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The rocket "Proton-M" burned in the dense layers of the atmosphere

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According to the ITAR-TASS, citing a representative of the Federal Space Agency, the Proton-M launch vehicle, which was launched from the Baikonur launch site on Friday night, burned down in dense layers of the atmosphere.


“Separate small fragments of the rocket could fall to Earth. The region of the fall is being specified, ”the source added.

The Proton-M carrier rocket, equipped with the Briz-M upper stage, was to put into orbit the most powerful Russian communications satellite Express-AM4P, created by the European company EADS Astrium by order of the Federal Space Agency program of Russia for 2006-2015 years, said RIA "News".

The accident occurred on the 540 second flight. The third stage of the rocket did not work out approximately 40 seconds before the planned separation of the Briz-M upper stage.

“During the launch at the stage of operation of the third stage of the launch vehicle, an abnormal situation arose, and the Express-AM4P spacecraft was not put into orbit. At present, representatives of the state commission are analyzing telemetric information and finding out the causes of the emergency situation, ”said the press secretary of the head of Roscosmos, Irina Zubareva.

A special commission will be created to investigate the causes of the accident.

The rocket "Proton-M" burned in the dense layers of the atmosphere
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 May 2014 06: 34
    +1
    unpleasant, but not fatal, the reason is known and it’s already good, they will correct it.
    1. Canep
      Canep 16 May 2014 07: 00
      +26
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      , the reason is known and this is already good, correct.

      What's good, Protons are falling like flies from the dust, no one is particularly surprised by the accidents, and in the event of a successful launch they rejoice, as if they flew to Mars. This reason should have been revealed in tests in the 60s. The hangar needs to be launched sooner, otherwise these Protons with their heptyl spoiled the entire steppe in Kazakhstan.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 16 May 2014 07: 15
        +8
        Canep.
        Heptyl, of course, is a rare thing, but its participation in the mucking of the steppes of Kazakhstan is modest against the background of how it is mucked and physically destroyed by wealthy urban bipedal and rural poachers.
        The fact that for already a whole year and a half my garden has not been flooded with acid rain from a chemical smoke plant from the Dzhambul region is good news.
        1. Canep
          Canep 16 May 2014 07: 22
          +3
          It’s not even a matter of heptyl, but of Proton, every launch of the lottery in Baikonur has interestingly thought of opening a tote.
      2. igor_m_p
        igor_m_p 16 May 2014 07: 32
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        What good, Protons fall like flies from dust


        Well, not so bad. If you look at the statistics, it seems to be a lot - about 10% of crashes (this includes partially successful launches), but if you look closely, most of the crashes occur at the start of operation.
        In many ways, fuel spoiled the statistics - amyl-heptyl missiles are more prone to explosions, although not all accidents occurred because of fuel. The previous one fell due to the fact that they screwed something on the wrong side, it is still not clear with this launch, but it is also clearly not a matter of heptyl ...
        True, it was not in vain that heptyl missiles were forbidden to be used for manned launches at one time.
        Nothing, the "hangar" is on its way, in June the first launch, something like that was put on the launch pad ... Waiting ...
      3. Sibiriya
        Sibiriya 16 May 2014 07: 43
        +3
        it already smacks of diversion
        to overclock the whole guide to the mother, to send the bolts and nuts with the keys
        1. Canep
          Canep 16 May 2014 07: 51
          +4
          Quote: Siberia
          to overclock the whole guide to the mother, to send the bolts and nuts with the keys

          Already overclocked last year.
        2. geptilshik
          geptilshik 16 May 2014 08: 00
          0
          You can twist without keys
        3. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 May 2014 13: 10
          +2
          Quote: Siberia
          it already smacks of diversion
          to overclock the whole guide to the mother, to send the bolts and nuts with the keys

          This is the easiest option, but will you go instead? hi flag in hand if you are so smart ...
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 May 2014 13: 08
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        , the reason is known and this is already good, correct.

        What's good, Protons are falling like flies from the dust, no one is particularly surprised by the accidents, and in the event of a successful launch they rejoice, as if they flew to Mars. This reason should have been revealed in tests in the 60s. The hangar needs to be launched sooner, otherwise these Protons with their heptyl spoiled the entire steppe in Kazakhstan.

        you understand that the old generation of designers is gone, young people are mastering production, and the one who does nothing is wrong! even against the backdrop of setbacks, we still work and develop. It's easy to scold, go and do ... hi
      5. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 May 2014 13: 55
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        , the reason is known and this is already good, correct.

