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Plutarch-2014: why Obama looks pale

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Ancient authors had no doubt that a key role in stories plays a personality. However, for some reason we do not want to admit it. The problem is probably that for a long time we were in captivity of Marxist-Tolstoy historiography and considered “unscientific” conversations about the influence of key characters (political leaders and their advisers) on the course of world events. But the current era is the best demonstrates the importance of the personal factor. If Plutarch were our contemporary, he, it seems, would not deny himself the pleasure of creating a comparative life story of Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin - politicians, from the psychological characteristics of which the further course of history depends.


Now, when the illegitimate Ukrainian government conducts the shelling of Slavyansk, and the West threatens to impose "paralyzing" sanctions against Russia, many have already managed to forget about what happened this fall.

But in order to understand the essence of the events, it is necessary to recognize: the Ukrainian drama did not start in the Donetsk steppes and not even on the Kiev Maidan. It began in Washington at the very moment when Obama refused to direct military intervention in Syria. In the world, this was perceived as an important diplomatic victory for Vladimir Putin. The key states, on which, in the opinion of political scientists, the world order of the 21st century will depend, then made fun of the leader of the United States and spoke with undisguised admiration about his Russian counterpart.

A narcissist American who hates when someone puts him up with a limp weak-willed man harbored a grudge. And, according to a number of observers, he vowed to settle accounts with Putin, who so easily and naturally managed to beat him, taking the place of the main character on the world stage.

For Obama's star disease, this was a real blow. “Despite the fact that many are now talking about a successful resolution of the Syrian crisis, in reality the situation is only confused, and the main problem here is not even in the geopolitical confrontation of the“ great powers ”, but in the psychology of the leaders. Obama is used to acting as the ruler of New Rome and will not tolerate competition. He has a narcissistic personality type. Recall his pursed lips, crossed arms, offended naughty facial expression. American presidents have never looked like this - it looks more like stubborn youths and newly minted provincial teachers. And, most likely, we will see how he will scold “the careless student” Putin, who dared to challenge him, ”wrote The American Thinker in October.

Well, in any case, Obama honestly tried to crack Putin. Let us recall the shots on which he, pursing his lips, threatens Russia with “retribution”. “The American president, apparently, has a vengeful nature,” writes an Alternet correspondent, “and at the time of Putin’s triumph at the Winter Olympics in Sochi, he decided to conduct a special operation in Kiev. As a result of the coup d'etat, Moscow had to completely lose influence in Ukraine, which for centuries was an organic part of the Russian Empire. However, Putin did not agree with this scenario, achieved the annexation of the Crimea and provided moral support to the insurgent regions of the South-East. And in the eyes of the world, Obama, despite all his efforts, once again proved to be the loser, and Putin the winner. ”

Sanctions do not work. In the West, formed the pro-Russian lobby. Rogozin introduces "space sanctions" against the United States, meaning for the number one power humiliation and loss of reputation. And the American president looks more and more ridiculous. Observers in East Asia, Europe, the Middle East, and the United States themselves do not hide the irony. “How can we compare today's Putin’s actions in Crimea with events in Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Afghanistan?” - Writes the American philosopher Noam Chomsky. - What right does the West, which attacked Iraq and occupied it, bombed Afghanistan, provoked the dismemberment of Yugoslavia and recognized Kosovo’s independence, protest, resent and even impose sanctions on Russia for what happened in Crimea, where, as far as I know, was the massacre, ethnic cleansing and violence? "

But Obama, who has long advocated a rationalistic approach to foreign policy, is not ready to listen to the arguments of his opponents this time. After all, he was spat upon, humiliated, smeared on the wall. And more than once. And three times in a row. Initially, in the Syrian issue, when Washington clutched at Putin’s proposal to eliminate the chemical arsenals weapons. Then, when, in response to the coup sponsored by the Americans in Kiev, Putin sent troops to the Crimean peninsula. Finally, at that moment, when the world began to realize that the uprising in the South-East of Ukraine was not the work of terrorist gangs supported by the Kremlin, but a powerful popular movement against the nationalist government in Kiev.

Political poker between Putin and Obama is perceived in the world unequivocally: the American president loses game after game, but being a gambler, each time only increases the stakes in the game. It is almost impossible to stop this process, since the two leaders have practically no points of contact. Putin lives in the real world, Obama - in the idealistic. Putin upholds conservative, in fact, values; Obama has long been an icon of postmodern.

Therefore, modern Ukraine is, among other things, also the place of the postmodern collision with real politics.

