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Ukraine: I grieve, but I do not understand

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I see the same thing that any Russian sees: murder, humiliation, lawlessness. But the farther, the more everything that happens causes me to be perplexed and not understand.


As a normal person, I deeply mourn everyone who died in Ukraine. Especially those who died for a just cause. And I hope that the time will come when the executioners and murderers will respond in full to the people. I hope so far.

It is not clear to me how many more good people should perish so that it will come to the people that everything cannot continue to wait? Unfortunately, the best ones die, those who are ahead. I do not understand a few points that I would like to voice.

Why 20 000 freaks spend ATO on the territory of Donbass? Why doesn’t everyone care? The simplest arithmetic: Donetsk and Lugansk regions are 7 of millions of inhabitants. One out of a hundred who fought is an army in 70 000 people. I note, warring not for 1300 hryvnia per month, but for their land.

Where to look for in the end these fighters against terrorism? Theoretically - in the fields and forests. But in practice, alas, is different. In practice, the so-called “Army of the Southeast” successfully opposes the army and the National Guard under, and that’s all.

Often complain that there is little weapons. "Now if we were given, we would go." At the same time, our channels show Lugansk, where for some reason everyone is armed at checkpoints. Yes, not AK, but also from the Great Patriotic War. I myself have seen the Mosinki, PPSh, and PPS. Older? Maybe. But quite comparable. Fighting is not a weapon, but a man, whatever one may say. There would be a desire. And about the trilinea just keep quiet. She does not know what a bulletproof vest is, therefore she ignores. Any. Will fly.

And it turns out that in Slavyansk, where the so-called "Terrorists", pulled all the forces of the junta. Who can not really do anything with these terrorists. Yes, and not really torn. Because you can really get a bullet.

But in Mariupol or Odessa, you can roam in full. Because there they will meet at best, in short. And barehanded.

I hurt a lot. Is it not clear that these are not people? What will they kill, because they are paid for it Kolomoisky, Poroshenko and others? And they kill. With impunity, reveling in this. And then the words in the camera: "How could they, we left without a weapon?"

I am a normal person, I look at it with a knife over my heart. But I look. But it has long been clear to me that it is precisely because without weapons that everything happens. If they knew this trash, that they would meet the trunks - it would hardly have been so brazen.

Not everyone, fortunately, relies on the power of words and empty hands. In Kramatorsk there was an 8 in May; for some reason, the media got around. The self-defense patrol headquarters received a signal that the sniper seemed to be sitting on the roof of the 14-storey building. Patrol by car arrived very quickly. They climbed to the roof - and the truth is, a sniper. It's getting cold already. Apparently, he slipped and fell three times on the knife with his back. The knife in the back remained. And a rifle near. And silence.

Another incomprehensible to me aspect. Take the same Slavyansk or Kramatorsk. Especially Kramatorsk. In spite of everything, people go to work every day. On the plants owned by Taruta, Akhmetov, Kolomoisky. And every day they bring hryvnia to the owners, for which the above-mentioned gentlemen buy mercenaries, pay the National Guard, buy everything they need. That is, they continue to finance those who shoot at their own relatives, relatives, and acquaintances. Nonsense, to be honest.

Slavyansk. City under siege. The city is blocked. They are fighting. What do you think in factories? Slavtechmet, Remtyazhmash, Gennlikh Ukraine, Donmetsplav? Yes, both worked and continue. Let everything collapse, and we will thresh. So?

I had the imprudence to ask such a question to one factory worker from Tehmet. Accidentally met online. The policy is simple:

“I cannot participate in resistance because I have to work. If I don't quit, they'll fire me. They will dismiss - it is difficult to find a job, therefore they will manage without me. ”

I was stunned. But what about Bandera? What about language? Independence?

“Well, there guys are fighting the same,” was the answer.

I have a break of reality in general. But what about the referendum? Well you voted against those for whom you are working? What then is your referendum worth?

“Well, I do not know, it will be seen there. No, independence is needed, there is nothing to feed goats in Kiev. But work is also needed. ”

I looked at a lot with different eyes. Indeed, why not go to a referendum? The output is the same. On weekends, you can vote for independence. And on Monday we have to work again. And let them shed blood, who have no other business. Who does not think about tomorrow? And really, what do they think? Every day they can be the last.

To my great regret, he is not alone. They are, as practice shows, millions in the territory of Donbass. Which is actually a damn what it will be like tomorrow. Will work - this is important. And by whom - Akhmetov, Taruta, or, for example, Tsarev, who also breaks into power - it does not matter. The main thing is that it will be tomorrow.

And if not?

For me, it was not a revelation when today Turchinov announced the termination of subsidizing production. No money left. Hello, the Russian nineties in Ukraine! What will happen next - we know. A wave of bankruptcies and a ransom for the cheap plants of the junta’s friends. So what is next?

I will give this example. In those very years, in Voronezh, the Philips company bought a large plant called “EVP”. Kinescopes for TV, he released. All were delighted, right now trample! There will be our "VELSy" with "Filipkovskaya" stuffing! Cool!

And the plant stood on the reconstruction of 7 for years and was sold back ... for the 1 dollar. But by this time the VELS remained without kinescopes. And we were left without two factories and with a bunch of people on the street.

For me, now a lot of questions. Does he need a referendum? Does independence need such people? No answers yet.

I understand Pushilin, who immediately after the declaration of independence was asked to join the alliance with Russia. There is no other way out. And it cannot be, for as V. I. Ulyanov said a long time ago, "every revolution is only worth something if it can defend itself."

Who will protect this revolution? Again, shooters and comrades? Five thousand from all over Ukraine (and not only Ukraine) will protect 7 (seven) millions?

The picture is ugly, to be honest. Even taking into account the fact that the troops, still loyal to the junta, do not seek to break their foreheads against the army of the Southeast. Who will throw this trash from the land of Donbass? Who will guard the borders of the unrecognized republic? Who will bring order to this long-suffering land?

Looking east again? Waiting for the Russian army again? And yourself?

I do not claim to be the cleverest and understanding. Therefore, I ask such questions. I do not understand much in this situation. There are people much smarter. For example, Putin.

But Putin is silent ...
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  1. Thompson
    Thompson 14 May 2014 08: 30
    +57
    Very many in Ukraine want to honor today's heroes, but in no way becomes them. Alas
    1. igor_m_p
      igor_m_p 14 May 2014 08: 49
      +41
      That's it ... According to many - in life there is always a place for achievement, the main thing is to stay away from this place. I don’t remember who said it, but this is just about the majority of the population of today's southeast Ukraine ...
      1. domokl
        domokl 14 May 2014 09: 13
        +39
        That's right ... There’s nothing to add .. That’s the difference between the situation in the Crimea and the DPR ... Most people don’t give a damn who will be in power ...
        1. vlum
          vlum 14 May 2014 09: 35
          0
          And I do not see a fundamental difference in the points indicated in the article between the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk.
          1. vlum
            vlum 14 May 2014 16: 04
            +13
            It's funny ... we repeat once again: the article does not disclose the specifics of the Crimea, which made it unlike Donetsk and Lugansk.

            I’ll try to highlight the point about what is indicated in the article in order.

            1. Compared to the total number, there are few volunteers of their own in the civilian militia - in Crimea there were also not very many such civilians. Golden eagle, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Security Service of Ukraine, the Prosecutor's Office and other professionals are not emphasized under the article. But Crimea distinguished itself primarily by this. Plus, Crimea, in a larger percentage, are the military who were transferred to the reserve, about which the article is silent. An unarmed militia cannot be counted, but ... and if you think about it, how many such militias will be, for example, in Mariupol? From which the Nazi Guard even escaped even before approaching at least some help from Donetsk. And suppose, if we do not know all the details, then there is absolutely nothing to crush the water in the mortar.

            2. Civilians go to work ... So in the Crimea, those who had / have gone / go to work. They came to the referendum, they also came to rallies. And the rest of the time they went and go to work. Moreover, private enterprises affiliated with the Ukrainian oligarchs are still working and now citizens of the Russian Federation continue to work with the same oligarchs in Crimea. The Crimean government claims that private business will in no way be destroyed in compliance with the laws of the Russian Federation. The article also talks about potential problems for enterprises in the SE. AND?

            3. Weapons. There is no point in comparing with Crimea, since there should no longer be a people's militia there. Now the militia of the people's republics is gradually solving these problems and the situation will be aligned in plus compared with Crimea.
            1. Iskander Khan
              Iskander Khan 15 May 2014 23: 25
              +3
              I agree. I walked and while I will go to work. Fortunately, my mine seems to be subordinated to the DPR. But even if she is Akhmetovskaya. Signatures - yes, the problem. On the other hand, how will they prevent the same Mariupolites now? At least 7 million signatures? The army of the enemy will not arm themselves with signatures. A strike will prevent only hard workers. A plant or enterprise simply does not make money. After all, not all earnings go to the same Akhmet. From 30% to 60% (depending on the enterprise) of the money goes to salaries and deductions, including local budgets. Another 20% -40% is equipment, materials, raw materials and energy sources. I will not say that Ahmet is at a loss, but if the enterprise stands idle until the DNI state is formed, then later it simply may not start. Namely, this will be the 90s. On the other hand, Lugansk residents have already begun the nationalization of enterprises. Not today - tomorrow Akhmetov factories will nationalize. And those who today are afraid to lose their jobs and put signatures, tomorrow will help in this. And the day after tomorrow will continue to work under the flag of the DNI. The state is formed not only with a machine gun, but also with conscientious work at the machine tool. Let the enemy use part of the labor so far, but the majority of the profit remains with the hard workers.
              1. Irkit
                Irkit 16 May 2014 13: 13
                +1
                Some work, others are at war. It has always been and always will be.
                16/05/2014
        2. Skipper2050
          Skipper2050 14 May 2014 11: 48
          +10
          Not that I don't give a damn ... How much fear. You decide there, and we'll see who is what and who is who.
        3. Evgeniy-111
          Evgeniy-111 14 May 2014 12: 50
          +11
          At the "Sunday evening" Solovyov 2 weeks ago there was a deputy from the Party of Regions of the Ukrainian Rada (in my opinion). So, when asked what do you want in Ukraine, she answered: "We want harmony. And all the same, under whose flag - the United States, Russia or Bandera."
          1. Ebundey Mukhryuev
            Ebundey Mukhryuev 14 May 2014 13: 26
            +10
            There they are! And what for then referenda were to hold? ... Vova Putin will come, he will protect him from the Nazis, and they will continue to work for Kalomoysky and other Nazis. Well done, you!
            It's hard for me to understand them. Crimean - I understand! I hope they do not let you down, but we must not let us down. Do not disappoint them. Have themselves a complete mess! That's where you need to WORK!
            1. Iskander Khan
              Iskander Khan 15 May 2014 23: 33
              +4
              Japanese policeman !!! It was a hundred times easier for the Crimeans. The "polite people" came, organized a referendum and annexed it to Russia. I don’t remember the lengthy mass strikes in Crimea. Even at the same Akhmetov enterprises in Crimea, people still work. But now it is not so easy for Akhmet to fire them.
              Spend the same scenario in New Russia. Believe you and us as well, as Crimeans understand. You protected them while they provided their family budget. And what do we feed families? Militias to convert into foragers? And where to send? To Dnepropetrovsk? Zaporozhye? Or Russia?
          2. Vlad.K.S.
            Vlad.K.S. 16 May 2014 23: 08
            0
            Harmony between whom? Between Yarosh and Simonenko? When concepts change, then the attitude to what is happening will change.
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 14 May 2014 14: 59
        +9
        Quote: igor_m_p
        . According to many - in life there is always a place for achievement, the main thing is to stay away from this place.


        That is how it is.
        But when was it wrong? The Bolsheviks and volunteers fought fiercely in the civil war, and the bulk of the troops of the huge Red Army by the end of the war were "nibilized".
        Kiev from the Bolsheviks and Petliurites took a small detachment of volunteers in only two thousand bayonets and sabers.
        the passivity of the bulk of the population of the Russian Empire was then noted in the memoirs by many active participants in those events. The exception was, and only until a certain time, the Cossacks. They just began to exterminate (Donetsk people are wrong) according to the storytelling policy, so they made up a significant part of the white armies. Besides - it was an estate, the neighbor went, as I did not go.
        In the occupied territory during the WWII, the absolute majority were not traitors and accomplices, but not all were partisans either. For different reasons. In general, until the Bandera rooster bites very hard, the miner will not cross himself.
        An organization is needed, a small but active group is capable of mobilizing tens of times more of its numbers for the struggle.
        For Donbass thousands would be 30. And the junta would not be able to
        to do something.
        1. Tourist
          Tourist 17 May 2014 03: 16
          0
          For Donbass thousands would be 30. And the junta would not be able to
          to do something.
          So Strelkov, like yesterday, announced the figure of 27000 freshly registered volunteers.
      3. soyuz-nik
        soyuz-nik 14 May 2014 18: 34
        +11
        I wish you good health! Allow me not to agree with you all!

        1. The era of tranquility and wanderings on laurels after the Great Patriotic War has come.

        2. The era of consumption has come (fat penguin and all that). Many people go out at night if someone calls for help?

        3. The Soviet government, unfortunately, made the people extras in political life (what, for example, is the turnout in elections now? After all, elections are the very same "showdown" of who is who?). And if the people are too lazy to raise them to the elections, then ANRIAL should go to a real war! I think that in the case of the referendums in the DPR and LPR, the scheme is quite different: under the pressure of the current military factor, the people fulfilled their civic duty by voting. And on that waking up ...

        4. I think that not only in Ukraine, but also in the Russian Federation and in other republics of the former. USSR people in their mass are unlikely to jump out of their pants and take on the berdanks in such a situation.

        5. In peaceful life there is such a stratum that someone aptly called "eternal social activists" who campaign, go to elections, etc. and, unfortunately, there are only a few of them. Roughly the same in the military aspect: there are few Men with bare nerves who are really ready to fight for their ideals.

