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In the south-west of the United States crashed American air force attack

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In the US state of Arizona on Friday, the Harrier attack aircraft (McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier) of the US Air Force crashed. This was reported channel ABC.


In the south-west of the United States crashed American air force attack


Federal Office of Civil aviation (FAA) The USA has confirmed the fact of a military plane crash in a non-residential area near the city of Zacaton. As noted in the FAA leadership, the pilot managed to eject in time. He was injured in the face and was taken to the hospital, his life is in danger.

A preliminary cause of the incident was a problem with the engine. Military experts will begin investigating the incident as soon as possible. The plane, according to the channel, is assigned to the Miramar naval base in San Diego (California).

HARRIER AV-8B STORMER
The Harrier AV-8B attack aircraft is capable of speeds up to 1 063 km per hour. Its combat radius is about 470 km. The aircraft can carry both high-explosive and cluster, incendiary and corrective bombs. It can also carry air-to-air and air-to-surface guided missiles, as well as unguided ones such as the Hydra. The maximum take-off weight of the attack aircraft exceeds 14 tons.

Harrier AV-8B is in service with the US Marine Corps, as well as the naval forces of Spain and Italy. The plane was used by the Americans during the war in Afghanistan.


According to the CBS television channel, since 1996, this is the tenth crash of this type of aircraft in the state of Arizona.

In January of this year, several incidents with the participation of American military helicopters and aircraft occurred in the United States. 16 January at a military airfield in the American city of Savannah (Georgia) made a hard landing army helicopter Black Hawk. The incident killed one soldier, two more were injured.

January 15 US Navy F-16 fighter crashed into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Virginia. The pilot managed to escape. 8 January, also off the coast of Virginia, crashed military helicopter MH-53E. Three people died.
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 May 2014 06: 45
    +20
    Minus one ..))))
    1. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 10 May 2014 06: 47
      +18
      Minus one ..))))

      in the morning how sober!
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 10 May 2014 06: 52
        +7
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Minus one ..))))

        in the morning how sober!

        Right! a trifle but nice damn it .. drinks
        1. Baikal
          Baikal 10 May 2014 07: 09
          +14
          I've never been so happy about disasters. I look forward to the following stories.
          Everything should be back.

        2. subbtin.725
          subbtin.725 10 May 2014 09: 56
          +4
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Right! a trifle but nice damn it ..

          Not everything is so ideal with our "sworn friends"; more often. Russia-forward!
        3. Combitor
          Combitor 10 May 2014 10: 49
          +7
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Right! a trifle but nice damn it ..

          The news smiled. It is a sin to rejoice at someone else's misfortune, but here the case is completely different. I would also like to read the State Department’s statements that the Russians were to blame for this disaster, so generally the mood for the whole next week will be a solid positive.
          smile
          1. asar
            asar 10 May 2014 14: 39
            +3
            How else?! These are all the "intrigues" of special groups of the GRU, SVR, FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs, my housing and communal services (where I pay money for square meters) ...!
          2. kush62
            kush62 10 May 2014 15: 43
            +3
            It is a sin to rejoice at someone else's misfortune, but here the case is completely different.


            This is not someone else’s misfortune, but the enemy’s. It means that somewhere on earth people will remain alive, to whom the hand of the democratizer has not reached.
          3. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2014 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: Kombitor
            Quote: MIKHAN
            Right! a trifle but nice damn it ..

            The news smiled. It is a sin to rejoice at someone else's misfortune, but here the case is completely different. I would also like to read the State Department’s statements that the Russians were to blame for this disaster, so generally the mood for the whole next week will be a solid positive.
            smile
            and this is not someone else’s misfortune, these are the problems of the enemy! drinks
        4. mamont5
          mamont5 10 May 2014 12: 11
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Right! a trifle but nice damn it .. drinks


          The other day I read, my heart warmed up.

