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“In two or three days we will be able to reach Kiev”

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“In two or three days we will be able to reach Kiev”Two former chiefs of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia shared their views with the newspaper VIEW on a possible peacekeeping operation of the Russian troops in Ukraine. A number of other retired military men believe that the Ukrainian army will not offer serious resistance, but Russia should not interfere in what is happening anyway.


Ex-chief of intelligence of the Ministry of Defense group in Chechnya, retired Major General Sergei Kanchukov explained to the VIEW newspaper that in order to block the Donbass from militant attacks, only four units would be needed: two or three special forces brigades (GRU special forces, polite people). ) to block the offensive of the Kiev forces and one or two motorized rifle brigades to create a protected perimeter around the protected areas.

“We do not mean the conduct of hostilities, but only a peacekeeping operation. Therefore, there will be enough special operations forces - special forces brigades. These are people on the same "Tigers" and motorized infantry units assigned to them on an armored troop-carrier or airborne troops. Plus, you will need air support by helicopter, FSB Border Service facilities to control the administrative border, and internal troops to maintain security on the territory. And the local self-defense forces, together with the local Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Donbass people's militia and other security forces of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, must disarm the Right Sector and all other militants, ”the former intelligence chief explained.

According to him, all the parts listed are ready within an hour after the order to begin the combat mission, and after a few hours - to complete it. “In a few hours it is possible to block everything - a landing takes place by helicopters, it blocks all main directions by roadblocks. After this comes the infantry. Disarmament is carried out by the militia. It is enough to set up roadblocks, and then they act with the support of the Russian troops - that is, the militia carry out, and the Russian troops only cover up and support, ”Kanchuk outlined a possible scenario for the introduction of troops.

He also expressed confidence that the Ukrainian units in the event of such a development of events will not offer resistance and even switch to their side. “The Ukrainian Armed Forces will surrender in places of permanent deployment and will not resist the peacekeeping forces. In case of resistance, adequate measures are taken, ”the major general suggested.

"In two or three days the army will be able to reach Kiev"

Vice-President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Captain of the first rank of the reserve Konstantin Sivkov also told the VIEW newspaper that no one will provide strong resistance to the Russian troops in Ukraine.

“For this we need people who are ready to fight, and not a few people who have shot and fled. If there is resistance, I don’t think it will be very strong. It is possible that there will be problems in overcoming the canals and ditches that have been digging there, but I also think that they will simply bypass them. Therefore, in a day or two, a maximum of two or three days, the Russian army will be able to reach Kiev, ”said Sivkov.

He explained that the lack of large-scale military operations using regular units proves that there are no military in Ukraine who agree to shoot at their fellow citizens and die for the political ambitions of Kiev politicians.

“If there were such people, they would have long ago liquidated all roadblocks in Slavyansk. This is not the Terrible, in which a very powerful barrier system was created and where a huge amount of weapons. There is nothing like that in Slavyansk, only barricades. If a tank or a barrage vehicle goes to such a barricade, they will demolish it and not even notice it. So the Ukrainian military, having Tanks, could calmly enter the city, take office buildings. But they do not! And why? Are they afraid of Russia? No, they’ve already sent armored vehicles to Slavyansk. But these armored vehicles went over to the side of the rebels. So there is only one conclusion: the troops can stand in cordon, but they do not want to go to war. Moreover (the Ukrainian military) are sitting there without food, their “militias” feed them, ”Sivkov explained.
He added that in order to liberate the Southeast, the Russian army would not have to use “the most modern types of weapons”, it’s just “just enter there”. “These are our people and our equipment, we just return it to ourselves, so why should we bomb them with rockets?” We will negotiate, ”explained the expert.

"And there will be a border of division of Ukraine"

At the same time, Sivkov explained that if Russia would send troops to Ukraine, the response could be followed by NATO. “The NATO troops can move in an accelerated march towards us. In the zone of contact between the Russian and NATO troops, and there will be a border dividing Ukraine. The greatest risk is the possibility of a fire clash between them, since this will inevitably lead to the need for Russian use of nuclear weapons: Europe’s land forces are almost 10 times Russian, and we will not have another way out, ”Sivkov said.

According to him, in the event of NATO intervention, military operations in Ukraine will be "a classic military operation using ground equipment, intelligence suppression means, fire support from the air, with conquering air supremacy, landing, assault bridgeheads." “Conversations that such wars have already ended are conversations of amateurs. They never ended. Such an operation was in Iraq, ”the expert explained.

