Caucasian ballast on Russian shoulders

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Caucasian ballast on Russian shouldersNow a few months after the events at Manezhnaya Square and the “Enough to feed the Caucasus!” Rallies in Russia, the next election campaign culminates. storieswhich, as before, is tied up in the Caucasus and “Russian fascism”. According to the old custom, the season started shooting, the so-called "rogue colonels" - at the moment it was Yuri Budanov.

It is safe to say whoever killed the former officer Budanov, a recognized military attacker, this case, obviously, will still spill gasoline into the slightly extinguished fire of inter-ethnic “friendship” in the Russian Federation. In general, in our state, there is rarely a social consensus on what matter. However, the separation of the Caucasus from the Russian Federation long ago became a matter of fact: as innumerable populist polls on this sensitive topic indicate, the absolute majority of those who voted are definitely in favor. For example, the corresponding survey of the Noviy Region publication for December 2010. The results, to put it mildly, do not shine with novelty, and no matter what, innovations - 73% of respondents from approximately 11,5 thousand voters voted for the separation of all North Caucasian republics from Russia without exception. There is no categorical total of 17%, the rest fluctuate.

Of course, you can still conduct hundreds or thousands of polls, but the results will not change significantly.

Enumerate the reasons for which many of the inhabitants of the state think so, to no avail. According to human rights activists, this is a recurrence of Russian fascism, in the opinion of Caucasians themselves - a manifestation of imperial, great-power chauvinism, and in the eyes of ordinary Russians and a number of other peoples of the Russian Federation, the Caucasus long ago and is closely associated with the real “black hole”, which is irrevocably flowing away billions of budget dollars, and where does crime come from as an export? But at the same time, if we consider that even in such a state as Russia, where social judgment is equivalent to zero, for many years there is a similar notion, this indicates the seriousness of the process. And sooner or later, he will take some real shape. Denying this is absurd, even if you want the opposite.

It is fascinating to see what the Kremlin offers, which has long been the most problematic region in the Russian Federation, the Kremlin. What future plans does he have with him, how is he going to solve all his questions? A careful analysis becomes clear, and it infuriates that in any way. For example, the authorities of the North Caucasian Federal District and the presidential administration of the Russian Federation proceed from a primitive or never from a working postulate that by luring private investors into the Caucasian republics and adding budget funds there, as a result, if not to a prosperous Switzerland, then that degree, in the likeness of Slovakia. However, investment requires security guarantees. In the 3 scenarios of the formation of the Caucasus before 2025, which are contained in the government program, there is not a word about how this hitch will be solved. In other words, the dreamers from Moscow and Pyatigorsk, unfortunately did not even bother with this much bother.

The result is a vicious circle - multi-million investments can solve the problems of the Caucasus, but investors do not want to go there, because it’s dangerous, and the federal center cannot or does not want to restore order in the Caucasian republics. Or do not know how. Consequently, all the tasks of the past 10 years are plainly flooded with a stream of budget money. In 2010, the average tier of subsidies to the subjects of the federation in the republics of the Caucasus was 66% (the leaders here are Ingushetia 89% and Chechnya 87%), and in its pure form, the Russian Federation invested there naturally more than 6 billion. costs). This is taking into account the fact that the share of the North Caucasus Federal District in Russian GDP is only 179%, in the national volume of all tax revenues - less than 2,1%, in the foreign trade cycle of the Russian Federation - 1%.

Comical is also the fact that due to the degradation of the state apparatus in the North Caucasus, Moscow doesn’t even have narrowly primary statistical information about the real state of the economy in the region. The legal and profitable economy in the Caucasus is actually dead, there is enormous unemployment in the republics, and at the same time the underground, shadowed and at the same time highly profitable economy flourishes there, it is almost unthinkable to assess the annual turnover. In the end result, the tactics of Moscow of the last 10 years only aggravated the existing problems of the Caucasus, turning it into a parasitic, dependent region, whose elites are fighting to separate transfers from the federal budget. Often using the help of militants and terrorist acts, which, incidentally, no one is amazed.

The alarming bell for the Kremlin and those who are convinced that a similar policy must be pursued further is the fact that Russia simply does not physically “pull out” the Caucasus in its current form. In 2009-2010, President Medvedev and the Ministry of Finance have repeatedly made it clear that the North Caucasian republics need to increase their self-sufficiency. And at 2011, there has been a slight decrease in transfers from the federal budget to unprofitable republics of the region. The reason is that Russia - despite the second place in the world in terms of the number of billionaires, the country is rather poor, entirely dependent on the price situation for hydrocarbons. In addition, after all, in addition to the North Caucasus, Moscow has many other “plans” that require significant investments. In addition to holding the Winter Olympics in hot Sochi, the senseless and completely unnecessary APEC summit in Vladivostok, and so on, the federal center plans to allocate huge subsidies to a number of Siberian regions, and also entirely contains “independent” Abkhazia and South Ossetia. For example, only in 2011, Moscow planned to invest more than 200 million in South Ossetia (with a population of the republic in 35 thousand people). It is also necessary not to forget about the Pension Fund, the budget deficit of which for the second year in a row amounts to 1 trillion rubles ...

