Evaluation of armor protection of the tank Leopard 2A0-A4

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Protection of everything tank can be described from three points of view:

Physical thickness of armor;
Integrity of armor protection and weak zones for the tank in 0-30 degrees from the longitudinal axis;
Know the characteristics of special armor and its capabilities in order to protect against armor-piercing and cumulative ammunition.

It is important to note that the tank Leopard-2 was born as a child of many compromises and some solutions are currently considered not very successful. They were developed in 70-s of the last century in order to achieve better fire power (placing the main sight EMES-15 in the gap between the frontal armor units in order to simplify the installation of optics and thermal imaging camera in the main sight) or achieve better maintainability and maintainability. For example, a huge armored gun was designed to replace the entire gun on the battlefield without removing it from the chassis.

In the 80s and 90s, when some of the solutions in Leopard-2A4 turned out to be wrong regarding armor protection (against the promising Soviet anti-tank weapons), the KWS program began and a deep modernization of the tank was developed to the level of 2A5, where the most serious problems of reservation integrity were solved (or improved).

1) Physical thickness of tank armor:

Evaluation of armor protection of the tank Leopard 2A0-A4

Armored cannon zone

The Leopard-2A4 armor mask has a thickness of mm 420 (42 cm) and it consists of several layers. Its mass is 620 kg. After the armor is placed hinged cannon frame (in German terminology wedge), which is made of lightweight alloy of large thickness. This frame is “girded” with thick metal sheets that form the armored roof and the bottom of the tower. The sides of the turret are covered with thick sheets of rolled homogeneous armor (RHA), in which there are thick rods (axes) for attaching the gun and the mask of the gun at one point in the turret.


The whole area looks like this.

In fact, the entire layout of armor in the armor zone consists of:
420 mm armor block + light alloy hinged frame 240 mm thick + sheets of rolled homogeneous armor 80 thick and (mainly) 230 mm. Thanks to this solution, the entire armored gun zone is well protected from armor-piercing and cumulative ammunition, in contrast to the previous solution, which did not withstand 3BM15 projectiles or earlier BK-15. The armored helmet of the Leopard-2A4 cannon withstood the main armament of the BMP-1, the 2A28 of the Thunder with cumulative projectiles, and Mutyuk's ballast.




Reservations on the left side of the tower (charging)

The physical thickness of the frontal armor on the charging side is incredible (for the 70-x end) - 860 mm. The back sheet (armor plate ends with a special recess) is made of a sheet of rolled homogeneous armor 60 mm thick of high hardness steel; front sheet, possibly of the same thickness. Between them there is a groove (approximately 740 mm) for a special armored module. This special armor module can be quickly replaced by trimming the top (roof) sheet and replacing the entire module. A similar process took place in 1991 year on M1 Abrams tanks, it took about 30 mines for one module (one box with a special armor module inside).

Such a large thickness was necessary due to the special features of the booking, known as Burlington, a lot of space is needed for this type of reservation. The 860 mm was the thickest in the world until the tank M80A1 entered service at the end of the 1s.


Right side of the tower (commander and gunner)

The tank commander is protected by armor 660 mm thick, armor of such thickness is installed right in front of his face. Currently, this zone (behind the EMES-15 main sight) is considered a weak zone, but that was enough for the 80-s. Armor 660 mm thick was rarely found on most tanks of the time (with the exception of M1 Abrams). But due to the use of heavier armor components it was possible to achieve a similar level of protection for the left side of the tower (from the loader).

The thickness of the armor of the turret in front of the shooter is the same as on the left side of the 860 mm tower, but with a different layout: the first recess in the armor for EMES-15 and the second for WBG-X. Therefore, the total thickness is close to 1100 mm (110 cm) including this groove.


Boca towers in the habitable area

The sides of the tower’s habitable compartment are protected by armor 310 mm thick, that is, for 30 degrees from the longitudinal axis of the tower, this gives almost 620 mm; this was a big magnitude in 80-e years. Currently, these numbers seem to be insufficient and therefore Leopard-2A5 has NERA dynamic protection modules installed on the sides of the tower, and almost all the available upgrades to Leopard-2A4 consist of installing additional modules in order to obtain a higher level of protection for this zone, but the total thickness in this place doubles.


Turret turret

The entire tower turret behind the habitable compartment is protected only by simple rolled homogeneous armor. This decision was made in order to reduce weight. This is the weakest zone in the entire Leopard-2, and this cannot be fixed even now. This is partly determined by the tactical assignment of the tank, since it fights with the enemy in front of him. But at the present time, the entire Leopard 2 turret turn into non-conventional combat operations turns into a significant drawback that only active defense complexes (for example, Thrush, Trophy or AMAP-ADS) can fix.

The Leopard-2A4 tournaments (of course, with the expelling panel) are closed with armor 80 mm thick, that is, for 30 degrees the thickness is 160 mm. The turret of the rear tower is covered with a plate of homogeneous steel with a thickness of just 25 mm:


Tower roof reservation

The roof of the Leopard-2A4 tower is divided along the periscope line of the PERI loader. The frontal part of the roof is made, possibly (the author is not sure), from rolled homogeneous armor 70 mm thick inclined at 7 degrees, which gives the thickness 580 mm. This was (as is the case with a sloping frontal hull sheet) more than enough in 80's. But the second part, perhaps, has a thickness of just 30 mm. This part was really vulnerable to small-caliber artillery shells and cluster munitions, and it was seriously improved by upgrading the Leopard-2 as part of the KWS program.

Frontal Armor

Frontal armor of the hull is protected by a special armor module with a thickness of 640 mm. Only in its lower part, it has a smaller thickness of about 400 mm. This thickness is more than enough for the 80-s, but in 90-s, the entire modernization of Leopard-2 consisted (except for German tanks) in installing additional NERA armor to protect the frontal armor of the hull.

The upper sloping sheet 40 mm thick has an angle of inclination 7 degrees (320 mm homogeneous armor). This inclination of high-hardness sheets was more than enough in the 80s. In this case, armor-piercing sub-caliber ammunition and cumulative projectiles ricochetti. But the emergence of long-core armor-piercing shells in 90 and progress in HEAT cumulative munitions forced developers to close this zone on almost all modernized Leopard-2 tanks (with the exception of the German ones) with thick NERA modules (Leopard-2A5DK, Strv.XXNXXKM 122A2E / HEL, etc.).


Driver's hatch thickness 30 mm

Its design was not perfect, the hatch was vulnerable to 30-mm projectiles and anti-tank warheads, and therefore this element in the Leopard-2A5 tank was completely redesigned. The driver's hatch is the second weakest spot of the Leopard-2 tank.

Hull sides

The sides of the hull Leopard-2A4 consist of three thicknesses (!).
On the right side, the driver has a sheet (zone near the hatch) with a rolled homogeneous harrow 80 mm thick, but only there.
The thickness of the body above the habitable compartment is 50 mm, in the vicinity of the 25 mm suspension.
The hull feed is protected by 25 mm sheets of rolled homogeneous armor.