At the same time, Sivkov noted that NATO obviously would not go to such a scenario, since "there are not complete idiots to enter into a full-scale conflict with Russia." “So, most likely, the case will end in a local conflict, and the actions will be local, there will be no general mobilization to NATO. The whole operation will take no weeks or months, we are talking about hours, in the most serious case - a day, nothing more, ”suggested Sivkov.

The former head of the General Bureau of the Armed Forces, Army General Yuri Baluyevsky, explained to the VIEW newspaper that there are no conditions for intervention by the Russian army in Ukraine, although blood has already been shed there and militiamen are dying.

“If we make a decision on the use of peacekeeping forces, then this must necessarily be international forces, including from NATO countries, and in this case we will get what we have today. To introduce peacekeepers within the CIS, you need the consent of other CIS countries. But no one does not hold any consultations in this direction. The same Turchinov asked for the entry of NATO forces into Ukraine as peacekeeping forces, ”explained Baluyevsky.

According to him, the situation is aggravated by the fact that different forces in the southeastern regions act separately. “While there is no single impulse, there is no clear unity in actions, for example, of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions, the position of the Kharkiv region is not clear. There are their own defense forces, the militia in the Luhansk, Donetsk region, someone in Odessa is making a fuss, but all this is scattered, ”the ex-Chief of the General Staff explained.

According to Baluyevsky, “the only legitimate president, Viktor Yanukovych,” could unite the militia and call upon Moscow for help, but now “it is not audible and not visible.” “According to the logic, a legitimate president in the person of Yanukovich would just have to unite all these areas into a single, well-organized, at least in words, force that would put forth clear requirements that would cause an understanding in South-Eastern Ukraine. But so far it does not clearly sound, ”noted Baluyevsky.

"Blow down now a single Slavic people"

At the same time, Baluyevsky stressed that he could not allow even the thought that an "armed confrontation of the Russian army with the armed forces of the Ukrainian people could begin." “Our yesterday’s partners in the face of the United States and NATO are doing everything to set off a single Slavic people now, push Russia and Ukraine together, Ukraine today is a small thing in the big game. But why should we interfere there? On what basis? Not a single item, prescribed in the “Law on Defense”, is appropriate. Of course, there is an 2 clause of the 10 article - to protect Russian citizens. Is this if someone from the Russians is captured and held, as an NTV correspondent with a Belarusian passport? But I am sure that the same Avakov will understand and let go, ”said Baluyevsky.

The former chief of the General Staff reminded about the estimates of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, voiced on Thursday: the number of the Ukrainian group that participates in the operation against the militia is 11 thousand "armed people diluted by the Right Sector", which depict the armed forces of Ukraine. At the same time they are opposed by two thousand militiamen. ”

“The ratio, roughly speaking, is one to five, and according to all the canons, the side that is greater must win. But there have been cases when a large-scale army suffered defeats. After all, who are these 11 thousands? This is not the army that will execute the “fire to kill” command on its people, it will shoot at its neighbor, its countryman. Even with these Bandera all is not lost: when the militia takes them and is expelled, they have completely different faces. Therefore, there is no need for us to interfere in this, ”added Baluyevsky.

“We need a clearly defined goal of the operation”

According to Baluyevsky, the only possible and affordable option so far is the one that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov chose: to ensure that the entire world community, “where there are still no people who have lost their mind”, “saw who is behind those today fighting with his people, and how the Ukrainian people protect their land, their children. "

“While heavy weapons, airplanes, helicopters, tanks have not yet been directed at people,” the expert added. - So, something still holds them! I think that it also holds the responsibility before the world community, the Hague court or another tribunal, because then it will inevitably be in such a case, ”stressed Baluyevsky.

According to the ex-chief of the General Staff, now the leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense "is doing everything right" - is monitoring the situation and demonstrating "the ability and determination of the Russian Armed Forces to stand up for their interests, to ensure the security of their borders and citizens." “If I were now in the chair of the Chief of the General Staff, I would have done the same,” Baluyevsky admitted to the VIEW of the newspaper.

His successor as chief of the General Staff, the author of the current appearance of the Russian Armed Forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, also explained to the newspaper VIEW that it is too early to talk about possible scenarios.

