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Ukraine: who is to blame and what's next?

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Ukraine: who is to blame and what's next?The tragedy of Ukraine cannot but cause shock and compassion. The separation of the Crimea, Donbass and Lugansk, the “anti-terrorist operation”, the excesses of the National Guard, the massive burning of Odessans are only the beginning, if only because there is essentially nothing that would radically change the tactics of the interim government until it happens.


The government relies on the West, and its advice is the same. The main task set by them has already been accomplished: Ukraine has ceased to be an ally or even a good neighbor of Russia; a substantial part of the Ukrainians blame all the problems of Russian saboteurs and Putin personally. At the same time, everyone somehow forgot that the runaway President Yanukovych was chosen twice, the second time was certainly publicly and honestly, as well as the parliament, so there was no one to blame but himself.

According to the logic of things, the next goal of the temporary workers is to hold out until the “election” to approve the “achievements” of the coup and at the same time shift the responsibility for the consequences to the new leadership. The fact that there is no one to choose does not bother anyone, and after the election the train will leave, and there will be no need to restrain and avoid the use of repression against compatriots. If it comes to that, heavy weapon Be sure to go into action (as at the end of the performance a gun is fired, hanging on the wall in the first act). So, after the elections of 25 on May, if they are realized, we should expect serious clashes in the East, and in other Russian-speaking regions - witch hunts with mass prosecutions of all disloyal.

The preview of the future has already appeared on the screens - this is an unspoken overlap of the water supply to the Crimea. It’s not easier for Ukraine from this dirty trick, you’ll never find another word, and the harvest in Crimea dies, which seriously hits the residents of Crimea, whom the interim government still officially considers Ukrainians (at least in a declarative manner).

Even now there is no talk of restoring the economy, all funds borrowed and somehow coming into the treasury go to war and social payments (again, so that the people, God forbid, do not sober up and start resenting ahead of time). Unfortunately, nationalists do not understand that a pledge of sovereignty is a strong economy and, as a result, wealth of citizens, a capable army and independent policy, and not vice versa.

Interestingly, the compromising parties, and even the accomplices of the domineering trio, sense the impending events and have already begun to grumble out loud. The Communist Party and the Party of Regions in the Rada openly spoke in favor of stopping the slaughter and accused the government of lying - they understand that those who remain in the political arena when the smoke clears will have to deal with angry people in the Southeast, a collapsed country and a leaky economy. Moreover, it will be necessary to explain to the voter why he was lied about the successes and losses of the ATO. Turchinov and Yatsenyuk associates have and use the opportunity to retreat to countries with developed democracies on the sly, and the rest what to do?

Many Ukrainians are hoping for elections as a logical continuation of Maidan, mistakenly believing that with the new, democratically elected leadership, well, with the help of the European Union and the United States, all problems will be solved by themselves, if not immediately. Unfortunately, these aspirations cannot be realized even theoretically, because Ukraine depends on Russia in the same way as Canada depends on the United States, and it is impossible to break this dependence except by economic, political, and national self-destruction.

There are several equally probable scenarios for the development of events - from the formation of the liberation army in the Donbass with the subsequent “liberation” by it of the whole, or at least most of Ukraine, to the amicable federalization of the country. Which of them will come true - time will tell. One thing is for sure - Russia will not retreat from its vital interests, therefore the continuation of a hostile course, membership in the EU and NATO and the existence of Ukraine as an independent state in its present borders are incompatible and impossible.

Russia has nothing to blame for this: in its place Ukraine, and any other state, would behave in the same way. Therefore, it is important to understand that Ukraine is now at a crossroads where patriots and nationalists diverge in different directions. Patriots think about saving the nation, nationalists think about joining the European Union at any cost, including the separation of the country and the people and a fratricidal civil war.

It is disturbing that the majority of the population in the central and western regions not only do not understand this, but do not even think about it. In their minds, the European Union is “the beautiful far,” which suddenly became closer. In fact, the EU is like a horizon line or low stars in the night sky: you don’t have to get too much and not even because we, Ukrainians, the poor, or because of Russian intrigues. Let's look at ourselves from the outside and recognize that the rulers are a reflection of the state of society, so the corruption of Yanukovych is a reflection of the corruption of the whole country. Do you think EU membership will fix this? Did membership in the Communist Party during the USSR make a worthy person out of a scoundrel?

However, who is pleased to admit their shortcomings? It is much easier to blame others for all the troubles, be it Yanukovych, Putin, or anyone else. The patriot in the present situation must first of all think about saving the lives of Ukrainians, about preventing a split in the country, about national accord and reconciliation, regardless of foreign policy.

Unfortunately, the majority of nationalists or compromisers turned out to be. When did such a shift occur in the minds of educated, conscious, and, in general, not hungry people?

I admit, at first I sinned on Yushchenko, but then I realized that he only vocalized and brought to the surface what they had brewed before him and that they were implanting the philistine into the subconsciousness since Ukraine had declared independence.

In the distant 91, in the wake of the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine needed its own national identity. The nationalist party “Ruh” (“Movement”), which was then very popular, had a ready-made solution - the Petliura trident and the yellow-blue flag (who also used all kinds of Bandera during and after World War II).

It would seem that nothing terrible, a beautiful flag, symbolizes the blue sky above the yellow wheat fields. But this was the first impetus for the subconscious - if this is our flag, then both Petliura and Bandera are ours, and those against whom they fought are enemies. At that time, everyone in Ukraine knew the origin of these symbols. Even in the textbook of Ukrainian literature there was a poem by Vladimir Sosyura (classic), which began with the lines:
“Biy Ogrimiv, yellow-blue banner zatrіpotіli stations znov ...” (“The battle died down, the yellow-blue banners fluttered at the station again ...”) The poem about the execution of prisoners by the Petliurists, according to personal impressions when being a Red Army man, the crew of 9 ").