        6. For the most part, people are waiting for Putin to come (Ilya Muromets, Dobrynya Nikitich ...), wave his club and disperse the adversaries .... Here comes Shrovetide!

        7. Perplexity to the Author of the article: what has Tsarev to do with it? Why does the Author believe that Tsarev is striving for power? Then, according to the author's logic, Bolotov (a speedy recovery to him!), Pushilin, Strelkov, Gubarev and others (respect for their courage) are also striving for power and want to become oligarchs? If the author does not understand what Tsarev risked when he went to Kiev, then maybe the Author will go there, put on the St. George ribbon and stand in the Maidan area with a poster like "Shame on Ukraine, death to Benderast!"

        May the Force be with us!
        1. suprunmm
          suprunmm 14 May 2014 22: 33
          +2
          I absolutely agree with you.
        2. zoknyay82
          zoknyay82 14 May 2014 23: 57
          +1
          I agree one hundred percent! Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side (quote from Shota).
        3. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 15 May 2014 00: 06
          +2
          Quote: soyuz-nik
          I think that not only in Ukraine, but also in the Russian Federation and in other republics of the former. USSR people in their mass are unlikely to jump out of their pants and take on the berdanks in such a situation.

          oh come on ...
          in Moscow, self-organization is better than in the Donbass ...
          they just feel warm and comfortable in their swamp ... by the way, this also applies to some of our regions (not all) ...

          for example, take Moscow and Volgograd ... terrorist attacks ...
          all of us have long been accustomed to the idea that going down the subway you can’t get out of it, and this doesn’t scare anyone ...
          in Volgograd - panic, horror and questions "how is that?" and "this could not happen to us!" ...

          the same thing is happening in Ukraine, they cannot fully believe that this is all about them and about them ...
          not in distant Moscow or Baghdad, not with Iraqis or Libyans, but with them ...
          1. Iskander Khan
            Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 03
            +2
            Oh come on ...
            If tomorrow on the streets of Moscow there will be crowds of football fans backed up by skinheads, and even with unnatural support from Caucasians, then I would see how Muscovites would organize themselves. Just imagine that in power it’s not Putin, but Yeltsin. And after half a year they would have thrown off Yeltsin and brought ... for example, Novodvorskaya. And a month later she would send troops against Peter who rebelled against her.
            Would you strongly organize yourself in this situation?
    2. Kazanec
      Kazanec 14 May 2014 09: 23
      +25
      That's why Putin is restrained. I don’t understand how a normal man, seeing what is happening around, can sit back at home and talk extensively about the future and go to work ?! To me personally, this is not clear.
      1. Goodmen
        Goodmen 14 May 2014 10: 08
        +23
        Quote: Kazanets
        I don’t understand how a normal man, seeing what is happening around, can sit back at home and talk extensively about the future and go to work ?! To me personally, this is not clear.


        I can assume that people are stopped by work not for work, but for a salary, for which their families can buy food. And also the lack of active hostilities and the lack of personal threat at the moment.
        People are all different. And the majority still doesn’t really understand the consequences of impending events.
        1. Toni raut
          Toni raut 14 May 2014 13: 41
          +7
          There is one little man, a little man in Kiev, Known for the fact that the first game was WarCraft - so he does not climb out because of a computer and generally does not know either about the war or about the Maidan, he thinks that everything is normal.
      2. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 14 May 2014 10: 31
        +1
        Quote: Kazanets

        Kazanec


        Today, 09: 23

        ↑ ↓ New


        That's why Putin is restrained. I don’t understand how a normal man, seeing what is happening around, can sit back at home and talk extensively about the future and go to work ?! To me personally, this is not clear.


        Zombie! or robot! work-home-work! nothing else in life is interesting!
        1. Oprychnik
          Oprychnik 17 May 2014 02: 59
          0
          Parasite bazaar!
      3. Iskander Khan
        Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 08
        +3
        But like this. Do you think the same militias are pouring security from heaven? DNR must provide a militia. Collateral is provided from local budgets in one way or another. And budgets are replenished thanks to the work of enterprises, where the divan troops work. When I go to work, I also help to some extent with resistance. Even those who work for Akhmetov. During the Patriotic War, people continued to work even in the occupied factories and fields, because part of them went to local residents.
        1. blackberry
          blackberry 16 May 2014 00: 27
          0
          Iskander Hanu:
          A little bit wrong. Collateral is provided from ATMs of Russian banks. Sberbank and VTB24. I can’t give a source, sorry. Some oligarchs expect to take the junk of other oligarchs to their hands, through other people's labor, hands, lives.
        2. leo74
          leo74 16 May 2014 10: 10
          0
          You don’t understand ... In the Second World War, all German enterprises working for the German military economy were destroyed. And it doesn’t matter if she fed people or not. Understand, working at the enterprises of the oligarchs, you thereby replenish their wallets from which funds go to war with you. It turns out that you work for them on your own, helping to kill those who are fighting for you. This is licorice on the part of divodavods. Either nationalize these enterprises or destroy them. There is NO other way !!!
      4. Basarev
        Basarev 16 May 2014 17: 57
        0
        I don’t know how others, but personally, I am completely ready at any moment to advance to the militia. I am not indifferent to the fate of people. Just find the road ...
      5. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 17 May 2014 03: 04
        0
        What do you write from Kazan yourself and go to work, right? Blow to Donetsk, and then blow to everyone’s ears, you are our glorious one!
        1. Kazanec
          Kazanec 20 May 2014 19: 04
          0
          And what can’t you write from Kazan ?! Of course I go, and I do not make so bad money. You yourself apparently write from Donetsk ???? There will be such a commotion in Russia, I won’t sit out at home, and there are enough men without me who need to protect their land and loved ones! And there will be a war, undermine, do not hesitate, despite 5 dependents, so do not cling.
        2. Kazanec
          Kazanec 20 May 2014 19: 04
          0
          And what can’t you write from Kazan ?! Of course I go, and I do not make so bad money. You yourself apparently write from Donetsk ???? There will be such a commotion in Russia, I won’t sit out at home, and there are enough men without me who need to protect their land and loved ones! And there will be a war, undermine, do not hesitate, despite 5 dependents, so do not cling.
    3. amigo1969
      amigo1969 14 May 2014 10: 02
      +15
      I agree with the author of the article ...! I asked myself such questions more than once. During my service in the border troops (late 80s) there was a very large percentage of soldiers / warrant officers from the eastern regions of Ukraine. I want to note that the soldiers were good. Their current age is quite "combat-ready" .. Where are they ??? !!! I would like to believe that most of them are subordinate to Strelkov ...
      1. Salamander
        Salamander 14 May 2014 10: 21
        +40
        For hatskraynikov there is such a pattern.
      2. pvn53
        pvn53 14 May 2014 11: 33
        +8
        Quote Who will defend this revolution? Shooters and comrades again? Five thousand from all over Ukraine (and not only Ukraine) will protect 7 (seven) million?
        Looking east again? Waiting for the Russian army again? And yourself?

        I fully support the author, because I myself wondered why it’s been swaying in the SE for so long. Who besides them will be hammering right-wingers who don’t hide that they sewed to kill, and really kill.
        1. 222222
          222222 14 May 2014 12: 49
          +1
          pvn53 RU Today, 11:33 am ↑ Looking east again? Are we waiting for the Russian army again? And yourself? "
          "Intervention without a fight - the new art of war by Vladimir Putin (" Le Monde ", France) [ENGLISH VERSION AVAILABLE]"
          http://www.e-news.su/politics/10831-vmeshatelstvo-bez-boya-novoe-iskusstvo-voyny
          -vladimira-putina-le-monde-franciya.html
          http://www.e-news.su/politics/10831-vmeshatelstvo-bez-boya-novoe-iskusstvo-voyny
          -vladimira-putina-le-monde-franciya.html
          ..and investigation "Regarding Krasnoarmeysk, Mariupol and other actions of illegal armed groups" ""
          .http: //stainlesstlrat.livejournal.com/698919.html
          ... http://www.e-news.su/index.php?do=lastnews
      3. andj61
        andj61 14 May 2014 14: 02
        +2
        Quote: amigo1969
        I want to believe that most of them are subordinate to Strelkov ...

        If this were so, then in the Donbass there would no longer be troops subordinate to the Kiev junta.
    4. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 14 May 2014 10: 29
      +7
      “Well, there guys are fighting the same,” was the answer.

      Here !!! That's exactly what most TAM thinks!

      Until everyone gets up without lifting their asses, the junta will sit, and the war can last for years.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 14 May 2014 11: 54
        +9
        Roman, I already recognize you by style. I read the first few paragraphs and immediately wanted to check whose signature. I looked, I was not mistaken.

        On this topic.
        Honestly, the same questions torment me, except for one thing - what is Putin silent about?
        Putin is silent about exactly what this article is written about. And the fact that the people mostly sit in huts ... Well, probably not too hot yet. This time.
        And secondly, it will now be interesting to see how the new Donetsk-Lugansk government begins to hold its organizing events. Creation of parliament or councils of deputies, organization of ministries of finance, internal and external affairs, and of course its own regular army. At the expense of nationalization, they seemed to be declared and now the hard workers do not work for the Akhmetov / Kolomoisk ones, but for themselves (as soon as the bookkeeping is reorganized).
        Therefore, for now, Putin will remain silent and look at the maturity of their decisions. Krymchaks for this took less than a month.
        1. Nick
          Nick 14 May 2014 23: 52
          +2
          Quote: Al_lexx
          At the expense of nationalization, they seemed to be declared and now the hard workers do not work for the Akhmetov / Kolomoisk ones, but for themselves (as soon as the bookkeeping is reorganized).

          In my opinion, the nationalization of Ukrainian state property was declared. Private enterprises do not touch ...
        2. Iskander Khan
          Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 16
          +3
          Yes, Crimea is good to cite as an example. The current government rose there with the support of the "polite". We do not have this power. It is just being formed. Moreover, in the Crimea, part of the organizational problems was taken over by Moscow. We have our problems - our problems. If the Crimeans had to think about going to work or disconnect from Russia without the support of local authorities and outside help, how many of them would choose the latter?
    5. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 14 May 2014 14: 42
      +4
      Therefore, Putin is silent. I completely agree with the author, he always waited for the miners to get out of the mines, the workers would take up arms, and the mines and factories would take up their hands, but in vain. And they say full weapons in the mine, even MG-42 German in grease, not a weak machine gun, anti-tank rifles, etc.
    6. leo74
      leo74 16 May 2014 10: 33
      0
      In the Second World War, all German enterprises working for the German military economy were destroyed. And it doesn’t matter if she fed people or not. Understand, working at the enterprises of the oligarchs, you thereby replenish their wallets from which funds go to war with you. It turns out that you work for them on your own, helping to kill those who are fighting for you. This is licorice on the part of divodavods. Either nationalize these enterprises or destroy them. There is NO other way !!!
    7. Sinara70
      Sinara70 16 May 2014 21: 21
      0
      That's exactly it .....
      For your happiness, well-being and life, you must FIGHT yourself!
      For life - wives, children, sons .....
      And not Russian volunteers and all those who are with you heart and soul ....... For some reason, out of 2 regions of the Ukrainian SSR, 2 thousand people are possible in defense - well, let there be 5 thousand Heroes .....
      And where are the other local men ...

      Engaged in girls, for this they have the power .....
      And on the bandera ..... ???
      When they, and their wives and children will be put to the wall, who will help them ... ???
    8. Sinara70
      Sinara70 16 May 2014 21: 21
      0
      That's exactly it .....
      For your happiness, well-being and life, you must FIGHT yourself!
      For life - wives, children, sons .....
      And not Russian volunteers and all those who are with you heart and soul ....... For some reason, out of 2 regions of the Ukrainian SSR, 2 thousand people are possible in defense - well, let there be 5 thousand Heroes .....
      And where are the other local men ...

      Engaged in girls, for this they have the power .....
      And on the bandera ..... ???
      When they, and their wives and children will be put to the wall, who will help them ... ???
    9. BLACK-SHARK-64
      BLACK-SHARK-64 21 May 2014 23: 10
      0
      great article on the topic .... I've been thinking about this for a long time ...
      and I don’t want our boys to lay down their heads for a Khokhlov’s house ....
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    1. unclevad
      unclevad 14 May 2014 09: 03
      +7
      So it turns out: integration with Europe is closer. The taste of shit has not changed, but the backsides are foreign. But we need to think and work with Russia ourselves. The story I read is characteristic:
      “A few days ago, a friend from Crimea was visiting us in Kiev. A bright energetic Russian, she recently voted, of course,“ like everyone else. ”But ...
      She urgently leaves Crimea for a long time to her adult daughter, to Europe, and in Kiev she applied for a visa. The comment about the reason for such a strange change in priorities amused everyone: "Oh, they are on .... I'm not a fish in the aquarium to wait for them to feed"".
      That's it.
      Link: http://www.anekdot.ru/an/an1405/o140511;100.html
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 14 May 2014 16: 14
        0
        Link: http://www.anekdot.ru/an/an1405/o140511;100.html

        referring to joke.ru is very respectable.
    2. Mite27
      Mite27 14 May 2014 09: 28
      +6
      In Russia, exactly the same essence, Chechnya expressively showed it.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 16 May 2014 18: 24
        0
        but don’t tell me what Chechnya has shown, all the more expressively. Did the Americans or Germans fight for Russia there? First you think what you write.
  3. zzzxzzz
    zzzxzzz 14 May 2014 08: 38
    +3
    Some kind of pesimistic mood in the author.
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 14 May 2014 09: 52
      +2
      So share your optimism.
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 14 May 2014 10: 00
        +8
        Quote: colonel
        So share your optimism
        The beginning of winter will wait
        Early winter. Den. In the den, the teddy bear pestering the bear bear:
        - Dad, and dad, well, show the puppet theater!
        - Yes, I already showed you twice, sleep already!
        - Well, show me!
        The bear takes two human skulls - Turchinov and Yatsenyuk, puts them on their paws and speaks of the skull:
        - Sanya, but are there any bears?
        - Oh, Arsenchik, where are the bears coming from!
    2. loroleg74
      loroleg74 14 May 2014 10: 30
      +4
      the author, sort of like a realist. and a realist is a well-informed pessimist!
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        14 May 2014 11: 37
        +4
        Quote: zzzxzzz
        Some kind of pesimistic mood in the author.


