The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 06 May 2014

Nowhere and never have elections been a means of ending the civil war. Civil war is always the result of a colossal split in society. And only negotiations, agreements, compromises can prevent it. And not an election.

“The main goal for France is to ensure the holding of presidential elections in Ukraine on 25 in May,” said French President Francois Hollande. “If they do not happen, chaos and danger of civil war will arise.”

The brutality organized by the Kiev authorities in Odessa does not bring the civil war closer. A massive punitive operation in the Donbas does not bring a civil war. It does not matter what the president of the country says, whose 86% considers him, to say the least, an eccentric - it is important that this is the official position of the United States and the European Union. Given that the Kiev regime's civil war, which had arisen and existed solely by their will, had already begun a civil war.

The day before, in the area of ​​Slavyansk, blocked by a 15-strong military force, during a full-scale battle using heavy armored vehicles and aviationBoth sides suffered heavy casualties killed and wounded. There are numerous casualties among the civilian population. During the battle, two helicopters were shot down by self-defense forces. No objectives of the operation have been achieved. Punitive troops are concentrated for a new attack in the area of ​​the village of Semenovka near Kramatorsk.

S. Poltorak: "We are dealing with a well-armed and organized adversary, who are armed with grenade launchers, machine guns, mortars. People are well-trained, far from Slavic nationality, including."

Avakov: "Tell me directly: there are Chechens."

Finally! More direct - the Arabs! And Slavyansk is inhabited by Afghans. I saw it with my own eyes ... The fact is that these Nazi geeks are continuously lying, hiding the number of victims of their Odessa atrocities. They lie about their combat losses, diminishing them by an order of magnitude. They throw their wounded, shoot at their backs. The fact is that they are professional provocateurs. And no matter what, except for provocations, they are not suitable.

B. Obama: "Russian leaders should know that if they continue to destabilize Ukraine and interfere with the holding of presidential elections this month, we will quickly move on to further steps."

F. Hollande: "The most important goal is to ensure that in Ukraine a president is chosen who will be perceived by the entire population as legitimate."

Russian leaders really have nothing to worry about. May 25 elections will take place, even if they come to some militants Maidan, as it was during the February coup. And the president elected on them will be in the eyes of all kinds of Holland and Obama even more legitimate than the current Turchynov. And the civil war in Ukraine, to their great amazement, will continue incrementally. You can say, war is war, but elections are on schedule.

Comments

[Tatarus]

The mathematical program is ridiculous. Correct a mistake.

[platitsyn70]

it doesn’t smell like peace, there will be war, and after May 11th everything will just begin, it seems to me that the militia will go on the offensive, eastern military units will join the South-East.

[armageddon]

what a peace with the Nazis already made ENOUGH !!!

[1812 1945]

Quote: Armagedon

what a peace with the Nazis already made ENOUGH !!!

The world will be when, from the side of the pind .. Soviet junta, there will NOT be a single living signatory !!!

[S_mirnov]

"
Nowhere and never have any elections been a means of ending the civil war. Civil war is always the result of a colossal division of society. And only negotiations, agreements, compromise can prevent it. And by no means elections. "
The level of domestic journalism is below the plinth! This is generally a complete loss of Bosko!
I hadn’t considered Michael smart before, but now ...
"Civil war is always the result of a colossal division of society." - where is the civil war in Ukraine? Is this 1% of those who came to mobilization points by order of the junta - "a colossal split in society"?
This 1% is a junta that holds power only due to interference in NATO’s Ukrainian affairs.
Eliminate the intervention of foreign states in the internal affairs of Ukraine (block financial flows) and the people will restore order! And just through the elections! Because the people in Ukraine are normal!
And if the Russian Federation can do this, then it needs to be done. And if you can’t do it ...
Well then, all that remains is to listen to the Leontiefs and to smear the snot, that the elections do not solve anything.
Elections do not solve anything only in fascist states where the people are eliminated from ruling the country. Ukrainian fascists are not a state at all, but a staggering puppet.

[EvilLion]

No, everything is right, a compromise, for example, when when the New Russia dumps, and in the remaining territory, any kind of election.

[Parvulus]

This is exactly the case: "... when it doesn't matter how they vote, it matters how they count ...". Who are the accountants?

[Tantalum]

Well, of course you know better from Tula what kind of people in Ukraine and in general it is exactly the same in the SE and in Western women and in Kiev itself. You see every day of them all on the street, you communicate. And in general, only a couple of thousand bastards muzzled the whole country and 40 million are all good as one. And explain at the same time what to call a state in which people are burned alive, and a huge number of two-legged coves are happy about this. If this is not a fascist state, then explain what fascism is in your understanding? But at the same time explain if the Ukrainian people are NOT eliminated from government, then it means that this people wants to kill everyone who does not adhere to their point of view or is eliminated and hold elections honestly there is no way during the civil war?

[S_mirnov]

Quote: Tantal

.You see every day you see them all on the street, communicate

Not every day, but I communicate. Normal people. Or was I just lucky?

Quote: Tantal

And explain at the same time what to call a state in which people are burned alive, and a huge number of two-legged coves are happy about this

This is where you saw a huge amount? On the Maidan? So, scum and fools were brought from all over the country and brought from neighboring countries.

Quote: Tantal

But at the same time explain if the Ukrainian people are NOT eliminated from government, then it means that this people wants to kill everyone who does not adhere to their point of view or is eliminated and hold elections honestly there is no way during the civil war?

