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Militias firing at roadblocks of Ukrainian security officials near Slavyansk

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According to RIA "News", with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, over the past day, three checkpoints of the security forces under Slavyansky came under fire from the militia. There are no casualties on the side of the military, the victims of the militias are also not reported.


"In 17.40 (on Thursday), in Slavyansk, a roadblock at the TV tower of the BMD-2 and infantry weaponsusing rail cars as cover. The paratroopers opened fire, ”representatives of the Ministry of Defense reported.

Only ten minutes later, a checkpoint near the village of Semenovka came under fire, the ministry said. A little later, unknown persons fired upon a reconnaissance group of sniper rifles. They were returned fire from the BTR.

It is worth recalling that last night the term of the ultimatum put forward by Kiev by the people's militia of the Donbass expired. The Ukrainian military was given 24 hours to leave the territory of the Donetsk region. Otherwise, the militia promised to launch their own military operation.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 16 May 2014 12: 59
    +26
    Yes, before the appearance of "heavy weapons" in the proper quantity among the militia, it is VERY difficult to count on something more effective, regardless of the Strelka's talent.
    Interestingly, in the territory of Donbass, were there storage bases for APU equipment?
    1. Wels75
      Wels75 16 May 2014 13: 07
      +22
      Here is some more information:

      12:04 / 16.05.2014 The DNR people's militia has expanded the zone of influence of Self-defense ousting the National Guard from the suburban areas of Slavyansk.



      On the night of May 16, Slavyansk militiamen conducted a successful military operation and forced the National Guard fighters far beyond the suburban areas of the city. Self-Defense Force Commander Igor Strelkov kept his promise to expand the zone of influence.

      “The cleaning ended in the area of ​​the village of Semenovka and the chemical plant,” self-defense headquarters told LifeNews. - There are now no threats of attack from the Ukrainian armed forces from the east. Resumed transport.



      As a LifeNews correspondent from Slavyansk reports, fortifications are being built in Semenovka itself. Concrete blocks were brought there.

      - Local residents rejoice that the militias are now defending suburban areas. There was information that Ukrainian armored vehicles were moving from the village of Malinovka. All work to strengthen roadblocks on the south-eastern borders of the city has been suspended. We switched to a combat readiness mode, reports a LifeNews reporter from Slavyansk.

      A source : http://lifenews.ru/news/133315
      1. _my opinion
        _my opinion 16 May 2014 14: 08
        +14
        ... I just don’t understand why our news agencies refer to the data from the junta ... in my opinion, to believe them - not to respect themselves, how many times they openly and publicly lied.
        ... they say, once having lied, who will believe you ...
        1. mejik
          mejik 16 May 2014 14: 17
          +33
          sorry for offtopic, a joke from Odessa:

          Dad, - asked little Sarochka from Odessa, - can the Lord allow me to send a Valentine to a person who belongs to another religion?

          “I think so,” answered daddy, a middle-aged Jew. - And to whom would you like to send a Valentine?

          - Alexander Turchinov

          - Alexander Turchinov?!?!?! asked the shocked father.

          - But why?

          “Well,” said Sarochka, “imagine: Turchinov receives a valentine with a declaration of love from a little Jewish girl. He will start to think
          that not everyone in Odessa is so bad, and will love the world a little more. And then, when he gets a few more "valentines", he realizes that the Southeast is really beautiful, and he finally stops being frustrated and publicly admits his mistakes.

          “Sarochka,” said his deeply moved father, “this is the most beautiful thing I have ever heard ...”

          “I know, daddy,” Sarochka answered. “And when he stops hiding from the people, our militias will finally shoot this bitch ...”
        2. Anper
          Anper 16 May 2014 14: 45
          +4
          Quote: _my opinion
          they lied openly and publicly

          Then they just wrote that the Shooter was killed. True, it is very vague, referring to someone's Twitter and "reliable sources." I think if this were true, then extraordinary news would have already gone and Turchinov himself would have trumpeted.
      2. papik09
        papik09 16 May 2014 14: 26
        +3
        Quote: Veles75
        Locals rejoice that militias protect

        It’s better, it seems - to CLEAN from any scum. am
        PS: Pliz, just do not touch conscripts, right? Pliz love
        1. I read the news
          I read the news 16 May 2014 15: 13
          +13
          Call your conscript, let him return home to mom.
          All conscripts already approached the demobilization. But new conscripts were not recruited.
        2. Arbatov
          Arbatov 16 May 2014 15: 24
          +2
          Conscript conscript
        3. ledi-irina
          ledi-irina 16 May 2014 16: 52
          +5
          But how can we sort them out, feet in hands and let them blow the other way, I’ll shell one horseradish, you won’t make out in the crowd !!
    2. major071
      major071 16 May 2014 13: 16
      +37
      The tactics of "jerking" at different points of defense has not yet been canceled. In general, in this situation, while the militia still does not have large forces for the offensive, the tactics of "pulling" the forces of the junta are the best. IMHO.
      1. older
        older 16 May 2014 13: 42
        +16
        Quote: major071
        The tactics of "jerking" at different points of defense have not yet been canceled