          "During the demonstration battles in India, Russian fighters defeated American F-15Cs with a score of 9: 1
          Modifications of MiG-21-93 "Bizon" and Su-30 MKI "Irkut" fighter planes supplied by Russia to friendly India have shown themselves in all their glory. During the demonstration battles of the Indian Air Force on Russian fighters with the F-15C and F-16C / D fighters of the US Air Force, according to declassified data in 2004, the Indian aces inflicted a shameful defeat on the Americans with a score of 9: 1. They also proved to be worthy opponents of the French Mirages, whose squadrons included the latest Mirage-2000C, Mirage-2000-5 and Mirage-2000N aircraft. "
          http://warfiles.ru/show-55590-vo-vremya-pokazatelnyh-boev-v-indii-russkie-istreb
          iteli-razgromili-amerikanskie-f-15s-so-schetom-91.html
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 May 2014 16: 06
            0
            Quote: mamont5
            “During the demonstration battles in India, Russian fighters defeated American F-15Cs with a score of 9: 1. Modifications of MiG-21-93“ Bizon ”and Su-30 MKI“ Irkut ”fighter planes supplied by Russia to India-friendly aircraft showed themselves in all their glory. During the demonstration battles of the Indian Air Force on Russian fighters with the F-15C and F-16C / D fighters of the US Air Force, according to declassified data in 2004, the Indian aces inflicted a shameful defeat on the Americans with a score of 9: 1.


            The Indians won, but there is one caveat. The training battles took place on the condition that the Americans would not use AIM-120 missiles in them, with an active seeker and a launch range of more than 100 km.
            1. Gomel
              Gomel 10 May 2014 17: 45
              +4
              then completely ...

              Under the terms of the demonstration battles, the United States was limited in the use of long-range missiles and airborne early warning radars of multi-frequency action. Similarly, Indian pilots were forbidden to use the Russian-equipped Bars radars and missiles of the same class.
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 10 May 2014 18: 24
                +1
                Quote: Gomel
                Under the terms of the demonstration battles, the United States was limited in the use of long-range missiles and airborne early warning radars of multi-frequency action. Similarly, Indian pilots were forbidden to use the Russian-equipped Bars radars and missiles of the same class.


                The fact of the matter is that all conditions contributed to close-range combat without the use of medium-range missiles, that is, the Americans were stripped of their trump card, providing the best soil for the victories of Indian pilots. Here, the Indians using the best maneuverability of the Su-30 and won.
                1. clidon
                  clidon 10 May 2014 19: 38
                  +3
                  Then it is necessary to remember that according to the scenario of the exercises, the American pilots were supposed to act in the minority, against the superior enemy forces, practicing the cover of "important targets", without using radar and SD missiles. As far as I remember, the Russian Su-30MKI fighters did not participate in the exercises at all, only the earlier configuration of the Su-30K. Therefore, “Leopards” were not there by definition.
                  The Americans, following the results of the exercises, scattered compliments to the Indian aviation (then the establishment of American-Indian relations, after a long break), including through specialized magazines, from where it got into the Russian Internet. Plus, these "losses" were used as leverage in Congress when trying to extend the production of the F-22.
                  1. supertiger21
                    supertiger21 10 May 2014 22: 05
                    0
                    Quote: clidon
                    Then it is necessary to remember that according to the scenario of the exercises, the American pilots were supposed to act in the minority, against the superior enemy forces, practicing the cover of "important targets", without using radar and SD missiles. As far as I remember, the Russian Su-30MKI fighters did not participate in the exercises at all, only the earlier configuration of the Su-30K. Therefore, “Leopards” were not there by definition. The Americans, following the results of the exercises, scattered compliments to the Indian aviation (then the establishment of American-Indian relations, after a long break), including through specialized magazines, from where it got into the Russian Internet. Plus, these "losses" were used as leverage in Congress when trying to extend the production of the F-22.


                    I’m talking about the fact that the Americans didn’t use medium-range AIM-120 missiles in those training battles, which forced them to get closer to the Indian Dryers. And this closer, as a rule, leads the deaths of American fighters in the battle with our .
                    1. clidon
                      clidon 11 May 2014 12: 29
                      0
                      As a rule, they haven’t practically fought at all for the last 30 years. ) How many melee battles were there? But I think. that the Su-30 would have shown itself worthily against the F-15. Helmet systems + P-73 vs American matrix guidance systems and AIM-9 ...
      2. URAL72
        URAL72 10 May 2014 11: 54
        +2
        It's nice, but I'm waiting for the next fall of V-2, F-22, or at least F-35 ...
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 10 May 2014 17: 37
        +2
        Quote: Rostovchanin
        Minus one ..))))

