Is the army recovering or continues to deteriorate? Poll

In principle, it is clear to all that the army is in crisis, it has been going on for two decades now. The question is: is the Russian army reborn or continues to deteriorate? Very difficult question. There are facts that speak about the ongoing processes of decomposition of the army, but there are opinions that the army is gradually being strengthened. Consider the facts of both sides.

Degradation continues

- In fact, according to a number of military experts, the only defense of the Russian Federation is its nuclear nuclear missile shield. Without it, Russia would have already shared the fate of Serbia, they would have started rejecting the suburbs from it, by force indicating what to do. But, the state of the Strategic Missile Forces is almost critical: new missiles come into service with only a few units a year, the old ICBMs have developed their resource and even the extension of duty periods, does not make them eternal - the question arises, what part of the missiles will be able to perform their task if necessary and what percentage can not.

- The issue is degrading the army, or is being restored, is intimately connected with another important issue - does the Russian people continue to die out and degrade, or are there the first shoots of the recovery processes ?! The army can not be separate from society to be combat-ready. If the society and the elite of the country is healthy, healthy and the army. AT stories Rus-Russia-USSR, we can note the fact that our army is most victorious at a time when the interests of the elite and the people coincide, since our army has always been popular. These are the periods of government - the first Rurikovich (Rurik-Oleg-Igor-Svyatoslav), Moscow princes engaged in collecting Russian lands, fighting various occupiers, the most oriented to the Russian people of the Romanovs. In this regard, the matter is quite bad: the people have been degrading for several decades, and the “elite”, which degenerated by the end of the Soviet period, now needs Stalinist purges and draconian measures. Therefore, the combat capability of the army is dubious, it will fulfill the task, but the losses will be great, and the victory will be betrayed, by the actions of the "elitarians" is an example of the First Chechen War. It is difficult to count the war with Georgia for the war, as there was actually a border sabotage, in order to check the Russian army and the government - will they intervene or not? There is an opinion that Moscow was forced to “respond” and take responsibility only after the independent actions of a number of commanders of the Armed Forces. If the Russian ruler were in Moscow, the Georgian “elite” built roads in permafrost conditions, and the Tbilisi region would be part of the Russian Federation. And the whole world would have “eaten” this, since the law of force and Will rules in the world.

- Discussions about the GPV (State Arms Program) program from 2011 to 2020 are another chatter and air shock - such as “modernization”, “innovation”, “nanotechnology”, etc. This is a chatter of reality, a bluff before the election - “they say “We should stand the day, and the night hold out.” This is also confirmed by the statement of the former general designer of the Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, the developer of "Bulava", academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Yuri Solomonov, the program is already failing, as the previous program from 2007 was disrupted. “The results are visible in its first year: the 2011 state order has already been disrupted, it will not be completed. Due to the fact that to date, not a single contract, if we talk about strategic nuclear forces, has been concluded. It's July. And this has not happened in the past 14 years, ”said Y. Solomonov. In a few years it will become obvious that the program has failed again, part of the money has been stolen, just like during the repair of the Peter the Great cruiser. The chief military prosecutor’s office of the Russian Federation reported the fact that in the North navy Theft of 265 million rubles allocated for the repair of the Peter the Great heavy nuclear missile cruiser was discovered. The criminal case of fraud by the military prosecutor’s office was instituted against the director general of Zvezdochka Special Industrial and Technical Base CJSC F. Barashko.

- The purchase of lots of foreign weapons and technology, says about two facts: 1) the degradation of the domestic military industrial complex, which can no longer provide the army with all the necessary nomenclature; 2) the reluctance of the Russian leadership to restore its military-industrial complex, making it autonomous. As a result, the Russian army becomes dependent on the supply of spare parts, armor, electronics, we will possibly ships, artillery, small weapons, ammunition, armored vehicles. And this is a very dangerous factor - the military-technological security of the state. We can recall the sad results of the First World War, when in 1915, the British broke the order for shells and rifles, with the inability of Russian factories to quickly increase their production. This caused "shell and rifle hunger", a series of terrible defeats, heavy losses in personnel that could be reduced, with a normal supply of the army.

- The deterioration of relations with Minsk could lead to a sharp deterioration of the situation in the western strategic direction. In addition, there is the likelihood of a “color revolution” in Belarus, it will be a serious blow to the national security of the Russian Federation.