And the postmodern in the face of Obama looks, sorry for playing on words, palely.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 15 May 2014 19: 03
    +3
    And the postmodern in the face of Obama looks, sorry for playing on words, palely.

    probably a pale black-eyed-unpleasant sight. what color does it become then?
    1. Hans51
      Hans51 15 May 2014 19: 14
      +15
      He has already brought his country "to the handle", will soon execute his own, so he turned pale and felt sad ...
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      2. Stalker
        Stalker 15 May 2014 19: 28
        +12
        I did not do much sport !!! laughing
        1. Strezhevchanin
          Strezhevchanin 15 May 2014 21: 54
          +1
          Quote: Stalker
          I did not do much sport !!!

          No, it’s all about these ... how about them ... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... of them ... like them ...
      3. mamont5
        mamont5 15 May 2014 19: 41
        +11
        Quote: Hans51
        He has already brought his country "to the handle", will soon execute his own, so he turned pale and felt sad ...


        And in a family of turmoil. His wife recently tried to be active in social networks, and they told her everything they think about her husband.

        "Michelle Obama's attempt to draw attention to the problem of kidnapping of schoolgirls in Nigeria turned against her. Users of social networks advise the first lady to pay attention to how many lives cost her husband's political moves."
        Michelle Obama joined an Internet campaign last week to educate the public about more than 200 Nigerian schoolgirls who have been kidnapped by Boko Haram. Photos of the first lady appeared on the Internet, where she holds a white sheet of paper on which the hashtag # BringBackOurGirls is written (Bring our girls back).
        The reaction of users of social networks to this step of Michelle Obama was not long in coming. There were statements on the Internet that she should pay attention to people who regularly become "victims" of drones in Yemen and Afghanistan.
        The most popular post among social media users was: "Your husband has killed more Muslim girls than Boko Haram can ever do."
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      4. jktu66
        jktu66 15 May 2014 20: 19
        +1
        And the American president is looking more and more comical.
        I have been to Africa more than once, the locals are still racists, and in the mattress such guys, I think, are even more touchy
      5. Horn
        Horn 16 May 2014 06: 32
        +1
        - Why are you torturing a monkey?
    2. Patton5
      Patton5 15 May 2014 19: 14
      +9
      what color does it become then?
      Blue !!!
      1. Ased
        Ased 15 May 2014 19: 24
        +7
        5:0
        Putin and Obama are not even interested in comparing.
        Their boxing match would not be interesting! Bookmakers wouldn’t even accept bets! Their argument is still back and forth! Their affairs are not comparable!
        Shame, Nobel Peace Laureate!
        1. Thompson
          Thompson 15 May 2014 21: 37
          +2
          Shame on the Nobel Prize, if they receive it !!!!!!
          In fact, it must be given to Putin, how many lives he saved in the world!
        2. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p 16 May 2014 04: 20
          +2
          The Bolsheviks loudly declared to the whole world that even a housewife could rule the country.
          The Americans went further - they tried to prove in practice that not only a country, but even a monkey can rule the world.
    3. maks-101
      maks-101 15 May 2014 19: 31
      +6
      Yes, he’s the niger whom they set to steal American folk money, that’s all they steal, and this loshara thinks that he is deciding something, the macaque is underdeveloped, niger, niger, niger and surrender monkey.
      1. Hariva
        Hariva 15 May 2014 20: 08
        +2
        I wonder if the precedent will finally happen when the Nobel Prize is taken away from its owner. In my opinion, it is time to accomplish an epoch-making event, entailing the abolition of this dubious phenomenon, which has long since declassified itself.
      2. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 15 May 2014 21: 59
        +1
        He was assigned not to steal money, but to promote the influence of these pieces of paper under the guise of democracy and other crap, but something went wrong with the guy! And what went wrong is that they (the Americans) simply "sick of it" at the word America, everyone starts to itch, in the most immodest places!
      3. skifd
        skifd 15 May 2014 21: 59
        +1
        Quote: maks-xnumx
        yeah he nigga who put