        in the morning how sober!
        pinned up from the dacha ... fatigue completely disappeared! useful thing catastrophes in mattresses! laughing
    2. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 10 May 2014 06: 57
      +17
      Damn the vampire insatiable
      I drank a lot of people’s blood.
      Though with a dollar the whole world you fell asleep,
      Choke on your own deaths.
    3. maks-101
      maks-101 10 May 2014 07: 25
      +5
      when we start to shoot, then open the account, and while the dravalet crashed well, and figs with it.
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    5. samoletil18
      samoletil18 10 May 2014 09: 47
      +1
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Minus one ..))))
      Similar conclusion! fellow
    6. Vanya2013F
      Vanya2013F 10 May 2014 11: 52
      +2
      Straight balm for the soul!
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 10 May 2014 06: 49
    +14
    already even the pilot is not sorry. there you and the road, peddlers of democracy.
    py.s. wow, how much anger has accumulated ... I wonder at myself
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 10 May 2014 10: 01
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      already even the pilot is not sorry. there you and the road

      With a potential enemy, do not stand on ceremony. After the latest events, not any pity.
  3. andr327
    andr327 10 May 2014 06: 58
    +4
    Although it’s quite an ordinary event, if they fight, it means they still fly. which means combat training is present.
    1. Predator
      Predator 10 May 2014 08: 55
      +1
      Then let them fly more often .... maybe even with 100 "jail"! Good luck to them! fellow
  4. delfinN
    delfinN 10 May 2014 07: 02
    +4
    What are themselves, such are the sled. In Ukraine, Saki instructors also advised. So far, they have reached Donbass, they got a lot of bucks from technicians.
  5. 14evgen
    14evgen 10 May 2014 07: 05
    +8
    We watched our Victory Parade and decided to show how they can fly, but alas ...
    1. Predator
      Predator 10 May 2014 08: 57
      +2
      Aha! Our armor was seen and immediately bang-catapult, that's the salvation! lol
  6. Belarus
    Belarus 10 May 2014 07: 06
    +8
    At least one good news per day, good !!!!
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 10 May 2014 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: Belarus
      At least one good news per day, good !!

      Most pleasant. Glory to our weapons!
  7. tnship2
    tnship2 10 May 2014 07: 12
    +1
    We only learn about obvious disasters. The question is, how many emergency situations are SIMPLIFIED? Another big question is which planes are more reliable! If you use the same F-16 and its modifications in winter-summer, winter-summer mode? Can you safely multiply several times
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 May 2014 10: 03
      +4
      Quote: tnship2
      We learn only about obvious disasters. The question is, how many emergency situations are SIMPLIFIED?

      Ten years ago, the U.S. Navy KMP aviation had the same problems with the AV-8B.
      "A large-scale inspection of the McDonnell-Douglas Harrier fighters began after statistics showed the aircraft to be the leading aircraft in the number of accidents in the US Army. Accidents with the AV-8 Harrier were more than five times that of all others. Over a third of its fleet has been lost in the 32 years of use of the Harrier in disasters, and five such aircraft have crashed in the past year alone.
      A total of 148 non-military incidents involving Harrier aircraft killed 45 Marines. http://lenta.ru/world/2004/03/02/harrier/
  8. Grenz
    Grenz 10 May 2014 07: 22
    +11
    Moscow's hand reached for Arizona.
    If not GRU agents poured sugar into the gas tank, then the pilot was probably in psychological stress from the Victory Parade and the passage of our aircraft.
    Apparently I wanted to portray something like this and fuck ....
    1. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 10 May 2014 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: grenz
      certainly the pilot was in psychological stress from the Victory Parade and the flight of our aircraft.

      In the UAE at the air show after the demonstration flights, our pilot on the SU-35 suggested a potential battle, NO WISHING. This is a fact that "for some reason" is hushed up by the West. We were afraid to disgrace. And where did their famous steepness go? Glory to the Air Force!
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 10 May 2014 16: 01
        +1
        Quote: subbtin.725
        In the UAE at the air show after the demonstration flights, our pilot on the SU-35 suggested a potential battle - NO WISHING. This is a fact that "for some reason" is hushed up by the West. We were afraid to disgrace ourselves. And where did their famous steepness go?


        Perhaps ours offered a close maneuverability, in which the American and European fighters are weak with us. In aerial combat at long distances, our Su-35 is much inferior to the same F-22.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 10 May 2014 19: 45
          +1
          Quote: supertiger21
          long distances, our Su-35 is much inferior to the same F-22.
          And in the coverage area of ​​its ground-based radars, electronic warfare systems, AWACS? The main thing is to protect the native sky.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 May 2014 21: 44
            +1
            Quote: samoletil18
            And in the coverage area of ​​its ground-based radars, electronic warfare systems, AWACS? The main thing is to protect the native sky.