Then the nationalist greeting-response - “Glory to Ukraine!” Came back into use. Glory to the heroes! ”, That is, glory to us, the elect and the heroes. It sounded exotic and even piquant, albeit pompous. If there is a reason, let others praise, anyone can do it. In contrast, in the Red, Soviet, and then in the Russian Army, fighters, according to the charter, answered "I serve": the working people, the Soviet Union, the Fatherland, finally. Catch the difference? By definition, service to the motherland is above glory and titles - this is true patriotism! Most of the adult men in Ukraine before the age of 91 served in the Soviet Army - what, they forgot so quickly? No, just nationalism is poison, gas without color and odor. Recall that fascism is National Socialism, that is, socialism, built and bringing benefits to one, the highest nation or race at the expense of others. The USSR opposed fascism with "international socialism", in which enemies were determined not by genetics or citizenship, but by a thirst for profit at the expense of others (therefore, German fascism was, by definition, an enemy of the USSR). Now Ukraine is introducing a modified concept - "national capitalism", which is different from its historical predecessors of the capitalist system with a similar exaltation of the nation. So there’s nothing to be offended by the Russian press, which calls the new government fascists, for nothing.

As we once turned a blind eye to an odious trident and a flag, now we turn a blind eye to the facts (the majority of the population of Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk, the recognition of the fact that it was not Berkut who shot the celestial hundred and its colleagues, that the DPR militia fought steadfastly and defeat after defeat to the national guards, who are much to fight only with unarmed, etc.).

Now is the last opportunity to open your eyes and start asking uncomfortable questions. It can not be missed!
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  1. I do not care
    I do not care 19 May 2014 08: 58
    +61
    some Ukrainians blame Russian saboteurs and Putin personally for all the problems


    They ask Putin: “Why won't the Russian troops put an end to the Ukrainian lawlessness with one decisive offensive?” - I explain with a simple example. Imagine a big pile of crap. - Well, presented. “Now imagine that you hit her with all your might with your fist!”
    1. xbhxbr-777
      xbhxbr-777 19 May 2014 09: 40
      +9
      I totally agree! wink
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 19 May 2014 10: 02
        +21
        beautiful flag, symbolizes the blue sky over the yellow wheat fields.


        1. Alll1
          Alll1 19 May 2014 10: 43
          +27
          Greatly reminiscent of "The Apotheosis of War" ...
          1. thinker
            thinker 19 May 2014 11: 31
            +7
            Yes, with skulls it matches very much! It remains only to recall how it was
        2. Azzzwer
          Azzzwer 19 May 2014 11: 29
          +3
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          beautiful flag, symbolizes the blue sky over the yellow wheat fields.

          Yeah, only at Petlyura the flag was initially turned the other way around, and it was yellow-blue!
        3. halg
          halg 19 May 2014 11: 57
          +4
          A slightly different edition "fucked up to the sky"
        4. avg
          avg 19 May 2014 16: 28
          +6
          Regarding the zombies of Ukrainians.
          My friend’s mother recently came from the White Church, grandmother - deputy. Chairman of the district veteran organization. She began to scold Putin at the airport. Then for two days I watched the news on all channels, after which I began to call my acquaintances in Ukraine with the statement that they didn’t say anything to them or brazenly deceive.
        5. Cherdak
          Cherdak 19 May 2014 20: 15
          +1
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          beautiful flag, symbolizes the blue sky over the yellow wheat fields.

          Not certainly in that way - fucked up to heaven.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 19 May 2014 10: 18
      +21
      Vova! Good day! hi
      I'm not guilty!!! stop The Internet has fallen off!
      An anecdote is quite good about the prospects of Ukraine (I really already brought it somehow, but maybe someone forgot, and who doesn’t know at all ...):
      Bobby and Ball meet. Bobik is all so well-fed, wool is shiny, yawning lazily, and Sharik is all ragged, skinny as a scooter, wool is shredded, he is so pulled all over, his head sniffs at everything, saliva drips from his mouth ...
      Bobby: -Hi Ball! Where are you working now?
      Ball: - At a ball-bearing factory, and where are you?
      Bobik: - And I'm at the meat factory. We have meat - a shaft, bones - in general unmeasured. The work is not dusty: a couple of times a day you bark and that's it, lie yourself sleeping. Join us!
      Ball: -Not. I have a perspective at the factory.
      Bobik: -What is such a prospect?
      Ball: Yes, I heard a conversation between our director and the chief engineer ...
      Bobik: - And what do they say?
      Sharik: - The director said: "If things go on like this, then soon we'll be at Sharik's ... sucking!" So I'm waiting ...
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 19 May 2014 10: 29
        +1
        Hello, Yuri, do not worry, heroically dealt independently drinks in the evening, and no less
        heroically in the morning stop It’s a pity it’s time to work, we will dock in the evening.
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 19 May 2014 10: 40
          0
          Quote: me by
          , dock in the evening.

          Noticed. drinks
    3. stappler
      stappler 19 May 2014 10: 32
      +2
      give weapons, 27 of thousands are registered as militias, for each machine of the queue there are 8 people.
      Sala Ukraine, the heroes of Sala.
      1. older
        older 19 May 2014 11: 06
        +7
        Quote: stappler
        give weapons, xnumx thousand are recorded as militias

        But what, warehouses with about 3 million trunks are no longer suitable? What are the bad German machine guns during the war? Or ours? Give, this is some kind of communist slogan ... We must go and take it. It’s not fighting weapons, people are fighting ...
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 19 May 2014 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: older
          But what, warehouses with about 3 million trunks are no longer suitable?