        Sorry for the "racism", but here's some kind of unsuccessful attempt to put an "African American" president ... Maybe on purpose ??? For example" ????? So that more and in a nightmare ... Never .... ?? laughing Vaughn, in South Africa, after Mandela, the country is also "flourishing" ...
    4. 222222
      222222 15 May 2014 19: 50
      +3
      Obama turned white from anger and powerlessness !!
    5. Predator
      Predator 15 May 2014 20: 18
      0
      probably a pale black-eyed-unpleasant sight. what color does it become then? [/ quote]
      Blue! lol
    6. Sterlya
      Sterlya 15 May 2014 21: 07
      +1
      well yes. Give the Monkey a pomegranate. What will you do next? wassat
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 15 May 2014 19: 11
    +17
    an interesting article, but I think it’s not complete ... as the author correctly noted, the games are going on, but the game is not over yet ... Putin has his aces up his sleeve, while Obama has only a bluff, and the card isn’t at all .. .but here the problem is not in Obama personally, though, in fairness it should be noted that he really looks ridiculous in a compartment with his press secretaries talking about politics in hockey and so on ... the point is which team is in power with Obama and what is in the Kremlin, as well as what forces are concentrated behind these players ... Americans, as a superpower, believe in their own impunity and permissiveness, and therefore any action or opinion is perceived inadequately in principle ... with Iraq, the answer was a force, in Afghanistan it seems to be trying to solve by force ... but with Russia it doesn’t work out, knowing that it’s possible to get into a snot .... but about a diplomacy, the Amer politicians have already forgotten, behind the habit of deciding everything by carnage and arrogance ... and here we see this nonsense, which comes out of the White House over and over again in the form of statements and attempts ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 15 May 2014 21: 57
      +4
      this is what Germans think about Putin and his policy [media = https: //vk.com/video17373968_165883485]
  3. horoh
    horoh 15 May 2014 19: 12
    +8
    Obama does not live in an idealistic world, but in a virtual one !!! The most ridiculous and at the same time tragic, he does not realize this !!! Sorry bibizyanku wassat
  4. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 15 May 2014 19: 13
    +13
    The role of the individual in history is undeniable. Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Lenin, Stalin, Putin ...
  5. Roman1970
    Roman1970 15 May 2014 19: 14
    +10
    Putin beats Obama, undoubtedly ... And the rhetoric of many politicians towards Russia is changing little by little ...
    1. mig29mks
      mig29mks 15 May 2014 21: 49
      0
      https://vk.com/video252107062_169523225 Тут про ВВП!И я с ним согласен!
  6. X Y Z
    X Y Z 15 May 2014 19: 17
    +11
    The newly minted provincial teacher is definitely about Obama. The system of American democracy consists in the fact that from time to time another senator or congressman is removed from any corn state, he is assigned by the local media a flowery bouquet of abilities and talents and this "happiness", having previously made him happy with the title of President of the United States, is shown to all progressive humanity, which is is obliged to rejoice. The latter, even for reliability, was made happy with a Nobel laureate. And it doesn't matter that in 4, but maximum 8 years, everyone will understand that they have slipped a blatant insignificance and will send him to the dump. Nothing, the one-time president fulfilled the main task. This is what is called the triumph of democracy and respect for human rights! Obama is a prime example of such a policy. It just kills his manner of trying to behave with false dignity, speaking weighty, slowly, as if you are being told something incorruptible, and not empty platitudes. This mentoring, messianism also speaks of simply poor upbringing and lack of a critical attitude towards oneself, not to mention the wild manner of constantly tapping someone on the shoulder.
    1. raketnik
      raketnik 15 May 2014 20: 23
      0
      absolutely true buddy bitner
    2. hommer
      hommer 15 May 2014 22: 41
      +2
      Quote: XYZ
      This mentoring, messianism also speaks of simply poor education and the absence of a critical attitude towards oneself.


      Black boy excellent student. From childhood I tried to prove to everyone, first of all to myself, that he is no worse than "snowballs". Uncle Tom's great-grandson was noticed and promoted and encouraged.
      He believed in himself when serious people began to provide serious support.
      He found himself in the right place at the right time, became a politician.
      Under the guidance of puppeteers, he became president of a truly great (we will be objective) country.
      A certain degree of freedom in the development of decisions has.
      But! His children's complexes haven’t gone anywhere!
      He still proves to himself that he is no worse than pale-faced.
      And then in a short period of time he dipped his face in the toilet three times! Publicly!
      Personal resentment of GDP in the mix, with the pressure from the puppeteers, pushes him to the decisions and actions that led him, and the whole world to today's alarming state.
  7. vjhbc
    vjhbc 15 May 2014 19: 18
    +1
    It has long been known that only 5% of people, leaders 15% understand what and why, but they are led, and the remaining 80% are a clean and clear herd to them that the fascists that the communists or democrats are all the same, they do not distinguish between them if they cut or send everything into space equally knows so necessary
    1. Absurdidat
      Absurdidat 15 May 2014 19: 56
      +4
      Yeah, but seriously: the alignment is not like that — out of ten, two freeloader leaders, two or three conquistadore-getter, two morally lowered doedal, the rest passionate. Take an interest in a network social experiments on rats, in Norway, in St. Petersburg my friend is engaged. There the fig is that when ten leaders are taken into the cage, after a night or two the situation is like that again. The same goes for the rest of the categories. If interested, in PM I can give a link. I was amazed, the environment and conditions makes us and you hormonically reorganize, completely change our appearance, behavior, attitudes, my gut. The Stanford experiment is also indicative of this song ..
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  9. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 15 May 2014 19: 25
    +7
    It seems to me that comparing these people is incorrect, since Obama is just a screen with a black face, but GDP is directly a player. What is the use of appealing to a black man if he does not decide anything?
    1. Ased
      Ased 15 May 2014 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      What is the use of appealing to a black man if he does not decide anything?