        What's good, Protons are falling like flies from the dust, no one is particularly surprised by the accidents, and in the event of a successful launch they rejoice, as if they flew to Mars. This reason should have been revealed in tests in the 60s. The hangar needs to be launched sooner, otherwise these Protons with their heptyl spoiled the entire steppe in Kazakhstan.

        that is, judging by the minuses, everything is bad, nothing will be fixed, and the "proton" is a cap ...
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 16 May 2014 07: 07
      +4
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      the reason is known and it’s already good, they will correct

      The proton that exists today is the reason to abandon it. The hangar needs to be modified and started to exploit.
      1. afire
        afire 16 May 2014 07: 39
        +1
        it’s good that at least all of this is insured. The satellite will have to be assembled again, and by the way, it’s likely in the satellite that they’ll finish the thread at the same time, as it always happens - common sense comes when it's too late)

        The second point is also very important - the component base, some elements laid down twenty years ago have not been produced for a long time, but at the same time they are on the market and there is 5 acceptance for them, as it should. Because enterprises that previously produced the necessary mikruhi - have not produced anything for a long time, but they sell products! How? Everything is simple - microcircuits (transistors) are taken from warehouses where it was inexplicably stored for more than 10 years (in my case) the marking is re-stamped, a rhombus is applied, certificates are drawn. and voila. And THE GOODS ARE NON-CONDITION COMPLETE, but as laid down in the CD and the documents are in order, there would be no problem.
        This is a very difficult problem - components. And military devices are VERY difficult to redo due to bureaucracy in military circles (((
        Remaking a board with new elements is easy, but getting permissions is complete F!
      2. anfil
        anfil 16 May 2014 07: 43
        +4
        Why are rockets falling?
        The answer to the question in the heading is transparent like a donut hole. Missiles fall for the same reason that home appliances and more sophisticated technical devices such as a car or an airplane fail. The question is the cost of such a refusal and the public response to it. Some element of the system fails or malfunctions, and the further question is only whether the system itself can cope with this failure, is it possible to eliminate the malfunction that has arisen without jeopardizing the entire technical device. A rocket differs from all other equipment only in that it cannot be stopped, repaired in the event of a malfunction. The car can be stopped. An airplane, no less complex than a rocket, can be used in many cases to land on an alternate aerodrome and fix the malfunction. The missile has no alternate aerodromes.
        Further, everything that moves with a person on the ground, on water, under water and in the air has the opportunity to check before starting the movement what sets the device in motion, in particular, the engine. There is no such possibility for a rocket. Worse, the rocket engine fires only once in its entire lifetime. And this launch is the first and last for him, despite the result. Constructors are trying to somehow "work around" this situation. Each engine of the first stage of the Proton, after manufacturing, "burns through", that is, it starts up for a few seconds at the stand. After that, it is disassembled, the parts are subjected to flaw detection, all defects are eliminated and only then it is finally assembled and installed on the rocket. And yet this expensive event only partially saves. It turns out that during the final assembly, the defect can be introduced by the contractor either intentionally or by mistake.
        link:http://samlib.ru/s/stepanow_a_n/potsemypadajtraketi.shtml
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 16 May 2014 07: 56
          0
          Quote: anfil
          Each engine of the first stage of the Proton


          Not just "protons". Almost all engines.
          And with "protons" the situation is further complicated by the fact that the fuel is very aggressive and self-igniting when the components come into contact. For this reason, the slightest defect in the fuel system can lead to an explosion, while on rockets with traditional cryogenic fuel, a similar malfunction can remain without consequences.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 May 2014 13: 12
        +1
        Quote: sir.jonn
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        the reason is known and it’s already good, they will correct

        The proton that exists today is the reason to abandon it. The hangar needs to be modified and started to exploit.

        otherwise nobody is working on the "hangar"! waiting for your instructions! hi since it is not finished, then do not even try to send heavy satellites?
        1. Danash I
          Danash I 16 May 2014 19: 29
          0
          Andrei Yurievich youth as usual solves all problems with a saber hi
    3. Siberian German
      Siberian German 16 May 2014 07: 57
      +1
      you think a little what you say - a pimple on your asses. it's not fatal, but like that - the satellite fell once - and these are losses in many areas, paying compensation for pollution to Kazakhstan - two, our image falls below the plinth - three. This is not enough for you
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 16 May 2014 09: 41
        0
        Quote: Siberian German
        our image falls below the plinth - three.