            Yes, I agree good ! But I spoke only about these two planes, that is, about the theory of their capabilities.
            1. samoletil18
              samoletil18 12 May 2014 18: 45
              0
              Quote: supertiger21
              about these two planes, that is, about the theory of their capabilities.
              Well, so the Germans disdainfully called the MiG-3 "Ivans", and Pokryshkin idolized this plane. It's like a person from an anatomy textbook - he never was and never will be. But I have mastered anatomy, I work as a doctor. The main thing is that our specialists use it correctly. All specialists.
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        3. typhoon7
          typhoon7 10 May 2014 19: 51
          0
          Excuse me, why is this Su-35 much inferior to a rattle? What did you do aerial combat? According to the estimates of the same amers, Russian cars see further, as well as our missiles have a longer range. They are now generally engaged in the analysis of their fifth generation machines. Preference is given to the Superhornet and F-16, such a pair. By the way, not only the Su-30, but also the MiG-21-93 Bizon won against the Amers against the Amers, that's why they are still keeping it in service. This once again proves that the MiG-21 still won the air battles in the sky of Yugoslavia at the F-15. Well, how the MiG-21 drove the F-16 there so it was even seen on TV.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 May 2014 22: 00
            0
            Good evening hi !

            Quote: typhoon7
            Excuse me, why is this Su-35 much inferior to a rattle?


            Khryapa has an AN / APG-77 AFAR radar capable of operating periodically rapidly changing frequencies, which makes its radiation invisible to the enemy. This time! Secondly, the F-22 has an EPR of no more than 0.1 m2, which is at least 10 times less than that of the Su-35, which is a great advantage in long-range combat.

            Quote: typhoon7
            Russian cars see further


            I do not argue! The Raptor radar sees at 235 km, and Sushki at as much as 400 km. But one thing is farther, and another is better. All the same, the N035 "Irbis" is a passive PAR, which is inferior in detection capabilities to an active PAR.

            Quote: typhoon7
            as well as our explosive missiles, the range is greater.


            Missiles such as R-37 and KS-172 are designed not against fighters, but against weaker and less maneuverable aircraft (for example, AWACS aircraft).

            Quote: typhoon7
            Preference is given to the Superhornet and F-16


            The F-16 is still in service, with the advent of the F-35A it will be removed. Super Hornet will stay much longer, but he will have to serve alongside the F-35C.

            Quote: typhoon7
            but the MiG-21-93 Bison, so they leave him still in service.


            A major misconception, the MiG-21 did not win training fights there. Do you even know how a 2nd generation aircraft can exceed the 4th - that is, the F-15 and F-16 ???

            Quote: typhoon7
            This once again proves that the MiG-21 still won the air battles in the sky of Yugoslavia at the F-15.


            Sorry, Ivan, but you seem to be confusing with the MiG-29. As far as I know, the MiG-21s were not allowed to Serbs against NATO fighters ... request

            Quote: typhoon7
            Well, how the MiG-21 drove the F-16 there so it was even seen on TV.


            How could you see this "on TV", if no media about such exercises (which you are talking about) are mentioned?
  9. Berkut-UA
    Berkut-UA 10 May 2014 07: 22
    +1
    On January 16, a Black Hawk army helicopter made a hard landing at a military airfield in the American city of Savannah (Georgia). As a result of the incident, one soldier was killed, two more were injured.

    January 15 US Navy F-16 fighter crashed into the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Virginia. The pilot managed to escape. 8 January, also off the coast of Virginia, crashed military helicopter MH-53E. Three people died.


    This is Putin's fault
    And the president of the states - chernozhopikov
    This is Putin's fault
    And in Kiev, the Nazis-separatists are in power
    This is Putin's fault
    And fascist Nazis tear Ukraine apart
    This is Putin's fault
    Russians rallied stronger than before
    This is Putin - a merit
  10. Tatarus
    Tatarus 10 May 2014 07: 22
    +1
    So many films came out about zombie attacks. I then came to the conclusion that traps are zombies.
  11. Sosed_26
    Sosed_26 10 May 2014 07: 24
    +1
    let the flies die and fall
  12. Lyubimov
    Lyubimov 10 May 2014 07: 45
    +5
    Just woke up, and already such great news!
  13. Barakuda
    Barakuda 10 May 2014 07: 46
    +4
    These are all actions of Donetsk "separatists" with St. George's ribbons. smile
  14. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 10 May 2014 07: 57
    +2
    A gift for the holiday!
  15. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 10 May 2014 07: 58
    +2
    No matter how much the bill for the fighter was presented, you brought your pilot to celebrate nervous stress, resulting in a fall.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 10 May 2014 08: 16
      +11
      Good day to all.

      quote-In the US state of Arizona on Friday crashed attack aircraft Harrier (McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier) of the US Air Force. This was reported by ABC.


