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Roscosmos understands the causes of the accident "Proton"

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According to the ITAR-TASS, with reference to the head of Roscosmos Oleg Ostapenko, the reason accidents missiles "Proton-M" may be the pressure drop in the third-stage steering engine.


“It’s hard to give the exact reason now, we’ll study telemetry,” Ostapenko added.

According to preliminary information, the launch vehicle burned down in dense layers of the atmosphere at an altitude of 161 kilometer above the Pacific Ocean. “The head unit as part of the Briz-M upper stage and the Express AM4P spacecraft did not have time to separate from the rocket and was not put into orbit,” Ostapenko said.

Also, the head of Roskosmos said that a special commission, which should be headed by Alexander Danilyuk, the first deputy general director of TsNIImash, is investigating the causes of the incident. “The decision will be later. I have already determined his candidacy, ”Ostapenko said.

According to the vice-president of Ingosstrakh, the Proton-M launch vehicle and the Express-AM4P satellite were insured for 7.8 billion rubles. In addition, liability was insured to potential victims of rocket debris falling to the maximum limit of 6 billion rubles. Leading foreign companies acted as reinsurers.

According to the press secretary of the Russian television and radio broadcasting network, Igor Stepanov, the accident will not affect the timing of Russia's transition to digital broadcasting. “Yes, of course, RTRS was planning to use the power of Express-AM4P to distribute the digital television signal. However, the absence of this satellite will not affect the timing of the implementation of the Federal Target Program "Development of TV and radio broadcasting in the Russian Federation over the 2009-2015 years," he said.
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  1. sinukvl
    sinukvl 16 May 2014 11: 19
    +11
    For a long time already it is necessary to punish the guilty, and not to understand! As much as possible, it’s been only three years now that they have been sorted out, but things are still there!
    1. bvi1965
      bvi1965 16 May 2014 11: 23
      +3
      Yes, I think heads will fly.
      1. comprochikos
        comprochikos 16 May 2014 11: 31
        +14
        Heads figs with them. Disgraced again in front of the whole world at the most unfortunate moment. Right now yapping from all sides will begin. A good opportunity for the West to divert people's attention from their shy dealings and mock. It's a shame.
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 16 May 2014 12: 40
          +3
          Yes, for all the news portals in the comments, Russophobes are already happily yapping. For them, such news is the best food.
          Plants, by golly, not people.
      2. Canep
        Canep 16 May 2014 11: 32
        +4
        Quote: bvi1965
        Yes, I think heads will fly.

        There are no goals there for a long time, some problems with the form of paint in which they sit.
      3. afire
        afire 16 May 2014 11: 33
        0
        all the same, the human factor is in love, but if there is an element base in Russia, then a lot of problems arise due to the fact that many suppliers sell (if there is an element in the CD, it is necessary to put it) old chips that have been lying in warehouses for an unlimited number of years , with reprinted markings on them and the issuance of ala certificates ... here PPC - substandard gets into products
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 16 May 2014 21: 22
          +1
          Quote: afire
          all the same, the human factor is in love, but if there is an element base in Russia, then a lot of problems arise due to the fact that many suppliers sell (if there is an element in the CD, it is necessary to put it) old chips that have been lying in warehouses for an unlimited number of years , with reprinted markings on them and the issuance of ala certificates ... here PPC - substandard gets into products


          What does the elemental base have to do with it? The serial engine as well as domestic components have been produced since the mid-60s because of negligence and illiteracy at the level of a design engineer or an installation adjuster. As well as control and acceptance. It’s how many years. It’s been in the series for a long time. There’s nothing new. It’s just that the Breeze-M accelerator has been added, therefore, because of the accident, it’s sorted out quickly, over the years a lot of material has accumulated of emergency situations and failures ... But human factor in the form of qualified specialists, it’s not possible to restore quickly, there is a need for systematic work, which was not possible at Rosskosmos under Perminov and Popovkin ... So, as my friend’s mother-in-law, an honored teacher of the USSR at the age of 85, says, as long as the Unified State Examination is in schools, your missiles will fall (this is her remark when she heard our conversation on this topic).
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 16 May 2014 22: 27
            -1
            Quote: Ascetic
            all the fault of negligence and illiteracy at the level of design engineer or installation fitter.


            I agree!

            Quote: Ascetic
            But the human factor in the form of qualified specialists cannot be restored quickly,


            I agree!

            Quote: Ascetic
            here we need systematic work, which under Perminov and Popovkin in Rosskosmos was not.


            I agree!

            Quote: Ascetic
            . While in schools will be the exam, your rockets will fall


            I agree!
          2. 225chay
            225chay 16 May 2014 22: 59
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            So, as my friend’s mother-in-law says, an honored teacher of the USSR at the age of 85. As long as the exam will be in schools, your missiles will fall (this is her remark when she heard our conversation on this topic).