        Namely, only slipping into a simple shelling is ineffective. Yes and ammunition ... We need mobile sabotage groups, mobile squads of sniper hunters. Yes and grenade launchers should start to shoot not so much at APCs and BMDs as at turntables. Judging by the video from open sources cars can be beaten. Low altitude, a mechanical sight, which means the devices will not detect the guidance .. Kill during take-off and landing during landing.
        1. Slon1978
          Slon1978 16 May 2014 17: 08
          +1
          No offense, but nonsense you say childish. It is almost impossible to shoot down a helicopter from an RPG-7 - the flight path of a grenade is very specific, aiming at a distance of more than 200 meters is already complicated. Getting on board a moving tank from 200 meters is not so easy, you need to have good experience, and the helicopter not only much faster, but also changes the trajectory, including height, and the time to aim at a low-flying helicopter is only 2-4 seconds and then it is far from always possible to understand from which direction he generally flies. A more or less reliable helicopter shot from an RPG-7 is only with a hover and a maximum distance of 100 meters. Therefore, advice, to put it mildly, about nothing. Well, about the squads of sniper hunters in general I am silent. I think everything that is possible there is being done by the militia.
          1. old man
            old man 16 May 2014 17: 33
            +2
            What kind of nonsense -RPG- and BMD what is easier to get from it and the range allows. BMD against the helicopter, then what you need.
    3. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 16 May 2014 13: 32
      +22
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, before the appearance of "heavy weapons" in the proper quantity among the militias, it is VERY difficult to count on something more effective

      This is true. But it was said about sabotage groups ... It would be more effective to eliminate one of the most odious supporters of pin.do.sism in Ukraine. And Kolomoisky is candidate No. 1, but not one of those who, without prejudice to the Slavic gene pool, simply needs to be exponentially, approximately (!) Eliminated!
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 16 May 2014 13: 47
        +21
        Ukrainian separatists.

      2. Canep
        Canep 16 May 2014 13: 48
        +3
        Quote: 1812 1945
        Kolomoisky - candidate No. 1

        Kolomoisky crossed all borders, after this they usually do not live long, his own people will most likely be sent to God for an interview.
        1. rosom
          rosom 16 May 2014 14: 01
          +6
          Such people in heaven do not even go for an interview - immediately to a hot frying pan
      3. older
        older 16 May 2014 13: 49
        +13
        , before the appearance of "heavy weapons" in the proper quantity among the militias, it is VERY difficult to count on something more effective
        Why? I already discussed sabotage groups. But for some reason the most terrible method of struggle is to use the mines. Block roads at the dill bases and mine them constantly. Even with the low effectiveness of such a war in the future (the first period will give stunning results, but then the sappers will scratch everything and everything with a frequent comb) this will give at least two interesting results for the army. The first-clearance of any road will show possible sections of the attack. And the second, the mobility of the dill mii.Na vertodletah armor is not shabby, and it levels the playing side ...
        1. Belarus
          Belarus 16 May 2014 14: 34
          0
          I completely agree with you. But I don’t understand why no one has thought of it until now, or simply there wasn’t a team ?!
          Agree, because there are no fools in headquarters sitting and no fools make decisions!But then the question arises: why didn’t they use this tactic before!
          Is there really nothing to mine! (Sarcasm)
        2. Salamander
          Salamander 16 May 2014 15: 08
          +3
          Then the militia announced a hunt for one thing.
          Is there a good grenade launcher on the site? wink
          1. Genry
            Genry 16 May 2014 15: 22
            +2
            A rustzho .50 will not take?
          2. O.P.G. 40 ...
            O.P.G. 40 ... 16 May 2014 16: 43
            +1
            Bottle on it and Basta
          3. Dmitry Toderes
            Dmitry Toderes 16 May 2014 16: 52
            +2
            The net will not protect against RPGs. Fact. Ours on the T-34 during the Second World War were checked (The tests were carried out in the rear) - if you glue the tank with a mesh from the Faust cartridge, this did not protect (the so-called "witch's suction" remained - a small hole with a dent along the edges) - side screens made of sheet steel are needed at least. The cumulative jet will pierce this crap. In general, this armored personnel carrier is an ordinary coffin on wheels.

            PS The best side screens with active chem. substances. But Ukrainians do not have them. winked
            I learned information from the documentary-popular film about the Second World War. There a lot of military affairs was well explained. They showed at school. Sometimes they show on TV. I don’t remember the name.
          4. Ustian
            Ustian 16 May 2014 19: 26
            +1
            Quote: Salamander
            Then the militia announced a hunt for one thing.
            Is there a good grenade launcher on the site? wink

            This herd from PTRD can be holed for a sweet soul ...
        3. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 16 May 2014 18: 39
          +1
          . But for some reason it’s not used at all, probably the most terrible method of struggle is the use of mines Rafting along the mountain rivers in Karelia, you’ll still go to the bushes to pee, and then you’ll carry a drive from Dekter’s drive, a couple of stabilizers from mortars and a couple of zinc with porcini mushrooms - if you are lucky, it happens so, well ... go to heaven, legs to the north, Bosko south 10 meters flies. They say that this is war. Do you really want to have local children blown up by these mines for another 10 years?
      4. VeteranS
        VeteranS 16 May 2014 14: 50
        +8
        At one time, our polite guys found in Qatar and killed one of the leaders of the Chechen fighters Yandarbiev (then V.V. Putin exchanged them for someone), so the question of the physical destruction of the bloody Beni Kolomoisky is a matter of time, and not very distant .. .. The rest of the executioners of the junta will get the same, if not the valiant militia of New Russia, then our polite guys!
      5. g1v2
        g1v2 16 May 2014 16: 02
        +4
        Kolomoisky, Pour, Krutov, Tyagnibok - goals number 1; Avakov, Yarosh, pale with a scythe - goals number 2; the rest - at will. To a Turkish woman and a rabbit so and so only before the election - then a prison or a grave. Poroshenko, after the election, probably at their expense will want to score points. They will be lucky if they manage to get away to the west. Poroshenko himself, I think it’s possible to take an egg for this, nevertheless he has a lot of property in Russia, and he has no one to sell candies to, except Russia, they are hardly sold well in the West. And for money these gentlemen will strangle themselves. Something seems to me in vain the Yankees were so obsessed with it, there Lavrov in the interview everyone tortured, Russia recognizes him or not. I think the Yankees will be another surprise.
    4. Evgenx
      Evgenx 16 May 2014 13: 45
      +9
      If there were military units, then there are bases! Today on TV I saw militiamen with PTRS (Simonov's anti-tank rifle)! Who understands: a killer thing for armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles!
      1. Canep
        Canep 16 May 2014 13: 52
        +10
        Do not worry, everything is already sold there, only what is left is that no one needs. And in the army too. Law enforcement banderars are being put on BTR-4 which Iran (or Iraq? I don’t remember) refused because of their extremely poor quality. Their storage bases are approximately in this state:
      2. older
        older 16 May 2014 13: 52
        +15
        Quote: Evgenx
        Who understands: a killer thing for armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles!

