Southeast: it will be too late to understand

The previously published material “Ukraine: I mourn, but I do not understand” had many responses of a very different nature. This material is a logical and logical continuation.

To my great regret, there seemed to be too much truth in that article. And today's appeal of Igor Strelkov is the best confirmation of this.

Everything remains in the same positions. Strelkov's small army (unequivocally unrelated to the Southeast) continues to successfully repel the attacks of the junta forces. By my own, I will stress it. And, unfortunately, these forces actually have no relation to the Donbass.

Moreover, from his speech clearly traced the moment that the newly appeared authorities of the DNR and the LC, to put it mildly, do not care about what is happening in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. His cares enough.

Of course, the fact that the Strelkova army pulled off almost all the capable forces of the junta and made it possible to hold referendums is fine. The referendum was held, and, with the exception of Mariupol and Krasnoarmeysk, bloodless.

However, you have to pay for everything. And for the blood and the lives of the defenders of Slavyansk, too.

But it seems that the principle “my hut is on the edge” is fundamental in modern Ukraine. About the fact that the debt is as beautiful as payment, the main majority of Donbass residents also prefer not to remember. Apparently, no need. They did their job - they voted. The rest is a headache of Pushilin, Strelkov and others. And paying, especially with our blood, is clearly not in the principles of modern Ukraine. However, it will have, no matter how cool.

Moreover, those whose direct responsibility should be the formation of the army of Donbass, protection and sweeping of nationalist evil spirits beyond the borders of their newly formed republic (republics) are for some reason more concerned with ministerial movements and rallies. This is me about Tsareva and others. And Strelkov continues to fight. For whom, is the question. It seems to be for the residents of Donbass.

Wicked speech. Fair. On the verge of despair. And, unfortunately, confirming what was said earlier: the majority of Donbass residents absolutely do not want to fight for their independence. Rally - yes. Referendum - yes. But to fight - no. This is visible to the naked eye.

Internet blunted stinging remarks about Strelkova. I will not even bring them. The only thing there is true: if the people of Donbass do not want to help Strelkov by their direct participation in the hostilities, this means only the following: what the Strelkov does is not necessary for the people. Therefore, no one supports it. Fighting - so be it. And we will thresh our shovel, for it is closer.

Has it never come to that? Are the words and deeds of Kolomoisky not enough?

Is it really necessary to process a couple of townships “Gradami”, break the army of Strelkov, disperse all the militia, so that the people of Donbass finally understand something?

Expelled to the central squares of cities, put on their knees (for some reason, supporters of the Kiev junta especially love and practice), drive them to mines and factories, and then take hryvnias for the army, 200 for the National Guard and 100 for the restoration of the Maidan from their salaries? So come? Maybe. Only it will be too late. And perhaps this will be exactly the option that suits everyone.

And who will be guilty of everything? That's right, Russia. Which did not send their sons to die under the National Guard under bullets. Which did not help her son Strelkov with any machine gun or cartridge. Obviously at least. But which will be to blame entirely.

To free one who wants freedom is a holy cause. To help the fallen rise - too. But it seems that the fallen and unfree it is not really necessary. They would pay on time, and lower payments. And to fight - let those who are supposed to do it.

I didn’t want, oh, how I wouldn’t like my comrades to try on the crown of Che Guevara. Let's see what will happen next.

In my other material “Russians do not abandon their war”, I expressed this postulate. Many agreed with me. Later, when the “Ukraine: I mourn but do not understand” material came out, many of those who agreed agreed to put on my mind some differences of opinion.

I repeat: RUSSIANS IN THE WAR OF THEIR DON'T THROW.

Another question, where are your own? Those who work quietly, earning their own hryvnia and dollars to Kolomoisky? It seems not. Who joins the militia to get weapon on your goals? Also no. Who is quietly sitting at home and waiting for everything to end? So who are they?

Citizens of free Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics! Time is running out. It will soon be understood soon. It only remains to grieve.

Comments

[bubalik]

But it seems that the principle of “my hut from the edge” is fundamental in modern Ukraine.

Listening to Strelkova. Opinion from Ukraine. My friends in the same Kramatorsk as it were recorded in the militia from the very first days. Not youngsters. It is full of adults. However, no one is in a hurry to take them into battle squads, to arm and lead on the enemy. For repeated appeals there was only one question: “Do you have experience of military operations?” From where, excuse me, did he have to come from the inhabitants of Ukraine, who had never fought with anyone? The result - sit at home and wait. With a rather categorical parting words: “Do not meddle. There will be a need - let's call. ”

,,, two articles in a row with a diametrical opinion Roman, in one you show volunteers, in the other they don’t seem to be there, how to figure out such an array of incoming information (media, internet, social networks) ,,,,

[Saratovets]

Shooters and says that a lot of people in the Donbass former warriors and militias are torn mainly those who are now useless to them! moreover, it is harmful because among untrained people there will be big losses, but it still affects morale.
If Strelkov had half a year to prepare, he would take almost everyone, for half a year you can train the pain less decently, in principle, you can drive the basics even in a month .. but only if you have competent commanders and time))
You can also recruit commanders from Russia, but they will later say that it’s their fault. We need a serious percentage of local commanders.

[Just]

No need to recruit anyone from Russia, this is not our war. It’s not us who indulged the Nazis for 20 years, but the Ukrainians, let them pay themselves. Help with money, weapons, ammunition, communications, etc. possible and necessary, but no more.

[Oleg1964]

Of course, we didn’t allow the thief, the drunk, 23 years ago to take power, and then washed ourselves with blood in the Caucasus, Transnistria, and Tajikistan. And the salaries were counted in the killed raccoons. pounded helmets on the bridge while we watched Moscow events on TV. And now my cottage is on the edge. It's a shame, it's a shame for the state ..

[97110]

I am ashamed, it’s a shame for the state .. So blow to where the locals are not ashamed - they are waiting for you. And they use it either there or here. But Russia has problems above the roof, and you haven’t conducted your idiotic things. Che, with pin-dos to fight the hunt? Wait a moment, you’ll climb the banner at the capitol. In addition to idiots, innocent children are growing in the country. Stop for a second - they need it so that neither dad nor mom are left alive and the coals instead of the house.

[His]

Flag change

[weaver85]

You, 97110, stuck to sobriety a substitution - Capitol Hill in the United States.
We are talking about repelling the Sun Banderas on the territory of Ukraine, and not an invasion of an overseas state. The Yankes are already fighting at our home, in the "mother of Russian cities".
And without your snot, houses were turned into coal, and children became orphans at the hands of inhumane nationalists.

[Alone]

Do you want to change your place of residence!? P-n-do-s-ske just right.

[raf]

By the way, in Moscow the miners of Kuzbass pounded helmets on the pavement, and not the Donbass, which by that time was part of an independent Hohland !!!

[Wanderer H7]

No need to recruit anyone from Russia, this is not our war. It’s not us who indulged the Nazis for 20 years, but the Ukrainians, let them pay themselves. Help with money, weapons, ammunition, communications, etc. possible and necessary, but no more.

So then it may be so, but what if all the same the junta wins? a hostile Nazi Ichkeria is formed, over 2000 km of borders then ... I'm afraid then much more will die for us ...

[PM74]

Unfortunately, what the author explains didn’t reach you. This is our war. General. The war of the Russian-speaking, I do not intentionally use. about the war) ours simply do not have time to get involved. And it saves because such a people can endure a lot. Because it is very patient. But now. if they (we) do not want to endure bullying, they do not want to humiliate them (ours) history, identity must be helped. Not only by what you have listed, but also by volunteers (and, believe me, there are not so many of them) But all this will be useless if the inhabitants of the Southeast do not say their weighty word (Militarily)

[Basarev]

Personally, I am ready even today to come forward to help the riflemen. Only no one knows the way there.

[Chaika]

The road there through the Crimea. But listen again to Igor Strelkov’s appeal to the people of Donbas. Very bitter to hear it !!!! Listen and think!

[52]

The seeker will find, my friend! Or, as they used to say, the T-34 will bring you to Kiev, because if you are a captain-rip-off, then you will volunteer for the war, and Louis Boussinard to you for the glory of your deeds. And if the Motherland orders "to sit and not rock the boat, we have a different game"? And how will your presence in the outfits of the Russian Volunteer look like?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Basarev

Only no one knows the way there.

"Language will bring to Kiev!"

