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The US Treasury is preparing to deliver the main blow to Russia

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The US Treasury is preparing to deliver the main blow to Russia



All sorts of sanctions against Russia, which the Obama administration is intimidating today, can only be a diversion. Present economic weapon only the US Treasury Department has it: it can cause real damage to the domestic economy.

This is the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA, Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act), which is due to enter the final phase of the July 1 2014. A small chance to sign a “soft” version of the FATCA agreement with the United States remained even after Washington declared termination of negotiations in March against the background of the Ukrainian events and the entry of Crimea into Russia. However, on the eve of the Assistant US Treasury Secretary Daniel Glaser said he is not going to resume negotiations on the accession of Russian banks to the US tax information collection regime (FATCA). “The US Treasury Department at this stage does not intend to resume negotiations with Russia,” the official said, speaking to the Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs at a hearing on the situation in Ukraine.

1 July is not far off, which means that a “tough” version of the FATCA agreement may begin to apply to Russia. So why is this law so terrible for Russia? The professor, the doctor of economic sciences, the chairman of the Russian Economic Society named after. S.F. Sharapova Valentin Katasonov:

- Recall that in the US 2010, a law was passed on the taxation of foreign accounts. English abbreviation of this act - FATCA (FATKA). The law was adopted in order to increase the efficiency of tax collection, to prevent tax evasion into the American treasury from those individuals and legal entities who are outside the US, have their business abroad, open accounts in foreign banks. According to American law, citizens and companies of the United States (or with the participation of the capital of American legal entities and individuals) are required to pay taxes to the American treasury, regardless of their location. This law has a pronounced extraterritorial nature, that is, its action affects not only legal entities and individuals in the United States, but also legal entities in other states.

Specifically, we are talking about banks (as well as other financial organizations - insurance companies, funds, brokerage firms, and so on) of other countries, which, according to FATCA, should report to the US Tax Administration (IRS) about their clients, if they belong to the US taxpayers. The FATCA law was enacted in stages. Since 1 July 2014, the final phase of the introduction of the law begins. From this point on, non-US banks are obliged to submit all necessary information about their customers that fall under the definition of “US taxpayer” to the US Tax Service. Banks that fail to comply with this requirement or will provide corrupted or incomplete information will face US sanctions. First of all, these are penalties in the form of withdrawal of significant amounts from the correspondent accounts of such organizations in US banks, as well as automatic withholding of 30% of the amounts of any financial transactions of such banks passing through the US banking system. And since a huge number of transactions are carried out in US dollars, such operations will inevitably pass through the US banking system. Consequently, the effectiveness of sanctions against banks violating the FATCA law, as envisioned by the authors of this act, will be high. This is a "hard" version of the FATKA.

Washington also offered other countries a softer option as an option. He assumes that banks in other countries do not interact directly with the United States Revenue Service, but deal with the tax services of their countries. And the latter, in turn, provide consolidated information to the United States Revenue Service. The second option provides for the conclusion of an interstate agreement between the United States and the country concerned. As part of the "soft" option, in turn, there are also two options. One option assumes that tax information is exchanged on a reciprocal basis, that is, other countries can also receive information on tax evaders who keep their money in US banks and / or conduct operations through US banks. This is the so-called symmetrical version of the agreement. But there can also be an “asymmetrical” variant, in which only the tax service receives the necessary information from another country.

Most countries in Western Europe have already signed FATCA agreements with the United States. In fact, they resigned themselves to the fact that bank secrecy ceased to exist in the Old World. Many other countries are at different stages of preparing similar agreements. According to some reports, by the end of this year, the total number of countries that have signed the agreement may reach fifty. The United States Revenue Service has recently published a list of countries with which negotiations are underway to fulfill the FATCA conditions and to which the sanctions will not apply until the end of the year. These are fifteen states: Australia, Belgium, Brazil, the British Virgin Islands, Jamaica, Kosovo, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, South Africa, South Korea, Romania.

- What is the reaction of Russia to the introduction of FATKA?

- At first, the Russian Federation declared that this law constituted a gross encroachment on the sovereignty of our country. Then there was a rather long pause. Our banks began to worry, sending their requests to the Bank of Russia, the Ministry of Finance and the Russian government. Some banks, without waiting for the decision of the authorities, began to prepare for the "hard" option, starting the purchase of the necessary software and organizing training for employees to work in a "hard" option. The thing is, by the way, not cheap: counting on one bank - no less than a million dollars. In 2013, the Russian Ministry of Finance announced that it had begun to prepare an agreement with the United States, that is, there was a hope that our banks would work under the conditions of a “soft” option. The Ministry of Finance has repeatedly stated that the agreement will be signed at the beginning of 2014. True, the Ministry of Finance did not disclose the details of the agreement. It was not even known whether this agreement would be “symmetrical” or “asymmetric”. The document was prepared in strict secrecy. A number of experts expressed great hope that the agreement would be “symmetrical”. In this case, Russia could turn the original evil in favor. The FATCA agreement could be an effective tool to prevent capital flight from Russia to the United States. However, judging by some signs, our "offshore aristocracy" was very worried that a "symmetrical" agreement would deal her a death blow. There was active lobbying for an “asymmetric” version of the document.

The events that began in Ukraine at the end of 2013 and continued in 2014 have had a strong influence on the preparation process for the signing of the Russian-US agreement on FATCA. He slowed down. And in March, after Crimea became part of the Russian Federation, Washington declared that in general it would cease negotiations with Moscow regarding the signing of the FATCA agreement. What is the reaction of the Russian Ministry of Finance to a similar demarche? He urgently drafted a bill defining the mode of operation of Russian banks starting from 1 July 2014, that is, taking into account the operation of the American FATCA law. Judging by some “leaks” of information, the bill grants Russian banks the right to directly transfer information about their clients to foreign tax services. He hopes that the State Duma will pass the law before the end of the spring session. The draft law will consist of amendments to the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, laws on banking secrecy and personal data. Now banks can transfer customer data without their consent to a limited circle of people, and foreign tax specialists are not included in this circle. On the bank sidelines, a similar reaction of our authorities to American demarches is described as “surrendering positions without a fight.”

Some experts argue that Russian banks will be able to avoid the sanctions provided for by FATCA, using a proven scheme - opening correspondent accounts not in American but in European banks. Now this method does not work. After all, European banks become agents of the United States Revenue Service (IRS), and they must automatically implement penalties for their banking partners. That is, non-US banks become not only agents acting in the interests of the IRS, but also agents for the implementation of US sanctions on banks that Washington considers to be violators.

The United States Revenue Service warned that Russian banks would have a chance to avoid sanctions if they had registered themselves on the IRS website before 5 in May and received an identification number (GIIN). Starting from 1 July, this number should be shown to all counterparties - FATCA members, so that they do not undertake any penalties in relation to the registered bank.

A number of Russian bankers have already expressed their concerns that the direct interaction of Russian banks with the US Tax Service makes them very vulnerable. If desired, the American tax authorities can always find violations in the actions of Russian banks and take sanctions against them. The threat of US sanctions in connection with possible violations of FATCA by Russian banks is perceived as a real threat, even more real than the threat of blocking VISA and Master-Card payment systems. In early April, a meeting of the “financial twenty” was held in Washington. Russian Finance Minister A. Siluanov arrived at the meeting. The media reported that Siluanov had a conversation with the US Treasury Secretary. The Russian minister tried once again to persuade his American counterpart to return to negotiations on the signing of a bilateral agreement on FATCA.