- According to the statements of our Minister of Defense and a number of other senior military officers, the Russian Federation does not need either aircraft carriers or new Tanks, Russian armored vehicles, which are quite solid and meet international standards, are called "obsolete." Although it is obvious that powerful ground forces and armored units are the basis of the state’s defense capability, as the example of Israel proves. And aircraft carriers and aircraft carrier strike groups are necessary for the world to see that Russia is reborn and is ready to defend its interests anywhere in the World Ocean.

Rebirth has begun

- The entry into the troops began, while small, but lots of new weapons, although it must be admitted that almost all of these weapons were developed in the Soviet Union. And if it were not for the 1991 year, it would have been in service not with individual copies, or with separate units (like a regiment with C-400), but with the whole army. That is, the process has begun.

- There is a program to re-equip the Armed Forces before 2020, which will create the core of the new fleet, re-equip, upgrade the Air Force, Air Defense-PRO, Land Forces. In the rearmament of the Armed Forces will go huge amounts, which was not since Soviet times.

- Reduction of warheads in the Strategic Missile Forces do not pose a threat to the Russian Federation, in the same China there are several dozen ICBMs and no one attacks them. A hundred, another "Topol" guarantee complete security of the Russian Federation.

- Reduction of the army, its optimization, translation to Western standards (including military education) do not pose a threat to the national security of the Russian Federation. Large-scale wars are a thing of the past - in 21 centuries, wars and conflicts will be transient (which does not require the mobilization of the whole country, its militarization, huge stocks of weapons and ammunition), therefore, permanent readiness brigades armed with modern weapons will be enough to solve current problems. The example of NATO shows that almost all Western powers are on the path of reducing personnel, heavy weapons, the abolition of the mass, draft army. At the same time, armies become compact, highly mobile, professional, with a high degree of saturation with the latest communication and control systems, turning into a single organism. The role of high-tech types and types of troops is increasing dramatically - Air Force, Navy, Air Force, Air Defense and Missile Defense.

- Russia won the second Chechen war, in the 2008 war of the year, concluded an agreement with Armenia and the presence of the Russian military base until 2044, sharply strengthening its geopolitical positions in the Caucasus. In addition, Russian military bases have been established in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The Black Sea Fleet is being built with new combat surface and submarine ships, which will restore our military-strategic positions in the Black Sea region. The Caspian Flotilla will be significantly strengthened.

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Comments

[Goldy]

what's so bad?

[Artemka]

No, if we had a bad army or if it hadn’t existed, we would have been killed, captured and plundered the country long ago, turning it into a raw materials appendage of the West.

[Siberian]

At least in the infantry-mother there is nothing special to rejoice about.

[danilatrg]

My brother served 9 years in the Russian army. When the liver refused to withstand the burden of constant binge in part and fatal inaction, he quit and began to work in the factory. About 10 years have passed. Now he is submitting documents for restoration, as now, even in his previous position, he will be able to receive 2 times more without special allowances. In addition, exercises are constantly underway in the unit, strengthening tasks are being carried out.

All this is about one of the land units in the Chelyabinsk region.

For Moscow, salaries are still low. But for all of Russia, the difference is already noticeable. Not so bad.

[merkawa]

The army is not quite all right (to put it mildly) since the Afghan war, and then the country fell apart (and the people and army are united) and what do you want

[Siberian]

From binge and inaction can be bent in any army. The main thing is to decide why are you going there? If you stupidly cut grandmothers - this is one thing, and if you protect the homeland, then this is completely different. For example, I served in the Armed Forces for 30 years, of which 20 in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation - the liver is in place and is working properly.

[MichaelVl]

Well said, Siberian!
"The main thing in life is to decide where you belong and what kind of bird you are," and then everything will immediately fall into place and life will seem brighter.

[Sokerin]

“Fox News military analyst, retired Lieutenant General Robert Skales, spoke bluntly about this:“ Russia simply no longer has the military as such. ”

Russian bear leaning under furniture seller
(Fox News, USA)

http://www.inosmi.ru/army/20110128/166039514.html

[DAGESTAN333]

By the right time, the Russian army was always ready in principle.
Just to prevent civil strife.

[volodjachess]

The authorities do not have an understanding of where we are going and there is no understanding of why the army is needed.

[datur]

volodjachess, what understanding if they only have kickbacks and money in their heads?