[fon_Stierlitz]

But we know that mom just won’t let you go

[RADIK]

One thing I don’t understand. We are shouting slogans "Russians do not abandon their own", and then "this is not our war ..." There are many articles about chess in Ukraine. It turns out that they took the Crimea without chess. They just took them away and said that we were not abandoning our own people. And that now Novorossia is not ours. And then why are we shouting that we need to fight against fascism all together. So we must initially say that this is all an internal affair of Ukraine. Many professional volunteers are asked to give them a corridor for crossing the border with Ukraine. Babay has already directly asked for help with weapons. But why can America put a big deal on everyone and do its own thing - supply specialists, open CIA work, supply of armored vehicles and optics. And we make excuses to them that our troops are not there. After a certain time, no one will need this chess, and it turns out that we are defending Russians selectively.

[RADIK]

One thing I don’t understand. We are shouting slogans "Russians do not abandon their own", and then "this is not our war ..." There are many articles about chess in Ukraine. It turns out that they took the Crimea without chess. They just took them away and said that we were not abandoning our own people. And that now Novorossia is not ours. And then why are we shouting that we need to fight against fascism all together. So we must initially say that this is all an internal affair of Ukraine. Many professional volunteers are asked to give them a corridor for crossing the border with Ukraine. Babay has already directly asked for help with weapons. But why can America put a big deal on everyone and do its own thing - supply specialists, open CIA work, supply of armored vehicles and optics. And we make excuses to them that our troops are not there. After a certain time, no one will need this chess, and it turns out that we are defending Russians selectively.

[aleks700]

We indulged. They did not pay attention and indulged in this. Well, not the Russians themselves, but the governments. The Americans were not idle and this is the result. Now this is OUR war.

[biznaw]

Natsiks in Ukraine were not 20 years old but 200, under Soviet rule, that we ate them fat ... Read Solzhenitsyn, who, even under the Communists, foresaw the betrayal of Ukrainians. No need to save them. Better without them.

[Monk]

totally agree

[Setrac]

Quote: Saratovets

If Strelkov had half a year to prepare, he would have taken almost everyone

Half a year has already passed since the beginning of all these events, the first militias would have completed their preparations.

[woron333444]

no need to dissemble, yet three months is not. Probably were sure that everyone would get up, but it turned out to wait for help from uncle easier and calmer

[avia1991]

??? That is, Strelkov is to blame for coming late ?! Please express your thoughts more clearly

[yankeegohome]

It was these "inconvenient" questions that the people asked our "inmates in the SBU," as they were called among themselves. And people came and asked questions, "How long?" During this time, that it was useless to sit, it was possible to prepare your own special forces. As a joke, of course. But everything was answered that there are people smarter than yours and when it is necessary they will tell you. Classmates said that even from their mine people went to Luhansk to join the militia, they spilled a day in the city, they, roughly speaking, were sent and people said that more figs would go where. But this is all about the LPR. I think the situation with the DPR is about the same. The feeling that all the tricks with the DPR and LPR are someone's diabolical game, and the Shooter is generally something separate. One plus in all this is such a mess and confusion, an additional confirmation that there is clearly "not the hand of Moscow." Otherwise, everything would be different. But that doesn't make it any easier.

[Ludoger]

I subscribe to every word. In the DPR, everything is exactly so, to this day inclusive (((((

[His]

It is believed that the DPR is a game of local oligarchs to show Kiev a place. Some kind of quiet independence is coming out of them. They wanted to drag Russia in, until it worked out. And that’s what. Of course, I am not against the strong actions of the state. But is it worth it?

[kenig1]

there, two years go by, or do you think so famously?

[vladimirZ]

My friends in the same Kramatorsk were, as it were, recorded in the militia from the very first days. Not youngsters. Quite adult people. However, no one is in a hurry to take them into combat squads, arm and lead the enemy. On repeated appeals was ... (at home from the sofa)

Those who really want to join the ranks of defenders, for those there are no barriers, and those who do not want this, he is looking for an excuse for his inaction and ... he sits at home.

[cosmos111]

Quote: vladimirZ

Those who really want to join the ranks of defenders, for those there are no barriers, and those who do not want this, he is looking for an excuse for his inaction and ... he sits at home.

I don’t want to give this example, but will pass ...

how the Chechen fighters and the population acted in the XNUMXst Chechen ....
all as one stood up and began to fight, with the Russian army, and before that they cut out almost 50 thousand, Russians in Grozny and throughout Chechnya ....

The Russians then, too, sat in the huts-houses and did not think to oppose the Chechen bandits and unite --- my hut will not pass for me --- they came !!!!
how it all ended everyone knows Russian in Chechnya now 00000 ((((

Bandera will do the same; many will be cut out; they will burn the others; they will make them work almost free of charge on the broom of KALomoysky, PARASHAenko and other aligarchs !!!!

[bandabas]

They sat like that because they hoped for the Law and were afraid that they would be responsible for violating the Law (as normal law-abiding people). And when everything became clear, it was too late. But. In general, cosmos111, I agree with you.

[_Forgiven_]

I do not agree with you! Repeatedly I heard from people that they came to sign up for the militia, they were put in cars with a gaytsovskaya wand to inspect and check documents. That’s all. The appeal of the shooter is primarily aimed at serving people. And for those who have neither the skills nor the experience, they don’t see any reason to take them into battle, as they will put them in the first serious battle. Here is a paradox

[Artyom]

I don’t quite agree, because he is ready to take women into the militia already!

[Oleg1964]

From another young medical sister, more sense than from a "nerd" with an automatic machine. By the way, great to you, bow to the girls from the medical battalion!

[van50man]

... exactly ! Ignorant - not only a burden when maneuvering, but also not a covered rear. And in auxiliary operations they are very useful (no offense). More often, you need eyes and ears, everyone should do his own thing (but for ALL). A stupid presence is still not ,, work ,, and stupidly substituted - not heroism, the jokes were over!

[nikrandel]

Until the thunder strikes the man will not cross himself.
So it is here - the men are still waiting. But when the volleys of "grads" begin and hundreds of people begin to die, then, I am sure, the people will rise - both young and old!

[nikrandel]

А вот так!http://media.cackle.me/e0c2977f59dcdb4b2ad9fa12d3fe57b0.jpg

[van50man]

... maybe those who were trying to, “fit in,” had some kind of mercantile interests in the ranks of Strelkov’s militia? So they’ve been sent? It's no secret that often the so-called ,, defenders of the republic ,, are interested (to put it mildly) in preferences addressed to them .....

[Soyuz-TM]

When I was in a Soviet school, we pioneers, the little girl talked about the decaying west, about the always hungry children in the United States, about the ruthless exploitation of workers. I listened attentively to this and could not understand why the workers put up with it, why they would not make a revolution like our grandfathers at 17. And after decades, it came to be understood that not everything was as sad as we had been pictured.
If you don’t see logical actions in people's actions, you simply have a picture that is either distorted or incomplete, or you have a different outlook.

[Oleg1964]

Perhaps it is so, each has its own prism through which one can see what is visible. But the world to understand this one thing, and to understand the war and accept it another. So maybe back to back and to those who sent ....

[Fanat1984]

For such "especially" literate as you, I explain, in order to make a revolution, it is necessary that someone or something weaken the power (in 1917 - the war, in your Ukraine - the US desire to destroy Russia and she even donated 5 dollars to the pockets of your oligarchophrenics), by the way, for reference: for the entire existence of Ukraine apart from Russia, the United States has invested only $ 000 in the Ukrainian economy, while Russia has invested $ 000 and hell How much more he knows (these are excerpts from the conclusion of the US Congress Commission on Ukraine as of 000/250/000 !!!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

There are two authors in that article. I simply stated / litterated the opinion of a resident of Kramatorsk.
My opinion is here.

[MAG]

Banshee watch this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch? Feature = player_embedded & v = CY1BLoOgOfQ. It doesn’t resemble anything)) so far according to this plan a failure in the recruitment of people. Kvachkov would not say BIG WISE in their business.

[ks]

This is how it is always to drop a piece of paper in a box and it’s not my business anyway, it’s just that in Ukraine the Russians became Kh.O.Kh.L.A.M.I themselves did not notice.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

MAG, I understand you. But here the situation is somewhat different. And, unfortunately, there is no 201 division, nor 15 omsb.

