Aviation industry: one step away from the abyss

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Aviation industry: one step away from the abyssThanks to Mikhail Pogosyan, domestic aircraft construction can easily overcome this distance in the very near future.

The fact that the situation in the domestic aviation industry does not correspond to the bravura reports of the leadership of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) is gradually becoming a universal opinion in the country. The case, according to unanimous assessments of independent experts, frankly comes to a standstill. And more than a significant role in all these negative processes is personally played by the head of the UAC Mikhail Pogosyan. It was he who brought the domestic Aviation to the brink of disaster.

To begin with, let's focus on what the United Aircraft Building Corporation is. It would not be a great exaggeration to say that this is a kind of modern analogue of the famous company “Horns and hoofs”. Having an extremely bloated staff and more than a high salary of the management team, UAC does not actually produce any intellectual or material product.

In fact, the United Aircraft Corporation operates as a commissioner and from any process taking place in the aviation industry of Russia, in any case (with a plus sign and with a minus sign) has its own percentage of profit (and note, quite considerable). When the state allocates funds for the development of domestic aviation, the UAC takes a very significant share. What remains is distributed to airlines, and only in accordance with personal preferences and preferences of the head of UAC, Mikhail Pogosyan.

Aviation industry: one step away from the abyss

At the same time, the United Aircraft Corporation, placed above the enterprises of the industry, constantly withdraws their funds in a variety of ways and ways. Moreover, these ways and methods are constantly being improved. Such a scheme, regardless of the specific results of the industry, allows UAC management to provide a very comfortable life. On the street of the KLA is always a holiday, always sunny, warm, full.

But what the Attorney General’s inspection of the United Aircraft Building Corporation showed. Thus, the report of the Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika notes: “Despite the unprecedented government support measures in the amount of 2009 billion rubles adopted in 70,5 for restructuring the existing debt, the financial condition of the majority of the corporation’s companies has deteriorated. The corporation’s total debt increased by almost 100 billion rubles. and at the time of the audit was more than 260 billion rubles. The value of assets of subsidiaries and affiliates decreased markedly, which led to a decrease in the authorized capital of the corporation by 30,7 billion rubles. ”

And here is the confirmation that the UAC leadership solves its problems at the expense of the enterprises that make up the corporation. Thus, the report of the General Prosecutor’s Office states: “The funds from 2007 to 2012 from the federal budget to the authorized capital of the corporation amount to almost 50 billion rubles. for the implementation of projects for the construction of civil aircraft of domestic production, the corporation was brought to subsidiaries and affiliates on extremely unfavorable conditions. Instead of donating funds to the authorized capital of companies, designed to support enterprises of the aircraft industry, they were provided by the corporation in the form of loans with a charge of up to 14,5% per annum.

In addition to interest income, a corporation often received interest-free loans from its subsidiaries and affiliates. JSC Sukhoi Company, JSC NAZ Sokol, JSC Irkut Corporation in the 2011 – 2012 years issued JSC UAC over 2,2 billion rubles. interest-free loans.

Moreover, since 2007, the corporation with its subsidiaries and subsidiaries received in the form of dividends over 4 billion rubles, the main part of which was used for its needs.

In addition, JSC UAC received income from placing funds on deposits. While aircraft manufacturers were forced to take out loans from commercial banks, the corporation in 2011 – 2013 placed more than 685 million rubles on deposits. ”

As for the phrase “the main part of which was used for its own needs,” the prosecutor’s office told about it: “The income obtained from subsidiaries and affiliates allowed the company to raise wages, which in 2012 was four times higher than the salary remuneration of employees of enterprises engaged in the construction and repair of aircraft (137 and 30 thousand rubles, respectively) ".

Now let us ask ourselves the question: what does the money left after the satisfaction of the ever-growing needs and personal ambitions of the KLA leadership and Mikhail Pogosyan personally spend on the UAC?

Money is spent mainly on programs that Mikhail Pogosyan considers personally his own. They are in the UAC and priority.

The first in this series is the “Dry Superjet” (SSJ). All other areas of development of domestic aviation and topics in the KLA, with the exception, perhaps, only of the state defense order, are exsanguinated solely in the interests of SSJ. However, it is no secret that the SSJ program was economically untenable. And despite the fact that all the resources of the domestic aviation industry were thrown at it. It is untenable not from the point of view of the aircraft itself, but from the point of view of the economic and state product.

We give some numbers. According to the results of the first quarter of 2014, the company “Sukhoi Civil Aircraft” (GSS) did not count for about 5,735 billion rubles. As the leaders of the United Aircraft Building Corporation and the GSS themselves admitted, the gross loss increased almost 2,8 times and amounted to 705 million rubles.

According to the director of the Aviation Explorer project, Roman Gusarov, SSJ brings huge losses to the country. And the more it is built, the faster the losses grow. According to the annual reports of CJSC GSS, the losses by year are: 2010 year - 1,844 billion rubles., 2011-th - 3,859 billion rubles., 2012-th - 4,582 billion rubles. In this case, the cumulative loss: 2010 year - 4,701 billion rubles., 2011-th - 8,560 billion rubles., 2012-th - 13,142 billion rubles.