[Max]

There can be no talk of a strong and modern army, because, as the author correctly noted, a healthy and strong society is the key to a strong army ... And when 21% of Russians want to leave the cordon as soon as possible, then think about a healthy society yourself ...
http://tyzhden.ua/News/26710

[Stiffmaister]

It’s just that we Russians do not have a single goal, which is why a certain degradation is taking place. This is what distinguishes us from the West, that the whole people need one goal, and the West lives by individuality. We need an ideology, this is the goal. And a wise ruler, then everything will be fine: 1) the rapid restoration of the army in 20 years, like China 2) economic growth 3) positive population growth, etc.
But in the USSR, by the 80s, the army also began to become obsolete, then the principles of hazing, the illegal sale of weapons, alcoholism of officers, etc. began to develop. If the USSR was now preserved, then it would fall to its lot the same as now, but all because of the officials who settled in the top authorities who run the country.

[mitrich]

The author is well done, reflected both the arguments "for" and "against".
On my own behalf, I would like to note that the army at the stage of reforming is always a weak army. However, the fact that the reform began not in words, but in deeds is a gratifying fact for me. The time of fronts, trenches hundreds of kilometers in the past. Future wars (if we exclude the possibility of an exchange of nuclear missile strikes, but then this is all, the "cover" not only for Russia, and for the entire world civilization) - regional wars with the use of strong air forces and RBR (rapid reaction forces).
We do not need 5 million military personnel and army groups from Kaliningrad to Vladivostok, which in fact consist of cropped divisions, we do not need so many military universities. The wars in Chechnya have clearly demonstrated these shortcomings.
What is the stated goal of military reform? To ensure the possibility of Russia's one-time participation in 3 (maximum) regional conflicts, like the Chechen one, to renew the fleet of air force and air defense vehicles, and to build new ships. Why we won’t do this, if I think objectively, I won’t put my mind (I don’t take into account the opinions of different trolls).
I signed up for the item "the beginning of the revival", meaning that I agree with the reform of the army. For a long time it was necessary to do this, otherwise they only started trying since 1991. We are, of course, the strongest, it was impossible to look at our poor conscripts in Chechnya, especially in the first campaign, without tears. The form should complement the content, I hope you understand what I mean.

[Don]

Slowly but surely, the RA is reborn. It is impossible to reach the level of the USSR, but this is not necessary in modern conditions. A new cold war is not needed. The main thing now is to modernize and replace obsolete equipment (which is being done), and the continuous buildup of armed forces leads to huge costs that Russia will not be able to bear right now. A phrase: A aircraft carriers and aircraft carrier-strike groups are necessary for the world to see - Russia is reborn and ready to defend its interests anywhere in the World Ocean - it’s amazing. It’s enough to do window dressing. First you need to clean up your house before you swim through the whole balloon, bomb other countries. Secondly, Admiral Kuznetsov and Peter the Great (for example) with escort ships are now able to protect Russia's interests anywhere in the World Ocean.

[Eric]

- Reduction of the army, its optimization, translation to Western standards (including military education) do not pose a threat to the national security of the Russian Federation. Large-scale wars are a thing of the past - in 21 centuries, wars and conflicts will be transient (which does not require the mobilization of the whole country, its militarization, huge stocks of weapons and ammunition), therefore, permanent readiness brigades armed with modern weapons will be enough to solve current problems. The example of NATO shows that almost all Western powers are on the path of reducing personnel, heavy weapons, the abolition of the mass, draft army. At the same time, armies become compact, highly mobile, professional, with a high degree of saturation with the latest communication and control systems, turning into a single organism. The role of high-tech types and types of troops is increasing dramatically - Air Force, Navy, Air Force, Air Defense and Missile Defense.

Ha ha! :) 21 The century is the century of socialism as well as the century of GLOBAL redivision. What is one Arctic shelf worth? And where is the fleeting war !?

[spirit]

Everything is cyclical. Moscow 3rd Rome, I would pay attention on the place of leadership how 2 other Romes finished. Especially Byzantium in the last years of its existence, the richest country, but mired in corruption and having the richest elite in the Mediterranean, who used the services of foreign mercenaries (this is me for the purchase of weapons), and what did it end with? They took the Turks without much difficulty. it was an interesting period of history, something that reminds me of

[Frost]

Their crusaders first betrayed, and only then the Turks arrived in time ...