            Exactly!
            You have to start from there! From the Livanovs, the Fursenka of the bastards, jellied meat ... and in general in the Kremlin, it’s also time to clean the 50 percent.
            Hari was eaten by some, they won’t climb through the doors, and looking at them and in the cabinet of ministers, loafers also accumulated ...
            I’m silent on the ground
      4. clidon
        clidon 16 May 2014 15: 41
        +3
        And what will change? Well, heads fly, fly, sit down again. This is a crisis of the system, and not of some individuals.
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 16 May 2014 11: 47
      +5
      Quote: sinukvl
      It has long been necessary to punish the perpetrators


      Honestly, men! This x_E_rnya, which happens with ROSKOSMOS, got me !!! Not only that multi-purpose satellites do not reach their orbits, but also in the atmosphere of the grandmother burn out, and not small !!! am angry
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 16 May 2014 12: 14
        +5
        Or maybe a key phrase: According to the vice-president of Ingosstrakh, the Proton-M booster rocket and Express-AM4R satellite were insured for 7.8 billion rubles. In addition, liability was insured against possible victims of the fall of rocket debris at a maximum limit of 6 billion rubles. Leading foreign companies acted as reinsurers.

        Although I want to cry from such jokes ... Honestly, it's time for SMERSH to restore and ...
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 16 May 2014 13: 28
          +3
          Do reinsurers bother you? In vain, our companies do not have enough money, and reinsure in the West. The rate is higher, but just foreign companies lose money.
          1. Samaritan
            Samaritan 16 May 2014 14: 22
            +2
            Duck and I are talking about too ... The satellite was worth 1 billion ... Maybe ours decided to recapture the past as well?
        2. 225chay
          225chay 16 May 2014 23: 01
          0
          Quote: Samaritan
          To be honest it's time SMERSH to restore and ...

          Then Stalin needs to be raised ...
      2. comprochikos
        comprochikos 16 May 2014 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: LaGlobal
        so also in the atmosphere the grandmothers are burned, and not small !!!

        As if money for the development of space technology is not a pity, but when they really burn out in dense layers of the atmosphere just like that, you start to think that it would be better if these grandmothers helped homeless children and people with disabilities. Therefore, I am waiting for a harsh sentence. negative
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    3. 225chay
      225chay 16 May 2014 22: 54
      +1
      Quote: sinukvl
      For a long time already it is necessary to punish the guilty, and not to understand!

      And there is only one reason: they have lost technology, specialists. Yes, and agents - enemy faces everywhere launched like lice under a shirt. And the "scent" is lost!
      Unambiguously disperse, plant and shoot
    4. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 02: 41
      +1
      Quote: sinukvl
      For a long time already it is necessary to punish the guilty, and not to understand!


      Well, and how do you punish a collector who is paid $ 200-300 per month on an assembly of a billionth rocket?
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  2. Andrey160479
    Andrey160479 16 May 2014 11: 21
    +6
    It's time to punish. But at the same time, coordination changes are needed in this industry. It looks like some sort of sabotage.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 02: 43
      0
      300 thousand dollars a month for a manager’s salary, 300 thousand dollars a month for a rocket collector, and what would you hope for with such a distribution of salaries?
    2. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 02: 43
      0
      300 thousand dollars a month for a manager’s salary, 300 thousand dollars a month for a rocket collector, and what would you hope for with such a distribution of salaries?
      1. podpolkovnik
        podpolkovnik 19 May 2014 19: 51
        0
        Quote: ar-ren
        300 dollars a month - to the rocket collector, and what would you hope for with such a distribution of salaries?


        And where does this information come from?
        I served for 11 years in Baikonur, talked with industry representatives. You probably do not know that the product is brought to the cosmodrome disassembled? Or you are still ignorant of this and naively believe that it (the product) is being transported all over Russia - Kazakhstan, assembled in its entirety. My wife and father and brother have worked and are still working in Russia and in Baikonur on the assembly of products. And they get far from 300 cu
        So, my dear, do not mislead those present here about those things about which, to put it mildly, you have no idea. you have us here already about Strelkov "bullets poured", about how he "hates" Putin ...
  3. zaazua
    zaazua 16 May 2014 11: 24
    -8
    Proton-M booster rocket and Express-AM4R satellite were insured for 7.8 billion rubles