        And then scribblers from the USA say that Russia lost the battle for space.
  2. bomg.77
    bomg.77 16 May 2014 06: 37
    +5
    Again sabotage .... And ours will again say that Uncle Vasya, father-mother mixed up the connector.!
    1. diff
      diff 16 May 2014 06: 44
      +12
      The feeling that guest workers also work in the rocket industry. Can I invite the FMS?
      1. KOH
        KOH 16 May 2014 07: 00
        +2
        nasa "works" there ...
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 16 May 2014 07: 23
        +4
        It’s not the FMS, but the FSB!
        1. KOH
          KOH 16 May 2014 07: 32
          +2
          That's for sure ...
  3. Normal
    Normal 16 May 2014 06: 38
    +1
    That is why I am not at all surprised?
  4. Humpty
    Humpty 16 May 2014 06: 38
    +7
    Something too often Protons fall, yet it is unpleasant. Yes, and the fish after starting a couple of days does not bite.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 16 May 2014 07: 31
      +2
      Quote: Humpty
      Yes, and the fish after starting a couple of days does not bite

      A couple of days ... Lucky recourse ...
  5. Thomas Neveru
    Thomas Neveru 16 May 2014 06: 39
    -1
    It was necessary to sell engines am
  6. Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 16 May 2014 06: 40
    -4
    Suddenly, the launch was successful. And the accident for the enemy, so as not to guess.
    1. afire
      afire 16 May 2014 07: 40
      0
      dumb fools, clearing above the ground is clearly visible, although ...
  7. mamont5
    mamont5 16 May 2014 06: 41
    +1
    Of course it does. But something is too common.

    Does anyone have any data on how S.P.Korolev was dealing with the accidents? How did he have a ratio of successful and emergency starts?
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 16 May 2014 06: 47
      +5
      Here are the statistics under Putin. I’ll look for the Queen. 44 launches of Proton-K (unsuccessful - no), and 74 launches of Proton-M (7 of them failed).
      Total 7 out of 118 Proton launches
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 16 May 2014 06: 56
        +6
        Quote: Alex 241
        According to the Queen
        statistics of unsuccessful launches in the USSR and the USA in the first five years and subsequent five decades.
        1. Normal
          Normal 16 May 2014 07: 02
          +3
          Quote: Alex 241
          statistics of unsuccessful launches in the USSR and the USA in the first five years and subsequent five decades.

          Greetings, Alexander.
          The trend, however, since 1992. That's interesting - why ??? belay
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 16 May 2014 07: 12
            +7
            Quote: Normal
            Greetings, Alexander.

            Volodya, I welcome. I have a neighbor, the kingdom of heaven to him, in the past an officer of the Strategic Missile Forces, worked for Khrunichev. According to Proton ed. 82 he responded very well. Somehow we sat with him and the head of the personnel department of Khrunichev, well, the conversation as in such In all cases, the matter was the absence of a clear personnel policy, the salaries are small, Moscow registration is required for employment, and there is a living space (complete anachronism), regular business trips, young people do not go to this work, plus commercial departments were included in the structure of enterprises, down to advertising, and you yourself understand where the money and effective managers are ............ It got to the point that they could not find the KIS engineer (control test bench) for the launches. This is so in short.
  8. mig31
    mig31 16 May 2014 06: 44
    +2
    Such sensation, somewhere a wrecker wound up ...
    1. qwert
      qwert 16 May 2014 06: 50
      +9
      And this pest did not prepare new personnel for production during 25 years. And all kinds of economists and lawyers there will not be able to properly assemble and launch a rocket. In addition to engineers, workers are also needed, with the discharge 6-7. And they were not cooked either.
      Well and naturally purchased parts in the same China.
      Unfortunately, the aerospace industry requires competent personnel with brains and hands. And in our country since 1989 of the year it was put a big ....
      So, I will name the two main pests the first M.S. Gorbachev, the second B.N. Yeltsin.
      1. Normal
        Normal 16 May 2014 07: 08
        +5
        Quote: qwert
        Unfortunately, the aerospace industry requires competent personnel with brains and hands. And in our country since 1989 of the year it was put a big ....
        So, I will name the two main pests the first M.S. Gorbachev, the second B.N. Yeltsin.