It is important to note that the Leopard-2A4 is protected by spaced armor consisting of: an external sheet 25 mm thick, a fuel tank about 580 mm thick and the body armor 50 mm thick.

According to the developers of the Israeli tank Merkava 70 mm fuel equal armor sheet thickness 10 mm. That is, 580 mm of fuel work (against HEAT cumulative projectile) as an armor sheet with a thickness of 80 mm. This solution was the best for tilting in 30 degrees, it allows you to have enough layers and enough space to stop the RPG-7 grenades.


Under the fuel tank, the flanks of the Leopard-2A4 are protected by body armor with a thickness of 50 mm and lightweight side screens with a thickness of 12 mm


The striker in the housing is protected from the sides not only by a sheet with a thickness of just 50 mm, but also with heavy bulletproof screens with a thickness of 110 mm

Each module weighs more than 110 kg and consists of two 50-mm sheets of rolled homogeneous armor separated by an air gap.
So, the side protection under the top track line is 100-mm sheets RHA + clearance + 50-mm side sheet.

For 30 degrees, this gives RHA sheets 200 mm thick + clearance + 100-mm side sheet. These sheets of high-strength armor steel were enough at the end of the 70-ies to stop most light anti-tank shells and old artillery shells.

At present, such protection is not enough and almost the entire modernization of the leopard-2 regarding the conduct of asymmetrical combat operations consists of new, much thicker bulletproof screens almost along the entire length of the hull sides.

Physical thickness of armor in general


Integrity of armor protection and location of weak zones for a tank for 0-30 degrees from the longitudinal axis

For the Leopard-2A4, armor integrity is a secondary factor. Firepower, mobility, maintainability and maintainability were the absolute priorities for developers. Many of the solutions for Leopard-2 are given as examples of weak points or poor integrity (continuity) of armor.

The most frequently mentioned disadvantages include:
Very large armored cannon
Armor block behind EMES-15 main sight
The lack of special armor on the turret turret

In fact, ONLY the last example can be called a really weak point, but only for the sides or 15-30 degrees from the longitudinal axis. The developers of Leopard-2 stopped at this solution in order to reduce weight.

The armor block behind the EMES-15 main sight cannot be called the weak link for the 80-s. Why? Because the thickness in this place is 660 mm, which is exactly equal to the thickness of the frontal armor of most 80-x tanks:

In T-64A and T-64B tanks, the frontal armor thickness of the turret is maximum 485 - 496 mm (source: http://btvt.narod.ru/raznoe/bulat-leo2.files/image011.jpg) this is less than armor 660 mm thick .
In T-80B, frontal armor thickness is between 560 and 640 mm (for 30 degrees 530 mm)
In the case of the T-80 tank, the turret armor thickness is mainly 600 mm (source: http://btvt.narod.ru/raznoe/bulat-leo2.files/image011.jpg http://btvt.narod.ru/4 /bars_leopard/80-1.jpg)
Which is again less.

The frontal armor of the T-72B ranges from 600 to 750 mm, for 30 degrees it is 600 - 680 mm, which is almost equal to the thickness of 660 mm in the Leopard-2 tank.

For this reason, the 660 mm armor unit thickness for the Leopard-2A4 tank is not a weak point compared to the 500 - 600 - 680 mm values ​​for Soviet tanks.

But in the 80 and 90, new ATGMs and armor-piercing sabot shells became available, and new improved towers appeared on Soviet tanks (object.187, object.478BE, etc.). Then it became clear that this zone is indeed a serious drawback. For this reason, the frontal armor has been completely replaced under the KWS program, and now the armor on the left and right sides has the same thickness (~ 860 mm).

The armored tank gun of the Leopard-2 tank is 93 cm wide, which is comparable to the size of the armor of most Soviet tanks. This value for them is approximately 83 - 86, see. Therefore, both of these values ​​for Western and Soviet tanks can be compared.


For these reasons, the 80-x and the beginning of the 90-ies (before the advent of 478BE and 188A1 objects) weaknesses for the tank Leopard-2A4 and most Soviet tanks were comparable


Weak zones can be compared in the figure.

Of course, in comparison with the T-XNUMHUD, the Leopard-80A2 tank seems to have much worse performance.


In fact, the Leopard-2A4 tower can be comparable in both aspects: armor integrity, weak zones and hazards (ammunition, oil pumps, etc.) in the picture.

Third aspect. Know the characteristics of special armor and its capabilities in order to protect against armor-piercing and cumulative ammunition

In the case of special armor, we do not know the details. Thanks to the research of Paweł Przeździecki in the UK, we can describe some common features of Burlington-type armor:

British armor was manufactured as a sort of “bulkhead armor” with gaps between the layers; as a sandwich - two thin steel sheets and between them a non-metallic layer.
In its configuration of the 60 / 70 turn-over, the Burlington armor versus a cumulative warhead was 2-3 times better than monolithic steel armor of the same mass and had similar resistance to armor-piercing shells.
The mass efficiency of new booking options (Burlington - multilayer) increased 1,3 - 1,5 times against armor-piercing cores and more than 3 times against cumulative projectiles.



Translation part of 1:
In the second half of the 70-s began to pay more attention to protection against kinetic ammunition. "Biscuits" (Burlington - multilayer), designed for the tank Chieftain mk 5 / 2, could stop 105-mm armor-piercing projectile from virtually zero distance or 120-mm armor-piercing from a distance 1200 - 1300 meters. In the US 1975, “Americanized” armor was successfully tested against 152-mm armor-piercing XM578 subcaliber ammunition and cumulative projectiles (unnamed caliber), which were typical 80's ammunition. A more difficult task was the fight against modern sub-caliber ammunition. During the tripartite testing of weapons (Great Britain, West Germany, USA), one sub-caliber projectile was shot from the German 120-mm smoothbore gun, it pierced Cobham-type armor at a speed simulating an 6000 hit. The heavier armor version, however, was pierced from a distance of all 200 m.


Translation part of 2:
Later, the designers were able to increase the modules' armor resistance. At the beginning of the 70-ies it was reported: “All the technical problems regarding armor, namely resistance to multiple attacks, were overcome. For example, the first module in the front of the case withstood: 9 cumulative attacks (including 5 caliber 152 mm and 4 caliber 127 mm). The second (Burlington - Multilayer module) stopped the 120 mm projectile with a crushable HESH headpiece, followed by multiple blows of cumulative 127-mm projectiles. The third module (Burlington - multilayer) "survived" 3 armor-piercing projectile caliber 105 mm and after this attack (more than two) cumulative projectiles caliber 127 mm. " In July, the 1970 of the Year Biscuit No. 4 (Burlington) with the front sheet of the rolled homogenous armor 50 mm thick resist multiple hits: 105-mm projectile with "zero distance" warhead 152 mm Shillelagh, two cumulative diameter 152 mm and finally, 120-mm armor-piercing with a distance 1300 m. The ability to withstand multiple attacks has become an important characteristic of Burlington armor.