Based on this reduction in budget payments to the North Caucasian republics, inevitably. But if it happens, it will lead to another round of social collapse, the growth of terrorism and tensions in the region. It can be assumed that even the new war. The result is again a vicious circle.

The Caucasus is won by many representatives of the government elite, the huge financial flows constantly disappearing as if in a “black hole” are bringing crazy criminals to dishonest officials. Russia does not hesitate to give China islands located on the Amur, a large part of the Barents sea area in neighboring Norway, or through the mouth of Dmitry Medvedev, suggests that the vacant territories of the Far East and Siberia be populated by Japanese. But when it comes to the North Caucasus, here, for the sake of a couple of unwanted patches of land, Moscow is ready to spit even on the CIS countries ’approval of the CIS republics approved by 1991-1992 by the CIS countries. It turns out that the Kremlin is ready to keep the North Caucasian republics under its wing until the last fiscal ruble, to the last innocent soldier and able-bodied security officer (not able to move to a comfortable and quiet London). Until then, simply put, until the Russian Federation itself falls.

Taking into account such an approach, it can be said with confidence that Russia currently has no hope for any constructive and justifiable solution of the tasks of the Caucasus. An exceptional method, one that would theoretically be able to somehow untie the Gordian knot, which was made up, is the gradual decolonization of the Caucasus, following the example of France’s behavior in West Africa. Here it is necessary to proceed from the fact that each of the republics of the North Caucasus has already reached a certain acceptable stage in the formation of its own statehood, and they are quite ready to switch to associate relations with Moscow. And after that - to the formal, and later the actual autonomy. This way seems quite logical, considering that a significant part of the population of the North Caucasus is not in favor of decisive separation from Russia.

The proposed way of developing relations in the Caucasus provides for the transfer of powers to local authorities, some decentralization of leadership and, finally, the use of modern methods of control and management, rather than archaic relationships in the morally obsolete format of the "vertical" that exist today.

But there is another side to this issue. Today, some of the population of the Caucasus seeks separation from Russia, but what will happen to their desire to be independent, when the flow of money from the pockets of Russians is blocked, when they will have to survive on their own without hope of a strong shoulder? Yes, today Western countries are investing billions of dollars in the destabilization of the situation in the North Caucasus. The same Georgia gets weapon from the US as humanitarian aid. But this is so far, when the overseas friends still achieve their goal, that is, the doubt that their money source will not run dry. And because today's friends, tomorrow they will build their military bases in the Caucasus for ordinary Caucasians, it will not be easier for them to live.
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  1. pokermen
    -2
    14 June 2011 10: 51
    And what does the author suggest ??

    There is a vicious circle, if Russia stops paying, it will receive the 3rd Chechen .... which the current government and army will not pull
  2. Caucasian
    -17
    14 June 2011 12: 05
    This Mudanov is only the first blood, the blood of infidels will be shed, remember the death of the Chechens for each one we will repay in full.
    1. +2
      15 June 2011 13: 19
      and you would be "faithful", hailo cover ... on whose mill - opossum - pour water ???
  3. MichaelVl
    +1
    14 June 2011 12: 41
    The author does not offer anything. It is customary for us only to scold and multiply problems. This is the mentality. And behind the proposals and solutions - this is a reference to many unloved tandem by default :) The Caucasus - its entire history is associated with wars. For him, if you take a thorough social, and then the matter will not be one decade, tk. the thinking of young people and babies must be changed ... But in our country, only life on a more or less normal track rises after the beginning of perestroika - on a national scale - this is very little, especially for such an eternal problem as the Caucasus. But in any case it is impossible to separate! Definitely! Arguments about divisions are very short-sighted. Those who think that if you separate them, then life there SEPARATELY from ours is deeply mistaken. They were separated, so there such shit will "cook" on its own that it will not seem a little for us to digest this cuisine on our borders!
  4. +2
    14 June 2011 12: 52
    The elders told, I remember that there were cases when on both sides of the warring tukhums (clans) only women survived, i.e. disappeared whole tukhumami. And all because they did not know how to forgive.
  5. olifus
    +4
    14 June 2011 13: 07
    Quote: Caucasian
    This Mudanov is only the first blood, the blood of infidels will be shed, remember the death of the Chechens for each one we will repay in full.

