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DNR and LC voiced their peace plan

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The authorities of the Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics voiced their peace plan, which involves not only a temporary cessation of hostilities, but also a ban on combat flights aviation over the territory of Donbass, report "Vesti".

DNR and LC voiced their peace plan


In addition, they suggested that OSCE monitors monitor the cease-fire and the situation in the conflict zone. To do this, it is necessary to divide the security zone into five sectors, each of which will contain a group of observers numbering up to 40 people, as well as stationary 3-4 and stationary 2-3 mobile observation posts with communications, surveillance and video recording.

The militias are ready for the cessation of hostilities if a detailed political settlement plan is signed today in Minsk. They also said that Ukraine should submit an official negotiator.

“We are still waiting for the decision of the question of who will represent the Ukrainian side, because it is important - whether it will be the ex-president of Ukraine Leonid Kuchma, or another official representative. Now we are trying to ensure that Ukraine finally introduces an official negotiator, ”the representative of the DPR said, noting that this should be a person“ who understands the situation and is endowed with a certain status. ”

In addition, the. The Minister of State Security of the DPR, a member of the negotiating group, Leonid Baranov, said that the Ukrainian troops must leave their territory.

“We must understand that“ withdrawal of artillery from cities ”, if we read between the lines, this is the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from the territory of the Donetsk region. Because the firing range of the "Hurricane" (MLRS - ed.) 35 kilometers. On the territory of the DNI there is no such place in 35 kilometers, where there would be no cities. If you move away from Donetsk, then you will stand under Gorlovka. Accordingly, to withdraw them from our cities means to withdraw them from the territory of the DPR. It suits us, ”he said.

The speaker of the All-Union Parliament of Novorossia, Oleg Tsarev, also said that the authorities of the DPR and the LPR hoped that Kiev would not use the truce to regroup.

“We want Kiev to provide something more substantial. After all, we have already passed through the fact that Poroshenko announced the cessation of hostilities, while all sorts of battalions that are funded by the oligarchs did not comply with this order. In addition, there was a rotation of troops. As a result, as soon as the truce was over, we lost Slavyansk, Ukrainian troops surrounded Lugansk, ”Tsarev said.
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  1. Roman1970
    Roman1970 5 September 2014 12: 07
    +24
    Withdraw all Ukrainian troops, definitely! This is the only way to arrange a truce! In the DNI, people are not stupid.
    1. Fuse
      Fuse 5 September 2014 12: 11
      +23
      Well, what kind of truce could there be if yesterday the deputy minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine publicly declared that the world would be used to regroup forces and further advance? I'm at a loss.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Andriuha077
          Andriuha077 5 September 2014 12: 41
          +7
          Quote: Paradoxov
          A truce is needed in order to


          youtube.com/watch?v=24lrs-zkGCU

          “The only difference is that we did not fall under the ideological machine of the West.
          We would now unite and act as a single march against the Kiev authorities.

          Which of those present was on the front line?
          The civilian community that has gathered here to solve the problems of the war turns out to be. there was no. It turns out that people who aspire to become governors, deputies of all kinds of supreme councils were not there, then what right do they have to nominate from these regions if they do not take any part in what is happening now - in the birth of New Russia?

          Anyone who wants to become a deputy, governor, or even some kind of bureaucrat, please be kind enough to gather in a special-purpose company that would show the people of New Russia that you really deserve to be governors and other parasites.

          Everyone who remains in civilian clothes and does not return to his homeland to seek the truth - we will not let you go.

          No matter how anyone would like, Novorossia will be with democracy... And no one other than those who are now shedding blood has no right to claim even the slightest bit of power in the new republic. "
          1. Rostov
            Rostov 5 September 2014 12: 53
            +3
            Seeing the success of the BCH, people began to return home
          2. nahalenok911
            nahalenok911 5 September 2014 13: 31
            +5
            I completely agree with Mozgov. If only the ideas of New Russia were turned upside down, greedy and unprincipled from business ...
      2. DMB-88
        DMB-88 5 September 2014 12: 34
        +7
        Quote: Fuse
        what will the world be used to regroup forces and further advance? I'm at a loss.