        I just communicate every night with people in Ukraine. Kramatorsk, Zaporozhye, Slavyansk, Odessa, Khartsyzsk ...

        And optimism is not added for some reason.
        1. HAM
          HAM 14 May 2014 12: 52
          +4
          I also listen to them, I am simply amazed at some shots: bbc, doiche welle - in one bottle. I once said that when a roasted cock pecks, then at least you will understand something ...- No, we don’t! there was an answer ..
          1. Walking
            Walking 14 May 2014 15: 06
            +9
            Where are those who call for the immediate introduction of the Russian army to protect someone? But is it necessary to protect such people who themselves cannot protect themselves, who, after the deployment of troops, the occupiers will speak to the defenders and that Russia is to blame for everything?
            It seems to me that Putin understands this and does not want to pay the lives of Russian soldiers for those who themselves do not understand what they need.
        2. The centurion
          The centurion 14 May 2014 17: 26
          +4
          Quote: Banshee
          And optimism is not added for some reason.

          The transition of the Dnieper Cossacks in 1654 under the rule of the Moscow Tsar took place, both on the one hand and on the other, under the influence of a combination of circumstances and external reasons. The Cossacks, fleeing from their final defeat by Poland, sought protection under the rule of the Moscow Tsar or the Turkish Sultan. And Moscow accepted them to keep them from coming under Turkish rule. On the part of the Moscow Tsar, the Cossacks were confirmed by their liberties, but the requirements were presented as to a service army. And the Cossack foreman did not at all want to give up her privileges in managing the army and the subject territories. This duality of the gentry consciousness of the Ukrainian elite was characteristic from the very beginning of the annexation of Little Russia to Great Russia, it was not eliminated in the future, it has not been eliminated to this day. It is the basis of the Russian-Ukrainian mistrust and misunderstanding, characteristic for many centuries and becoming the basis for numerous betrayals and desertions of the Ukrainian gentry, rebellions and manifestations of separatism and collaboration. These bad habits, like an infection, spread over time from the Ukrainian gentry to the wider masses. The subsequent history of a three-century cohabitation of two peoples that did not become truly fraternal, like the history of the twentieth century, gave a number of examples of this situation. In 1918 and 1941, Ukraine almost uncomplainingly accepted the German occupation. The occupation of 1918 and the civil war dashingly walked across Ukraine. Hetmanism, Gaidamatchina, Petliurism, Makhnovism ... Many works have been written about this and dozens of films have been shot, including incredibly popular ones. Remember "Wedding in Malinovka", "Red Devils" and you will vividly imagine ... the future of Ukraine. And in 1941, only after some time, the "charms" of the German occupation prompted a part of the Ukrainians to start fighting the invaders, but the number of collaborators was also very large. Thus, of the 2 million Soviet people who, to one degree or another, collaborated with the Nazis during the war, more than half were citizens of the Ukrainian SSR.
          1. The centurion
            The centurion 14 May 2014 17: 29
            +6
            [quote = centurion] [quote = Banshee] And for some reason, optimism is not added. [/ quote]
            Along with the collaboration, the size of the desertion from the Red Army was terrifying. Here is an example characterizing the scale of this phenomenon in Ukraine. For 1946, there was a bad harvest forecast, and there were not enough workers. At the insistence of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine (then the Communist Party of Ukraine was headed by NS Khrushchev), by May 1, 1946, an amnesty was announced to deserters. These turned out to be about 1 million people, most of whom were also citizens of the Ukrainian SSR. Only "pure" deserters who had not committed anything more serious were subject to amnesty. It should be borne in mind that a significant part of deserters, encircled people and fugitives from the front of 1941, under the influence of the occupation regime, came to their senses during the war, washed away their shame with deeds and blood, according to the procedures adopted then, they were officially "cleared of suspicion and punishment" , was not subjected to repression and was never listed as a deserter. Otherwise, the scale of the phenomenon would be even more frightening. Ukraine was a striped patchwork. Along with the regions that had an active and heroic resistance movement comparable to the Belarusian, there were regions in which the size of the collaboration was quite comparable to the Baltic. Affected by the fact that for many centuries the deserted Wild Field was voluntarily and forcibly populated by Polish masters of a diverse and multi-tribal population from all borders of the Commonwealth. The same thing was continued by the Russian landowners, settling their deserted estates in Novorossia, received from the authorities for service, with a heterogeneous and diverse population from the Russian and non-Russian provinces of the immense empire. This multiethnic borscht in the Ukrainian cauldron was never fully cooked, moreover, even the Russian component turned out to be heavily infected by the western region. Ideas of independence, independence, hostility to the Muscovites (read the Russian people) constantly agitated the popular consciousness of many Ukrainian citizens under any government. As soon as Gorbachev shook the USSR, Ukrainian separatists and collaborators of all stripes immediately and fervently picked up his destructive ideas and backed them up with massive popular sympathy and support. It is no coincidence that the President of Ukraine Kravchuk, who arrived in Belovezhie in 1991, said at the Minsk airport that Ukraine would not sign a new union treaty in any form. And he had a strong legitimate basis for this - the decision of the all-Ukrainian referendum on the independence (independence) of Ukraine.
            Why would you take on optimism? A pessimist is known to be a well-informed optimist.
          2. Iskander Khan
            Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 23
            +2
            Just do not need to ascribe the South-East to the Ukrainian SSR so categorically. We were glued to Ukraine by the very Soviet power, and not by local elites. We began to realize ourselves as Ukraine only in the 2000s. The term is not long. In the chronic stage did not outgrow.
  4. zzzxzzz
    zzzxzzz 14 May 2014 08: 41
    +6
    Quote: Tatarus
    removed mod Apollon.

    is not ........deleted essence and mentality. One born in the year 91, and another 23 years old
  5. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger 14 May 2014 08: 41
    +16
    Oh, it’s a traditional hackiness ...
    By naivety, I also thought that there was war, in the whole country. But no, everything is as it was, as the author describes.
    Let our daredevils fight, and there the Russians will come. But we need to work and crack the vodka with fat in the evenings.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 May 2014 09: 33
      +18
      Quote: JoylyRoger
      By naivety, I also thought that there was war, in the whole country.

      Which is all over the country! The author is absolutely right! But even if there, where they shoot and the war really goes on, everyone expects someone to do it for them !!!!
      Now imagine that in other cities! Here from Dnipro they write to me - "yes, there are checkpoints at the exit from the city, but inside the city NOTHING has changed! The main trend in the city ...
      1. There are few real "supporters" of the junta. I'm talking about adherents.
      2. There are also few real opponents.
      3. Full of deceived dreamers who have not been pecked by a roasted cock in the ass. They are still singing mantras from UkrTV, about the fact that "everything will be fine", that soon .... loot will fall on Ukraine in bags, including in their pockets. They stupidly see nothing except promises of some loans and investments.
      In general, the whole box that the media stuffs into them.
      4. There is also a category that REALLY thinks that "the people have seen the light and learned how much the previous authorities fought," and therefore jumped on the Maidan. And now the honest ones have come and again "everything will be fine", only now "the separatists interfere with their happiness."
      This situation is described by a person who really acts ... in the right direction .. wink And so it is in almost all other cities, where, in theory, educated people, and then what happens in the villages? Correctly! NOTHING!!! So try to budge ....
      1. vlum
        vlum 14 May 2014 10: 51
        +3
        You need to hit the debility towers - in a week without a TV, something will begin to clear up in the brains.
        1. Iskander Khan
          Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 32
          +1
          And here I agree 100%.
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      3. f.lourens
        f.lourens 14 May 2014 13: 16
        +11
        Good day, dear forum users, my name is Nastya and Dmitry’s sister will write for him. The guys got to me right now, they are in the Zaporizhzhya region and in the Donetsk region. Dmitry phoned and said that he was waiting for materials from the trade unions’s house and would do a chemical analysis on the subject of toxic substances . The report will be published shortly.
      4. svp67
        svp67 14 May 2014 13: 38
        +8
        hi
        I have always "liked" the approach of the revolutionaries, here we are so passionate, and the people are a dark mass ... So I will repeat the phrase of one of the same revolutionary era - "being determines consciousness." If in the West of Ukraine there are a lot of unemployed people, here is the increased "passionarity", they clearly understand that otherwise they are "complete ... happiness", then in the East, until the enterprises stop working, this surge of "passionarity" will not occur, according to to this I am "FOR" shutting off the "gas pipe", no matter how it sounds "anti-people", but otherwise now it is simply NOT possible. With our "free" gas, we are extending the life of the "anti-Russian junta" and this should have been done back in April.
        1. vlum
          vlum 14 May 2014 14: 02
          +3
          But I don’t understand the moment in the connection of gas supplies through the pipe with the anti-government sentiments of the people of the SE regions. Honestly, pay attention to how the structure of consumers of this entire gas is passed over in silence. I just can’t believe that the natural gas consumption by individuals is so high.

          Who is sitting on this gas pipe, and why is it needed at all?

          For example, in Germany, the main consumer of gas is not housing and communal services, but the chemical concerns BASF and AGFA - they were the most important private investors in the Nord Stream from the German side. But how often do they recall this?

          I strongly suspect that the Ukrainians have a similar story, but in public everyone is modestly silent about this.
          1. svp67
            svp67 14 May 2014 14: 39
            +4
            Quote: vlum
            But I don’t understand the moment in the connection of gas supplies through the pipe with the anti-government sentiments of the people of the SE regions.
            Even in Soviet times, and precisely because of supplies to the West, almost the entire industry of the Ukrainian SSR, and this is metallurgy, energy, is tied to GAZ. There will be no gas - these enterprises will RISE ...
            1. vlum
              vlum 14 May 2014 16: 29
              +2
              So what am I talking about? Enterprises and profits from their activities belong to OLIGARCHS. The salary of the population is paid small or not even paid at all. And why are all these supplies needed?
      5. Alekseev
        Alekseev 14 May 2014 18: 51
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        So try to budge ....

        We are discussing here, in all clever thoughts "stole" before us. yes
        Comrade IN AND. Ulyanov (Lenin), a great specialist on coups and revolutions, said something about the revolutionary situation.
        There, it seems, the tops (junta) cannot be controlled in the old way ... What, perhaps, already exists: they shoot the banderlog and those who joined them, the collapse in finances and economics is on the nose, but so that the lower classes could not live in the old way, so far, in my opinion, not quite so. And not everywhere. Although Yanukovych said in Rostov that he had lost patience with the people, he was tired yes , but ...
        Maybe, of course, it's a matter of time? Realize that an unafraid Banderlog has no right to walk not only in Crimea and Donetsk, but also in other cities and towns, that there will be nothing good from the fascists and their accomplices, that no one will feed for free, you need to equip your country, and not try to "come under the Polish king or the Tours Saltan".
    2. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 29
      +2
      Oh and cracked. I should have already had an advance. Money ends in two days. What would you do? Would you leave your wife and daughter to work in the neighborhood, and he would go to war? Everyone is so bold and daring when they shoot in the neighborhood. Consider this cowardice and conformism, but I’m not only afraid that they will kill me, but that my family, even in an excellent situation, will not know how much time without a breadwinner. Help my family financially, and tomorrow I will join the militia just to prove that I care.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 16 May 2014 18: 45
        0
        Personally, I’m ready even now, but my path to Ukraine is closed to me - the juntas blocked the border with Russia, they do not let any of the men go.
  6. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 May 2014 08: 42
    +28
    The theme is well defined ... the desire of the majority of the population - that it itself, preferably without our participation, resolve ...
    People with an active lifestyle are simply few ...
    Another argument for ... that Russia has so far nothing to do in this mess
    1. Naum
      Naum 14 May 2014 08: 56
      +13
      The key word is for now. The masses on SE have not yet swayed. The situation must mature. As long as there is work and salary, as long as there is enough hryvnia for vodka with bacon, everything will remain so. But this is not for long. Inertia will last for another month, maximum - two. And then there will be a humanitarian catastrophe with food riots and "save, Russia!" Then we'll start saving.
      And, of course, leaders are needed. Like yeast for dough. There will be no sense without them.
      1. SMV
        SMV 14 May 2014 11: 16
        +3
        Yes, how much you can swing! In general, in my opinion, they don't care where: Russia ... Europe ... "wedding in a robin" that's all Ukrainians ...
        1. Boralex63
          Boralex63 14 May 2014 11: 41
          +4
          He invited the godfather to his farm to visit. He arrived in the evening, walking down the street - there is no one, silence. He sees: in each wicker fence a round hole was neatly done, and in it the ass was sticking out. He came closer - the bony ass, hairy, in short, male. The visitor godfather was even more surprised.
          He approaches the hut Kuma - there, too, ass sticks out. He opens the gate and sees: the godfather is bent over, he lowered his socks.
          - Why are you shy, godfather?
          - Quiet! At the farm pidor having appeared. On live bait ...
          You see, this is not treated! Ukrainians ... what a word ... ho hly they! Always ho trash have been and will be them!
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 14 May 2014 11: 29
      +3
      "Until the first frost" (C)
    3. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 14 May 2014 16: 17
      +4
      The biggest problem is that not only in Ukraine they think so. Unfortunately, God forbid what happens in Russia, it will be the same - a huge mass of inert people, even larger territories, and that one of the most dangerous is migrants (both legal and not).

      I communicate a lot with different people - well-fed life has diluted my brain 8 out of 10 for sure. It is on thematic forums that people show their position, but this is 200 thousand people, okay, 300 000 ... And the rest? Just like in the article - we work for oligarchs, thieves and bandos. Everything is the same, it's just that Russia has a better "roof" than in Ukraine - they themselves want to rule, otherwise ...