    Budanov was a real officer, an excellent commander and patriot of his homeland, but the Kremlin betrayed him and for the sake of whom or what ???
  6. +2
    14 June 2011 13: 23
    Vicious circle.
    The population in the Caucasus does not know how to work and does not like, we will stop paying hunger and Chechnya will again turn into a terrorist community embittered all over the world.
    In the Middle Ages, such problems were solved by genocide. Just to reduce their numbers to the point where they can feed themselves on their meager feed resources.
    1. +2
      14 June 2011 15: 13
      frame5, maybe you will try to solve the problem of the Caucasus with genocide? Until the 19th century, we lived on our poorest resources. Yes, our "steep" ones hunted by robbery in not their territories, but there were a handful of them, and the normal ones raised livestock and cultivated the land, traded in what they had, and were happy.
      1. +1
        14 June 2011 15: 22
        Only the people then were incomparably smaller. And harm too.
        What will happen now when Chechnya is disconnected is clear to everyone. First, hunger, then the war is not clear who with whom.
        And if the "cool" ones decide to engage in robbery again, then the previous scenario will most likely repeat, Russia comes and drowns everyone in blood.
        The main question is: are these people able to lead an independent life and at the same time not be happy with what?
        Now is not the 19th century and no normal country will tolerate robbery at the borders.
        1. -1
          14 June 2011 16: 56
          frame5 if Russia just drowned in blood to right to left, then she herself would be drowned many times in blood, simply God would not allow it. Or did it seem to you that your nation reached the 100th magnitude only thanks to the fighting qualities of your ancestors? -if you can compare the ratio of losses in your wars. Thank your ancestors ONLY for an innate sense of justice and spiritual development.
          Food and trade in meat, potatoes and in the 21st century has not been canceled.
          1. +1
            14 June 2011 21: 02
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            then she herself would be drowned many times in the blood


            Who is this? Are they not great Kavakaz warriors? Is it not those who could not fight in the Second World War if there are less than half of the Slavs in the division?

            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            loss ratios

            In fact, in most of the wars waged by Russia, the ratio of losses has always been in our favor.
            And WWII is too lazy for me to paint, but firstly, the ratio of army losses among the OSI countries on the eastern front is about the same as that of the Soviet Union. Another matter is civilian losses. There are -removed- which do not distinguish them.
            1. +1
              15 June 2011 00: 11
              frame5 - I dared to reason only in the framework of the Caucasian war of the 19th century.
              But about those "who cannot distinguish" you in vain frame5well so frame5understand.
            2. +1
              15 June 2011 00: 25
              Listen frame5, maybe I can remind you of your Vlasovites, what do you think? No frame5You don’t piss me off, I am unfortunately for you, I remember first of all Panfilovtsev, Chuykova ............ do not understand? -Well, okay.
  7. Stavr
    Stavr
    +3
    14 June 2011 13: 43
    When they deal with those in the Kremlin who betray and sell their own people, incl. and Colonel Budanov, they will also take on the Chechens. It is not a matter when, for example, one of the internal affairs departments in Grozny is fully staffed with former militants, and a former field commander becomes its chief. Everyone understands that they are "former" only for the time being. During the day he shakes your hand with you, and at night he will put a bullet in your forehead! And having learned methods of operational work using all the forces and means provided, widely hiding behind Russian law and order legislation, and even using illegal methods, they become a real threat to the same law and order in the country, and not a defender of citizens. The bandit, covered with sheep's clothing, in fact, most often remains a bandit of whatever nationality he is.
  8. makrus
    +4
    14 June 2011 15: 01
    The Caucasus unambiguously understands the current power, therefore, we must proceed from this. And Zelya is Russian, there can be no talk of separation. We already went through it.
    THE GREAT CHECHEN PEOPLE ARE THE ASSEMBLY OF GANGS TO BE LUCKED AND THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO RESPECT THE LAWS OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION HERE AND SEE HOW IT WILL RECEIVE FROM OUR LIBERALS. Well, remember the second Chechen as they began to snatch the current right away to the feds. ALSO ME WARRIORS ... THEY ARE GANGS AND NOT MORE.
  9. olifus
    0
    14 June 2011 15: 10
    Quote: makrus
    Well, remember the second Chechen one as they began to snatch current right away to the feds