      You correctly noticed - Obama's own decision to push through, oh how to try! Demons of democracy! :)))
  10. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 15 May 2014 19: 26
    +17
    Do Americans hate being exposed as weak-willed? Do they think this is not so?
    I do not want to be a seer, but the very first military conflict on their territory will reveal all the lack of will, weakness and cowardice of this nation.
    They even prescribed in the charter to surrender when all means of struggle were exhausted.
    And self-sacrifice in the name of their homeland? Oh yes, what am I talking about ... After all, Sailors and Gastello are not Americans.
  11. tokens2
    tokens2 15 May 2014 19: 30
    +2
    Therefore, modern Ukraine is, among other things, also the place of the postmodern collision with real politics.

    I’m even afraid to imagine that in the minds of the Western elite the apostle is postmodern ...- half-life is visible.
    Perhaps we are on the verge of new discoveries ... progress can be pushed in a conservative society.And then tell me WHAT? TO ME! need THIS! POSTMODERNISM!
    I’m proposing ... to reverse human development bully
    and go all the way to the very depths of centuries. Kruug lol
    After all, all the secrets of the universe are in us and not outside.
    And you have to dig deep ... for centuries knowing yourself.
    And those who want to bring their brains to half-life ... we will not interfere.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 15 May 2014 21: 09
      0
      Quote: Lexi2
      ...
      After all, all the secrets of the universe are in us and not outside.
      ...

      But what about space, stars, galaxies, the universe? Are they also inside us, and not outside?
      So it is necessary to "dig" not only "deep" (cognition of oneself) but also in breadth (cognition of the universe).
      1. tokens2
        tokens2 15 May 2014 22: 10
        0
        But what about space, stars, galaxies, the universe? Are they also inside us, and not outside?
        So it is necessary to "dig" not only "deep" (cognition of oneself) but also in breadth (cognition of the universe).

        All this is a figment of the imagination, called progress.
        And in your opinion, the human essence is not worthy of comparison with
        space and galaxy?
        Finding answers inside we find applications of this answer outside.
        And space itself in the modern traditional sense of he ... nya. The main maneuver! laughing
        Cosmic wheel (as we have not yet invented our ancestors).
  12. Hope1960
    Hope1960 15 May 2014 19: 36
    +3
    Obamka thought that if he is the president of America, he is, by default, the best. But no: "Well, Putin is all the nicer, all the blush and whiter ...!" The old guard of US diplomats warns "you can't do this with Russia !!!" But Obamka's little mind is not enough to understand the "mysterious Russian soul". Yes, and once upon a time, it is necessary to hit harder: on February 23 - a coup in Ukraine, on the Olympics - the shooting of "Berkut", on May 9 - Odessa and the South-East! America is getting smaller !!! Shaking in convulsions, like a lady from "Viy"! The mountain gave birth to a mouse - Obamka !!!
  13. fisherman
    fisherman 15 May 2014 19: 37
    +5
    At the heart of the actions and decisions of Putin V.V. and the groups of people behind him stand true human values.
    At the core of the actions and decisions of Obama and the groups of people behind him are false values ​​brought by people of slander. They are zombies of these false values
    The lies of the new pretenders to the role of slaveholders on Earth come to the surface and everyone sees it under whatever masks and screens they hid.
  14. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 15 May 2014 19: 37
    +2
    All the same, we must not forget that the American president is a protege (clerk) of the financial elite. But if we talk about the emotional side of the issue, then he probably did not expect that he could not solve the tasks before him. Given that the available resources from the United States are not commensurate with the Russian. There are solid military bases, all kinds of international funds and banks, solid pro-American politicians (even the UN in Kukan). Just too Americans began to become impudent, it gives rise to a reaction, sobering. His internal reforms are very lame. And so it all began beautifully.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 15 May 2014 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: Yuri I.
      ... the American president ... could not solve the tasks before him. Given that the resources available in the United States are not commensurate with the Russian ... And so it all began beautifully.