        This is a political game!
        Until the junta is destroyed, the war will not end and the outskirts will still be removed from Russia !!!
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 September 2014 13: 54
          +3
          Quote: DMB-88

          This is a political game!
          Until the junta is destroyed, the war will not end and the outskirts will still be removed from Russia !!!


          I completely agree +! There’s nothing to add !!! good
    2. stalfal
      stalfal 5 September 2014 12: 12
      +4
      To begin with the withdrawal of troops, then it is necessary to recognize New Russia as a state.
      1. VAF
        VAF 5 September 2014 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: stalfal
        To begin, withdraw troops


        It seems to be yes, but it doesn’t seem that after the withdrawal of the troops ... and they will remain the TROOPS .. only already rested, re-equipped and re-equipped? wassat

        Quote: stalfal
        then recognition of New Russia as a state is necessary


        Rather, cancer on the mountain will hang, unfortunately soldier
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 September 2014 12: 18
      +18
      Actually, Sparrow wrote in another topic already, but almost again. If you finish the warrior, then the people in Ukraine will think about the economy and their own empty pockets. They will start asking questions of authority, and this is not buzzing. The powder will promise a lot before the election, but it will not do . The truce for him is a respite for the military for revenge. The thug will not become a man.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 5 September 2014 13: 14
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A cease-fire for him is a respite for the military for revenge. The thug will not become a man.

        It will not be possible to maintain a formally united and peaceful Ukraine by any truce, this scumbag missed the only diplomatic chance - negotiations towards federalization .. The USA and Kiev went towards war, violence and Russophobia, which in fact led to what we see. It is no secret for the whole world that the collapse of Ukraine was not catalyzed by militias and Russia, but by Kiev (Maidan) and the United States.
      2. VAF
        VAF 5 September 2014 14: 04
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        then the people in Ukraine


        Sanya, hello! And you .. "got infected" .. the people of Ukraine wassat The people of Ukraine are the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, and quite a bit in the south. Right up to Odessa.
        Or the "Ugrian Hitler Youth" did not impress belay

        And now it is "people2 asks questions - where are the tanks. Grub and body armor and .. when will they seriously" kill "these .." terrorists "and Russian troops" wassat

        About "truce" absolutely in the subject good Moreover, there is already a "sad experience" of 2 months ago, as a result of which both Donetsk and Lugansk were surrounded, and how many were left and lost.

        I really hope that the leadership of the LPR and DPR have BRAINS and they know very well who they are dealing with !!!

        This is with us .. all partners, yes colleagues am
    4. opus
      opus 5 September 2014 12: 23
      +2
      Quote: Roman1970
      Withdraw all Ukrainian troops, definitely! This is the only way to arrange a truce!

      Everything, completely from Ukraine .... On the territory of Poland, for example, or Romania.
      Then, yes, neither the MLRS, nor the TBR will be reached.
      ==================
      let them dig a ditch mu Ukraine and Poland, Romania, Hungary, and so on
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 5 September 2014 12: 29
      +10
      Take it easy! Until Obama admits himself defeated, there will be no real withdrawal of troops. His last statement is provocative. He demands that Putin and Poroshenko sit at the negotiating table. Thus, it will give the whole world, as it were, an understanding of who was the real aggressor. Those. participant in the war with Ukraine. Only Obama can end the war, and even then on the terms of the militia. Will Obama want to "screw up" in front of the world community, admitting his defeat to some kind of "terrorists"? And who, then, will be responsible for forcing the EU to impose sanctions against Russia and the losses caused to Europe by this?
    6. Giant thought
      Giant thought 5 September 2014 12: 50
      +1
      Kiev again hopes to fool everyone with a truce and regroup its forces to conduct military operations from positions that are advantageous to itself.
    7. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 5 September 2014 13: 06
      0
      Quote: Roman1970
      Withdraw all Ukrainian troops, definitely! This is the only way to arrange a truce! In the DNI, people are not stupid.