Naturally, the people are removed from power, but the junta that seized power is not at all state power, these are gangs fueled from abroad. And before the election it is necessary to interrupt this feed. Further, these formations will starve to death and scatter like Popandopal in different directions.

[Tantalum]

Quote: S_mirnov

Elections do not solve anything only in fascist states where the people are eliminated from ruling the country.

Quote: S_mirnov

Naturally, the people are removed from power, but the junta that seized power is not at all state power, these are gangs fueled from abroad.

You contradict yourself. Decide already
I don’t know if you were lucky only with normal ones or not, but for example I have a lot of relatives there and I know from them and not from the media and normal acquaintances the whole spectrum of moods. By my family I know you understand!

[Anper]

Quote: Tantal

I don’t know if you were lucky on normal ones or not

From Rivne. For all the time of the Maidan, the number of abnormal has increased significantly.
EXAMPLE No. 1. A classmate, by training, is a navigator of a long-distance sailing, a quite successful private entrepreneur, before that he was even an too adequate person:
November - December - Well, now we will join the EU, and we will be happy.
January - February - Get bloody Yanukovych.
April - well, it would be necessary to choose some kind of Youth Council (?) In the leadership. And Russia should be burned out to the Far East. There on the Internet is the prophecy of one Uniate - they (Russia) will not last three weeks.
May (today at the meeting) - we have 500 kilotons (what?), And this is what we’ll do around Russia (how?).
EXAMPLE No. 2. A friend (originally from these places) called from Norilsk today, congratulated on the holiday, said that she had a fight with her mother (a teacher who survived the war, who also lives here), because her mother blamed Russia (and, accordingly, her daughter) for that fascist Russia has betrayed the interests of all front-line soldiers, the entire generation. Why did your grandfather die near Leningrad?
FROM FEBRUARY MONTH I ONLY LISTEN - I DO NOT ENTER THE TALKS.

[Michael_59]

Quote: Anper

For all the time of the Maidan, the number of abnormal increased at times

Maybe they are irradiated with what?

[family tree]

Quote: S_mirnov

Not every day, but I communicate. Normal people. Or was I just lucky?

Lucky, or wanted to be lucky. Normal people, worked nearby, talked normally until the work was over, and not noted. Damn, I have never seen such a blizzard on the territory of the Arkhangelsk region, although I lived there for fifty-two years, and taking into account what kind of international is here ... these shots are completely frostbitten. And it was, before the Maidan.

[Cherdak]

Quote: S_mirnov

Is this 1% of those who came to mobilization points by order of the junta - "a colossal split in society"?

It's just that it all starts.

Gavrilo The principle that soaked Franz and Sofia did not expect such consequences either

[sv68]

s mirn and what do you think is happening on ukroin if not a civil war is still not in the most active phase but alas, it is only a matter of time? The Kiev elections are just an attempt to imitate the existence of laws and legitimate authorities on ukroin

[Igool]

Leontiev, it seems to me, did not mean the elections in general, but the presidential elections scheduled for May 25. This, in my opinion, is obvious. It is these elections that really do not decide anything in Ukrainian society, because There are many priority issues that have not been resolved so far. How do you imagine these elections if a natural war is going on in SE? And the civil war is precisely because issues that could be resolved peacefully, the junta began to be resolved precisely through the armed suppression of the population of SE.

[kreid2]

Unfortunately, in conversations with Kiev relatives this is so.
They consider:
- Putin quietly took Crimea and made a fake referendum;
- Russian troops entered the east.
Encouraging. that they would have spoken well, and he would quietly chop us off. got these Kiev authorities

[vvvvv]

For what the minutes, I did not understand ?! I see criticism of Hollande and M. Leontyev. And after all, in the case.
Or did the minuscars join the Kiev propaganda and want to morally support its significance (the Kiev junta), and the significance of anti-Russian sentiments ?! Or just misunderstood ?! I think it is necessary to say more broadly and everywhere on the contrary that Ukrainians in their mass for Russia and the Kiev junta are just a bunch of bandits imposing force and propaganda. I understood this point, even if it’s not quite so.

[Free Island]

Yesterday, on May 9, on a holy day, scumbags, law enforcement officers and Kiev cops shot a peaceful parade in Mariupol. Is this not a civil war? What is the difference that as you noticed there is only 1% dolbo..ov? well, everything is correct - 1% of the right-wing security men, 10% of the militia - AND ALL THE OTHER POPULATION EATING Lard with a BURNER AND DO NOT INTERVENE ANYWHERE! this is the civil war, when the majority of the population stupidly scored for everything, and one miserable percentage of law enforcement officers of the Turchynov and Yatsenyuhi write the country's history.

[sssss018]

Yes, what Nazis, this herd without clan and tribe, the trap was not when it was not sovereign, under whom they just did not lie, now they have seized power!

[Mih]

I consider it my duty to kill everyone who wears a trident. Psaki are ssaki.

[nikolaev]

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/centerkor_ua/45665175/19915/19915_900.png

[Kars]

Now there are street battles in Mariupol. The punitive battalion of the Dnieper of Kolomoisky is shooting at everything, the police of Mariupol are trying to beat off at the police department.

[Dezinto]

The radio on YouTube - "Donbass is preparing for an assault" - was turned off ... for a reason ..