      As they say, in order not to fall when walking, take it on your own.
      It just turned out that the cap wasn’t according to Senka, Obama did not correspond to his position. And to be ashamed to admit, this requires not a little courage and self-sacrifice. And where do they get the American? Life is not a Hollywood movie.
  15. jovanni
    jovanni 15 May 2014 19: 39
    +6
    Here it is ... Monkeys, they are only on TV funny and funny. In fact, this is a rather vengeful and dirty animal. So let no one be touched that they look so much like people.
  16. Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 15 May 2014 19: 46
    +2
    Yes, not everything is so bad with this damned America. They got full energy independence at the expense of shale, and ours overslept, their economy continues to grow, and will continue to grow while we are wrapped up, completely thrust our victories into the toilet, it remains only to flush. If they did not start accelerated in Kiev, then there would be a check. But now they are in tsutswang with their Kiev morons, Russia will not hysteria and save face, time on our side will gradually come to the surface, and the truth is about Maidan, and about Crimea, and about Odessa, and all of New Russia. Oh, if we already had a south stream ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 15 May 2014 21: 39
      +3
      Quote: Absurdidat
      Yes, not everything is so bad with this damned America. We got full non-volatility at the expense of shales, and ours overslept ...

      We don’t need to touch shale right now, so far we have enough conventional oil and gas for ourselves and for export.
      With shales, it is still not clear, in the sense of how long it will last. But the fact that the scribe of ecology comes from their production (especially gas) is indisputable. Let the Americans kill their land, no one will give them another.
      We can afford to wait for the invention of not expensive, but safe technology.
  17. boozer
    boozer 15 May 2014 19: 49
    +2
    I agree, Obama does not look very good! Pallor, hmmm is visible. But V. Putin did well, well done.
    Well, a video to cheer you up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hraGcx1_moo
    1. andj61
      andj61 15 May 2014 20: 27
      0
      Quote: boozer
      I agree, Obama does not look very good! Pallor, hmmm is visible. But V. Putin did well, well done.


      If only we would not be disappointed in it in the near future. We look forward to his return from China and new tough decisions!
  18. sledge
    sledge 15 May 2014 19: 51
    +2
    How can a monkey and a person be compared? Rough? Yes, it’s rude, but pendents understand only brute force. Only when they are not talking to them from the position of a subordinate, and not even from the position of an equal, but from the position of a higher authority, they begin to understand
  19. My address
    My address 15 May 2014 20: 01
    +11
    Auto RU hi !

    Babama is really a little sneaky. By his stupidity, he ends up in guano (this is called fertilizer from birds), gets angry, envies Putin and impersonates. So what Bush-mala was distinguished by the presence of a complete lack of intelligence, but Babama surpassed him. Just look at his nominees and take the hell. Nuland, then in Psaki, a silly-looking Kerry.
    Soon, Babama will seriously accuse Moscow of the idiocy of his administration. And the choir of Europeans will sing to him.
    3,14ndosia is degrading and vile.

    Well and in the curtain
  20. Arkan
    Arkan 15 May 2014 20: 03
    +2
    And the postmodern in the face of Obama looks, sorry for playing on words, palely.


    "When a person gets involved in politics, it will not surprise anyone if it turns out that he is a serial killer who has ties to Martian intelligence and also works for the mummy of Ramses II." V. Pelevin.
  21. Dvm70
    Dvm70 15 May 2014 20: 07
    +1
    Of course everything is correct. And there are tactical successes. But it's too early to rejoice. The situation in Russia now, it seems to me, can be characterized by the phrase - "Blade Runner." America has a strong economy. Let it be burdened with debts, but working. They are much better with allies. You can argue for a long time how sincere they are, but at least in words, they actively support her. We are practically alone (if only Venezuela). This struggle will be long and difficult. Much depends on whether Putin can take advantage of the popular upsurge to mobilize the country. Launch industry, economy, curb corruption and oligarchs, and at the same time the fifth column. I really want to believe that everything will work out. That's when we remember that there was such a president in America - Obama, who was unlucky, because in Russia during these years Putin was president.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 15 May 2014 20: 15
      +4
      Quote: Dvm70
      Of course everything is correct. And there are tactical successes. But it's too early to rejoice. The situation in Russia now, it seems to me, can be characterized by the phrase - "Blade Runner." America has a strong economy. Let it be burdened with debts, but working. They are much better with allies. You can argue for a long time how sincere they are, but at least in words, they actively support her. We are practically alone (if only Venezuela). This struggle will be long and difficult. Much depends on whether Putin can take advantage of the popular upsurge to mobilize the country. Launch industry, economy, curb corruption and oligarchs, and at the same time the fifth column. I really want to believe that everything will work out. That's when we remember that there was such a president in America - Obama, who was unlucky, because in Russia during these years Putin was president.