    And here is the reason!
  4. lexx2038
    lexx2038 16 May 2014 11: 26
    +8
    Some articles from the time of Stalin probably need to be returned.
    1. rereture
      rereture 16 May 2014 13: 14
      +3
      How much did this help? In the days of Stalin, such moments were hushed up. In general, we have an extremely low percentage of unsuccessful launches over the past year. Last year, China had a percentage of unsuccessful launches of 11%, we have 3%. Only in the USA everything went smoothly, but 19 US launches are not 32 Russian launches. In general, only the one who does not start anything, that one does not fall. No need to make a tragedy out of this and sprinkle ashes on your head.
  5. buzer
    buzer 16 May 2014 11: 27
    +2
    maybe they will figure it out ... as always did they figure it out? but it’s not a simple rocket that falls, but a rocket with heptyl !!!
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 16 May 2014 11: 32
      +1
      the flight was interrupted at the third stage, altitude 161km - what heptyl?
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 16 May 2014 13: 07
        +1
        Quote: Bombardier
        the flight was interrupted at the third stage, altitude 161km - what heptyl?

        Well, perhaps the local will calm down on this, that this time without heptyl on their heads, and of course there is little good and loss of a satellite and a decrease in reputation as the best truck for putting cargo into space.
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  6. capex1
    capex1 16 May 2014 11: 28
    +8
    Yes of course this wonderful Friday morning our mood spoiled !!!! Most likely, the lack of qualified personnel is very influencing. He himself studied at the Samara Aerospace University in the 90s, and how 95% of graduates went not to factories and design bureaus (yes, I think we were not needed there at that time, we would have to feed our engineers), but on "free bread".
  7. Bombardier
    Bombardier 16 May 2014 11: 29
    +7
    It's time to SMERSHU work ... In August 2011. this satellite could not enter orbit (the same proton), made a new satellite (almost 3 years) - bang and again did not fly ... am
    1. comprochikos
      comprochikos 16 May 2014 11: 34
      +3
      Or maybe someone specially tricked the dirty pens of the Americans? Time is not easy.
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 16 May 2014 11: 39
        +3
        And what am I writing about .. 3 years they did it and fell again, and after all, a communication satellite of a new generation, I suppose that it is not only "civilian appearance"
      2. clidon
        clidon 16 May 2014 15: 43
        0
        There, and without the Americans, problems are over the roof. It's amazing that some rockets are still flying. And they fly relatively well. The same "Poplar".
    2. 225chay
      225chay 16 May 2014 23: 04
      0
      Quote: Bombardier
      It's time to SMORCH work ..

      At least that KGB of Soviet times ..
      Or Father. Exactly the order would be.
  8. Giperboreec
    Giperboreec 16 May 2014 11: 31
    +12
    Maybe this is sabotage, but maybe negligence.
    The surrender of Russia's positions in SPACE is beneficial to the whole ball.

    Yes, it is necessary to tighten control and punishment, but it is also necessary to raise the education of people performing work on Topol, etc. to the Soviet level. And the main thing is to do EVERYTHING in one place, not to give work to the commercial structures of the “sons”.
    1. rereture
      rereture 16 May 2014 13: 17
      0
      On the contrary, it is not profitable, for example, many countries do not have their own cosmodromes, but they want to launch their satellites.
  9. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 16 May 2014 11: 33
    +3
    The reason is one, the fall in responsibility below the baseboard for the disregard of officials of the Russian Space Agency for their duties, how much you can endure such arrogant lies and theft of public funds by officials of the Russian Space Agency.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 16 May 2014 11: 43
      +4
      One responsibility: TIME !!! am
    2. Eugeniy_369k
      Eugeniy_369k 16 May 2014 13: 47
      +2
      Quote: A1L9E4K9S
      The reason is one, the fall in responsibility below the baseboard for the disregard of officials of the Russian Space Agency for their duties, how much you can endure such arrogant lies and theft of public funds by officials of the Russian Space Agency.

      And what do you want, we are appointed according to the principle of loyalty to the president, does VV personally trust Putin
      Yesterday the article was
      Staff appointments of President Vladimir Putin, or Concrete to strengthen the vertical and statehood

      In 13, he appointed Zotov the chief of his guard as Deputy Minister of the Interior, and from 12.05.14, First Deputy Minister of the Interior, Commander-in-Chief of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. he didn’t command a company, but the commander in chief. But why didn’t they say it for nothing
      “Any cook can rule the state”
      And you mean responsibility, the main thing before the authorities in anything "seditious" is not noticed ... And such proffies are everywhere, and you are about space, about responsibility ...
      And the rockets will continue to fall while our guard will command the army, and the director of the MO store.
  10. a-cola
    a-cola 16 May 2014 11: 34
    +4
    Quote: zaazua
    Proton-M booster rocket and Express-AM4R satellite were insured for 7.8 billion rubles

    And here is the reason!