[avia1991]

Judging by the reports, there are no street battles as such .. I'm just trying to understand why in the big city of Mariupol a handful of militias and militiamen who have found the courage to openly oppose the regime are opposed to punishers, while the rest, at best, "stand up like a human shield"? TO WHOM AND WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE ?! The Natsiks were spitting on the "human shield" - and they would pass over you without thinking too much! "Molotov cocktails" not made of anything? Why do armored vehicles move freely where they want? Why doesn't it burn - everything that broke into the city ?!
Yes, yes - it’s easy to reason, sitting on the couch .. It’s just somehow strange to see HOW exactly the databases are being conducted: Natsik came where they wanted, arrested the militias, and left just as calmly. And the people loudly protest! .. SO YOU DO NOT HEAR.

[Jogan-xnumx]

Kars, Happy Victory Day !!!
By the way, are you still not sick of the Galician-Petlyurovsky yellow-footed footcloth, which is next to your nickname?

[kuzia rocker]

it seems to me that on May 11, during the referendum, a full-scale offensive of Westerners will begin with the support of sabotage detachments of maydanut ueb * s in the form of civilians or in the form of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for provocation and terrorist attacks

[Name]

And what didn’t please this time ... The GDP expressed in the form of a request to Donetsk and Lipetsk, BUT TO KIEV ORIGINALLY, because everything is interconnected:
- termination of punitive;
- Punishment of REAL GUILTY 2 MAY ODESSA;
-the beginning of negotiations;
- payment of debts for consumed (recognized by the EU);
- continuation of the construction of the South Stream.

[Sunjar]

Quote: name

And what didn’t please this time ...

Yes, these are all sorts of defeatist traitors who pretend to be patriots. Give them no bread from the authorities and basically personally accuse Putin of surrendering positions on any issues. This is despite the fact that they do not see anything further than their own penis or boobs, and they do not understand anything in strategy at all. And so: "Oh, Putin asked not to hold a referendum - he betrayed Russia, he surrendered the entire South-East. The truncate is gone, tomorrow they are shooting Gibbs!"

Well, he proposed to postpone the referendum, so they do not postpone it. They themselves are happy to play along, that, look, neither Russia nor Putin decides for us, we decide everything ourselves. From a diplomatic point of view, the move is correct. And the fact that Putin is a skillful and cunning diplomat and strategist has already convinced the whole world, but this is not to be understood by underpatriots.

[sergey261180]

Quote: Sunjar

This is despite the fact that they do not see anything further than their own member or boobs, but they don’t understand anything at all in the strategy.

What is there to understand? The GDP clearly said - Crimea was annexed; we won’t get to the rest of Ukraine. And the fact that there the naive Slavs and Kramatorsk rebelled there thinking that they too would be annexed are their problems. Everything has long been divided between the oligarchs.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: sergey261180

What is there to understand? The GDP clearly said - Crimea was annexed; we won’t get to the rest of Ukraine. And the fact that there the naive Slavs and Kramatorsk rebelled there thinking that they too would be annexed are their problems. Everything has been divided between oligarchs for a long time

GDP per oligarchs us p @ t, has been proven more than once. As for the Southeast, I personally heard about not striving for open armed intervention, which does not at all preclude its possibility and moreover does not call into question the continued support of federalization supporters.

[sergey261180]

Quote: sir.jonn

GDP per oligarchs us p @ t, has been proven more than once. As for the Southeast, I personally heard about not striving for open armed intervention, which does not at all preclude its possibility and moreover does not call into question the continued support of federalization supporters.

And then what is he waiting for? Is it not clear that the rink of extermination of Russians has been launched and the next in line Russia? The only chance is to counterattack. And this must be done quickly, until the Zapadentsy mobilized and deployed troops. The Wahhabis are already pulling up from Saudi Arabia. They will slaughter Russians as in Syria with whole villages and cities. The only chance to avoid this is to urgently send troops to left-bank Ukraine.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: sergey261180

And then what is he waiting for? Is it not clear that the rink of extermination of Russians has been launched and the next in line Russia? The only chance is to counterattack. And this must be done quickly, until the Zapadentsy mobilized and deployed troops. The Wahhabis are already pulling up from Saudi Arabia. They will slaughter Russians as in Syria with whole villages and cities. The only chance to avoid this is to urgently send troops to left-bank Ukraine.

Like you Sergey, I also expect decisive action on the part of GDP. But we are not experts in the theory of behind-the-scenes warfare and should not announce verdicts in events whose finale is not yet known to us. Let's hope for the grand master skills of the GDP and his team in which he already allowed us to be convinced.

[sleepy]

Quote: sir.jonn
"Let's hope for the grandmaster abilities of VVP and his team, which he has already allowed us to be convinced of."

In chess there is a term "intermediate move" which is used
so that the enemy himself drove himself into the zungzwang.

Intermediate move - chess move, non-obvious move, intermediate
and quiet moves, counterattacks, non-standard tactical defense techniques not foreseen in the basic idea of ​​a forced variant or combination.
Intermediate move can: violate preliminary calculations,
change the planned course of events on the chessboard.

Zugzwang (German: Zugzwang “forced to move”) -
chess position in which any player’s move leads
to the deterioration of his position.

Quote: anfil
"The militia captured two Ukrainian Grad anti-aircraft missile systems, Life News reports."

I wonder if the Grad ammunition and related equipment were captured for re-equipment. Then it would make sense to capture.
And so it would be easier to blow up on the spot.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: sleepy

In chess there is a term "intermediate move" which is used
so that the enemy himself drove himself into the zungzwang.

Thank you Sergei for an interesting explanation of the strategy of the "game of death", probably in the comments regarding politics, it is chess terms that are more successful.