      but nothing that the United States has an external and internal debt for 30 trillion ?! wow, a burden ... add to this an "insignificant" political crisis ... you look and cannot rejoice in the well-being and bright future of America
      1. Dvm70
        Dvm70 15 May 2014 20: 56
        0
        17,5 trillion. And yet - they print dollars. But in order to turn them into pieces of paper a "minor" political crisis is needed. As I understand it, they are working on it. God forbid, during my lifetime, I will still see it. Then we will rejoice.
  22. kodxnumx
    kodxnumx 15 May 2014 20: 11
    0
    US policy does not look pale but silly!
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  23. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 15 May 2014 20: 24
    +1
    If Plutarch were our contemporary, he, I think, would not deny himself the pleasure of creating a comparative biography of Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin - politicians whose psychological course depends on the future course of history.

    We butted two weeks ago with the anti-Gumilevites and FomenkoNosovtsy on this resource, and the history reenactors appeared again, who did not understand the main thing in the idea of ​​Plutarch the historian, who compared two parallel historical LINES of development = Greek / Roman, ahead / lagging behind a specific historical period (phase shift = electricians will understand, corpse-eaters will happily lick their lips in anticipation of bringing the opponent "to zero level = learn materiel!"). We and "mattress-makers" are in different forms of the development of ethnic groups. Therefore, the comparison of "white man" and h / w "monkey" in one historical period is simply not correct. I heard about Plutarch on "The Voice of Matrasia" in 1977 at BAM (in the construction team - July 25-26, 1977, 129 km., The center section of Bam-Tynda "in the dryer" under the smell of drying footcloths and storm jackets and boots already on fire - about the comparison of Rome and America. ”I didn't get it, because I had read the two-volume Comparative Biographies ... half a year earlier.
    1. andj61
      andj61 15 May 2014 20: 52
      +2
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      Butted about two weeks ago with anti-Gumilevites and Fomenko Nosovtsy on this resource

      They did not butt on this resource, but only clarified the terminology and the possibility of obtaining interesting information.
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      We and "mattress-makers" are in different hypostases of the development of ethnic groups.

      USA 200 with a small age. The full life cycle of the superethnos according to L. Gumilyov is about 500 years. What stage of development is their superethnos at? From what date does the middle of the 17 century, the final formation of the Anglo-Saxon superethnos, count from the moment the country was formed or from the moment of the English bourgeois revolution?
      If this is the 1 case, then the superethnos of the USA are on the rise, and it will be difficult for us. If the second, then it is close to stasis, and stops development.
      And at what stage of development are we? If you count from 1917 - then on the rise, if from 1613 - then they are also close to stasis.
      There are more questions than possible answers. All these theories can justify something, but they cannot predict something!
      Plutarch, in his biographies, compared specific Greeks and Romans in pairs, nevertheless gravitated to the Greeks, being one himself. These works of his cannot be called historical, too much personal relationship.
      I do not think that the works of Plutarch can be superimposed in any way on the works of L. Gumilyov, and, especially, on the popular science books of A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovsky.
      It is not worth comparing us with mattress covers for another reason - we belong to different civilizations, we have different development guidelines and different life values ​​with them. With them, and with almost all Europeans, we will certainly never be brothers. Yes, and really do not want to!
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 16 May 2014 05: 21
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        Quote: andj61
        US 200+ years old. The full life cycle of the superethnos according to L. Gumilyov - about 500 years.