    they are with those who are stronger, unfortunately the Kremlin is now weak, as soon as Moscow shows strength and a master's hand, they will immediately climb under the baseboard and sit there and listen obediently.
    1. MichaelVl
      0
      14 June 2011 23: 42
      olifus, where is the conclusion that the Kremlin is weak? Those who are now in the Kremlin (Putin) and have led a less even life. Justify your remark about the Kremlin’s weakness.
      1. Alexxx
        0
        15 June 2011 17: 44
        Corrupt power cannot be strong by definition.
        Everyone is ready to sell each other. Hence the weakness.
  10. +2
    14 June 2011 16: 25
    (I try to be objective despite various destructive comments on the forum). There is an opinion that the Caucasus is fed, and in return only terrorist attacks and Caucasian dances on the streets of Moscow are received. Question - WHAT FOR did Russians come to the Caucasus in the 18-19th centuries? The main reason is the SEPARATION of the borders of the empire as far as possible, from the then powerful Islamic world, which would immediately create a serious fortified area in this area, strategic necessity means. Another question - WERE THE PEOPLE OF THE CAUCASUS ASKED FOR A RESOLUTION - The answer is NO !!!
    Another significant moment - there were robbery raids on Russian territories and not only on Russian, which could be solved by concentrating troops on the ground to eliminate the robbers, which would require much less effort than to conquer the entire Caucasus.
    Conclusion - there are negative and positive points in our history and relations that must be considered very carefully.
  11. Kavkaz
    +3
    14 June 2011 18: 42
    return, the election of the heads of regions !!! So far, the heads of the republics will not be the servants of the people but the servants of the Kremlin and their own pockets, there will be such crap .... No, the current regional authorities have responsibility to their people, they are not accountable to the people, they are accountable to the Kremlin , and act accordingly in the interests of the Kremlin and not their peoples ..
  12. Kavkaz
    +1
    14 June 2011 18: 51
    The subsidization of the Caucasus republics is also a controversial argument, for example, there is infa that annually Rosneft produces oil in Chechnya for $ 1,5 billion, taxes from there also go to the federal budget ... Similarly, in other regions ..



    I remember when all the Russian media trumpeted that Georgia would disappear without the Russian market, etc. etc., but the reality is that Georgia not only did not disappear without the Russian Federation, but became even stronger on its feet ...

    If the Russians leave, pendoses come, the holy place is never empty ..
    1. Script editor
      +1
      14 June 2011 19: 06
      Tell me, what will happen when oil runs out in Chechnya?
  13. olifus
    0
    14 June 2011 19: 19
    Quote: Kavkaz
    I remember when all the Russian media trumpeted that Georgia would disappear without the Russian market, etc. etc., but the reality is that Georgia not only did not disappear without the Russian Federation, but became even stronger on its feet ...

    in which place it has strengthened, there the economic situation is close to collapse

    Quote: Dramaturg
    Tell me, what will happen when oil runs out in Chechnya?

    they will go out to bandit, given that there is not much oil there and its quality is not so good
    1. Goldpirate
      0
      14 June 2011 23: 36
      To collapse ????? )))))))))))))) Mdaaaaaa, Well, since you know what we here in Georgia do not know, then the number of figures in the studio, figures and sources ........
  14. mitrich
    +8
    14 June 2011 19: 26
    Now I want to turn to the sane representatives of the North Caucasus, DAGESTAN333, partly to the Caucasus, and to all the others too.
    Does Russia need the North Caucasus in its present form? I will answer: no, it is not needed. What annoys me as an ordinary Russian? Kadyrov is annoying against the background of his palaces and zoos, while he does not hesitate to indicate in his income statement a 2-room apartment in Grozny and VAZ-21053, that's all. They are annoyed by the huge grandmothers that are pumped into the Caucasus, after which they are successfully fought there by the local "elites". And they are intended for you, Kavkaz, for the construction of factories and plants, and not for the villas of local officials and compensation for the "forest" ones. Kadyrov's "guards" are annoying, at any moment they are ready to move from legal formations to the category of illegal ones. Annoying is the father of the deceased suicide bomber, like a teacher who safely sent two sons to the forest, and his daughter to Moscow to explode. And this dad posed, sitting on a leather sofa against the background of "plasma" on the wall.
    One can recall the Russian GENOCIDE in Chechnya in 1991-94, the robberies of transit trains, which were attended by local men and women aged 8 to 80, and much more.
    Caucasians have positive qualities, what is there to lie. Caucasians do not drink, as in Russian villages, they have notions of friendship, loyalty and honor. But there is also bestial, almost primitive cruelty to the captives, the weak, the defenseless. If you want, Kungaeva is our answer for the severed heads and eggs of our guys, and real peace will come between us when one of you says: "I feel sorry for the dead Colonel Budanov!"
    And about correctness, DAGESTANETS333, go to the Terek fans' site, there you will see very "correct" and "loving Russian" representatives of the Caucasus.
    1. +2
      14 June 2011 20: 22
      mitrich I cut the truth. We cut the truth further - IF, we begin to think from positions "our" responded "your", then both "ours" and "yours" will not go far mitrich, "yours" will go further, no doubt, but not as far as you would like.
      The point for me personally is not Kungaeva, but what exactly Budanov did to her, an officer should not do THIS (that is, rape) under any circumstances! As for the shot groin and severed heads, such "wars" lose their status in my opinion - HUMAN, if you answer them the same, then you will become so yourself. Inhumans must be destroyed with maximum speed, and not to rape his daughter. Our religion, during the time of the Prophet (s.t.g.v.), did not even approve of anger towards the enemy in battle. But unfortunately, many are poorly aware of the principles of Islam.
      At the expense of fans ugliness, I agree.
    2. olifus
      +1
      14 June 2011 20: 30
      Quote: mitrich
      Caucasians have positive qualities, why lie here. Caucasians do not drink, as in Russian villages, have concepts about friendship, fidelity and honor.