      In Japan, the fallen roof of the hangar destroyed the US Navy aircraft
      The US Navy lost three coastal patrol aircraft after a hangar collapsed at a US military base located in Japan. About the incident writes herald US Department of Defense Stars and Stripes.

      “Of the four aircraft, three are rated as completely destroyed. Evaluation of the performance of the remaining aircraft will be taken after the dismantling of the roof, ”said US Navy spokeswoman Latoya Graddy.

      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/flot/5248-1.html

      Total 4 aircraft per week. laughing
      1. clidon
        clidon 10 May 2014 08: 37
        +1
        The Japanese have it all the time, then the tsunami planes hit, and now the roofs are falling. However, "Orions" cars are not fresh, they will go under write-off in the coming years.
      2. Deadmen
        Deadmen 10 May 2014 13: 10
        +3
        I put a plus roof. Roof handsome !! you need all the roofs of America plus. Especially the roof of the white house.
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 10 May 2014 15: 20
        +2
        This is certainly great, but they have several thousand airplanes in the desert on conservation. They will make up for the planes, but trained pilots are already more difficult to replace.
  16. 3vs
    3vs 10 May 2014 08: 16
    +1
    Not otherwise, the UFO that shot the Taliban in Afghanistan has now worked here.
  17. Vadim12
    Vadim12 10 May 2014 08: 23
    +5
    On NTV, someone left a comment: "It's good that without casualties, let's break another 2 thousand pieces in the same way." wink
    1. theadenter
      theadenter 10 May 2014 09: 30
      +1
      I completely agree. But unfortunately, an airplane is a business, but a competent shot needs to be trained for a long time. Better to find the human factor of the accident and remove it from flight.
  18. clidon
    clidon 10 May 2014 08: 36
    +2
    Who flies, he falls.
  19. HAM
    HAM 10 May 2014 09: 13
    0
    The mattresses come their 90th!
  20. sv68
    sv68 10 May 2014 09: 48
    +1
    accelerated contraction of the fleet began by the method of accidents and disasters, the us decided to get rid of their aviation - more planes crashed in america - cleaner the sky
  21. Evgeniy31
    Evgeniy31 10 May 2014 09: 52
    +2
    After the military parades in Moscow and Sevastopol, the pilot could not cope with emotions.)
  22. 120352
    120352 10 May 2014 10: 04
    0
    Very sorry!
    I am extremely saddened that there is only one. Is it possible to make all of them suddenly crash? By chance, of course.
    It would also be nice if their submarines drowned. And all at once. And the trunks of the machine guns bent. Well, everything is clear with the missiles: they should suddenly begin to explode at the location, before the start. And it is obligatory exclusively by accident.
    It would also be nice if the entire American army suddenly began massive diarrhea. Incurable. And so that diapers do not help.
    It seems to me that in order to avoid an epidemic, NATO will scatter on this basis.
  23. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 10 May 2014 10: 30
    +2
    In I-net there is a video of the AV-8 disaster right in front of a surprised audience relaxing on the beach. http://www.avsim.su/f/accidents-88/harrier-submarine-4030.html?action=download&h
    l
  24. serioga
    serioga 10 May 2014 10: 34
    +1
    Great news more often than such news.
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 10 May 2014 10: 35
    +1
    The event itself is a pleasant event, of course.
    He served in the unit where were the Yak-38. There was an automatic bailout system. If a certain roll is exceeded during takeoff and landing, the system automatically catapulted the pilot, here the same story is visible.
    1. clidon
      clidon 10 May 2014 12: 04
      +3
      There is no automatic system on the AV-8. He has one engine and a different draw at take-off, as the 38th does not happen.
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 10 May 2014 13: 34
        0
        Quote: clidon
        He has one engine and a different draw at take-off, as the 38th does not happen.