[Al_lexx]

Novel
It is clear that while there is food in the stores and some cash is being paid, the people will sit out.
But it will not last forever. A couple of months will pass and much will change. Unfortunately, there is no other way. The lower classes are not yet ready to decide their own fate, although the upper circles are no longer able to.

[Dejavu]

Yes, the bottoms of the campaign will not even reach the point where you can lift your ass off the couch. This film reminds me of a film. We lie in our warm jar of pink snot, and who steers us: killer cars or people - sideways. If only they would give hawks, but not kill them. By the way, they may not really start to kill completely, but they will take it gently so that the hamsters remain hamsters.

God help Strelkov.

[Lapotnik]

I wonder who do you work for in Russia? Are your labor activities aimed at the good of the homeland and (even afraid to think) not a penny on the cohesion of a local oligarch / mayor / bandyuk?

And you help you always seem to be kind and destitute, and you give alms, and right now standing at the post with a machine gun protecting your homeland scribble evil comments ...

And you’re probably hiding your relatives under protection in a bunker, God forbid, what. It's so simple - to see clearly and go to the barricades. We will destroy the whole world to the ground, and then ...

[van50man]

The self-awareness of the layman has decreased so much - that they only begin to move when they are for their own selves ... In the meantime, “bash and curse the regime,” courage is enough! (Damn ... how familiar it all is!) And to hope for, “big brother,” God, an occasion (maybe it’ll blow through) - without hesitation, what’s going on!

[Oleg1964]

You’re right, everything is going to a new big fight and purification through bloody snot. And this is scary ...

[His]

In autumn everything will be different. Remember the February Revolution of 1917. It all ended in October

[erased]

I have no idea what is there and how it is real, news broadcasts do not give even half of the picture. But one thing immediately catches the eye. When someone, somewhere, shoots at someone there, something explodes there, something burns - it is filmed on phones and cameras by people sitting at home, standing on the streets. Most are men aged 18 and over. Why are they there, and not in positions? Why the hell do Bandera units and their armor meet with the outraged screams of a crowd of healthy men? Banderlog will not die from their "shame-shame" and will not leave. What's the use of jostling with an infantry fighting vehicle? You can't even push it with a bunch. Why are they not greeted with weapons?
These are the questions that appear themselves. Not everything is so simple in the newly formed republics. And not the entire top of these republics goes in one system. But one thing is clear right away - do not hell with the Russian army there! Volunteers, volunteers - as many as you want. But while all the people of Donetsk and Lugansk will not act - poking around there is more expensive.
By the way, Kharkov is a bit hooked. And Odessa, apart from noise and angry tirades, did not give out anything. In the south and east of Ukraine there are many nonsense. And while they have the opportunity to do nothing further.

Separately - we also have enough do not care. And if suddenly something - there will also be filmed fragments on camera, comments in the networks and, as the apotheosis of resistance - shouts "down with" from the balcony. And the enemy will not yell. He will act. Here is such a squiggle!

[GRune]

What's the use of pushing with a BMP? Do not push even a bunch. Why do not meet with weapons?

I agree about the cameras, although the evidence will be pretty good later and events will be covered now, so that people like you and I would watch.
But when people try to stop the armor with their bare hands, it only means that: 1. they do not have weapons and 2. they have a desire to stop the armor, even without weapons!
It is also possible that these are stupid people who decided to engage in mass suicide, but I do not consider it.
So your questions are strange, somewhere sofas, and somewhere provocative ...
I look at the pros, they put even without reading the opus, so the first paragraph and the last ...

[van50man]

Young people (many) perceive what is happening as some kind of flash mob, not realizing that they are not computer shooters, but blood and wakefulness! When they grow up (if they survive ...) how will they look into each other's eyes?

[Egoza]

"Starting with the very SHAKHTAROV, to whom Akhmetov's lousy hryvnias are much closer" to the body "than the fate of the country and the region.
They dutifully, at the direction of their superiors, go to dismantle the barricades in Mariupol, to replace a mine or a mill ...
Yes, they voted ... and then, as was the case under the NORMAL government, they sat down and waited for their "uncles to aunts" to bring them "a bright future" on a silver platter.

Now, if they z.p. they won't pay for a couple of months or they'll be fired - then yes, for their "hard-earned" .... maybe they will move. In the meantime, the lords "give pennies" something ... nothing, my hut, as always ... "(c)
XXXX
This is the difference in mentality, if you want at the genetic level - Ukrainians-Russians. Ukrainians are not exactly "antiheroes", they just have a very well developed sense of self-preservation. But the Russians are ready, if they have already entered the battle, to fight to the end for "a just cause, not sparing their belly."

[Monster_Fat]

Oh, okay, about the "Russians fight to the end." I have seen enough of how they "fight" - some really fight (but they are a minority: one or two, and there are too many), while others sell your equipment and ammunition to the militants behind your back, and still others eat, regurgitate, watching TV how the first ones beat. Enough of these fairy tales about Russian wunder.

[Good cat]

This is not fairy tales - this is a slogan, but there are enough indifferent and various scum

[Setrac]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Enough of these fairy tales about the Wunder-Russians already.

You still remember the million "Russians" who fought in the Wehrmacht. What kind of Russians are they? Russified foreigners who took a Russian surname, and sometimes under a non-Russian surname, were called Russians by Western propaganda.

[SLX]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Oh, okay, about the "Russians fight to the end." I have seen enough of how they "fight" - some really fight (but they are a minority: one or two, and there are too many), while others sell your equipment and ammunition to the militants behind your back, and still others eat, regurgitate, watching TV how the first ones beat. Enough of these fairy tales about Russian wunder.

Tough, but fair! And those who vote loudly about the Wunder-Russians know about the war from books, movies and the internet. It’s high time for patriots to understand a few simple truths:

1). A thin world is better than a good quarrel.

2). From cheers-patriotism to idiocy is one step.

3). War is death, blood, sweat and crap. And most of all shit on her.

[Victor Demchenko]

I absolutely agree with you! I always said, I say, and I WILL repeat: WAR is VERY hard and DIRTY work, it is not COMPUTER ARROWS!

[His]

4). After the war comes the long-awaited peace. While Moscow was not blown up, the second series, called Chechnya, arrived. And now there is peace and prosperity. They took Berlin, and some over a large puddle, and did not believe until the last half of the war (they were afraid to open the entire second front). Russia entered the First World War for Serbia. I think we need clear, coordinated help from the Southeast.

[aleks700]

And whoever does not accept this is the enemy.

[Colonel]

Quote: Monster_Fat

other militants are selling your equipment and ammunition behind your back, while others are guzzling, full of burping watching on TV how the first fight

You, as I understand it, were among the "others"? Otherwise, where does deep knowledge come from?

[Victor Demchenko]

I agree! I put a plus, I do not know which one puts the cons, because the truth is !!!

[smith7]

The Ukrainian mentality seems to be different from Russian. I would like to be mistaken ... The situation is not transparent. Let's hope for the victory of a just cause. It would not be too late!

[onizhe]

Let's hope for the victory of a just cause. It would not be too late!
The fact of the matter is that in Ukraine the majority does not understand which business is right and which is not. The Maidan revolution has taken place, overthrew the power of the oligarchs of Yanukovych, and so what? Now they put Poroshenko and Kolomoisky. Everyone feels cheated. That’s why people don’t bother, because they are afraid to be deceived again.

[Kuvabatake]

This problem also exists in Russia. I do not see a great desire among the majority to tear their "ass on the British flag" ...

[sim6]

that's the funny thing, ethnic Russians live in the Donbass, there are at least 50% of them here, and so far they are not in a hurry to fight "like Russians, not sparing their belly," but sit out "like Ukrainians." I think that the reasons are not that someone is Ukrainian, but someone is Russian. Remember how 6 million Ukrainians fought in WWII? Something worse than the Russians? So let's judge without ethnicity, because we are essentially one. The reasons for what is happening are different ..

[shtanko.49]

The miners have already turned into slaves, asking to add a penny almost on the owner’s lap, instead of giving him in the ass and managing the mine and money.

[GRune]

You then your boss (the owner, shareholder, co-owner) in the ass gave a lot ?? or are you a capitalist living on people ??

[Doctorleg]

Quote: shtanko.49

The miners have already turned into slaves, asking to add a penny almost on the owner’s lap, instead of giving him in the ass and managing the mine and money.