“We need a clearly formulated goal (of a military operation). When it is known, then it will be possible to talk about what forces and means are necessary for its realization. What is the goal, we do not know. Now any predictions will be hypothetical, and hypothetically any possible developments are possible, ”explained Makarov to the VIEW.
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  1. Keeper
    Keeper April 29 2014 08: 14
    +16
    When everyone is taken to extremes, they will reach faster!
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 April 29 2014 08: 24
      +3
      Quote: Keeper
      When everyone is taken to extremes, they will reach faster!

      Are bets accepted? The day before Lamberg. Rivno we will equalize the soil, Stanislav will be ironed out for a day. They have not seen the "polite people" in anger yet
      1. shark
        shark April 29 2014 08: 51
        +71
        Enough already throwing hats. I remember someone, very stellar, was going to take Grozny with the forces of one tank regiment. Excuse me, but put you a minus, because there is nothing more terrible than not underestimating the enemy. All the more surprising are the words of the so-called experts. When the brave special forces The GRU in "Tigers" disperses the Maidan in half an hour ... Only serious work: analytics based on thorough intelligence activities, careful actions and no Cossack lava. Polite people must also be protected.
        1. Magadan
          Magadan April 29 2014 10: 22
          +39
          I fully support! Moreover, they found something to rejoice at! Just as we are fighting with the Ukrainians - our own people, so that all sorts of pravoseki, Natsiks and other Austro-Polish servants from the Galician regions would not yell.
          Not guys - even in a terrible dream I don’t want to see how even hypothetically ours begin to kill Ukrainian soldiers who began to resist.
          It is clear that it will be necessary to send troops if the junta decides to repeat the Saakashvile feats. But I definitely won’t be happy about it.
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          2. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN April 29 2014 13: 16
            +8
            Again, deliberately or accidentally substituting concepts? Where in the article is written about the war with the Ukrainians? It is written about the disarmament of the bandits of the Right Sector-the National Guard .......... And the fact that the bulk of the army will remain neutral at best says the example of the Crimea ........... All or sided Russia or quietly disarmed and sent home!
            1. Irkit
              Irkit April 29 2014 14: 29
              +2
              Promise to the right-wingers!
          3. dmitrij.blyuz
            dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 13: 54
            +1
            “In a few hours, you can block everything - helicopters land an air force, block all the main areas of roadblocks. After that comes the infantry. Disarmament is carried out by militia forces. It is enough to set up roadblocks, and then they operate with the support of Russian troops - that is, the militias carry out, and the Russian troops only cover and support ============== Is it all too bravely voiced? War, is it not teachings. From the words of the former, everything turns out to be a bundle. Reality may be different.
            1. creak
              creak April 29 2014 15: 22
              +2
              It was smooth on paper ... Well, where does this eternal hap-covering syndrome come from? How much blood it cost us in the past and everything is useless - and again great: "But from the taiga to the British seas, the Red Army is the strongest, we will take Kiev in two or three days ..." Office special forces ...
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 April 29 2014 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: shark
          careful actions and no Cossack lava.

          you don’t feel the patriotism, the 25 brigade is dead in your soul. education is not enough.
        3. svp67
          svp67 April 29 2014 12: 16
          +1
          Quote: shark
          Terrible forces of one tank regiment
          Not a tank, but a landing ... Although in fact I agree ..
          to block the Donbass from attack by militants, only four formations will be required: two or three special-purpose brigades (GRU special forces, “polite people” - approx. LOOK) to block the Kiev offensive, and one or two motorized rifle brigades to create a guarded perimeter around the protected areas.
          This is not enough, if only to create a thin "red line", but it is also necessary to create a depth of defense. The Ukrainian military forces are not as weak as it seems now. I hope our intelligence keeps the 1st separate tank brigade from the town of Goncharovsk in the Chernihiv region "under a hood" ... It can bring a lot of trouble.
        4. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 29 2014 12: 24
          +3
          Quote: shark
          Stop throwing hats already.