[Igool]

These are not installations, but ammunition for them. Here's the link

http://lifenews.ru/news/132930

[mira. 36]

Don’t hysteria. Like women shouted. Can you wind something up in your head? Would you like to wave your wings? You’ve got the flag. Without you, the GDP knows, everything has been calculated for a long time.

[anfil]

Sorry, I forgot to tell you what is waiting.

And on the spot the guys themselves are not a miss, they give the fascists the heat:
Militias captured two Grad installations
In the Luhansk region, militia captured two Ukrainian Grad anti-aircraft missile systems, reports Life News.
Ukrainian Major Roman Kotiy was also captured. The fate of the rest of the people who accompanied the installation is not specified.
According to the captured major, the Grad was sent to the village of Markovka. He was not dedicated to future plans, but, according to the militias, they intercepted the radio communications of the Ukrainian militaryaccording to which Grad was planned to be used soon.
Ukraine continues to lose heavy equipment. So in Mariupol the militia captured the tank today. But during the battle for this city, dozens of people were injured, there are dead. According to official figures, 3 people died in one day in Mariupol, another 25 were injured.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: anfil

Grad anti-aircraft missile launchers

Anti-aircraft missile launchers "Grad" Oh, these media!
Good luck militias and with our Victory Day!

[Cynic]

Quote: sir.jonn

Anti-aircraft missile launchers "Grad"

Well, if any plane is in the range of the Grad shells ...
It’s not enough for him!
(well, they didn’t catch that З it's volley, think )
There already RPGs as MANPADS use and quite successfully.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Cynic

Well, they didn’t catch up, that Z is volley, think

After listening to the news reports, at the beginning of the Bendery operation in Sloviansk, he believed that the militia got it in different ways: an armored personnel carrier; BMP; BMD; tanks and, moreover, in an incomprehensible number of units. Correspondents whose bread reports from the "Hot Fields" would like to wish more detailed knowledge about "The land they plow." Please do not judge my comment harshly, dear war correspondents, in many ways I am not worthy to judge your dangerous trade.

[Mih]

I consider it my duty to kill everyone who wears a trident. Psaki are ssaki.

[cosmos111]

The main people of the Southeast, continues to fight !!!
and VICTORY DAY, OVER the junta MUST COME !!!!

[avia1991]

Quote: sir.jonn

GDP per oligarchs us p @ t, has been proven more than once.

There are not many examples of this .. By the way, your statement is from the category of blue dreams. And it's not the President, it's History, which has convincingly proved, more than once and not twice, that the world is ruled by supercapital, and not superpowers. And Russia is no exception, because cannot exist autonomously for now, and it is unlikely that they will allow us.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: avia1991

Quote: sir.jonn

GDP per oligarchs us p @ t, has been proven more than once.

There are not many examples of this ..

Yes, more than in any of our beloved democratic powers. Anyway, with whom to compare? Just for God's sake don't make me look for examples and facts

Quote: avia1991

that the world is ruled by supercapital, not superpowers

The USSR and the entire former social bloc are a clear example contrary to your statement. But the Western oligarchy played a significant role in the success of the Soviet Union, and I cannot oppose anything to this.

[_my opinion]

"One shouldn't give a damn about the norms of international law, because this is the only thing that is holding humanity from large-scale military conflicts today. The remnants of international law, our" geopolitical friends "are just going to dismantle. More recently, if you remember, they bombed states without any whatever the UN resolutions. Today they manage to keep them from this, at least in Syria. But let's remember our hockey match with the Americans at the Sochi Olympics. The goalkeeper pushed back the gate a little - a goal was scored, but the referee did not count it. That is, the main one in the game - a judge, and the West takes this role for itself all the time. They will evaluate the actions. Therefore, in a complex geopolitical game, we must not forget that the West is both a rival and a judge. The refereeing will always not be in our favor. Therefore, we must be extremely careful. But experience tells us: if we do something in our interests, the West will always be against it. " N. Starikov
and I agree with him.

[aleks700]

Bitter, but true.

[ver_]

The boa constrictes the alligator ... slowly, although it has good teeth and is almost commensurate in size ... and ... it successfully digests it ... by the way, and the tiger too ... The moral of this fable is this - hurry - you make people laugh ...

[sv68]

sergei261180-PEOPLE JUST DO NOT WANT TO LIVE BY THE FASCISS'S INSTRUCTION AND TAKE THE ANTI-PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY WITH EASY SENDERS OF PADS TO KILL PEACEFUL PEOPLE, NOT HOW YOU DECIDED TO JOIN ORIGIN

[sergey261180]

Quote: sv68

PEOPLE JUST DO NOT WANT TO LIVE UNDER THE FASCISS 'INSTRUCTION AND TAKE ANTI-PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY WITH EASY SENDING PADDLES TO KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE, AND NOT HOW YOU DECIDED TO JOIN RUSSIA

That's the tragedy that people’s opinion is garbage. And the desire to join Russia is the only chance to be saved. Only the authorities apparently do not need this.

[Cynic]

Quote: sergey261180

Only the authorities apparently do not need this.

This is exactly what the authorities need!
Ossetia survived the West, as a type of sovereign state, and will survive the DNI.

[avia1991]

God grant that everything is so. "Under-patriots" are apparently those who think DIFFERENT than you .. only "repatriotism", sir, is no less harmful. Anyone can be wrong, and the locksmith - and the President. Only the consequences of these errors differ by several orders of magnitude! And therefore - let us wish the President not to be mistaken, and we will not imagine ourselves to be great all-knowing strategists.