We have a lot in Russia, in the ass, to whom. They also ask for a penny. And if you manage the mines yourself - then these are not needed in Russia - do you know private property and capitalism. So where do they go then?

[tasha]

Pay attention to the history of the trade union movement in the rotten West.

[smile]

Egoza
Hard. but fair. I saw these miners - they drove a whole train to us in Lithuania, if sclerosis is not unchanged - at 91. So they knocked joyfully with their helmets on the asphalt explaining to us. what bad occupants we are, and what good fellow Lithuanian democrats and fighters against totalitarianism ..... Since then, I don’t like miners and don’t believe fairy tales that they are a united force ... more like barrrans who will run after who beckons with grass, or what is there barrranas eat ....

[starik80]

Plus, the warrior in the soul should be.

[kia64]

Yes, now the army 84-86 has reached me. - "khokh.ly not people"

[Yun Klob]

Since the time when the Cossacks (at the request of Catherine II) left for the Don and Kuban, only those who had a "hut on the edge" remained in Ukraine.

[Kail_seven]

Quote: Yoon Clob

Since the time when the Cossacks (at the request of Catherine II) left for the Don and Kuban, only those who had a "hut on the edge" remained in Ukraine.

When the Cossacks were resettled to the Terek and Kuban (along the Don they were already sitting), those territories on which the Donetsk and Lugansk regions are located were called "Wild Field"

[ImPerts]

You cannot officially intervene in hostilities. Officially, only humanitarian aid. And there are so many volunteers, I think.

[the polar]

Such strategists, like the author of the article, who criticize everyone and everything, for passivity, greediness, the desire of the inhabitants of Donbass to hide behind other people's backs, it would be nice to read the memoirs of partisan commanders of the times of V.O. Kovpak Sidor Ivanovich, Peter Vershigoru, Grigory Linkov. What incredible efforts it took to deploy the organization of partisan detachments, although the Nazi occupants were waging a real genocide, exterminating the civilian population. Yes, the population supported the partisan movement, supplied them with food, intelligence information, but in the partisan detachment of Kovpak, at the time of the highest successes there were from five hundred to seven hundred fighters. In the raid on the Carpathians, the maximum number was about one thousand five hundred fighters, about eight hundred returned. The same is with the partisan formation of the Hero of the Soviet Union Linkov, his detachments numbered thirty to forty people, the "battalions" reached seventy people. And this despite the fact that the Central Headquarters of the partisan movement in Moscow regularly supplied the partisans with weapons, ammunition, radio communications, medicines, and sent specially trained groups of saboteurs and military specialists to help them. They fought in partisan detachments throughout Ukraine, during the entire period of the occupation, from 1941 to 1944. just over two hundred thousand partisans, and the rest of the population provided passive support, mainly supplying food.
So, to the current critics of the militia movement, you first need to read the story and ponder that everyone cannot join the militia. Firstly, there isn’t enough for everyone, no commanders, no supplies, no weapons, and most importantly there is no strategic plan. He was not born yet, the circumstances were not ripe, the leadership had not yet developed, purely on a personal level. And most importantly, they are dampened by Russia's absolute passivity; they do not feel a reliable rear behind their backs, unlike the Kiev junta, which relies on the support of the West and the USA. If it is necessary, the junta will receive both weapons and mercenaries, but Donetsk can hope for anything ...? Online critics only

[Aleksandr65]

You're right. There is not even moral support from Russia-rallies, pickets, that is, unofficial, but friendly support. And yet, potential militias need to feed families every day — who will help these families if something happens? This question is the most important, in my opinion.

[woron333444]

If they do not rise now, they will work for the right-wingers, for the Maidan, for Kolomoisky, and there will definitely be nothing to feed the children. If you still let out of the mine.

[SLX]

Quote: Aleksandr65

There is not even moral support from Russia-rallies, pickets, that is, unofficial, but friendly support.

Should it be? Citizens of Ukraine for 23 years calmly looked at the ever-growing Russophobia. And something I did not observe in Ukraine, crowded rallies protesting against those who plant it. And now, should Russian citizens provide moral support? And to whom to lend? Those who are still sitting quietly on their stoves? Or those handfuls who stand at the checkpoints, but obviously do not represent the majority?

Quote: Aleksandr65

And yet, potential militias need to feed families every day — who will help these families if something happens? This question is the most important, in my opinion.

And the Russians seem to not need to feed their families. And as if they have no other worries than to support those who sit exactly on their stoves in Ukraine.

[Aikusun]

There is no support for Nichrome; KAMAZs are transporting medicines and food. Is this not support or what? Money transfers bills, not support? You do not own the information apparently.

[GRune]

Here is an adequate judgment! +

[avt]

Quote: Egoza

This is the difference in mentality, if you want at the genetic level - Ukrainians-Russians. Ukrainians are not exactly "antiheroes", they just have a very well developed sense of self-preservation. But the Russians are ready, if they have already entered the battle, to fight to the end for "a just cause, not sparing their belly."

The article put a minus and that's why. The issue is not about the availability of volunteers, both local and visitors. The issue is organization, material and technical support and training of fighters. In the meantime, in addition to high-profile appointments and self-nominations to various positions of ministers and commanders of all levels, things are not very fun going on, but here also the fighting is going on. So I can agree with the author in only one way. That the first one, according to the method of the Bolsheviks under the leadership of Trotsky, will create real military formations from partisan detachments and personal guards, on a state basis with all the attendant conditions, well, when at least there will be at least some kind of centralized control, the supply and training of soldiers, even if just for military affairs, not to mention each specific operation, will win. This also applies to Ukrainians of all stripes and the Ukrainian army, which, as an imperial army in 1917, is quietly falling apart, but the Novorossiysk authorities cannot intercept it, for rare with the exception of individual fighters, well, the senior military commanders, who still control their units, do not see in them as yet a real force. Everything is in the hands of people who have declared themselves the people's government. They will be able to justify a credit of trust - people will go. And a credit of trust was issued to them not only for the war, but also for ensuring the functioning of life in the region as a whole. It is necessary to finish 3,14 ... t at rallies, but to take real administrative and economic power in the localities and establish life as an adult.

[romzess]

Yes. and it’s absolutely not clear where the personnel of those 12 military units reassigned at the beginning of May to the DNI ... where the armed forces which are based on the territory of the so-called DNI, LC ... everything is like a farce and props

[Blondy]

Yes, something with comments is not a lot. But the author writes the truth. And the Ukrainian army does not want to howl. Is it really so hard to take control? At least feed those guys their fill. And they will be happy to "block" them at the places of deployment. Or, in order to be "polite", you must definitely serve in the special forces of the GRU?

[malikszh]

Russia must be helped by the militias, not by sending troops, but by shooting long-range artillery of a military of Ukranians from their territory.

[avt]

Quote: malikszh

Russia needs help militias,

Well, God knows what a secret that they already are there. But even before they are sent, they must be prepared and sent to a very specific address to specific military units, and not to the village of grandfather Konstantin Makarovich.

Quote: malikszh

not sending troops but firing long-range artillery of a military of Ukrainians from their territory.

Of course, it would be nice to close the sky and support with fire, but this requires a UN Security Council resolution, as with Libya. And for this, at least, Medvedev must be elected president of the USA, so that he suddenly told the US people on TV that the Kiev authorities were not shaking hands and at the UN voted for a "no-fly zone" with all allies.

[ImPerts]

Quote: avt

at least Medvedev needs to be elected president of the USA

Have to repaint it in all the colors of the rainbow.
The whites were there, black has been caring for the second term. But there haven’t been such yet. It is necessary to surprise voters, and they are spoiled there.

[cosmos111]

Quote: avt

Of course, it would be nice to close the sky and hold fire,

it is possible without planes and the UN, to put put would be a sufficient number of MANPADS and anti-tank systems !!!

HESBALL In 2006, the Israeli army was rebuilt !!!! and not kindergarteners from the outskirts of the armed forces .....

and specialists .... as commanders of the local militia ....

BEATING COMRADES FROM DONBASS AND LUGANSK, AND DO NOT SIT AN OVEN !!!
ONLY SO CAN BEAT THE Fascists ....

[avt]

Quote: cosmos111

it is possible without planes and the UN, to put put would be a sufficient number of MANPADS and anti-tank systems !!!
HESBALL In 2006, the Israeli army was rebuilt !!!! and not kindergarteners from the outskirts of the armed forces .....