The figures show that the trend of increasing annual losses continued this year, and in fact the growth of losses over five years is more than 30 percent. According to the canons of business planning, if the project after five years does not bring profit, not to mention the increase in losses, it is closed. The leaders of the project are waiting for serious organizational conclusions, and they themselves may be involved in judicial and criminal proceedings. Especially when it comes to billions in losses. But recently, Vladimir Putin personally participated in resolving the crisis with Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, who allocated about one billion dollars to save the company.

As intermediate conclusions. The concentration of all aviation industry resources on this product (SSJ) is not only an economic, but even a political mistake. Political because this project does not solve the most important state tasks. It's no secret how large the percentage of imported components in the SSJ. Yes, if this is our plane, some experts say.

For example, today the Russian Federation is on the verge of economic sanctions, and the state does not have the aviation technology critical for solving the tasks of both defense and transport security in such cases of the development of the military-political situation.

What exactly is it about? We still have not had a light military transport aircraft that would replace the very good, but for its time, An-26. There is no medium military transport to replace the An-12. By and large, on aircraft of these types, the whole daily life of the Armed Forces is held. It is they who fly to ensure the performance of the army and fleet almost every day.

Works on IL-112В were only recently resumed. At the same time, the An-140, now supplied to the Air Force and the Russian naval aviation, cannot be considered an adequate replacement for the old machines. It does not have a ramp and full cargo compartment. They will not be able to replace light and medium military transport aircraft and the latest IL-76MD-90А (IL-476). After all, when flying over short distances with a relatively small load, the economic and operational characteristics of light aircraft gain significantly.

But that's not all. Mikhail Pogosyan completely abandoned the development of small regional aviation. In this case we are talking about cars with a capacity of 10 – 70 passengers. Airplanes of this type are the only means of ensuring the transport accessibility of remote regions of a country like our Motherland. And if this is not wrecking, what is it in this case?

Due to Mikhail Pogosyan’s evil will, all the aviation industry’s resources on the SSJ in Russia still do not have a modern medium-haul aircraft, which carries the majority of passengers in our country. The project Tu-204 without the participation of Mikhail Pogosyan is practically buried. The draft MC-21, again not without the participation of the current head of the KLA, has gone through bureaucratic and paper stages for too long. Presumably, for these reasons, Russian civil aviation transports less passengers per year than is served by one terminal of the Dubai International Airport of the United Arab Emirates.

It is good that the state has found the political will to stop the no less dead-end project of Mikhail Pogosyan SSJ-NG, which in fact did not solve a single state task. And the funds claimed very, very serious. And it’s ridiculous to say - is it possible to regard the addition of 20 seats in the SSJ as a promising and priority task for domestic aviation? For the state and the system as a whole, it is not all good for God.

A very negative role in the development of domestic aviation at the present stage is played by the almost complete absence of competition in the industry. Creating the UAC in 2006, the leadership of the country, presumably, hoped to get an analogue, albeit somewhat simplified and abridged, of the USSR Aviation Industry Ministry. But Mikhail Pogosyan builds the country's aircraft manufacturing industry exclusively by analogy with the American Boeing. This may be very good for him personally - the concentration in one hand of all the full power, financial flows, the right of sole decision-making on almost all issues.

But what is good for Mikhail Pogosyan is not at all good for the aircraft industry and the state as a whole. Since the head of the UAC, as the practice of his work has shown with all clarity, he does not have a state mind, a strategic vision for the development of the industry and the ability to correctly prioritize and highlight the necessary projects. These qualities he just does not. Mikhail Pogosyan kills the competition, projects and topics that he does not like, stifles.

And in the West, aircraft manufacturing corporations are working in conditions of extremely tough competition. This is known to be the engine of progress. And Mikhail Pogosyan has no competitors in the domestic market. There is only the opinion of the head of the KLA and all other opinions, of course, wrong. Everything offered by the KLA will be purchased by Russian military and civilian buyers. Returning to the SSJ, we recall once again that all the forces of the KLA and, by some estimates, more than 70 percent of funding were thrown at it. Meanwhile, before the SSJ in the Tupolev design bureau, the Tu-204 / 214 was developed and launched into mass production, they were close to completing work on the Tu-334. But Mikhail Pogosyan, by his personal decision, chose SSJ.

It is noteworthy that in the special flight squad “Russia”, serving the administration and the Russian president personally, they actively use the Tu-204 and Tu-214 not only in the variant of special boards, but also as ordinary passenger cars. On the basis of the Tu-214 for the needs of the Ministry of Defense created a reconnaissance aircraft with the index "P" and the aircraft for flights under the agreement "Open Skies" - Tu-214OH. At the same time, the SSJ-based backboard is only in the form of unrealized projects (probably, it’s good that only in this form).