          The people themselves will determine their heroes
        5. jktu66
          jktu66 April 29 2014 12: 33
          +4
          Only serious work: analytics based on thorough intelligence activities, careful actions and no Cossack lava. Polite people must also be protected.
          Fully agree good
        6. soaring
          soaring April 29 2014 13: 55
          +1
          I completely agree with you 100%. We can’t send troops to a country where there are such poor people around and no one is trying to put things in order. This is a police matter. Our army will not take on such functions. So when the southeast unites and asks for our help (Crimean version) then it will be seen ... In the meantime, it's too early ...
        7. not main
          not main April 29 2014 19: 09
          0
          Quote: shark
          I remember someone, very stellar, was going to take Grozny by the forces of one tank regiment

          To be precise, the parachute landing. The rest I agree!
      2. 120352
        120352 April 29 2014 09: 51
        +13
        Just do not equate anything with the soil. Then the soil will not be cleared, the arable land debit will decrease sharply. Yes, and everything will have to be rebuilt, but there is no time ... So, let’s come, have a smoke, and see. Selectively shoot one of the Nazis, if necessary, but no more than nine out of ten. I don’t know how anyone has it, but I have an allergy to fascism.
        1. aktanir
          aktanir April 29 2014 11: 56
          +4
          All, of course, is right, we do not need to flog a fever in Ukraine in a fit of self-confidence. But to take away the southeastern regions from the future enemy, a candidate for membership in NATO and the EU, is required without fail! In any tricky way! Moreover, people in Donetsk, Lugansk, etc. themselves want to use the example of Crimea. Why Putin does not help our brothers with weapons so that they can fight back if something happens and hold their referendum normally, I don’t understand this ...
      3. mirag2
        mirag2 April 29 2014 09: 57
        +9
        Yes, it turns out already ours - about the "agents of the GRU" - I don't know, but Strelkov-Girkin said that the backbone (about 300 people) are people from the Crimea and from Russia, they showed their passports.
        Putin previously said:
        What special forces in the Crimea? There is no one there ... request
        Now he says:
        -Well, there were ... laughing
        So it’s quite possible that later he will also say:
        -Well, there were ... Only a little ... good
        And after all, the Ukrainian "alphas" - even if the former military (in the sense of not having "hot" experience), even of low qualifications, would only be able to do it with random luck.
        And these Strelkov, Ponomarev are calm, and this is the main indicator of a large database experience.
        1. svp67
          svp67 April 29 2014 12: 50
          +2
          Quote: mirag2
          And after all, the Ukrainian "alphas" - even if the former military (in the sense of not having "hot" experience), even of low qualifications, would only be able to do it with random luck.

          There was not only hot experience, but also special training ... "Wolfhounds" worked against "Wolfhounds" and who turned out to be REAL, we saw at the pre-conference ... which was the tip of the iceberg, and at its core was a long and delicate counterintelligence and anti-sabotage work. And its "amateurs" simply do not organize it, they teach and train it.
      4. delfinN
        delfinN April 29 2014 10: 40
        +2
        "kaklov in Lemberg, Lemberg Poland, burn Poland" (c)
    2. Grenz
      Grenz April 29 2014 08: 47
      +45
      Survey in Ukraine:
      Question: "How many will reach Kiev from two Russian divisions?"
      Answer: "Ten divisions, not counting the people's militia"
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 29 2014 09: 21
        -3
        Quote: grenz
        Poll in Ukraine

        Really no problem!
        Here's what to do with THESE then ?! GULAG to revive?
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV April 29 2014 10: 01
          +6
          That worries me too.
          The first is that our input should be legitimate. For this, it does not matter what happens in reality. It is important THAT millions of people in the West will READ ABOUT THIS. What is not on the screens of TV and computers - that is not in reality - this is a long-standing slogan of Western media workers.
          The second - the operation should be bloodless on the part of the Russian troops, and OUR troops, and not the militias, will still have to cover them from attacks by law-enforcement officers. And ours have non-killing weapons — such as Teflon mines on the roads, castor grenades and gas suspensions, rubber bullets, massive throwers, toothless dogs (but angry: if you don’t have time in five minutes, they will suck a raider to death), self-evaporating from tanks at gas stations gasoline and solarium, solvents of bearings and gears, head-mounted bullet catchers and self-attacking medical kits? I think that all this is not in the project. In the troops, for sure. This means that partisan freemen and victims cannot be avoided.
          Third, what to do with all this ill-mannered part of the generation of impolite Ukrainians aged 23 and a little older, including the immediate relatives of Bandera? Seated in the camps that they are now allegedly building themselves? Or to throw from the Carpathians to the west - to the Czechs, to the Slovaks, to the Austrians, to the Poles ... Let them hug NATO? I think Comrade Beria would not make such gifts to a potential enemy. But each of about 10 thousand only regular Gavriks who have gone through training pioneer camps has a bunch of relatives, friends, girls. And what, around each slain to begin a family memorial under the slogan "Glory to Ukraine"?
          Therefore - the fourth - and probably ours are waiting for all these impolite and dumb people with weapons to crush each other more. And then, in extreme cases, you can go ahead. It is especially important here to get ahead of NATO. If these people come in, you won’t be able to vomit them back without war.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS April 29 2014 11: 43
            +12
            Quote: DimychDV
            The first is that our input should be legitimate.