The above information is the latest information about the Burlington armor. In the case of the Leopard-2A4 tank, we can assume or evaluate armor protection.

There are several methods for assessing armor protection, and most of them give similar results in two groups of options (worst and best); the average between both variants gives the following results:

For the tower:
thickness 860-760-620 mm without tilt
(front of the tower, front of the tower for 30 degrees, sides of the tower for 30 degrees)

against armor-piercing subcaliber (in mm rolled homogeneous armor - RHA)
570-510-410 mm

against cumulative HEAT (in mm RHA)
910-810-640 mm

housing for thickness 640 mm without tilt:
about 500 mm against armor-piercing sabot and about 700 mm against cumulative HEAT

Such values ​​should be comparable to the level of 80's ammunition:
Armor penetration is achievable (D) on 2000 m; armor penetration guaranteed (D) on 2000
For typical armor-piercing shells:
3BM-26: L: 440 mm D: ~ 400 mm
3BM-29: L: 450 mm D: ~ 410 mm
3BM-32: L: 500 mm D: ~ 460 mm
3BM-42: L: 460 mm D: ~ 430 mm

and for typical cumulative (HEAT) shells:
9М111М (1983) armor penetration 600 mm RHA;
9М120 (1985) armor penetration 800 mm RAH;
9M128 (1985) 650 mm RHA armor penetration,
9M119M Invar (1992?) 700-750 mm RHA armor penetration
Cornet (1993) 1100 mm RHA armor penetration,

As you can see, in theory, booking a Leopard-2A4 tank was good enough for the 80-s, at least the front of the tower and the hull. This is all estimated for a distance of approximately 1000 meters. On the other hand, Soviet tanks, protected by the heavy dynamic defense of Kontakt-5, were a serious opponent for Western tanks.

Based on materials from the site btvt.narod.ru
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  1. Khalmamed
    +2
    8 July 2014 09: 18
    ..... the leopard then turns up.
    1. Ujin61
      +7
      8 July 2014 12: 00
      There are no invulnerable tanks.
      1. +1
        9 July 2014 08: 06
        Let's see, see, until Armata 10 months are left.
    2. 0
      9 July 2014 01: 57
      Wow, great article! Thank!
    3. 0
      9 July 2014 21: 02
      Article plus. Cognitive. I would like NATO countries similar in terms of the main tanks and, first of all, according to the M1 Abrams, indicating the most vulnerable spots and arrows of the type as during the Second World War "Hit with a shell, hit with a Grenade, hit with a bottle." Only relying on modern realities: Bey from an RPG, from an ATGM, etc.
  2. +8
    8 July 2014 09: 25
    In general, interesting and informative, but the terminology ...
    Tournament, damn it! In Russian, this is the feed niche of the tower!
    And I would like to know how the Burlington armor differs from the Chobham armor.
    1. +2
      8 July 2014 12: 54
      and how is chobham different from a multilayer? I somehow realized that type chobham works well both from BOPS and KS, but emnip it depends on the filler.
  3. +2
    8 July 2014 09: 29
    In my opinion, armor tests should now be carried out by shelling not from tank guns, but by firing ATGMs, because pushing tanks against each other in battle is not a good idea. It is much more efficient to destroy them with missiles from installations and helicopters. It was interesting to see how a modern tank can deal with a combat helicopter?
    1. +5
      8 July 2014 10: 27
      Quote: the47th
      how can a modern tank deal with a combat helicopter?

      It will be crushed by caterpillars at the airport, but in general tanks use large-caliber anti-aircraft machine guns to protect themselves from helicopters.
      True, their effectiveness is quite low ...
      1. +1
        8 July 2014 19: 26
        Quote: GRAY
        tanks use large-caliber anti-aircraft machine guns to protect against helicopters.
        Mobile combat anti-aircraft systems should always be present in combat and marching formations of such formations, and no one has yet canceled air cover.
    2. +10
      8 July 2014 10: 31
      Quote: the47th
      It was interesting to see how a modern tank can deal with a combat helicopter?

      Yes, almost nothing. The helicopter has many advantages:
      1. The helicopter moves in three planes, the tank only in two.
      2. The helicopter is equipped with powerful means of detecting ground targets:
      a) radar stations
      b) electron-optical stations (digital cameras, thermal imagers)
      In addition to the narrow-field EOS, a tank has nothing.
      3. The helicopter is equipped with high-precision means of destruction with a long range. The tank is usually not. Existing TOURs are difficult to control against high speed air targets.
      4. The speed of movement of the helicopter is several times greater than the speed of movement of the tank.
      1. Crang
        -6
        8 July 2014 10: 57
        1. The tank is hiding in the bushes and folds of the area, and the helicopter looms in the clear open sky.
        2. In modern MBT, means of target detection are no worse.
        3. Domestic tanks also have guided missile weapons (URO) capable of striking maneuvering targets at a great distance. In addition, there are ammunition with the Ainet non-contact detonation system, which does not require a direct hit on the target, and the radius of destruction of the most powerful tank OFS is 50m2.
        4. As for speed, it does not really matter. The helicopter must urgently fly away from the tank over the horizon, or at least beyond the limits of its weapons. The tank only needs to rush to the nearest shelter and all.
        1. +12
          8 July 2014 11: 46
          I think you are too optimistic about
          Tank in a tank-helicopter duel.

          "1) 1. The tank is hiding in the bushes and folds of the terrain,
          and the helicopter looms in the clear open sky. "///

          A tank can hide in bushes and creases
          just cooled off with the engine off. Helicopter
          the tank cuts not by optics, but by heat.
          Helicopters, at least Israeli ones, only fight at night.
          You will never see a helicopter looming in the clear sky.
          And to fall under the Hellfire distribution with Apache at night ... I would have nobody
          did not wish.

          "4. As for the speed, it does not really matter.
          urgently need to fly away from the tank over the horizon, or at least beyond
          the actions of his weapon. The tank only needs to rush to the nearest cover and that's it. "///

          Anti-tank helicopter and does not approach the tanks. He rockets
          from a great distance. Not less than 5 km. And at night, as I wrote.
          A tank could rush to some kind of shelter? If to a concrete bunker, then - yes -
          will help.

          I would advise to escape from helicopters in the air above tanks
          fighter planes - shoot down helicopters (as we do). And if they are not, mask tanks with the engines turned off.
          1. Crang
            -6
            8 July 2014 11: 54
            Quote: voyaka uh
            A tank can hide in bushes and creases
            just cooled off with the engine off. Helicopter
            the tank cuts not by optics, but by heat.
            Helicopters, at least Israeli ones, only fight at night.
            You will never see a helicopter looming in the clear sky.
            And to fall under the Hellfire distribution with Apache at night ... I would have nobody
            did not wish.