      So when talking about passivity, do not forget to not only consider yourself capable of protecting everything and everyone, but still remember that in order to climb a person with a weapon you need a clear understanding - either you or you - 100% of the way back will be. Indeed, even in a banal brawl with a gopot, the majority prefers not to even get involved in scuffles, but then - they don’t get fired from work, who does not explain who and how to feed the children. What to do - in fact, no one knows, so they go to work.

      I have another question - that a man didn’t go to work, went for embrasures, and where are the children, wives? Who organizes the delivery of food, what kind of cones to buy it, who will distribute?

      IN AND. By the way, Lenin did not organize the revolution in fact, the Bolsheviks picked it up, and besides, in those days the majority of people went to work, there wasn’t such a thing - hop and all with weapons on the barricades.
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  7. svskor80
    svskor80 14 May 2014 08: 42
    +17
    By the way, the USSR collapsed for exactly the same reason, since the bulk of the population is a "swamp" (in the good sense of the word) that just wants to live and work. There must be a unifying idea and leaders capable of organizing the masses to real achievements. People should not be blamed.
    1. JoylyRoger
      JoylyRoger 14 May 2014 08: 46
      +9
      But where is it, the war is in their house. How many more victims do they need in order to understand this. I thought Odessa and Mariupol would be enough, but I do not want to be mistaken
    2. Dejavu
      Dejavu 14 May 2014 12: 48
      +3
      A unifying idea and leaders should emerge capable of organizing the masses for real achievements.


      Yeah, or a new Hitler should appear, which will begin to hang the unwanted in the squares. Until then, the pants will sit out. Although they are already being killed, not only in the squares, but in the houses of the trade unions. Apparently, sucker is still fate.
  8. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 14 May 2014 08: 50
    +5
    This is all trouble! That the people do not see how they want him this time, in the guise of war, to rob particular foreign friends, and this is already happening! Enraged by the memory - how the political officer of the regiment in Crimea was shouting America with us! And to whom has America brought happiness to its entire history?
  9. cybernetick
    cybernetick 14 May 2014 08: 50
    +1
    Putin is silent and Europe held her breath and around silence and ...
    1. SMV
      SMV 14 May 2014 11: 18
      +1
      But Putin is silent ...

      That's right, that is silent !!!
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 14 May 2014 11: 27
      0
      Bunch. In silence.
  10. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 14 May 2014 08: 53
    +16
    But to the point. According to many, Russia should protect them. That is, let the Russians die, and if something goes wrong there is someone to blame. The same pravoseki all went to the Maidan and smashed everything and everyone. No, I do not justify them, but even despise. For their murders are not guilty. But the innocent must also be able to stand up for themselves. And until this happens, they will be spread rot by the Kolomoytsevs, Tyagniboks, etc.
    1. JoylyRoger
      JoylyRoger 14 May 2014 09: 18
      +6
      Pravoseki and other maydanutyh, with all the depth of universal hatred for them, can not take away the main thing - their passion. Which, alas, is lacking in many
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 16 May 2014 18: 38
        0
        what passionarity is there? Yes, do you even understand what they are paid, the same are the Kolomians. If they didn’t pay, they would run away in a week. Passionarity, self-interest is not more.
    2. aleks700
      aleks700 14 May 2014 11: 38
      +1
      Not much wrong. The situation painfully recalls Germany from the time of Hitler. Until the Russians come and release, they will support the fascists. And you have to come. Sooner or later. Better before.
  11. fregina1
    fregina1 14 May 2014 08: 54
    0
    Quote: cybernetick
    Putin is silent and Europe held her breath and around silence and ...

    .... Bandera with braids along the roads are .... not alive and silence
  12. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 14 May 2014 08: 54
    +5
    Quote: svskor80
    A unifying idea and leaders should emerge capable of organizing the masses for real achievements.

    That's why Putin is silent .. (he will have to answer for our killed soldiers)
  13. parus2nik
    parus2nik 14 May 2014 08: 54
    +16
    The picture is ugly, to be honest.
    Yes .. not beautiful ... After the events in Odessa, we will not forget, we will not forgive .. And they go and work .. Railroad workers deliver troops .. otherwise we will lose work .. but Odessa will not be forgiven .. In my naive opinion .. the general the strike, for a week, all over the Southeast .. and the war will end ... But it turns out that those living in Ukraine like the war .. and everything else .. And they look at Russia with hope .. kind gentleman, gentleman will come, judge. ..
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 14 May 2014 13: 40
      +3
      They already blame us for everything! On May 5, one wrote that Odessa is on our conscience, and our hands will be in blood if we do not send troops ... I then tried to draw attention to these statements, but was aminously amused.
      1. Remen
        Remen 16 May 2014 00: 53
        0
        And think about why you put cons.
        Maybe because they still do not understand ... after the Crimean events, peaceful people in the South-East of Ukraine believed in the promises that they would be helped ... and now they are at war with volunteers from Russia and other countries without the support that they promised ...
        And shame on you personally ... ordinary people, militiamen from the SE and volunteers from Russia with almost bare hands are against the military power of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and not covered by military support from Europe and the United States.
        I will personally refresh your memory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98XnwLMKI8Y
    2. HAM
      HAM 14 May 2014 14: 36
      +1
      You should have heard what kind of mats they curse the "master", gas for free, and even deal with those who don't like it. That's the logic ..
  14. Eugene
    Eugene 14 May 2014 08: 57
    +5
    It was hard to read ....
  15. Iniipet
    Iniipet 14 May 2014 08: 58
    +3
    Quote: svskor80
    By the way, the USSR collapsed for exactly the same reason, since the bulk of the population is a "swamp" (in the good sense of the word) that just wants to live and work. There must be a unifying idea and leaders capable of organizing the masses to real achievements. People should not be blamed.


    I agree. Himself such unfortunately.
  16. gandalf
    gandalf 14 May 2014 09: 03
    +28
    I repeat ... but relevant here ...
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 14 May 2014 11: 44
      +4
      First they came for the Jews. I was silent - I was not a Jew.
      Then they came for the communists. I was silent - I was not a communist.
      Then they came for union workers. I was silent - I was not a union worker.
      Then they came for me. But there was no one left who could help me.
      Here you can say differently on the topic - first they came to Yugoslavia ..., first they came to Libya, Syria, first, first, first ... Now they came to Ukraine, they came to the ancient Russian land. So, what is Russia ?! Of course, you can now blame the peasants for not raising Bandera's forces, but isn't this our business ?! Russia fought for the freedom of the Bulgarians under Alexander II, we, not recognizing the Kiev impostors, having a legitimate president from Ukraine, having facts of flagrant atrocities and lawlessness do not interfere, but are already killing Russians. That is the question for me, because it is impossible to "pacify" the world aggressor, the impudent USA, to keep silent and sit it out, and tomorrow "they" will come for us.
      1. Roman Skomorokhov
        14 May 2014 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: Per se.
        Russia for the freedom of the Bulgarians fought under Alexander II


        Yes, but with the Turks. But here it’s different.

        Quote: Per se.
        That is the question for me, because it is impossible to "pacify" the world aggressor, the impudent USA, to keep silent and sit it out, and tomorrow "they" will come for us.


        You're right. Will not work. However, I don’t think what will happen, that they will come. But if they come, I hope that they will not sit back at home.
        Although, again, the question is who will have to shoot.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 14 May 2014 12: 47
          +2
          Quote: Banshee
          Yes, but with the Turks. But here it’s different.
          No, Roman, nothing else. There were moods in society that could not be ignored, there was a fraternal Slavic people under the yoke of Turchina, and finally, there were our national interests. The West was then also on the side of Turkey, as it is now on the side of the West. Bandera's supporters are sponsored, armed, trained and organized, they have sent American bastards from "Blackwater", to Kiev, as in their "cf @ ncho", colony, emissaries from the USA, CIA ride, and they demand from us troops away from our territory withdraw and blame for the fact that we did not pacify the South-East! In Crimea, self-proclaimed water was cut off along the canal, but gas is demanded from us! We must end with them, liberate Kiev, otherwise this crap will not end. American kozly climbed into someone else's garden, they need to clearly identify this.
          1. SLX
            SLX 14 May 2014 12: 56
            +1
            Quote: Per se
            there was a fraternal Slavic people under the yoke of the Turchins, and finally, there were our national interests.


            But do not want to remember which side the brotherly Bulgarian people fought on and what damage our national interests suffered from the actions of the brotherly Bulgarian people?
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 14 May 2014 13: 29
              +2
              Quote: SLX
              And you don’t want to remember which side the fraternal Bulgarian people fought on
              It was not the people who fought, and the Bulgarian tsar actually paid with his life for trying to withdraw Bulgaria from the war, breaking the alliance with Hitler. Ukraine is not brotherly, but one people with us (Bandera mutants, this is Polish GMO, does not count). Ukraine is a Russian land, Russia is primordial, this is the main thing. The damage is more from our short-sightedness, unfinished business, agents of Western influence that goats and kids in Russia, their fools and traitors. In the Russian-Turkish war, the main goal was not achieved, Constantinople was not taken, the Anglo-French "NATO" was categorically opposed, threatening a new Crimean war. Nevertheless, the Turks were pushed aside, Russia also had its interests, the Black Sea Fleet began to revive, the authority of Russia, its influence in the Balkans and Europe as a whole, strengthened.
              1. SLX
                SLX 14 May 2014 13: 49
                +3
                Quote: Per se
                It’s not the people who fought,


                Aha, aha! Only Hitler, Goebels, Goering and Himmler fought. Well, a little more Mueller. And almost brotherly German people were waiting for the arrival of the Red Army as manna from heaven.

                You leave these tales for political instructors. And it’s somehow more convenient for me to think in settlement battalions and settlement divisions. Which were replenished not only by Hitlers. And even non-hostile divisions are also taken into account if the state is at war and even close to it.

                And about the kindness of the German people, you ask those who forced their backs on non-fighting burghers on their fields.

                Quote: Per se
                Ukraine is Russian land, the original Russia, this is the main thing.


                Nothing that is international law, which believes that Ukraine is an independent state with all the consequences? Or is your proletarian consciousness used to living according to concepts called proletarian self-consciousness, revolutionary expediency, proletarian fraternity and other garbage invented by those who did not want to work?

                Quote: Per se
                The damage is greater from our shortsightedness, unfinished business, agents of Western influence, that the goats and kids of Russia, their fools and traitors.


                If Russia had not fought for the interests of the fraternal peoples (who then always turned to it (!) As soon as the need for Russia fell away) and would not free them from the next yoke, which for some reason they regularly fell into, now Russia was would be ahead of the rest.

                But history teaches the cheers-patriots nothing - they both continued to vote about the Pan-Slavs.
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 14 May 2014 16: 21
                +2
                Quote: Per se.
                Ukraine is Russian land, the original Russia, this is the main thing.

                The original Russia is the Upper Volga region, and Ukraine - the outskirts was and will be.
                1. Basarev
                  Basarev 16 May 2014 19: 13
                  0
                  And in fact - Novgorod Russia is rather significantly more ancient state. I quickly remember that Askold and Deer, the last of the broken Norman gang, declared themselves the princes of Kiev.
  17. be0560
    be0560 14 May 2014 09: 04
    +10
    I completely agree with the author. The mentality of most Ukrainians is my hut from the edge. Thanks to this position, fighters of the right sector and other evil spirits were born. How many jerks of arms are these now? From 18 and older? Conclusion? If you carefully read the memoirs of famous partisan commanders - Kovpak, Vershigory, Fedorov, you can draw an interesting conclusion. The authors themselves are pointing the reader at it. Most partisans did not come to units to fight for their homeland, but to avenge. Mostly for the death of their near and dear ones. Whom this did not concern, normally lived in the occupation. History repeats itself. Only on a smaller scale.
    1. Goodmen
      Goodmen 14 May 2014 10: 25
      +1
      Quote: be0560
      The mentality of most Ukrainians is my hut from the edge. Thanks to this position, fighters of the right sector and other evil spirits were born.


      The evil spirits intensified thanks to anti-Russian propaganda disguised as mass Ukrainization. The West, through its henchmen in power, grew this evil spirits for 23 years.
  18. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 14 May 2014 09: 06
    0
    And what is there to understand, there is no weapon, everything that was seized from the security forces is immediately distributed to the militias. There are a lot of people who want to defend the Homeland, but you won’t go with a stick against machine guns and armored personnel carriers. If Russia had helped even with the armament of the army of the East, then the punitive would have been finished in a week. Why doesn’t even such help happen, the question is for those who claim a secret plan.
    1. SLX
      SLX 14 May 2014 09: 45
      +7
      Quote: vladsolo56
      And what is there to understand, there is no weapon, everything that was seized from the security forces is immediately distributed to the militias.


      6 BMD and 1 Nona, equipped with b / c and fuel, in the same Slavyansk - is this not a weapon? Was there no weapon in the Slavic ATS too? In the city, hundreds of trunks in the hands of the population, including dozens of rifled barrels, and all of them are at the very least provided with ammunition for several days of shootings. Yes, this alone is more than enough to start active actions to seize the nearby storage bases and / or departmental warehouses of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It would be a desire!

      Quote: vladsolo56
      There are a lot of people who want to defend the Homeland, but you won’t go with a stick against machine guns and armored personnel carriers.


      Aha. There may be many who want to get up. And how many of them wish to go into battle?

      Quote: vladsolo56
      If Russia had helped even with the armament of the army of the East, then the punitive would have been finished in a week.


      This is you in the clubs of housewives tell. Punishers can only be done away with if you are not afraid to let them bleed and be ready to shed your own, if so, fate will fall out. And no other way! Therefore, Russia has no one to give weapons to - it is not a toy for children. Grow up - you can start to think.

      Quote: vladsolo56
      Why doesn’t even such help happen, the question is for those who claim a secret plan.


      Even? Or maybe chew on them so that it escapes better into the esophagus? To deliver weapons to self-proclaimed formations, which for many weeks have been unable to restore army order even among their militia, do not have plans, are not able to organize even active defense with their BMD, etc.? Yes, under such orders, a considerable part of the delivered weapons will be sold, and from the remaining sense there will be as much as now.