The Russian media then appeared statements by officials of the Ministry of Finance of Russia, that in the current situation, we are also preparing a law similar to the American FATCA law. It seems like we are preparing "our response to Chamberlain." However, the Russian Federation has no real levers of pressure on foreign banks (primarily US banks). Experts rightly noted that such a law should be considered as a purely political action.

Some experts point out that of the entire spectrum of Washington’s sanctions against Moscow, the mechanism of sanctions against Russian banks, created on the basis of the FATCA law, may be the most painful for Russia. And for the effective protection of Russian banks from the American FATKA law, a radical restructuring of the Russian financial and banking system is required. But unfortunately, our government is not ready for such radical steps.
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  1. SS68SS
    SS68SS 19 May 2014 15: 53
    +107
    Keep your money in purely Russian banks. This will be our "answer to Chamberlain" ...
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    2. sscha
      sscha 19 May 2014 15: 58
      +96
      There is only one radical measure - rejection of the buck (hereinafter referred to as already announced). repeat hi
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 19 May 2014 16: 31
        +29
        The refusal from the buck is inevitable: after July 1, when exchanging dollars at a rate of 36 rubles per dollar, an individual will receive 25 rubles, best case scenarioand at the rate of 30 rubles per dollar - only 21 rubles. When buying, you have to overpay by 30%. Therefore, while the ruble exchange rate is from 25 rubles, it makes sense to exchange it for rubles.
        The "lucky ones" with foreign currency loans will have a separate problem: complete Zh.PA! If banks do not re-register for rubles before July 1 ...
        1. alekseinew
          alekseinew 19 May 2014 22: 55
          +1
          there are other opinions on this issue http://politobzor.net/show-22328-smozhet-li-irs-otsrochit-smert-dollara.html
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 20 May 2014 00: 57
            +2
            So it also seems to me that after the entry into force of this law, all of Asia and the Latinos will be freed from the dollar. It would be 5 percent, it would be a good profit for the Amer treasury. And 30% to pay, IMHO, no one will.
            A variant of our answer to Chamberlain could be the refusal to peg the ruble to the dollar. All the same, this binding in the d.s. loses its meaning, we can buy dollars only with a 30% markup, i.e. overpaying a third of its cost. Investments in US securities will also become impossible, since the yield will not cover the cost of overpayment on purchase. It will be impossible to sell energy resources for dollars, since 30% of the amount will be withdrawn when they pass through amerskie and correspondent banks.
            In fact, it is the iron curtain that will divide the world into the West and the rest. But who will remain in this "rest of the world", we will see. It would be nice, of course, if other players remained in it, besides Russia, Cuba and the DPRK. Otherwise we will have problems. I wonder how China deals with this problem. This is who really has mad problems, since his economy is completely tied to the West and, therefore, to dollar trade.
            1. igor_m_p
              igor_m_p 20 May 2014 02: 09
              +1
              Judging by some reports, Russia has already begun to slowly get rid of the dollar, and then there is an additional incentive. More than ever, refusal from bucks in the sale of energy resources becomes more relevant, in addition, Russian enterprises selling oil / gas from American trading platforms, through which the main flow of transactions now goes to Asian ones, or even opening their own Russian exchanges of the corresponding direction, are possible. So I don’t think that everything is as bad as described in this article.
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 20 May 2014 00: 59
          +3
          I wrote about the same, about the loss of 30%, in response that I have only "green pieces of paper" in my head, and minuses under 40 pieces, but still the reason for everything that is happening in the world is economic, and only then on it tinsel-nationalists are strung, Maidan, imperial Russia, etc.
      2. Denimax
        Denimax 19 May 2014 17: 10
        +6
        Not so fast, it can be a long process.
        And so, the Amer Ministry of Finance is closely connected with the bigwigs of politics.
        In fact, politics is very harmful to everyone, it hinders producers and consumers.
        1. radar1967
          radar1967 19 May 2014 19: 20
          +12
          First you need to contract for the sale of gas to Ukraine in rubles and not in dollars.
          1. Hippopotamus
            Hippopotamus 19 May 2014 22: 33
            +12
            However, it is not entirely clear why the fuss? Thank you "FATKE" ​​and her vassals for giving Russia a unique chance to become a banking Switzerland. That is, to stop disclosing any information about clients of Russian banks altogether - let it be better to bring money to our treasury than to Pindustan. And then we'll see who is the first to howl.
      3. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 19 May 2014 19: 29
        +7
        Then this law should hit China, and then the Americans will remain face to face with their toilet paper!
      4. Sibiryak1303
        Sibiryak1303 19 May 2014 21: 33
        +10
        Tomorrow, Russia and China will agree on replacing the dollar with rubles and yuan, if they agree it will be the first nail in the coffin of a green candy wrapper. laughing
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 20 May 2014 00: 44
          0
          But not the last ..
      5. timer
        timer 19 May 2014 23: 43
        0
        I agree with the higher comments. From myself I will add the following:
        1) Refusing the dollar in payments for energy is a strategic task in the field of finance. But you need to go to this step not only by the Russian Federation, but by a group of countries (for example, BRICS). Create a gas custody with a refusal of mutual settlements from the dollar. Then it will be powerful a hit on typography called the USA.
        2) The article contains an important proposal - "a radical restructuring of the Russian financial and banking system. But our government, unfortunately, is not ready for such radical steps." Unfortunately, the current government, which is supported by the comprador Jewish oligarchy, is not ready and does not want to rinse life, many radical measures to change for the better the political and economic model of the country's life. As the main part of the population was poor, it remains. Moreover, the bankers put this bulk of the population on a credit needle! Everyone owes them. Alcoholism and drug addiction as it grew, And it is growing. There was no middle class, and there is still no. Yes, and there is still a lot of things. Theft has permeated the whole society like rust! Russia is like a cancer patient, metastases expand. And if you do not take decisive action on cardinal treatment, the patient will die!
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 15: 58
      +25
      Quote: SS68SS
      Keep money in purely Russian banks.

      My personal advice: Keep money not just in Russian banks, but in different banks breaking them into small amounts. So it will be easier if something happens, return your wink
      1. Kars
        Kars 19 May 2014 16: 22
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and in different banks breaking them into insignificant amounts

        But is there anything to break? By the way, you should be ashamed of the T-90 traveling from Germany))) in a couple of days, the courier will give a lift
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 18: 00
          +8
          Quote: Kars
          But is there anything to break?