Can . And something already exists. But again the question is - are the personnel trained, well, are there operators? But are there any trained commanders capable of, well, as in Grozny, Czechs, using these weapons as part of a unit, quite meaningfully and effectively? And here we come back to what is missing, I hope only so far, the real formation of units of the proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk republics. There are partisan paramilitary formations. Of course, it takes time, as Kovpak of 12 people to create a powerful military formation, but the opposite side also does not sit still.

Quote: cosmos111

and specialists .... as commanders of the local militia ....

Again, even as "advisers" they should not be sent to the village of grandfather - go to fight somewhere there, but to specific units that solve the tasks set by the single command. Otherwise, send people to death and equipment for trophies. Want an example? Syria? and Assad. ”He hung by a thread - his army was falling from the very top, but he showed his character and straightened the situation, and in fact he simply did not control most of the territory, but organized, received help and stabilized the situation.

[cosmos111]

Quote: avt

AK in Grozny, the Czechs, use this weapon as part of a unit,

combat experience comes only after the first battle ...

in Chechnya, our (I repeat) 18 year old boys proved (((I will not talk about betrayal and mediocre command))))
they just walked and fought !!!! many died, but those who survived were great fighters !!!!!

Quote: avt

Again, even as "advisers" they should not be sent to the village grandfather

many GDP, planted (Kvachkova and other patriots), and what a rustle KVACHKOV AND HIS TEAM could bring!!

SLEEPED sent such fighters as d. Aleksey Viktorovich Efentiev "GYURZA", I THINK HE WOULD PLEASURE TO HELP THE BROTHER PEOPLE !!

[avt]

Quote: cosmos111

combat experience comes only after the first battle ...

But you still need to have weapon handling skills before that.

Quote: cosmos111

SLEEPED sent such fighters as d Aleksey Viktorovich Efentiev "GYURZA"

Yes, we need qualified volunteers to fight and train local militias. But what's the use of throwing them into the water like puppies - maybe they will come out, not small, there is experience. I'm talking about something else - we need a group of good professionals with real, combat experience of staff, operational work. The time for seizing administrative buildings has passed! You need to work in an adult way. Understand, the version of specialists like our GRU and amer's "green berets" is not so relevant there, it is not necessary to incite a guerrilla war there, but rather to create state power in the conditions of a civil war of low intensity, fortunately so far. the tasks and approach should be different - not a sabotage, full-scale, guerrilla war, but the resistance of new, state structures to the old, through the newly created regular units under centralized control and supply.

[His]

Would he be a little old for such things. Is there a younger one?

[andj61]

Quote: malikszh

Russia must be helped by the militias, not by sending troops, but by shooting long-range artillery of a military of Ukranians from their territory.

My mother-in-law has been saying the same thing for two weeks. No arguments like that — we don’t have artillery that shoots 200-300 km — are rejected on the move: let them find!

[silverwolf88]

Both articles are the truth of life. There is an amorphous majority living by the principle - no matter how it would be decided there by itself ... but so that my gardener is not touched ... and I was fine ...
I won’t give recipes at all. I will say one thing ... until most of the people and their leaders go the way of becoming their idea of ​​independence ... Russia has nothing to do there.
Shooters well done ... took responsibility ...

[Agent 008]

We must argue consistently: in the Crimea, after all, the people were also required to ONLY VOTE for independence, none of the residents ran through the streets with machine guns, you must agree ... Everything was decided by OUR ARMY! The residents sat at home while our special forces of the GRU took control of the Ukrainian military units, as it was ... I emphasize once again, in Crimea everything was decided by the military, the population was only required to vote for independence! Now in Donbass the PEOPLE VOTED FOR INDEPENDENCE - this is the main thing! And why now not help the residents of Donbass to defend the results of the referendum, as in the Crimea! We don’t want to, because we have to fight here, unlike Crimea! Here they say: "We do not want to substitute our boys under the bullets of the National Guard." But this is the JOB of the boys - to fight, and they themselves have to "treat" the National Guard with bullets ... So guys, let's be consistent, help Donbass too, he says, Ukrainian, and wasn't Crimea LEGALLY Ukrainian? That's it ...

[ImPerts]

In Crimea, they really wanted to leave Ukraine. There were specific individuals (they later got to the sanctions lists). And Donetsk and Lugansk specific leaders are only emerging. Only organized. Who to talk to?
Notice, Igor Ivanovich is engaged in specifics - the defense of settlements, planning response actions. He doesn’t get into politics. In politics there is now a tear, everyone pulls a blanket over himself. Some people even want to get into the ladies, appeal to the Russian Armed Forces and then talk about their contribution.
And the junta is just waiting for this. there is nothing nicer than to unite the people in the face of the invaders. Under this sauce, you can put all dissidents under a knife.
And fight the invaders.

[Zomanus]

The following conclusions can be drawn from the author’s two articles.
1. There are many people who want to fight, but for the time being they only take those who have served, for the rest will be cannon fodder.
2. In fact, the people of SE are not living too badly. Either because the general level of needs is quite low, or there is a pasture forage base.
3. Active movements of Russia will sharply worsen the current standard of living of local people, Russia will become a clear enemy. Therefore, no introduction of troops. We are waiting for the standard of living to decrease naturally.
Something like that. In general, we have ahead of the elections, ahead of the blackout. So everything is just beginning ...

[Agent 008]

In general, many have a position here, as in the case: the police come on call, they say, there is inadequate running with a knife, and look and kill someone ... The cops say, well, haven’t killed anyone yet, they will kill, then we’ll bind! In general, thousands of victims are needed to start helping ...

[tolancop]

Quote: Polar

Such strategists, like the author of the article, who criticize everyone and everything, for passivity, greediness, the desire of the inhabitants of Donbass to hide behind other people's backs, it would be nice to read the memoirs of partisan commanders of the times of V.O. Kovpak Sidor Ivanovich, Peter Vershigoru, Grigory Linkov. What incredible efforts it took to deploy the organization of partisan detachments, although the Nazi occupants were waging a real genocide, exterminating the civilian population. Yes, the population supported the partisan movement, supplied them with food, intelligence information, but in the partisan detachment of Kovpak, at the time of the highest successes there were from five hundred to seven hundred fighters. In the raid on the Carpathians, the maximum number was about one thousand five hundred fighters, about eight hundred returned. The same is with the partisan formation of the Hero of the Soviet Union Linkov, his detachments numbered thirty to forty people, the "battalions" reached seventy people. And this despite the fact that the Central Headquarters of the partisan movement in Moscow regularly supplied the partisans with weapons, ammunition, radio communications, medicines, and sent specially trained groups of saboteurs and military specialists to help them. They fought in partisan detachments throughout Ukraine, during the entire period of the occupation, from 1941 to 1944. just over two hundred thousand partisans, and the rest of the population provided passive support, mainly supplying food.
...

They read, but what about ... And Kovpak Sidor Artemievich, and Vershigor, and Saburov and Fedorov.
Not exactly give the size of the Kovpak detachment, but that is not the point. The connection of Kovpak was a raid and one of the main tasks set for the connection was to break through the information blockade and deploy a guerrilla warfare in the occupied territories. After Kovpak’s passage, he left a trail in the form of local partisan detachments.

Quote: Polar

... So, to the current critics of the militia movement, you first need to read the story and ponder that everyone cannot go to the militia without exception. Firstly, there isn’t enough for everyone, no commanders, no supplies, no weapons, and most importantly there is no strategic plan. He was not born yet, the circumstances were not ripe, the leadership had not yet developed, purely on a personal level. And most importantly, they are dampened by Russia's absolute passivity; they do not feel a reliable rear behind their backs, unlike the Kiev junta, which relies on the support of the West and the USA. If it is necessary, the junta will receive both weapons and mercenaries, but Donetsk can hope for anything ...?

About the passivity of Russia and the lack of a reliable rear, the reasoning is more than interesting ... And what should be the activity on the part of Russia and why should it be the rear for the DPR and LPR? Generally speaking, strictly speaking, the Donetsk and Luhansk people have their own land, and if they do not want to fight for their FUTURE on their own land, then why should Russia lie down with its bones to make someone "beautiful"? Cognac does not flow under a lying stone.