        It’s been about a year since 2014. We still have Gorbachev and Yeltsin in power ???
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 16 May 2014 07: 51
          +1
          Quote: Normal
          It’s been about a year since 2014. We still have Gorbachev and Yeltsin in power ???

          Yeah ... It’s already time to stop explaining your failures with the machinations of a spotted and ebony.
          The guarantee of the technical reliability of the product is control at all stages of its production (well, unless, of course, there are errors in the product design). Most likely, the insufficient reliability of products for space is connected with the fact that non-destructive testing specialists in the country are sorely lacking !! I know this firsthand. The situation is aggravated by new forms of training, which often result in a complete profanity thereof. This leads to the fact that in critical control operations sometimes specialists who are not sufficiently trained, do not have a specialized education, and some of them are generally not able to perform this work efficiently due to the lack of abilities corresponding to the complexity of the tasks to be solved. I hope that all the same in Roscosmos, things in this area are different. Still, rocketry is one of the most complicated and requires the most responsible approach.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 16 May 2014 08: 26
            +3
            Quote: retired
            non-destructive testing specialists in the country are sorely lacking !! I know this firsthand. The situation is aggravated by new forms of training, which often result in a complete profanity thereof.

            Good day Jura. I knew a person with a higher education who did not know that angular values ​​except degrees are measured in minutes and seconds. For him it was a discovery. Generation of calculators!
            1. Canep
              Canep 16 May 2014 09: 09
              +3
              Quote: Alex 241
              I knew a person with a higher education who did not know that angular values ​​except degrees are measured in minutes and seconds.

              This shot probably graduated from the Institute of Physics, or the Institute of Wine and Vodka, where they only measure degrees.
            2. pensioner
              pensioner 16 May 2014 12: 00
              +1
              Good afternoon, Sasha! hi
              Quote: Alex 241
              I knew a person with a higher education who did not know that angular values ​​except degrees are measured in minutes and seconds.

              Over the past almost 8 years, I have seen enough of these- yes . If I give examples, I will borrow your attention for a long time ...
              From the last. The diameter of the pipe is 1020 mm. In cylindrical coordinates, 360 degrees. Question: how many mm. in 1 degree? The engineer could not answer.
              Well, or as you like: a person with a liberal arts education (higher), with a tiny experience in the field of NDT, in 7 (!!) days receives (in Moscow ...) 5 (!!!) types of non-destructive control level 2? And upon arrival after the "training" at the workplace, he immediately gets into his hands the most complicated device of imported production and goes on a business trip to diagnose pipes for Gazprom ??? Okay, I was there, figured out ...
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 16 May 2014 12: 19
                +1
                Quote: retired
                Question: how many mm. in 1 degree?

                Jura moderation does not skip the formula for a long circle laughingwith a radius of 60 mm 1 mm circumference is 1 degree 24 minutes.
    2. Terner38
      Terner38 16 May 2014 07: 03
      0
      Everything is much more banal - a friend works at Khrunichev's branch, so according to his info the situation is as follows: the satellites do not have time to do it, they launch blanks. Then, respectively, "accident", and then get insurance. Bottom line - then one ready satellite comes out for the price of two.
      1. user1212
        user1212 16 May 2014 07: 24
        0
        Rave. The customer checks the satellite long before installation on the proton
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 16 May 2014 07: 32
        0
        Quote: Terner38
        satellites do not have time to do, launch dummies.

        Do they have an assembly line for assembling satellites?
      3. VVooVVaa
        VVooVVaa 16 May 2014 07: 37
        0
        This companion Europeans collected
  9. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 16 May 2014 06: 46
    +6
    Something with us with the Protons is unlucky.
    Maybe it’s time to switch to another rocket - transfer the carrier?
    Or something to fix in the conservatory?
    It hurts too often to fall with our companions, they don’t fall with foreign ones, but they always fall and fall with ours ...
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 16 May 2014 06: 49
      +1
      It hurts too often to fall with our companions, with foreign ones more than once, but with ours they always fall and fall ...

