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The Last Hateman Argument

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Freedom Party proposes to restore Ukraine’s nuclear status

The reason for the appearance of the scandalous project was the loss of the Crimea. The radicals from “Freedom” curse the “traitors of the nation”, who trusted the guarantor states, which, as now comes to the ukropatriots, took the nuclear warheads from the country, and did not vouch for its territorial integrity.

The Latin dictum of Ultima Ratio Regum was first widely used in the Thirty Years War, when Cardinal Richelieu ordered this phrase to be cast on gun barrels, meaning not the last resort to solve the problem, but the last word of the king, which should put an end to the conflict.

Somewhat later, on the orders of the Prussian emperor Frederick II, a slightly modified inscription was applied to all the guns of his army: Ultima ratio regis, already without diplomatic conventions, asserting gunpowder and lead as the last argument.

The twentieth century brought both the royal and democratic arguments to its highest point - the nuclear weapons, which could be the last not only figuratively, but also in the literal sense. A state that joined the "club" of the same holders of deadly missiles could count on a greater understanding of their needs and problems from both individual powers and the international community as a whole. The example of North Korea, Israel, Pakistan, and India, which became owners of nuclear warheads against the wishes of the rest of the world, confirms the importance of the “last argument” in implementing independent policies both within the country and in the global arena.

From this point of view, the collapse of the USSR was the moment of the collapse of nuclear ambitions (if any) for Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine. The status of a nuclear power remained with the Russian Federation. The rest, already former "nuclear" republics of the USSR, passed the corresponding disarmament procedure. The warheads that appeared on the territory of the newly created states were withdrawn and transported to the Russian Federation or disposed of on the spot. The same fate befell the means of delivery and launchers.

In 1994, Ukraine acceded to the NPT as a non-nuclear state. However, despite the voluntary rejection of weapons of mass destruction, the question of the possibility of renewing nuclear status was periodically raised in radical political circles. Until recently, there were no convincing pretexts, but in the current situation the nationalists finally found a trump card that they would try to play for the world community. Perhaps the international community will not be shocked by this. Perhaps it will even bless the “nuclear club” in the hands of the Kiev regime with the condition that it will be applied only in one direction.

Certificate of merit instead of profits

After not playing the “Malaysian ace” - the deliberate destruction of a Malaysian Airlines plane - and failed to present the Russian Federation as a sponsor of “terrorism”, the radicals from the Verkhovna Rada decided to blackmail Russia from the other side. A draft resolution on the renewal of the nuclear status of a state is registered in the Ukrainian parliament.

The Last Hateman ArgumentThe document is registered on the 20-th year since Ukraine abandoned nuclear weapons. This decision, as it turned out, continues to cast a shadow on the current domestic and foreign policy of the country. Ukraine assumed the corresponding obligations in November of 1994, when, after several years of intense internal discussions and international negotiations, the Verkhovna Rada ratified the Non-Proliferation Treaty. Without going into the nuances of disputes at the start of 90's, it should be noted that by the time of making fundamental decisions, three consensus positions had formed in the country regarding the conditions for complete and fastest possible nuclear disarmament, as demanded by the USA, Europe and Russia. These were as follows: 1) obtaining security guarantees; 2) external funding for the elimination of nuclear warheads, delivery systems and infrastructure; 3) obtaining substantial compensation for fissile materials contained in tactical and strategic weapons located on the territory of Ukraine.

All items were formally executed. In the autumn of 1994, official members of the “nuclear club” —RF, USA, UK, France, and PRC — signed the Budapest Memorandum, sheets of paper with well-written text entitled “guarantees” in the Ukrainian translation (although diplomats and experts were well aware that assurance “Reassurance”). The signatories guaranteed the security of Ukraine in the face of a threat of military invasion of the state.

In June, the last 1996 strategic missile warheads were removed to Russia (tactical nuclear weapons were removed by the 1992 summer). By the year 1998 received compensation for fissile materials. By the beginning of the 2000-s, with the help of the USA, the delivery systems and infrastructure of the nuclear forces were eliminated.