      - From the territory of Ukraine!
  2. valday
    valday 5 September 2014 12: 08
    +6
    You can’t believe the words of the junta! We must be on our guard, once already deceived in the summer.
  3. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 5 September 2014 12: 09
    +30
    Draft act of the BKK
    1. Not served
      Not served 5 September 2014 12: 14
      +6
      It is also necessary to add about criminal liability under the norms of international law of all punishers who have committed war crimes and the extradition of justice to New Russia.
    2. GDP
      GDP 5 September 2014 12: 15
      +2
      Well, this act is, to say the least, frivolous:
      For New Russia, the maximum program is the withdrawal of troops from its territory. Only Ukraine is unlikely to go for it.
      But what you can really agree on:
      1. this is a mutual ban on the bombing of settlements from heavy weapons, MLRS and aviation
      2. Organization of Humanitarian Corridors
      3. Creating conditions for the restoration and functioning of infrastructure, educational and medical institutions ...

      It is unrealistic to simply end the war and remain in those positions in which it is unreal, even a temporary truce is dangerous. The old equipment will be repaired; a new one will be recruited; thousands of new recruits will be trained and Ukrainians will go on the attack, many times superior in strength - this is death for New Russia ...
    3. antiseledka
      antiseledka 5 September 2014 12: 17
      +1
      It looks like the Versailles peace ... After the end of the First World War, Germany was "offered" similar conditions. And where did this lead after 20 years?
  4. Russ69
    Russ69 5 September 2014 12: 09
    +7
    The withdrawal of ukrovermaht troops from the territory of the DNI and LC, the surest way to cease fire ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 September 2014 12: 13
      +4
      Quote: Russ69
      The withdrawal of ukrovermaht troops from the territory of the DNI and LC, the surest way to cease fire ...
      but not ending the war alas ...
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 5 September 2014 12: 39
        +4
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        but not ending the war alas ...

        I do not argue. But for this, peacekeepers or sane authorities in Klitschiev are needed, but it doesn’t exist. And no one will allow our peacekeepers to enter, although this would be the best way out.
  5. GDP
    GDP 5 September 2014 12: 11
    +4
    Only one option to withdraw nafig troops from the territory of the DNI and LC. Everything else is already a matter of compromise and discussion.
  6. antiseledka
    antiseledka 5 September 2014 12: 12
    +3
    Confession! It is necessary to recognize the DNI and LC as independent states from Kiev! Then and only then can one agree to something. Otherwise, it will be like the June truce.
    1. semmish
      semmish 5 September 2014 14: 28
      0
      To the very point. It’s a pity that there’s only one plus.
  7. Cadet787
    Cadet787 5 September 2014 12: 12
    +13
    05.09.2014 - 12: 02
    The militia defeated the main fortified area in Mariupol

    The militia defeated the main fortified area in Mariupol | Russian spring
    The main checkpoint of Ukrainian forces at the entrance to Mariupol was defeated at 8.00 Moscow time by militia forces. This is reported by eyewitnesses.
    According to them, the militia defeated the fortified area in Mariupol. The Azov militants who were preparing this fortification suffered losses and retreated deep into Mariupol.
    As reported in the headquarters of the army of "Novorossiya", over the past day, security forces near Mariupol lost about 50 people.
    This is confirmed by the Azov commander, who stated that there were sixty people left in the city with Azov personnel. They do not have heavy equipment.
    Nevertheless, eyewitnesses confirm that from 7.00 Moscow time in Mariupol in the Ilyichevsk region loud volleys are heard, either single heavy, or a series similar to the Grad installation.
    1. zzz
      zzz 5 September 2014 12: 38
      0
      Quote: Cadet787
      The militia defeated the main fortified area in Mariupol | Russian spring
      The main checkpoint of Ukrainian forces at the entrance to Mariupol was defeated at 8.00 Moscow time by militia forces. This is reported by eyewitnesses.