          If the warehouses are even hypothetically guarding 27 machine-gun crews, then 27 thousand unarmed people will fall there as one. The warehouses should be taken by people with weapons, under the cover of armor, otherwise you can put all unarmed militia there.
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 19 May 2014 22: 14
          0
          Quote: older
          But what, warehouses with about 3 million trunks are no longer suitable?

          Strelkov said a little earlier that weapons, in principle, had been seized and acquired a sufficient amount. Not enough fighters and commanders ...
          This, by the way, suggests that a bunch of pluses to the post about a bunch of shit put for good reason ...
      2. matross
        matross 19 May 2014 11: 44
        +5
        Quote: stappler
        give weapons, 27 of thousands are registered as militias, for each machine of the queue there are 8 people.

        According to your comrade Strelkov I.I. deceives us all? He claims that the weapons are in bulk, and there is no one to fight - everyone is sitting in the huts, they are waiting for the Russian army!
      3. AnaBat
        AnaBat 19 May 2014 11: 54
        +12


        Militias caught a black man soldier and say hello to the Judeo-Masonic lodge laughing
      4. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 20 May 2014 04: 15
        0
        Quote: stappler
        to the heroes of fat.


        ... which hung from horseradish?
    4. Rus2012
      Rus2012 19 May 2014 10: 54
      +8
      Quote: me by
      Imagine a big pile of shit

      ... they have to ditch this heap of guan without a trace.
      Then there will come a sobering and adequate perception of reality in full glory ...
    5. Lelek
      Lelek 19 May 2014 10: 59
      +1
      Very convincing. Plus. bully
    6. timur73
      timur73 19 May 2014 11: 33
      +2
      Figuratively and stinks, but very accurately +++
    7. Penzyac
      Penzyac 19 May 2014 12: 41
      +2
      Quote: me by
      some Ukrainians blame Russian saboteurs and Putin personally for all the problems


      They ask Putin: “Why won't the Russian troops put an end to the Ukrainian lawlessness with one decisive offensive?” - I explain with a simple example. Imagine a big pile of crap. - Well, presented. “Now imagine that you hit her with all your might with your fist!”

      You can’t say better, accurately and clearly! wassat
    8. nycsson
      nycsson 19 May 2014 13: 31
      0
      Putin ordered the withdrawal of troops from the border with Ukraine

      19.05.2014

      President Putin gave the command to return the troops located on the border with Ukraine to the places of permanent deployment, Interfax reports.

      The troops were at training grounds in the Rostov, Belgorod and Bryansk regions.

      Recall that earlier on 7 in May Putin already announced that Russia had withdrawn troops from the border with Ukraine. “They told us all the time that our troops on the Ukrainian border were worried - we took them away,” Vladimir Putin told reporters after a meeting with the head of Switzerland and OSCE chairman Didier Burkhalter. “Today, the troops are not on the Ukrainian border, but in places where they conduct their regular exercises at training grounds.”

      In turn, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen on May 8 said: "We see no signs that Russia has withdrawn its troops from the Ukrainian border."

      Such things ...
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 19 May 2014 13: 42
        +1
        Quote: nycsson
        Such things ...


        In fact, the paths of Krajina are inscrutable ...
        Good will not be long.
        And it doesn't matter whether the elections will take place on May 25, at which the United States has appointed ahead of time the "winner" Poroshenko (Pig Senk, in the Chinese pronunciation. They have dumb hissing ...), Waltzman is by birth.
        Let the Natsik Bandera rejoice who they choose ...
        Have 3,14ndos and Blanc "B", if suddenly there is a force majeure with their protege. Who do you think they are betting on? That's right, on the fascist Yarosh, his fattening man. They don't care what scenario chaos will develop on the ruin ...
        But the Eurogeipop doesn't care - they will have to clean the "agiyev stables" after the Nazis ...
        We, in principle, also do not care. Once the great ukry brewed porridge with dermak, they him and dred to the bottom. But, since you have to fight, it is better with uniquely odious bandits.
        Mrs. Yulechke and Co. - the same Yankees narrowed the path and tied their hands - there will be no active Euro-Maidan 3.0 or 4.0 from their cry. But. perhaps in their hearts they dream that, someone will organize this business for them, or they will flood the powder ...
        Wait and see...

        By the way, here - http://takie.org/news/zhelanija_i_vozmozhnosti/2014-05-18-10505
        there is a good vision of what is and will be on the edge ...
      2. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 19 May 2014 14: 35
        +2
        Well, thank God we’re not living in the 14th century, troops can be brought to the border by rail in a matter of hours, and airborne assault can be transferred from Pskov to Kiev in an hour.
    9. nikolay no zver
      nikolay no zver 19 May 2014 15: 28
      +2
      “They ask Putin:“ Why won't the Russian troops put an end to the Ukrainian lawlessness with one decisive offensive? ”I explain with a simple example. Imagine a big pile of shit.“ Well, they did. ”Now imagine that you hit it with all your strength with your fist! "
      So what? Wait when it floats on us? We must not beat, shift to Europe, a bulldozer.
    10. nikolay no zver
      nikolay no zver 19 May 2014 15: 28
      +1
      “They ask Putin:“ Why won't the Russian troops put an end to the Ukrainian lawlessness with one decisive offensive? ”I explain with a simple example. Imagine a big pile of shit.“ Well, they did. ”Now imagine that you hit it with all your strength with your fist! "
      So what? Wait when it floats on us? We must not beat, shift to Europe, a bulldozer.
    11. Serg7281
      Serg7281 19 May 2014 17: 50
      +1
      It’s not necessary to use a fist, but using different chemicals, it’s very good, but those who turn this pile into harmless slag.
    12. ispaniard
      ispaniard 19 May 2014 20: 13
      +2

      The opinion of an ordinary Kievite about what happened and is happening ... I wanted to add something, but the comments are superfluous. sad Do not pay attention to the mat, the guy is worried winked
  2. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 19 May 2014 08: 59
    +18
    Now is the last opportunity to open your eyes and start asking uncomfortable questions. It can not be missed!