In this regard, it can be noted that the “hetmanat” never received “live” money for the destruction of the arsenal. The money according to the American Nunn-Lugar program was used in accordance with the transatlantic understanding of the “joint threat reduction” that did not necessarily coincide with the Ukrainian one. Assistance has never been provided in the form of grants and loans, but only in the form of services, equipment, logistics and subcontracts. For the sake of justice, it is worth remembering that Kiev received substantial compensation for fissile materials from Moscow. And that would be impossible without the US-Russian contract for the conversion of highly enriched uranium. By the way, such a program for the Russian Federation is in effect and is unlikely to be suspended even if “sectoral sanctions” are imposed.

According to unofficial estimates by US military experts, military planning measures to counter the threat that Ukrainian nuclear ammunition posed to the US demanded from 10 to 30 billions of dollars annually. Russia, according to the statements of 90’s start, was ready to liquidate this arsenal for two to three billion dollars allocated by the Americans, to mutual pleasure. Kiev experts talked about 1,5 billion dollars to do it yourself. The United States managed a considerably more modest sum, acting primarily on its own. The Ukrainian authorities, in general, did not receive any special “geshefts”, which they apparently counted on. Moreover, part of the “joint” threat reduction program has become a headache for the Ukrainian authorities. At the Pavlograd Chemical Plant, the fuel stages of the RS-19 “Scalpel” MBR are still stored, which must be disposed of. Pragmatic Americans refused to finance a project for the conversion of solid rocket fuel and offered to simply burn it. The Ukrainian side refused this option, and the project fell on the shoulders of the state budget. So instead of the expected profits from disarmament, Kiev received only a “certificate of honor” in the form of praises from the United States and the European Union for the deliberate choice of a nuclear-free status.

True, the multi-vector nature of Ukrainian politics was not slow in affecting this seemingly long-resolved issue. Despite the fact that the statement on nuclear-free status was contained even in the Declaration of Independence of the country and was confirmed by the Verkhovna Rada's decree of 24 of October 1991, Kravchuk already in 1994 was bargaining with the Americans, vytsybyvany not only billions, but also guarantees from the US that America will view the attack on Ukraine as an attack on itself. Kravchuk personally broke Clinton. The result was the Trilateral Statement of Ukraine, Russia and the United States, signed in Moscow on 14 on January 1994 of the year, which seemed to solve the problem: the last Soviet warhead was removed in July on 1996.

For a long time, the “nuclear baton” for protection against the “curse of the Muscovites” has become the traditional fantasy of a part of the Ukrainian political. Patriots lamented the erroneousness of abandoning nuclear weapons in the period of aggravated political relations with Russia. It all boiled down to the fact that if then the "traitors of the nation" did not give the missiles to the "Moskals", now we would be afraid and respected. True, discussions of this kind were constantly repulsed by representatives of the overseas "regional committee". They reminded local politicians how the world applauded Ukraine for the conscious rejection of nuclear weapons, and offered to continue to be proud of their choice.

The logic of the terrorist

After the "enforcement of peace" Saakashvili in August 2008 for the time being there were no people willing to start a military conflict near the Russian borders. In 2014, followers of the US-Georgian strategist finally proved themselves to be among right-wing Ukrainian politicians.

The Svoboda Party has always been justifiably reproached for playing along with the Nazi ideology. Recently, a group of people's representatives from this organization proposed for the consideration of the deputy corps a document restoring the nuclear status of Ukraine. The initiators are the people's deputies Oleksiy Kayda, the deputy head of the faction of the All-Ukrainian Association “Freedom”, and his “partaigenossen” Oleksiy Furman, as well as members of the party - Markiyan Lopachak, Ruslan Martsinkiv, Anatoly Vitiv, Oleg Osuhovsky and Igor Sabiy. The draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada on the renewal by Ukraine of the status of a nuclear power was registered on July 23.

The reason for the appearance of this scandalous document was, of course, the loss of the Crimea. Ukraine itself was not able to keep the peninsula in the state, relying on the “formidable” western partners and the Budapest Memorandum. To this agreement, the Ukrainian parliamentarians are still appealing.

To approve claims for nuclear status, right-wing radicals condescendingly give Russia full 10 days to stop “acts of aggression”, “return the temporarily occupied territory of Ukraine”, otherwise the other participating countries are obliged to “provide adequate military assistance.”