        Yeah .. only very choosy ... Need Degterevskie guns. They are just for the militia. Just as primer. And lightly armored targets and turntables will knock down like nuts to click ...
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 16 May 2014 14: 18
          +3
          This is true, but "noiseless" are more productive, and for turntables there is an "arrow" - also - not a cat sneezed.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 16 May 2014 14: 47
          +4
          Quote: older
          Yeah .. only very choosy ... Need Degterevskie guns. They are just for the militia. Just as primer. And lightly armored targets and turntables will knock down like nuts to click ...

          Oh, I beg you! No need to echo other people's erroneous conclusions. PTR (C) "fought" the whole war together with the PTR (D); and after the war they "served" in the army, and no one offered to remove the "simonovka", but to leave only "tar". Yes, the PTR (C) was less, because they are more difficult (and more expensive) in production, heavier and "required" a technically skilled "owner." But for firing at planes, the fighters preferred to use the PTR (C By the way, when there were references to the use of Soviet anti-tank rifles "abroad", then, basically, the PTR (C) was indicated.
      3. brelok
        brelok 16 May 2014 15: 31
        +3
        AND MOSCOW TRAINING. CARTRIDGES ARE NOT SPONT. A PRESENT A GOOD OPTICS ON THIS STEM? a gun!
        1. werewolf
          werewolf 16 May 2014 16: 39
          0
          Strelkov complained about PTRs in an interview on "Russian Spring" says capricious. The caliber of the PTR 14,5 is the same as that of the Vladimirov machine gun (the ammunition has been modified. Optics, I read it somewhere, I can't put it on it because the recoil is large - it can't be fixed to a good one
    5. jktu66
      jktu66 16 May 2014 14: 23
      +2
      but, before the appearance of "heavy weapons" in the proper amount from the militia, something more effective to count on
      It is necessary to keep punishers constantly in tension and fear, often and unexpectedly sting, avoiding their losses
    6. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 May 2014 17: 25
      0
      news lightning !!!!

      The junta's henchmen have filled up the site of the "Russian Spring". It ...
      old.shturmnovosti.info /.../ prispeshniki-hunty-zavalili-sayt-russkoy-vesny ...


      who has infa, what about the site ?????
  2. storm wind
    storm wind 16 May 2014 12: 59
    +9
    So it is necessary to constantly annoy them! Shell and attack from ambush! Nobody called them there!
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 May 2014 13: 02
      +10
      Quote: Storm Wind
      So it is necessary to constantly annoy them! Shell and attack from ambush! Nobody called them there!
      And they were, and in their opinion, until now they are in their own territory ... And by and large, no one has thrown them out of there yet. So, while they ASKED, NO MORE ...
  3. Arh
    Arh 16 May 2014 12: 59
    +21
    ... Partisan Units Liberated Cities ... smile
    1. zao74
      zao74 16 May 2014 14: 58
      +2
      Everyone is so smart, they give advice ... And if these mu..ki start to bomb cities? Then what, guerrilla tactics? Only the creation of a regular army with technical support (and not only) for Russia can turn the tide.
    2. O.P.G. 40 ...
      O.P.G. 40 ... 16 May 2014 16: 47
      0
      And where to turn? Tired of empty listening-watching !!!
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 16 May 2014 12: 59
    +33
    "" At 17.40 (on Thursday) in Sloviansk, a checkpoint near the TV tower was fired at from BMD-2 weapons and small arms, using railroad cars as a cover. "

    It appears that the militias are better trained than the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Well, certainly more motivated. smile
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 May 2014 13: 03
      +20
      Quote: Vladimirets
      It appears that the militias are better trained than the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Well, certainly more motivated.

      There, the star group from the 25th brigade commands the armored group, they say that it has never fought, but apparently a born TALENT, it has more than once rescued militias.
      1. jovanni
        jovanni 16 May 2014 14: 31
        +10
        If he saved, then he had already fought. Good luck to the guy and his comrades! Let him rise to the general of New Russia.
    2. northern
      northern 16 May 2014 13: 08
      +11
      The militia has a lot of people who still served in the USSR, plus they defend their native land, a huge moral advantage. But in the Ukrainian army with personnel, clearly a disaster.
      1. older
        older 16 May 2014 13: 59
        +10
        Quote: north
        . But in the Ukrainian army with personnel, clearly a disaster.