    So in order to ask uncomfortable questions, you must at least admit your mistakes as well. And Svidomo with this huge strain. What is only one Yaytsenyukh, with an ultimatum about the time at which Russia should give gas and think about the price ... Freebie, this is the life style of Svidomo, and when it is taken away, this is a shock to the foundations ...hi
    1. from punk
      from punk 19 May 2014 09: 06
      +4
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      Now is the last opportunity to open your eyes and start asking uncomfortable questions. It can not be missed!

      what questions? if the election campaign is held under the slogan-who will conduct the cleansing of Ukraine from the infidels harder. Tymoshenko is preparing the next revolution, Yarosh and other armies are gathering to pacify. And all this is shown all over Ukraine and they also see in the West
      1. ibuts
        19 May 2014 12: 22
        +2
        The questions are simple - why is the army deserting? Why are losses underestimated? Why Yaytsenyuk himself admitted that "ATO" is, in fact, in hostile territory, and further down the list. Everyone is fed heroics and victorious reports on TV, and they also chatter a European carrot in front of their noses, and people, like a donkey, follow this carrot without looking around. If the people find the strength to distract themselves from promises and think about the price of this manna, maybe not only the communists and regions will start protesting. While the government uses lies to rally the people against the "enemy" in the East under its own banners, if this lie is publicly exposed, protests will begin, suppression will begin in the temporarily food-control areas, there is a serious likelihood that the patrons will be forced to turn off the money tap.
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 19 May 2014 09: 47
      +13
      Now is the last opportunity to open your eyes and start asking uncomfortable questions. It can not be missed!

      That's right! How long can you think one thing ... and say, and even more so to do, is another ... Everyone understands perfectly well that EVERYTHING (!!!) - UKRAINE AS IS ALREADY NO! And it WILL NOT! FOR TWO WORLD VIEWS COLLECTED! And immediately it will be very painful, but the sooner this understanding turns into life ... the less blood there will be ... victims! There will be more screams and "stinks" of "liberoids" and other verbiage that bargain only for the right to carry nonsense without consequences. And more sanctions. We have already experienced both one and the other and will survive in the future.
      We only become stronger. But there are alarming signals from the political elite of Russia.
      Yesterday, at the next "Sunday ..." V. Solovyov did not like I. YAROVAYA (head of the State Duma Committee on Defense and Security), an official and very well informed person ... She ... like everyone else ... was very worried for the ever-increasing number of victims in YUVU ... but immediately asked a question to the representatives of Lugansk .... the level of Vasya, a poor student from the 2nd grade - WHAT'S NEXT? WHY DID YOU COVER ALL THIS? AND WHAT DO YOU WANT? I thought that opponents from NOVOROSSIA would beat her right during the transfer ... they exploded so much! But YAROVAYA found support in the face of the "outstanding political lady" - I. KHAKAMADA!
      Have we really reversed and don’t understand the dialectic of the development of the situation in Ukraine !? The question is clearly inconvenient ... but it must be answered! Tomorrow may be too late!
      So it's time to make decisions to support the fight against the genocide of the Russian-Ukrainian people of YUVU! Perhaps it will be adopted after coordinating positions during V. Putin's visit to China? I would like to believe in it ... as well as to believe that the Kremlin's slogan is "Russians don't give up their own!" not just empty words ...
      1. vsoltan
        vsoltan 19 May 2014 11: 24
        +8
        And say, there is no Ukraine .... get out, even they hold festivals :))
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      3. Fin
        Fin 19 May 2014 11: 39
        +4
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        But YAROVAYA found support in the face of the "outstanding political lady" - I. KHAKAMADA!

        Yarovaya 10 years was in the party "Yabloko", in 2007 she joined the United Russia. Madame is not in control of the situation, she was invited because she was a native of Makeevka. Once again she exposed herself as dooy. And Khakamada was in her repertoire, well, what can a clever secretary say. The more I look at her and others like me, the more I become convinced of the worthlessness, limitation and venality of the so-called opposition.
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    4. northern
      northern 19 May 2014 10: 04
      +13
      abroad will help us, yeah
    5. andj61
      andj61 19 May 2014 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: Russian quilted jacket
      What is only one Yaytsenyukh, with an ultimatum about the time at which Russia should give gas and think about the price ... Freebie, this is the life style of Svidomo, and when it is taken away, this is a shock to the foundations ...

      The saddest thing is that, in response to this ultimatum, our kind of backtracked and are ready to give a discount!
      Russia is ready to provide Ukraine with a discount on gas if Kiev pays the debt accumulated before April 1. This was announced by Energy Minister Alexander Novak. We are talking about the amount of 2 billion 237 million dollars.
      May 16, 2014, Friday, 21:19, Channel 1
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 19 May 2014 11: 10
        +8
        Simply, the Russian Federation is firmly convinced that the debt will not be paid (Western tranches have long been offshore in the accounts of oligarchs). And this statement is another signal for Europe that the so-called Ukraine is completely bankrupt and will steal your European gas, so deal with the uglies yourself, you gave birth to them - you dance them. stop
  3. Arhj
    Arhj 19 May 2014 09: 00
    +15
    The problem of the Ukrainian people is that due to the artificial formation of the modern state of Ukraine, they have never learned to be a people. Due to the lack of unity, the nation was not formed. And how could it have formed if the national policy was based not on the postulate "we are Ukrainians", but on the dogma "we are not Russians", well, or "Ukraine is not Russia"
    1. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 19 May 2014 14: 42
      +1
      that's what Solzhenitsyn said about Ukrainian nationalism
      Written in 1968, published in 1974 (ARCHIPELAG GULAG, Part Five, chapter 2):

      ... It pains me to write about it: Ukrainian and Russian are united in my blood, in my heart, and in my thoughts. But the great experience of friendly communication with the Ukrainians in the camps revealed to me how sad they were. Our generation cannot avoid paying for the mistakes of the elders.