            There is no need to compare that situation. Both Israeli and American helicopters fought mainly against the T-54/55 and T-62 tanks, the instrumentation and armament of which, of course, did not allow them to defend themselves in any way effectively. The only case in recent history during the Arab-Israeli wars is a UH-1S "Hugh Cobra" helicopter shot down by a direct hit from a T-62 tank. Modern MBTs also "flop on heat", and the helicopter is even hotter than the tank (there are gas turbines there), and modern MBTs have much more variety of weapons. This is not to say that a tank is an effective anti-helicopter weapon and can fight them on equal terms. This I mean that a modern tank has all the means to independently defend itself from combat helicopters.
            1. +4
              8 July 2014 12: 56
              Quote: Krang
              Yes, and a variety of weapons in modern MBT are much more.

              Yes, what really trifles there ...
              1. +4
                8 July 2014 13: 01
                Quote: GRAY
                Yes, what is really trifling there.
                1. 0
                  8 July 2014 19: 34
                  The "smoking room" is alive ... hi That is, the wife has not yet learned what?
                  1. +1
                    8 July 2014 21: 37
                    Quote: svp67
                    That is, the wife has not yet learned what?

                    nobody sent a box with a home delivery.
                    Though I need to express my gratitude to Ilyich (stalkerwalker) for the gift
              2. 0
                9 July 2014 20: 01
                Where is it from?
            2. +3
              8 July 2014 15: 47
              When there were T-62 and T-54, there were no Apaches (and UR in general)
              They shot NUR with Cobras from small distances. Sometimes they hit.
              Let's talk about the present.

              125 mm rocket launcher, firing through the barrel, I can
              to imagine. But the fact that they will be given to tankers for shooting
              on helicopters - hard to believe. Very ammunition tank
              limited: enough OBPSs and high-explosive ...
              I say this because there’s a similar missile in Merkava’s kit
              LAHAT, which can also theoretically hit a helicopter.
              In practice, this is from a fantasy world.
              If the tanks will guard the Shell or something like that, then - fine.
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              2. +2
                8 July 2014 16: 22
                If the tanks had been implemented remote detonation of shells (radio fuse, number of revolutions, laser, etc.), then the fight against helicopters would be greatly simplified at ranges up to 4 km. That would increase the chances of dealing with turntables. But in view of the fact that helicopters are tactically more mobile, have more long-range means of detection in several ranges (up to 15 km) and weapons (8-12 km), the initiative will be theirs. But disasters like 15: 1 will no longer be.
                1. 0
                  8 July 2014 17: 23
                  Quote: goose
                  If the tanks had been implemented remote detonation of shells (radio fuse, number of revolutions, laser, etc.), then the fight against helicopters would be greatly simplified at ranges up to 4 km. That would increase the chances of dealing with turntables.

                  Still would rate of 120 rds / min. Yes? wassat
                  1. 0
                    9 July 2014 11: 04
                    Quote: Nayhas
                    Still would rate of 120 rds / min. Yes?

                    I vaguely remember from school time the characteristics of the automatic 76-mm anti-aircraft gun designed for installation on boats. Weight 7t, rate of fire about 1 shot / s, ammunition 60 rounds. No armor, plastic cap. Centralized management, combined with other electronics of the vessel.
                    1. +2
                      11 July 2014 09: 56
                      Ship's one hundred and thirty-third - up to 90 rounds / min, radar guidance and optics, plus a laser rangefinder, firing range of about 25 km, modifications - up to 35 km. Really works on air targets with a very high probability of target shooting. I saw how this thing worked in the 90s at the Northern Fleet during exercises. But their KPUG all the same then "spanked" us :).
                      Sorry if not the topic ...
                2. 0
                  8 July 2014 19: 35
                  Quote: goose
                  If the tanks had been implemented remote detonation of shells
                  On the T80U and T90, this has already been implemented ...
                3. +1
                  16 September 2017 21: 47
                  you are absolutely right shells with remote detonation now in many advanced countries will come to the service, and in different calibres. They are very effective against shelter infantry and against various slow aircraft. In large-caliber anti-aircraft installations in calibres of 30-60 mm, they will also be very effective both against infantry and against any aircraft, and at distances at which the helicopter starts an attack on armored vehicles.
            3. 0
              8 July 2014 19: 58
              Tanks simply need to be protected from helicopter attacks by appropriate air defense systems, and the main minus of the helicopter is its frail armament, many methods of combat have been made against helicopter ATGMs, because the main trump card of helicopter missiles is an attack from the upper hemisphere. Against tanks of the late seventies, and even without the support of air defense - this is fatal. And against a modern tank (with support for air defense systems) - how to say it.
          2. 0
            8 July 2014 14: 33
            counter and for arguments
            1. The helicopter strikes from the maximum distance only if the targets are detected in advance.
            in a combat situation, the tank can be detected at any distance from 0 km to infinity. Accordingly, situations on the battle distance are different.
            2. Maneuverability is very different: tanks are limited by both speed and terrain, and a helicopter is limited to a minimum + speed 10 times faster and can essentially impose a battle, where it will be in a favorable position
            3. At night, a helicopter is almost useless - firstly, in Israel I don’t recall a single car that is quite effective at night. Secondly, tanks stand at night and are almost invisible in the thermal background.
            4. Woodland can almost completely hide tanks from the fire of helicopters, even if the helicopter sees targets. In Israel, the forest is a little tight, but in Europe there are forests, and hills, and mountains, which seriously complicates the fight against tanks.
            1. 0
              8 July 2014 16: 29
              Apache flies confidently and shoots at night. This is his important feature.
              (as well as noiselessness on approach).
            2. +2
              8 July 2014 17: 29
              Quote: yehat
              3. at night the helicopter is almost useless - firstly

              Loud statement. It is a pity you designers of optoelectronic systems and radar side view do not hear. Probably would have hanged themselves from an incredible discovery ...
              Quote: yehat
              4. Woodland can almost completely hide tanks from the fire of helicopters, even if the helicopter sees targets.

              And how does the tank get into the forest? Will it slip between the trunks? The tank may be on a forest road or at the edge of the river, but this will not prevent it from being destroyed. The crew of the clearing will not be cut because it is long and useless ...
              1. -2
                8 July 2014 18: 15
                Quote: Nayhas

                Loud statement.

                LIKE, you take the position of Uber helicopters, and tanks - only targets, but
                if a tank stands in the evening for at least an hour with the engine turned off, how can it be detected by a helicopter? The residual heat is too small. To peer through a night sight and constantly search? Rave! Because after a few minutes the pilot’s eyes simply refuse to perceive the image.
                The medium helicopter has rather mediocre equipment for detecting targets at night. And his chances of success are small, and if the goals are masked, then they are close to zero. I suppose people are much easier to find.
                Finally, about firing at a "maneuvering" target from 2 km. The tank doesn't need a rocket. The helicopter will not continuously drive in turns, otherwise it will be simply useless, sooner or later it will have to slow down to use weapons. And in this case, the tank can simply hit a low-maneuvering target with a direct fire with an ordinary projectile, or with some kind of fragmentation with a timer, so that it probably gets through ...
                And for this, tankers will not need radars - just a regular sight.
                1. +2
                  8 July 2014 19: 30
                  Quote: yehat
                  if a tank stands in the evening for at least an hour with the engine turned off, how can it be detected by a helicopter?