        No. The same older paratrooper never fought and judging by the rank. Green like a dollar. But he fights and how he fights. So everything is fine with the personnel there. He’s strained with fighting spirit. The soldiers simply won’t understand why the woman in the garden is the enemy. They shoot of course , otherwise the tribunal, but ... Remember how the militias talk about the TV tower ... laughing Dill either take positions, then leave them .... and the enemy does not come fellow Just watching the maneuvers. However, in Kiev, satisfied, the operation is going on ... Capturing, repelling, etc.
        1. vvvvv
          vvvvv 16 May 2014 14: 36
          +6
          Who knows, who knows why everything is so ... After all, it is not the first time that Ukrainians are firing back into the air. Maybe ordinary soldiers or even the National Guard do not want to shoot people, although they called themselves milk mushrooms and climbed into the back of the car, I really don't want to ... Or maybe such an initiative is not even from below, as an option - suddenly it is played out for the s.i.n. After all, it was already such that the militias were offered loot for imitating the seizure of buildings, in order to then saw the loot ... Maybe it would not be such a bad option if they shoot in the air for the loot of sponsors and not to kill all the same Slavs Slavs. It is clear that there are all sorts of people among Maidan people, pravoseks, etc., but there are all sorts of people in the opposite sense. I don’t think that everyone is eager to take murder on their souls. After all, initially the Kiev junta established a de facto military dictatorship, and many probably shout “Glory to Ukraine!” Only under fear ... Or they are not supporters of military solutions. It is also not very pleasant to read here, when they somehow insult those who shoot only in the air and imitate a battle, not knowing their motivation. What if they risk imitation, so as not to kill on orders ?!
          1. northern
            northern 16 May 2014 14: 43
            0
            As it turns out very multi-way.
          2. O.P.G. 40 ...
            O.P.G. 40 ... 16 May 2014 16: 55
            +1
            And why not. Although ... talking with the guys who walked by there, it becomes clear that their brains were fucked up specifically.
          3. Slon1978
            Slon1978 16 May 2014 17: 41
            +1
            IMHO it's not about imitation or conscience, but about banal fear. The Ukrop army has not had combat experience for a very long time, and now it is not even the army men who are active, but mainly the National Guard of the Pravosek - in general, for the most part civilians, who have passed the "3-day command courses at the bases of Yarosh" and "tempered the spirit" on Maidan, in Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk. When there are a lot of them, but against the unarmed, and when they pump themselves up with a ritual about heroes, glory and death of the pits, they are able to act, and when they shoot back - even from afar, then the motivation evaporates at once. Obviously knocking. I remember a report about "clearing the area" after an ambush on a convoy - it's a shame to look ... what an active search for the enemy is there, huddled together behind the armor, looking out cautiously - as if it hadn't come from the nearest bushes.
        2. northern
          northern 16 May 2014 14: 42
          0
          the starley paratrooper is fighting for the militias. and I wrote about personnel in the regular army
        3. The point
          The point 16 May 2014 15: 20
          0
          Quote: older
          However, in Kiev, satisfied, the operation is going on ... We capture, repel, etc.

          some, sorry, masturbation is obtained. laughing
  5. Tiamat2702
    Tiamat2702 16 May 2014 13: 00
    +16
    I admire the courage of the guys!
    1. older
      older 16 May 2014 14: 01
      +7
      I agree. Especially militants ... Pros just do what they have been taught and what they have been doing all their life. May God always return to them ...
  6. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 16 May 2014 13: 00
    +3
    The sun didn’t leave. Rare clashes. Where is the promise? They won’t leave from there, a hedgehog is clear. They will put each other. Oh, fate is fate! Well, do something, banderlogs. You don’t understand, they will find you all.
    1. Name
      Name 16 May 2014 13: 02
      +10
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      They will not leave from there, a hedgehog is clear.

      Greetings to all! Do not leave, then they will be destroyed. The shooter holds the word.
      1. O.P.G. 40 ...
        O.P.G. 40 ... 16 May 2014 16: 58
        0
        mailbox, unsubscribe
    2. svp67
      svp67 16 May 2014 13: 10
      +5
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Well do something, banderlog.

      But look at how they prepare, in their legalized battalions, strengthen the SPIRIT

      I liked Arrow's comment regarding this video:
      "Well, well. We'll see tomorrow, sir. If we decide. And so ... they are funny ... stupid ... they shout loudly ... like children."

      However:

      "We are not going to cut anyone on purpose. Moreover, there are a lot of people who accidentally got into the war, driven by force and having no motivation to fight. If they attack, we will beat them."
      1. Lawless
        Lawless 16 May 2014 13: 18
        -4
        Ahaha ... there are no cartridges or something))) maybe Kalash wooden))))
        1. older
          older 16 May 2014 14: 17
          +6
          Quote: Lawless
          .. there are no cartridges or something))

          This is you in vain ... A wonderful exercise in the ability to hold weapons for a long time to prepare. Yes, and with ideological stuffing. The American methodology of preparation ... A soldier should not feel like a man, but a soldier. He must be sure that he is right ... So they hammer into blunt heads ...
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 16 May 2014 13: 42
        +6
        Signed voting ballots by residents of Donbass ...
        1. Baloo_bst
          Baloo_bst 16 May 2014 15: 59
          +3
          The handwriting is the same.
      3. Slon1978
        Slon1978 16 May 2014 17: 33
        +2
        A pitiful sight to be honest :) I remember during the war in Georgia, there was a report, showing our paratrooper - such a puny kid in a vest, grimy, conscript - a unit on armor drove into a village where Georgians had previously visited. His then correspondent asked something and he replied, I don't remember exactly, but something like "we will crush them now" and seeing the eyes of this paratrooper when he said this, I honestly believed him, although it would seem that this a fighter, in principle, strangers to him South Ossetians ... But I do not believe these clowns in the video at all, they may also shoot from afar, they will then be proud of themselves for sure, but at the first more or less danger, the clowns will run away exactly and in all directions, EPT clowns.
  7. falikreutov
    falikreutov 16 May 2014 13: 00
    +3
    In the third paragraph, nothing is clear at all! Who shot at whom? Who answered whom? Put a minus.
  8. northern
    northern 16 May 2014 13: 00
    +4
    Militias keep their word, promised - shoot.
    1. older
      older 16 May 2014 14: 21
      0
      sad And I read and watched the video, they promised to destroy the enemy there. And not to scare ... I think tomorrow morning we will see the results of evening and night hunting ..
      1. northern
        northern 16 May 2014 14: 44
        0
        surrenders, and before destruction it comes.
  9. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 16 May 2014 13: 07
    +4
    Positional fights. Harassing fire. On the Western Front, no change.
  10. Russ69
    Russ69 16 May 2014 13: 09
    +7
    IMR-2, militias ...
  11. Giant thought
    Giant thought 16 May 2014 13: 11
    +8
    Soak guys, maidanutyh in full. Do not take prisoners, they did not deserve to be taken prisoner.
  12. capex1
    capex1 16 May 2014 13: 13
    +11
    It's time to show who is the boss in the house !!!!
  13. dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 16 May 2014 13: 15
    +6
    Sorry no tanks! Hopefully there will be trophies! Hold on brothers! angry
    1. 225chay
      225chay 16 May 2014 13: 24
      +10
      Quote: dr.Bo
      dr.Bo today, 13:15 New
      Sorry no tanks! Hopefully there will be trophies! Hold on brothers!