      That's it, it's time to do the stripping at the plants, and during the start check everyone for tolerance, without exception.
    2. PN
      PN 16 May 2014 06: 52
      +2
      So I noticed this too. We launch foreign satellites and astronauts without problems (pah three times), but like our satellites, we can’t cant on the cant.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 16 May 2014 07: 36
        +1
        Quote: PN
        We launch foreign satellites and astronauts without problems

        With foreigners, they also fell, they just started less. And with each failure it becomes even less, and this is money!
    3. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 16 May 2014 07: 14
      0
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      They often fall with our companions, they don’t fall with foreign ones,

      And with foreigners fell, though quite a while ago ...
  10. il2.chewie
    il2.chewie 16 May 2014 06: 48
    +2
    When will the chatter end and the landing begin?
    1. Nickanor
      Nickanor 16 May 2014 08: 48
      0
      At the NGO named after Lavochkina has already begun! good
  11. yulka2980
    yulka2980 16 May 2014 06: 50
    +2
    Now more than ever it is necessary to be careful about such things, because the whole world is watching our every mistake! Now the Americans will laugh at Rogozin’s proposal to fly into space with a trampoline! We are RUSSIA! We must keep the mark !!! angry
  12. snifer
    snifer 16 May 2014 06: 50
    +4
    an interesting coincidence isn’t it, we refuse to sell them engines and then we have a rocket request
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 16 May 2014 06: 54
      +6
      We have saboteurs for a long time. It is necessary to calculate and bring them down.
  13. Junior, I
    Junior, I 16 May 2014 06: 51
    0
    Too frequent crash reports. It suggests that the enemy entrenched in production.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 May 2014 07: 32
      0
      Quote: Younger, I
      enemies dug in production

      For centuries, we have blamed mythical enemies for all our failures. Enemies dug in their heads, as Professor Preobrazhensky would say!
      1. Nickanor
        Nickanor 16 May 2014 08: 51
        +2
        (c) Devastation in the heads, not in closets!
  14. awg75
    awg75 16 May 2014 06: 57
    +8
    THE ENEMIES HAVE NOT GATHERED IN PRODUCTION, AND IN MANAGEMENT. EVERYBODY WANTS MORE WALLETS TO RUB YOUR RUBBER INTO QUALITY DAMAGE. THESE CHESTISTS IN THE LEADERSHIP OF SPACE AGENCY HAVE ALREADY ALREADY TO INVITE TO THE PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE. BILLIONS OF RUBLES NITS TO THE WIND LAUNCH
  15. Vlad Gore
    Vlad Gore 16 May 2014 06: 59
    +2
    Quote: qwert
    Well and naturally purchased parts in the same China.

    Himself to such a stupid thought or in the State Department prompted? fool
  16. jovanni
    jovanni 16 May 2014 07: 06
    +2
    Unfortunately, the continuity of generations is not an empty phrase. Those specialists who worked with Korolev are no longer with us. A change did not come to them. And now, one textbook does not learn new ones. Thanks to the Timurov-Gaidarites, who drove all young people into lawyers and economists.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 May 2014 07: 25
      0
      Quote: Jovanni
      Thanks to the Timurites-Gaidarites who drove all young people into lawyers and economists.

      In general, nobody drove anyone anywhere. Young people themselves chose (and mother’s dads advised) where to go to study, to work less and get more! You yourself know this very well.
  17. wizarden
    wizarden 16 May 2014 07: 19
    +8
    Express-AM4 is the first Russian high-energy spacecraft to be launched, launched on August 18, 2011, which was not put into its calculated orbit due to the abnormal operation of the upper stage. Recognized permanently lost on August 30, 2011. Dropped from near-earth orbit on Sunday, March 25, 2012 and flooded in the Pacific Ocean.

    An internal investigation showed that the accident was the result of a software error and negligence of space workers due to the lack of proper control by Roscosmos.

    The funds received from insurance companies ordered a duplicate of the satellite - Express AM4R. This satellite was also lost on a failed launch on May 16, 2014.