    For what to minus that? When I read about insurance, I automatically thought about it. I still do not believe in the crystal honesty of our functionaries. They still have to educate and educate ... By the way, physical work in the fresh air is very conducive to re-education)))
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 16 May 2014 11: 55
      0
      Quote: a-cola

      For what to minus that? When I read about insurance, I automatically thought about it. I still do not believe in the crystal honesty of our functionaries.

      Insurance is the right thing. The state has not lost money and they will return, which will allow building a new satellite at no extra cost. In this case, the insurance company incurs losses, but this is their activity, with their own risks ...
      1. nahalenok911
        nahalenok911 16 May 2014 14: 59
        0
        Yes! But time ...
  11. shinobi
    shinobi 16 May 2014 11: 35
    +1
    It looks like sabotage, if it’s not hardware but software, then sabotage. In general, Kazakhstan is now a foreign country and it’s time to tie up with Baikonur. I understand that it’s unpleasant, but it’s often too painful for something to happen.
    1. rereture
      rereture 16 May 2014 13: 19
      0
      This spaceport can already be abandoned, as it is ancient and archaic. And modernization is comparable in cost to the construction of a new cosmodrome. Yes, and why upgrade what does not belong to you.
  12. mig31
    mig31 16 May 2014 11: 37
    +1
    Guys! Well, are we falling? Understand, prestige all the same ...
    1. sub307
      sub307 16 May 2014 11: 49
      0
      Already, we ran (from a low start) to understand - because, indeed, "prestige is all the same." "It is necessary to be thorough, thoroughly".
      Wow, I'm angry .... I'm going to shoot myself from the bottle.
      1. Marine One
        Marine One 16 May 2014 11: 53
        +3
        Quote: sub307
        "prestige all the same"

        Exactly. We joked about the "trampolines". And for some it is time for someone to take up their direct duties, and not to act out as a jester-buffoon on Twitter.
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  13. Rubmolot
    Rubmolot 16 May 2014 11: 38
    +1
    In our media (in the Czech Republic) they write:
    - "Recently, too, the rocket deviated from the course, caught fire and exploded when falling, the reason was poor installation of the yaw rate sensor, which was actually installed the other way around."
    - "Four years ago, engineers miscalculated the amount of fuel in a rocket."

    http://www.novinky.cz/zahranicni/evropa/336418-ruska-raketa-se-zritila-i-s-nejmo

    dernejsi-komunikacni-druzici.html

    If this is true, the couple will hire specialists and not acquaintances of a friend.
  14. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 16 May 2014 11: 39
    +3
    For a long time already it is necessary to punish the guilty, and not to understand! No, Slava. The time has passed for punishing the innocent and rewarding the uninvolved. It’s necessary to understand the carrier’s fall, and there, according to the results, the punishments will follow. It’s important that there is no sabotage.
  15. thinker
    thinker 16 May 2014 11: 39
    +1
    Yokarny Babai! Again, a dog under the tail !!!
  16. KOSMOS
    KOSMOS 16 May 2014 11: 40
    +2
    It's a shame and annoyance! I have no words....
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz 16 May 2014 12: 09
      0
      Good rocket.
      1. engineer74
        engineer74 16 May 2014 13: 11
        +1
        Unfortunately, we seem to have successfully loved the technology of our fathers. Now all hopes are for the "Angara".
  17. Dezot
    Dezot 16 May 2014 11: 42
    +1
    Oh, these Protons. crying Its launch is always a concern. And with a successful start I say, "Well, thank God."
  18. Magyar
    Magyar 16 May 2014 11: 44
    +7
    A complete mess and devastation in our space industry, effective managers brought everything to the handle. The country unfastens the people's money from the budget, tightens the people belt. B ... q and everything falls. Urya-patriots note that Glonass, which so much had hoped for 70%, is from imported components, and concrete failures arise in the work, it just stupidly stops working. Our President needs to drive around the country himself and see how ordinary people live, they tell in a zombie box about the average salary of 26 thousand rubles, there is no word where they take it in many regions of 15 thousand for happiness, people survive from paycheck to paycheck. And at this time, satellites at the cost of a billion rubles stupidly fall. Enough to talk about Crimea and the Russian World, you need to figure out your mess, we’re talking about some kind of troop entry to Ukraine, you need to shoot your thieves and saboteurs, the hard workers who get the penny rockets get it, but the guide to the western resorts rides, eat up faces. Maybe I’m saying it hard, it’s good to nod already, you need to solve your own problems yourself, China, for example, recently came from a business trip, there they build factories investing in science, they try to do everything themselves, and we only build offices in our country. In short, there are no more words, only interjections are left.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 16 May 2014 12: 33
      +3
      I absolutely agree with you. I myself sometimes go on business trips to China, and I see how far away from Russia in its development it has. In China, during working hours, you will not see the public idly staggering through the streets - everyone is working. After work, everyone runs ... to the libraries. There they retire to continue their education, so as not to be distracted by the "sofa", "telly", etc. And only late in the evening people go out to walk a little along the streets. Everyone in China is trying to study, in any way to improve their level of education and knowledge, because they understand that the BEST INVESTMENT OF FUNDS AND TIME IS YOUR EDUCATION, YOUR KNOWLEDGE. On TV in China, there are mainly news from different countries of the world, educational programs, educational programs, historical series, etc. There are no "glamorous programs" at all promoting stupid, aimless pastime like ours: "Dom-2", "Top Model in the American way "and so on. It can be seen that China is aspiring to the future, unlike Russia, which lives by past achievements and victories and has already forgotten how to work for real, has forgotten how to strive for super-achievements in science and technology, and has become stupid "make" money, anywhere and without investing, burying it in all sorts of different "stub funds" or thoughtlessly graying them in various kinds of amusements for the whole world such as "Olympiads", "summits", "championships", etc. In addition, in China, practically it is impossible to get a job "from the street" - there is employment only through the state employment service - which controls labor contracts between the employer and the employee to exclude cases of exploitation and violation labor legislation. Of course, in China, not everything is so cloudless - there is crime, there is corruption, etc. BUT in China, corrupt officials SHOOT because they consider corruption a STATE CRIME that undermines the very basis of statehood and poses an immediate threat to every citizen of the country.
      1. rereture
        rereture 16 May 2014 13: 29
        -4
        And alas, this does not help. The most effective way to fight corruption is to reduce the bureaucracy, and at the expense of reduced civil servants, raise the salaries of the rest. Or the merging of business and the state (examples of countries Japan, USA, and the same trend is emerging in China)
    2. rereture
      rereture 16 May 2014 13: 26
      -3
      You are just an alarmist.