      But Russia is again to blame for everything! She didn’t come and didn’t attack the law-abductors who offended the Russian-speaking population.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 14 May 2014 11: 51
        0
        And you probably consider yourself the smartest, right at all that you have a refutation, and all that you know, is it interesting that you have a line of communication from the Kremlin?
        1. SLX
          SLX 14 May 2014 13: 01
          +2
          Quote: vladsolo56
          And you probably consider yourself the smartest, right at all that you have a refutation, and all that you know, is it interesting that you have a line of communication from the Kremlin?


          I have enough of my mind, my knowledge of military affairs and the information gathered in open sources to half a kick to refute your illiterate speculation about the causes and consequences.

          And you, judging by what has been written, all that remains is to shout "who are you?"
      2. AndreyS
        AndreyS 14 May 2014 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: SLX
        To deliver weapons to self-proclaimed formations, which for many weeks have been unable to restore army order even among their militia, do not have plans, are not able to organize even active defense with their BMD, etc.?

        Well, in this case, I disagree with you! If you carefully watch TV and filter the incoming information, you should understand what is happening there (and if you have combat experience, then almost everything is clear). The militias have the most severe discipline (in Lugansk in the SBU they seized more than 1000 barrels, but they were not handed out !!!!, so that no one would fall into the hands), drinking is prohibited. And they do not conduct active hostilities for one simple reason that the troops of the "maydanutyh" will start firing in all directions, as a result a lot of civilians will die. (as the militias do not want to take upon themselves the death of a peaceful people).
        1. REDBLUE
          REDBLUE 14 May 2014 13: 03
          +2
          If they don’t take up arms and start bleeding banderlogs, then banderlogs are still engaged in the shooting of civilians. Therefore, you have to take it. I mean weapons. But better before. There will be less casualties among the civilian population. Because banderlogs are afraid of power.
        2. SLX
          SLX 14 May 2014 13: 24
          +2
          Quote: AndreyS
          Well, in this case, I do not agree with you!


          It is your right.

          Quote: AndreyS
          If you carefully watch TV and filter the incoming information, you should understand what is happening there (and if you have combat experience, then almost everything is clear).


          Aha. It is about what is happening there that I clearly wrote.

          Quote: AndreyS
          Militias have the most severe discipline


          Then you have strange ideas about discipline.

          (in Lugansk in the SBU seized more than 1000 trunks but they weren’t handed out !!!! that would not fall into anyone’s hands),


          Alas, this does not mean discipline, but its absence. And that there are no fighters who can be trusted with military weapons. And that there are no commanders who know what to do and how to do it.

          I also have to note that at the same time, Comradesch was crying about the absence of weapons and about disgusting Russia, which does not help with weapons. And 1000 barrels are, with pistols in mind, several light mouths, and, most likely, with machine guns.

          drinking is prohibited.


          Well, and stupid. 100 drug grams before rest relieve at least partially stress, which the militias who do not have the appropriate psychological stability are much more than trained fighters. Therefore, either the commanders do not understand this, or (which is much more likely) the commanders are afraid that they will start and do not stop, because discipline is lame.

          And they do not conduct active hostilities for one simple reason that the troops of the "maydanutyh" will start firing in all directions, as a result a lot of civilians will die.


          No matter how cruel, but not only do not pay attention to losses among civilians with serious actions, but they are also wrapped in their own favor. For sooner or later you will have to choose a civil war, so it’s better to choose the right side sooner and later. This is still the Soviet partisans in the Second World War proved.

          By the way, when the population is mobilized in a civil war, the desire of the civilian population is not particularly asked. Only here to mobilize this population from the militia commanders the gut is thin - for this you need to have at least a scanty ideology to begin with.

          And if it is necessary to minimize losses among civilians, that is, ambush tactics, remote destruction tactics, raid tactics, and many other things invented and tested in practice. And all this with the removal of b / d far beyond the city. And to sit and wait at the checkpoints is to hide behind civilians.

          Quote: AndreyS
          (as it does not want the militias to take on the death of a peaceful people).


          But do you want to kill conscripts and drafted fat-bellied reservists? Or should the Russian army do this?
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 14 May 2014 13: 46
            +1
            Quote: SLX
            I also have to note that at the same time, Comradesch was crying about the absence of weapons and about disgusting Russia, which does not help with weapons. And 1000 barrels are, with pistols in mind, several light mouths, and, most likely, with machine guns.

            Yeah, and with a pistol on the tank; catch up with it, shove it into the cannon barrel ... (well, what can you shove it in) and shout: "Surrender, the enemy, or I'll piss!"
            1. SLX
              SLX 14 May 2014 13: 54
              0
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Yeah, and with a pistol on the tank; catch up with it, shove it into the cannon barrel ... (well, what can you shove it in) and shout: "Surrender, the enemy, or I'll piss!"


              Those. it’s only there is no one to give pistols to, and if you arrange the delivery of anti-tank systems, then straight rows and friendly columns of those who want will immediately appear? Oh well...
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 14 May 2014 16: 30
                +4
                Those. it’s only there is no one to give pistols to, and if you arrange the delivery of anti-tank systems, then straight rows and friendly columns of those who want will immediately appear? Oh well...


                If you are such a cool warrior, then tell me how many tons of supplies and what types are needed to ensure the daily activities of the 5k people of the Donetsk army indicated repeatedly? How much fuel is consumed by BMD and Nona, and how many kilometers will they travel without s / h, especially considering the state of dill equipment? Yes, the simplest, how many fights will their ammunition last?
                Found answers? Now add here the need for offensive operations and the movement of supplies for troops advancing and retreating in different directions. And do not forget that cartridges are needed and heaps of types from Kalash to Berdanks, various types of gasoline, tires for wheeled vehicles and the same vehicles that deliver this supply. Still not scared?
                Then take and turn a 5k soldier into a 70k, as is suggested here with a corresponding increase in the number of equipment and supplies.
                I'm not saying that you can’t fight there. I am talking about the need to organize an army. It was good for the Bolsheviks, who had warehouses for armaments and supplies for the tsarist army, albeit ruined, but railroads and convoys. They took and created the Red Army. And to create an army, the Donetsk people do not even have to start with the distribution of rifles, but with the creation of warehouses, auto battalions, supply chains, and the organization of communications. And only then print out the captured gunshot and carry out mobilization. It is clear that all this is not done in one day. And all this time it is necessary to protect what is being created from pravosekov and other juntas. And these 5k militias and dozens of our specialists are just doing this.
                1. SLX
                  SLX 14 May 2014 19: 09
                  0
                  Quote: alicante11
                  If you are such a cool warrior, then tell me


                  And you will not be an hour from pinjaks? And then only they, but housewives confuse the steepness with the basics of providing b / d and the basics of preparing the battle. And I, in fact, started from this very point.

                  Although, in fact, it is necessary to start from the other - from the political and economic program, and then from the issues of motivation, including economic character, crowded militias.

                  Quote: alicante11
                  how many tons of supplies and what types are necessary to ensure the daily operations of the 5k people of the Donetsk army indicated repeatedly?


                  Nothing that the amount of these tons directly depends on the content of actions? Therefore, for a start, do you give out at least some valuable directions for your rear?

                  Quote: alicante11
                  How much fuel is consumed by BMD and Nona, and how many kilometers will they travel without s / h, especially considering the state of dill equipment? Yes, the simplest, how many fights will their ammunition last?


                  They are already in the city and dashed off to the blocks a lot. So even this wondrous ukrotekhnika would have been enough to capture this little but nearby storage base by the little girl. And for the export of valuables stored on it, a convoy of trucks mobilized in the city would be enough. Etc.

                  Quote: alicante11
                  Found answers?


                  Aha. Many years ago. For example, in Afghanistan.

                  Quote: alicante11
                  Now add here ... Still not scared?


                  Nope. I wouldn’t even have a headache about logistical support - for this there is a headquarters and deputies. Here, picking up sensible people to your headquarters and to deputies is really a headache. So do not scare the frightened ravens: D

                  Quote: alicante11
                  Then take and turn a 5k soldier into a 70k, as is suggested here with a corresponding increase in the number of equipment and supplies.


                  You first create a full-fledged battalion. But combat ready. Or at least a company. And show that there is a team, that there is skill and desire. In the meantime, without this, 5k is blah blah blah and dreams of the great.

                  Quote: alicante11
                  I'm not saying that you can’t fight there. I am talking about the need to organize an army.


                  I say that the belly button is untied. Especially if this is done by people who have not yet created anything - and not fighting units, neither the people's militia to protect public order, nor the administrative apparatus ... And everyone can command the armies, especially from the kitchen.

                  By the way, the other day I saw on LifeNews a young moron who heads the Information Center of the SE front. If there is such a Main Propaganda, then I am not completely surprised at the complete impotence of the leadership above.
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 15 May 2014 12: 51
                    0
                    Although, in fact, it is necessary to start from the other - from the political and economic program, and then from the issues of motivation, including economic character, crowded militias.


                    Hmmm, "fat-bellied militias" is ice. Know the comment, as our ZOPA say.

                    Nothing that the amount of these tons directly depends on the content of actions? Therefore, for a start, do you give out at least some valuable directions for your rear?


                    Yes, I gave you all the "instructions". Start with what b / d are being maintained in fact, i.e. to defend bases, then smoothly move on to mobile warfare, and then it will be possible to think about mobilization.

                    They are already in the city and dashed off to the blocks a lot. So even this wondrous ukrotekhnika would have been enough to capture this little but nearby storage base by the little girl. And for the export of valuables stored on it, a convoy of trucks mobilized in the city would be enough. Etc.


                    No, bro, there are specialists there, not. And so they do not spend motor resources in vain. Especially given the lack of the possibility of its restoration, at least for now. And if you were led to BMD riding on a camera, so if you scroll this video a thousand times, then just 10 kilometers will run.

                    Aha. Many years ago. For example, in Afghanistan.


                    Nope. I wouldn’t even have a headache about logistical support - for this there is a headquarters and deputies. Here, picking up sensible people to your headquarters and to deputies is really a headache. So do not scare the frightened ravens: D


                    Here .....deleted by moderator Apollo Of course, why hurt the head about the rear, if it already exists. And if not yet? So I’m talking about that, first of all, it’s necessary to establish the rear, and then to fight.

                    You first create a full-fledged battalion. But combat ready. Or at least a company. And show that there is a team, that there is skill and desire. In the meantime, without this, 5k is blah blah blah and dreams of the great.


                    And this is what? It wasn't I who kicked myself in the chest with his heel, that I was a tough fighter. I just suggested that you look at the amount of necessary supplies in order to understand why more "fat-bellied militias" are not recruited in the SE.

                    I say that the belly button is untied. Especially if this is done by people who have not created anything so far - neither military units, nor the people's militia to protect public order, nor the administrative apparatus ... And everyone can command the armies, especially from the kitchen.


                    That's it, and because of the clave of the computer. This applies to you, my dear.
                    1. SLX
                      SLX 15 May 2014 19: 56
                      0
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Hmmm, "fat-bellied militias" is ice. Know the comment, as our ZOPA say.


                      Oh, are they all (or at least most) athletic? You probably only saw the "partisan" in pictures? But in reality, this is precisely the fat-bellied army and the militias are no different from him.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      Yes, I gave you all the "instructions".


                      And you still teach me how to pick it in your nose? You have NOT said ANYTHING. But then the plans are about 5k.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      Start with what b / d are in fact, i.e. to protect the bases, then smoothly move to a maneuver war, and then it will be possible to think about mobilization.


                      Gyyyyyy ... What are you talking about? You are not even able to set a task. In fact? By what fact? According to the one shown in ukroSMI or should we take the Russian media? But did the people's militia reveal all their trump cards? Etc.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      Here .....deleted by moderator Apollo Of course, why hurt the head about the rear, if it already exists. And if not yet? So I’m talking about that, first of all, it’s necessary to establish the rear, and then to fight.


                      It is you ......deleted by moderator Apollo Who does not understand that in the absence of a "correct" military rear, one cannot first build the rear - FIRST, the headquarters (which, by the way, still needs to be organized) determines the urgent and primary tasks, as well as the available resources, and only then UNDER THESE specific tasks and for specific resources are being built up by the rear services, which gradually, in the course of solving subsequent tasks, form the rear support system.

                      And you can set up your rear endlessly, thereby justifying your own inaction.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      ] And this is what? I didn’t beat myself with a heel in the chest, that I’m a cool warrior.


                      Poke your finger where I hit my heel in the chest and called myself a cool warrior? If you do not find it, then go to the ophthalmologist, if you see poorly, or to the psychiatrist if you are tormented by hallucinations.

                      Quote: alicante11
                      I just suggested that you look at the amount of necessary supplies in order to understand why more "fat-bellied militias" are not recruited in the SE.


                      I know the issues of logistical support, and in practice. And not in the size of a platoon or company.

                      And your logic is bad. You are fixated on tons of supplies and do not want to see that in the SE there are not even half a dozen combat-ready companies whose logistical support is not a problem at all. If only because such provision could be based on the already existing logistic support system of the local police and the hospital network, which has stationary beds.

                      [
                      Quote: alicante11
                      That's it, and because of the clave of the computer. This applies to you, my dear.


                      I, my dear, even because of the computer keyboard, I can tell you something that you never had a clue about.
                      1. alicante11
                        alicante11 16 May 2014 14: 32
                        -1
                        Oh, are they all (or at least most) athletic? You probably only saw the "partisan" in pictures? But in reality, this is precisely the fat-bellied army and the militias are no different from him.


                        And you, by chance, are not called Baron Munchausen :)?

                        And you still teach me how to pick it in your nose? You have NOT said ANYTHING. But then the plans are about 5k.


                        I had no plans at all. Why are you smoking something? Or how do you use it? I just suggested that you think about the amount of supply and that’s it. So what plans did you spill on the tree with your mind?