    ===================

    The second time it is not possible to display a specific satellite. Couple, I don’t believe in such coincidences ...
  18. Bayonet
    Bayonet 16 May 2014 07: 20
    +1
    As they wrote there the other day - "The dizzying success of Roskosmos, accompanied by the obvious decline of foreign manned astronautics ..." Article "Space trampoline for the USA. Tribute to Dmitry Rogozin."
  19. adok
    adok 16 May 2014 07: 22
    -3
    guys not healthy this thing. superjet planes are falling, proton rockets are falling. ё-mobile does not drive.

    God forbid you decide to fight with America. you’ll kill all your neighbors and yourself with your own missiles that will not reach the United States. only some will already have nuclear warheads ...
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 16 May 2014 07: 32
      +3
      Quote: adok
      ditch all your neighbors and yourself with your own missiles that will not reach the United States. only some will already have nuclear warheads ...

      These ones fly just fine.
    2. semuil
      semuil 16 May 2014 07: 44
      +1
      Oh, it’s not about the USA right now, no matter how we can handle it without you.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 16 May 2014 08: 23
      +1
      Quote: adok
      superjet planes are falling

      And many of them attacked? In Indonesia, I crashed into a mountain because of gouging "The warning system worked in the form of an audible warning:" Ground ahead, go to climb, "and then repeated six more times:" Avoid the ground. "However, the report says, the commander turned off the system," because I assumed the warnings were due to database problems. "
  20. saag
    saag 16 May 2014 07: 26
    0
    if after this case the deliveries of engines under the slogan of continuing cooperation will continue, then this will already be a regularity
  21. sv68
    sv68 16 May 2014 07: 29
    +5
    now they will show us the switchman-electrician who has connected the connectors incorrectly, or has done something similar, the bosses will get a reprimand and a bonus and everything will remain as it is — a lack of specialists, low qualifications of newly hired employees, low salaries and lack of native microelectronics. I know the last point from an engineer working for the space industry, what Russia produces itself does not satisfy customer needs, and foreign microelectronics is either inaccessible or of terrible quality
  22. builder
    builder 16 May 2014 07: 35
    +3
    In Russia, lately the main thing is not the end product but the development of money. While projects will be managed by effective managers and not by designers and engineers, everything will fall and collapse.
  23. DGZ
    DGZ 16 May 2014 07: 39
    0
    But how Europeans and Americans will rejoice. They will suck everything from all sides. They say-sanctions are in effect !!!

    In the light of recent months, it seems to me that making rocket engines will be getting better and better ... And in this case, they probably used engines that ran out of shelf life.

    Interestingly 1 billion rubles to whom the state should return. Is the Express-AM4R communications satellite private or public? Worked for defense or for businessmen? In the second case - not a bit
    1. user1212
      user1212 16 May 2014 07: 52
      0
      "Express-AM4R" was created by the European company EADS Astrium on the order of the Russian satellite operator FSUE "Cosmic Communication"
  24. _umka_
    _umka_ 16 May 2014 07: 44
    -1
    The fifth column is her work.
  25. mgfly
    mgfly 16 May 2014 07: 45
    +1
    MDA ...
    after such incidents, talk about "sanctions in the field of space interactions with the United States" brings a smile (
    but I believe in ours! will be corrected!
  26. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 16 May 2014 07: 53
    +2
    For more than 20 years, space enterprises have been aggressively ruined, why be surprised?
    We have already written above - almost everything has left the old man, no new ones have appeared. Think about who collects the missiles ...
    Now they will investigate, find out ... who to shoot ... they will say that "everything was collected under the previous leadership" ...
    While there were military men at Baikonur, and special acceptance at the factories - missiles did not fall so often.
  27. Balamyt
    Balamyt 16 May 2014 07: 57
    0
    Quote: Siberia
    to overclock the whole guide to the mother, to send the bolts and nuts with the keys

    That's just what you can not do in any case!
  28. AlNick
    AlNick 16 May 2014 07: 58
    +2
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    unpleasant, but not fatal, the reason is known and it’s already good, they will correct it.