          I have 12 accounts in different banks laughing Time is like that in the morning on the news you can find out that your favorite bank was covered with a copper basin wassat
          Quote: Kars
          )) in a couple of days the courier will give a lift

          Kars, dtsmal you were still tied up by the military commissariat, but it’s relieved now. Tell me, why the hell do you need the T 90, and even in troubled times? winked
          1. Kars
            Kars 19 May 2014 18: 16
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Kars, dtsmal you still tied up military commissariat

            it’s not fate. My documents disappeared. I personally observed it.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Tell me, what the hell are you for 90

            you do not excuse the owner of 12 accounts. in June Merkava 4 from a representative of an Israeli local company will come to you in general will be a shame)))

            but basically you still have the option -72Б mod. 1989g (I didn’t even draw or plan it myself)

            I’ll take a picture of you as a box with 90.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 18: 29
              +4
              Quote: Kars
              my documents disappeared. I personally observed.

              Where did the draft board burn out?
              Quote: Kars

              you do not excuse the owner of 12 accounts

              Kars, you think there are millions. I scattered a little, but in different, so calm.
              Quote: Kars
              I’ll take a picture of you as a box with 90.

              Listen, and you break through your connections there, Poplar M cannot be bought for spare parts laughing
              1. Kars
                Kars 19 May 2014 18: 33
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Where did the draft board burn out?

                no, everything is relatively calm in Zaporozhye. and the approach can always be found. especially when the military also does not like the new government very much and doesn’t break up in war.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                you think there are millions

                I don’t need millions. There are 30 dollars of humanitarian aid (especially since I don’t ask t-84))), but a Russian tank.
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Listen, and you break through your connections there, Poplar M cannot be bought for spare parts

                on an xnumx scale without any problems.
            2. Haye
              Haye 19 May 2014 21: 24
              +2
              'T-90 is coming from Germany' - Revelovsky?
              Compared to theirs, the T72 is not very good.
              1. Kars
                Kars 19 May 2014 21: 48
                +1
                Quote: Haye
                revelovsky

                It seems that Revel doesn’t do the T-90, he rides Chinese from trump, of course he wanted to Meng (he really praises him for troubles, but I had an option to change someone) but they don’t look at the gifted horse.
                1. Haye
                  Haye 19 May 2014 22: 33
                  0
                  72 scale
                  http://www.hobbyforyou.ru/catalog/1095-68291.html

                  And he does not praise Zvezdovsky ?. Like this
                  http://www.hobbyforyou.ru/catalog/1115-54018.html
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 20 May 2014 00: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Haye
                    72 scale

                    not my size

                    Quote: Haye
                    http://www.hobbyforyou.ru/catalog/1115-54018.html

                    No, it doesn’t praise. And probably you better not read what he writes about him.
            3. olegkrava
              olegkrava 19 May 2014 21: 53
              +1
              And what kind of s.ra.ch? Although I’m not seven spans in my forehead, I won’t drive in. Why are we fighting.?
              1. Kars
                Kars 19 May 2014 22: 08
                +1
                Quote: olegkrava
                And what kind of s.ra.ch? Although I’m not seven spans in my forehead, I won’t drive in. Why are we fighting.?

                Do not bother understanding. This is a separate topic of great duration.
        2. pensioner
          pensioner 19 May 2014 22: 36
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          But is there anything to break?
          Romanov has 12 accounts ...
          I'm not so rich. But I have accounts in 4 banks. Gazprom, Sber, SKB and 24 ... A simple engineer ... A common practice in our environment.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 19 May 2014 22: 38
            +2
            Quote: retired
            Romanov has 12 accounts ...
            I'm not so rich. But I have accounts in 4 banks. Gazprom, Sber, SKB and 24 ... A simple engineer ... A common practice in our environment.


            Hello Jura! I also have four accounts in different banks. And all, damn it, credit. lol We break through where it did not disappear ... drinks
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 19 May 2014 22: 41
              +3
              Shash !! You can’t imagine: how glad I am to see you !!! For us, we are good people - drinks 1) Cognac Armenian 5 stars, gives chocolate ... recourse )
              But as for loans, I have an unambiguous setting: IN NO CASE !!!!!!!!!!!
              I’ll fight, but I won’t take a loan! Here 2 years ago (even 2 and a half already) the apartment was changed: kopeck piece for three rubles. Since my wife just did not persuade me to get into a loan - no way! Tightened to the fullest. They sold ALL that could only be sold. Went barefoot, but did not get on credit! My friend really borrowed a little, but not for an apartment, for furniture ...
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 19 May 2014 22: 48
                0
                Quote: retired
                Shash !! You can’t imagine: how glad I am to see you !!! For us, we are good people - drinks 1 (Armenian cognac 5 stars, gives a chocolate bar ... recourse)


                And how glad I am !!!? drinks For us, Yura, for the Invincible !!! drinks (Elder 7 years old). Russia has been trampling down the second millennium for a long time. And the "chicken legs" were exchanged only for the third hundred. So who should teach who to wits Yura? You don't have to answer, I can already hear the answer drinks
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 19 May 2014 22: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: studentmati
                  For us, Yura, for the Invincibles!

                  For us, dear! drinks
                  I didn’t eat everything else, but oh well ... Brains are not very ... My friend had 55 today. So, previously noted in the circle of physicists, designers, milling laughing
                  Come on for my friend. Travel Designer - yes (a long time ago it was true, but he was noted in ... He says that his products have already been removed from service ...) and a wonderful man.
                  Aha?
                  Got it. Legs - USA. Well, not a third hundred, a little more. Before the declaration of statehood, capitalism had been developing there for almost 100 years. But then, they don’t have their own culture, and they refused the culture of the native, yes. And we Thank God there is much deeper to dig. This is me, although a physicist, but in my heart an archaeologist who gave archeology 6 years and found his wife on the expedition, I speak with all responsibility.
                  CCC at Ki fascists scored a goal for Belarusians. 2: 1. Slippery score ...
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 19 May 2014 23: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: retired
                    Come on for my friend.


                    Yura, I always with two hands for practicing theorists !!! drinks If they were at the helm of the military-industrial complex (in our opinion), then nothing would fall and everything would fly successfully! Yura for a friend Hurray !!! drinks
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner 19 May 2014 23: 12
                      +2
                      Thank you Sasha for your understanding. hi It was at the helm of the military-industrial complex that I was not. But. He made his very modest, but his own, personal contribution to the power of domestic air defense. 2 years ago, 5 years expired ... Nothing has fallen ... laughing Well ... Zma us. We are good specialists! drinks ( repeat )
                      Read a little higher that I piled there ...
                      1. pensioner
                        pensioner 19 May 2014 23: 31
                        0
                        Well, you Sasha left in English again ...
                  2. studentmati
                    studentmati 19 May 2014 23: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: retired
                    CCC at Ki fascists scored a goal for Belarusians. 2: 1. Slippery score.


                    Turned on, look, thanks, prompted.

                    Quote: retired
                    In the power of domestic air defense its very modest, but it’s its own, personal


                    Thank you Jura for your contribution, it was the case applied ... 5 years of subscription conditional, known to many ...

                    Come on, Yura for the very best! drinks
                    1. pensioner
                      pensioner 19 May 2014 23: 37
                      0
                      Quote: studentmati
                      conditional term

                      Tipun to you - am
                      Quote: studentmati
                      for the very best!

                      Again for us ... It feels like someone today will remain unreached ... Well ... let's not talk about sad things! for us! drinks
                      Quote: studentmati
                      it was applied ...
                      Yes I know. You talked earlier ...
                      For the military-industrial complex! drinks
                      1. studentmati
                        studentmati 19 May 2014 23: 40
                        0
                        Quote: retired
                        conditional term


                        And we have nothing to do with it.