                        Gyyyyyy ... What are you talking about? You are not even able to set a task. In fact? By what fact? According to the one shown in ukroSMI or should we take the Russian media? But did the people's militia reveal all their trump cards? Etc.


                        M-yes, this is the finish. Stop using hard drugs. Then, perhaps, you will begin to understand the assigned tasks.

                        It is you ...... deleted by the moderator Apollo Who does not understand that in the absence of a "correct" military rear, one cannot first build the rear - FIRST the headquarters


                        Hmm, cool glitches ... You can just hand out the weapon and everything goes by itself, or you already remember about the headquarters ... Well, okay, the main thing is that the understanding has come, but to admit that they’ve scored understanding in the head with dubai absolutely not necessary.

                        Poke your finger where I hit my heel in the chest and called myself a cool warrior? If you do not find it, then go to the ophthalmologist, if you see poorly, or to the psychiatrist if you are tormented by hallucinations.


                        No problem.

                        Aha. Many years ago. For example, in Afghanistan.


                        Nope. I wouldn’t even have a headache about logistical support - for this there is a headquarters and deputies. Here, picking up sensible people to your headquarters and to deputies is really a headache.


                        And you will not be an hour from pinjaks?


                        I know the issues of logistical support, and in practice. And not in the size of a platoon or company.


                        Enough? Who should I go to the optometrist? However, judging by your incoherent posts, you are still going to a psychiatrist.

                        And your logic is bad. You are fixated on tons of supplies and do not want to see that in the SE there are not even half a dozen combat-ready companies whose logistical support is not a problem at all.


                        And who holds cities there? Of course, there are no problems with such stationary militia units. But you wanted to distribute weapons to the right and to the left. But then problems will appear.

                        I, my dear, even because of the computer keyboard, I can tell you something that you never had a clue about.


                        Baron, you ... don’t toss the bags.
                      2. kotvov
                        kotvov 16 May 2014 18: 59
                        -1
                        yes, calm down you, not your truth. SLX is completely right. he indicated the causes and consequences, but you did not provide anything except the subfloor.
                      3. alicante11
                        alicante11 17 May 2014 07: 44
                        0
                        You and I did not drink at brotherhood, if I remember correctly, to "poke".
                        And what causes and effects did he provide? There, in general, in posts except for show-offs, what a cool warrior he is, there is nothing.
                        I just suggested that he calculate the amount of supply that is necessary to provide two conditional groupings of militias in 5k and 70k people, about which the conversation was higher, that, they say, it is necessary to mobilize all polls, where this type entered, armed with a variety of mainly small arms and leading two different types of hostilities - focal resistance in places of deployment and mobile offensive actions. What is not clear here? Take it and figure out how much and what you need. Then, with a triumphant air, say that you are right or with a guilty air, admit that you are wrong. All. There was no show-off how he had a headquarters and supplies in Afghanistan, and that supplies (how much, it is not clear) can be transported in columns of mobilized trucks. That's the only thing for which people were born. Apart from the epithets like "pindjak" and "kitchen" and a fresh thought at the end, that first you need to create a headquarters. Well, it's called - "Captain Evidence".
  • Buran
    Buran 14 May 2014 13: 17
    +1
    One word, like a trump card, beats your Wishlist: Border!
  • andj61
    andj61 14 May 2014 14: 17
    0
    Quote: vladsolo56
    no weapons, everything that was seized from the security forces is immediately distributed to the militias.

    There were reports of seizures in Luhansk of a large number of weapons, which were never distributed to the population. In Slavyansk, weapons are really not enough. True, there are some incomprehensible shots with old weapons - PPS, PPSh, even "maxim". Is this from the warehouses near Soledar?
  • crow
    crow 14 May 2014 09: 11
    +3
    Ukrainians are like ostriches ..... they are waiting for Russia to do everything for them ... do it yourself .....
  • wiktoor
    wiktoor 14 May 2014 09: 14
    +6
    Quote: zzzxzzz
    Some kind of pesimistic mood in the author.

    As it is, I wrote it.
    It is difficult to reproach these people for something; for 20 years they forgot that they are Russians.
    But the fact that our enemies did not succeed in destroying Russia with the "hunchback" and "drunk" I cannot find an explanation.
    Apparently Russia in heaven has all the same a guardian angel.
    1. Orik
      Orik 14 May 2014 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: wiktoor
      It is difficult to reproach these people for something; for 20 years they forgot that they are Russians.

      Over 20 ?! No, for 90 years, the Soviet government was most afraid of "Great Russian chauvinism" and crushed any sprouts of Russian independence!
    2. Anper
      Anper 14 May 2014 10: 59
      +9
      Quote: wiktoor
      Apparently Russia has a guardian angel in heaven

      From Rivne.
      Mom (her kingdom of heaven), due to the fact that my grandfather was a military, traveled almost throughout the European part of the USSR. She always noted among the Russians several character traits that sharply distinguish them from Ukrainians, especially Western ones. I will try to bring from memory.
      “Here I’m looking - they are scaringly fighting, with belts with buckles. Blood, screams, mats. But no one stands aside. And no matter who is right or wrong, outsiders get involved in a fight to protect the one who, in their opinion, is weaker. And there will certainly be some desperate guy who will tear his shirt apart - but it is clear that he is not afraid of anything - neither death, nor the police. "
      Being a design engineer by profession, I often went on business trips to Volgograd at a tractor plant. "Well, their eyes are on their foreheads - ordinary workers speak, think and reason like engineers. And, in general, I want to say that they all think in Russia. God to everyone - if you take a hundred Russians, then on a national scale 90 people perceive the problem, and for a hundred Ukrainians - God forbid that there are a dozen of them. "
      It is clear that people are different everywhere, but this part of Russian self-consciousness is transmitted in Russia, in my opinion, with mother’s milk.
      I will constantly repeat the words of the prosecutor from "City of Zero"

      And about the mentality of Ukrainians, Kharchikov said well, back in the 90s.

      What are clever,
      Stubborn empty balabolki
      And shame, and conscience you have lost,
      And maybe they were not at all.

      Spokon centuries traitors you
      What is really there? - I do not exaggerate,
      You always need an incoming swineherd,
      And not their collective farms.

      What else to expect from the geeks,
      Your blood is mixed in an all-time fight.
      zhid, Tatars winged your mother
      Yes, plus Poles, Turks, Austrians.

      You entered Greek Catholicism,
      You have changed the Orthodox faith,
      And unreliable companions found
      Himself among the Chechen savages.

      How ... fickle were you:
      What drove off the cart, then instantly picked up.
      Mazepa Bandera grazed you:
      Where they lived, there, pardon, and cf ... whether.

      After Bogdan to the Russian Tsar
      You have changed at least three times:
      I swedish, then polish
      They served and kissed the glove.

      The eyes that are envious of you
      The hands are raking too painfully
      Especially since the drunk
      I gave you carte blanche in Belovezhskaya Pushcha!

      When, say, was the Khokhlak Crimea,
      When, hohl, was the Russian fleet yours?
      With UNA-UNSO you turned into smoke
      All that used to be common to us.

      When did you have independence?
      What has she given you today?
      Your tongues are on the 'ridnaya mov'
      I got a hook on a piece of paper.

      Bastards, suk, damn you,
      Oh, you insatiable womb!
      What they pulled out, they managed to devour everything,
      To steal everything that was bad.

      Look, the punishment for fornication
      They will come with bared teeth, Janissaries,
      Someone will be slaughtered and some will be crucified
      What do they give NATO your tare-bars.

      Stupid you, everyone will be 'checkmate'
      And a quick move to the afterlife
      When their rulers in the ass
      You do not kick properly.

      And stop the Black Sea muddy
      And obviously confuse the effect with the cause
      To give the fleet to you is the same as drowning,
      He is alive, while Russia is one with him!
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      2. kare
        kare 14 May 2014 19: 00
        +2
        Anna, great post hi
  • SLX
    SLX 14 May 2014 09: 15
    +5
    No further than yesterday, the same author wrote an article "The Russians don't abandon their own in the war?". The fact that Russia should become a reliable and support for all progressive humanity 7 million inhabitants of Donbass.
    Quote: Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee)
    Do we have the right to refuse?

    We do not have. Historically, genetically, but hell knows what. But the Russians in their war do not abandon. This we, it seems, already understood.


    And today, exactly one day later (!), The same author had a bunch of questions:

    Quote: Skomorokhov Roman (Banshee)
    For me, now a lot of questions. Does he need a referendum? Does independence need such people? No answers yet.


    I wonder what the author will write tomorrow?

    No less interesting is what yesterday’s commentators of his yesterday’s article will say about such a turn of the author’s thought. There the comments were full of beautiful cheers-patriotic slogans, often bordering on idiocy and even turning into it. What do the patriots say today?
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 14 May 2014 09: 49
      +3
      SLX
      I wonder what the author will write tomorrow?


      I see no contradictions. Russia will always help the Slavs, but this does not mean that the Slavs can sit back and “hope”. Otherwise, then it will turn out - and the constitution is occupying, and the leaders of the Kremlin, and the salary is still low.
      Must be - "As you sink, you will burst ©" hi
      1. SLX
        SLX 14 May 2014 10: 36
        +2
        Quote: GrBear
        I do not see the contradictions.


        But I see. The author in the first article substantiates need for Russia assistance to the 7 millionth population of Donbass. And the next day, he begins to think - whether this help is needed at all for both Russia and this population.

        It would be nice to start thinking about other questions: who exactly should help? how exactly to help? why? ... And, finally, the main question - what will Russia and its people have from this?

        Quote: GrBear
        Russia will always help the Slavs,


        History teaches that it teaches nothing. (with)

        Did the Bulgarians help a little, because they are Slavic brothers and need Russian help? Recall, against whom the Bulgarians fought in both world wars? This is only one of numerous examples.

        Therefore, it is not necessary to utter idiotic cheers-patriotic slogans in the XXI century: Russia should help the Russian-speaking, Slavs, brothers in the USSR, etc.

        Many Slavs in Ukraine support de facto Bandera ideas. Even more Slavs in Ukraine hate Russia and Russians and wish that Russia would leave them alone in the independent Ukrainian kingdom-state.

        With Russian-speakers, it’s even worse - press the right-wing cutter in the corner and the vast majority of them will in pure Russian scream about love for Russia and the Russians.

        And why only to the Slavs? Hundreds of nationalities live in Russia. What is the boom with this question?

        Therefore, the faster the population of Russia realizes that it’s high time to repair the toilets in their own country and not to sing hymns instead, the sooner the carpet paths will appear again on the stairs.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          14 May 2014 11: 50
          +6
          Quote: SLX
          And today, exactly one day later (!), The same author had a bunch of questions:


          Well, a bit more time has elapsed between writing and publishing. The fact that I have a bunch of questions, only testifies to the fact that I'm not stubborn on one thought. Yes, they do. Because I communicate with people, ask questions and get answers. And I can’t always understand if I perceive them correctly. Therefore, I ask.

          Quote: SLX
          I wonder what the author will write tomorrow?


          As usual - what I think. How can.

          I understand your point. If we say how fashionable it is in Ukraine now, I have not changed my shoes. I am just a person who may have doubts and misunderstandings. And it was with this thought that I asked these questions.
          1. SLX
            SLX 14 May 2014 12: 52
            0
            Quote: Banshee
            Well, a bit more time has elapsed between writing and publishing.


            What I see is what I sing about. And I see only the dates of publication on this site.

            Quote: Banshee
            The fact that I have a bunch of questions, only testifies to the fact that I'm not stubborn on one thought.


            That is yes. But your range of these thoughts is too wide -
            from cheers-patriotic appeals to recognition of their lack of understanding of the situation. But judging by your answer, you think this is normal.

            Quote: Banshee
            Yes, they do. Because I communicate with people, ask questions and get answers. And I can’t always understand if I perceive them correctly. Therefore, I ask.


            It is a pity that you have a desire to give out on the mountain cheers-patriotic slogans ahead of your desire to first understand in detail and only then call for the accomplishment of great things, and even on high notes.
            1. Roman Skomorokhov
              14 May 2014 18: 37
              +3
              Quote: SLX
              It is a pity that you have a desire to give out on the mountain cheers-patriotic slogans ahead of your desire to first understand in detail and only then call for the accomplishment of great things, and even on high notes.


              Do not consider yourself the most intelligent and advanced. Not interested. If you think that you are the first one and the only one who will teach everyone the mind, I will surprise you. Not first.

              In order to criticize and blame something, first show that you have the right to do so.
              1. SLX
                SLX 14 May 2014 19: 28
                -2
                Quote: Banshee
                Do not consider yourself the most intelligent and advanced.


                With your finger can you point out where I consider myself the smartest and most advanced? And if you can't, then read my posts and try to argue with arguments. If, of course, there is enough knowledge. And your shouts "who are you?" characterize you, but not me.

                Quote: Banshee
                Not interested. If you think that you are the first one and the only one who will teach everyone the mind, I will surprise you. Not the first.


                Am I so much like an idiot? It seemed to you. Probably because of a big grudge against me.

                Quote: Banshee
                In order to criticize and blame something, first show that you have the right to do so.


                Oh how ?! I came to an open information site, read the Rules of this site, agreed with them, registered and got the right to express my opinion without violating the above Rules.

                Have the rules changed? I didn’t find any changes. Am I breaking something somewhere? Show with your finger or tell the moderator to take appropriate measures.

                And if you do not like my criticism, then these are your personal difficulties - do not pay attention to it, do not write such articles or write them so that criticism does not arise, etc. Well, or Change the rules of this resource, indicating that only people with special rights can criticize you.
            2. Tartary
              Tartary 14 May 2014 18: 37
              +1
              Quote: SLX
              It is a pity that you have a desire to give out on the mountain cheers-patriotic slogans ahead of your desire to first understand in detail and only then call for the accomplishment of great things, and even on high notes.


              Imagine the entire current situation in Slavic society and, throw it into the Epoch of the "Tatar Yoke" ... Or, more precisely, put it like a tracing paper ...
              What will we see?