[Victor]

Good, balanced article. And the reviews are basically the same balanced and honest. I believe that the beginning of the reform and rebirth has been laid. Now the main thing is not to be guessed at the most inopportune moment. Recently I told one young officer how they sat in the 90s without pay for half a year, how they threw themselves off on a solarium in order to drive, etc. You should have seen his eyes at five cents and a mouth the width of a butt. I did not believe it at first. Therefore, of course, the army began to revive.

[figwam]

Since the beginning of the 90s, the degradation of the army has slowed.
We cannot stand a serious conflict, but it can happen.

[slan]

For me, the indicator is that the best flight schools in Volgograd and Tambov have been destroyed. The remains were transferred to Armavir, read f * enya. And this at the very time when aviation has shown its dominant role in modern conflicts. And they spent it not in the "dashing 90s" but in the prime of Putin's reign. Now, while unsuccessfully, the landing troops are trying to disperse ..

[916-th]

Solidarity with Slan about Kacha, he studied there once ... What do we have left from the strong schools of IA? Yeisk?

[petor41]

A muddy article! They say everything bad in the present tense, but everything good in the future, which is not a fact that will come!

[cVM]

The army is in poor condition but is being modernized very much, it’s very pleasing, I assure you, we are strong right now but still feed the soldiers badly, in the barracks you don’t just have to serve but sometimes have a rest, (soldiers are resting in Tsahal, soldiers in Switzerland can do everything practically USA, Germany) we need ours if the soldiers are allowed to return home. + It would be nice if the army was reduced, I didn’t fight at all, and no one would fight us. You could even send them to the reserve

[- = 999 = -]

Do we have an army?

[Owl]

What is a "goyushnik" soldier, I see from the neighbors (part of the air defense), but what will happen when in the Army in key positions there are miscarriages of Russian military education (not patriots, dropouts, trained only for stupid execution of orders of the "supreme commander") about it's scary to even try to think. Such an "officer", by order, will permit the passage of 20-50 C-5 or C-17 transports into the "Vnuchok" or "Sheremugu" to deliver the "blue helmets" called by the "leader" to guard Russian nuclear weapons.

[sergkyrsant]

I agree with most of the above, but I would also like to add to everything that a large share of the destruction and degradation of our "Russian" society fell on the States. After all, it is they who have been our main rival for many decades, it is from there that these programs are poured to destroy Russian ideology, culture, mentality, the future generation ... Look at our children, generations brought up after the 90th year ... What is happening to them now!? Continuous debauchery and bl ** t, alcoholism, drug addiction, etc. What kind of future of our army can we talk about ??? The human factor has always been, is and will be the main one in any respect. So what awaits us? hard question with all + and -

[radicaled]

OOOOOOO yes !!!!!!!!

Looking at your comments, you want to laugh and cry.
Is it really only our country that is capable of obscuring its state.
reform of the armed forces so it is necessary to become famous for the fact that we will spoil everything. and say that we will fail even though the current has begun
we build ships so they are shit for us, and if we build it is not enough.
airplanes so they are crap too and we need others.
damn yes you loshara I will say one thing.
Instead of discussing something, first try to do something yourself.
Go out to the street to gather a crowd rasherachte Rublevka besiege the Kremlin, no matter what, but try to excuse me, but Stalin wanted two things a strong country and strength to lead it. I like you and Yeltsin and the hunchback and I admit that if I had the opportunity to kill them to hell but no, I just couldn’t. I was born when they had already done all this. I would like to be born in the early 80s and show them all my mother Kuskin but I can’t. I was born in the 90s, I went to school when the war in Chechnya began and I mourned the fact that we had to fight against our brotherly peoples.
I hate nationalists because it is because of them that we are slowing down in some way. Now I live both in Kazakhstan and in Russia at the same time and I see one thing that needs to come together is to go out and not just sit in front of the monitor and make a smart face.
I repeat that it was good, we need to do it ourselves ourselves and not say that everything is bad and that we want better now is not the time when there were heroes who, after listening to folk nagging, ran to save them. There is no one except us so draw conclusions. We can draw current ourselves make a good future for himself and no one else Putin will rule another 10-15 years and then what. Nehera. I believe Putin and I hope he can do everything he said, but the question is whether we want it !!!!!!!!!!!!!