      Lord, help us before 15.00:XNUMX. press the junta a little more so that it would be easier to negotiate your demands in the negotiations!
    2. Mhpv
      Mhpv 5 September 2014 12: 42
      +1
      Ukrainian journalist Tatyana Chernovol enrolled in the punitive battalion "Azov", in which her husband Nikolai Berazava fought (killed in early August) .http: //www.ridus.ru/news/166766

      I went to "Azov" as a blowjob laughing or minershey, as right.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 September 2014 12: 48
        +5
        Quote: mhpv
        I went to "Azov" as a blowjob

        Yes, she’s terrible itit. By a deep drunk and then on a tricky lover laughing
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 5 September 2014 13: 05
          +1
          For dill in the trenches with cookies from Nulland pull
        2. VAF
          VAF 5 September 2014 14: 10
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .A deep drunk and then a tricky lover


          Sanya .. well, you are finicky. most importantly, that the head was flat (then the beer mug would not slide off) and the ears were large (very comfortable to hold) wassat

          God forgive me that I will send ... I even agree to the "yellow card", but ... I'm for objectivity wassat
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 September 2014 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            .. I even agree to the "yellow card", but .. I'm for objectivity

            Perverts you all laughing
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev 5 September 2014 16: 22
        0
        Quote: mhpv
        Ukrainian journalist Tatyana Chernovol enrolled in the punitive battalion "Azov", in which her husband Nikolai Berazava fought (killed in early August) .http: //www.ridus.ru/news/166766

        I went to "Azov" as a blowjob laughing or minershey, as right.

        No wonder she went, she feels the end of the RPG.
  8. Carlos
    Carlos 5 September 2014 12: 13
    -1
    Quote: Russ69
    The withdrawal of ukrovermaht troops from the territory of the DNI and LC, the surest way to cease fire ...

    They don’t pull on the Wehrmacht. But this is in our favor.
  9. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 5 September 2014 12: 15
    +2
    And how, after the armistice of the fascists, is it to be caught? Something I do not want to see them alive!
  10. killganoff
    killganoff 5 September 2014 12: 15
    +3
    Outskirts alone have a way out of this situation - the complete demilitarization of the entire territory under the control of kaklams. And only after these conditions are met can a dialogue begin with a dead end branch of the development of human-like monkeys.
    Or is someone else able to believe the NATO litter ???
  11. wladimir
    wladimir 5 September 2014 12: 15
    +6
    All is correct. the junta wants a break, if she gets it, she can rearm herself with US and European money, get additional mercenaries and mobilize her own forces. Having proposed peace now, the little pig, in anticipation of the onset of cold weather, gives a trump card to Europe in pressure on the Russian Federation on gas supplies.
  12. Loner_53
    Loner_53 5 September 2014 12: 16
    +5
    The speaker of the Union Parliament of New Russia Oleg Tsarev also said that the authorities of the DPR and LPR hope that Kiev will not use the ceasefire to to regroup forces.

    most likely it will, it’s impossible to believe them, they will throw it to her am
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 5 September 2014 16: 26
      0
      Quote: Loner_53
      The speaker of the Union Parliament of New Russia Oleg Tsarev also said that the authorities of the DPR and LPR hope that Kiev will not use the ceasefire to to regroup forces.

      most likely it will, it’s impossible to believe them, they will throw it to her am

      Tsarev is still wandering in the dark, it needs to be tougher. It would be better not to climb with the komentats of compromise. stop
  13. bmv04636
    bmv04636 5 September 2014 12: 17
    +5
    It seems to me that Mariupol should be attacked from the sea too
    1. killganoff
      killganoff 5 September 2014 12: 21
      +2
      I wonder how they will carry out the "sea" operation?
      1. zzz
        zzz 5 September 2014 12: 44
        +1
        the maximum depth of the Sea of ​​Azov is about 12 meters. So, only small ordinary maneuverable boats for walking.
        1. VAF
          VAF 5 September 2014 14: 13
          +2
          Quote: zzz
          the maximum depth of the Sea of ​​Azov is about 12 meters.