              I believe that the Mogul-Tartars are today's Russia ... And the Chinese (Mongols) are again at work and the great Ukrainians (then Rusich-Drevlyans) are again in Kiev ...

              Question: - where did the Mogul-Tartars go, since Russia suddenly became Kiev?

              I, this ... in a semi-serious way, but I want to get a meaningful answer to the question ...
        2. The centurion
          The centurion 14 May 2014 18: 00
          +3
          Quote: SLX
          History teaches that it teaches nothing. (with)

          Dostoevsky (a genius!) Already in 1877 wrote that “Russia will not, and never have had, such haters, envious people, slanderers and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, as soon as Russia liberates them, and Europe will agree to recognize them as liberated! Upon their release, they will begin their new life ... precisely with what they will beg for themselves from Europe, England and Germany, for example, a guarantee and protection of their freedom, and even though Russia will be included in the concert of the European powers, but they are in defense of Russia. they will do it. They will certainly begin with the fact that within themselves, if not outright out loud, they will declare to themselves and convince themselves that they do not owe Russia the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they barely escaped from the lust for power of Russia ... if Europe did not interfere, so Russia would swallow them immediately, "meaning the expansion of borders and the founding of the great All-Slavic empire on the enslavement of the Slavs to the greedy, cunning and barbaric Great Russian tribe." Perhaps for a whole century, or even longer, they will constantly tremble for their freedom and fear the lust for power in Russia; they will curry favor with the European states, they will slander Russia, gossip about it and intrigue against it.
          ... there will be individuals who will understand what Russia meant and will always mean for them. But these people, especially at the beginning, will appear in such a miserable minority that they will be subjected to ridicule, hatred and even political persecution. It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to voice and trumpet the whole world that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, a gloomy northern colossus, not even pure Slavic blood, a persecutor and hater of European civilization. Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush into Europe with rapture, before losing their personality they will be infected with European forms, political and social, and thus will have to go through a whole and long period of Europeanism before comprehending anything in its Slavic meaning and in its special Slavic vocation among mankind. Between themselves, these little lands will forever quarrel, always envy each other and intrigue against each other. Of course, in the moment of some serious trouble, they will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hate, gossip and slander us, Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, but they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not earlier) that Europe is a natural enemy of their unity, was they will always remain, and what if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, thereby restrains their integrity and unity ... "
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    3. creak
      creak 14 May 2014 10: 25
      +4
      SLX

      Hurray-patriots will, as in the good old days, hesitate along with the party line, perhaps some will now call for restraint (until the next change in the general line). Yes, this is not the first time that the site has published articles of exactly the opposite nature signed by the same author ... Why this is done can only be guessed at (pluralism in the head clearly does not seem to be a sign of it) ...
      As for the topic of the article, it seems to me that the owner should establish and maintain order in the house and not wait for a good uncle to do it for him ... And we will have enough to live like Svetlov's: "He left the house, went to fight to land to give to the peasants in Grenada ... ". And then for all these "international troubles" their own peasants once again somehow fade into the background - you might think that they are rolling like cheese in butter ...
  • viktsavenko
    viktsavenko 14 May 2014 09: 25
    +9
    I completely agree with the author. I myself have the same thoughts. If the people do not care, why should we be extreme again. Russia - help, and then - the damned invaders. No, as one clever man said, "You shouldn't give a fish to a hungry man. Give him fishing rod "
  • bikoleg
    bikoleg 14 May 2014 09: 29
    0
    And indeed, if it were not for the death of people, one might think a nasty comedy. First, people were killed on the Maidan and everything was n ... Now they are killing the country and again n ... There is no answer!
  • sim6
    sim6 14 May 2014 09: 29
    +10
    everything with us is taking its course, everything is fine, yes, the majority of the population still does not realize what has happened and is happening. We all need to rebuild after 23 years of calm, sleepy life. Condemn people for this is not necessary, put yourself in their place. Many people think about the May 25 elections (which we won’t have), about the taxes that Kiev will have to pay (which the DNR has to pay) and so on and so on ... Understand that everything is just beginning, now they are creating an army of the DNR, and now we’ll look at our activity. There is just such hope for Russia, as you write here, no, yes, we are waiting for help in the organizational aspects of the formation of the republics, yes, we are waiting for advisers in certain areas, we are waiting for help with supplies and weapons, but no more.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      14 May 2014 11: 54
      +1
      No one thought to blame. It really is the way you describe. Insanely complicated.
  • Artem1967
    Artem1967 14 May 2014 09: 30
    +5
    I do not claim to be the cleverest and understanding. Therefore, I ask such questions. I do not understand much in this situation. There are people much smarter. For example, Putin.
    But Putin is silent ...

    Putin probably also sees this and is tormented by the same thoughts as the author. We can’t push the people of the Donetsk region and Lugansk region and we can’t stupidly send troops, substituting the charge of starting a war with Ukraine. Ideally, it would be good to draw up a civilized divorce from the rest of Ukraine based on the results of the referendum (as in Czechoslovakia). Only the junta is unlikely to agree to such negotiations. Wisdom and endurance to you, Vladimir Vladimirovich!
    1. suprunmm
      suprunmm 14 May 2014 22: 15
      -3
      Russia has betrayed you. how I betrayed Yugoslavia in due time.
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 15 May 2014 22: 53
        +1
        Quote: suprunmm
        Russia has betrayed you

        Who are you to blame Russia? If you are over ten years old, can you remember how you betrayed her, Russia?
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 16 May 2014 19: 13
        0
        I’m sorry I can’t piss the cons. you expect the Russians to go to disperse the Maydan, and you’ll slander Russia on the clave. Go to the League of Sexual Reforms, they will help you there, but you’ll be minuscule, even if you are against this.
  • xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 14 May 2014 09: 30
    0
    How will it all end? It’s not clear. But the author of the article is right in his own right, this is exactly the situation that is happening now, many in the Donbass and in the Luhansk region want to rake in the heat with the wrong hands, while enriching the alegarchs! angry
    1. andj61
      andj61 14 May 2014 14: 34
      +1
      Quote: xbhxbr-777
      But the author of the article is right in his own right, this is exactly the situation that is happening now, many in the Donbass and in the Luhansk region want to rake the heat with the wrong hands, while enriching the alegarchs!


      We are not talking about those who want to use someone else's hands to "rake in the heat, while enriching the alegarchs", but about ordinary people who live by the principle: I am not white, I am not red, I am aloof, I am from the engine room.
      These ordinary people have already begun to be killed, and they all think that everything will work out without them. Active, you need 1% - and this will be enough! But this percentage just does not gain! Apparently, this is why the author is pessimistic.
      But Russia should help the new republics - and weapons, and specialists, and resources.
      1. Walking
        Walking 14 May 2014 15: 26
        +2
        Why does Russia owe everything? And who owes Russia?
  • blizart
    blizart 14 May 2014 09: 39
    +8
    Dear Russian brothers, I very much understand the meaning and role of Russians in the process which is called by everyone: the Third Rome, Pan-Slavism, etc. It is from the position of "messianism" in the Slavic world that you can call the Bulgarians brothers, forgetting from which side they participated in the wars against you, to say in sports reports: Another goal was thrown at us by our Czechoslovak friends! Here is the opinion of a person whose engagement in no case can you blame: A shepherd from the Kazakh gluuubinka (where Makar did not drive calves), in a conversation that accidentally began about Ukraine, where can we go without it now, he said three only Russian words known to him about Ukrainians: Pydory, Kazli, Gandony. It turned out that he served in the SA.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 May 2014 09: 39
    +5
    Do not forget about Russia. We are not at all indifferent to the possible entry of Ukraine into NATO. And the whole question is in the further confrontation of NATO Russia. The war, look, yes, it is already going on against Russia so far, economic and political. America is doing everything to collapse the Russian economy and repeat the Ukrainian scenario with the help of Russian liberals. If it doesn’t work out, a military confrontation will begin in full in the spirit of the Cold War. Enraged by the fact that they were counting on EBN on Russia's huge resource reserves, and Putin broke it off to them. Crimea infuriated them, they forgot about diplomacy, look at Psaki. So get ready for war. Americans need it like air, otherwise death.
  • Pitman
    Pitman 14 May 2014 09: 40
    +2
    The 20th part out of 7000000 would have risen --- they would have already thrown hats of all the maydans with their army !!!
    1. andj61
      andj61 14 May 2014 14: 37
      +2
      We need not the twentieth part, but only the hundredth! But this is not.
  • doktorlar
    doktorlar 14 May 2014 09: 41
    +2
    for sure, it turns out the most expensive, sorry, your ass. And the prospects are not visible
  • Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 14 May 2014 09: 45
    +2
    Quote: fregina1

    .... Bandera with braids along the roads are .... not alive and silence

    Probably not "standing", but "hanging"? ..
  • andrey-tse
    andrey-tse 14 May 2014 09: 48
    +2
    Everything is fine, of course, brotherly people, etc., but for some reason the Ossetians held out a few days before the approach of our army, everyone who could resist came out, and the Donbass for the most part expects that they will decide everything, either defend or enslave.
    1. creak
      creak 14 May 2014 13: 24
      +2
      [quote = andrey-tse] Everything is certainly fine, brotherly people, etc., but for some reason the Ossetians held out for several days before the approach of our army, everyone who could resist came out. / quote]

      That's right, it's enough to play the role of an older brother, who must educate, take care of and help his little brother all his life (and the older brother has his own family) and close his eyes to all his antics and whims ... In Ukraine, for the most part, all people are adults and have long grown out of short pants. The other day, even the LADY said a meaningful phrase: "Stop babysitting with Ukraine" and announced how much this babysitting cost us ... But before that it was possible - probably because the power was a son of a bitch, "But our son of a bitch."
    2. creak
      creak 14 May 2014 13: 24
      0
      [quote = andrey-tse] Everything is certainly fine, brotherly people, etc., but for some reason the Ossetians held out for several days before the approach of our army, everyone who could resist came out. / quote]

      That's right, it's enough to play the role of an older brother, who for some reason has to educate, patronize and help his little brother, who has not been able to establish a normal life for himself (and the older brother has his own family) and close his eyes to all his antics and whims ... In Ukraine, for the most part, all people are adults and have long grown out of short pants. The other day, even a LADY said a meaningful phrase: "Stop babysitting with Ukraine" and voiced how much this babysitting cost us ... But before that it was possible - probably because the power was a son of a bitch, "But our son of a bitch." Well, better late than never ...
  • mamont5
    mamont5 14 May 2014 10: 00
    +3
    "I cannot participate in the resistance, because I have to work. If I do not leave, I will be fired. They will be fired - it is difficult to find a job, so they will do without me."

    Nobody canceled the position "my house is on the edge". But on some resources, there is genuine indignation from Ukrainians and Russian Ukrainians - why is Putin not introducing troops in any way? That is why he does not introduce it, because he does not know what these troops will meet in Ukraine with? Flowers during the day and bullets at night. There were no such doubts in Crimea. Now, of course, the situation has changed for the better, but the mass character is still not visible.
  • MG42
    MG42 14 May 2014 10: 06
    +7
    And it turns out that in Slavyansk, where the so-called "Terrorists", pulled all the forces of the junta. Who can not really do anything with these terrorists. Yes, and not really torn. Because you can really get a bullet.

    But in Mariupol or Odessa, you can roam in full. Because there they will meet at best, in short. And barehanded.

    To the author >>> and you did not think that the most prepared from the same Mariupol and Odessa went to Slavyansk. The same Kharkov "Oplot" is now helping the locals in Donetsk, and these are the best fighters from Kharkov.

    What did Slavyansk rise against? There was, among other things, an additional incentive = production of shale gas in the district, poisoned water with all the consequences. Foreign companies shaving and americos just started drilling wells for shale gas while exploration on the border of Kharkov and Donetsk regions.

    If the maydaunas were on a round-the-clock basis on the Maidan because they were involved in seasonal work and simply earned money, the situation in the East is different, people work there are metallurgical enterprises and mines with a continuous cycle, it’s worth stopping them and you can’t restore all production. It is necessary to feed families, not everyone can quit work and go to the barricades.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      14 May 2014 11: 57
      0
      Quote: MG42
      and you didn’t think that the most prepared from the same Mariupol and Odessa went to Slavyansk.


      I know who is there. I will definitely speak about this. And why Slavyansk - I also know.
      1. MG42
        MG42 14 May 2014 12: 10
        +4
        Quote: Banshee
        I know who is there.

        So, Alpha and Omega, the elite of the SBU, are fighting against them, there are foreign PMC mercenaries.
        What is the use of the crowd of miners and metallurgists to pour Alfu helmets with miners?
        If there is hope that they will not shoot at civilians, they will, Mariupol showed.
      2. andj61
        andj61 14 May 2014 14: 40
        0
        Quote: Banshee
        And why Slavyansk - I also know.