All visitors to the office of the museum-museum of the legendary aircraft designer Sergei Vladimirovich Ilyushin pay attention to the layout of the aircraft, reminiscent of the Tu-154 developed by the Tupolev Design Bureau. In fact, it is a medium-haul passenger plane created on the basis of the Il-62, which in its time was a loser of the Tupolev machine. And if you carefully analyze history Soviet aviation industry, the design bureaus were very, very fiercely competing for orders. A leadership Minaviaproma acted as an arbitrator. Now, Mikhail Pogosyan, in the complete absence of competition, alone makes decisions on which projects to give financing and to consider them as priorities, and which ones to give up as unnecessary.

In the West, competition between aircraft manufacturers makes corporate management very carefully pursue financial and credit policies, reducing misuse of funds and not getting involved in risky projects. For example, because of the problems encountered with the batteries of the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, the American corporation suffered significant financial losses. This not only caused disapproving shareholder feedback, but also led to internal investigations and the resignations of a number of company executives. At the same time, KLA in financial maneuvers can allow risky and practically uncontrolled, or even irresponsible credit policy, knowing that the country's leadership, supporting domestic aircraft manufacturers, if necessary, compensates for the losses incurred. And the KLA leadership itself will remain in profit for any development of the situation.

As the main conclusions, it should be said that the development priorities of domestic aviation were incorrectly chosen in the KLA. The only priority for today in the United Aircraft Building Corporation is only one - whether Mikhail Pogosyan personally participated in this or that project. But this is not a state approach. To some extent, this approach may be justified for the management of a separate company, but not for the head of the country's aircraft manufacturing industry.

Thus, the UAC under the leadership of Mikhail Pogosyan was, on the one hand, untenable as a commercial company (just one example is enough - the SSJ project), and on the other hand, it is extremely inefficient as a mechanism for managing the aviation industry in the interests of the state. Such major miscalculations and blunders, we note, educational conversations are not treated. As they said in Soviet times, it is time to strengthen the leadership of the aviation industry. Yes, and to carry out major structural changes in aircraft in general.

In conclusion. As a rule, major statesmen are distinguished by a certain set of qualities - personal modesty, unpretentiousness and unpretentiousness in everyday life, the ability to tactfully behave with subordinates, listen to other opinions and assessments, and stand apart from trifles. This allows them to focus on solving strategic, main tasks. At the same time, regardless of the country and time, this set is practically common for all major leaders. So, this is not about Mikhail Pogosyan.
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  1. +11
    22 May 2014 14: 37
    We constantly walk along the edge of the abyss ...
    And not only in the aircraft industry, I am sure that the collapse will not happen, and here it is not "maybe, I suppose," but the belief that our state will take all steps to establish decent work in this area!
    1. +22
      22 May 2014 16: 00
      Quote: Black and White
      We constantly walk along the edge of the abyss ...
      And not only in the aircraft industry, I am sure that the collapse will not happen, and here it is not "maybe, I suppose," but the belief that our state will take all steps to establish decent work in this area!


      I would add that in addition to "maybe, I suppose, and faith", there are great hopes for the youth.
      Our land has not become scarce on talented guys! Here is a striking example of this:
      Artem Poghosyan, 1986 - since 2005 (at the age of 19, having not yet graduated from the university) he has been working in the JSC "SCA". In just a few years (in 2013), a gifted young man reaches the position of Senior Vice President for Economics and Finance at SCAC.

      There are others, no less talented:

      The eldest son of the Secretary of the Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev, Dmitry - the chairman of the Rosselkhozbank, the eldest son of the head of the presidential administration, Sergey Ivanov, Alexander - the deputy chairman of the VEB, the younger Sergei - the director of the Sogaz, the eldest son of the director of the Foreign Intelligence Service, Mikhail Fradkov, Peter - the deputy chairman of the VEB, the younger Pavel - the deputy chairman of the Federal Property Management Agency .

      I believe we will not be lost with them!
      1. +6
        22 May 2014 18: 03
        Most likely - they will not be lost, and we, so, sideways!
        1. Luzhichanin
          +4
          22 May 2014 19: 41
          Destroyed GO, then the troops, finish off the aviation industry, then what? and how much more is left?

          oh yes, there is an irreplaceable shaman: he reanimated the Civil Defense Ministry in the Ministry of Emergencies, and the RF Armed Forces magically turned him into polite people, now it’s time to take up aviation as well - we are waiting for flying saucers !!! all the more so since the upcoming creation of a new type of troops of the East Kazakhstan region has been announced, so that the plates will be sure, if not cool request

          although there is no health care, wait, he "restores?", education is also still finishing off the remnants ...
      2. bilgesez
        +4
        22 May 2014 18: 10
        They probably won’t disappear, and they probably have a second citizenship - Israeli.
    2. +2
      22 May 2014 18: 34
      Quote: Black and White
      our state will take all steps to establish decent work in this area!

      The bad news is that we have all hopes only for the President, and he is not a holy spirit, he can’t keep everything in his head and generate offers in all sectors. And it’s not possible to get the government to work.
  2. +12
    22 May 2014 14: 40
    He’ll be worse than Serdyukov.
    1. +13
      22 May 2014 15: 38
      Quote: Barboskin
      He’ll be worse than Serdyukov.