                  But what the hell do you need a tank with equipment turned off in the form of a cold heap of iron? A soldier hiding in the babkin basement ceases to be a soldier, he is a deserter ...
                  Quote: yehat
                  The medium helicopter has rather mediocre equipment for detecting targets at night. And his chances of success are small, and if the goals are masked, then they are close to zero. I suppose people are much easier to find.

                  Especially for you:

                  Quote: yehat
                  Finally, about firing at a "maneuvering" target from 2 km. The tank doesn't need a rocket. The helicopter will not continuously drive in turns, otherwise it will be simply useless, sooner or later it will have to slow down to use weapons.

                  Why slow down? There are such equipment as gyrostabilizers that help to guide and use ammunition regardless of the speed of the carrier. so it’s already sooooo long ago they began to apply ...
                  Quote: yehat
                  And for this, tankers will not need radars - just a regular sight.

                  Yeah ... no comment ...
                2. +1
                  8 July 2014 20: 43
                  It is almost impossible to knock out a helicopter directly from a tank. The SLA of the tank is absolutely not intended for this. Not a single helicopter hangs for an attack even over the location of an infantry company - it will be knocked out of Kalash, but you won’t catch the speed of a helicopter in tank sights (without external target designation). Here I am about the fact that you create an air defense system that automatically integrates into yourself any means of destruction located on its territory, with the issuance of target designation - it will die as a class not only attack helicopters, but also attack fighters ...
              2. 0
                8 July 2014 20: 23
                Tree crowns interfere with the flight of anti-tank missiles. Do you really think that the rocket is capable of avoiding any obstacle in its path, because it has a limited fuel and energy storage life, and the minimum turning radius limited by the size of the rudders and the speed of movement, and its fuse stupidly reacts to the presence of a large mass nearby. At the same time, a contactless explosion is absolutely safe for a tank (shrapnel is like a summer rain for a tank), an air-to-ground missile needs to be hollowed out specifically, and it is much easier to shoot down its homing system than a pevosh rocket ...
          3. 0
            9 July 2014 10: 24
            well, it’s not entirely true that there are modern capes that reduce the thermal illumination. It is also necessary to take into account that the tank may be under the guise of the same shell of the Tunguska tori.
            In addition, modern KAZ like a windbreaker, according to the assurances of the professor, cope with missiles
          4. Crang
            -1
            9 July 2014 10: 38
            Quote: voyaka uh
            I think you are too optimistic about
            Tank in a tank-helicopter duel.

            Not at all. If earlier in the 60th tank-helicopter match ended in 2 in 100 in favor of helicopters, now this ratio is about 20-30 to 100. That is, the helicopter still wins of course, but not so unconditionally.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Anti-tank helicopter and does not approach the tanks. He rockets
            from a great distance. Not less than 5 km.

            A tank can also launch missiles from 5km so what?
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And at night, as I wrote.

            And a modern tank at night.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            A tank could rush to some kind of shelter?

            To anyone: in the bushes, in the ditch, drop in for a house, leave in a forest belt, leave in a hollow, behind a hill, for any natural and artificial obstacle. I will say so - the hardest thing for tanks to fight off helicopters in a desert theater. What took place in Iraq and the Middle East wars. But in our area all the trump cards on the side of the tank.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            I would advise to escape from helicopters in the air above tanks
            fighter aircraft

            Self-propelled missile and artillery anti-aircraft installations have long been developed and used to cover tank columns on the march, as well as joint action with them in battle formations. Such as Tor-M1, "Tunguska", ZSU-23-4 "Shilka", ZSU-57-2, etc. This technique can reliably cover tanks from air threats.
            1. 0
              9 July 2014 11: 21
              "The 60th tank-helicopter duel ended 2 to 100 in favor of the helicopters,
              now this ratio is about 20-30 to 100 "///

              Missiles in the tank’s ammunition are available in only two countries: Russia and Israel.
              Israel does not teach tankers to shoot down helicopters. Consequently, Russia remains.
              Statistics (20-30 to 100) based on the results of exercises in the Russian army?
              Usually in Russia (as far as I know) they are limited to firing shells at 1800 m.

              "Anyone: into the bushes, into the ditch" ///

              I don’t know if you ever looked at the device at night
              night vision? From boredom (by observers) we counted the sleeping
              birds on distant trees or jackals on a night hunt ...
              Tank hide? ...
              1. Crang
                0
                9 July 2014 15: 03
                Quote: voyaka uh
                I don’t know if you ever looked at the device at night
                night vision?

                You again transfer everything to a duel of a modern helicopter equipped with all imaginable and not conceivable guidance systems with an obsolete T-62M, T-80BV, T-72B tank. For the sake of justice, compare a modern helicopter with contemporary tank: T-90A, T-90MS, Merkava-MK. 4.
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Israel does not teach tankers to shoot down helicopters

                Teach. And just from the gun. For this, the Merkava tank of the 4th model is equipped with a high-speed SLA, special shells and a target tracking machine.
                1. 0
                  9 July 2014 19: 27
                  I somehow got tired of persuading you. recourse You never
                  answered how the statistics "20-30 - to 100" appeared
                  and is there any exercises in the Russian army: "shooting from a tank
                  by helicopters ".
                  In the IDF there are no such exercises from Lahat tank missiles.
                  Let's stay each with our opinion. drinks
        2. +1
          8 July 2014 17: 21
          Quote: Krang
          1. The tank is hiding in the bushes and folds of the area, and the helicopter looms in the clear open sky.

          ??????? Does it hide right in the folds, is covered with a rag and does not shine? Why is he hiding in them? Those. noticed the enemy's helicopter (the process of "spotting" the enemy is curious, I would like to see more details) and walk into the "folds" of the terrain? What are these folds from where the tank is not visible from above? Its heat spot will glow like a star on a Christmas tree, no folds will help. But the turntable can easily use the horizon "effect".
          Quote: Krang
          2. In modern MBT, means of target detection are no worse.

          In making such a statement, these means of detection should be listed. What is the brand of the tank and the brand of the device providing detection of air targets?
          On western tanks, this means is a loader who, leaning out of the hatch, is trying to see something against the background of a "clear" sky (and by the way, if the sky is "not clear", then how to visually detect?) An enemy helicopter and trying to hear it through the roar of the engine. ..
          Quote: Krang
          3. Domestic tanks also have guided missile weapons (URO) capable of striking maneuvering targets at a great distance. In addition, there are ammunition with the Ainet non-contact detonation system, which does not require a direct hit on the target, and the radius of destruction of the most powerful tank OFS is 50m2.