According to the authors of the document, such obligations derive, inter alia, from the status of the Russian Federation as a guarantor state, which 5 of December 1994 of the year signed the Budapest Memorandum. If the signatories do not carry out the necessary, in the opinion of the people's deputies of Freedom, the procedure begins to withdraw from the NPT, and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine is obliged to immediately adopt a state program for the country’s resumption of nuclear power status as the only effective mechanism to deter aggression from the Russian Federation and start relevant development. The accompanying note explains that the financial and economic justification does not require additional costs from the state budget and changes in other laws of Ukraine.

The “annexation” of Crimea and the financing of “terrorism” by Russia, according to the logic of the Svoboda, stem from its status as a state possessing an arsenal of nuclear weapons and, on the other hand, the absence of such status and weapons in Ukraine, which would be deterrent and sufficient to prevent acts of aggression. Currently, there is a high likelihood of the project’s “support” by the deputies. If the adoption of the law requires 226 votes, then the decision is enough 150.

Western partners of Ukraine have always strictly followed that even thoughts about the possibility of restoring the nuclear potential in the republic did not arise in the heads of Ukrainian politicians. As soon as the discussion rose to a more or less serious level, US official representatives did not forget to recall the impossibility of restoring a nuclear arsenal in the territory of the former USSR republic. But this time, the pause of Western partners was too long. Maybe they will not be so categorically against this time?

If Ukraine in the person of the Verkhovna Rada regains its nuclear status, the problem will develop further in the diplomatic and technical fields. From the first there is no complete clarity. It seems to be a blatant violation by the state of its own voluntary decision. Probably, there is a long discussion about how to resolve a legal conflict: the signatory of an international treaty refused to observe its nuclear-free status.

From a technical point of view, the problem of restoring nuclear potential, on the one hand, is solved, on the other - traditionally requires costs. And the state is leading the ATO. Here it is right to explode, but either defeat the terrorists, or come closer to the status of a terrorist state with a “nuclear club”.

Suppose Kiev chooses to restore a nuclear arsenal. Moreover, the affairs of the pro-government forces in the east of Ukraine are moving towards defeat.

If you take care of the “nuclear baton” handicraft, you need materials for warheads, delivery systems and specialists who will do all this at the expense of the state budget. As for the scope, even here the last maydanschik knows where to target the missiles. The main thing is to fly, good, not very far.

Ukraine has all the scientific and technological capabilities to create its own bombs. In extreme cases, you can pretend that you have mastered yourself, but in reality it will be a small “lend-lease”. It is even more profitable, because arms control remains with the one who helped the Kiev regime with it. Especially since it will probably be about the number of charges not more than 10 units. The maintenance of nuclear weapons is expensive, but even for this individual international players can allocate the necessary finances.

The remains of weapons-grade uranium, which was stored at the Kharkov Scientific Research Institute for scientific work, were transferred to the US by the “gangster” Yanukovych back in 2012 year. Actually, after this, the process of European integration accelerated sharply. But at the same time, the cursory president actually deprived the patriots of a chance to quickly, in a couple of months, to rivet the nuclear warhead “To Moscow!”.

There are no carriers in Ukraine either. Theoretically, they can be ordered at Yuzhmash. Or, to get from the arsenals the decommissioned ballistic missiles "Tochka-U" and try to hang a nuclear warhead on them.

In late July, the American media "highlighted" the incomprehensible history with the launch by the Ukrainian military of short-range ballistic missiles (presumably "Point-U"), which Saur-Grave was trying to fire at, strategic heights. The speakers of the official Kiev traditionally deny this possibility. So, the “Martians” shoot - neither the rebels nor the Russian troops have such an “artifact” as the old Soviet “Point” ...

Kiev’s denial of obvious things indicates the absence of any moral restrictions in the civil war. “Grad” civilians are bombarded daily, why not use weapons of mass destruction? After all, the end justifies the means.