      Clearly, like a day!
      The scheme has been worked out. First, a sluggish criminal case will be initiated for three years, then they will smoothly move on to the formation of charges, then the court is "the most humane", and then, you see, the roots from the top will help out - an amnesty for economic crimes will be announced. )))
      But the final collapse of the aircraft industry at the most critical moment will prevent another "hero without fear and reproach"! And everyone is happy.
      1. not good
        +3
        22 May 2014 16: 00
        It’s a pity Pogosyan’s fate will not concern Serdyukov, but I would like that I would answer in full! And the aviation industry should be disaggregated as soon as possible, so that there would be competition and ludi who would be responsible for the result, and not for the development of state funds.
        1. +3
          22 May 2014 16: 06
          Quote: Negoro
          It’s a pity Pogosyan’s fate will not touch Serdyukov


          Is this such a joke of humor?
        2. +10
          22 May 2014 16: 11
          Quote: Negoro
          And the aviation industry must be disaggregated


          I suppose that if it is disaggregated and privatized, then we will not have the aviation industry at all, because our "partners" will buy everything soon. The aviation industry as a strategic direction must be under the full control of the state. As for the development - the owner is needed for this direction. The owner, in the sense of not a master, but a leader, a professional worker!
        3. +9
          22 May 2014 16: 40
          20 years ago, as we have disaggregated, we still cannot recover. So, for example, the Saratov aircraft plant died. Aircraft production is not retail, which would hope for competition.
        4. +1
          22 May 2014 18: 37
          At one time "noted" Poghosyan as a "pest"! Not potential, of course, just Serdyukovism was not only in the MO! I was "minus"! But time has put everything in its place! I will repeat once more - I failed, go away! Stole - you'll sit down! Or am I wrong ?! Let's call a spade a spade - the snow will still remain white!
          1. not good
            0
            23 May 2014 21: 00
            Sorry, I didn’t formulate the idea correctly. It’s not the aviation industry that needs to be disaggregated, but the KLA. And of course, the Soviet competition between the design bureaus must be returned, and for this they must be equal and independent.
  3. +11
    22 May 2014 14: 41
    A lot of words, and the essence - a little bit. We need direct government contracts with production, and disperse the entire fat-free superstructure. Released millions again sent to production. And all the reports that the UAC stamps can be made by two girls in the ministry through the aviation industry.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +12
      22 May 2014 15: 48
      Quote: MOISEY
      A lot of words, but the essence is a little


      This is the whole charm. Whoever has brains, he knows and understands everything anyway, and whoever has "entim prolong", then .... what to do .. such a selyava wassat
      And if everything was clear in ESSENCE, then you can ... thunder to the fanfare ... it's just for the "elected" .. not the 37th year wassat
      Article +++! Unambiguously and, by the way, in the article we change the name of the UAC to KRET and .. one to one .. only the salaries of the "rank-and-file" staff are much less, and the management somewhere .. much more!
    2. +10
      22 May 2014 15: 49
      Why the hell is this UAC needed? A lot of design bureaus worked in the Union, which competed among themselves and produced world-class products. The concentration of all material resources in the same hands does not bode well for the industry.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +6
        22 May 2014 15: 54
        Quote: Grenader
        Why the hell is this UAC needed?


        Each person has their own "toys" .... for some, for example, their favorites are the WTO and the UAC and in general ... state corporations recourse
        1. +8
          22 May 2014 17: 10
          Quote: vaf
          Each person has their own "toys" .... for some, for example, their favorites are the WTO and the UAC and in general ... state corporations


          For a long time, I've only been talking about the "successes" of Roscosmos, it is impossible to do so that the corporate interests of the same monopolist are presented as state ones. 10 years ago, the creation of state corporations and the unification of the remains of design bureaus and production facilities with funding from the state budget was a necessary measure to keep afloat what is left, now you need to go further, based on the Soviet experience when several "firms" competed for the state order ... But you don't want to lose toys to someone, it's too easy when there is no dripping over you and the responsibility is almost zero, like a grandmother from a joke well, I didn’t, I didn’t do it ... so here too ...
          Perminov and Popovkin brought space to the handle, Serdyukov against them is just a boy and nothing, all the way through ... I’m not very much in the subject with Pogosyan, but people who are deeply immersed in it adhere to this view mainly ...
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +4
            22 May 2014 17: 14
            Quote: Ascetic
            I am not very much in the subject with Poghosyan, but people who are deeply immersed in it adhere to just such a view mainly ...


            Stanislav, you have the right people you know and their views .. right !!! drinks
            I koment there to you (for the first time I did not agree with you belay wink drinks unsubscribed .. in "2 opinions") .. "come in" wink
            1. lars
              +1
              23 May 2014 17: 11
              And I am a little "in the subject" of Rosvertol in the line of the object special prosecutor's office. The picture is the same! We have a Great Crisis: in minds, in souls, in hearts.
      2. 0
        22 May 2014 22: 07
        Quote: Grenader
        A lot of design bureaus worked in the Union, which competed among themselves and produced world-class products. The concentration of all material resources in the same hands does not bode well for the industry.

        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Министерство_авиационной_промышленности_СССР
        Quote: Grenader
        Why the hell is this UAC needed?