[romzess]

we will not hide that the Russian Federation has compelling interests and reasons to help the DPR and LPR as a platform for the future of New Russia through which the gas pipeline goes evenly to Odessa. there is still a pipe through Lviv, of course, but it’s too early to judge about it yet =) + shale gas, not desirable for the Russian Federation in the Yuzovskoye field. + Voenka * Antonov, Motorsich, etc.) + road to the Crimea and Transnistria, + sphere of direct influence

[Per se.]

Another question, where are your own? Those who work calmly, earning hryvnias for themselves and dollars to Kolomoisky?

Who are their own there? Yes, definitely not supporters of Yarosh and other Bandera shit. Finally, if we do not recognize the Kiev government, and respect has been expressed to the southeast of Ukraine for expressing the will in the elections, then what prevents us from providing assistance to those "300 Spartans" of Strelkov? The same Fekalomoisky finances the militants, the Yankees also do not sit idly by, pretending that they are not in business, and they are not responsible for any "Blackwater" ... What prevents us from creating our "light" on their "black water" and on behalf of what to pay an oligarch "privately" to help resist the junta? On the one hand, we did not recognize the impostors in Kiev, and on the other hand, we generously transferred military equipment from the Crimea to this junta before the start of the punitive operation. What for? Was not needed, give Assad to Syria, sell it for scrap, but do not arm those who are now killing our Russians in southeastern Ukraine. Enough to shy away ourselves, if it's a junta, if Russians are already being killed, Russia needs to decide on which side we are on. And the fact that many in the southeast only voted is quite a lot, especially for pensioners. The events in Ukraine directly concern Russia, and this is not a matter of resistance alone from the fighters of Novorossiya.

[gmasterbit]

there is a good phrase, it’s not like it really is. we will never know the fullness of the picture and all the sincere reasons for what is happening. the only thing is that everyone doesn’t give a damn about the people, the reasons for any political events — the economy, redistribution of markets, and this is now clearly seen in Ukraine. and the same people respond with the same indifference to what is happening. the miner Mikola is deeply parallel to who will pay his salary, all the more there is always the opportunity to go to the cursed Muscovy to earn money.

[Stalnov I.P.]

A strange war, but I support the militias, the creation of the Donetsk and Lugansk republics, but when the battalion of the National Guard is located next to the militias in Donetsk, I don’t understand whether you took power in your hands or not, they asked them to leave three days ago, they left, next to another part , the same obeying Kiev, as it all does not fit. If Slavyansk arrives, everyone else will finally hide in their burrows, a kopeck to your republics. He was in Abkhazia, they told me how they fought with the Georgians, Georgians bombed the deltalets, everyone took up arms - THE WHOLE PEOPLE, and VICTORY came. It is necessary to help, but when 1000 are at war, and tens of thousands are graying and watching, questions arise. If you at least recruited 10000 fighters and threw them against the Maidan, they would no longer be in your areas. Draw conclusions - REPUBLIC.

[Kail_seven]

Quote: I.P. Stalnov.

hangmen bombed Georgians all took up arms - THE WHOLE PEOPLE

Speak of deltalets bombed? Oh well:
"In 2009, Yevgeny Primakov, who held the post of Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation from 1991 to 1996, mentioned in an interview about the shelling of Georgian positions by unmarked aircraft in 1993."
Or another:
"According to the data of Mikhail Zhirokhov, in the fall of 1992, with the beginning of active hostilities, several Su-25 attack aircraft were deployed to the conflict area, which were ideally suited for covering helicopters, and subsequently for delivering preventive strikes against Georgian positions."

Such are the "deltalets" ...

[Ross]

Quote: erased

But one thing is immediately striking. When someone shoots somewhere somewhere, something explodes there, something burns - it’s people who are sitting at home, people standing on the streets, taking pictures on phones and cameras. Most men are 18 or older. Why are they there, and not in positions?

I read in an interview with 11 klasnik from Slavyansk. Sorry did not write. I convey in my own words. He is Ukrainian, lives with his father on the outskirts of Slavyansk.
What caught on, in spite of the ongoing battles, all the information is drawn from ... Ukrainian TV !!! He loves Ukraine and does not want to go to Russia. He regrets that the cry "Glory to Ukraine" can be slapped in the street. Confused about who is fighting in his city. When asked whether he would join the militia, he replies: if it was for Ukraine and not for Russia. Without Bandera, but for a united land ... These are the sentiments of some senior schoolchildren in Slavyansk!

[Doctorleg]

Quote: Ross

Quote: erased

But one thing is immediately striking. When someone shoots somewhere somewhere, something explodes there, something burns - it’s people who are sitting at home, people standing on the streets, taking pictures on phones and cameras. Most men are 18 or older. Why are they there, and not in positions?

I read in an interview with 11 klasnik from Slavyansk. Sorry did not write. I convey in my own words. He is Ukrainian, lives with his father on the outskirts of Slavyansk.
What caught on, in spite of the ongoing battles, all the information is drawn from ... Ukrainian TV !!! He loves Ukraine and does not want to go to Russia. He regrets that the cry "Glory to Ukraine" can be slapped in the street. Confused about who is fighting in his city. When asked whether he would join the militia, he replies: if it was for Ukraine and not for Russia. Without Bandera, but for a united land ... These are the sentiments of some senior schoolchildren in Slavyansk!

You can read the forum of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk (by the way, the militia has closed the latter more than once). So, they are outraged that the militia firing (including from Nona) from residential areas, provoking the Ukrainian army in return fire. And, in general, they do not talk about oppression. By the way, there is a branch where on-line people write where what happened, shoot, etc.

[xbhxbr-777]

Maybe we are Russians, we don’t understand something, but the author of the article is right! The whole Southeast needs to unite, then the army will go where, and it turns out that everyone is for himself! So the war will not be won, but on the contrary, it’s 100% loss !!! SOUTH-EAST UKRAINE UNITE !!! Until it's too late! Help each other, TOGETHER YOU ARE TOGETHER!

[marder4]

they simply need to unite, otherwise they will re-breathe like kittens one at a time

[Andrey82]

The reason for the passivity is in the rule introduced at the subconscious level in Soviet times - "The party decides for you." People believed that they were calmly studying, working, and the state somewhere out there would solve all problems for them and protect them. But we are the state. The USSR no longer exists, but passivity and the belief that someone from the outside will solve all the problems remains. In western Ukraine, passivity was eaten away by Bandera nationalism. It has existed underground before, but in the last 20 plus years - quite openly. I think it should not be surprising that the ideas of Bandera gradually began to spread to other parts of Ukraine. It was they who began to fill the ideological vacuum in the heads, especially in the young. In the east, instead of the Soviet state. paternalism, nothing viable has appeared. But it is also inevitable that as the devastation and chaos grow, the self-consciousness of the people of the Southeast will grow. But it can only grow around a unifying idea. Which one? From my point of view, people should unite around the idea of ​​uniting all Slavic lands (not only the South-East) into one state. But the first priority on the way to this idea should be resistance to neo-fascism and neo-colonialism in Ukraine.

[starley]

Andrei, people are so structured by nature that they are smart at 20%, and the opposite at the remaining 80%. But in a quiet, settled life, this fact plays a positive role - there is no unnecessary fermentation, there is nothing that interferes with everyday regularity.
In the transition period, we need the masses who are able to think independently critically for any reason, but at least 20% subject to the established order and discipline. But there is no other population, there is learning and getting used to certain conditions.
For 20 years, dill residents have been trained to be cattle, and now we are waiting for them to learn to be PEOPLE in 20 days.

[parus2nik]

Quote: Simpleton

It’s not we who indulged the Nazis for 20 years

How not to indulge .. Still indulge .. Russia did not protest against the marches of Bandera, not against the conferment of the title of Hero of Ukraine S. Bandera and other .. the fight against Nazism is a common thing ..

[parus2nik]

It seems to me that the DPR and LPR, although they say that they do not recognize the presidential election, but they are waiting for them who will win .. and the final decisions and actions will be taken after the one who wins the election ..

[crack]

Quote: Agent 008

But this is the boys' JOB - to fight, and they themselves must "treat" the National Guard with bullets ...

let me curiosity, but what kind of work do you have? And your children, if, of course, they have?

[Not angry]

Put the minus to the author. Firstly, it is too early to draw such conclusions. The referendum passed well, but it was only the opinion of the people that was expressed. On the 12th, no army or government bodies of the republic appeared. All this must be created from scratch and this is not a matter of one day or even weeks. Everyone understands why they are dealing with the army and no one will say or write. I hope that the work is underway and the results should be expected no earlier than in a month, and then you can judge about it.