And in this regard, the process of revising the decision on the nuclear-free status of Ukraine acquires a completely different dimension. Kiev is already the third month ruthlessly exterminating its own citizens with the complete non-interference of the so-called democratic world - the European Union and the United States. Innocent people are dying from artillery shelling, but even the UN pretends that nothing happens in the Donbas. The world community is not at all worried about the extermination of the population in the regime of total violation of basic human rights. Why then should Kiev not shoot at the neighboring territories with nuclear warheads? After all, Russia is unlikely to use nuclear weapons in response. And the United States cannot but support the struggle of the Poroshenko regime with the eastern “aggressor”.

In the current political situation, the games of the Ukrainian patriots in the “nuclear state” are only innocent in appearance. Kiev has already felt complete impunity for the punitive operation in the Donbas, so the possibility of using a new class of weapons in this civil war is acquiring an ominous reality.

If Ukraine regains its nuclear status and tries to acquire at least tactical missiles, there is no doubt which way they will be turned. Donetsk and Lugansk regions in the high Kiev offices have already prepared a sweep to the last civilian, and some of the environmental threats and other humanitarian nonsense in the form of responsibility for the lives of people and the future of the country are not worried about the current Hetman. After all, if anything, they will live in London (Washington, Riga, Warsaw).

In general, in the task of drawing Russia into an exchange of nuclear strikes or to inflict maximum damage on the border areas of the Russian Federation, coupled with the Donbas, everything depends only on the required time for this decision. The rest neither Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Turchynov, nor the radicals from “Freedom” by itself does not bother at all, because they will not get anything for it anyway. Neither censure, nor punishment, nor the sanctions of the Nazis do not bother at all, especially since they do not intend to answer for anything.
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  1. volot-voin
    volot-voin 29 August 2014 14: 08
    +7
    Agony in full swing. It seems that if the militias do not hang the junta in Kiev, then they would choke on their own poison earlier.
    A cheerful cow, God did not give a horn, but nuclear weapons to Ukraine.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 29 August 2014 14: 21
      +8
      Quote: volot-voin
      Agony in full swing.


      WELL WHY ... THE STATUS OF THE NUCLEAR POWER THEY ALREADY RECEIVED ... THERE WERE PLANTED THE NUCLEAR TOMBLE IN CHERNOBYL ... AND UNDER THE OPEN SKY .... THAN NOT THE NUCLEAR POWER STAND ... IF IT ALREADY SO SUCH AS ... FULL
    2. SS68SS
      SS68SS 29 August 2014 14: 22
      +2
      Quote: volot-voin
      Freedom Party proposes to restore Ukraine’s nuclear status


      wassat
      Quickly drive to the market and buy a couple of kilos of enriched uranium ...
      Or refuel the missiles with "working off" ... wassat


      Brain, where are you ??????? Ahhhh, of course, he left in an unknown direction .... FOREVER ...
      1. Eragon
        Eragon 29 August 2014 14: 33
        +2
        Quote: SS68SS
        Quickly drive to the market and buy a couple of kilos of enriched uranium ...

        Why bazaar ?? I fully support the desire of the Svobodovites. I propose that Russia immediately, as a presentation, present one nuclear missile. With delivery on their own. To the center of Kiev. If you like it, let's continue.
      2. avg
        avg 29 August 2014 16: 30
        +1
        Quote: SS68SS
        Quote: volot-voin
        Freedom Party proposes to restore Ukraine’s nuclear status