        For the same reason why the Union was Minaviaprom.
      3. evil hamster
        0
        23 May 2014 01: 28
        Hammer in Yandex MAP USSR, you will discover a lot for yourself a lot.
  4. +6
    22 May 2014 14: 41
    It is necessary to revive the Stalinist system in the aviation industry - several design bureaus are competing in the development of promising projects ... The system worked and yielded results up to space exploration, and people were punished for the falling planes (and now rockets) ...
    1. Ivan Petrovich
      +2
      22 May 2014 16: 27
      the current government, in principle, cannot create the conditions for the production of a high-tech product! it’s much easier to pull the pipe in all directions! planes will rivet in china, and for us too.
      and yesterday's joyful hamsters are silent about the next pipeline to China
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +6
        22 May 2014 17: 03
        Quote: Ivan Petrovich
        and yesterday's joyful hamsters are silent about the next pipeline to China


        And this is like with beer .. the foam settled and .... it turns out to be a "bodyaga". tsifirki begin to "leak" from official sources. which beat back rags in the face of all "leavened patriots". For example .... it turns out not China gives credit for the construction of a gas pipeline, but "invests" only 22 lard in the form of an investment project (and 100 pounds, these 22 lards are included in the total contract value of 400 lard). And here we are laying out our 55 lard ... so for us the price of the contract is no longer 400, but 455 lard, well, etc.
        Plus 38 lard cubes will be available only in 5 years, while the gay ropa "consumes" 200 lard cubes annually ... and so on. etc.
        Any sane person understands that this contract is yes .. for us it was beneficial only when the price for it would be 400 Baku and higher (for 1000 cubic meters of course), and so .. only from the hopelessness that came from .... well because of this, it has come .. (here is the fable of Grandfather Krylov .. QUARTET).
        And then the complaints "went" that I humiliate and .. "offend" the President request
        so .. some interjections !!! drinks
        1. +1
          22 May 2014 19: 20
          for example .... it turns out not China gives a loan for the construction of a gas pipeline, but "invests" in the form of an investment project only 22 lard (and 100 pounds of these 22 lard are included in the total cost of the 400 lard contract). and here we are laying out our 55 lard. ..then for us the contract price is no longer 400, but 455 lard, and so on.


          What surprises you? The buyer of the goods (China) gives money on credit for the construction of a "store" (a pipe of Gazprom), exaggerated. We want to sell gas, buy China, why should it pay for the construction of a pipe in Russia? And it's good if the loan is given in gas, not $.
          If you decide to open a store where you will take money, or use savings, or a loan from a bank, but not like you would not borrow from future buyers.

          1. Geography and technical characteristics of the project.

          1.1 The main parameters of the project.
          According to the project, the Altai gas pipeline will be connected to the Purpeyskaya compressor station of the existing Urengoy-Surgut gas pipeline, that is, to the well-known Urengoyskoye field.
          The gas pipeline will pass successively through the territory of the Yamalo-Nenets and Khanty-Mansiysk national districts, from Surgut to Tomsk, Kuzbass, Novosibirsk, Barnaul, Biysk. In the Biysk area, it will cross the Ob along an underground corridor and leave in the direction of Belokurikha - the Peschanaya river - n.p. Tenge and further, along the Chuysky highway, crossing Katun, it will pass to Kosh-Agach, not reaching all 50 km to Tashanta, which is near the border with Mongolia, after which it will sharply leave the beaten track, turn south-west and through 100 km off-road Chui steppe and river barriers will reach the Ukok plateau, and through it to the Russian-Chinese pass Kanas.
          There, after 300 km, it will reach the city of Urumqi and will flow into the Chinese "West-East" pipeline, through which gas will reach Shanghai.
          The pipeline will be made of pipes with a diameter of 1420 mm, in a "single-thread and two-thread" design, with a pressure in the pipes from 75 to 98 atmospheres. The length of the Russian section of the route is 2622 km.
          The pipeline will cross upland marshes, tundra, permafrost territories and mountain passes at heights reaching 2600 m, while, according to the project, it will cross river barriers many times through underground corridors.
          For safe operation of the gas pipeline, it will be laid in a trench design, mainly without going above the ground, to a depth of 0,5-1m. It is planned to use cold-resistant steel in the permafrost zone, and gas pumped in the Yamal zone will be cooled by a special station to negative temperatures. In other places, pipe insulation is provided. When crossing rivers, it is planned to duplicate the route, as antiseismic measures, seismic protection structures are planned.
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            22 May 2014 21: 56
            Quote: anfil
            What surprises you? The buyer of the goods (China) gives money on credit for the construction of a "store" (a pipe of Gazprom), exaggerated. We want to sell gas, buy China, why should it pay for the construction of a pipe in Russia? And it's good if the loan is given in gas, not $.