          This is only within the shipping channel, and so 3-5, well, MAXIMUM 7 meters wink
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 5 September 2014 16: 44
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            This is only within the shipping channel, and so 3-5, well, MAXIMUM 7 meters

            Sergey, hi ! not ... No. , in the central part of the sea 14,4 m. And off the southern coast - a steep underwater slope to the depths of 11-12 m.
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 5 September 2014 16: 49
              +2
              Quote: Tersky
              steep underwater slope to a depth of 11-12 m.

              Stop drowning enough laughing Vitya drinks
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 5 September 2014 16: 55
                +2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                Stop drowning enough

                And more than once! (He lived in Azov, I know ..) Ruslan, drinks !
  14. Dembel
    Dembel 5 September 2014 12: 18
    +2
    A temporary truce will again end with the same as the previous one. The airborne forces will be reinforced and regrouped. Then offensive again. I believe that only Kiev’s recognition of the Novorossiya branch can somehow resolve the conflict. All these negotiations are a show on both sides. I think that at this stage of the conflict, none of the parties wants a truce, therefore they put forward deliberately impossible requirements, and the negotiators on both sides do not have sufficient authority.
  15. sgazeev
    sgazeev 5 September 2014 12: 20
    +2
    According to Zhukovsky: "No negotiations, only complete surrender!" angry
  16. Iskander 090
    Iskander 090 5 September 2014 12: 22
    +2
    there will be no peace there yet. Americans do not need him
  17. Oleg NSK
    Oleg NSK 5 September 2014 12: 22
    +1
    who will represent the Ukrainian side


    Obama should represent the Ukrainian side ... whoever controls the country must represent it
  18. GRAY
    GRAY 5 September 2014 12: 23
    +3
    On behalf of the Senate and people of Rome, Emperor Caesar Augustus delivered a long-awaited speech to foreign ambassadors, unveiling a plan to conclude peace in Cisalpine Gaul, implying a halt to the unfolded offensive of the Roman Gaul army and the deployment of legions on the following conditions:

    - stop the raids on the position of the Romans;
    - stop shelling the settlements of the rebellious ombra of the inhabitants of Gaul from throwing guns;
    - provide Roman merchants with the opportunity to deliver food and clothing for soldiers and war-affected citizens;
    - ensure the safety of the envoys of Rome and other powers;
    - to freely exchange all prisoners of war and civilians captured in slavery, whether men, women or children;
    - not impede the intention of Rome to send fresh slaves to repair the broken roads of the province.

    The representatives of Hellas, Egypt, Antioch, councils of the tribes of the British Isles and the lands of Germany who heard the words of Rome supported Caesar, considering the conditions for concluding peace to be fair and reasonable, but can we know how the Umbras, led by the merchant Porselanuks, will behave, if the magnanimousness of the Romans will not accept the softness of the Romans and weakness? However, protect me from Juno’s mother from doubts about the emperor’s actions.