        In this case, famine and cold weather dill is provided. Moreover, the first Poles hide all their apples.
    3. bda
      bda 29 August 2014 14: 30
      +1
      Until we have the courage to eliminate this ukro-Bandera project, all this Ukro-Bandera, in any case, remains only a not very effective executor of the will of the United States.
      It depends on the United States whether Ukro-Banderia will regain its nuclear status or not. Whether it applies a vigorous bomb (against continental Russia, against the Crimea, against the DPR and LPR) or not depends on the USA too.
      The persistence of the Americans in pushing the current authorities in Kiev to begin bloodshed in the Southeast suggests that the likelihood of such a scenario is quite high.
      It cannot be ruled out that the United States itself will provide the Bandera supporters with either some tactical nuclear weapons (so that Russia does not fly farther), or with something like a powerful "dirty bomb" - to arrange a second Chernobyl for us, and to sit out overseas - this is their style.
      1. DV69
        DV69 29 August 2014 14: 50
        0
        Quote: bda
        Until we have the courage to eliminate this ukro-Bandera project, all this Ukro-Bandera, in any case, remains only a not very effective executor of the will of the United States.
        It depends on the United States whether Ukro-Banderia will regain its nuclear status or not. Whether it applies a vigorous bomb (against continental Russia, against the Crimea, against the DPR and LPR) or not depends on the USA too.
        The persistence of the Americans in pushing the current authorities in Kiev to begin bloodshed in the Southeast suggests that the likelihood of such a scenario is quite high.
        It cannot be ruled out that the United States itself will provide the Bandera supporters with either some tactical nuclear weapons (so that Russia does not fly farther), or with something like a powerful "dirty bomb" - to arrange a second Chernobyl for us, and to sit out overseas - this is their style.


        That is unlikely. America is afraid that we will also deliver some kind of nuclear supply to them.
      2. diver1977
        diver1977 29 August 2014 14: 55
        +6
        Quote: bda

        From a technical point of view, the problem of restoring nuclear potential, on the one hand, is solvable, on the other hand, it traditionally requires costs.
        Suppose Kiev chooses to restore a nuclear arsenal. Moreover, the affairs of the pro-government forces in the east of Ukraine are moving towards defeat.

        If you take care of the “nuclear baton” handicraft, you need materials for warheads, delivery systems and specialists who will do all this at the expense of the state budget. As for the scope, even here the last maydanschik knows where to target the missiles. The main thing is to fly, good, not very far.

        As soon as there is information about the start of work to recreate the nuclear potential of a hostile neighboring state, Russia will be forced, without any warnings and sanctions, without the permission of the Security Council, without notice, to deliver a preemptive strike that will cast off this bright prospect decades ago.
        It will be necessary to bomb rocket science, scientific institutions in the Stone Age and begin targeted shooting of nuclear scientists. That is, to do everything that the United States did on Iran’s nuclear program.
        1. Vadim12
          Vadim12 29 August 2014 16: 26
          +1
          I completely agree. the author went a bit over: he did not describe the possible actions of Russia in the article, as if the Kremlin would be stupid to watch how the Nazis are trying to manufacture or acquire nuclear weapons. Most likely, there will be a preemptive strike without looking at the amers and their sixes, so that their hands do not itch.
    4. falcon
      falcon 29 August 2014 15: 12
      +3
      "History repeats itself twice - first as a tragedy,
      the second time in the form of a farce "(c) In this regard, I recall
      the end of World War 2, when a certain possessed person,
      trying to delay the inevitable collapse to the last
      talked about the "miracle weapon". Did not help.
      Current followers in Ukraine also talked about
      "miracle weapons". Means pressed hard. Means collapse
      close.
    5. andj61
      andj61 29 August 2014 15: 21
      +2
      Quote: volot-voin
      A cheerful cow, God did not give a horn, but nuclear weapons to Ukraine.

      And let them try to make it themselves.
    6. Giant thought
      Giant thought 29 August 2014 16: 26
      +1
      Ukraine will not have time to acquire nuclear weapons again, it’s just that Russia will not allow this, and militiamen can take Kiev by this time.
    7. Homo
      Homo 29 August 2014 17: 19
      0
      Quote: volot-voin
      Agony in full swing. It seems that if the militias do not hang the junta in Kiev, then they would choke on their own poison earlier.

      First, they propose to abandon outside the bloc status, then return nuclear weapons and in the end adopt the act of joining the United States!
    8. Evilcat
      Evilcat 29 August 2014 22: 34
      0
      Yes, you just don’t know the situation. Still worse. A couple of years ago, the news flashed that there was no money for gas in the Yellow Water ambulance stations.
      Nominally. In the city in which the only ones the country has uranium mines, there is no gasoline for the city communal apartment. And people continue to wipe the brains of the people.
  2. Snake831
    Snake831 29 August 2014 14: 08
    +2
    Aha! Puppeteers will be delighted! A monkey with a grenade is safer!
    1. nils
      nils 29 August 2014 14: 20
      +1
      In the current political situation, the games of Ukrainian patriots in the "nuclear power" are only seemingly innocent.