      China is a separate topic, all Chinese science is based on the American one, all their factories are built using US technologies, huge investments are made in China precisely due to cheap labor and non-human working conditions, and deposits of rare earth elements. Plus, China has a bad ecology, and ideal conditions for the emergence of new forms of viruses (mainly flu). Considering how Chinese students study with us on exchange (all exams are given to them "automatically"), then Chinese science will not advance far.
  19. MuadDib
    MuadDib 16 May 2014 11: 52
    -2
    I read the news on this. I watched the reportage RT. And the following options arose:
    1) "Proton-M" actually burned out in dense layers of the atmosphere as a result of an emergency situation.
    2) Nothing happened. Those. the launch vehicle has completed its task. And indeed, nobody saw the explosion or any other special effects. Only a dull sound, like a cotton or something, can be heard listening to, I apologize for the tautology, in the report of the RT TV channel. And as for the debris, they immediately insured themselves - "they may be somewhere in the Pacific Ocean."
    And the news published on VM somewhat distorts reality with its headline "The Proton-M rocket launched from Baikonur fell. Nothing fell."
    Apparently the satellite had some secret purpose. Or there were several satellites.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 16 May 2014 11: 57
      0
      Quote: MuadDib
      Nothing fell.
      Apparently the satellite had some secret purpose. Or there were several satellites.

      It burned completely, over China ...
      1. MuadDib
        MuadDib 16 May 2014 12: 15
        0
        And who saw this?
    2. Marine One
      Marine One 16 May 2014 11: 58
      0
      "Ostapenko also noted that, according to preliminary information, the rocket burned up in the dense layers of the atmosphere. The head unit as part of the Briz-M upper stage and the Express-AM4R spacecraft did not manage to separate from the rocket and was not launched into orbit." (RT: http://russian.rt.com/article/32167)
  20. storm wind
    storm wind 16 May 2014 11: 57
    +1
    Bad news. It seems that they did it, but they are falling. Let's see what progress will now take place in Roscosmos. But something is hard to believe ..
    Cadres, frames decide everything! Interest in a successful launch from a simple worker to an official! And personal responsibility for every launch!
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS 16 May 2014 12: 15
      +6
      Quote: gale
      Cadres, frames decide everything! Interest in a successful launch from a simple worker to an official! And personal responsibility for every launch!



      In recent years, Russian universities have stamped lawyers, economists and managers. Where are the real techies and engineers? Now these engines, and a lot of things for aerospace, are done by people who are well over 50 .... Soon they will retire. Where is the shift? This is a smut, so a smut.
      (information from relatives who have worked all their lives at the plant where they make engines for "bears" -95)
      1. 225chay
        225chay 16 May 2014 23: 16
        0
        Quote: SS68SS
        In recent years, Russian universities have stamped lawyers, economists and managers. Where are the real techies and engineers?