        But Harrier has 4 nozzles, which also gives about the same effect.
        1. clidon
          clidon 10 May 2014 14: 44
          +1
          But the engine and the thrust are one. That is, one nozzle cannot give more or less thrust than another - there is only one source. And we had three different engines - one sneezed and somersault.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 10 May 2014 15: 57
            0
            Quote: clidon
            But the engine and the thrust are one. That is, one nozzle cannot give more or less thrust than another - there is only one source. And we had three different engines - one sneezed and somersault.


            Yes! Perhaps this was a minus of our VTOL concept. The Americans also refused additional engines on the F-35B, replacing them with a large vintelator.
            1. clidon
              clidon 10 May 2014 19: 33
              +2
              Not possible, exactly minus. And it’s understandable why - they couldn’t create a high-power engine, they had to make a lot of lifting.
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 10 May 2014 21: 40
                +1
                Quote: clidon
                Not possible, exactly minus. And it’s understandable why - they couldn’t create a high-power engine, they had to make a lot of lifting.


                The reason for this is rather that ours understood the less relevance of VTOL aircraft, therefore they acted sparingly. Well, the British overestimated Harrier's capabilities by investing more work and achieving less results from such an aircraft.
                The only war where the Harrier family aircraft participated was the Anglo-Argentine one for the Falklands. For 2 and a half months, 21 Argentine aircraft were destroyed by the Sea Harriers. Moreover, the Argentine planes were obviously weaker. 3 during the entire war only once met with the Harriers. Nevertheless, Argentine pilots destroyed 7 British warships, and damaged 14 of them. But here, the British were lucky that 80% of the shells fired by the Argentines did not explode, which means that the cover work Harriers did not fulfill the fleet.
                1. clidon
                  clidon 11 May 2014 12: 26
                  0
                  The reason for this is more in the technological backwardness of engine building. We always had problems with the compactness of the components, and the requirements for the Yak-38 were imposed as a small-sized machine in the first place. Moreover, then it was still planned both for ship decks and for forward support of ground forces. Why were these "yaks" dragged to Afghan.
                  "Harrier" proved itself as a good (although, of course, inferior to conventional "horizontal lines") strike aircraft with the ability to use explosive missiles. And it remains in service until now, being used in a heap of conflicts (as a drummer).
                  1. supertiger21
                    supertiger21 11 May 2014 13: 07
                    0
                    Quote: clidon
                    "Harrier" proved itself as a good (although, of course, inferior to conventional "horizontal lines") strike aircraft with the ability to use explosive missiles. And it remains in service until now, being used in a heap of conflicts (as a drummer).


                    I don’t agree! Harrier may be a good one, but he didn’t show himself anywhere (except for the Falklands). The small combat radius and combat load made it useless compared to the usual A-10. Yes, and besides, this car is not safe, about which and evidence of the loss of 1/3 of their entire fleet at the KMP. The United States and its other operators have long had time to replace this trash with the latest F-35B, which they plan to do in the next 7-10 years.
                    1. clidon
                      clidon 11 May 2014 13: 47
                      0
                      What does it mean showed? Was flying I flew. Did you throw rocket bombs? Scammed. Last time, if memory serves, in Libya (from the USS "Kearsarge") and Afghanistan. It’s quite a plane for itself, given that it can fly from decks, from where neither the A-10 nor the A-6 can take off by definition. And the fact that he stayed in line - who argues that. Who is easy now?
                      1. supertiger21
                        supertiger21 11 May 2014 14: 34
                        0
                        Quote: clidon
                        What does it mean showed? Was flying I flew. Did you throw rocket bombs? Scammed. Last time, if memory serves, in Libya (from the USS "Kearsarge") and Afghanistan. It’s quite a plane for itself, given that it can fly from decks, from where neither the A-10 nor the A-6 can take off by definition. And the fact that he stayed in line - who argues that. Who is easy now?


                        It's not about that! The plane is not the most successful, and its participation in conflicts does not give any particular benefit. Harrier did not succeed as a fighter, as it was originally designed, and therefore he got the lighter role of an attack aircraft (and not the best one) .Yak -38 is also an extremely unsuccessful machine. Therefore, nobody is interested in creating VTOL aircraft anymore, even the F-35B will be used as a plane for short take-off and landing. Alas, vertical take-off is very difficult and at the same time useless and not relevant.
                      2. clidon
                        clidon 11 May 2014 16: 42
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                        This is a good car for its niche - an aircraft of short decks, of which there are many in the world. Actually "Harrier" long ago (since the 80s) flies exactly like an airplane with a shortened takeoff. Precisely because vertical takeoff is not very relevant.
                      3. supertiger21
                        supertiger21 11 May 2014 22: 35
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                        Quote: clidon
                        This car is successful for its niche - short deck aircraft


                        I agree, for base on the landing ships Harrier just right.