        From the founding of Rome in 753 BC e. before his "fall" in 476 AD. 1229 years have passed. More than twice as much as you indicated. And the Byzantine super-ethnos: Byzantium, the Eastern Roman Empire (395-1453). Again, twice as much.
        LNG in his writings indicates that the period of existence of an ethnos is from 1000 to 1500 years.
        The United States belongs to the Western European super-ethnos, which is 200-300 years older than the Russian super-ethnos.
        According to the Russian superethnos L.N.G. considered his appearance somewhere in the period from Alexander Yaroslavich (Nevsky) to the Battle of Kulikovo (1380)
      2. Horn
        Horn 16 May 2014 06: 49
        +1
        With the so-called. In fact, the difference between "Western" civilization is very simple: They are Protestants and Catholics, with whom "rich means pleasing to God", we are Orthodox (Orthodox), for whom "you cannot make stone chambers by righteous labor." Everything is very simple. They are purely materialists, we are idealists. We have God in our souls, they have in their wallet. And even the fact that the overwhelming majority of the modern population is atheists does not negate this fact. That is why, for all the external dissimilarity, the Muslim worldview is much closer to us than the Protestant or Catholic one.
        At least in our country, no one had the audacity to declare himself "governor" ie. God's substitute on earth.
  24. Capyar 48315
    Capyar 48315 15 May 2014 20: 27
    +2
    one is talented - the other is ambitious. one is decisive - the other looks back at the opinion of those who gave the election. a company of money elites. one speaks little and on the matter - the other a lot, but hysterically and to no purpose. Attention - a question! Which of these two nameless people will cause the greatest sympathy and support?
  25. Palladium900
    Palladium900 15 May 2014 20: 39
    +4
    Fantasy?. Putin’s rating in America has grown so much that they collected signatures for a referendum on joining Russia! Their slogan is: "Join Russia - Putin as President." How can Obama not be sad? laughing
  26. nikrandel
    nikrandel 15 May 2014 20: 41
    +2
    Americans themselves would like Putin as their presidents
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 15 May 2014 22: 00
      0
      Quote: nikrandel
      Americans themselves would like Putin as their presidents

      It remains to ask what actions they (wanted) expected from him, would they?
      I also want to ask: what are you ready to take such a step?
      American dream crashed in such a short time?
  27. andj61
    andj61 15 May 2014 20: 56
    +1
    You can not compare Putin and Obama.
    You look at Obama and wonder: how can you so stupidly sift, having such opportunities?
    About such G. Derzhavin wrote:
    The donkey will remain a donkey
    While screeching it with stars;
    Where the mind must act,
    He only claps his ears.
  28. nikrandel
    nikrandel 15 May 2014 20: 57
    +2
    Definitely, Obama buried his political future somewhere in the tents of the Maidan.
    I think he should seriously think about his future housing, because in his homeland, in Hawaii, even the homeless will not want to share garbage bins with him))
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 15 May 2014 22: 03
      0
      Quote: nikrandel
      Definitely, Obama buried his political future somewhere in the tents of the Maidan.

      Much earlier: The inauguration of Barack Obama, the 44th president of the United States, occurred on January 20, 2009.
  29. NEXUS
    NEXUS 15 May 2014 21: 12
    +3
    Quote: Dvm70
    17,5 trillion. And yet - they print dollars. But in order to turn them into pieces of paper a "minor" political crisis is needed. As I understand it, they are working on it. God forbid, during my lifetime, I will still see it. Then we will rejoice.

    17 trillions is an external debt ... and there is also an internal more than 16 trillions
  30. NEXUS
    NEXUS 15 May 2014 21: 18
    +3
    Quote: andj61
    Quote: 11111mail.ru
    Butted about two weeks ago with anti-Gumilevites and Fomenko Nosovtsy on this resource

    They did not butt on this resource, but only clarified the terminology and the possibility of obtaining interesting information.
    Quote: 11111mail.ru
    We and "mattress-makers" are in different hypostases of the development of ethnic groups.

    USA 200 with a small age. The full life cycle of the superethnos according to L. Gumilyov is about 500 years. What stage of development is their superethnos at? From what date does the middle of the 17 century, the final formation of the Anglo-Saxon superethnos, count from the moment the country was formed or from the moment of the English bourgeois revolution?
    If this is the 1 case, then the superethnos of the USA are on the rise, and it will be difficult for us. If the second, then it is close to stasis, and stops development.
    And at what stage of development are we? If you count from 1917 - then on the rise, if from 1613 - then they are also close to stasis.
    There are more questions than possible answers. All these theories can justify something, but they cannot predict something!
    Plutarch, in his biographies, compared specific Greeks and Romans in pairs, nevertheless gravitated to the Greeks, being one himself. These works of his cannot be called historical, too much personal relationship.
    I do not think that the works of Plutarch can be superimposed in any way on the works of L. Gumilyov, and, especially, on the popular science books of A.T. Fomenko and G.V. Nosovsky.
    It is not worth comparing us with mattress covers for another reason - we belong to different civilizations, we have different development guidelines and different life values ​​with them. With them, and with almost all Europeans, we will certainly never be brothers. Yes, and really do not want to!