      Stomp your foot and shout "mine!" - the easiest way. Immeasurably harder to say: "who wants to live - live!" Surprisingly, the predictions of the Advanced Teaching did not come true that nationalism is withering. For some reason, he flourished in the age of the atom and cybernetics. And the time is right for us, whether we like it or not, to pay all promissory notes on self-determination, on independence, to pay ourselves, and not to wait for us to be burned at the stake, to drown and behead in rivers. Whether we are a great nation, we must prove not with the vastness of the territory, not with the number of trust nations, but with the grandeur of actions. And the depth of plowing what remains for us minus the lands that will not want to live with us.
      the whole article is here: http://www.rg.ru/2014/05/16/solzhenitsyn.html
      1. svd-xnumx
        svd-xnumx 19 May 2014 15: 22
        0
        here is the continuation
        Ukraine will be extremely painful. But you need to know their total heat now. If it has not been settled over the centuries, it means that it has become prudent for us. We are obliged to give the decision to them - to the federalists or the separatists, who will convince anyone of them. Do not give in - madness and cruelty. And the softer, more tolerant, the more explanatory we will be now, the more hope to restore unity in the future.

        Let them live, try. They will quickly feel that not all problems are solved by the department. (Due to the fact that in different regions of Ukraine there is a different ratio of those who consider themselves to be Ukrainian, and who are Russian, and who do not consider it to be anyone, there will be many difficulties. Maybe in each region you will need your own plebiscite and then preferential and caring attitude to everyone who wants to move. Not all of Ukraine in its current formal Soviet borders is really Ukraine. Some left-bank regions are definitely to Russia. And the Crimea has attributed Khrushchev to Ukraine with oak. And Carpathian (Chervonnaya) Rus? Check it on her: demanding cn to be kind to yourself, how will the Ukrainians to the Carpathian Russians be just?)
  4. domokl
    domokl 19 May 2014 09: 02
    +8
    Yes, there is no longer any opportunity for ophthalmologists. You cannot open your eyes to those who simply do not have them. The new generation of ukrov is just from this category.
    Ukraine will start to think about something only when the uprising will sweep over more and more areas. Now most ukrov, as before, hope that everything will settle down by itself. And they take a position-My hut from the edge ... Even the voting of such people is a foregone conclusion - to ruin the whiteness and then internally tell myself-I didn’t give the Nazis ... etc.
  5. arch_kate3
    arch_kate3 19 May 2014 09: 03
    +5
    Every nation deserves its own government! They themselves brewed, let them dissolve themselves, but we will help the Russians.
  6. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 19 May 2014 09: 04
    +2
    Until the Ukrainians themselves go their own way ... until there is an amorphous majority in the Southeast ... who doesn’t want to hit finger for the sake of their dignified life (some of the nasty questions from the crowd are already being asked in Crimea ... oh we thought now they will give us everything) ... Russia has nothing to do there at all.
    Volunteers personally ... as much as you want ... this is a personal choice.
  7. papont64
    papont64 19 May 2014 09: 05
    +3
    They never became a single nation, and this inevitably leads to confrontation.
  8. volot-voin
    volot-voin 19 May 2014 09: 06
    +22
    Strange some kind of nationalism in Ukraine. Think of the nationalists themselves, under the leadership of the Jews (Poroshenko, Kolomoisky, Tymoshenko, Yatsenyuk, and possibly Turchinov), shouting about association with multicultural Europe, the United States and killing Slavs (like themselves).
    Imagine, for example, Russian nationalists going to fight for Abramovich, Usmanov, Prokhorov or Deripaska, who have turned the country around and persecuted Ukranians and Belarusians instead of illegal migrants .... I talked a lot with Russian nationalists and I will say directly what it is for all the diseases of Russian nationalism (and they are) impossible. In my opinion so complete absurdity.
    Well, what are the nationalists after that? These are not nationalists, but simply militants funded for a split in the Slavic-Russian world.
    1. Horn
      Horn 19 May 2014 09: 26
      +8
      Do you think that Bandera, the son of a Jewish vykross and Jewish Bandersha, was a "fat Ukrainian"? Or, the founding fathers of the Rukh? "You're wrong."
      In the same way as the Galician raguli, who have been under-poles and pre-industrialists for hundreds of years, do not have the right to call themselves Ukrainians.
    2. Turkir
      Turkir 19 May 2014 09: 28
      +12
      Nationalists in the service of the Jewish oligarchs.
      The oligarchs received carte blanche from the United States, but not for free, but for selling the territory of Ukraine.
      Conclusion: nationalists, Bandera, fascists of Ukraine-sell Ukraine to the United States of America, for 30 pieces of silver. Biden's son is an example.
      Nationalists of Ukraine are selling their homeland. Wholesale and Retail.
      -----------------------------
      Probably things should be called by their proper names.
      Nationalists of all stripes have never loved their homeland, they only love themselves.
  9. nomad74
    nomad74 19 May 2014 09: 15
    +8
    Blinded not in 91, but before that even in the 80s this hat with Bandera started in western Ukraine! The KGB didn’t touch the pencil like that and talk at the maximum, they were too politically correct!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 19 May 2014 09: 33
      +3
      You correctly noted this.
      Work with nationalists should be in the first place now. I emphasize, not with patriots, but with nationalism. In any of his hypostases.
  10. northern
    northern 19 May 2014 09: 26
    +7
    All the same, it is not in vain that they say that every nation is worthy of its rulers. The freak show that is now in Ukraine did not grow by itself and not overnight. Either this is such a collective nationwide masochism (well, how can you not love yourself so much ??) Or the people in the general mass are satisfied with this course of events. Then everything is clear with this people. For the massive struggle against the junta is not observed. In words (referendum), everything is for freedom, in deeds - for a feeding trough and peace of mind (if I go to war, they'll kick me out of work!). There is no noticeable mass upsurge. Few are fighting for their lands and families. But two things are clearly expressed - "my house is on the edge" (we are waiting for who will win and join the strong one) and "her majesty a freebie" (send Russian troops and defeat the junta for us). So, neighbors, we either wake up and start thinking and acting, or Pinocchio ourselves.
  11. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 May 2014 09: 30
    +7
    The flag and coat of arms of Ukraine shocked me - they have always been Petlyura and Bandera symbols, and here they have become symbols of the country. Even then, it was necessary to think about where this would lead.
  12. taseka
    taseka 19 May 2014 09: 36
    +6
    Everything repeats in history!
  13. nomad74
    nomad74 19 May 2014 09: 51
    +6
    Quote: Turkir
    You correctly noted this.
    Work with nationalists should be in the first place now. I emphasize, not with patriots, but with nationalism. In any of his hypostases.