      Need
      Grenade launchers, flamethrowers, ambushes, shelters.
      Full-scale guerrilla warfare
  14. mig31
    mig31 16 May 2014 13: 16
    +3
    Eh, still to support from the air ....
    1. sledge
      sledge 16 May 2014 13: 28
      +6
      It may not work out of thin air, but it would be nice to throw weapons and ammunition to them.
  15. dr.Bo
    dr.Bo 16 May 2014 13: 18
    +8
    People, tell me where to transfer money in support of the militia ?? request
    1. Zapasnoy
      Zapasnoy 16 May 2014 13: 31
      +2
      Look at Vkontakte the data is about fundraising (I don’t know for certainty)
      http://0s.ozvs4y3pnu.cmle.ru/rus_vibor?w=wall-70775935_6
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 16 May 2014 15: 57
      0
      Quote: dr.Bo
      People, tell me where to transfer money in support of the militia ?? request

      http://vk.com/separatistochki

      Here it’s reliable, you can see, right down to the people in the RSA itself, you can talk directly with Zelo on the radio ...
      It is necessary to help, the people do everything for their grandmothers. If you throw off at least 500 rubles, everyone who is on the forum will already have help.
      And there are enough advisers on how to fight ...
  16. Aunt Sonya
    Aunt Sonya 16 May 2014 13: 18
    +45
    The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine opened a criminal case against Sergei Lavrov, who called Oleksandr Turchinov a "clinical idiot", under Article 328 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine "Disclosure of state secrets."
    1. northern
      northern 16 May 2014 13: 23
      +6
      they are supposed to give a guilty bribe under this article
    2. zao74
      zao74 16 May 2014 15: 04
      +1
      Pleased ... I already rolled under the table. wassat
  17. typhoon7
    typhoon7 16 May 2014 13: 20
    +12
    Most of the army is ready to swear allegiance to the Republic, it is up to the officers. It is necessary to withdraw the army from the junta along with heavy weapons, and this is the work of specialists. We must not allow the conflict to flow into an endless sluggish phase, society and the economy can enter a state of depression and everything can be greatly aggravated, which the West can play on. By the way, the militia seems to have squeezed out another district in the Donetsk Republic, things are moving.
  18. Day 11
    Day 11 16 May 2014 13: 21
    +10
    Was? PTSD in the militia
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 16 May 2014 13: 33
      +5
      Quote: Den 11
      Was? PTSD in the militia

      E-mine !!!!! Is the "money box" (the mines with the preserved weapons of the Second World War) still opened? belay
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 16 May 2014 14: 05
      +2
      At first I thought that the rifle that flickers is the RT-20, Croatian with a "recoil-reactive recoil system", the pipe from above, I did not look closely, not it.
  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 May 2014 13: 23
    +11


    Slavyansk People's militia is shelling the National Guard 16 05 2014 DONBASS DONETSK KRAMATORSK
  20. Manul49
    Manul49 16 May 2014 13: 26
    +11
    Quote: Aunt Sonya
    The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine opened a criminal case against Sergei Lavrov, who called Oleksandr Turchinov a "clinical idiot", under Article 328 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine "Disclosure of state secrets."

    The accusation is far-fetched. This is NOT a secret for a long time.
    1. The point
      The point 16 May 2014 15: 24
      +1
      Quote: Manul49
      This is NOT a secret for a long time.

      Open secret. laughing
  21. nikrandel
    nikrandel 16 May 2014 13: 27
    +3
    Quote: Aunt Sonya
    The Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine opened a criminal case against Sergei Lavrov, who called Oleksandr Turchinov a "clinical idiot", under Article 328 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine "Disclosure of state secrets."