    Gallic nobles have not yet received an answer, but the elected proconsul of Roman Gaul Paulus Gubarian has already expressed the opinion that in the case of coercion of the Umbra to peace under the conditions of Caesar, it will be necessary to force new leaders to conduct a plebiscite in the whole southeast, according to which he lands that do not think of themselves as part of Gaul would be able to enter the Empire peacefully legally, and not by the will of the sword. On the sidelines of the imperial palace, it is interpreted that statements of this kind are somewhat hasty and suggest that Gubarian is a much better warrior than a politician. This, however, is natural in view of his youth and upbringing, far from metropolitan intrigues.
    http://legatus-pretor.livejournal.com/5787.html
  19. navara399
    navara399 5 September 2014 12: 23
    +1
    Truce need only ukram:
    -to stop the advance of the Armed Forces of New Russia;
    -that PARAShenko would remain in power.
  20. Starmos
    Starmos 5 September 2014 12: 24
    +2
    "Truce" in anticipation of Kiev deliveries of "lethal" weapons from amers and a tranche from NATO - this is generally how? Or is Novorossiya sure that Russia has some kind of "hyperboloid" or "tranclucator", and she will surely "spur" it on to them? You can't trust the enemy. Never. History, and even very recent, just screams about it ...
  21. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 5 September 2014 12: 25
    +2
    What is the truce after the NATO summit and the tranche received from the IMF, only to build up strength and arm themselves ???
  22. Altona
    Altona 5 September 2014 12: 26
    +1
    Yes, I also think that it is not necessary to let the fascist reptile crawl away ... To finish off these "onyzhedey", so that it was discouraging ... To finish off everyone who crawled into Novorossia, and let the rest hove behind the demilitarized zone, behind the "cordon plate" Yaytsenyukha ...
  23. Naval
    Naval 5 September 2014 12: 26
    +2
    Junta believe - do not respect yourself.
    They need to regroup, to tighten reserves and armaments begged to NATO.
    1. DartVerter
      DartVerter 5 September 2014 13: 31
      0
      Not a correct picture, he no longer has Crimea)
  24. Alexandr 2
    Alexandr 2 5 September 2014 12: 27
    +1
    There will be no truce on the part of Ukraine. It will be only in words.
  25. captain
    captain 5 September 2014 12: 32
    +3
    There will be no truce, there will be a resupply and regrouping of troops and another "decisive" strike. Otherwise Poroshenko (Valtsman) will be torn apart by ukrosvidomye. Benya Kolomoisky will not allow all his scams to be revealed, he understands that he will be undressed and undressed. VVP has already begun the process of dispossession of kulaks from Crimea and Moscow. Benya will not allow peace negotiations to take place, it is not profitable for him, everything will be revealed (theft of oil, deceiving soldiers-Nazis, selling fuel and lubricants and body armor at wild prices to the army ...) and then it will be necessary to repeat the fate of Berezovsky, but he will not. So the war will continue, maybe they won't shoot for a couple of days.
  26. Old-Party3AH
    Old-Party3AH 5 September 2014 12: 36
    +2
    As for the ceasefire, NATO allocated 15 lyam to the Offal, obviously not for cookies.
  27. sever.56
    sever.56 5 September 2014 12: 36
    +5
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/032/uswq162.jpg
  28. Valkh
    Valkh 5 September 2014 12: 40
    0
    Then, the next truce will probably be ... Near Lviv !!! bully
  29. ed65b
    ed65b 5 September 2014 12: 44
    0
    in what territory should dill troops remain? if in the territory of New Russia there is no offset.
  30. andrey56
    andrey56 5 September 2014 12: 45
    +1
    The Tsarev says and already believes that the junta will not fulfill the ceasefire condition. So, in vain to say, we must act! Since the junta repeatedly lied and violated the conditions - on this basis to stop ALL talk of a ceasefire, only complete withdrawal of troops on time. Only then will there be peace talks! Of course, Putin needs a PR action by a peacemaker. But no more than that. Novorossiys must declare their uncompromising position on the withdrawal of junta troops from the territory of New Russia. Only so! We can add about the inadmissibility of the transfer of junta troops to the combat zone as a condition of a ceasefire.
  31. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 5 September 2014 12: 54
    0
    DNR and LC voiced their peace plan
    And at this time, the best scientists of Ukroreich are working on the creation of weapons of retaliation:
    Ukrainian scientist proposed to produce fuel from plastic bags.