        Yes, the welders are normal, turners, milling machines, you will not find a damn, in the afternoon with fire ... what can I say for ITR sheep.
        GPTU system destroyed
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  21. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 16 May 2014 11: 59
    +2
    Until you return the fear of responsibility, do not wait for good.
  22. Giant thought
    Giant thought 16 May 2014 12: 02
    +2
    No matter how the accident, so when you start from Baikonur, it’s time for the FSB to take up personnel at this spaceport for a long time.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 16 May 2014 23: 17
      0
      Quote: Thought Giant
      No matter how the accident, so when you start from Baikonur, it’s time for the FSB to take up personnel at this spaceport for a long time.

      The FSB is not the KGB ...
  23. Deadmen
    Deadmen 16 May 2014 12: 04
    +1
    Does anyone know? the burned satellite costs 1 lard, and how much the carrier costs. I wanted to estimate the insurance covers the damage or not.
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 16 May 2014 12: 10
      -1
      Quote: Deadmen
      Does anyone know? the burned satellite costs 1 lard, and how much the carrier costs. I wanted to estimate the insurance covers the damage or not.

      The rocket and satellite were insured by a package of 7,8 billion rubles. And traditionally reinsured in the western UK.
  24. veteran56
    veteran56 16 May 2014 12: 05
    -2
    I agree that it is time to open Stalin’s sharashkin offices. Close all of Roscosmos to them, confiscate all property to cover the damage to the state caused over many years, and, bl..b, shoot for the slightest mistake. Maybe then these armless people will start correctly to collect spacecraft. Tired of the fact that every year the state suffers huge losses through the fault of these freaks. Fuck with it with this Ukraine, we ourselves have a lot of saboteurs who have to pay attention to. There is no beria on them.
    1. soyuz-nik
      soyuz-nik 16 May 2014 12: 29
      +3
      I wish you good health! Allow me to object in part ...

      I understand that you are talking about sharashka in the hearts .... Unfortunately, slave labor is ineffective.

      It is always easy to be indignant and demand increased responsibility in relation to "that guy", but what if you are in his place? And none of us is immune to mistakes. If you "twist the screws", then people will not go to work in astronautics ...

      I believe that it is necessary to improve and develop a quality control system .... And then Russian missiles, unfortunately, in their quality have headed for the quality of VAZ products .... recourse
      1. rereture
        rereture 16 May 2014 13: 32
        -2
        With so many launches as in the Russian Federation, it’s hard to control everything exactly, so we have such incidents. All the same, whatever one may say, the quantity comes to the fore.
    2. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 03: 07
      0
      I would recommend to think about how it turns out that in the USA, designers get 200-300 thousand dollars a year, collectors get 100-150 thousand dollars a year, with us - 3600 about a year, and you don’t have to plant anyone there?
  25. SS68SS
    SS68SS 16 May 2014 12: 06
    +1
    .... there may be a pressure drop in the steering engine of the third stage of the carrier .....


    Again sloppiness ... Someone forgot to screw a nut ....
    1. nahalenok911
      nahalenok911 16 May 2014 15: 13
      +1
      Question: WHO? !!
      1. 225chay
        225chay 16 May 2014 23: 19
        0
        Quote: nahalenok911
        Question: WHO? !!


        Chubayts ... to blame!
  26. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 16 May 2014 12: 09
    0
    The question is, who will pay such insurance?
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 16 May 2014 12: 14
      0
      Quote: VNP1958PVN
      The question is, who will pay such insurance?

      Ingosstrakh as a direct insurer will pay Roscosmos under the contract, after which it will receive compensation from its Western partners in accordance with the reinsurance terms.
  27. Deadmen
    Deadmen 16 May 2014 12: 10
    +1
    I think in the topic:
    According to the Deputy Prime Minister, "the Russian segment (ISS - approx. Medialeaks) can exist independently from the American, the American segment cannot exist independently from the Russian". Earlier, Roscosmos received a request from NASA to extend the operation of the ISS until the 2024 year, although in March the agency broke contacts with Russia due to the invasion of Crimea.