                        Quote: retired
                        Again for us ... It feels like someone today will remain unreached.


                        Well, for whom else? Suggest! drinks
                      2. pensioner
                        pensioner 19 May 2014 23: 48
                        +2
                        I had a friend. He died 2 years ago. Vladimir Fedorovich Dryomin. He was awarded the Korolev Medal. Well, that's not counting all sorts of orders and medals. He did not value them, but he was truly proud of the Korolev medal. He loved life very much. And he knew how to LIVE SO that legends still go about him. I am proud that he chose me among many and said: "I am Vova for you!" We have done a lot of things ... On his subject ... And the most interesting thing: in 94 we were engaged in the construction of a mathematical model of ultrasound of the heart. That's it ... And we made no small progress, and then our sponsor: Ph.D. Protsenko left for Canada. And funding ended ...
                        Ugh! In general: come on for Vladimir Fedorovich! You can clink glasses and bounce. He was such a man.
                      3. studentmati
                        studentmati 19 May 2014 23: 55
                        0
                        Quote: retired
                        : come on for Vladimir Fedorovich! You can clink glasses and bounce. He was such a man.


                        Judging by your story of deep thought, the person was. For Reason I propose! drinks drinks drinks For Reason, which Vladimir Fedorovich possessed and handed over to him a lot! drinks
                      4. pensioner
                        pensioner 20 May 2014 00: 06
                        +1
                        Sorry, delayed. I tried to take a picture of the cover of the book and the signature of the Author - V.F. Dremina. I took a picture, but I didn't understand how to put the picture ... The book is called; "Protection of equipment from external influencing factors".
                        And the signature of the Author (just don’t think that I attach myself to the great ones. It happened ...): To the highly respected Yuri Georgievich from the Author.
                        23.05.2012.
                        I’ll post a photo in PM tomorrow ...
                  3. pensioner
                    pensioner 20 May 2014 00: 33
                    0
                    This is for a pretzel you slammed minus ??????????????? Gyulchatay! Open your face!
                2. studentmati
                  studentmati 19 May 2014 23: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: retired
                  Yes I know. You talked earlier ...
                  For the military-industrial complex! drinks


                  And this is a real time. what

                  For the military-industrial complex, Yura! drinks
                3. pensioner
                  pensioner 19 May 2014 23: 51
                  0
                  Quote: studentmati
                  For the military-industrial complex, Yura!

                  Native for him. drinks
                4. studentmati
                  studentmati 20 May 2014 00: 04
                  0
                  HOORAY!!! HOORAY!!! HOORAY!!! Yura Hurray !!! drinks drinks drinks For victory!!! drinks

                  I in the sense of Belarus beat Latvia.
                5. pensioner
                  pensioner 20 May 2014 00: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: studentmati
                  For victory!

                  For her native. drinks I have to sign up for an operation here ... I'm afraid ... It's okay for life, but I can remain without a knee ... Like: how it goes ... Bzdyu ... So: I’ll also project a little on Victory. Type: so that everything was good! Well ... For health! drinks
                6. studentmati
                  studentmati 20 May 2014 00: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: retired
                  .Bzdyu ...


                  Don't forget your talisman, Yura! Good luck, which I have no doubt about. You will be on the forum "cyborg". Laughter, laughter, and I wish you the very best outcome.
                7. pensioner
                  pensioner 20 May 2014 00: 27
                  +1
                  Well ... All my life I'm not lucky ... I had to ride the train S. Oskol - Moscow. I didn’t go, but the train burned down. about 100 dead according to official figures ... The gallery (+ 17 meters) fell to the ground, and I was supposed to be there ... I survived 3 explosions in Gazprom ... Apart from any everyday adventures there ... I'm lucky - definitely! The only question is: God save me to hell ???????
                8. studentmati
                  studentmati 20 May 2014 00: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: retired
                  and God save me for hell ???????


                  So there are fewer bad deeds than good ones. So still needed. For luck, Yura, for your luck! drinks
                9. pensioner
                  pensioner 20 May 2014 00: 57
                  0
                  You kind of went to sleep? Well, if you’re not sleeping, then, of course, for GOOD LUCK !! drinks It’s definitely not possible to survive without it ...
                10. studentmati
                  studentmati 20 May 2014 01: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: retired
                  You kind of went to sleep? Well, if you’re not sleeping, then, of course, for GOOD LUCK !! drinks Without her, you certainly cannot survive ...


                  He returned in English as well. For luck, Jura! drinks
                11. pensioner
                  pensioner 20 May 2014 01: 07
                  0
                  Oops! Our person! Do not leave yet!
                12. pensioner
                  pensioner 20 May 2014 01: 18
                  0
                  MM-yes ... He returned ... So, he ran in ...
  2. pensioner
    pensioner 20 May 2014 00: 17
    0
    I saw, I saw ... I even know: HOW Belarus will play in the next match. repeat repeat
  3. studentmati
    studentmati 21 May 2014 00: 10
    0
    Purely theoretically?
  • nycsson
    19 May 2014 16: 45
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    My personal advice: Keep money not just in Russian banks, but in different banks breaking them into small amounts. So it will be easier if something happens, return your

    Oh well! How should we be? For those who receive an RFP on the "VISA" card? But what about our stabilization fund, which lies beyond the hill? I almost forgot! What about their personal accounts? What a woe! How much work and everything for smark. As they say, greed ruined the frayer! They lie there, but you can't take it ... wassat
    Well, as an example .......
    Switzerland froze assets of Yanukovych and his entourage by $ 193 million
    Swiss federal prosecutor ordered to freeze the assets of the ousted president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych by $ 193 million
    05 May 2014, 00: 25
    photo: © RIA Novosti
    According to Reuters, citing the Swiss newspaper Zentralschweiz am Sonntag, prosecutors have opened five criminal proceedings against individuals suspected of money laundering. The total amount of funds frozen in these accounts is 170 million Swiss francs ($ 193 million).
    It is noted that most of the frozen assets coincide with those bank accounts that were blocked by the Swiss government in February 2014.
    Then, on February 28, Switzerland froze the bank accounts of the ousted president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych and his associates, including former Prime Minister Mykola Azarov and head of the presidential administration Andriy Klyuyev. Searches were conducted on the premises of the company, allegedly owned by the son of Yanukovich, Alexander.
    Earlier, Switzerland was ready to block all of Viktor Yanukovych's bank accounts, said spokesman for Swiss Foreign Minister Pierre-Alain Eltschinger.
    Eltsinger added that Swiss banks were recommended to pay special attention to all accounts owned by Ukrainian citizens and organizations. When asked if Switzerland would deny visas to Yanukovych and members of his circle, he only said that "Switzerland is closely monitoring the events in Ukraine." It was reported that the Swiss authorities launched an investigation on suspicion of the possible involvement of Yanukovych and his family in money laundering.
    Earlier, Austria announced the arrest of accounts and other property of 18 Ukrainian citizens.


    Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/30574#ixzz30s8AqyQx
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 18: 02
      +6
      Quote: nycsson
      Oh well! How are we to be? For those who receive an RFP on the "VISA" card?

      Niksson, what does the salary and what has been put off for a bad day?
      Quote: nycsson
      But what about our stabilization fund, which lies behind the hill?

      You know no more about our stabilization fund than I really hi
      1. nycsson
        19 May 2014 23: 03
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Niksson, what does the salary and what has been put off for a bad day?

        As I understand it, a visa is not our office, so the money on cards can also be reset.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        You know no more about our stabilization fund than I really

        I agree with you. But this is not normal. At least of. persons of the Russian Federation argue that the money lies behind the hill, instead of working for our economy. hi
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 20 May 2014 01: 04
          +1
          As I understand it, a visa is not our office, so money on cards can also reset


          They cannot reset anything. Because the money is in the accounts of our banks. But if you use your visa after July 1, then if you receive 1000 rubles at an ATM, you will write off 1300 from your account.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 May 2014 06: 19
          0
          Quote: nycsson

          As I understand it, a visa is not our office, so the money on cards can also be reset.

          You said that the financier wrote such a thing belay There will be a small collapse, people in banks will rush for cash, queues and reward salaries from cards and all that. Gemmory is superfluous and not cold, but the loot will not disappear.
  • zanoza
    zanoza 19 May 2014 17: 13
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Keep money is not easy ...

    The advice is of course vital, but the fact is that it is not clear why the Bank of Russia, the Ministry of Finance and the government of the Russian Federation are so roaming.
    Decided to earn on the fact that the "dirty money" of "US taxpayers" will pour into Russian banks under the guarantees of "non-disclosure"?
    Unclear... Are these guys our friends, or what?
    Or are there personal selfish interests and the likelihood of losing the stolen money, obtained by the "backbreaking work" of the bankers?
    And now what? Are they willing to pay fines if only their personal financial secrets and the secrets of the money of their friends are not revealed?
    They compensate their losses as always, as I think, from the pockets of ordinary depositors of their banks.
    Perhaps they will "push through" and the state will compensate their losses, but it will still be out of the people's pocket.
    1. I do not care
      I do not care 19 May 2014 17: 37
      +8
      Everything is too simplified - under this act, any transaction that has passed the tax authorities of Matrasia is not
      legal by their definition. It is elementary to foresee the consequences - your bank has interests (business) in the territory of the SGA, and you have Russians, therefore we freeze your assets, and you ...
      100500 more options. It's just a war, so far without corpses.
    2. nycsson
      19 May 2014 17: 42
      +4
      Quote: zanoza
      Or are there personal selfish interests and the likelihood of losing the stolen money, obtained by the "backbreaking work" of the bankers?

      Exactly............ yes But it’s logical how ......
  • bulvas
    bulvas 19 May 2014 16: 04
    +7
    Quote: SS68SS
    Keep your money in purely Russian banks. This will be our "answer to Chamberlain" ...


    and how, in this case, to engage in foreign trade?

    This is the problem.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 19 May 2014 16: 23
      +7
      Quote: bulvas
      Quote: SS68SS
      Keep your money in purely Russian banks. This will be our "answer to Chamberlain" ...


      and how, in this case, to engage in foreign trade?

      This is the problem.

      I can and NUB but IMHA do not work with a city bank, do not get loans from American express for foreign trade activities, cooperate with Raiffeisen with Chinese banks, it’s all about
      First of all, these are penalties. in the form of withdrawal of significant amounts from correspondent accounts of such organizations in US banks, as well as automatic deduction of 30% of the amounts of any financial transactions of such banks passing through the US banking system. And since a huge number of transactions are carried out in US dollars, such operations will inevitably go through the US banking system.

      If there is a conversation about VISA and MasterCard, then it is no secret that it is time to start your system ...
      Everything that is not done is done for the better, otherwise everyone is used to "eating" what "democracy" brought us .. and what we feed them ..
      1. 225chay
        225chay 19 May 2014 16: 58
        +3
        Quote: Scoun
        If there is a conversation about VISA and MasterCard, then it is no secret that it is time to start your system ...

        who didn’t let her wind up even earlier, and not now when the cock in ... didn’t peck?
        So they were interested in the government ...
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 19 May 2014 17: 54
          +3
          Quote: 225chay
          Quote: Scoun
          If there is a conversation about VISA and MasterCard, then it is no secret that it is time to start your system ...

          who didn’t let her wind up even earlier, and not now when the cock in ... didn’t peck?
          So they were interested in the government ...

          The simplest thing that our person can do is to say that the government is to blame for everything))) but the fact that, first of all, our business went the "beaten track" and that this is a purely American product, many people forget and to create our own national system is one thing and in general it is almost ready, and it is completely different that the card would be valid abroad, it is much more difficult, but those countries with which we have a large trade turnover will most likely agree to such an option.
          As for UEC purely as a means of payment, such banking services are available with it as cashless payments for goods and services in Russia in organizations (including stores with corresponding terminals) marked with a logo payment system "PRO100" (successors of the now closed local substation Sberbank of Russia “SBERCARD”), receiving cash at ATMs marked with the PRO100 logo, replenishing a card, paying utility bills and other payments, payments and money transfers via Internet and mobile banking.

          Golden Crown, UEC and others (local).
          PS.
          Japan has its own PS-coy and someone else .. now I can’t remember exactly.
          Pss
          Ours on the basis of PRO100 are trying to build a system ... in general, this is domestic GLONASS.
        2. SSR
          SSR 19 May 2014 23: 30
          +2
          Quote: 225chay
          Quote: Scoun
          If there is a conversation about VISA and MasterCard, then it is no secret that it is time to start your system ...

          who didn’t let her wind up even earlier, and not now when the cock in ... didn’t peck?
          So they were interested in the government ...

          Excuse me, but this is akin to the one who did not allow the creation of the Russian Federation internet, who did not allow the creation of a jeepies? You may be "surprised" but today even Americans hardly ever produce TVs for themselves ... They fucked up polymers? Of course not. Everything in the world changes, including ..... But let's not talk about the sad.
    2. mivmim
      mivmim 19 May 2014 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: bulvas
      This is the problem.

      Settlements in national currencies, and no problem. good
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 19 May 2014 16: 42
        +5
        mivmim: Settlements in national currencies, and no problem.


        Some experts argue that Russian banks will be able to avoid the sanctions provided for by FATCA, using a proven scheme - opening correspondent accounts not in American but in European banks. Now this method does not work. After all, European banks become agents of the United States Revenue Service (IRS), and they must automatically implement penalties for their banking partners. That is, non-US banks become not only agents acting in the interests of the IRS, but also agents for the implementation of US sanctions on banks that Washington considers to be violators.


        There will be no problems if you stop selling abroad at all and buying abroad. Including the services of external Internet providers, not to mention computers

        At least with banks
    3. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 19 May 2014 20: 39
      +4
      Quote: bulvas
      and how, in this case, to engage in foreign trade?