            There should be no question of any introduction of troops at all! This will be the biggest nonsense. If Russia introduces troops and then "annexes" the rebellious regions (even following the results of referendums), then the country's collapse will become inevitable. These territories will become a catalyst, and all of Ukraine will become a forge and supplier of trained "revolutionaries". Russian-speaking and Slavic in appearance, with a fierce hatred of Russia. Stop playing the empire, it's time to take care of the country. Otherwise, we will not watch the "Maidans" on TV. And whose "mother" Kiev will become, we will have it before the lantern ...
            1. soaring
              soaring April 29 2014 14: 08
              +2
              That's what I thought about and wrote a little higher. IRBIS Respect to you !!!
          2. soaring
            soaring April 29 2014 14: 05
            +1
            Dimych DV- good drinks Arranged on shelves !!! wink
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 April 29 2014 10: 14
          +1
          I read this book, the Frenchman wrote, I do not remember his name.
        3. Magadan
          Magadan April 29 2014 10: 25
          +11
          By the way, not all villages have roads in Magadan! This is about the Gulag. :)
          During the Gulag, the prisoners of the Kolyma Highway with a length of more than 1000 km were manually built in 5 years! Including bridges, passes, etc.
          So basically, a normal idea. They povsesek here like it. Also mountains. Almost the Carpathians. Just cold. Minus 50 and winter 8 months :)
          1. ochakow703
            ochakow703 April 29 2014 11: 21
            +8
            I say it again. We don’t need this shit, well, please. Why do you all think Siberia penal servitude? I live here! And we do not need any rabble on ... p. Take yourself and re-educate. P.S. In the European part of the country there are also enough problems with roads.
          2. woron333444
            woron333444 April 29 2014 11: 30
            +3
            cold first, then get used to
        4. grog_bm
          grog_bm April 29 2014 10: 55
          +5
          Well, you don’t have to scold the cop so much - after all, Muller, the former policeman, did not even belong to the Nazi party, and although the hierarchy there was Nazi, it was still the police. Moreover, it was organized very well - but as a former cop, Art. Lei, I’ll say in our mentovik the testimonies were also beaten out and beaten out !! Alas and of course - but it’s a structure specially created to protect the state’s standing, you think the Gulag was organized by Stalin, and he drove the prisoners' dogs the same way ... so don’t ... look at yourself ... we ourselves are not angels .... and we all know who served in the power structures, that under the glass for many lies a photo of Dzerzhinsky and L. Bronevy - in the form of the Gestapo (in the role of Mueller), so something like that ... litter if someone opened on ugly old eyes ....
          but yes I forgot part of the Oath of the Interior Ministry officer ... Serving the law, I serve the people ... something like that (((
        5. 120352
          120352 April 29 2014 11: 51
          +1
          Cynic
          Why the gulag? We have no one to live in Siberia! Let them master it, especially since they are fundamentally Russian people. At least until the 20th century, Ukrainian identity did not exist, but was Russian, Little Russian.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 1 May 2014 18: 24
            0
            Quote: 120352
            We have no one to live in Siberia!

            Who do we have?
            For example, in my neighbors such tries ... do not!
            As for the Ukrainians, we have a lot of them in Siberia, a conversation about Bandera!
        6. Cynic
          Cynic 1 May 2014 18: 31
          0
          Hmm, there are five now private afraid, two think I understood what the conversation was about.
          Genetic fear is mass psychosis. It is not congenital in nature, it is vaccinated from early childhood.