    Well, I will also call him post-Maid marasmatik.
    What, now also the article 328 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine also shines for me?)))
    1. pvv113
      pvv113 16 May 2014 16: 24
      +6
      This is article 329 - disclosure of veterinary secrets wassat
  22. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 16 May 2014 13: 28
    +3
    Yes, they will survive the army with three rulers on horseback from their home yes
    1. andj61
      andj61 16 May 2014 14: 33
      +3
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      Yes, they will survive the army with three rulers on horseback from their home yes

      And what, the three-ruler - a serious weapon! When it was created, they did not know about bulletproof vests. Three-ruler and now does not know about them - through and through.
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 16 May 2014 16: 44
        +1
        Well, let's put the SCS right through and through. From 10 meters the middle of the rail, through penetration, checked.
  23. Dave36
    Dave36 16 May 2014 13: 30
    +10
    I think the Republicans themselves do not know what to do with independence. After the unclear position of the Russian Federation on this issue, generally confusion. Why in Donetsk and Lugansk dual power ?? What kind of nonsense .. first of all, remove the protégés of Kiev .., remove the border guards, customs from the borders .. Decide what you really want and how you plan your life .. there are no answers. Unfortunately, the leaders simply do not have enough education .. and this is evident. It turns out uncertainty ..
    1. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 16 May 2014 13: 32
      +6
      So today the news already sounded that they were doing it! Channel Russia 24.
    2. izGOI
      izGOI 16 May 2014 15: 03
      +5
      1. Those who need it in the DPR and LPR have more complete information than TV reports and statements for the press (this is about the "unclear" position of the Russian Federation).
      2. After the anarchy that happened in March (all the regional districts hid abroad), the new leadership very quickly learns and organizes.
      3. In addition to military issues, it is necessary to solve both political and legal, and just economic ones. For this and in normal conditions, months and years are needed, and they fit in the weekly terms !!!
    3. Slon1978
      Slon1978 16 May 2014 17: 54
      +1
      They lack strength, not education. They can probably arrange an attack, including at the border post, including with great forces, but then we must keep it. And after all, the armor will come and it will not extinguish in a doc, tea is not a settlement. And there are many such border posts. At the same time, one should not leave the position in other directions either. There are not enough people, in a word, it seems a lot, but so far only to maintain the main centers of resistance.
  24. suharev-52
    suharev-52 16 May 2014 13: 31
    +2
    It was reported that L N R introduces martial law. Well, look further. It is difficult to resist heavy equipment without special means. Respectfully.
    1. northern
      northern 16 May 2014 13: 46
      +1
      heavy equipment in the current economy and the level of training in the Ukrainian army is another question, a threat or a burden.
  25. Stiletto
    Stiletto 16 May 2014 13: 32
    +14
    Banderlogs ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 16 May 2014 14: 24
      +2
      Rather like this:
    2. andj61
      andj61 16 May 2014 14: 34
      +1
      The turkeys are inflated!
  26. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 16 May 2014 13: 33
    +11
    Brainwashing in Ukraine ...
    1. northern
      northern 16 May 2014 13: 44
      +5
      the next poll will be "where to get that power?"
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 16 May 2014 21: 01
        +1
        And will we eat the next one?
    2. Tima
      Tima 16 May 2014 14: 24
      +3
      The survey apparently conducted in the Parliament)))
      1. The comment was deleted.
    3. Gromila78
      Gromila78 16 May 2014 14: 42
      +1
      As I understand it, 24% for separation are residents of the east smile
      1. northern
        northern 16 May 2014 14: 46
        +1
        on these channels the opinion of the inhabitants of the east is not taken into account
  27. northern
    northern 16 May 2014 13: 42
    +25
    Ukrainian nationalists assigned the status of "non-citizens" to the Russian population
    They did not argue, the place where they live received the status "not Ukraine"
  28. kot28.ru
    kot28.ru 16 May 2014 13: 55
    +7
    Guys, hold on !! GOD WITH US !!! nonhumans in the furnace !!! am Bender to the answer !!! am We will receive the order, we will carry it !!! While waiting
  29. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 16 May 2014 14: 06
    +18
    If the Nazis inflicted at least minimal damage, would have recaptured at least a hectare of terrain, they would have already danced the hopak with comments that "they have already won" for the next 1000th time. The dill noodles are silent. So they washed them, gave them another portion of "zvizda". There is nothing to brag about. The militias are holding on, well done. Gloating in a civil war is a sin. But to the detriment of those who crap on the tricolor and St. George's colors, they reproach that the White Guards wore. Yes. Worn. But the True Bearers did not disgrace the tricolor and the color of St. George. For example, during the formation of the ROA (Hitler-Vlasov), General Denikin A.I. it was proposed to head (even before Vlasov). Denikin replied that the Russian Officer cannot fight against the Motherland in the ranks of the historical enemy (the Germans). No matter what the political system in the homeland is. The honor of a Russian officer does not allow him to fight against the Russian people. The White Guard did not issue awards to the Civil War, considering the war to be fratricidal. Maybe it will come to the Ukrainian Officers, unless of course they are Officers and not the leaders of the punitive rabble.
    1. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 16 May 2014 14: 14
      +2
      Unfortunately, this is just the bosses of rabble. And even worse, the leaders of natural bandits and thugs who shoot a woman or an old man at a time !!
    2. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 16 May 2014 14: 21
      +1
      Keep yes
    3. Day 11
      Day 11 16 May 2014 14: 35
      +3
      You are wrong. In the White Movement, many orders and medals have been established and issued. One cross for various campaigns and personal exploits is incalculable.
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 16 May 2014 17: 14
        +1
        Denis article on the site! Interesting! hi
    4. Day 11
      Day 11 16 May 2014 14: 38
      +2
      This is the cross of Yudenich.
    5. Belarus
      Belarus 16 May 2014 14: 44
      +4
      Yes, there are essentially no real officers there were only rags in a miserable condition.
  30. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 16 May 2014 14: 14
    0
    Quote: svp67
    But look at how they prepare, in their legalized battalions, strengthen the SPIRIT