[Goldkonstantin]

It's all about people whose softness, to put it mildly, sometimes breaks all records. I don’t think that ALL ALL residents of the DPR are like that. However, sometimes you need to get up from the couch and stop hoping for a chance. Because it will not carry, they will come to kill, if not today, then tomorrow. Once at a time is not necessary. Yes, many are also waiting for Putin to give the order to send Russian troops to the South-East of the former Ukraine ... Also in vain. Neither Putin nor anyone else will do anything for the people. The referendum, yes, it has passed. But the future of Donbass depends not only on Gubarev and others like him, but also on the citizens themselves.

[rennim]

I’m not sure that information on the state of the military formations of the South-East of Ukraine and the DPR should be uploaded on this site and in general the media. This is not information for everyone. I hope the military people understand me.

[todaygoodday]

If people themselves do not want, then Russia is all the more not obliged, it will fight for those who deserve it, such as Streltsov, Babai ..

[lexxxus]

But it’s interesting: if now in Russia (God forbid, of course!) The same situation arose, how many volunteers would be recruited? After all, when all this is far from you, the perception is different.
Here honestly answer:
+ I would go to defend my homeland
- I would wait until the security forces tried to figure it out themselves

[starik80]

I think a lot, men are normal with us.

[starley]

in my old memory, Kazakhs could solve this problem in a short time: without fever, without fuss, but with confidence, fidelity, perseverance in achieving the goal.

[sledge]

I put the article +. There are also disadvantages in it, but on the whole it is a solid pole. From the moment it flared up in Ukraine, it really flared up, there were many articles on the forum and even more reviews. And how many exclamations on the forum calling on Russia to help the brothers Slavs, etc. etc. To one of the invaders, I asked the question: "Are you really ready to go to Ukraine in order to help the brothers Slavs with arms in your hands, or do you hope that the army will be sent, while you write appeals sitting at the computer?" - the answer followed.
It doesn’t hurt, but it’s only visible when the trouble is knocking on every house, only when they wash themselves thoroughly with blood — a real force will appear that can resist the junta. And not just confront - sweep them off the face of the earth. IMHO

[starik80]

Sori, and the brothers want to shoot our war on mobile.
The brothers must get up, then we will come.

[starley]

Sorry for them, Ukrainians. But, you must admit, if at every quarrel with your wife you call for help from a neighbor - something will not be right in family life.

[Orel]

Sanya, explain to me, dumb, why do our military specialists die in Chechnya, Dagestan, Abkhazia? And when Bandera kills Russian children, women, old people, you urge them to go to protect us, unfortunately for a long time peaceful people. And age is not the same. In Soviet times, such nonsense would have been impossible to imagine. I believe that Putin is obliged to send military specialists there (volunteers can be for a very decent amount of money) let him shock his friend Abramovich, he will not become poor. Arrange the supply of food, medicine, weapons. And we, the people, must demand this. If we do not, then the blood of the slain will fall on us, and we will have the same. It’s obvious.

[Belarus]

It's not just about volunteers or commanders, everything is much simpler in my opinion. The people are basically sleeping and sleeping. As it was written, they hope that they will be carried and as they say, my hut from the edge.
The miners apparently stupidly continue to go to work even though they shoot right-handed people on their buses already. They got used to sitting and pounding their helmets on the asphalt, why won't everyone rise and throw the Nazis off their seats?
Akhmetov the changeling holds them in kopecks and they’re happy. Now what Yanukovych said is funny: if the miners rise they don’t seem to anyone --- anecdote now. The miners will never rise because they have nothing to do with the drum.

[starley]

that which "will carry" and does not cause doubts - each and not once.

[starik80]

Miners...
Imagine a herd of rams and two wolves. The question is which of them is the majority?

[bubla5]

Everything is true for the entire Donbass 2 thousand militias, and most of them are in Slavyansk, so no one needs it, everyone is waiting for our soldiers to put things in order in the South-East, but no, it doesn’t happen, then you all like the junta or wait for the outcome, so it was after the war when Bandera was liquidated, when the population seemed to support the government, and fed forest brothers just in case

[romzess]

so ... the process has begun
The results of yesterday’s appeal by Igor Ivanovich Strelkov. IMPORTANT!!!
May 19th, Question: did the local people go after the speech?
Answer: "Yes, let's go. 40 people entered the city today, 300 are on the way. There will be more."

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In Raisins, fighters from the DPR attacked the ATO base camp ...

[avia1991]

Moreover, those whose direct responsibility should have been the formation of the army of Donbass, the protection and sweeping of the nationalist scum beyond the borders of their newly formed republic (republics) are for some reason more concerned with ministerial movements and rallies. This is me about the Tsarev and others.

Perhaps I disagree with this. Tsarev is the coordinator of the South-East movement, and he has completely different tasks. It has no direct relation to the DPR in its present form. But what the approved government of the DPR is doing now is not entirely clear, really. The Minister of Defense himself commands the defense of Slavyansk ... but there are also deputies! In general, questions, questions ..

[Bayun]

Perhaps I will be mistaken, but it seems that Ukraine does not need freedom and independence. They sleep and see that they are "conquered", and no matter who. Russia took Crimea - and don't worry; YSA openly and directly rules in Kiev - and gloriously. The Germans, over there, 70 years in the Anglo-American occupation - and make yourself feel good. By the way, the Gdrovites lived well under the USSR too. Russians argue like a great people - for them occupation is tantamount to death, but for some small country it is a way to get free money from the occupier, while simultaneously dumping all everyday shoals on him: "it is convenient to be a supervisor." For example, in Africa, a number of countries today sincerely regret that they have become independent from the European metropolises; they would gladly become colonies again - but they won't. So it looks like they will drink over Ukraine, "occupy" whoever they want, sign new "eternal agreements on peace and friendship," and then they will calm down. Still, it's nice that Ukrainians and Russians are smarter than the same Balkans: well, they don't want to fight, that's all;)

[avia1991]

There is a grain of truth in your words .. Only Ukraine is not an African country. And the principle of passive behavior was embedded in the "memory of the people" back in the USSR, when they voted together for what they proposed, and did not think about tomorrow, because "the party rules!" .. In Ukraine, this has been intensified in the last two decades, with knocking out the memory of belonging to the Slavs. So it is not surprising, in general, the inertia of the majority - they believe that they have fulfilled their civic duty - they voted in a referendum, issued a "mandate of trust" to their leaders - and then let the leaders solve all the problems.

[starley]

So there the situation is tense, but not such that everyone can bury their heads in the sand.
300 specific people were able to pull on themselves and successfully grind the entire armed force of dill.
Another 10 times in 300 - and the question closes by itself automatically without firing.

[starik80]

Chicks in the fall count.

[suharev-52]

A strange war. Strange warfare. It seems that both sides are waiting for something. Most likely waiting for May 25. Where does the pendulum swing? So don’t break your voice in disputes. Until it bakes on the ground, everything is useless. We wait. Sincerely.

[starley]

But really, the elections, what issues will be solved?
Even in Ukraine there is not a single force that will benefit from these elections - no one really recognizes the results, there will be unrest and unrest. And the one who received the "majority", if he gets to the rostrum alive, will not be able to perform a single action necessary for the country. All that he can: launch amers in the steppe.
The most important task is to disrupt this procedure.

[siberalt]

Than I liked the article. There are no rating pictures from members of the forum! She's thinking. Eternal reflection on truth and God. Where is she? In ... where are we all from Try to challenge!
Yes, and everyone has their own truth. Is not it? Who is stronger is right. Keep the rest with you and do not stick it out in public. This is the world today. Is truth based on truth? Yes. If it is recognized by the group, the community, their unions, etc. Isn't that why Russia was "imposed" with a covenant of silence without its consent in all international media? Nothing, it only fuels the desire to know the truth. This is where not "hard" or "soft" power is needed, but the power of reason in the sequence of actions, which is understandable to everyone in their truth and truth. Something like this.

[Watson J.]