    Rogozin does not specify which programs the money saved on the ISS will go, but he promises that Roscosmos will present new developments in the summer. Rogozin said in short that after 2020, we completely stop working on the international station.
    1. MuadDib
      MuadDib 16 May 2014 12: 24
      0
      "... the invasion of Crimea" - do you know a little more than the majority of the electorate?
      1. Deadmen
        Deadmen 16 May 2014 12: 33
        0
        no, I just copied the news)
  28. vkrav
    vkrav 16 May 2014 12: 10
    +2
    "Every mistake has a last name, first name and patronymic" (c) Stalin.
    And we have these errors called effective managers only dough have a lot and fatherly ay-ay-ay for pros.rannye folk money ...
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  30. jovanni
    jovanni 16 May 2014 12: 11
    0
    The FSB must understand for a long time!
  31. soyuz-nik
    soyuz-nik 16 May 2014 12: 19
    +1
    It's a shame and it’s a shame for the Power ...... recourse
  32. Urri
    Urri 16 May 2014 12: 20
    +1
    "- ... What can save us from the audit? ..." ("Operation" Y ") - Insurance
    Was there a working satellite there? What would have happened to a bunch of highly paid opportunists from Roskosmos, if the "new generation" satellite, which is being re-manufactured, that is, for 6 years, would not have fiddled with it? For some reason, when Muzychko shot himself in handcuffs 2 times in the heart - everyone laughs, and when exactly at Baikonur, it is "Proton", it is not the first time that it falls with a critical military load, and at the same time regularly puts any foreign satellites into orbit - ... now is not 37 years old, you need to carefully understand ... ". The "experts" from those who launched it will be sorted out. It looks like the Kazakh cosmodrome has a marketable quantity of "necessary and respected" people, with the prospect of further modernization to nalivaychenok.
  33. space66
    space66 16 May 2014 12: 21
    +2
    In Yekaterinburg I wanted to get a job at an electromechanical plant in a defense workshop ... wages of 12 - 000, while in the city the average wage is 16. The worker is lowered below the plinth, that's the result.
    1. clidon
      clidon 16 May 2014 15: 44
      0
      Are the engineers there much higher than the baseboard?
      1. ar-ren
        ar-ren 17 May 2014 03: 05
        0
        Typically, designers get less than workers.
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      3. space66
        space66 17 May 2014 11: 44
        0
        I work in the production as a mechanic for the MSR ... somehow a designer came to us to look at something, observe, asked them what they were doing ... I will remember the answer for the rest of my life ...
        we are drawing something, we came to see what we are drawing "- they said just that ... such is the engineering staff now what
  34. imugn
    imugn 16 May 2014 12: 23
    +1
    Dense layers of the atmosphere at an altitude of 161 km?
    1. MuadDib
      MuadDib 16 May 2014 12: 25
      +1
      Yeah. Very tight :)
  35. 1536
    1536 16 May 2014 12: 28
    +3
    This is the Cosmos and the price for its development. Everyone experiences such setbacks very painfully. Only the "enemies of the people" should not be blamed. And you can write as much as you like about the fact that since 1961 the quality control of manufactured products has not been created, but in a simple way "protection from the fool", but today there is nothing better than this apparatus. And the Americans too. And production was always not up to par with Korolev and Chelomey too. Money must be invested in training workers and engineers working in the space industry, in science and experimental design, in order to change production, build qualitatively new ships. The Stalinist slogan "cadres decide everything" has been blabbed today, leveled. But no one can talk about its meaning. The construction of a new space fleet should be the same priority for everyone as the construction of a naval fleet under Peter I.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 03: 04
      0
      While the boss will have a salary of 300 thousand dollars a month, and the collector - 300, you will not fly anything.
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  36. arnulla
    arnulla 16 May 2014 12: 40
    +1
    Zae ... and already, frankly ... Where are the perpetrators? !!!
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 03: 03
      0
      Quote: arnulla
      Zae ... and already, frankly ... Where are the perpetrators? !!!


      And it’s not enough to think about how it turns out that they don’t plant in the West, but their missiles fly?
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  37. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 16 May 2014 12: 41
    +2
    Quote: Thought Giant
    As an accident, so when you start from Baikonur, it’s time for the FSB to take up personnel at this spaceport for a long time.