    On the face of "work" am a special category of professionals, which are called effective managers.
    1. KBPC50
      KBPC50 16 May 2014 08: 13
      0
      No, not "managers" - m u d ..... mi!
  29. Balamyt
    Balamyt 16 May 2014 08: 02
    0
    Our children are good! And everything that we do with our hands does not fit into any framework! Although recently the situation has begun to change in a positive direction! There would be less mediocrity of leaders at all levels, and in general the situation would change within a year or two!
  30. Glavmec
    Glavmec 16 May 2014 08: 09
    0
    Quote: qwert
    And this pest did not prepare new personnel for production during 25 years. And all kinds of economists and lawyers there will not be able to properly assemble and launch a rocket. In addition to engineers, workers are also needed, with the discharge 6-7. And they were not cooked either.
    Well and naturally purchased parts in the same China.
    Unfortunately, the aerospace industry requires competent personnel with brains and hands. And in our country since 1989 of the year it was put a big ....
    So, I will name the two main pests the first M.S. Gorbachev, the second B.N. Yeltsin.

    Well, let's say there is no 7th grade, but that's not the point. The personnel policy is really shitty: he himself worked as a 5th grade turner at 403 ARZ, they did not pay a salary for half a year, he left in the ranks of his own kind, so now only the Angara airline is left from the plant - this is a division of the plant, a flight test shop. But in terms of industries, one must suppose, this is not the case everywhere: I left the oil industry a long time ago after the aviation industry, so now I have welders with higher education! And in general, the issue of prestige plays an important role in the personnel policy for working specialties - this is where to meet a milling machine operator now, so that he is a Hero of the Socialist. labor was?
  31. Alex66
    Alex66 16 May 2014 08: 09
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    My modest experience in the defense industry suggests that the reason lies in personnel policy. At the enterprise where I worked as shop managers, two guys were put up in a little over 20 years, but their dads had high positions. Similarly, at other enterprises relatives are appointed for monetary positions, and who knows what is not going to do in market conditions, they are going to work for these relatives.
  32. KBPC50
    KBPC50 16 May 2014 08: 11
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    Quote: Canep
    It’s not even a matter of heptyl, but of Proton, every launch of the lottery in Baikonur has interestingly thought of opening a tote.
    It's time, it's time to open the sweepstakes, you see, the next one on the "corner and bank" would pay off, although the Americans will pay some "gagger" and the sweepstakes will not help. Are you organs asleep?
  33. Strashila
    Strashila 16 May 2014 08: 13
    +1
    Quote: AlNick
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    unpleasant, but not fatal, the reason is known and it’s already good, they will correct it.


    On the face of "work" am a special category of professionals, which are called effective managers.


    That's just the point that effective managers have nothing to do with it, they did it like in that joke ... they didn’t move the beds, but they changed the staff ... the effect is the same.
    Rot, somewhere among the manufacturers or those who are responsible for preparing the launch ... the programmers screwed up or the most commonplace, they filled in fuel without preliminary degassing ... the turbine was in the snot.
  34. Weniamin
    Weniamin 16 May 2014 08: 37
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    As they already got it. Then pour goryachki, then add up. Let the marriage out of pocket compensate.
  35. vovan50
    vovan50 16 May 2014 08: 47
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    Why do Protons fall only at the launch of Russian satellites? Foreign are put into orbit without problems.
  36. rereture
    rereture 16 May 2014 08: 59
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    In defense of our space. All the same, the production of a rocket launcher is a laborious and technologically complex thing. Any mistake can lead to such consequences.

    Here, many alarmists shout that our missiles do not fly. So, in 2013, we made 32 launches, of which one is not successful, and one is partially unsuccessful. China in 2013 made 9 launches. of which one is not successful. The United States made 19 launches, not successful. Now compare 19, 32, 9. And think whether everything is as bad as painting.
  37. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 16 May 2014 09: 31
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    It may be enough to carry out tests with an expensive payload ... it is time to re-certify the rocket ... conduct tests of the carrier (possibly according to a shortened program) to test new systems ...
  38. Oml
    Oml 16 May 2014 10: 37
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    Samara TsSKB "Progress", Russia's largest manufacturer of rocket technology, proposed creating a new generation rocket.
    http://pronedra.ru/space/2014/05/16/rakety-metan/
    Just not the next money laundering.
  39. Zomanus
    Zomanus 16 May 2014 11: 24
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    Well, crying here makes no sense. We need to work through the mistakes, work through the processes.
  40. kelevra
    kelevra 16 May 2014 14: 23
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    The second launch is covered, it looks like a diversion!
  41. pvn53
    pvn53 19 May 2014 16: 36
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    The second consecutive unsuccessful launch - this is where the work for military counterintelligence is. This is where the system is viewed. The simplest thing is to blame it on someone.