    The first phase of the installation will be put into operation in late September - early October, with a capacity of five tons of fuel per day, according to Vesti.ua.
    “So far, a complex will be presented that will produce only diesel fuel. But in full this installation will also produce gas, alcohol and even gasoline, ”said Maxim Tkachenko, representative of the project’s organization.
    “Any garbage that until now we all considered to be non-recyclable is suitable for installation: plastic bags of any kind, adhesive tape, disposable plastic dishes, polystyrene foam and even canisters from any petroleum products, for example, automobile oil. The thing is that with this technology the decomposition is so deep that all hydrocarbon components return to their original state, ”the authors of the project explained.

    Earlier, the leader of the movement “Ukrainian Choice” Viktor Medvedchuk warned that Ukrainian citizens are likely to survive the coming winter in unheated apartments

    PS It sounds symbolic: the movement "Ukrainian Choice" is to survive the winter in unheated apartments.
  32. Sergius1977
    Sergius1977 5 September 2014 12: 55
    +2
    All this stupidity (ceasefire). Gubarev correctly said that Novorossia should be liberated from Lugansk to Odessa.
  33. zum3112
    zum3112 5 September 2014 13: 04
    +1
    it is impossible to agree on anything with "current" Kiev in principle. For Russia it may be important now, but for the militia it is a very big question. On the other hand, taking Mariupol without casualties among the civilian population is practically UNREALABLE. And to allow sacrifices means setting up the whole south and east of Ukraine is against itself. Good luck and brains of the DPR and LPR, because the current situation can be shaken in one direction or the other
  34. Maks-80
    Maks-80 5 September 2014 13: 19
    +1
    I hope that the negotiations will fail and the militias will continue to drive the junta from their territories.
  35. volot-voin
    volot-voin 5 September 2014 13: 27
    +1
    Quote: Roman1970
    Withdraw all Ukrainian troops, definitely! This is the only way to arrange a truce! In the DNI, people are not stupid.

    Let’s let the dill regroup and grow stronger, then NATO will throw them equipment with ammunition. Something I don't like is a truce.
  36. provincial
    provincial 5 September 2014 13: 35
    +1
    “Kiev will not use the ceasefire to regroup its forces."
  37. sm00vik
    sm00vik 5 September 2014 13: 39
    +1
    More like a rescue plan ukrovoyak.
  38. sgr291158
    sgr291158 5 September 2014 13: 53
    +1
    Oh you can't believe them. They will rest, regroup and trample again. But then they will say that the militia did not fulfill the conditions for a ceasefire.
  39. v245721
    v245721 5 September 2014 14: 19
    0
    Ukrainians have no faith. and peace with them does not wake. the best world is the capture of Mariupol and Zaporozhye. and the connection with the Crimea. The Sea of ​​Azov is the security of Novorossia. And do not feed yourself with illusions.
  40. MSA
    MSA 5 September 2014 14: 37
    0
    If a truce, then only on the conditions of the Donbass, in another way they already passed, it’s enough to pour the blood of civilians, if they don’t want a full-fledged truce, let them remain forever in memory, so that the rest would not be harassed ...
  41. semmish
    semmish 5 September 2014 14: 43
    +1
    Oh, I feel that these negotiations will not end in good. Well, the GDP does not want to see New Russia independent. The same Russia will have to restore it. So they are looking for ways to Ukraine to hang this load. Nothing personal just business. And how you want to be optimistic.
  42. Roust
    Roust 6 September 2014 06: 51
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    Give CHAOS in Kiev! .... Piglets execute their own pravoseki ....
  43. serg6231
    serg6231 6 September 2014 17: 23
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    Ukrainian troops will leave the Donbass. It doesn’t matter if Poroshenko wants this or not. It is just a matter of time.
    if they don’t want then with a load of 200 and 300