                        Quote: clidon
                        of which there were many in the world.


                        Because no one wanted to make an analogue of it, because he understood that such an aircraft had a bleak future.

                        Quote: clidon
                        Actually "Harrier" long ago (since the 80s) flies exactly like an airplane with a shortened takeoff. Precisely because vertical takeoff is not very relevant.


                        Actually, it is, Harrier is only used as a plane of short take-off and landing, and I would call vertical take-off simply a beautiful ostentatious technique, which is absolutely useless for our time.
                      4. clidon
                        clidon 12 May 2014 05: 35
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                        Because no one wanted to make an analogue of it, because he understood that such an aircraft had a bleak future.

                        Let's just say that there are not many short decks in the world and Harier has completely exhausted this niche. Exactly how the F-35 will exhaust it.

                        And I would call vertical takeoff simply a beautiful ostentatious device, which is absolutely useless for our time.

                        So it has not been used anywhere for 30 years. Even the Yak-38 took off from a short run.
                      5. supertiger21
                        supertiger21 12 May 2014 16: 05
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                        Quote: clidon
                        Let's just say that there are not many short decks in the world and Harier has completely exhausted this niche.


                        It's just that only a small number of certain countries have a need for aviation capable of taking off from a short deck, so Harrier, in principle, has no analogues at the moment.

                        Quote: clidon
                        Exactly how the F-35 will exhaust it.


                        More precisely, the F-35B. The rest of the F-35A and F-35C have nothing to do with the SUVP.

                        Quote: clidon
                        So it has not been used anywhere for 30 years. Even the Yak-38 took off from a short run.


                        I agree here!
                      6. clidon
                        clidon 12 May 2014 21: 15
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                        therefore Harrier, in principle, and "has no analogues" at the moment.

                        I wrote - he occupied the entire niche of "short decks", except for the USSR.

                        More precisely, F-35B

                        Well, this is what I think, and so we understand. )
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought 10 May 2014 10: 57
    +2
    Not everything is so curly at the mattresses. Beat little by little. And I want more. Well, thanks for that.
    1. clidon
      clidon 10 May 2014 12: 05
      +3
      They always fought and fight like everyone who flies. Who does not fly does not fight.
  • artemon0502
    artemon0502 10 May 2014 11: 22
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    Finally, our sabotage begins behind enemy lines.
  • supertiger21
    supertiger21 10 May 2014 11: 35
    +1
    Of course, the pilot is sorry crying but it’s only in our favor good ! And once again it was proved that Harrier is one of the most crashed combat aircraft, which is typical for VTOL aircraft. That’s why we removed Yaki from weapons, because there is no great benefit from having such aircraft.
  • MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 10 May 2014 11: 52
    +1
    pilot - well done, keep it up. Now the main thing is not to stop there, you give the second broken plane, and there you look and others pull themselves up.
  • Rash
    Rash 10 May 2014 12: 02
    +1
    And the cow has become unkind to a neighbor! Not good, but nice! winked
  • iwind
    iwind 10 May 2014 12: 37
    +3
    Haraers are living out their last years, their resource is almost exhausted. If Haraera would be a horse, I would suggest shooting him so that I would not suffer.
    According to this, the ILC is the first to transfer the F-35 fleet to operational readiness since 2015. In April alone, 35 hours were flown on the F-281b.
    AV-8, the latest modifications.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 May 2014 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: iwind
      Haraers are living out their last years, their resource is almost exhausted. If Haraera would be a horse, I would suggest shooting him so that I would not suffer. According to this, the ILC is the first to transfer the F-35 fleet to operational readiness since 2015. In April alone, 35 hours flew on the F-281b. AV-8, the latest modifications.