      Fools are mad, know, not all are outweighed.
      Give the fool a glass of horseradish - he will break the horseradish and cut his hands ...
      Fools in one would be knocked down a jamb, but with a whip shepherd to put.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 29 August 2014 14: 31
      +4
      Quote: Snake831
      A monkey with a grenade is safer!

      That's right!
      But the article is incompetent ...
      "Ukraine will regain its nuclear status" "Ukraine has all the scientific and technological capabilities to create its own bomb."
      Yes, Ukrainian leaders cannot even fart without the permission of their overseas masters, but here: "will return the nuclear status"!
      And what has Ukraine ever developed or produced nuclear munitions?
      Or, for over 23 years, the high-tech industry has not spread rot?
      Is there any extra money? Or is there pre-default? what
      In theories and reasoning, everything is simple.
      Yes, the Ukrainian nuclear center will be hit even earlier than Svidomo wise men come up with something.
    3. Predator
      Predator 29 August 2014 14: 40
      +2
      Quote: Snake831
      Aha! Puppeteers will be delighted! A monkey with a grenade is safer!

      Remember the Iranian nuclear program ?! And what did Israel do about this ?! If they decide to go to the creation of nuclear weapons, then we will have no choice how to grind into powder everything and everyone where it can be done and who can do it. Yes, and then it will be completely give a damn about all the adopted and any future sanctions and take Ukraine under control. Those. to carry out an operation such as "Earthquake in Ukraine". The life of millions of Russians is the most precious thing.
    4. Serzh73
      Serzh73 29 August 2014 14: 46
      +4
      Yes, if the monkey would be, or worse ...
    5. insafufa
      insafufa 29 August 2014 15: 03
      +1
      And why is a monkey a grenade so better than a bamboo club so that they would not inadvertently be thrown into the owner lol
  3. Interface
    Interface 29 August 2014 14: 09
    +1
    Yes, that's all.

    Where will they produce this good?
    1. saag
      saag 29 August 2014 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: Interface
      Where will they produce this good?

      Previously in the Yellow Waters did
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 29 August 2014 14: 52
        +1
        Previously, in the Yellow Waters they did ...
        .... There are uranium ores and no more ... hi
      2. cap54
        cap54 29 August 2014 17: 17
        0
        And now they’re only doing YELLOW VODVIKA, but only in their pants !!!
  4. PeaceByForce
    PeaceByForce 29 August 2014 14: 09
    +1
    It seems that it will not do without us, we will have to finish off the beast in its lair - Washington.
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 29 August 2014 14: 09
    +3
    So, instead of the expected profits from disarmament, Kiev received only a "certificate of honor" in the form of praises from the United States and the European Union for the conscious choice of a nuclear-free status.

    Obuli heh heh Aborigines on shiny beads cunning Anglo-Saxons ... well, fools history does not teach anything.
    1. volot-voin
      volot-voin 29 August 2014 14: 17
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Obuli heh heh Aborigines on shiny beads cunning Anglo-Saxons ... well, fools history does not teach anything.

      Can you imagine if you hadn’t been shod? Post-Maidan Ukraine and nuclear weapons, especially after the statements of the lady with a scythe.
      Most zapadentsev shod with Maidan and promises of European integration. So Ukraine does not need nuclear weapons in FIG, such a burden on the economy, and no one threatened them before the Maidan.
  6. andas
    andas 29 August 2014 14: 13
    +1
    Some kind of crap. in the center of Europe is a new nuclear state. fool
    1. DMB-88
      DMB-88 29 August 2014 14: 33
      +2
      The rabid Natsiks consider the outskirts to be the "greatest" state in the world, which needs nuclear weapons as an attribute of "greatness"! Laughter and more! I often visited the Crimea even before the reunification, and in particular in Sevastopol, and saw a completely ugly picture of the "Ukrainian fleet", which was rusting without owner at the "wall"! No kaklam, no weapons at all can be trusted!
      The outskirts need to be made a completely DEMILITARIZED ZONE !!!!
  7. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 29 August 2014 14: 14
    +2
    As given and taken away. They did not develop and produce it. Let them try it for themselves.
  8. Vreonosec
    Vreonosec 29 August 2014 14: 14
    +1
    You can’t trust such a wry-armed with such a weapon! Do not blast yourself outright!
  9. igor1981
    igor1981 29 August 2014 14: 14
    +3
    They will have nothing to eat tomorrow, but they are thinking about nuclear weapons. What can I say - morality grows stronger.
  10. rugor
    rugor 29 August 2014 14: 15
    +4
    What other nuclear weapons? At ukrov in the army typhus began! The country is rapidly rushing into the Stone Age!
  11. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 29 August 2014 14: 15
    +2
    "Neither blame, nor punishment, nor sanctions bother the Nazis at all, especially since they do not intend to be responsible for anything."