      I don’t agree here, I served with the Dagestanis, they were half a year younger, so when they start from 3 people together, they walk in geese like that, if there are two or one of them, they are neither heard nor seen. there were 10 of them in the detachment, about 300 Russians, they weren’t there to keep together a smaller number, no, they kneaded at nine of them, as a result they finished him that way, he ate the needles and got into the doctor. they thumped quite decently, too, and all these show-offs in the first outfit into the dining room that they shouldn’t wash were forgotten by them very quickly, for a long time they didn’t get out of the kitchen from the foreman. but I can say that when you communicate with them one at a time, normal people seem to gather together in a heap - well, a real herd of rams, show-offs above the roof, to swear before each other.
  15. His
    0
    14 June 2011 19: 42
    All one talk. We need the Caucasus as a training ground, so that the army is always ready, where they can train. Sales of goods, this is also necessary. Plus, the invested grandmas usually steal and settle in Moscow (the price of real estate due to what?). If we leave there there will be Turks, the Black Sea will close for us, plus we will not be able to host the Caspian
  16. mitrich
    +1
    14 June 2011 19: 48
    Mr. OWN,
    Did you yourself "train" on this "training ground"? It is good to write like this, comfortably sitting in an easy chair. After such "training" friends have to bury.
    1. His
      0
      18 June 2011 12: 40
      It is better to die with a weapon in your hands like a hero, and not like an HIV infected drug in the gateway. There are 30.000 such fag per year, according to the head of the drug committee Ivanov
  17. mitrich
    +3
    14 June 2011 20: 42
    DAGESTANIAN 333,
    either I put it wrong, or you misunderstood me. For me, the concept of "my" nationalities does not have, and I do not write the entire Caucasus in the category of "enemies".
    What I am writing about, after all, was and is. Cruelty breeds cruelty. This is an axiom. And judging from the point of view of responsibility, how do the killed Russian girls differ from Chechen or Caucasian in general? Only the killing of some caused outrage in Chechen society, and death and violence against others was complete indifference. For some, amnesty and forgiveness, and others shame and prison, although Budanov, by the logic of things, should be his own power, he fought for it. Where is the justice?
    In place of the authorities, I would hold, along with the Duma elections in December, a referendum in the Caucasus, where I would ask a simple and clear question: "Who are you with?" If you are with Russia, then if you please live according to our rules and laws, if you want to live separately - the road is like a tablecloth with all the consequences, including a 3-meter fence on the border and Cossack patrols in the same place.
    In the meantime, the North Caucasus seems to me, if we speak in general, as a territory where they really like to "master" Russian money and do not really like their older brothers. I mean Russians.
    1. +4
      14 June 2011 22: 09
      I - WITH - RUSSIA mitrich if I don’t poke around every time, for what I “master” 6234 rubles of salary per month (which is happy, unlike some). I, my father is an officer, my grandfather is a school teacher, my great-grandfather who fought for the revolution, WE ARE FOR Russia mitrichif our elder Brother in the person of radical and not quite youth, all the time will forget that he once came to us and included us in his composition with far-reaching strategic goals, otherwise what kind of remote will take on such a burden?
      Regarding the "assimilation" of money, I suspect that the Caucasus is not the leader in this area.