        This, of course, is not Newton’s bin.
  • Ivan Tucha
    Ivan Tucha 14 May 2014 10: 16
    +3
    This is a correct article, I myself came to this conclusion, especially after conversations with a friend of Odessa, who at the end of April was just as cared for - it is necessary to work, well, someone is running with flags, Kiev is far away, and after the May events he wrote to me in contact: "- Vanka, SHAME !!! and I live in this country !!! "(literally). And there are a lot of questions, inconsistencies and absurdities in everything that happens ... It's sad, there are no words how to describe ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 May 2014 10: 26
    +3
    You see, life shows that 70 percent or even 80 percent are neutral. Those who accept what they bring, or go where they are led. And there is nothing to regret. Kolomoisky will come tomorrow with fighters in the Donbass and these people will accept such a fact of their life. Of course they will grumble, but they won’t do anything against it. By the way, that’s why I urge those who took power in the Donbass to take active steps, create a government and not defend themselves, but attack.
  • Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 14 May 2014 10: 31
    +7
    I read the article and fully support it. I am ashamed and bitter. Odessa - scolded and brutally murdered. They had no relatives, friends? It is necessary to take revenge. Choke one reptile one at a time. And what do we see grief and mourning. The old women put gray flowers where these atrocities occurred. And where is the active part of the male population of 30-50 years old? Go to work and smoke breaks discuss events. A shame. Donetsk and Lugansk region population
    seven million against several thousand thugs. The army does not want to fight.
    They say the rebels have no weapons. Why weapons depots are not captured?
    Where is the diversion work? Why are fascist armored vehicles moving freely on the roads? Some strange resistance to stick out at the block posts. The best defense is assault. And the vast majority of people do not care. We go to work, let volunteers fight. They even came from Ossetia. And for whom you really work, your oligarchs who pay the Nazis. To declare a nationwide strike so that the oligarchs do not have money for mercenaries. This is an option if there is no weapon, then so undermine the Kiev junta. By the way, it’s not clear where the Communists who are supposed to organize it all ....
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 14 May 2014 10: 31
    +6
    Yes, and Putin will remain silent until the tricky xoxls tear their asses off the sofas.
    What is it, Russia should send its sons to die for the "smart guys" who are waiting for a decision, and then also rake off sanctions for several years? Nefig, go ahead, hammer the fascists, your land, you protect.
  • Orik
    Orik 14 May 2014 10: 34
    +2
    God forbid, something like this happened in Russia, everything would be similar. EP = OL, the same officials "neither yours nor ours," the same majority of the townsfolk "I have to work, my house is on the edge." He is a man in the street, he is a man in the street, there is no idea, it makes no sense, he has his own little world and little joys, while they are, why fight?
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 14 May 2014 12: 11
      +17
      Hello everyone!
      Long time ago I didn’t put in my five kopecks here, but I couldn’t stand it .... I will give an example from the life of my little town, the population is about 20 thousand.
      Many people remember the beginning of the 90s and what was going on with alcohol then. And we have a small distillery here. And the guys from our former southern republics decided to take control of it.
      Perhaps you should not say that they had no problems with weapons. Nevertheless, the entire male population of the city rose against them.
      It began with banal fights, and then off and on ...
      From whose hands the police were feeding at that time, too, is clear, right?
      But our men won. Because EVERYONE has risen! From 18-year-old boys to 50-year-old fathers of families.
      The southerners were put forward an ultimatum, or we’ll get out of here or we’ll wet it. And we’ve soaked a few. The rest washed off, because they needed money and arrived, and not a monument on the grave .....
      More than 20 years have passed, and there are still no "guests from the south" in the city. Even Gaster ...
      Moral, I think, understand?
      And ours also did not have weapons, except for a few hunting rifles .......
      People are fighting, not weapons. Do you want to arm yourself, what are the problems in our time? Can you make the same "Molotov cocktail"? And burn a couple of armored personnel carriers for a start ...
  • mackonya
    mackonya 14 May 2014 10: 40
    +3
    I think so after the referendum and the creation of authorities, will it be possible to nationalize enterprises or am I wrong?
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      14 May 2014 11: 58
      +3
      In general - it is necessary.
    2. andj61
      andj61 14 May 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Until fig enterprises are registered in Kiev or in offshore, taxes are not paid to the regional budget, therefore, all of them need to be transferred to the Donbass as taxpayers and then divided into two parts: if the owner supports the junta, then everything is clear, and if not, or neutral, then you need to look. Enterprises need to be managed, there are technological chains, there are established suppliers and markets. A clumsy nationalization carried out at random, you can just stop the company.
      But tight control is a must.
  • Weniamin
    Weniamin 14 May 2014 10: 50
    0
    It is correctly said in the article - why protect someone who does not want to snap back himself.
  • Putnik960
    Putnik960 14 May 2014 10: 51
    +2
    Easy to reason on the couch. here go beat the junta. I want to eat every day, and who will feed? Dad left in the morning on the barricades under the hungry eyes of children, and in the evening brought home spent cartridges - eat the kids. So the man does what he can, goes to rallies, votes, tries to stop the APC with his bare hands, and on Monday he wants to eat at the machine.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka 14 May 2014 12: 18
      +2
      Quote: Putnik960
      - I want to eat.

      If only our grandfathers and fathers would have argued in the war ...... And where would we be today? And would we even be?
      They didn’t have wives, mothers, children? A huge number of families who fought in general remained in the occupied territories .......
      Not male is the answer !!!!!
      Because if the junties defeat, then they will have to definitely take a sip with awl. Without options.
      So go and fight so that your children have something to eat !!!!!!
      1. MG42
        MG42 14 May 2014 12: 49
        +7
        Quote: Tverichanka
        So go and fight so that your children have something to eat !!!!!!

        << Forward fighters, and I am after you, I was joking = go yourself. >> tongue
        Here Zhirinovsky even at least drove his wheelbarrow "Tiger" to Lugansk. Said = did
  • Lyton
    Lyton 14 May 2014 10: 58
    +3
    As the late Lebed general said, “the best soldier turns out from a man who has lost his family when he comes home from work, but is not at home, some ruins and the whole family has died,” then a man becomes a fearless war, he is not afraid of death, and even looks for it himself ... This is what I mean, let's look at it from the other side, people go to work, but what should they do, if, for example, they have small children and they are not interested in what dad wanted to go to war, they will ask for food after a while. It is necessary to create an army in the south-east and pay the soldiers money, collect the same percentage from those working for this business, for example. I don’t know how it will be, there is no answer, but we need to do something in this direction.
  • blizart
    blizart 14 May 2014 11: 07
    0
    For the Russian world, everything is very, very complicated. On the other hand, when was it easy for Him? For my 4 ten years, I do not remember such times. And the same can be said by those who are 100 and for 100, and if they could be those who are over 200 years old.
    And the eternal battle! Rest only in our dreams
    Through blood and dust ...
    The steppe mare flies, flies
    And crumpled feather grass ...
  • the same cat
    the same cat 14 May 2014 11: 14
    +2
    I agree with the author 100%. I asked the same questions on other sites. I have lived almost all my life in the Donbass and I will tell you - heredity is not a mitten - you cannot shake off your hand. And the heredity is as follows: "Son, I have worked all my life at this plant, now you will also work." Even if the Westerners have a flawed ideology, implicated in grievances and insults, but they have it. "
  • revnagan
    revnagan 14 May 2014 11: 30
    +1
    In the civil war there was such a poster: “We need to work, the rifle is nearby!” You can go to work and carry weapons with you. Only first you need to nationalize all enterprises in the newly created Novorossiya. Then the profits will go to the same workers. Kiev and the oligarchs- hell in a rag. And if now the workers give up everything like this and go to war, who will feed their families? And this issue needs to be urgently resolved. Only now it all smells of socialism and (oh, God!), communism! Will they agree to this in neighboring Russia ?! I don’t know. But otherwise people cannot be raised in sufficient numbers. In one with the author, I agree, if in Odessa and Nikolaev people had something to repel the attacks of right-wing monsters, such a massacre would not have happened there. But .. .. there was nothing to fight back. So, you need to share with those who have. If this problem is not solved, then Odessa and Nikolaev will remain unavenged. One spirit is a lot with armed punishers.
  • Varadero-don
    Varadero-don 14 May 2014 11: 47
    +10
    Good day everyone! I won't argue with the author of the article, the article is more emotional than practical !! here you write: " I looked at many things with different eyes. Indeed, why not go to a referendum? The day off. On weekends, you can vote for independence. And on Monday I have to work again. ".
    You didn’t attend the polling stations and did not feel the general mood and atmosphere. (Personally, I voted for School No. 90 in the Kirov District of Donetsk), if everyone had to come on a working day, if they had to come at night, if it would be completely hot, they ran in small groups to polling stations in the trenches. ..
    And according to your male population, it was necessary in the morning of May 12 to appear under the military registration and enlistment offices with axes and pitchforks bought in stores and demand a call ... to knock on closed doors and disperse? A republican conscription will be organized ... we will come ... we will definitely come ... and your familiar factory worker from "Tekhmet" will also come, because he will understand for what and with whom he needs to fight ..
    And yes, all at heart, we are really looking forward to the Russian army. Well, if she suddenly fails, we can handle it ourselves !!!!

    English version of the video about the referendum in the Southeast www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXYCGX6X21Y
    1. Iskander Khan
      Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 43
      0
      God, at least one voice of positive support. Thank.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 14 May 2014 12: 20
    +1
    Come on there. The author raises questions, considers them from all sides. After all, you can’t talk about the situation only from the standpoint of cheers-patriotism. As well as from the point of view of hackland. You understand, these are people and relatives of those people who survived the occupation during the Second World War. They survived once, so they are ready to survive the second time. And in fact, if they are not touched, they will be provided with stable feeding and the front of work to earn their rations, they don’t care what mode and who to plow for. That is, he plowed the shift at the open-hearth, came home, he has a stable beer booster, newspaper, football. What else does he need? In addition, the oligarchs taught these people not to demand much. And the oligarchs will in every way guarantee this small set of nishtyaks. The East, unlike the Westerners, do not see the ostentatious luxury of life in Europe, they do not see what one can strive for. So do not require them to exploit on the battlefield, they do not need this nafig. And if Russia cuts gas, then the factories stop and these people lose their daily boobs of beer, newspaper and football. And who will they dislike for this? From so ...
  • nnz226
    nnz226 14 May 2014 12: 34
    +1
    As Don Rumata said ("It's hard to be a god"): "Whoever tries to sit aside more than anyone else is the first to be cut!" Crimea and Sevastopol rose as one, so they won, although they also went to work, but when needed, everyone went out to the squares! And the leadership, after a short rush, has developed a line of further action. Now we are observing "action in the arena called Ukraine" from the Russian side. Here the leadership of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions must coordinate their actions and work out a single action program, then something will work out. And about the fact that in a country of seven million (albeit not yet recognized) there is no strength to throw out the Bandera-fascist trash from its territory - minus the residents of the country of Novorossiya! On May 9, judging by the reports, the song "Sacred War" sounded there, you need to remember its first lines!
    1. MG42
      MG42 14 May 2014 12: 43
      +8
      Quote: nnz226
      Crimea and Sevastopol rose as one, so they won, although they also went to work, but when needed, everyone went out to the square!


      It is interesting how events unfolded in the Crimea, if the Black Sea Fleet were not there. Polite people?
      Remember the confrontation in Crimea near the Rada in Simferopol when a crowd of Crimean Tatars + some right-wingers broke up pro-Russian activists several. thousand, this is the day before the appearance of polite people and the capture of the Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers.
      1. MEDVED
        MEDVED 14 May 2014 16: 00
        +2
        As far as I remember those recent events, and I closely followed the events in Crimea (I was worried about it), the Tatars and the Right Sectors took at first in numbers, but then (I remember this for sure) the so-called pro-Russian people began to actively pull up, and as a result the Tatars retreated. Well, then "polite people" appeared. The video is not completely - this is part of the truth. The truth not fully told is like a lie.
        1. vlum
          vlum 14 May 2014 16: 22
          0
          I then watched the stream. Almost to the end. The Tatars moved away in an orderly fashion, as if on command. Outwardly, this happened at a time when there were still more Russians than Tatars. They could not prevail. At night, the building itself, near which they were hustling, actually remained without invaders inside. At a minimum, this was not visible from the streams outside. And at night polite people came ...

          Even then, while watching a stream in chat rooms, I remember writing that the deputies should be taken under guard, so that the Crimean parliament would not lose its legitimacy.
          1. MG42
            MG42 14 May 2014 19: 30
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            Then, on February 26, the Crimean Tatars dispersed the Russians with the support of the right-wingers, I clearly saw this, and 2 pro-Russian activists died in Simferopol, officially from a crush

            extension

            Polite people appeared on February 27 in the early morning, capturing the Crimean Parliament and the Cabinet of Ministers.
            1. MEDVED
              MEDVED 14 May 2014 19: 58
              0
              the fact that people died, says only that there was a passion and serious .... But the fact remains that the Russians, as you say, the Tatars were unable to disperse, because they began to arrive noticeably.
              1. MG42
                MG42 15 May 2014 01: 16
                +1
                Quote: MEDVED
                But the fact remains that the Russians, as you say, the Tatars failed to disperse, because they began to arrive noticeably

                buddy, you or stream did not look winked , I say Russians then on February 26 from the Rada in Simferopol the Crimean Tatars "pushed aside", "squeezed out", "pushed out" choose that word yourself, if you do not like "dispersed"
                watch this video to the end.
                1. Iskander Khan
                  Iskander Khan 16 May 2014 00: 46
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                  And mind you, what would the Russian people do if the police from western Ukraine came to the side of the Pravoseks and Tatars and the "polite" did not come?
                  I do not underestimate the merits of the Crimeans. Well done, that the first spoke and showed Donbass how to act. But I ask, do not call Donbass Khatoskraevtsy and do not cite Crimea as an example. We have Ukrovoisk in Donbass and there are no "polite" ones. Unlike Crimea, we have to solve a lot of problems. Including going to work. After all, Russia did not take us under its wing immediately after the referendum.
  • vjhbc
    vjhbc 14 May 2014 12: 34
    +1
    It has long been known that only 5% of people, leaders 15% understand what and why, but they are led, and the remaining 80% are a clean and clear herd to them that the fascists that the communists or democrats are all the same, they do not distinguish between them if they cut or send everything into space equally knows so necessary
    1. Anna Kirichuk
      Anna Kirichuk 16 May 2014 13: 02
      -1
      You are probably right ... But! I just can’t understand how HOW in Ukraine they can calmly look at the fact that the Nazis came to power? !!!!!!!!!!!!!! even those who still in childhood remember WHAT it is ...
    2. Anna Kirichuk
      Anna Kirichuk 16 May 2014 13: 02
      0
      You are probably right ... But! I just can’t understand how HOW in Ukraine they can calmly look at the fact that the Nazis came to power? !!!!!!!!!!!!!! even those who still in childhood remember WHAT it is ...
    3. Vesnik
      Vesnik 16 May 2014 18: 40
      0
      You are the same!