    Yes, now the same thing is happening in some regions! Again, political correctness! But how to fight? Than? Wahhabis of the master of dialogue in mosques fight for the minds with the cowardly silence of the official DUMA!
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 19 May 2014 10: 09
      +4
      I have an answer, but will draw on a large article. Briefly.
      We do not have personnel for work on the ideological front. They must be created.
      This implies knowledge of religion, history and languages. You understand the rest.
      There were such books that I recommend to you: Tushkan "Dzhura" and Sytin "Libra of thirst". There are very subtle observations there. By the way, I have lost the "Scales of Thirst", and there is no copy of it on the RuNet. It's a pity.
      It is necessary to understand and know the East well. We live in Eurasia, do not forget about it.
      1. Horn
        Horn 19 May 2014 11: 10
        +1
        Quote: Turkir
        I have an answer, but will draw on a large article. Briefly.
        We do not have personnel for work on the ideological front. They must be created.
        This implies knowledge of religion, history and languages. You understand the rest.
        There were such books that I recommend to you: Tushkan "Dzhura" and Sytin "Libra of thirst". There are very subtle observations there. By the way, I have lost the "Scales of Thirst", and there is no copy of it on the RuNet. It's a pity.
        It is necessary to understand and know the East well. We live in Eurasia, do not forget about it.

        _ Who misinformed you? Everything is. Here is your Sytin:
        Download:
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        Buy:
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  14. Gloria45
    Gloria45 19 May 2014 09: 53
    +3
    Ukraine: who is to blame and what's next?

    Biden, Kerry and Rockefeller will go to all that would colonize Ukraine.
    American healers. Why the USA is so needed South-East of Ukraine
    Oleglurie_new May 17th, 21:23 p.m.
    Shale deposits in the South-East of Ukraine is one of the main reasons for the “anti-terrorist operation” and foreign military presence, and international experts equate its production technology with terrorism
    Statehood of Ukraine at the price of a gas pipe
    Recently, the situation in the Donbass has been causing serious concern: the armed confrontation between security forces and militias continues. However, there is reason to believe that the essence of the issue lies not only in the political, but also in the economic field.
    Although the new Ukrainian government often called the Donbass a subsidized region, which hardly brings money to the state treasury, the latest statements of the International Monetary Fund indicate something else: if Ukraine loses the southeastern regions, the country will need additional investment: budget revenues will be less, which means the risk of default will increase. Leaders of the state do not say once again that it was in the Donetsk region that shale gas production was planned, which could attract multibillion-dollar investments in the country, Joinfo writes.

    The production of shale gas itself has both pros and cons, the question of the relationship and consequences for the environment and the person himself. And given that the lion's share of gas in Ukraine is consumed not by people, but by enterprises. That problem is gaining a very mercantile interest.
    At present, the epicenter of the confrontation between the Ukrainian military and supporters of federalization, many of which are inclined to believe that the Donetsk People's Republic (DNR) can be annexed to Russia, is precisely the Donbass, to be more precise, those areas where it was planned to develop shale gas deposits.
    The interim government of Ukraine hopes to overcome the gas crisis through the production of shale gas, which will be produced in the country, including Chevron. Nevertheless, the technological capabilities that are available today are causing serious concern among specialists around the world.
    http://oleglurie-new.livejournal.com/187482.html
  15. Auralski
    Auralski 19 May 2014 09: 57
    +3
    The article is correct, only it is too late to ask questions.
  16. Neighbor
    Neighbor 19 May 2014 10: 04
    +8
    Not a single Russian oligarch even gave a hint to help the Russian-speaking Ukraine ... They are all theirs and "ours" from the same deck. And they need a war in order for the anti-Russian forces to win the elections.
  17. shelva
    shelva 19 May 2014 10: 27
    +3
    I consider the first question in the title of the article rhetorical and the second - here you need to think twice.
    You can slowly squeeze out SV, relying on the will of the population of the region. But this will be a "war on our territory" and in the eyes of the "world community" we will remain aggressors and invaders.
    Now, if you carry out some kind of offensive operation, for example, to nip the interests of the Americans somewhere in the 3rd world countries or create a powerful military base under their nose, stir up the European separatists, then they would feel how to poke their nose into other people's affairs.
  18. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 19 May 2014 10: 30
    +4
    Quote: Neighbor
    Not a single Russian oligarch hinted to help Russian-speaking Ukraine.