    During launches from Plesetsk, there are also accidents, "Bulava" from submarines "takes off crookedly" ... Whom are we going to catch?
    Maybe we should start from the top?
    "The result does not change from the change of places of the chiefs! .."
  38. Victor1
    Victor1 16 May 2014 12: 52
    +1
    It is more like a sabotage or fraud with a desire to get insurance, only Russian satellites are falling, this is no longer an accident.
    1. rereture
      rereture 16 May 2014 13: 33
      -1
      Incidents happen with foreign satellites.
  39. Ustian
    Ustian 16 May 2014 13: 22
    +1
    What prevents to install, long-developed, gunpowder charges for shooting a module with expensive equipment in case of an emergency situation? Such as for saving the crew! I DO NOT UNDERSTAND! How much money down the drain from year to year. Our money. Taxpayers. There will be again rub in that "phase with zero" beguiled? -downs ...
    1. reader1964
      reader1964 16 May 2014 14: 14
      +2
      A 5-ton satellite can probably be saved with the help of a parachute system, here tanks are thrown from planes, another question is how to return it if it lands where it is not needed. Our technology is not all sold out yet. It seems to believe that it is better to go to the ocean than to the Chinese to the garden.
  40. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 16 May 2014 13: 52
    +1
    The Cossack is there mishandled, in the Proton project ...
    1. clidon
      clidon 16 May 2014 15: 44
      +1
      Yeah called the team GKNPTS im. M.V. Khrunicheva. )
  41. reader1964
    reader1964 16 May 2014 14: 07
    +3
    Since 1965, every eighth proton has fallen, it's time for the designers to figure out "where the dog rummaged." Out of four hundred launches, fifty are down the dog's tail. For such an office, serious bodies can also be attracted to help in the proceedings.
    1. Maksim...
      Maksim... 16 May 2014 14: 14
      +2
      That's it. Protons fell in both the "light Soviet" and "dark Russian" times.
      1. ar-ren
        ar-ren 17 May 2014 02: 47
        0
        The difference from the Soviet era is that protons are now falling solely with Russian cargo. Foreign cargo is displayed like a clock.
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  42. nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 16 May 2014 14: 51
    +1
    Quote: comprochikos
    Heads figs with them. Disgraced again in front of the whole world at the most unfortunate moment. Right now yapping from all sides will begin. A good opportunity for the West to divert people's attention from their shy dealings and mock. It's a shame.

    That's why we need analysis with addiction in order to establish the root cause, and we did not think ...
  43. Black
    Black 16 May 2014 15: 06
    +3
    Repress Rogozin as a pest and a chatterbox !!!!!
  44. Deadmen
    Deadmen 16 May 2014 15: 53
    0
    The launch price of the Proton-M launch vehicle is about 2,4 billion rubles. Thus, the total cost of an emergency launch - a rocket and a satellite - was approximately 9,6 billion rubles.
  45. Deadmen
    Deadmen 16 May 2014 16: 01
    +1
    You just can’t imagine how this news is rejoicing in Ukraine on the main pages in Ukraine))) people are rejoicing)) hard.

    joyful comments from ushlepkov can be read here if you are bored.
    http://censor.net.ua/video_news/285534/rossiyiskaya_raketanositel_protonm_ruhnul
    a_na_zemlyu_vo_vremya_zapuska_na_bayikonure_video
  46. Urri
    Urri 16 May 2014 17: 04
    +1
    From Sevinfo:

    The satellite cost 1 lard rubles. Well, let's say that Proton himself with fuel is another 300 lyam.
    But ATTENTION, the satellite and the rocket were insured in Ingosstrakh in the amount of ... 7,8 lard rubles !!!
    So that’s interesting. Until 2008, Ingosstrakh was owned by Deripaska and Mamut. 60/40.
    And by the beginning of 2014, 100% of Ingosstrakh already belonged to the Czech-Italian holding company through a series of dummy LLCs with 10-20% of capital.
    Therefore, questions 2.
    1. Was the boy a satellite?
    2. How quickly will Ingosstrakh go bankrupt?
    3. How many satellites will have enough money recaptured from the European bourgeoisie?
  47. Cristall
    Cristall 16 May 2014 19: 12
    0
    There is no censor - this is a troll reserve ... a gathering place ...
    Although there are some "left" normal comments.
    What is wrong with the Protons that they are already insured and reinsured for a much greater cost? And it is with satellites for the domestic consumer. Is this a new business?
    By the way, what measures were not taken after the last accident? After all, it was just recently .. they threatened to tighten control and so on ... what's wrong?
    The fact that the "switchman" will be found, I have no doubt .. again someone "confused" the markings or something
  48. da Vinci
    da Vinci 16 May 2014 19: 53
    0
    We need to rearrange the tables in Roskosmos!
  49. studentmati
    studentmati 16 May 2014 22: 50
    0
    The sad news, the very sad news! Everything is not lost yet, let's restore the Korolev-Glushko-Chertok school, a lot is still not needed for this. We do not need effective managers - we need strong and strong-willed leaders!
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 02: 45
      +1
      Quote: studentmati
      let's restore the Korolev school


      What is it like? How to queen to plant? How does the Queen in the zone break her jaw so that he also cannot insert an anesthetic hose? Create a sharashka like the Queen, where to collect more convicts? AND? Doesn’t it seem that right there any arbitrarily minimal smart people from Russia just scatter wherever their eyes look? If only not to have the fate of the Queen!
  50. fred967
    fred967 16 May 2014 23: 12
    0
    Return Proton K, he filed less.
    And so, Proton’s accidents are simply sabotage or money laundering.
    1. ar-ren
      ar-ren 17 May 2014 03: 02
      0
      Protons fall only with Russian cargo. That is, there is no coincidence here.
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