          Domestic tanks are equipped with laser-guided TOURs. How will the gunner keep the spot on a maneuvering target at a distance of 2 km? (really a helicopter and from 5 km. he will shut the tank up without any problems)
          At the expense of ammunition with non-contact detonation. Undermining these ammunition is carried out after entering the projectile data on the distance to the target. The data is entered by the MSA of the tank after the laser range finder determines the distance to the target. How can I cover an air target moving in space at a speed of 30 m / s (just over 100 km / h)?
          Quote: Krang
          4. As for speed, it does not really matter. The helicopter must urgently fly away from the tank over the horizon, or at least beyond the limits of its weapons. The tank only needs to rush to the nearest shelter and all.

          Well, hello, here we are ... The speed of the helicopter is on average 100-200 km / h (the Ka-50, for example, can develop a lateral speed of 100 km / h in a short time), in a short time it can change the altitude, direction of flight, etc. Your passage about a tank rushing to the nearest shelter cannot cause anything except laughter. This is not a Bugatti Veyron Super Sport for 2,4 seconds. will not accelerate to 100 km / h. How fast do you think a tank can "jerk" off the spot? Compare it with the speed of a helicopter ... And where did you get the idea that a tank always has a cover nearby?
      2. 0
        8 July 2014 14: 28
        But the T-90A can spit ATGMs, and, theoretically, the probability of destroying the helicopter is greater than that of other tanks. I wonder how this probability is nonzero? After all, the helicopter, it seems, is now the enemy of tank No. 3, after grenade launchers and ATGM calculations.
      3. -2
        8 July 2014 19: 33
        Quote: Nayhas
        1. The helicopter moves in three planes, the tank only in two.
        Well, not quite right, the tank also moves in three planes, only the speed of these movements is certainly lower ...
        Quote: Nayhas
        2. The helicopter is equipped with powerful means of detecting ground targets:
        a) radar stations
        b) electron-optical stations (digital cameras, thermal imagers)

        But tankers have another way of detecting - acoustic ... The sound of a flying helicopter is FAR AWAY ... In addition to the radar, the air defense systems and their own sighting systems
        Quote: Nayhas
        3. The helicopter is equipped with high-precision means of destruction with a long range. The tank is usually not. Existing TOURs are difficult to control against high speed air targets.
        The tank is also equipped with anti-missile defense systems, such as "Shtora", and also has the ability to hide with artificial smoke and dust curtains, as well as create a dipole curtain from radar flares ... And besides, to combat helicopters, it is possible to use the OFS in a fragmentation version, both the debris and the blast wave can cause a lot of trouble for the helicopter
        Quote: Nayhas
        4. The speed of movement of the helicopter is several times greater than the speed of movement of the tank.
        So what? He still produces launches at low speed, or even from the "hover" position, and the tank is capable of effective fire at speeds up to 40 km per hour ...
    3. +6
      8 July 2014 10: 42
      To combat helicopters there is a special. air defense equipment.
    4. Ujin61
      +2
      8 July 2014 12: 04
      For this they make "Shell".
      1. +1
        8 July 2014 14: 34
        and for this, infantry was flooded with manual complexes.
      2. +1
        8 July 2014 16: 16
        Quote: Ujin61
        For this they make "Shell".

        Do not make those present. The carapace behind the tank is only on the highway, and then wave it with a pen for wallowing upside down does not benefit from it ...
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        2. +1
          8 July 2014 16: 45
          At a minimum, tanks will be protected from helicopter attacks in the most vulnerable phase - the movement of the convoy along the road. As a maximum, you underestimate the terrain of the chassis on the off-road, on the tank field, this chassis moves quite successfully, so that it will pass easily on a typical potato. One problem is too deep snow or forest. There, of course, it will be more difficult, but not the fact that it will not pass, but the speed will be lower than the tank - yes.
        3. +1
          8 July 2014 18: 17
          but on the other hand, cover about 50% of the surface of the shell in a state and also able to wave a knocked down turntable with a handle.
          but about "only on the highway" is a strong statement)))
      3. +1
        9 July 2014 10: 40
        Quote: Ujin61
        For this they make "Shell".

        For this there are "Shilki", "Tunguska", "Strela10", "Wasps", and much more ...
    5. +4
      8 July 2014 12: 24
      Quote: the47th
      It was interesting to see how a modern tank can deal with a combat helicopter?

      theoretically, yes - there is an office from controlled detonation distances (like most tank countries) and there is a uro (we plus Jews have embarrassed such a thing).
      but practically - hardly.
      maneuverability, speed, specialized weapons and greater freedom of action of helicopters has not been canceled.
    6. Vladimir 686
      0
      8 July 2014 17: 40
      The armor, the guns are all wonderful. It is interesting how he will ride on our impassability. Will he drive over and bog down behind the border posts? If so, then an expensive target in the shooting range.
      1. Victor-cort
        +1
        8 July 2014 18: 13
        At 41 Germans were stuck only on the outskirts of Moscow, I think even now there will be enough leo patency.
  4. +12
    8 July 2014 10: 03
    Quote: the47th
    It was interesting to see how a modern tank can deal with a combat helicopter?

    Organized undermining of the ammunition and the subsequent downing of the take-off tower of a low-flying helicopter))
    1. Pasus
      +2
      8 July 2014 10: 12
      neighing, thanks)))
    2. 0
      8 July 2014 11: 07
      stop playing tanks!)))
    3. +2
      8 July 2014 11: 09
      Organized undermining of the ammunition and the subsequent downing of the take-off tower of a low-flying helicopter)) [/ quote]
      laughing
  5. 0
    8 July 2014 11: 11
    Neighing)))) In general, nothing new. Go to the stern and everything will be!
  6. +1
    8 July 2014 11: 39
    enough space to stop the RPG-7 grenades.
    Ammunition for RPG-7 is different. There are identical RPG-29s. RPG-29 developers boast that they have already brought normal armor penetration to 900+ mm. Even sections of armor were shown somewhere.
    Quote: the47th
    It was interesting to see how a modern tank can deal with a combat helicopter?