    What do you want from them, they are from the breed of new Russians that the Russian people always hated as bugs swollen from blood on the body of the country. And yet, the raven will not peck out the raven's eye, the dog is white, the dog is black and there are only one habits.
  19. siberalt
    siberalt 19 May 2014 10: 36
    +4
    The author's message is interesting. "Tragedy" of Ukraine and "shifting responsibility to the authorities after the elections" 25 May.
    It seems that neither is the other. Ukraine has always been a tragedy of the Russian people, written by the West. Russian, but not Ukrainian! This is the whole root of understanding what is happening.
    And, according to the second message. Who and to whom are they going to shift the responsibility, if everything goes according to the script written, again by the West? Poroshenko, Turchinov or Yaytsenkha? Completely different owners will come, such as: Biden’s children, Kerry, etc. And to whom then to answer?
  20. Not angry
    Not angry 19 May 2014 10: 37
    +5
    Everyone says who is to blame and what is bad. And basically it all comes down to the fact that Ukrainians blame Russia. Russians blame Ukrainians for choosing their own presidents, etc., etc. And each time the main culprit is missed about him is always casual and rare. For 70 years, the United States owns the lists of Bandera inherited from the Germans. And for 70 years they kept them developed. This is where the root of evil and until they uproot it, the results of the struggle will not be effective.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 19 May 2014 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: Not evil
      Everyone says who is to blame and what is bad. And basically it all comes down to the fact that Ukrainians blame Russia. ...

      And what will happen when the Ukrainians begin to blame the United States and Europe?
      People will not be able to fool endlessly. The longer the mess in the economy lasts, the better for sight and hearing.
  21. Gexzloy
    Gexzloy 19 May 2014 10: 41
    +1
    Type of Caribbean crisis?
    missiles in Cuba to missiles in Turkey?
    Then the 3rd world almost began.
  22. lexxxus
    lexxxus 19 May 2014 10: 50
    +4
    those who remain in the political arena when the smoke clears will have to deal with embittered people in the Southeast, a crumbling country and a holey economy.

    This apparently doesn't interest anyone And hence the conclusion: those who now "run" the country do not need this country. They just do their job and get their royalties in the end. Moreover, they will steal on the sly ...
  23. 97110
    97110 19 May 2014 11: 05
    +5
    Quote: KazaK Bo
    Have we really reversed and don’t understand the dialectic of the development of the situation in Ukraine !? The question is clearly inconvenient ... but it must be answered! Tomorrow may be too late!

    I recalled the story I had read at school about the battle on the Kulikovo field. How the advanced regiment died, how the large regiment thinned out and was served, and the commander of the ambush regiment was waiting and was not led to the screams that "It's time!" What is the time? Substitute for the whole world? Are you in the army, my dear, when you served? We still have a discussion about the advantage of embroidered clothes over footcloths and undershirts, and the enemies who slandered Serdyukov himself have not yet been exposed. Again I say: itching to go. Your decision. Come on, turn into heroes. And they don't wait for us there yet. For them, we are ENEMIES, because we have not betrayed or sold. Because it’s a shame to look into our eyes, it’s a shame to turn on our brains and understand why they sourced the country, for what they exchanged their greatness, the memory of their ancestors. They are scared to die - they will ask - what for? But even among us, the consumers of Yusovsky cookies cannot be moved to Moscow with cancer. Something like this.
  24. serge
    serge 19 May 2014 11: 05
    +8
    The future of Ukraine.
  25. nomad74
    nomad74 19 May 2014 11: 05
    +2
    Quote: Turkir
    I have an answer, but will draw on a large article. Briefly.
    We do not have personnel for work on the ideological front. They must be created.
    This implies knowledge of religion, history and languages. You understand the rest.
    There were such books that I recommend to you: Tushkan "Dzhura" and Sytin "Libra of thirst". There are very subtle observations there. By the way, I have lost the "Scales of Thirst", and there is no copy of it on the RuNet. It's a pity.
    It is necessary to understand and know the East well. We live in Eurasia, do not forget about it.

    I agree with you, we are Europe and the East, with the East making no less contribution to the country's history in its mentality, etc., but there really are no Orientalists! As there is no inter-confessional consent, so that the pride of one or the under-fascism of the other does not interfere with the development of the country and does not serve as factors for the separation of citizens, a ground for further destabilization! I’ll look for books!
  26. nnz226
    nnz226 19 May 2014 11: 17
    +7
    A small nuance: Rohland and the aggressor Karl 12 received the yellow-black flag through the hands of the traitor Mazepa! To distinguish Mazepin Cossacks from others faithful to Russia, pennants of the colors of the Swedish flag were hung at the peaks of the Mazepins. These are the most yellow-black. By the way, a fool about a blue sky and a wheat field, a fairy tale for imbeciles of toddler age. In Russia and Ukraine, the perception of colors and other patterns is perceived either from left to right (as we read), or from top to bottom: this is where the yellow-black flag (that is, yellow from above and blue from below) is mentioned everywhere, and not black-yellow. Even here, Rokhlandia showed her nonsense ...
    1. VNP1958PVN
      VNP1958PVN 19 May 2014 11: 29
      +2
      Well, they are now back to Mazepa and are racing at full speed
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 19 May 2014 13: 31
        +2
        Quote: VNP1958PVN
        Well, they are now back to Mazepa and are racing at full speed