[mamont5]

Quote: name

- payment of debts for consumed (recognized by the EU);

That's just Ukraine does not recognize. More precisely, there is no money and is not expected. Even the first tranche of the IMF is not enough.

[Name]

Quote: mamont5

That's just Ukraine does not recognize. Or rather there is no money

So already for .... that same:Since June 2014, Russia has been introducing a prepayment regime for gas supplies for Ukraine, the head of the Ministry of Energy, Alexander Novak, told reporters.- but remember that the EU recognized Ukraine’s debts ... and now, however, manure has been collected ... Russia to be hauled up again ... Pardon the US ...

[The point]

Quote: mamont5

Even the first tranche of the IMF is not enough.

just gave a little

[1812 1945]

Quote: name

And what didn’t please this time ... The GDP expressed in the form of a request to Donetsk and Lipetsk, BUT TO KIEV ORIGINALLY, because everything is interconnected:
- termination of punitive;
- Punishment of REAL GUILTY 2 MAY ODESSA;
-the beginning of negotiations;
- payment of debts for consumed (recognized by the EU);
- continuation of the construction of the South Stream.

The main thing is not what Putin says for gay-speaking hollow-bones singing under a pind .. Soviet pipe, but what does ... Let's believe ...

[1812 1945]

"The NATO Secretary General considers Putin's visit to Crimea 'inappropriate." - All people on planet Earth, not in NATO countries (and many in NATO countries) consider the very fact of the birth of the NATO Secretary General and the existence of NATO as a misunderstanding! .................. .................................................. ...

...
............ "The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine has expressed a strong protest in connection with the visit of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin to Crimea on May 9, which was not coordinated with Ukraine." - An insult to the Diplomatic Corps - to call the Ministry of Foreign Affairs a bunch of bastards - half-educated people with a bad pronunciation (whatever language they speak) appointed by the junta to perform such duties. Diplomats have not been there all 23 years of "independence"! It's all about who Putin and Lavrov have to deal with ..................................... .............................. PS As for the diplomats, I am not judging from anyone's words, but I have watched this audience for more than one year .............

[isidorenko4145]

so in step 2, everything will have to end for the junta. Everything is logical that they did not support.

[DNR]

GDP did everything right by asking to postpone the referendum.
I think there was no doubt in the GDP that the referendum would not be canceled. But the fact that the leadership of the DPR did not cancel the referendum at the request of Russia showed the world that the DPR makes decisions on its own, without any indication. Thus, knocking out a few more trump cards from the junta on the eve of the referendum itself.
Now, if it is successful, nothing will prevent it from being recognized, because "they asked to postpone it, but they themselves decided to hold a referendum. And we respect the people's choice" ...

[lex12a]

a mistake in your brain, it seems. and it’s very difficult to fix it ...

[kuzia rocker]

French razier * ashili- Germans razhe * ashil mattresses raz * ashim if we continue to live * will learn to teach !!! (* B)

[Tatarus]

When the article was just posted there was a typo. In vain I pointed out a mistake. Here is an example of how harmful it is to consider yourself smarter than the rest.

[bomg.77]

My father always said, "It's hard to live when you know a lot." In my youth, I did not understand this, but now I do not fully understand it, but I also feel discomfort from close people!

[Tatarus]

We need to hold on to the mind.
One who is more reasonable to win.

[Alexey N]

Judging only by the organized, friendly work of the Western media, the situation in Ukraine is a new crusade of the West against Russia. Vile Western "civilization"! And they have been preparing for more than one year ... And they chose the year of the Olympiad.

[Baikal]

In general, only for the battered Olympics would they snitch at the snout.
We are waiting for the Olipiad in the United States and the referendum in Mesica.

[Al_lexx]

Better in Panama. Let them swim around Cape Horn.

And at the expense of their borders, because Texas is a native Mexican territory. It is there that they hold a referendum on joining Mexico.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Al_lexx

Better in Panama. Let them swim around Cape Horn.

And at the expense of their borders, because Texas is a native Mexican territory. It is there that they hold a referendum on joining Mexico.

Not only Texas, but also Southern California and a number of southern territories. It is not necessary to immediately join Mexico, for a start, the withdrawal of Hispanic states from the United States.
The Yankees will not immediately become world hegemony.

[koshh]

Quote: PENZYAC

but also Southern California and a number of southern territories

Sorry, but these territories were developed by RUSSIAN settlers who lived in peace and friendship with the local population, as well as in Alaska.

[Al_lexx]

Quote: koshh

Quote: PENZYAC

but also Southern California and a number of southern territories

Sorry, but these territories were developed by RUSSIAN settlers who lived in peace and friendship with the local population, as well as in Alaska.

This is exactly what I meant by omitting them from the list. Well, that is, whatever they dig to us.
Relatively speaking, they are running into Texas, then it will be possible to talk about everything else.

[Al_lexx]

Although, of course nonsense.
On the loop.

[Sid.74]

Quote: PENZYAC

Not only Texas, but also Southern California and a number of southern territories.

California is the territory of Alaska's supply! Do not forget this comrade !!! And the flag of California must be seen, it is not so simple !!!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Sid.74

Quote: PENZYAC

Not only Texas, but also Southern California and a number of southern territories.

California is the territory of Alaska's supply! Do not forget this comrade !!! And the flag of California must be seen, it is not so simple !!!