    Well, who will say that these are civilized people, these are individuals, cavemen mistakenly abandoned at the wrong time.
    1. chelovektapok
      chelovektapok 16 May 2014 14: 19
      0
      And these are the same relict "dill". For them, there is only one form of discussion - "a club over the head of a dissenter." And more recently, they learned how to get fire, also an argument in a dispute. fool
  31. and. t
    and. t 16 May 2014 14: 15
    0
    Comrade Sagittarius does not use mines and landmines. A landmine on the side of the highway or in a car will instantly refuse the right-wingers from occupying roadblocks.
    1. izGOI
      izGOI 16 May 2014 15: 17
      +4
      Conventional land mines are almost impossible to use; both their own and civilians travel along these roads. A guided landmine is a complicated business. Apparently, there really are not enough specialists.
  32. mamont5
    mamont5 16 May 2014 14: 18
    0
    "over the past day, three checkpoints of the security forces near Sloviansk came under fire from the militia. There are no casualties on the side of the military,"

    I do not believe. Surely, as always, the loss of PS and other Natsik are not taken into account, because there is no demand for them.
  33. Turk
    Turk 16 May 2014 14: 18
    +3
    Quote: name
    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
    They will not leave from there, a hedgehog is clear.

    Greetings to all! Do not leave, then they will be destroyed. The shooter holds the word.
  34. jovanni
    jovanni 16 May 2014 14: 20
    +4
    Let's hope that the real anti-terrorist operation has begun. The people against Bandera ub.lyudkov
  35. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 16 May 2014 14: 25
    +2
    The column of equipment would be "ventilated", as was done before in all known places ...
  36. Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 16 May 2014 14: 27
    +6
    Donbas was, is and will be Russian !!!
  37. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 16 May 2014 14: 29
    +4
    [quote = Dr. Faust.Patron] [quote = major071]
    What you profoundly call "tactics" is hardly one of those. The feeling that both sides are waiting for something, filling the pauses with shooting towards each other. Straight "strange war" 40th ... [/ quote]

    The point is that nobody wants to kill each other on a large scale there, and the tactics of delivering point strikes makes sense purely psychological, they’ll beat one or two, you will think about 100. This is not the Maidan where the Golden Eagle fell and he was silent. So tactics have their advantages.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 16 May 2014 21: 44
      0
      Quote: Kar Karych
      The point is that nobody wants to kill each other on a large scale there, and the tactics of delivering point strikes make sense purely psychological,

      The National Guard recruited on Maidan can only perform punitive functions against the civilian population. Actually, there are not so many specialists who are ready to fight with their people. The army is under the oppression of nationalists and everyone understands perfectly well what ideas can be laid down, this is a normal occurrence in desertion. With a sufficiently large number, this motley unit has no experience, is not coordinated during the offensive, does not have the necessary knowledge in tactics and is not mentally prepared to go on an assault. But urban combat is the pinnacle of skill.
      Moreover, it is an important fact that the militias have nowhere to go - this is their land, and the attackers, as a rule, come from the west of the country.
      The essence of the problem for the ATO is that you have to fight with the people, not with the terrorists
  38. ambiorix
    ambiorix 16 May 2014 14: 30
    +4
    Total punitive losses in the Donbass for May 2–13, 2014:


    Killed and wounded prisoners:

    700

    Of them:

    - 310 extremists of the "Right Sector", mostly included in the National Guard (according to some sources, by order of the Junta, about 200 of them were buried secretly in holes specially dug by excavators in the vicinity of Slavyansk to hide losses from the population of Western and Central Ukraine)
    - 120 Ukrainian mercenaries (special battalions of Kolomoisky "Dnepr", "Donbass" and "Azov"). In Mariupol, the commanders of Kolomoisky's mercenaries Demidenko and Bereza were killed.
    - 90 employees of the SBU of Ukraine (Sumy "Alpha" was completely destroyed, Kiev, Poltava, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lvov, Rivne, Vinnytsia, Zhitomir "Alpha" suffered heavy losses, etc.)
    - 70 foreign mercenaries: the Polish PMC ASBS Othago lost 6 people, the American PMC Greystone - 14 people, the American PMC Asademi (known before the 2009 year as Blackwater) - 50 people.
    - 65 military 95 airborne Zhytomyr brigade
    - 25 CIA and FBI officers (13 killed, 12 injured)
    -20 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

    Military equipment:

    - 8 combat helicopters (“4 Mi-24”, 4 “Mi-8”)
    - 1 An-2 plane
    - 1 Hammer
    - 2 hail trucks
    - 2 mobile radar stations (in the Lug. Region)
    - 2 Gas-66 (one with a "Cornflower" mortar in the back)
    - 2 Kamaz
    - 3 howitzers D-30.
    - 8 BTR
    - 5 infantry fighting vehicles (including cohabited in Mariupol)
    - 1 BRDM-2 (Mariupol)

    In service with the People’s Army of Donbass are:

    - 3 BMD, 2 BTR-D, 1 2S9 Nona, 1 IMR-2M (an engineering demolition vehicle), 82-mm mortars (number unknown), 3 BRDM-2 (2 squeezed in Kosntantinovka, 1 in Donetsk), 1 BTR-80 (Mariupol) T-34-85, 1 GAZ-Tiger, 1 BTR-60 self-modified.
    1. Darc
      Darc 16 May 2014 15: 04
      +1
      Well, I think it's not worth counting on T34-85. You can't get shells, if they find them, then shooting from such a rarity is simply dangerous. Diesel, I think, is also serviceable only "crawl in the parade."
      1. ambiorix
        ambiorix 16 May 2014 15: 27
        +1
        Why a gun. converted into a mobile fortress. Stuck machine guns, RPGs and get off
  39. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 16 May 2014 14: 33
    +2
    Quote: ambiorix
    Total punitive losses in the Donbass for May 2–13, 2014:


    Killed and wounded prisoners:

    700

    Of them:

    - 310 extremists of the "Right Sector", mostly included in the National Guard (according to some sources, by order of the Junta, about 200 of them were buried secretly in holes specially dug by excavators in the vicinity of Slavyansk to hide losses from the population of Western and Central Ukraine)
    - 120 Ukrainian mercenaries (special battalions of Kolomoisky "Dnepr", "Donbass" and "Azov"). In Mariupol, the commanders of Kolomoisky's mercenaries Demidenko and Bereza were killed.
    - 90 employees of the SBU of Ukraine (Sumy "Alpha" was completely destroyed, Kiev, Poltava, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lvov, Rivne, Vinnytsia, Zhitomir "Alpha" suffered heavy losses, etc.)
    - 70 foreign mercenaries: the Polish PMC ASBS Othago lost 6 people, the American PMC Greystone - 14 people, the American PMC Asademi (known before the 2009 year as Blackwater) - 50 people.
    - 65 military 95 airborne Zhytomyr brigade
    - 25 CIA and FBI officers (13 killed, 12 injured)
    -20 employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

    Military equipment:

    - 8 combat helicopters (“4 Mi-24”, 4 “Mi-8”)
    - 1 An-2 plane
    - 1 Hammer
    - 2 hail trucks
    - 2 mobile radar stations (in the Lug. Region)
    - 2 Gas-66 (one with a "Cornflower" mortar in the back)
    - 2 Kamaz
    - 3 howitzers D-30.
    - 8 BTR
    - 5 infantry fighting vehicles (including cohabited in Mariupol)
    - 1 BRDM-2 (Mariupol)

    In service with the People’s Army of Donbass are:

    - 3 BMD, 2 BTR-D, 1 2S9 Nona, 1 IMR-2M (an engineering demolition vehicle), 82-mm mortars (number unknown), 3 BRDM-2 (2 squeezed in Kosntantinovka, 1 in Donetsk), 1 BTR-80 (Mariupol) T-34-85, 1 GAZ-Tiger, 1 BTR-60 self-modified.


    Where does the link come from?
    1. ambiorix
      ambiorix 16 May 2014 14: 52
      0
      http://strannik-rf.livejournal.com/3023.html

      + additions.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 16 May 2014 16: 09
      +1
      Quote: Kar Karych
      Where does the link come from?

      To be honest, the amount of such losses from dill, personally, also raises questions for me ...
  40. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 16 May 2014 15: 09
    +2
    I remember as a child. I came to Ukraine. I brought with me a gas mask with an extended hose and foam to dive underwater. And with the boys theirs began to play "partisans". First, I suggest we blow up the railway. Secondly, we will kill the fascists .... The lads dragged the grubs into the forest, lit a fire, and they eat. I ask, what about the partisans? They answer: - So they sat in the forest, ate grubs .... Then I still didn't understand ... But they actually had it then. And now they are fighting like that, even the punishers ... wassat
  41. ed65b
    ed65b 16 May 2014 15: 19
    0
    Eh, there would be only one tank, even if the militia was the most failed, the matter would go more lively.
  42. kelevra
    kelevra 16 May 2014 15: 20
    +1
    You can’t give the Nazis even moments of peace! It would be advisable to hit at least someone else.
  43. asar
    asar 16 May 2014 15: 25
    +1
    It's time to "lace up the boots"! and drive nits from independent territory! Good luck to you! soldier
  44. crasever
    crasever 16 May 2014 15: 37
    +1
    The defenders of Slavyansk have and are actively using 82-mm mortars (thanks to the ukrarmia), and since the group did not go to the assault either immediately or after stomping on the spot, its combat stability is successfully reduced to zero by such fire raids. Strelkov’s warriors still display true Russian humanism, never once (!!!) having applied their tremendous skills in mine-explosive business ...
  45. nika08
    nika08 16 May 2014 15: 50
    0
    Why without losses from the Ukrainian army ??? What, shot in the air, or blank cartridges ??? So it was possible not to advance to the checkpoints, but in their own location to shoot a little at the sparrows. Interestingly, would there be losses from the sparrows?
  46. Aragorn
    Aragorn 16 May 2014 16: 16
    0
    Today on business was in the area of ​​Art. metro Poznyaki (sleeping area of ​​Kiev). A bus stopped in front of me, from there came 8 people in field equipment. A senior in a desert version, a knife in a scabbard, a trident on a cap, a yellow-blue bandage on his sleeve. Without weapons, but by all indications from the fields. Numbers of bead en. One gets the feeling that such mobile units travel east (south) to practice some tasks and return to rented apartments in sleeping areas of Kiev for recreation, etc.
  47. Lunic
    Lunic 16 May 2014 16: 38
    0
    We (in the USA) reported via NPR that in Mariupol today the squads controlled by Metinvest (Akhmetov) began to dismantle the militia barricades. Who can confirm?
  48. Khan
    Khan 16 May 2014 16: 39
    +1
    My question is why do not undermine trains with armored vehicles and manpower zapadentsev, because you can find out what is going on the military and derail it. In addition, you can destroy a couple of traction transformer substations in the regions bordering the DPR and thereby paralyze the movement of electric locomotives, that is, the transport of equipment and force the enemy to use fuel.
    1. Lunic
      Lunic 16 May 2014 16: 54
      +1
      No one wants to start a full-fledged war. Everyone understands that the solution to the problem lies on the political plane. So they pull both.
  49. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot 16 May 2014 17: 00
    +1
    In Kiev, it all began, in Kiev it is necessary to finish everything!
    ... the faster the better.
  50. Kar Karych
    Kar Karych 16 May 2014 17: 03
    0
    Quote: Lunic
    No one wants to start a full-fledged war. Everyone understands that the solution to the problem lies on the political plane. So they pull both.


    No, it's just that no one wants to kill their own kind, that's the whole question.