    The helicopter has speed, the tank has armor. Both one and the other have the ability to fire guided missiles. For example, a 125-mm round ZUBK20 with a 9M119M guided missile. Designed for firing from a tank gun to defeat armored and other small targets, as well as low-flying enemy helicopters. If there is such a shot, then it is possible to do something more sophisticated and specialized, albeit expensive.
    Well, or you can have a little fun, remembering the evil German tankers who shot down our attack aircraft from the guns in the Second World War.
    Tank gun KBA3 125 mm caliber. Horizontal dispersion (BPS and CS at a distance of 2000m) 0,2 etc. Vertical dispersion (BPS and CS at a distance of 2000m) 0,2 etc. Who can figure out how far you can reliably hit a direct hit on a helicopter? I don’t understand, and I don’t understand what it is, etc., and how to correlate this with the size of the helicopter.
    Much, of course, depends on automation and electronics. The target must be selected, calculate its trajectory, to produce guidance and shot. For modern systems, the task is quite feasible, even a curved path can be predictable. But I do not know how it is now implemented in advanced tanks. Maybe the truth has already reached the point that the crew only needs to confirm the targets detected by the electronics, everything else is already a matter of technology.
    Also, the information at what distance from the helicopter under consideration a detonation of a 125 mm high-explosive fragmentation projectile would lead to rather severe damage would not hurt. Helicopters are a fragile thing, there have been cases that they received serious damage from close explosions when fired from an RPG. Therefore, you can try to count not on a direct hit, but on a remote fuse in a projectile, on the principle of large-caliber anti-aircraft installations. Well, if without electronics, then you can try to shoot down a helicopter by sticking a shell into the ground beneath it, into a nearby house or rocky ledge. Blast wave + fragments + debris.
    1. Vladimir 686
      +1
      8 July 2014 17: 52
      Why is everyone talking about the confrontation between the tank and the helicopter? Let's discuss the chances of the tank after the attack aircraft attack. smile
      1. +1
        16 September 2017 22: 06
        attack aircraft as well as helicopters in the war of modern armies cannot be - there will be a no-fly zone over the battlefield because it will operate air defense in the form of ground-based air defense systems or patrol aviation and such simple targets as airplanes and especially meat like attack aircraft like a10 and su 25 will not survive and will be ineffective. In modern warfare, multifunctional fighters engage in air strikes and they provide air defense and process the ground. And the tops can be used if there is air superiority and it is possible to mow down the columns of equipment at a low cost and effectively.
        And you should not forget that tanks in modern wars are used very situationally, that is, it is an assault on fortified areas or the protection of the same fortified areas (tanks buried in caponiers or located on the ground floors of buildings) to pick out such a tank is very difficult.
        And those situations that you are considering here are usually columns on the march - on the march, the columns should cover both the turf from all Papuans with birds in the bushes and the hawks and the self-propelled air defense system of the near zone from the ground of the stormtroopers and hawks.
        Do not take modern warfare as frontal attacks of armored armadas as it was under the prokhorovka. Nowadays, the equipment is much smaller and much more expensive, and the infantry now possesses light mobile anti-aircraft missile systems and the like, which makes it quite effective when conducting combat operations at distances of several kilometers 2-3 km. Look at the battles in Syria, how quickly the clashes will happen, I'm not talking about fighting in the suburbs of Damascus and Aleppo, but about battles for different skyscrapers, etc.
  7. +7
    8 July 2014 12: 00
    Quote: GRAY
    in general, tanks use large-caliber anti-aircraft machine guns to protect against helicopters. True, their effectiveness is quite low ..

    ... in addition, the tank’s ammunition includes 450 5,45 mm cartridges for the AKS74 assault rifle, 12 signal missiles for the signal pistol and 10 F-1 or RGO hand grenades. If this does not help, you can pay attention to the radio station. Try to distract the pilot with a story of obscene jokes, or simply and unpretentious obscenities. Our tank crews have been trained in this from almost a young age, you just need to supplement the arsenal, taking into account the likely enemy.
    1. +4
      8 July 2014 12: 07
      Quote: brn521
      and 10 hand grenades F-1 or RGO.

      What prevents apart from the charter from adding MANPADS to the combat unit? Or becoming followers of the Juche?
      1. +1
        8 July 2014 12: 44
        Quote: Kars
        What prevents, in addition to the charter, from adding MANPADS to the combat unit?

        Probably the gigantic cost of these same MANPADS. Therefore, it is clearly not enough for everyone. It is more logical to hand MANPADS not to the tank crew, but to motorized rifle cover. The tank itself will have to deal with helicopters using regular means.
        1. +2
          8 July 2014 13: 00
          Quote: brn521
          Probably the gigantic cost of these same MANPADS.

          The gigantic cost? Compared to the gigantic cost of the tank? And what’s enough for all the tanks. Yes, and the cost is not so gigantic - the benefit of microelectronics has stepped into the future and the relative cost of the first arrow will be much less than the current needle.
          1. 0
            8 July 2014 14: 18
            there was an article about the MANPADS needle recently, so in order to prepare for shooting you need to do a lot of manual work, it’s very inefficient, maybe when they create an all-round radar for tanks up to 5 km + missiles on GOS radio, although unlikely, it’s too inefficient
            1. +1
              8 July 2014 18: 12
              Quote: T80UM1
              maybe when they create an all-round radar for tanks up to 5 km

              Well, it’s unlikely that the radar for tanks will go to the masses, it was not enough that they would also use anti-radioactive radars. But why not get telemetry from the higher authorities, and they can hide and get ready for MANPADS on time.
              1. 0
                8 July 2014 21: 22
                Quote: Kars

                Well, it’s unlikely that the radar for tanks will go to the masses, it was not enough that they would also use anti-radioactive radars. But why not get telemetry from the higher authorities, and they can hide and get ready for MANPADS on time.

                What about the arena? just there radar to 100 meters circular
                1. +1
                  8 July 2014 21: 40
                  Quote: T80UM1
                  What about the arena? just there radar to 100 meters circular

                  here I have no answer to a similar question as in the arena along Trophy with the Barrier
        2. 0
          8 July 2014 15: 49
          I do not think that the installation of MANPADS, let alone a shot at it, costs a lot of money.
          1. 0
            8 July 2014 16: 32
            Igla-1M costs 30-35 thousand dollars. It's a lot? Training a tanker costs significantly more than Needles. Well, the tanker himself appreciates his life at first much more.
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        3. 0
          9 July 2014 10: 25
          yes but true because there are such systems as shell of the tunguska
        4. +1
          16 September 2017 22: 08
          in the tank column on the march there is always a mobile air defense system - hara raving about the war of the tank crew with the anti-aircraft.
      2. +3
        8 July 2014 19: 16
        The relatively low efficiency of these
        MANPADS. Too long to land from it, and too many restrictions when shooting.
        To shoot down a modern combat helicopter, you need vertical missiles
        launch with a radar and GOS on a rocket. It will not fit on the tank. Therefore, there is a need for some kind of combat vehicle on a caterpillar chassis that accompanies tanks. Option Terminator with missiles.
        There is no such machine in the IDF. It is believed that over attacking tanks
        aircraft (F-16, for example) and shoot down enemy helicopters. But I think such a machine would not hurt at all.
  8. padonok.71
    +2
    8 July 2014 13: 11
    You still do not forget that the tank never works alone. Only as part of a unit (battle group). Remember Shilka - she’s why, highly maneuverable, going along with tank columns. Yes, and mabuta, Arrows in the state are. So the tank has something to answer p / t to the helicopter.
  9. +13
    8 July 2014 13: 16
    Do you have helicopters?
    - Then we go to you!
    1. +7
      8 July 2014 13: 44
      Quote: GRAY
      Do you have helicopters?
      - Then we go to you!