    If they use nuclear weapons, I think they will be quickly destroyed. However, they will be destroyed even with the clear intention of using it.
  12. iner
    iner 29 August 2014 14: 16
    +3
    Ukraine should be glad that it was deprived of nuclear weapons. There is no money for its maintenance, and with the lack of care that has been going on and going on, it’s even scary to imagine what this could lead to. Neither Ukraine nor Europe. And in other parts of the world, these warheads would have lit up, given the corrupt officials.
  13. priest58
    priest58 29 August 2014 14: 17
    0
    Dumb PR. nowhere to produce and no one
    and they won’t.
  14. Name
    Name 29 August 2014 14: 20
    +1
    Oh, how happy that: In June of the 1996, the last warheads of strategic missile systems were exported to Russia (tactical nuclear weapons were withdrawn by the summer of the 1992)...After all, with those who are without gray matter in Kiev it’s really useless to REAL talk.
  15. afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 29 August 2014 14: 23
    0
    trouble ohlov that they always consider themselves the smartest and most cunning, and life puts everything in its place, but success as they yell about nuclear weapons, they can dream about the hyperboloid of engineer Garin
  16. Loner_53
    Loner_53 29 August 2014 14: 24
    0
    Once again, which I do not remember, I want to advise kaklam "to eat fly agarics, if not lard, then at least burdocks" and what they do not blather is nonsense mixed with glitches smile
  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda 29 August 2014 14: 28
    +2
    Dreaming for dill is bad
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 29 August 2014 14: 32
    0
    For complete happiness, the World did not have enough u-cropia as a nuclear power. If it had not been taken out in due time, it is possible that today Europe would be radioactive.
  19. GHOST29RUS
    GHOST29RUS 29 August 2014 14: 40
    0
    Dill will kill themselves if they have nuclear weapons
  20. volot-voin
    volot-voin 29 August 2014 14: 45
    0
    Quote: Eragon
    I propose that Russia immediately, as a presentation, present one nuclear missile. With delivery on their own. To the center of Kiev. If you like it, let's continue.

    That is, you yourself propose to bomb the Russian land with the help of nuclear weapons? Maybe the rebellious regions in the 90s, like Chechnya, had to be bombed? Or the Kremlin in Moscow in the 90s, when he was a bunch of traitors ?.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 29 August 2014 14: 49
      +2
      Do not scold the person, he is on emotions.
  21. G-iv
    G-iv 29 August 2014 14: 46
    +1
    There is only one conclusion - to wet it to the end ...
  22. muhomor
    muhomor 29 August 2014 14: 51
    +1
    Not a damn thing will come of it! The Americans are well aware that if something happens, Belarus and Kazakhstan will immediately abandon their nuclear-free status!
  23. Djozz
    Djozz 29 August 2014 14: 57
    +4
    They write on the Censor that we will solve this problem at a time, we will take a thousand centrifuges on lease, and in three months we will make a bomb! Tremble M.O. Only ktozh them D.O.Loeboe will give them!
    1. Loner_53
      Loner_53 29 August 2014 15: 25
      +1
      You +++ chucked heartily laughing
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 August 2014 15: 23
    +1
    They have where to get nuclear materials. They do not have enrichment technology, as well as a fast neutron reactor for producing plutonium. Literate engineers probably still remained. All the same, not North Korea.
    But they will not do it quickly, and for a long time they have no future. Therefore, let them scare, we are not afraid.
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 29 August 2014 21: 59
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      Uhhhh! North Korea has already conducted nuclear tests. So it is dill that needs to be caught up with them, Korea has long been ahead!
  25. Loner_53
    Loner_53 29 August 2014 15: 23
    +1
    Good game STALKR wink smile
  26. yumis1
    yumis1 29 August 2014 15: 33
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    Yes of course! As soon as they start really tinkering with the EU mattresses themselves tear this territory into specific principalities. What for they are so inadequate with nuclear weapons ... Russia will not even have to strain.
  27. Vend
    Vend 29 August 2014 15: 49
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    The decision to exclude Ukraine from the nuclear powers turned out to be correct. If there were still missiles, then there would already be Hiroshima on the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk. Just look at how they "fight" - a typical American strategy.
  28. HU YOUR
    HU YOUR 29 August 2014 15: 52
    +1
    Quote: diver1977
    It will be necessary to bomb rocket science and scientific institutions in the Stone Age and begin targeted shooting of nuclear scientists.