A bear walking after hibernation to his homeland ... (and very evil ..) Everything can be ...)))

[andj61]

Beautiful, of course, but historically the south of the USA fought with the north. South called KSA - Confederate States of America.
Confederation ideas in the South are still popular.

[Cynic]

Quote: andj61

but historically the south of the USA fought with the north.

Historically, the North fought with the South, since the South already got these consumers for free of their raw materials and he decided to live separately.
The result is known.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Mikhailo burns, as usual. Does Oland fit in with what topic? Does she want to earn money by gruel? What kind of nonsense do they get into our territory of influence. Or do they feel their immediate outcome?

[pensioner]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Oland here what topic fits in?

Classical: the performer of the fifth wheel in a cart, a symbol of the alienness and worthlessness of the EU as a peacemaker in Ukraine, the apotheosis of "tolerance", which in Ukraine results in indulging in the revival of fascism. A kind of soft and light-faced ghoul. I think so.
Happy holiday to you and all your relatives Dima!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Happy holiday to you and all your relativesYura! And you With Victory!

[Penzyac]

Quote: dmitrij.blyuz

Michael burns ... What the hell do they climb into our territory of influence. Or feel their immediate outcome?

Ukraine is not the territory of our influence, but the original Russian land. Ukraine is our Kosovo field.

[asar]

Oland, the patron saint of sexual minorities, obviously climbed not his gates! Sverbet, you bastard!

[Tatarus]

Quote: Alexey N

new crusade of the west to Russia

And it will end traditionally. Stars for the Crusaders.

[pts-m]

And it will be a grave for the “crusaders of shit-democrats" -Black Sea! It is correctly said "who comes to us with a sword, will die by the sword!"

[Very old]

All members of the forum - with the Victory Day!

Our all fought, not all returned,
We remember the Fathers and Grandfathers, we will pass on our memory to generations
Memory, memory ... They did not die - live in each of us

People’s Commissar for everyone!

[Baikal]

B. Obama: "Russian leaders should know that if they continue to destabilize Ukraine and interfere with the holding of presidential elections this month, we will quickly move on to further steps."

I am sure that a lot of people in Ukraine got these politicians. They will later say that the Russians are destabilizing ... Well, yes, the Russians are destabilizing) They are also Russians in Ukraine))
In general, it is clear that they want to take "further steps" in any case. The reason is not important.
However, I think that in the end they will sit on the hedgehog.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

It seems to start coming true ... Well, God forbid!

[Baikal]

Guys, I understand that everything is burning in the firebox ... But there are educated people, why all these fortunetellers and other charlatans with crooks. There is no such thing

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Baikal

Guys, I understand that everything is burning in the firebox ... But there are educated people, why all these fortunetellers and other charlatans with crooks. There is no such thing

I also don’t particularly believe, and yet ..About the strength of spirit and spirituality is very accurately predicted ..

[Baikal]

Questions of fortitude and spirituality are very important for us, but they relate to the sphere of culture and self-awareness.
If everyone begins to sacredly believe all sorts of psychics on TV - this will be the finish.
Gentlemen minus - remember the story. The heyday of crooks (mediums, fortune tellers, psychics, alternative specialists, etc. rushers) ALWAYS fall on troubled times and is the result of the decomposition and illiteracy of that part of societywho eats this heresy with pleasure

If you believe in sorcerers and magicians, why are you surprised that in Ukraine the population believes the junta and ukrosmi. You have to start with yourself, dear ones.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Baikal

Gentlemen minus - remember the story. The heyday of crooks (mediums, fortune tellers, psychics, alternative specialists, etc. rushers)

I didn’t minus you (yet), but I’ll be teasing; not political officer by the case? We tried a controversial thought on our unsullied consciousness: it doesn't fit, well, thank God! Hating perestroika, inspired by the ideology that it was induced, I personally welcome the opportunity to receive the entire spectrum of information in unfiltered form.

[Baikal]

Plyusanul you (for now) for malice and doubt. I welcome the whole range of information. Information as facts, not grandma's hoots))
Not a politician even once. And my consciousness is neither better nor worse than yours. I just try to work on it and be guided by sanity, not by elves.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Baikal

Questions of fortitude and spirituality are very important for us, but they relate to the sphere of culture and self-awareness.
If everyone begins to sacredly believe all sorts of psychics on TV - this will be the finish.
Gentlemen minus - remember the story. The heyday of crooks (mediums, fortune tellers, psychics, alternative specialists, etc. rushers) ALWAYS fall on troubled times and is the result of the decomposition and illiteracy of that part of societywho eats this heresy with pleasure

If you believe in sorcerers and magicians, why are you surprised that in Ukraine the population believes the junta and ukrosmi. You have to start with yourself, dear ones.

Blind faith is a sign of stupidity, and doubt is the engine of knowledge. Although, only corpses do not believe in anything.
I want to believe that everything will be fine ...

[asar]

We all live in hope in Goodness, Justice! This, I hope, is not quackery?

[Baikal]

If you and I will help each other in difficult times, together we won’t give offense to the weak - I think this is Good and all good.
If I come to you in the bazaar with the goal of fortune-telling on the hand, this is Quackery.
And if you give me a snout for this - also Justice

[Cynic]

Quote: PENZYAC

I want to believe that everything will be fine ...

I want to KNOW that everything will be fine.

[Cynic]

Quote: Baikal

If you believe in sorcerers and magicians, why

May people not believe them! They believe what they said _ That everything will be GOOD!