        The fate will be the same.
  27. Lelek
    Lelek 19 May 2014 11: 27
    +5
    The main tasks of the current ruling clique in Kiev are "not to sell cheap" and "to get out in time." What will become of their Black Hundreds and the so-called Ukraine itself, they "deeply do not care." In this situation, it is necessary to help the pro-Russian regions as much as possible, despite the cries of our Russian kuraul-liberals. yes
  28. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 19 May 2014 11: 31
    +3
    Why look for the guilty? Maidans, surrenders do not come from an awesome pursuit of freedom, but from the eternal desire of ho.h.l.a. Make money at the expense of others, and not earn!
  29. Tektor
    Tektor 19 May 2014 11: 44
    +7
    For some reason, much escaped the eyes of the author. The most important thing is that since February 22, Uraina left the legal constitutional field, and the May 25 elections will not help here: Yanukovych will remain the president in exile. The use of the army against the people makes leaders twice illegitimate, violators of today’s none of the versions of the constitution. In such a situation, the proclamation by the regions of their independence or independence is a compulsory measure to establish an elementary rule of law, based on the principle of respect for human rights. It is only on the basis of universal international principles that a way out of the situation can be found. The declaration by the Autonomous Republic of Crimea of ​​its independence is such a step. After the adoption of the status of an independent republic, due to the lack of constitutional order in Ukraine, the republic has the right to turn to anywhere with a request for association. The situation is completely similar with the rest of the regions of Ukraine, which announced their independent status. Based on universal human rights, the Kosovo precedent and the prevention of humanitarian catastrophe.
    1. ibuts
      19 May 2014 12: 09
      +3
      You are right from a legal point of view, but the elections are oriented towards the West and must justify the interim government in the eyes of the West, more precisely, of the Western philistine, entrepreneur, and voter, in order to untie the hands of their governments. From their point of view, if the people have expressed their will, no matter how, it means that the constitution can be adjusted. The fact is that supporting an illegitimate government of punishers is politically expensive and economically risky, so neither the IMF nor a single government will approve the financing of the junta before the "legitimate" elections, because taxpayers may ask for this.
  30. Giant thought
    Giant thought 19 May 2014 11: 44
    +4
    The essence of all the troubles on earth in recent decades is the presence on the body of the Earth of a state - a giant parasite - the United States.
  31. X Y Z
    X Y Z 19 May 2014 12: 10
    +4
    Fascism is not only profit. Let us recall that Hitler's regime gave a lot to the declassed elements (Hitler actually was kei), shopkeepers, etc. They became Aryans, the chosen race, received uniforms, generals and officers' shoulder straps, and became the mainstay of German society. Accordingly, in Ukraine, a poorly educated, poor, unemployed stratum of society acquired the title of defenders of accountability, heirs of the noble ancient ukrov, as opposed to "vatniks", "pits", etc., which are customary to despise and hate. And you don't need to do anything special, but you can quickly become a "hero" and bearer of the highest virtues of this society.
  32. crambol
    crambol 19 May 2014 13: 06
    +1
    secret shutoff of water supply to the Crimea. Ukraine from this dirty trick, you can’t find another word, it’s not easier


    The author is wrong. It’s good that the neighbor has a cow. But it would be better if she died in him!
  33. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 19 May 2014 13: 33
    +2
    Ukraine, in view of its artificial education, was initially doomed to collapse ... The question was exactly when. So it started. It’s a pity ordinary people. Now there can be no question of any federalization of the country!
  34. Sour
    Sour 19 May 2014 13: 40
    0
    Ukraine has ceased to be an ally or even a good neighbor of Russia;

    Stopped it? Has it ever been?
    Ukraine was originally created as an anti-Russian project. Their entire national mentality is built on the opposition of Russia. And besides this, there is nothing in it.
  35. vsoltan
    vsoltan 19 May 2014 15: 43
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    Ukraine will start to think something only when the uprising will cover more and more new areas.

    And it seems to me that even then she will not begin to think sad
  36. Vladimir1960
    Vladimir1960 19 May 2014 16: 13
    +2
    Joke.
    The Verkhovna Rada proposed equating the DPR and LPR and all who support them to terrorists!
    Finally, Ukraine will fall into the Guinness Book of Records: no one in the world has a terrorist organization of nearly 7 million people!
  37. ATATA
    ATATA 19 May 2014 18: 31
    0
    Now is the last opportunity to open your eyes and start asking uncomfortable questions. It can not be missed!

    These questions should be asked to the government of the Russian Federation and Putin personally, how it turned out that every second Russian Ukrainian in Ukraine believes that Russia is an aggressor and why Russia is now going to buy the hryvnia in gold and gold reserves. http://lenta.ru/news/2/2014/05/reserve/
  38. Repty
    Repty 19 May 2014 20: 47
    +1
    Quote: Lelek
    Lelek (1) Today, 11:10 ↑
    Simply, the Russian Federation is firmly convinced that the debt will not be paid (Western tranches have long been offshore in the accounts of oligarchs). And this statement is another signal for Europe that the so-called Ukraine is completely bankrupt and will steal your European gas, so deal with the uglies yourself, you gave birth to them - you dance them.



    "According to international rules, in the case when a case is considered in international arbitration, one party cannot unilaterally terminate the supply of goods, terminate the contract that is being appealed," he said. Turchynov * recalled that Ukraine has filed a claim against the Russian Federation in international arbitration. "Gas blackmail is a favorite form of pressure (from the Russian Federation. - Ed.) Not only on Ukraine, but also on many countries, in particular Europe, and here, it seems to me, the time has come to put an end to this blackmail. That is why we turned to to international arbitration in order to end this format, when Russia unilaterally constantly revises prices in the direction of their increase, "Turchinov explained. Source: http://censor.net.ua/n285887

    In how. They openly say that they will spray gas from the pipe. Now let pi.dosy pay for gas in Ukraine.
  39. homosum20
    homosum20 19 May 2014 21: 34
    +1
    Everyone but us is to blame. To pay us debts. (This is our point of view, and we agree with it).
  40. Lukich
    Lukich 19 May 2014 21: 34
    +5
    never been and never will be fraternal peoples. only if with separate areas
  41. nvv
    nvv 20 May 2014 03: 42
    0
    I watched the video. Emotions are positive. By the way, I haven’t been watching TV for several years. And suddenly this video appears on TNT. On the same channel there were continuous cops-killers-thieves-cops. What is it? Generic enlightenment? Are the rats fleeing the ship? Or a new ploy of the chosen ones?