            This, by the way, does not surprise me at all. but on the contrary, it pleases. the construction of the pipe at the expense of the buyer is a guarantee that if there is force majeure or the buyer "jumps", then we will not be in the span wink
            Therefore, here is only a plus, and to give it away with gas ... the same plus, because this is a "national property" (or rather ... NOT a property, since I hope you don't get any preferences on the sly wink)
            It's just that the terms of the contract are very "straining". The volumes and price belay , and then there’s the cancellation of MET ... I hope you understand what this means? wink
            The next step after that .. give only for nothing or pay extra. What would they take (bitter sarcasm).
            Point 1. I carefully read .. the volume of work is colossal. Who would argue drinks
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      2. 0
        22 May 2014 17: 15
        In your opinion, the gas and oil industry is a pipe to the "pool" and a pump to pump it? What a primitive look at an entire industry that not all countries in the world can pull ...
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +1
          22 May 2014 17: 37
          Quote: Samurai3X
          In your opinion, the gas and oil industry is


          In my opinion, this is what you listed. This is our EVERYTHING !!! Well, and even so a little bit on the little things. In military aviation and in space.
          And what does the industry and the DECISIONS and ACTIONS of the country's leadership have to do with it? request
          You at least read komenty..chto at least somehow oppose? wassat
        2. +1
          22 May 2014 18: 49
          Quote: Samurai3X
          In your opinion, the gas and oil industry is a pipe to the "pool" and a pump to pump it? What a primitive view of an entire industry, which not all countries of the world can pull...


          Well, Russia does not pull. In the best case, we finish off the equipment and technologies that remained from the USSR. At worst, we go to "foreigners".

          slon.ru/business/tseny_na_neft_krakh_ili_letargicheskiy_son-1074521.xhtml


          And this is not only in the oil and gas complex.
    2. Alf
      +4
      22 May 2014 16: 28
      Quote: Altona
      It is necessary to revive the Stalinist system in the aviation industry - several design bureaus are competing in the development of promising projects ... The system worked and yielded results up to space exploration, and people were punished for the falling planes (and now rockets) ...
  5. +7
    22 May 2014 14: 42
    If all this stated in the article is true, then the Russian government needs to make organizational conclusions as soon as possible. Under Stalin, they were shot for this, and under the current regime we’ll be wondering whether they will take it away or not, and if they don’t take it away, then how much it paid off, that's the prose of life today.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +7
      22 May 2014 15: 51
      Quote: Thought Giant
      If all this stated in the article is true, then the Russian government needs to make organizational conclusions as soon as possible.


      The article is true, the RF Government ... "is not aware of this" (according to the President) .. so .. "report" wassat , only 2 what side "do you have this" report "then .." will come out "did not you think? lol
  6. Arh
    -2
    22 May 2014 14: 43
    We are going industrial techno development, Forward Russia !!!
  7. +6
    22 May 2014 14: 43
    in the meantime
    PAK FA program successfully launched weapons testing
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/860524.html
  8. +6
    22 May 2014 14: 49
    All this has long been known, it is a pity the president does not want to see and understand, or he has no time, the corporation Poghosyan and K, the direct path to the complete decline of the aviation industry, the clan of robbers in action.
    1. +6
      22 May 2014 15: 54
      Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
      the corporation Poghosyan and K, the direct path to the complete decline of the aviation industry, the clan of robbers in action.


      No matter how part of the clan ...
  9. Roshchin
    +7
    22 May 2014 14: 58
    I have never seen this "Superjet" at the St. Petersburg airport. Passengers are carried by new and old Boeings, Airbuses and several An-148s.
    1. +4
      22 May 2014 15: 44
      Quote: Grove
      I have never seen this "Superjet" at the St. Petersburg airport. Passengers are carried by new and old Boeings, Airbuses and several An-148s.


      And I flew on it))) A plane, like a plane.
  10. IvanT
    +3
    22 May 2014 15: 07
    Water!!!! without real facts.

    Dear author! Whose order are you fulfilling? !!
    1. +9
      22 May 2014 15: 48
      Quote: IvanT
      Water!!!! without real facts.

      Dear author! Whose order are you fulfilling? !!


      Pentagon Brussels. Of course the order. Enemies are all alone. And so here - "There will be happiness for people, Happiness for centuries; The Kremlin Power has great Power!" ... Three-fold Hurray, gentlemen!
      And enemies, too, are leading to Serdyukov! Such a good person, such a sweetie with gov.nom mixed!
  11. +6
    22 May 2014 15: 07
    Tu 334 is an analogue of the Super Jet - pounded on the vine. The plane flies, there are certificates, just issue. This is a half of TU 204, which is still being produced - no - the Super Jet needs to be promoted. He has 80% of imported parts - the sanctions will drive him into the ground. No, it is necessary. Who. ??? Russia ???? And what the government, I want to ask, Where is it looking. ??? Apparently on the passes of our oligarchs, who, like hypnotists, the government is obmuring. Come on, brothers, they "put shoes on" you.
    1. +5
      22 May 2014 15: 56
      In order to understand how this car would be sold, just look at how its older brother Tu-204 was sold.
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  13. +10
    22 May 2014 15: 35
    Poghosyan, being the head of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, was not noticed among those who actively contribute to the development of the company. All that was created under him was the achievements of the Soviet era, and here they gave him a significantly larger site. Poghosyan is the trouble of the aviation industry.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +3
      22 May 2014 17: 04
      Quote: Bob0859
      Poghosyan - this is TROUBLE aviation industry.