      This is the problem.

      remember our "shuttles" 90s. abroad, with a bundle of bucks in hand. now they will travel abroad with bags of dollars or euros, no bank transfers, only cash. that will be fun.
  • Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 19 May 2014 16: 20
    +7
    The question is not about storing money in Russia.
    We are talking about the branch activities of Russian banks in the United States, operating accounts with American banks, for conducting foreign trade activities ... that’s what this is at least about.
  • 225chay
    225chay 19 May 2014 16: 37
    +2
    Quote: SS68SS
    Keep your money in purely Russian banks. This will be our "answer to Chamberlain" ...


    One must always be prepared for radical steps in relation to the enemy currency!
    Rejection of the dollar!
  • w2000
    w2000 19 May 2014 16: 38
    +4
    There are no purely Russian banks. All of them, including the Central Bank, Sberbank and VTB, are dependent on Western banks, and 30-45% belong to Western shareholders, all of whose names are not even known in the Government.
  • nycsson
    19 May 2014 16: 40
    -5
    An article for those who say that we are sanctioned by the drum. Do not be so naive. That is why our troops were withdrawn to places of constant deployment ...
    And who knows how many leverage they have, like this one !?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 18: 17
      +2
      Quote: nycsson
      That is why our troops were withdrawn to places of constant deployment ...

      Show at least one video of the military withdrawal. As soon as the military begins to move, we will all see it on YouTube.
      1. nycsson
        19 May 2014 22: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Show at least one video of the military withdrawal. As soon as the military begins to move, we will all see it on YouTube.

        No video. I do not argue. The movement will not start immediately. "Wagon train" must first be assembled .....
    2. alexng
      alexng 19 May 2014 19: 52
      +3
      It looks like the United States is already completely off the coils. In connection with the recent stupid actions of apricot, I am already beginning to believe those prophecies that the 44th president of the USA is the last. They went all-in with Ukraine, but the script did not go according to their plan and now they are no longer waking them out of the puddle into which the Yankers fell. And in India, forces that did not support the United States came to power, but quite the opposite ... The prophecy says that the United States will collapse when the economies of Russia, India and China unite against aggressive overseas financial policies. And the implementation of the fraudulent tax campaign of minke whales will be the last nail in the coffin of US hegemony and the complete dollar fiasco. Here's the new crazy idea of ​​morons in striped pants. Oh well!
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 19 May 2014 16: 50
    +5
    Quote: SS68SS
    Keep money in purely Russian banks.

    And rightly so.
    The article did not find a concrete answer on how terrible the new law of Russia is.
    Will US accounts be taxed? Will bank secrecy be violated?
    It’s not good to keep money in the USA. And we need to trade in all currencies, which are better for us.
    Now Ukraine, and tomorrow some kind of crap. yes
    It was worse, but now the whole West, led by the United States, is no longer 80, but only 49% of the global economy.
  • AnaBat
    AnaBat 19 May 2014 17: 38
    +2
    All this is being done so that our oligarchs put pressure on the GDP, pigs want and push inside angry
  • Simon
    Simon 19 May 2014 18: 22
    +4
    It is necessary to switch to the gold ruble faster, all trade settlements with Europe and the Americans should be made in rubles. Let them buy rubles from us in order to buy the right product from us. Then we'll see whose one it takes. tongue
  • Penzyac
    Penzyac 19 May 2014 20: 27
    0
    Quote: SS68SS
    Keep your money in purely Russian banks. This will be our "answer to Chamberlain" ...

    And only in rubles.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 19 May 2014 21: 01
    +1
    There is nothing to communicate with mattresses, and everything will be type top
  • saber1357
    saber1357 20 May 2014 01: 04
    +1
    And the author of the article is just a provocateur and alarmist. Baaalsh minus.
  • Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 20 May 2014 05: 50
    0
    And which of them you will not prompt Russian? All hosts in the west. No matter where you put the money ... belay This is another "relatively honest way" of taking money away from the population (it does not matter from someone else's or their own).
  • sergey72
    sergey72 19 May 2014 15: 53
    +17
    And for the effective protection of Russian banks from the American law, FATKA requires a radical restructuring of the Russian financial and banking system. But, unfortunately, our government is not ready for such radical steps.

    So what? Is this a reason to do nothing? There’s a situation with Visa and Mastercard quickly settled ..... there would be a desire!
    1. avia1991
      avia1991 19 May 2014 16: 20
      +7
      Quote: sergey72
      There is a situation with Visa and Mastercard quickly settled ..... there would be a desire!

      Given the modern system of financial flows, the comparison is incorrect: it’s like a slingshot and AKM.
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  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 19 May 2014 15: 55
    +4
    A three-liter "can" is better than any can.
    History teaches the Russian people not to trust the financiers neither ours nor especially foreign ones.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 May 2014 16: 00
      +6
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      A three-liter "can" is better than any can.

      Until someone commits you this can laughing
    2. 225chay
      225chay 19 May 2014 16: 56
      0
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      History teaches the Russian people not to trust the financiers neither ours nor especially foreign ones.

      any financiers can never be trusted at all. how can you trust notorious scammers?
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 19 May 2014 21: 05
        0
        So all capitalists are scammers, by definition. And in our country - capitalism, too drinks
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 19 May 2014 15: 57
    +12
    The banking system is long overdue! The best option in any business is independence!
  • mig31
    mig31 19 May 2014 15: 57
    +13
    I do not believe that the dollar and America are unshakable, you need to work, work and work again to protect your interests ...
    1. saag
      saag 19 May 2014 16: 31
      -5
      Quote: mig31
      I do not believe that the dollar and America are unshakable

      Believe me, dear comrade, even the Great Depression did not shake them :-)
      1. Irokez
        Irokez 19 May 2014 16: 58
        +5
        Quote: saag
        not even the Great Depression shook them

        Times are not the same already. There was planned and controlled chaos and confrontation with the Fed. But there is nothing eternal in the world.
      2. pp-2000
        pp-2000 19 May 2014 19: 40
        +2
        THE ROMAN EMPIRE ALSO THINK THAN
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 19 May 2014 20: 04
        +5
        Don't confuse horseradish with finger. T.N. The Great Depression was used as a mechanism to transfer real money backed by gold reserves into the virtual Fed system. I said very briefly, you can minus until the second coming, the essence of the coming to real control of the USA Fed's cash flows will not change from this.
  • yulka2980
    yulka2980 19 May 2014 16: 00
    +12
    You might think we can’t really answer something! I think everything will be decided after the GDP trip to China! As soon as we enlist their support, we will be able to dictate our conditions to the mattresses more strictly!
  • rugor
    rugor 19 May 2014 16: 01
    +10
    But, unfortunately, our government is not ready for such radical steps.