      Sergei:
      good
      The best friends of tankers are:
      - infantrymen,
      - anti-aircraft gunners.

      But Tunguska is no substitute.
      ...............................................................

      The article is interesting, I liked it.
      A lot of interesting and "useful" things about a serious car, which is Leo.
      Thank you.
      The guys meticulously and sensibly write on btvt.
      Only at the end of the article are there links to booking domestic cars ... on the frontal armor of the T-72B tower, for some reason I have the number 440mm in my head ...
      It was this figure that BTViT teachers stuffed into the head 24 years ago ...
      Maybe I forgot something.
      request
      1. +1
        8 July 2014 14: 20
        namesake, maybe it's physical thickness (440mm) without taking into account the angle? although in my opinion on 72a 440mm and 72b like it was more?
  10. Crang
    +1
    8 July 2014 14: 21
    Quote: Aleks tv
    For some reason, the T-72B in my head is 440mm ...

    This is at T-72
    1. 0
      8 July 2014 14: 25
      Quote: T80UM1
      maybe it's physical thickness (440mm) without taking into account the angle? although in my opinion on 72 440mm and on 72b it seemed to be more?

      Quote: Krang
      This is at T-72

      Probably guys.
      Too lazy to just climb into the directories ...
      Thank you for correcting, memory is already failing maleho.
      hi
  11. -2
    8 July 2014 15: 29
    Quote: padonok.71
    You still do not forget that the tank never works alone. Only as part of a unit (battle group). Remember Shilka

    I’m not a military man, well, as they say, from any situation without exit there are at least two ways out. For every tricky f ... y there is x .... th with a screw. The main detail of any tank and helicopter is their crew. And then someone will reheat whom, there will be more of a courage.
  12. +1
    8 July 2014 16: 30
    Quote: brn521
    Probably the gigantic cost of these same MANPADS. Therefore, it is clearly not enough for everyone. It is more logical to hand MANPADS not to the tank crew, but to motorized rifle cover. The tank itself will have to deal with helicopters using regular means.

    Is this MANPADS at a gigantic cost compared to the price of a heavy machine gun with ammunition, or, for example, the price of dynamic protection of a tank on a turret?

    The cost of air defense systems is a penny, it’s harder to teach how to use it correctly. But the real launch range of MANPADS is still inferior to the detection range of the tank in the open and the ATGM range.
  13. +2
    8 July 2014 19: 06
    Detection range in the infrared device on the abrams, IMHO, about 5km.
    Millimeter-wave radar "Crossbow" on a Ka-52 helicopter:
    Target Detection Range:
    - in the afternoon - 10 km
    - at night - 5-6 km
    Target recognition range at night - 3-4 km
    ATGM 9M120 with a tandem cumulative warhead (attack) Range: 6 km (up to 8)
    Rocket flight speed: up to 550 m / s
    Armor penetration warhead: 800 (850) -950 mm per DZ.
    Under these conditions, the tank will even have time to understand that it was detected by a helicopter, all the more it will not understand that it has already been attacked.
    like that.
  14. wanderer_032
    0
    8 July 2014 21: 34
    The article is informative, of course, but the modification of the Leopard tank that is presented in it has long been outdated.
    But what about this beast?
    1. +1
      8 July 2014 21: 44
      Quote: wanderer_032
      But what about this beast?

      and what about his armor has changed especially?
      The main thing is probably that they eliminated the sight in the frontal sheet of the tower.
  15. 0
    8 July 2014 23: 43
    Fighting a tank with a helicopter. Have already seen. See "Rambo - 3". What? Frontal !!! laughing (Shave the knife, zvolyadzh!) laughing
  16. 0
    9 July 2014 01: 04
    Quote: Nayhas
    Quote: the47th
    It was interesting to see how a modern tank can deal with a combat helicopter?

    Yes, almost nothing. The helicopter has many advantages:
    1. The helicopter moves in three planes, the tank only in two.
    2. The helicopter is equipped with powerful means of detecting ground targets:
    a) radar stations
    b) electron-optical stations (digital cameras, thermal imagers)
    In addition to the narrow-field EOS, a tank has nothing.
    3. The helicopter is equipped with high-precision means of destruction with a long range. The tank is usually not. Existing TOURs are difficult to control against high speed air targets.
    4. The speed of movement of the helicopter is several times greater than the speed of movement of the tank.

    The only advantage is that the helicopter was originally imprisoned against the tank. Therefore, it has more powerful means of detection.
    If the tank had such optics and adjustable anti-aircraft shells with a speed of more than 1000 m / s, then it would be better for a helicopter not to succumb to the battlefield. At a helicopter, the engines are many times more powerful and, accordingly, burn more fuel and fonit stronger. The tank can stand camouflaged on an auxiliary power unit. If they even notice each other at the same time, then the tank will be able to hit the helicopter faster due to the higher velocity of the projectile.
    1. 0
      9 July 2014 10: 36
      and who said that the enemy has no helicopters
  17. 0
    9 July 2014 11: 24
    Quote: goose
    Igla-1M costs 30-35 thousand dollars. It's a lot? Training a tanker costs significantly more than Needles. Well, the tanker himself appreciates his life at first much more.

    As usual, no one asks a tankman. If ordered to kill against the wall, you will either have to kill, or use the experience of the Second World War for such cases.
    30-35 thousand dollars is a lot. The army cannot even afford a decent RPG. In warehouses in bulk of all junk, like RPG-18.
    1. +1
      16 September 2017 22: 12
      An RPG is not a weapon of the army, but rather a weapon of partisans - in a modern war with a modern adversary, such a primitive does not channel. The attack distance is very small. The probability that the RPG calculation will be destroyed is very large. In modern armies, a bet is placed on ATGM calculations; they can only be destroyed by tanks by helicopters or by self-propelled guns for infantry, they are unattainable.
  18. 0
    9 July 2014 16: 14
    See the same detailed analysis of our tanks ...
  19. 0
    10 July 2014 04: 51
    it’s necessary to do something similar on the NATO tanks and send it to the Arabic Internet !!
  20. 0
    10 July 2014 09: 31
    Quote: MolGro
    it’s necessary to do something similar on the NATO tanks and send it to the Arabic Internet !!

    Indeed, perhaps in Arabic. We need something more substantial for ours. Where is aluminum, where is copper, and where is it primarily what to unscrew.
    Well, in the fight against tanks, it seems to me more realistic to focus on Chinese tanks. Very good location in China, there are a lot of tanks and are constantly being upgraded. It is also possible that they can cut the country in half with a tank wedge. And the morale of the Chinese is stronger than that of the NATO, since the Western worldview is not yet very penetrated.
  21. 0
    29 July 2014 19: 10
    What about NLD?
  22. 0
    5 August 2015 13: 35
    The weak zones in the frontal projection of Leopard 2 are inaccurate: the Germans saddled the shaft to place the gunner’s sight to the right of the gun.