      If they called me OWN, then I will go fight for you (that is, I will sacrifice many for the sake of a common idea)

      If you are at a loss with a decision, then we will put everything on the shelves of who owes what and to whom.
  18. mitrich
    0
    14 June 2011 21: 00
    In general, as I take a look, too much religion in society is not good. They gave too much power to the Russian Orthodox Church, so the priests began to look under the skirts of the girls, checking their length.
    They gave a lot of power to the mullahs, so the Muslim youth for some reason ran into the forests and mountains with the "apostates" to fight.
    It is true that under Soviet rule every cleric had a Chekist "ksiva" in his hands.
  19. bnfkbq
    0
    14 June 2011 21: 08
    I myself am from the Caucasus. And I would not want to remain under the Wahhabi heel after such detachments. And about blood feud I will say this: In Dagestan (I’m not from there) in the 18th century there was a case - after blood feud, two large (formerly) clans remained the remaining two children were killed. Romeo and Juliet are resting.
    1. +1
      14 June 2011 22: 22
      bnfkbqif in Dagestan there will be someone’s heel then this is definitely not Wahhabi.
      And if they declare war here, a self-respecting Dagestan will offer you (in a pinch) as a guest, to leave first at a safe distance for you.
  20. Kavkaz
    0
    14 June 2011 21: 15
    Dramaturg Today, 19:06

    Tell me, what will happen when oil runs out in Chechnya?





    the same thing that will be in Russia when the oil runs out ....
    1. olifus
      0
      14 June 2011 21: 52
      Quote: Kavkaz
      the same thing that will be in Russia when the oil runs out ....

      In addition to natural resources, there are also various industries on the territory of Russia, while in the Caucasus there is practically zero at all.
  21. mitrich
    +2
    14 June 2011 21: 17
    BNFKBQ,
    if representatives of the Caucasus wish, they have every right to arrange blood feud among themselves, right up to the complete annihilation of a hostile family.
    And let them kill a representative of a different nationality, a former army officer, a participant in the war, even if they consider him an enemy - for this, you must immediately give hands in such a way as to completely immobilize them. This is no longer blood feud, but a challenge to the army and the state system of government.
  22. 0
    14 June 2011 21: 33
    And let's give it to the heap and give the Far East, we also do not need it. One bridge in Vladik to the Russian island how much money. We don’t keep the Kuril Islands either - let's give it to the Japanese, and they will throw right-handed cars. Yes, and give up Chukotka, too, but only after Roma gets tired of investing there. Yes, what is it that we’ll give Siberia back too, I’ll give the Urals to whom I don’t know, but Yöburg will defend Mitrich, and one more my best sidekick.
    He can give a fool, but a real man changes the world for himself. If he meets another real man, he either fights to the death, or negotiates. Not a real man submits, and gives what is required of him. Conclusion, if not real men write that part of their land, their homeland must be separated, because real men live there, I will go to fight first and if I can’t conquer, I will agree, but I won’t give my land, I can’t agree, I’ll go to fight again, and then agree. Enough, once chickened out, in 1991, and now it’s a shame for a child to look in the eye.
    1. MichaelVl
      0
      14 June 2011 23: 58
      I, too, will protect Yöburg, Ost :) And not only Yöburg;) You are truly talking about real men!
  23. Kavkaz
    0
    14 June 2011 21: 40
    mitrich Today, 19: 26
    - 4 +
    Now I want to turn to the sane representatives of the North Caucasus, DAGESTAN333, partly to the Caucasus, and to all the others too.
    Does Russia need the North Caucasus in its present form? I will answer: no, it is not needed. What annoys me as an ordinary Russian? Kadyrov is annoying against the background of his palaces and zoos, while he does not hesitate to indicate in his income statement a 2-room apartment in Grozny and VAZ-21053, that's all. They are annoyed by the huge grandmothers that are pumped into the Caucasus, after which they are successfully fought there by the local "elites". And they are intended for you, Kavkaz, for the construction of factories and plants, and not for the villas of local officials and compensation for the "forest" ones. Kadyrov's "guards" are annoying, at any moment they are ready to move from legal formations to the category of illegal ones. Annoying is the father of the deceased suicide bomber, like a teacher who safely sent two sons to the forest, and his daughter to Moscow to explode. And this dad posed, sitting on a leather sofa against the background of "plasma" on the wall.
    One can recall the Russian GENOCIDE in Chechnya in 1991-94, the robberies of transit trains, which were attended by local men and women aged 8 to 80, and much more.
    Caucasians have positive qualities, what is there to lie. Caucasians do not drink, as in Russian villages, they have notions of friendship, loyalty and honor. But there is also bestial, almost primitive cruelty to the captives, the weak, the defenseless. If you want, Kungaeva is our answer for the severed heads and eggs of our guys, and real peace will come between us when one of you says: "I feel sorry for the dead Colonel Budanov!"
    And about correctness, DAGESTANETS333, go to the Terek fans' site, there you will see very "correct" and "loving Russian" representatives of the Caucasus.