    So get ready. At home, you need to keep money, the nafik is skerking abroad, including the state.
  • volot-voin
    volot-voin 19 May 2014 16: 02
    +4
    In relations with the West and the USA, the worse the better. Less money will merge abroad, more will be invested in Russia. The main thing is that a nuclear war does not happen. May begin to develop their industry and agriculture.
    Let the EU bankers shake at the expense of sanctions.
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 19 May 2014 16: 02
    +4
    none of the parties will resort to radical measures ... too retaliatory measures will be painful ... Russia also has very serious trump cards, from which the amers can greatly change their lives
  • Leshka
    Leshka 19 May 2014 16: 02
    +5
    citizens keep money in the Russian savings bank laughing
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 19 May 2014 16: 04
    +6
    Urgently negotiate with China. Transfer of all trading accounts to national funds, complete reorganization of the banking system (at the expense of bank owners - it was necessary to think and not to grab)
    In general, they are merchants and merchants, nothing sacred.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 19 May 2014 16: 09
    +13
    Boomerang with a miss returns to the owner and can cause damage to the launched this weapon. 5 billion spent and our Crimea! It's time to strike at opponents of banking reform. It looks like abroad will help us.
    1. Irokez
      Irokez 19 May 2014 17: 00
      +3
      Quote: Bort Radist
      It looks like abroad will help us.

      BRICS will help us.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 19 May 2014 22: 53
        +1
        Quote: Irokez
        BRICS will help us.

        Once Russia helped half the world, and if it were not for the traitors, then now it would be able to contain half the world ...
        And now we are waiting for help from the nudibranchs? wink
    2. 225chay
      225chay 19 May 2014 17: 01
      +1
      Quote: Bort Radist
      It's time to strike at opponents of banking reform.

      Generally drive them nah .. e..r!
      Audit financial activities and transplant to hell. There everyone snout in fluff, do not go to my grandmother ...
    3. ATATA
      ATATA 19 May 2014 20: 18
      +1
      Quote: Bort Radist
      5 billion spent and our Crimea!

      Crimea, this is our consolation prize, for it we gave the rest of Ukraine.
      By the way, we drained Ukraine much earlier than the Maidan, with criminal inaction, and for this, as usual, no one answered.
      This became completely clear, according to Putin’s stupid smile, when he spoke on TV about the transfer of the referendum in Donbass and Lugansk. And now this news has put everything in its place.
      All the same, my acquaintance was right, who said that the invaders ruled us, and that they simply pour patriotic sweetness into our ears.
  • kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 19 May 2014 16: 09
    +1
    Exactly if problems with the money of Russia and the citizens of our country might arise, then why the hell should they drop them there, they need to be removed from America, and the Russian stabfod, in general, all the means that have a relationship with Russia!
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 19 May 2014 16: 10
    0
    Here it is the main weapon of the United States - excommunication from the buck. And what does the WTO say about this?
    1. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 19 May 2014 22: 17
      0
      Yes, the mattress mattresses wanted to spit on all sorts of international organizations and courts, if they did something contrary to their interests, they would do it their own way. There were many cases when the Americans paid compensation to them by a foreign court or went on trade concessions? This is a racketeer with ksiva in his pocket, or rather, a dealer who put everyone on his green paper and now took it by the throat.
  • v245721
    v245721 19 May 2014 16: 11
    +2
    but the transition of Russia, when paying for energy and not only in rubles, will become for America simply deadly. and they’re free from foreign ones. thank god we do not live in the USSR
  • novel68rus
    novel68rus 19 May 2014 16: 12
    0
    from clowns ... will never calm down .. just to make some muck
  • AIRO
    AIRO 19 May 2014 16: 12
    0
    It seems to me that the really "working" option left to us by the US in this situation remains - to invest Russian citizens in Russian and European (those who are adequate) banks (and it would be nice for the government to publish a list of "unreliable" foreign banks).
  • Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA 19 May 2014 16: 13
    +5
    The problem is primarily American, well, they will take 30 percent from one, from the other ... It's just the rink moving around the collapse of the dollar ... We just can’t trade normally in dollars ... alternative transfer and exchange systems will automatically appear ... Because the economy does not know how to stop ... their mistake is that they needed to further pull us into the loop of the globalization of the dollar, and they decided that they need to knock out the stool, and the loop is not yet on the neck. well, let’s fall, well, crippled, well, a turning point ... the bluff is shorter ... they are drowning ..
  • Vlom
    Vlom 19 May 2014 16: 14
    -11%
    what crap. the author of the article is a saboteur, and he is not alone.
    1. Fish supervision
      Fish supervision 19 May 2014 16: 33
      +2
      If you do not read the article, in Oblom, then leave comments in your head dear negativeWe are all unsubscribing unsubscribe, and unfortunately not everyone thinks with their heads yes
  • PRN
    PRN 19 May 2014 16: 14
    +14
    The situation once again speaks for itself - a complete rejection of the dollar in interstate settlements, the transition to settlements in rubles and national currencies. Fashington must be destroyed!
    1. arch_kate3
      arch_kate3 19 May 2014 17: 29
      +1
      Yes, like Carthage!
  • Orc-xnumx
    Orc-xnumx 19 May 2014 16: 16
    +1
    That is - everything is simple: US law is above common sense, and the one who did not understand this, the US can now rob!
  • Balamyt
    Balamyt 19 May 2014 16: 16
    +3
    Quote: Leshka
    citizens keep money in the Russian savings bank

    Probably 80% of the population has nothing to store at all!
  • subbtin.725
    subbtin.725 19 May 2014 16: 17
    +8
    There was no happiness, but misfortune helped. Sooner or later this should have happened. Rather, they will put things in order in our banking system, gray schemes will appear somewhere. sector at the very tops. And in the open, they simply would not have been given. Simple people what to worry about?
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 19 May 2014 16: 18
    +8
    radical restructuring of the Russian financial and banking system is required. But, unfortunately, our government is not ready for such radical steps.

    It is high time. Indeed, this system was created by Yuserovskie advisers to Yeltsin. And they created it so that it was chained to the American Finsystem, like a galley slave to its oar. Therefore, we keep both development funds and funded in the States. All attempts to create a financial system independent of the United States of America, a system of payments in national currency, run up against the wall of rejection of supporters of the monitor system and graduates of the Harvard School.
    So Putin and his comrades have something to work on. But in fact, it’s time for the neoconservatives to drive westward, and so on to the bitter end, until we hoist the flag over the Pale House. IMHO.
  • Turkish Granite
    Turkish Granite 19 May 2014 16: 18
    +3
    "F toppku enti dollars" are transferred in calculations to the national currencies of the BRICS, and the p.e. n.d.s.t.a.s. let him strangle his own monetary system with taxes!
    1. polly
      polly 19 May 2014 17: 21
      +3
      Quote: Granit
      "F toppku enti dollars
      ... together with the printing house! laughing Yesterday, I just found old Soviet banknotes in my home archive: a five, a three-ruble coin, and two rubles each - small ones in size, large and big ones ... sad
  • Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 19 May 2014 16: 18
    +6
    Quote: bulvas
    and how, in this case, to engage in foreign trade?

    Foreign trade presupposes mutual interests. And we must start with the Boeing. Let him buy spare parts for rubles. Or our rocket engines for NASA and the Pentagon, too, for rubles. Delivery to the ISS for rubles. yes I'm not even talking about oil, gas and other things. bully
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 May 2014 19: 27
      +3
      Quote: Vlad Gore
      Let him buy parts for rubles. Or our rocket engines for NASA and the Pentagon are also for rubles. Delivery to the ISS for rubles. I'm not even talking about oil, gas and other things.

      But where did they find so many RUBLES !? It's not print wrappers!
  • kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 19 May 2014 16: 25
    +7
    But are they not there?