      I agree! Vertical take-off and landing are almost extinct and not relevant for a long time. Much better shortened GDP, which F-35B is going to use on the decks of landing ships. This is much more economical and much safer.
      1. iwind
        iwind 10 May 2014 14: 12
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        Quote: supertiger21
        I agree! The vertical take-off and landing have almost died out and have not been relevant for a long time

        Well, so the av-8 regular entry is also not vertical. It's just that the AV-8 is out of date and it's time for him to retire. The only thing that the F-35b began to work out was SRVL (Shipborne Rolling Vertical Landing) - that would allow to increase the maximum total when landing on the udka. At the end of the video, the pair landing in SRVL mode

        By the way, a reason to rejoice some kind of completely liquid one, well b-2 would have fallen, this is damage to the Air Force. And their careers anyway soon in the cemetery.
  • Naval
    Naval 10 May 2014 13: 00
    +4
    Let them take an example from their dill colleagues and everything will be okay laughing
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 10 May 2014 19: 54
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      F-15 received from NATO wassat
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  • Yugra
    Yugra 10 May 2014 13: 06
    +4
    A lot of such great news. By the way, by the way
  • Deadmen
    Deadmen 10 May 2014 13: 09
    +3
    I am probably a bad person. I rejoice at any grief that occurs in the mattresses. I can not help myself.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 May 2014 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Deadmen
      I am probably a bad person. I rejoice at any grief that occurs in the mattresses. I can not help myself.


      good
      And do it right, everyone should take an example from you!
  • nahalenok911
    nahalenok911 10 May 2014 13: 41
    +2
    Ours also fall and perish ... I do not think that you would be pleased with any gloating and joy in this regard. Do not be like! God save you!
  • efeer
    efeer 10 May 2014 14: 54
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    The plane in the photo is very similar to the Yak-38 ... Stole chtoli?
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 May 2014 15: 52
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      Quote: efeer
      The plane in the photo is very similar to the Yak-38 ... Stole chtoli?


      Dear, you are mistaken hi ! Harrier GR.3 made its first flight in 1966 (and its prototype back in 1960), the Yak-38 took off in 1971. Nobody stole from anyone, not ours, not ours.
    2. clidon
      clidon 10 May 2014 19: 39
      +2
      If they had copied our Yak-38, their Harrier would have been in a junkyard long ago. )
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 10 May 2014 16: 18
    +1
    The technology of the American army, following the example of the American "nation", began to consider itself exceptional, and refuses to obey the operators. laughing
  • Leshka
    Leshka 10 May 2014 16: 25
    +1
    reptile laughing
  • Sigizbarn
    Sigizbarn 10 May 2014 16: 30
    +1
    How, and so far no one has accused GDP and the "green men" of this?
    As the State Department departs from its policy
  • yushch
    yushch 10 May 2014 17: 21
    +3
    Fell and fell, the more intensively they fly, the more likely the occurrence of various emergency situations. We also happen, no one is safe from this.
  • Cossack Ermak
    Cossack Ermak 10 May 2014 18: 06
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    another 300 pieces collapsed. To your own army and ships.
  • zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 10 May 2014 19: 50
    +1
    Which once again proves that only what does not work initially does not break. Where are the liberals ???
  • SkyMaXX
    SkyMaXX 10 May 2014 20: 12
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    Not mistaken this time, they wrote correctly - Harrier attack aircraft, and not a fighter. Although of course he can strike at air targets, he is not capable of winning air superiority, however, like the Yak-38.
    I wonder if VTOL can attack ground targets while in a frozen state, and was it? After all, they have the advantage that they can theoretically strike with guided missiles and hide like helicopters, unlike ordinary attack aircraft. Although I kind of heard that if heavy bombs are hung on the plane, then they do not hang so as not to spend a huge amount of fuel.
    1. supertiger21
      supertiger21 10 May 2014 21: 26
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      Quote: SkyMaXX
      I wonder if VTOL can attack ground targets while in a frozen state, and was it? After all, they have the advantage that they can theoretically strike with guided missiles and hide like helicopters, unlike ordinary attack aircraft


      Yes, it’s possible! But it doesn’t give any benefit, but rather is dangerous for the attacker. At such a moment, Harrier becomes a convenient fixed target.
  • Balamyt
    Balamyt 10 May 2014 21: 10
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    Strange things are happening to me. I watched the movie "Pearl Harbor" a hundred times, but the first time with completely different emotions! For some reason, there is no trace of empathy and sympathy! Are we callous in soul or what? Or is the vile reality the reason?
  • TROG
    TROG 10 May 2014 21: 33
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    and figs with him, do not mind. There would be more such news.