          The fear gene makes you do crazy things with a cold mind.
    3. 222222
      222222 April 29 2014 09: 16
      +3
      .. through Chernihiv to Kiev 3-5 hours ..
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    5. 1812 1945
      1812 1945 April 29 2014 09: 19
      0
      [quote = Guardian] When everyone is taken to the extreme, they will get there faster! [/ quot "They'll get there faster"? And what did the chairman of the chiefs of staff committee Baluyevsky say?! ---------------------------------------- ----------- PS Correct - Joint Chiefs of Staff, JCS.
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    7. Validator
      Validator April 29 2014 10: 28
      +7
      Hero City Kiev must be released. In no case should you leave it to banderlogs, let them crawl into Galicia on their knees, as it was in Kharkov. And the militia must do this, the troops are only possible to support
    8. 222222
      222222 April 29 2014 19: 42
      0
      People say: "The language will bring you to Kiev." That's right - you look at Kiev TV channels and especially shustirization and you start to believe in the meaning of the proverb ..
  2. saag
    saag April 29 2014 08: 14
    -2
    and who needs this Kiev, not a city, but some sort of darkness
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 April 29 2014 08: 26
      +27
      Quote: saag
      and who needs this Kiev, not a city, but some sort of darkness

      I need a grandfather in 43 fought there. We will make it a suburb of Smolensk
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS April 29 2014 12: 18
        +6
        Quote: ele1285
        I need grandfather in 43 fought there

        Did you decide to “warm up” in 2014? Are you going to fight personally or on TV see how others are struggling?
        Who has not yet fought? Maybe it's enough to carry crap, keyboard "fighters", eh? "To Kiev ...", "in two or three days ..." ... Delirium of a gray mare !!!
        This is a different country. Let her people figure out what to take and how many days.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 April 29 2014 22: 13
          +1
          Did you decide to “warm up” in 2014? Are you going to fight personally or on TV see how others are struggling?

          I’ll be, and I’ll go to the infantry 45 I’ll kick your ass too.
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS April 30 2014 10: 49
            0
            Quote: ele1285
            I’ll be, and I’ll go to the infantry 45 I’ll kick your ass too.

            Well, well ... I have a different category of accounting. Take care of your ass, foot soldier ... I’m not going to tear her, but usually we gave infantry pendal so that we don’t get confused under our feet ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 08: 29
      +26
      Quote: saag
      and who needs this Kiev, not a city, but some sort of darkness

      Kiev is part of Russia, therefore, without Kiev, Russia cannot be an empire. hi
      1. DimychDV
        DimychDV April 29 2014 10: 06
        0
        Well ... So you have to decide. And this takes time, training, as well as a politically advantageous moment. Although the non-government in Kiev has already given rise to reasons, anyone even in their place would have long understood that they are acting in the interests of America, which instead of Ukraine needs a bonfire near our borders. But what do they think about? That the US and the EU will help them? Why, we are rooting for the original Slavic lands, and they are pirating. So on whose side the Truth, which means the final victory, has long been clear to everyone.
        Reptile aliens will climb into this landfill - they will rake the drain, it will not seem enough. Neither them nor us.
    3. Naum
      Naum April 29 2014 08: 44
      +29
      KAiev is needed by us Russians. This is our ancient capital. Ours, not Galician Uniate Austro-Polish-Magyar freaks.
      It seems to me that we will hear more about Yanukovych. There will be another return of the "prodigal son".
      1. AnaBat
        AnaBat April 29 2014 10: 02
        +2
        Yanuka should be sent to the Donbass, let him raise the militias and go to Kiev soldier
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 April 30 2014 08: 39
        0
        Quote: Naum
        KAiev is needed by us Russians. This is our ancient capital.

        Ladoga, the most ancient capital. Teach history, Rurik in Kuyev has never been
  3. Neighbor
    Neighbor April 29 2014 08: 16
    +4
    One "comrade" has already threatened Grozny with small forces and immediately take ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 08: 31
      +16
      Quote: Neighbor
      One "comrade" has already threatened Grozny with small forces and immediately take ..