    Mitrich, you will not believe me, I am also annoyed by the cutting of budgetary money by regional "elites" with the tacit consent of the Kremlin, and maybe with the participation of ... But you understand, we are not given the right to choose, these "elites" have been appointed by the Kremlin, we have long been we ourselves do not choose anyone and nothing, there will be order in the Kremlin, there will be order in the regions, the fish rots from the head ...

    About animal cruelty, there are a lot of peoples to prisoners in the Caucasus, and you don’t have to row them under one comb ... Kabardins, Circassians, Adygs, Ossetians, Abkhazians, some Dagov and others do not differ in any animal attitude to prisoners ....

    You must understand that some representatives of Chechnya in other republics are not the whole Caucasus ...

    about football

    you read reviews of fans of Moscow clubs about the Caucasian teams and their fans ..


    PS I really feel sorry for Colonel Budanov !!!!!!!!!!
  24. mitrich
    0
    14 June 2011 21: 44
    ost,
    I wrote this because I know very well how the peoples of the Caucasus will vote. Even Chechnya. Only then will there be a legitimate opportunity to restore the iron Bolshevik order in this region, and not play flirting and financial handouts. It will only be beneficial to the North Caucasus and its inhabitants. And then how much more to wait until everything calms down there? 20 years? 30 years? And how many more people will die during this time? Don’t you worry about your son?
    1. 0
      15 June 2011 19: 50
      Mitrich, if the son would certainly be worried, but sent to the army in any way. Wait until it calms down is not necessary, it is necessary to restore order, with a carrot and a stick. A whip for those who are not with us, a carrot for those who are for us. And for God's sake you don’t have to watch how those who are for us eat this gingerbread. This is their business.

      In general, Kipling R. already said everything

      White man's burden

      Carry this proud burden -
      Sons went
      To serve you subject
      To the peoples of the ends of the earth -
      To hard labor for the sullen
      Restless savages
      Half demons
      Half the people.

      Carry this proud burden -
      Be even and businesslike
      Don't succumb to fears
      And do not count insults;
      Simple clear word
      Repeat for the hundredth time -
      This to your ward
      Generous harvested.

      Carry this proud burden -
      Fight for the peace of others -
      Make the disease retreat
      And Hunger shut your mouth;
      But how are you closer to success
      The better you recognize
      Pagan Negligence,
      Treacherous Lies.

      Carry this proud Burden
      Not like an arrogant king -
      To hard black work
      Like a slave, self-control;
      You don’t see during life
      Ports, highways, bridges -
      So build them, leaving
      Graves of people like you!

      Carry this proud burden -
      You will be rewarded
      Challenging commanders
      And the cries of the wild tribes:
      "What do you want, damn,
      Why confuse minds?
      Do not lead us to the light
      From the sweet Egyptian Darkness! "

      Carry this proud burden -
      Ungrateful labor, -
      Ah, too loud speeches
      Your fatigue is betrayed!
      By what you have already done
      And ready to do more,
      Silent people will measure
      You and your Gods.

      Carry this proud burden -
      Far from youth
      Forget easy glory
      Cheap laurel wreath -
      Now your maturity
      And rebellion to fate
      Appreciate the bitter and sober
      The court of equals to you!

      (translation by A. Sergeev)

      Of course, our people of the Caucasus are by no means the savages Kipling writes about, but to understand the fate of my elder brother, the Russian people, I consider all this more than relevant. Or are you not senior, and not real .....
      PS In the original, this work sounds even more powerful.
  25. Kavkaz
    0
    14 June 2011 21: 44
    Dumb-headed Russian Nazis made their idols and ideals those with whom their grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought, and with fascist slogans go against their fellow citizens ...
  26. Kavkaz
    -1
    14 June 2011 22: 20
    order, it is necessary to establish not only in the Caucasus, but throughout the country ... As Colonel Kvachkov said, without Stalinism of the 21st century, we cannot get out of this "liberal-democratic" garbage dump ...