    I support! Very correct thought. It is necessary to play in advance. good
  29. Naval
    Naval 29 August 2014 16: 04
    +1
    In the case of the start of the nuclear program of Ukropia, Russia, following the example of Israel, will be able to strike at nuclear centers and centrifuges and thereby stop the restoration of the nuclear status of the Maidanutis at the root. We have the right to a preemptive strike against a threat to our state.
  30. Starmos
    Starmos 29 August 2014 16: 13
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    Nazism must be destroyed. Physically.
  31. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 29 August 2014 16: 17
    +1
    It is necessary to make sure that there is no Ukraine. The question will be decided by itself. As they say: there is a country, there are problems, there is no country, there is no problem.
  32. Glavspez
    Glavspez 29 August 2014 17: 54
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    AT POINT them F big and thick X.
  33. Galan
    Galan 29 August 2014 20: 03
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    “The rest does not bother Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Turchinov, or of course the radicals from Svoboda, because they will not get anything for it anyway. Neither censure, nor punishment, nor sanctions of the Nazis bother at all ...”.
    These "Galician Papuans" cannot be trusted even with ordinary weapons, in Donbass they have already proved this by abandoning all more or less modern weapons they have on the battlefields, and here they are nuclear weapons. No, this is nonsense, it is necessary to leave the Galicians only wooden Maidan batons and plywood shields and issue the so-called. army of Ukraine their only the day before the parades of the independence day.
  34. Alfizik
    Alfizik 29 August 2014 22: 50
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    Yeah, nuclear Nazi Ukraine is a monkey with a grenade. It is hoped that the special services are on the alert.
  35. Cristall
    Cristall 30 August 2014 10: 13
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    Well, actually, nuclear status is like a gun for an ordinary citizen - it seems like you need it, but it costs money and requires constant attention and responsibility on it. The citizen himself becomes different ... His weapon makes it more branched.
    Ukraine can do something "nuclear".
    You can generally use the "services of partners" like Israel
    Bombing a nuclear center like Israel needs US sanction..RF will not go into this matter.
    But I would advise you not to chase the wunderfaff like Hitler .... After all, the nationalists are shaking expensive weapons so that the Russian Federation "does not attack" but then they themselves claim that it has already attacked. But the armor is not enough. There are not enough tactical missiles. It is better to load Yuzhmash with orders for tactical. Ask for a UAV from partners. Try to destroy "terrorists" like the United States in AFGHAN (because the peaceful people are shot here and there, but there are fewer losses for the civilian) It would be if I were in the place of Kiev.
    A lot of things could be done and not shocked by the bill in the HIT! ... paper can be rubbed against how the RF was rubbed by the Budapest memorandum. How the United States and England faked them ..
  36. special
    special 30 August 2014 11: 13
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    Quote: Homo
    Quote: volot-voin
    Agony in full swing. It seems that if the militias do not hang the junta in Kiev, then they would choke on their own poison earlier.

    First, they propose to abandon outside the bloc status, then return nuclear weapons and in the end adopt the act of joining the United States!

    They asked the USA? USA vs !!!! drinks laughing