      "Last name"is a trouble"industry". Modern ErEf formula.
  14. +2
    22 May 2014 15: 37
    So yes, Poghosyan had already eaten up, it would be time for him to retire, I think the special services are already preparing him a pension, he instantly dies to the mud, he’ll die, and the bottom line is that we have nothing to wash!
  15. +2
    22 May 2014 15: 52
    until they hang, they will steal. Similar activities, a direct threat to the life of the state.
  16. +2
    22 May 2014 15: 57
    I wonder why this does not surprise anyone? And simpler - a vivid illustration of the saying about the garden and the goat! angry Well, you are in the know!
  17. +6
    22 May 2014 15: 57
    But in the era of the USSR he was a good designer, but as usual, where money starts, talents die there. Superjet is not an airplane, but a "commercial project", so it doesn't fly too much. And Tu-334 flew well and was purely "our".
  18. Backfire
    +8
    22 May 2014 15: 59
    Quote: IvanT
    Water!!!! without real facts.

    Dear author! Whose order are you fulfilling? !!

    _________________________________
    Everything is correctly written, here is still http://www.aex.ru/news/2014/2/17/116977/
    I myself work in aviation, and Poghosyan for count.
    1. +2
      22 May 2014 16: 16
      Quote: Backrfire
      Everything is written correctly


      Sold to the Americans? am am am

      Catch him sooner before he gets lost in the 5th column. He is an agent of the State Department !!! laughing laughing laughing
      1. +3
        22 May 2014 19: 47
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        Sold to the Americans?

        I’ll honestly say, I don’t know, Senor Poghosyan sold out to the Americans or did not sell out. He somehow did not report to me about it. The State Department, however, too ...
        But still, I’m damn interested in one thing-Veshch (I’ve asked this question for the past time, but I still can’t get an exhaustive and plausible answer to it) - for what such merits did the ruling seniors from Rome bestow the Order of Merit to the Italian Republic to Senor Poghosyan...
        1. +1
          22 May 2014 21: 42
          Quote: Chicot 1

          Honestly, I don’t know, Senor Poghosyan sold out


          No, I didn’t mean Poghosyan. It just became funny when articles or comments criticizing the existing order go like this:

          Quote: IvanT


          Dear author! Whose order are you fulfilling? !!


          And about:
          for what such merits did the ruling seniors from Rome awarded Senor Poghosyan the Order of Merit to the Italian Republic ??? ... really interesting.
  19. +5
    22 May 2014 16: 05
    It’s necessary to drive and plant these Pagosyan and his ilk. The country of miracles of Vars and crooks-people rob robbed bastards such as Serdyuv and Panosyanius and for this they are given orders and other benefits.
  20. +9
    22 May 2014 16: 26
    Mom dear! Do we have only one aviation industry on the edge of the abyss? Everywhere we throw, there are holes that can be patched and patched. And one of the reasons for this situation, I emphasize, is one, but not the only one, it is a failure with personnel in almost all directions. Take engineers, for example. The myth "about the high level of education of the Russian population" - turned out to be a MYTH.
    The quality of engineering education (and other education - legal, economic - is not needed for the production of fucking), and so, the quality of engineering education in Russia over the past 20 years has slipped into full expectancy - to the level of Uganda and Tanzania.
    Uganda also has a University with a "Faculty of Engineering". It prepares specialists for ..... MAINTENANCE and SERVICE of western technology (oil change, filters, fuse replacement ....), but no more. Our engineering education has become about the same in 20 years.
    And if we add to this the habit of our students to poke the professor and associate professor five hundred re invested in the record book and the habit of associate professors to TAKE these bribes, then our "engineers" are no longer able to even change the FILTERS with OIL (not to mention the fuses).
    So pick up with such air and other prom.
    1. 0
      22 May 2014 17: 26
      It depends on which universities to take ... There are some, but there are others.
      The bribery problem has always been and always will be. The only question is the size of the phenomenon. Under the USSR, the phenomenon was small and took the form of gifts (cognac, etc.).
      Now it’s getting worse, but you’ve completely gone into the wilds ... They compared with Uganda.
      Uganda launches new tanks? Aircraft? Radar? Prevention of nuclear charges? NPP construction? Nuclear plant operation? Programmers win international programming olympiads? Moreover, the developments are new, specialists are not all ancient elders who do not understand how they are in this world.
      Do not exaggerate.
      And if you do not believe me, then here is the first link
      http://www.ifmo.ru/event/3088/
      It turns out that year after year they win ...
  21. +7
    22 May 2014 16: 37
    Mikhail Poghosyan completely abandoned the development of small regional aviation. In this case we are talking about cars with a capacity of 10–70 passengers. Aircraft of this type are the only means of ensuring transport accessibility to remote regions of such a country as our homeland.