    you count from the time of Gardarika ... it will be more accurate ... although this is conditional, maybe there are versions that the Slavic tribes appeared even earlier ...
  31. rassel0889
    rassel0889 15 May 2014 21: 22
    0
    There should be a red star in the picture on the shield, and the stripes should be black and orange! Then it will be Captain Russia))
    1. the villain
      the villain 16 May 2014 03: 13
      0
      Quote: rassel0889
      There should be a red star in the picture on the shield, and the stripes should be black and orange! Then it will be Captain Russia))

      Something like this?
  32. Karabin
    Karabin 15 May 2014 21: 50
    +1
    Is Putin outplaying Obama? Maybe, but only in "personal competitions". But there are a lot of Obamas, but there is only one Putin. Smoked will be replaced by a stronger one, and VVP will be replaced by Medvedev.
    Now about the "team meetings" in Ukraine.
    The United States has invested in "democracy" a confirmed 5 billion green rubles, Russia has not received enough for gas, that is, invested in the "Yanukovychs", approximately for the same period, about 35 billion, according to GDP. The intermediate result of "capital investments": the annexed Crimea, unambiguously anti-Russian and pro-American Kiev, who would not become a primer there, and the ambiguous South-East. And who is in the account?
    We look from the other side. Gentlemen, It is not Canada that is falling apart and burning near the United States, but Ukraine. These are not Canadian relatives and friends of Americans falling into the bloody massacre, but Russian and Ukrainian relatives and friends of Russians, these are not pro-American tourniquets, but pro-Russian ones. And do not care that Obama "loses at poker", and the former Yankee prezik gave out bushisms, it is almost burning here.
  33. Dezinto
    Dezinto 15 May 2014 22: 02
    0
    ..........................
  34. ksv500
    ksv500 15 May 2014 22: 10
    +3
    Quote: Ajent Cho
    It seems to me that comparing these people is incorrect, since Obama is just a screen, but GDP is directly a player.

    Absolutely agree! It’s nice to read the article, but it’s not so simple, and it’s not Obama who really drives the United States. Another thing is that during the 23 of Amerovsky’s homelessness in the world, they completely forgot how to diplomacy. And this is great for us now on hand!
  35. pOpolzen
    pOpolzen 15 May 2014 22: 57
    0
    Yes, they are already there almost all the clowns with a capital letter.
    For fun. One thing is bad - these downs have a lot of weapons. And so - America's big tops laughing
  36. zinander
    zinander 15 May 2014 23: 09
    0
    Where is there a native of Kenya, against a former KGB officer lol
  37. upasika1918
    upasika1918 16 May 2014 01: 03
    +1
    Himself, and fooled.
  38. the villain
    the villain 16 May 2014 02: 19
    0
    Quote: Iskander
    Where is there a native of Kenya, against a former KGB officer

    KGB officers are not former, as it turned out, abizzyany too.
  39. Lyton
    Lyton 16 May 2014 03: 02
    0
    All this is good about Putin, but I’m wondering who will be after him, Medvedev is weak, apparently Rogozin, no other candidates are visible, if only Matvienko.
  40. the villain
    the villain 16 May 2014 03: 46
    0
    Well, maybe still Shoigu.
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  43. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina 16 May 2014 06: 59
    0
    It’s indecent to somehow compare these two presidents. Putin is the president, and Obama is the safari park ranger.
    Asked a question
    All this is good about Putin, but I wonder who will be after him ...
    I think Putin again. Medvedev was already, God forgive me.
  44. Serg7281
    Serg7281 16 May 2014 10: 04
    0
    What is the king and such a retinue. All of these Psaki, Nulanda, Kerry do not discredit their patron, but rather complement their tongue-tied tongue, completely detached from reality, stupid comments on what is happening in the world and in Ukraine.
    Accordingly, our government officials in dealing with their officials should make a correction for the intelligence of the interlocutor.
  45. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 16 May 2014 13: 45
    0
    The whole USA looks rather pale today, as in a joke, her desires have ceased to coincide with the possibilities. And Putin is to blame for everything: blamed the GDP in Afghanistan, screwed up in Syria again because of Russia, soon they will blame us for all their "troubles". The collapse of the world gendarmerie is inevitable, but the main thing is not to allow them to "learn" something!
  46. Lyton
    Lyton 16 May 2014 16: 24
    0
    Quote: valentina-makanalina
    I think Putin again. Medvedev was already, God forgive me.

    Well, this is understandable, not even discussed, but after that. I think Shoigu in a row, he is a warrior and takes his place.