[major071]

 Baikal
Guys, I understand that everything is burning in the firebox ... But there are educated people, why all these fortunetellers and other charlatans with crooks. There is no such thing

You may or may not believe, but the predictions are made by people. And it is within our power to bring the victory of Russia closer — by our actions, in our own words, by our position. Nobody will bring us peace on a silver platter. Only we ourselves can make predictions come true. IMHO.

[Baikal]

Your comment (and not only) is a wonderful example for writing a detailed article on this topic.
Thank you.

[Strezhevchanin]

Quote: Baikal

There is no such

We were born to make a fairy tale come true, already doing !!!

[Baikal]

Well, you must admit, it's one thing to bring the legendary "March of the Aviators" to life, and another thing is the delirium of another Paraska woman or card sharper Globa

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Baikal

to bring to life the legendary "March of the Aviators"

I like the lines in this march:
"Trust us: for every ultimatum
The air fleet will be able to answer! "
In military unit # 32937 it was our "drill".

[Sid.74]

Quote: Baikal

or card sharper Globa

Oh, a stone in my garden, well, I kind of said that I posted info about Globa so to laugh!
I think there is still a lot of inexplicable in our world, maybe science simply did not find an explanation for these “miracles”? After all, I remember the Parisian Academy of Sciences argued that a steam locomotive could not go smooth wheels on smooth rails and arrogantly ridiculed this invention!
And remember Jules Verne! His amazing prediction of the submarine, the landing of a man on the moon! And the fact that about six months before the tragedy, the story described the fate of Titinik with an almost complete coincidence of the number of victims and the unfortunate iceberg! A lot of wonderful things in our world!

[Baikal]

Thank you very interesting comment.
And sorry for the encroachment on the integrity of your garden
However - all the predictions you described are mainly related to technological progress and, being in the subject, the main trends are not difficult to predict.
However, in the future I will definitely try to touch upon this.

[Sid.74]

Quote: Baikal

And sorry for the encroachment on the integrity of your garden

Well, as for me, science, faith, metaphysics, philosophy are all closely intertwined!
I don’t dare say that there is no foresight as a fact! It’s just that any bright facts of foresight foresaw an overwhelming number of myths that it’s impossible to determine where the fiction is and where the fact is! Can everyone see the future, imagine how the technology will develop, I think not! as if he was in the future!

[ver_]

Nobody has ever landed on the moon ... besides moon rovers ...

[family tree]

Quote: Baikal

Well, you must admit, it's one thing to bring to life the legendary "March of the Aviators", and another thing is the delirium of another woman Paraska or card sharper Globa laughing

Achoa ?! If delirium coincides with desire and possibilities, why not translate?

[Baikal]

The danger of delirium is in erroneous motivation.
In my humble opinion - you must always know what banner you are carrying

[Anper]

Quote: Baikal

There is no such

I have a very negative attitude to all kinds of psychics. Only about Vanga there is one thought all the time - I remember very well how, some time ago, we laughed at the media, whose roof was blown off: according to Vanga's prediction, a misfortune should have happened - Kursk would go under water. they even looked at the map and figured out which side it could be flooded from. Even looked at the seismic and meteo data. Tied to the NPP. TV plot I even remember how they run around Kursk and ask the residents how they feel about this prediction. Then they successfully forgot for a long time. And then the Kursk went under water.

[Baikal]

+
Thanks for the comment. In the planned article I will try to touch on this topic.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Baikal

In the planned article I will try

Do not forget the case from the XNUMXth century. A.S. Pushkin was predicted by the famous fortuneteller of German origin Alexandra Kirchhoff at that time: “Maybe you will live a long time, but on the 37th year watch out for the white man, the white horse, or the white head. ”

[Penzyac]

Quote: Baikal

Guys, I understand that everything is burning in the firebox ... But there are educated people, why all these fortunetellers and other charlatans with crooks. There is no such thing

How old is humanity, and how much is still ahead !!!
Human science is too young and too little to claim that it already knows everything about human capabilities, as well as much more. So everything can be ...

[andrewvlg]

Quote: PENZYAC

Human science is too young and too little to claim that it already knows everything about human capabilities, as well as much more. So everything can be ...

No doubt, science does not stand still ...
But all the charlatans who claimed to be something proved their inconsistency with numerous attempts to "predict", "read the past", etc.
Charlatan Wanga has already been "pierced" more than once, because of her fame and popularity, idle people had the opportunity to compare her "clairvoyance" with real events in the past.
Specifically, I personally feel sorry for Wang, because her childhood and youth were extremely difficult. However, even more sorry are the gullible simpletons who were trying to recover from a woman whose husband died of relatively young cirrhosis (alcoholism).
If a "clairvoyant", and not a clever charlatan, really suddenly appears, he must prove his abilities in the course of the simplest honest experiment. So far modern history does not know such.

[Baikal]

So far, recent history does not know such.

Truly so! Bravo

[bigELDAK]

+ set, let’s stick Pavel Glob here here and will NICE READ COMMENTS OF MILITARY REVIEW.

[Cynic]

Quote: Baikal

There is no such

In addition to such words, you need to knock on the tree and be sure to spit three times over your left shoulder!

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Guys, I understand that everything is burning in the firebox ...-Something is right, countryman. But you must admit, we do not just believe in it, we know that it should be so, and will be.

[mig31]

Do not call the Natsik gang, the gang-gang and stay. I believe that NATO is also a gang, so there is no need to rely on justice, it must be won, and what will be done in the Southeast by its people.