For God's sake, I don’t remember who owns the words that dissidents should not be redone, they must be forced to do the necessary work. Forcing, as usual, I understand more than just coercion. I have long noticed for myself (and use this in practice) that quite often it’s enough to simply drag the unwanted into the game. Claws are stuck, the game is on, things are moving. With the right scenario, the opponent notices that he played out the result I needed at the time the event occurred and scratched the turnip.
The idea of ​​an independent Donbass, as it were forced, but turned out, in my opinion, extremely successful. For residents of regions that voted for the independence of the republics, the game has begun. Whoever comes now, Kiev, the UN, the Russian Federation, everyone will be on the counter. The independence won by a cross in the newsletter still needs to be overeat. Shooters with Babai is a separate song, this does not apply to them. They vote correctly, with weapons. We are talking about those who are sitting at the monitors or on the balcony. They are waiting. But they were already dragged into the game. Time works for us again. Not having any pink illusions about Putin and his entourage, I am pleased to note that we have not seen such outstanding players on our board for a very long time. So brilliantly get out of stalemate situations. Respect. Those few who violently and emotionally call for the introduction of troops, in my opinion, are provocateurs. The deployment of troops is exactly what the Nazis so stubbornly seek. It was transparent from the very beginning, and now it is not clear except for the maydanut creatures. There is a game, dear. No one will allow a drop in resistance, I think everyone will agree. In the future, in my opinion - a liberation campaign in Kiev. Yes, this is a civil war. But Ukrainians have been warned millions of times that the current junta has come there with only one purpose - to start a war. There are no other tasks, and the junta again did not demonstrate other actions. We warned. We are ORAL. They didn’t hear us. On the contrary, they shut up. I think everyone has friends in Ukraine, from whom many accusations against us have been heard in recent months. We will help those who need it in this game. Let the plugs begin to retract. The game began, we did not start it, it was not in our interests to start something like that at all. But something lately gives me confidence in the result. And not even a federal state, but freed from banderlogs. That's when it comes to the peacekeeping operation, then we will introduce troops. And not to the East, but to the West.

[avia1991]

Quote: Watson J.

There is a game, dear. No one will allow a drop in resistance, I think everyone will agree.

It is a life theory. Respect!

[yarvol]

It is correctly written, only the accents placed are not true. And who does not know how to think and does not have real information will lead to what you wrote.

[yacht]

Donetsk miners of Tuareg in Libya remind me of them, too, tens of thousands are still in a hurry to help Gaddafi ... that's how they get it ... the same tales about the formidable miners of Donbass. It is time to understand that the current miners are fed from the hands of all kinds of Akhmetovs, and this stew is the most expensive for them now.

PS If you remember, it was with the help of the miners that the democrats destroyed the USSR, so Donbass is useless to hope for the miners.

[The point]

Guys! Indifference or not, it's not for me to judge, because from my sofa it is hard to see. BUT ... but there are a few questions.
1. In Mariupol, six PSs opened fire on the people, which there were so many oh. The whole crowd could simply break them, like a Tuzik heating pad. But for some reason I didn’t break it. But on the Internet there were many videos on this subject. I conclude, possibly erroneous, that shooting on the phone is much more attractive. There was a moment when someone shouted to wet the junta. But he was called a provocateur. And to watch your pool of blood already flowed out of your head from your neighbor, is that normal ?! When you, your brother, your son could be in his place. But only they threw tables. Although without weapons, apparently, no way.
2. Here Strelkov spoke. A brave honest man. Plus "three hundred riflemen". Where are the others? There are already weapons here. There is no need to throw tables at anyone here. But there is a staff collapse. The number of the militia is not growing. Why? Is it only thanks to the "mole" deploying the militias who have joined the ranks? Or maybe there are not so many of those who came? And for whom, then, are the Shooters associates risking their lives every day?
In general, one gets the impression of a "strange" war.
I really want my thoughts to be wrong. But...

[mik0588]

Immediately after the signing of an agreement between Ukraine and Russia somewhere in the mid-90s (this agreement was also called the Great Agreement) Kuchma (he was then the president of Ukraine) said: "Well, we have created Ukraine, now we need to create Ukrainians." --- It looked funny at the time, but now it doesn't.

[starley]

It’s funny. Really said so ??
A person understands the essence of the issue, see.

[yarvol]

I read the branch. Sometimes it becomes just ridiculous from the statements. Cook here in your own juice without real information, make assumptions. Everything does not look like it is in the media. What is Russia, what is Ukraine.

[starley]

Well ... And to share your own vision of the situation there is no desire? To let out smells from bushes is simple, more difficult to do it articulate and generally understood.

[yarvol]

Well, by smell you are probably a big special. I have information. Most of the people here will not like it, since this is not patriotism, but bare facts. And these facts contradict the opinion of many, including the media on both sides. Therefore, he wrote that without information, to talk about it is at least ridiculous. Regarding the Donbass, see my post below.

[starley]

Share it already!
At least Aesopian language.

[yarvol]

Most importantly, the local population of the DPR and LPR does not have support. Ukrainians cherish the local population try not to annoy and cause great damage. As a result of this, practically no heavy weapons are used and settlements do not roll up. The Russians in Chechnya acted differently, which is why it seems that the Ukrainian anti-terrorist operation is marking time. Losses of the militias are really large for Ukrainians correspond to the declared. Strelkov most likely did not have much time left.

[starley]

Share it already!
At least Aesopian language.

[Shpagolom]

Quote: yarvol

Everything does not look like it is in the media. What is Russia, what is Ukraine.

////..oh, how I agree with the previous speaker .... urapatriotism has captured us, so strong, invincible, but alas ...... the moral, ideological spirit in eastern Ukraine is not the same as in Crimea, not that preparation ..... no power ....

[yarvol]

It's not about morale. Just the bulk of the patriots of Donbass consists of the dregs of society. That's normal to them and do not want to. Shooters subtly hints at this, probably I’m ashamed to say it openly.

[MAFIA]

Colleagues, until there is support, there will be no supporters. Currently, most people are inert in nature, they would have the Internet, eat, drink and sleep. I’m not saying that this is bad, but it’s a reality, so that people rise up, they need serious crash stress. In Ukraine, people are tortured, tired, they are being fed with unverified information from all sides, no one has faith. The referendum passed, so what? Where is the help from Russia expected there? I’m not talking about the military, give people medicine, food, fuel, they will do the rest themselves. Send advisers on the formation of statehood, help organize legislative activities, the border, the police, why doesn’t Putin do this? His rating can also collapse rapidly as he has grown. If we are accused of everything that happens there, what difference does it make to us? Or does someone know more than us, maybe sanctions are not so harmless?

[gmasterbit]

Kramatorsk and Slavic fight for the whole of Ukraine, while in the new republics they divide portfolios, draw coats of arms and persuade Russia to bend down so that it would be more convenient to sit on her neck .. and this is normal, any power is only interested in money and its own security, but with the Ukrainian mentality - , my hut is on the verge, and, and what for us ?, it cannot be otherwise, there will simply be a redistribution of property.
it's a pity that the shooters will most likely remove "their own" later, the heroes of power are needed exclusively dead, so that there is no competition and uncomfortable questions

[mik0588]

repost: Unfortunately, the fate of ancient Rome awaits Kiev. Grazing goats in the squares, radish, dill ...
And the barbarians from Galicia, crushing in the porches

[starley]

The Ukrainian trouble lies in the fact that there is no people in the country.
Every resident of ukraine deeply despises every other resident of ukraine, being in full confidence of his own superiority in mind, hard work and other qualities over any other "detached ukry".
This population cannot be defined even as a herd of sheep - those noble animals, although they are frightened, keep themselves in a tight group and do not sell each other.
Most likely, the population of dill can be defined as snails: each has its own shelter and no desire for unification (with the exception of mating periods), and the place that all others have is their head is in these individuals with their eyes.

[starik80]

Straight to the point.

[Ivan Vasilievich Grozny]

No, not a flock of sheep, but people! Yes, everyone has their own understanding of what is happening. In the west of the country there is an eternal dislike for Muscovites. In the east, on the contrary, there is a vision in Moscow of an intercessor and defender. Remember the story, after all, these lands were once our defenders, Cossack frontiers. Now it's time to protect them from the new Kiev authorities. There was a time to throw stones, and now it's time to collect them. Or rather, to collect the Great State. And after all, the people themselves in those areas want to be part of Great Russia, I say without any pathos!

[homosum20]

And I say without any pathetics - I want to go to the toilet. And this is my personal affair, as is the affair of people who want to go to Russia — their personal affair. More important - do we want them in Russia. That would be worth discussing in more detail.