    The Caucasus and Caucasians are far away, not the main problem of Russia ..
  27. mitrich
    0
    14 June 2011 22: 21
    DAGESTANIAN 333,
    I already wrote to you once that if everyone in the North Caucasus thinks like you, there simply will not be a subject for discussion.
    However, you must agree, DAGESTANETS, that there have been no cases of "lawlessness" and premeditated murders committed by "skinheads" and other thugs in the North Caucasus. Brigades of "avengers" do not go there, they are afraid.
    Do you understand what I mean?
    1. 0
      14 June 2011 22: 40
      Yes, for some reason this does not come to our "avengers", at least purely out of fairness.
      Such stupidity makes me angry.
  28. mitrich
    +2
    14 June 2011 22: 52
    And also for DAGESTAN333,
    I do not reproach you with money. It's bad that you get 6000, not 60000. This situation has developed precisely because a certain caste of Caucasians buys Arab horses for entertainment and drives a Lamborghini, while the other, most of them, figuratively speaking, suck their paws. This, among other things, explains the craving of Dagestan youth to go to the forest (I really want to make money for a nice car, so they “earn” until they run into a spetsnaz bullet).
    But how much could be done? The sea, mountains, resorts can be organized no worse than Antalya and Courchevel. You have wonderful daggers, in Kubachi, it seems they were made. Why not create a plant following the example of Zlatoust in the Chelyabinsk region? Yes, a lot of things are possible. And how to do this, if they steal, steal, steal ... That’s why the irritation has accumulated in me.
    1. His
      0
      17 June 2011 22: 22
      They are savages and loafers. All of their households were congregated by immigrants and Russians. The Russians have now been kicked out and a massacre has begun. This is an example of Africanization when a white man left there.
      1. 0
        18 June 2011 15: 42
        Savages are those who like to indulge in polygons.
  29. 0
    14 June 2011 23: 31
    mitrich - at the expense of religion. The only thing that is more important to me than my state is my religion. Life for the state - please, property for the state - please, starve - yes, but not religion. And my religion tells me - be the best in moral terms, show an example with kindness, compassion, pity, patience, ..., this is just a few of the many similar things that I learned from my mentors (although personally I am far from minus ").
    And yet - it is not worth it (I am friendly) how is it wrong to look at the Orthodox Church, to judge by several hierarchs who "drive around in foreign cars", and those who perform services in the outback and are very close to God? -How are they?
    Even Muslims know about some of the saints of the Russian Orthodox Church - Sergius of Radonezh, for example, I know him not from the history books ...
  30. Dmitriy
    +1
    15 June 2011 11: 58
    One of these days a slut suggested not to let old women into the center of Moscow. So for me she, Kadyrov, Yeltsin and Chubais are "they", and the Dagestani333, Wasserman and even Budanov are us. I was born in Grozny, and this is my city, just like Moscow, this is the city of my friends, Chechens, Dagestanis, Armenians, etc. I have not forgotten not 91-92, but in 2001 I had to "fight" not so much with the bandits as with those who did everything to ensure that they came back to power in Chechnya. And Budanov was convicted legally. and also legally buried with military honors. He deserved both.
    1. +3
      15 June 2011 12: 25
      Budanov was convicted legally, but he was illegally killed, a person was punished by the state, but it seems to someone that lynching can also be perpetrated, then we are all here ..., we must obey the law ... and someone not? It is necessary to extinguish - those who violate the contract (they agreed to live by law).
      And anyway ... it's a pity a person who has been punished twice, is unfair, this should not happen to an officer ...
  31. Dmitriy
    0
    16 June 2011 09: 05
    Dagestanis 333. I meant the military honors that Budanov really deserved, and not his murder, for which, unfortunately, hardly anyone will answer.
    1. +1
      17 June 2011 00: 10
      I got what you mean. There was also a lack of military honors at the funeral to question. Honors deserved.
  32. 0
    16 June 2011 11: 04
    Separate the North Caucasus .... So what? Transcaucasia was separated, now its inhabitants are marking time in Russia. As well as Central Asians. Separately, the inhabitants of these "republics" will also trample on the markets of central Russia. In general, no country has such a thing as to throw away part of its own territory, moreover, conquered by the blood of Russian soldiers and Cossacks. It is necessary to solve the problem, but in a different way - I do not offer recipes until there is no order in the country itself
  33. Slav
    +2
    16 June 2011 17: 08
    Guys, what do you know about the Caucasus? NOTHING. Dagestanets333 correctly speaks of the Caucasus .. and one or two more people.
    I am Ukrainian ... I have been living in the Caucasus for the third decade. I will tell you one thing ... everything that happens there ... is from the connivance and tacit consent of the center! In the Caucasus there is no political will of the center, no development plan, no desire!
    This is the main reason !!!!! Here conditions are created only for the digestion of federal finances, cuts and kickbacks. Here is the answer. And no matter how much we beat our heads .... nor write on forums and blogs .... whatever ..... the dog barks ... the cow is walking.
  34. +1
    17 June 2011 00: 04
    Yes, the one who lives here knows better ...
  35. His
    0
    17 June 2011 22: 25
    Without Russians, there will be no order anywhere, there will be continuous wars. They should put a big memorial to the Russian man. And then now in the Caucasus would be a big Somalia
    1. 0
      18 June 2011 15: 39
      I personally have a monument in my soul, but not to those who view us as a testing ground.