[Corsair]

Quote: mig31

Do not call the Natsik gang, the gang-gang and stay.

[sergey261180]

The only problem he has is that his salary is low. They would pay normally, like in the Black Water PMC - they would have reached Moscow without a bazaar.

[mamont5]

Quote: sergey261180

They would pay normally, like in the Black Water PMC - they would have reached Moscow without a bazaar.

Let me doubt it. Tortured to reach. Dies on the way.

[koshh]

Quote: sergey261180

They would pay normally, like in the Black Water PMC - they would have reached Moscow without a bazaar.

M ... yes, maybe not in this life. And most likely not at all.

[brelok]

Quote: sergey261180

The only problem he has is that his salary is low. They would pay normally, like in the Black Water PMC - they would have reached Moscow without a bazaar.

nobody has won a war for money yet. strange people serve dill in the army - follow the orders of bandits and outright traitors

[With Petrovsky]

This freak only holds back a low salary.

[asar]

It seems, and not quite sober, "warrior"!

[kartalovkolya]

No need to look for errors and typos, but you need to understand the essence of what is happening! Yes, we have a massive offensive directed primarily against the entire Russian, Slavic world by the darkest forces whose main task has not changed from year to year, from century to century. Since the time of Alexander Nevsky, the West has constantly tested the strength of Russia with the blessing of the Catholic Church. And then and now among the enemies of the people of Ukraine are mercenaries from Europe and from the Anglo-Saxon world! But they won’t wait for our brothers to bow their heads in front of this rabble, as evidenced by the last CSTO meeting. Glory to the people of the South-East of Ukraine! A referendum, which residents of the South-East of Ukraine will never refuse, will soon put everything in its place!

[Manul49]

"Memorial events in Normandy will be dedicated to an extremely important historical event," Carney said. "It reflects the tremendous sacrifice of many countries, including the United States and the Soviet Union, which was an ally in the fight against Nazism during World War II."

Yeah, Europe fell under the Nazis almost without resistance. The mattresses sat out overseas, and when the USSR was already killing Hitler, they landed,
b ....!

They would have landed back in 1946. And now they are screaming about their "sacrifice".

[AleksPol]

They sacrificed, like rams leading to slaughter. Whereas the Russians fought to the last, sparing no life. HOLIDAY DEAR VETERANS.

[asar]

And our troops, not sparing themselves, went on the offensive in order to draw off most of the fascists, when the Yankes and others were "stuck" in the "meat grinder" in the Ardennes! For some reason they don’t remember this, u.r.o.d. are forgetful!

[Lelek]

The only wrong decision of our command at the end of the war was to stop on the Elbe and wait for a meeting with the "allies" for almost two days. It seems so to me.

[Penzyac]

Quote: AleksPol

They sacrificed, like rams leading to slaughter. Whereas the Russians fought to the last, sparing no life. HOLIDAY DEAR VETERANS.

No need so indiscriminately, they also had all sorts. In concentration camps, not only Soviet people and Jews were killed, but also other Europeans of all nationalities, including Germans. Fascist degenerates destroyed the best representatives of all peoples there.
WITH A HOLIDAY, DEAR VETERANS ANTIFASCHIS OF ALL COUNTRIES!

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Manul49

And now they are screaming about their "sacrifice".

Well, well, they sincerely believe that they "gave" Eastern Europe "to Uncle Joe."

[Lelek]

On May 9, in England, at a meeting of our veterans with the veterans of the northern convoys, the British said: "The Russians won the victory, and we only helped them." This statement is worth a lot. comes from the mouths of war veterans who saw dirt, blood and death.

[Turkir]

Are these "winners" American? Or French?
How many of them?
Adhered to our Victory.

[Penzyac]

Quote: Manul49

...
Yeah, Europe fell under the Nazis almost without resistance.
...

So the Nazis do not yet kill them, they do not wreak havoc and destruction, not as in 1936 - 1945.
The USA and Europe have snickered, and on this basis they now have a dream of reason.

[Same lech]

It is clear that the next henchman of the Kiev junta will be elected on May 25 ... who will be as legitimate as the current junta.
The rate KYIV is MADE ON WAR and not on peace talks.
Recently, I see that KIEV has adopted the most dirty methods of warfare (they try to kill using law enforcement officers dressed as militias, they commit crimes and blame everything on popular resistance ... a technique known since 1939 on the Polish border. ... UKRAINIAN GOBELS-TURCHINOV is no better than Hitler's scum-DEATH THEM for killing civilians)

[sazhka4]

War is war, and lunch is on schedule. I wonder who "feeds". Whom, how, and why? Russians understand .. Do the rest of the brains? Maybe We live in Another World?



















... Djqyf djqyjq

[Turk]

Quote: Alexey N

Judging only by the organized, friendly work of the Western media, the situation in Ukraine is a new crusade of the West against Russia. Vile Western "civilization"! And they have been preparing for more than one year ... And they chose the year of the Olympiad.

+10000. Their media are the smallest in the world.

[both s69]

Happy Great, but such a Hard Victory, dear WWII veterans, and participants in this forum! I wish you all health, happiness and all the best in life. We will (at least from time to time) remember in our hearts the names of those people who died in the fields of that War, in the name of the fact that we now live in peace and prosperity. Eternal memory to them! The Kingdom of Heaven and Eternal Peace! ..

[andrei332809]

[quote "The main goal for France is to ensure the holding of presidential elections in Ukraine on May 25," announced French President Francois Hollande.]