    The United States does not have its own language, nor does it have a thousand-year history, traditions, culture in the normal sense, and not Pepsi and jeans! Because of them, the inferiority complex has developed, and they are striving to devastate and destroy everything, to rewrite history! yes Strong Russia, whether it be the USSR, the Russian Empire or modern Russia, they are like a bone in the throat! yes
  • Cams
    Cams 19 May 2014 16: 26
    +1
    Well, probably, the Kremlin has already thought about this focus and prepared an answer.
    We stock up on popcorn and wait ..)))
  • mamont5
    mamont5 19 May 2014 16: 26
    +6
    Rather, it is necessary to bring down the US financial system along with the dollar. It will not be easy. It will be hard. But otherwise the United States will live a parasite at the expense of the whole world, dictating to everyone its Wishlist.
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 19 May 2014 16: 52
      +1
      but as soon as everything wants to get better, some sort of chacha pallate cross will come out across
  • nicollider
    nicollider 19 May 2014 16: 28
    0
    Kg / am I’ll explain now. 1 stiffness or leniency of sanctions is, based on the article, only a matter of money.
    2. With the introduction of these rules, American dodgers will withdraw money. With the consolidation of information in local tax, customers would have more time to withdraw funds.
    3. Grandmas, grandmas, grandmas ... And nothing more.

    Well, etc. It’s not difficult to figure out who is the customer of this PR article.

    Well, a joke, finally a joke ...
    And somewhere, in another universe, banks rob people. But no, this is in this universe.
  • Demon0n
    Demon0n 19 May 2014 16: 28
    +2
    The article describes only the direct consequences, but not the indirect ones, which are the most important (considering the time factor).
    An increase in transaction costs will directly affect commodity circulation (roughly speaking, all goods and services that we will exchange with participating countries will rise in price, regardless of direction, if transactions are carried out in the agreed currency / currencies). That is, in this context, this is an economic blockade in a veiled form (since the additional costs will be quite large).
    I believe that it is not necessary to describe the nature and scale of the trade turnover between us and other countries (and to remind that our horse has not yet been lying in this direction - a time factor).
  • nicollider
    nicollider 19 May 2014 16: 30
    +1
    And finally, if the Americans join in cleaning our bank-washes, we will win
  • Platov
    Platov 19 May 2014 16: 30
    0
    Prohibit US citizens from having bank accounts in Russia until this issue is resolved with the Americans.
  • Turkir
    Turkir 19 May 2014 16: 31
    +6
    Too much government money has been invested in the United States. The same obligations of the Fed.
    Our liberals did a good job, not for free of course.
    Katasonov can be trusted. Sober analyst.
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    Our money works for the USA. How do you like it?
    I do not.
  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 19 May 2014 16: 31
    +3
    And for the effective protection of Russian banks from the American law, FATKA requires a radical restructuring of the Russian financial and banking system. But, unfortunately, our government is not ready for such radical steps.
    Apparently, I’m not ready .... for the last 20 years, universities have been overwhelmed by future bankers and lawyers - but there is no normal banking system or legislation. So the mattresses still won the information war in 80-90-gg's. The answer is ours.
  • Palladium900
    Palladium900 19 May 2014 16: 36
    +2
    At first, the Russian Federation stated that this law constitutes a gross violation of the sovereignty of our country.
    This line says EVERYTHING. So, "tie" your economy and financial system to someone else's currency! So to see who among us admires such a "tie" the loudest and whether it is beneficial in his public office ..
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 19 May 2014 16: 40
    0
    So you need to bring down the entire American financial system, there is still some time to prepare for this collapse and its consequences.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 19 May 2014 16: 42
    0
    Well, thereby winning in the short term, they will lose the entire Russian market. As they say, the tradition is fresh. Go ahead.
  • VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 19 May 2014 16: 43
    0
    You have to send a dollar - the farther the better
  • Wanderer H7
    Wanderer H7 19 May 2014 16: 44
    0
    Quote: sscha
    There is only one radical measure - rejection of the buck (hereinafter referred to as already announced). repeat hi

    Yes, not radical, but absolutely necessary already!
  • Owl
    Owl 19 May 2014 16: 48
    +1
    Of course, I am not an economist, but something tells me that this law, again, will first of all hit the pin..dos themselves. Since we are talking about legal entities and individuals (including their capitals) - US taxpayers, the easiest way out of this situation is not to get involved with American capital. Those. suitcase-station-the other side of the puddle. Who will pinch the eggs harder for this law - us or pin .. dosam? I think the various Shell, BP and other McDonald's will be very happy when Russian banks refuse to work with them.
  • fleks
    fleks 19 May 2014 16: 54
    +2
    all of this will ultimately benefit our economy — a control will be found on the Chubais of the Abramovichs with the Prokhorovs, and so on, though it may not immediately and the stabilization fund will return to the country, I hope so
  • kotyara
    kotyara 19 May 2014 16: 56
    +1
    There is a stick in this law that will hit the United States: payments in dollars will be reduced!
  • Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 19 May 2014 17: 02
    0
    This means that banks should require a certificate from clients stating that the client is not subject to US taxation. Otherwise, exclude such customers from service.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 19 May 2014 17: 04
    +1
    [quote] [/ Some experts note that of the entire spectrum of Washington's sanctions against Moscow, the mechanism of sanctions against Russian banks, created on the basis of the FATKA law, may be the most painful for Russia. And to effectively protect Russian banks from the American FATKA law, a radical restructuring of the Russian financial and banking system is required. But our government, unfortunately, is not ready for such radical steps. Quote] So maybe we shouldn't drive them into a corner? And then after all "are not ready yet."
  • VSC
    VSC 19 May 2014 17: 04
    +1
    "To effectively protect Russian banks from the American FATKA law, a radical restructuring of the Russian financial and banking system is required. But our government, unfortunately, is not ready for such radical steps."
    Here it is, the truth. Very delicately expressed.
    The sanity and the will of the leader are necessary for our Motherland to be great. She has everything else for this.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 May 2014 17: 05
    +3
    Any state system, including the financial one, must be created on the basis of independence, primarily from the United States. The USA is a bloodsucker, it is a world parasite. And if you become addicted, then everything needs to be rebuilt unilaterally. And in general, the less relations with the US will be, the better. There are enough other partners.
    Energy to Europe - per euro. With China, trade for yuan and rubles. And so on. And the dollar - on x ...
    American business is only allowed on its own terms. They don’t want, too - on x ...
  • Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 19 May 2014 17: 08
    +1
    Interestingly, the Merkians understand that such actions do us a great service?
    Come on, moneybags, run money transfer to Russia! Soon they will finally work for us.
    1. nycsson
      19 May 2014 17: 45
      +1
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      Come on, moneybags, run money transfer to Russia! Soon they will finally work for us.

      Naive ....... Who will let you translate them ??? fool
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 19 May 2014 17: 15
    +1
    they strangle themselves for their money! But the common people don’t care if the stolen billions are frozen or not!
    1. nycsson
      19 May 2014 17: 44
      +2
      Quote: JonnyT
      they strangle themselves for their money!

      Yes, they won’t be strangled, but they will do everything that they are asked or ordered!