    The last time I flew to Ak-Dovurak (Tuva) from Krasnoyarsk in 1993. Now in the airport building is a Buddhist temple. Now we can only be reached by car along the dead road.
    Although it would be - 400 km and at home, go now, get there. From the nearest city is Abaza, 238 km along the Sayan mountains.
    That's the whole regional aviation.
  22. +2
    22 May 2014 16: 51
    I would like to hope that their cup of retribution will not pass, sooner or later, we can only wish them everything, they say words and thoughts are material, maybe they will come true, for them and their offspring.
  23. +2
    22 May 2014 17: 07
    And the end of the region to this mess in the aviation industry is not visible.
  24. 0
    22 May 2014 17: 12
    Poghosyan became president of the UAC since February 2011. Before that, apparently, the industry was flourishing and smelled. For three years, many "respected" comrades (weaned from the trough) remained outside the gates of the factories. Hence, so many angry articles.
  25. typhoon7
    +4
    22 May 2014 17: 17
    Respect to the author, well done that he wrote everything as it is and it makes no sense to argue, the USSR, sanctioned by the sanctions, let out the entire line of aircraft from and to, which the richest country in the world could afford, not burdened with any sanctions, it was the United States. Now, having non-heavenly oil revenues, we are heading to the fact that we will produce a couple of semi-finished products and the cheapest part of them. The situation requires an early correction.
  26. 0
    22 May 2014 17: 22
    Comrades don’t need to get angry, the article is most likely custom-made, to see Poghosyan is seriously hindering someone. And in Soviet times there was no competition between the design bureaus, everyone did what they ordered and only occasionally held contests, and at the same time, the same Tupolev managed to cram his plane around a competitor, despite the fact that the car was worse and declared in those. task specifications did not match.
  27. andrey903
    +4
    22 May 2014 17: 25
    Poghosyan has a family, Armenian business. Sukhoi workers say that his sons walk around the plant in support of numerous armed guards
  28. -1
    22 May 2014 17: 27
    What plant can be specified?
  29. INFOLegioner
    +2
    22 May 2014 18: 21
    Under the Soviets, there has always been a system of competition between the KB. But under Capitalism, now some kind of monopoly system is obtained. Although, logically, it should be exactly the opposite. Funny situation. And in the mind and heart - competition makes us look and move, and monopoly teaches us to destroy competitors. hi
  30. vedross
    0
    22 May 2014 18: 25
    Only the new NKVD will save Russia!
  31. +1
    22 May 2014 19: 44
    It is necessary to create ministries in key high-tech areas ... Raise managers of the industry as a whole ... and not give up the direction to immigrants from one design bureau, albeit a very deserved one.
  32. +5
    22 May 2014 19: 53
    So that no one speaks in the discussion of this article, but you can’t argue against the facts of our lack of domestic aircraft industry. Super jet is, in my opinion, a Chinese homemade product in Russian conditions. And really, neither in aviation nor in space is there an order.
    1. Fiero
      0
      23 May 2014 00: 15
      Chinese homemade is soon An-148, moreover, wretched and absolutely unnecessary already for anyone. From here everything and nabrosy na Poghosyan.
      Many "experts" and journalists were torn away from the trough during the construction of the SSJ-100, hence the fierce hatred.
      It’s bad that the MC-21 doesn’t scold everyone, it’s a very bad sign, it means they decided to feed these dregs of writing well-known articles for prizes from the old oligarch Boguslaev, and only Ukraine lives off the bill.
  33. +3
    22 May 2014 20: 14
    Quote: Hal_Valera
    And in Soviet times there was no competition between design bureaus,

    Just do not la la! How was this no competition? And how was the Kalashnikov assault rifle adopted? Only after winning the competition. What about Makarov’s pistol? Also following the results of the competition. On this very site on this issue (about the competition of weapons designers) there are so many materials that it’s even ridiculous to refute this nonsense!
  34. +3
    22 May 2014 20: 35
    Quote: Barboskin
    He’ll be worse than Serdyukov.


    And what happened to Serdyukov? Awarded the Order?
  35. Fiero
    +1
    23 May 2014 00: 32
    And in the West, aircraft manufacturing corporations operate in extremely fierce competition. This, as you know, is the engine of progress.

    Ahaha, shame was completely lost. laughing
    Who does the Boeing compete with in the USA? With whom does the Airbus compete in Europe?
    All independent producers in Europe either left the market (like Avro), or were cynically killed by Airbus himself. Like Fokker or Dornier. With the full approval of the European Commission. Well, in the USA, even Douglas will not be recalled.
    To compete with civil aircraft manufacturers in our country is to kill the aviation industry ...
    It would be nice if all those who write and approve of these postulates to collect on Tiananmen Square wassat
  36. Fiero
    +2
    23 May 2014 00: 40
    It is he brought domestic aviation to the brink of disaster.
    __________________________________________________________

    Means issue 6 aircraft per year was not a disaster and issue 60 - the brink of disaster?
    Before the formation of the UAC, then our aviation enterprises flourished!
    Annual doubling civilian aircraft release is a bad result?




    SSJ program was economically untenable.
    _____________________________________________________________

    And what project in the aircraft industry becomes economically viable 3 years after the start of mass production?



    According to the canons of business planning, if the project after five years does not bring profit, not to mention the growth of losses, it is closed.

    __________________________________________________________________

    And again, complete nonsense. Airbus 20 years brought losses.