      Today is not 1994 and the comrade is already in the next world.
      But the Ukrainian army and all of Ukraine as a whole resembles 1994, or rather, 1918.
      1. Salad
        Salad April 29 2014 08: 45
        +4
        I think the first Chechen one has become a lesson and this will not happen again ... nevertheless
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Today is not 1994

        detection, reconnaissance means ... special battalions request
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 09: 07
          +1
          Quote: Salad
          detection, reconnaissance means ... special battalions

          What, isn’t it all?
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 April 29 2014 08: 47
        +13
        But who will fight there except for Bandera, by and large, drop off the Airborne Forces on the Maidan, put them on their knees and the Kievans will bear flowers for our soldiers, along the way, you need to turn on the Russian channels and tell people welcome to reality smile
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV April 29 2014 10: 16
          +7
          I would like to believe. But it very reminds one of the hopes of our political workers in 1941 that the German proletariat would not allow Hitler to attack the USSR.
          The most advanced proletariat in Europe - the Czech - desperately opposed the fascist enslavers throughout the war, every day at its tank, aircraft, and armored personnel carrier ... putting on mourning clothes. Desperate Resistance cost about three sets of mourning clothes for every working-class family. Of the Czechs executed by the Nazis, only Julius Fucik is known. Although, of course, there were several dozen, or even hundreds. And several hundred in the forests of Slovenia and Moravia. But their tanks reached Moscow, the Volga, Leningrad, and the Caucasus. And then we still made excuses for the fact that our tanks once again visited Prague. NOT EXTRA !!!
          No wonder about the Czechs we so rarely hear in the next demarches of the Eastern European Slavic brothers. And they refused the missile defense there: they know that we are able not only to remember good, but we also do not forget evil. They, by the way, though no less quiet than their northern neighbors, are much smarter than the Poles, who, since the time of Peter the Great, have not been able to consolidate into their unlikely brain hemispheres, which Russia has known all sorts of times, but in the end has always remained invincible. Oh, for the Poles - for sure.
        2. nicolai64
          nicolai64 April 29 2014 10: 19
          +26
          I want to lower everyone a little to the ground. I myself am a retired officer and live in Kiev. As for Kiev, propaganda and the disconnection of Russian channels have done their dirty deed. Here, if not all, the vast majority of citizens hate Russia. Even the older generation, retirees of the old woman, want a speedy suppression and it was through the force of way that the Donbas was seated. I heard it myself repeatedly. Someone against this regime was forced to sit quietly, because everything is under the control of the junta. And do not make illusions about the meeting of Kievites with the colors of the liberators. You just have to go and free. Of course, right there, everyone will repaint themselves back to the desired color and say that they were sleeping and saw that mode in .... I think that time is now being lost. From a military and political point of view, everything is certainly true, but after stretching a couple of months, this hatred will be driven into the heads of the people in such a way that only Stalin’s grandfather and his Gulags will be remembered. All my surroundings at work, except naturally, I fiercely hate Russia and wish it defeat in the battle with the United States. Because they were so convinced. Both young and people over 60 years. So already missed a lot. If you still stretch with this junta, it will be too late. People and their minds can not be returned.
          1. Mikros
            Mikros April 29 2014 11: 47
            +1
            YES everything will be fine. Just survive until the fall. All wars with Russia end in the cold. Hunger and cold are not aunts.
            1. igor_m_p
              igor_m_p April 29 2014 12: 15
              +1
              If this war ends in the fall, I am afraid that in winter Ukraine will have nothing to eat. So it would be nice if it all ended before the start of summer. Then at least something else can be done ...
          2. Corsair0304
            Corsair0304 April 29 2014 15: 34
            0
            If circumstances are as you described, then it’s really sad. Least of all I would like to take Kiev by storm for two reasons: urban battles in a metropolis always entail great losses among attackers and the civilian population (which naturally will not add respect) and even destroy such a beautiful city. Because of some freaks, to break everything that is built there ?? !!
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      4. johnsnz
        johnsnz April 29 2014 08: 58
        +4
        Yes, and the Kadyrov’s fighters are bored with their legs, just let them go. Passion as they tempt the hunt)))
        1. igor_m_p
          igor_m_p April 29 2014 09: 27
          +12
          The Kadyrovskys may be bored with legs with impatience, but in my opinion, they have nothing to do there. This is a purely Slavic showdown. It is far from completely obvious here, is it worth it to introduce our troops at all, and very few people like the national units from the Caucasus there ... In Georgia, they were quite appropriate. But it seems that polite guys in professionalism will never yield to Kadyrov’s ...
          1. Corsair0304
            Corsair0304 April 29 2014 15: 37
            +1
            Here I completely agree with you. There is nothing for the North Caucasian units to do there. Although, because where the Ukrainian military can yield to "polite people", they will fight with the Caucasians due to national hostility.
      5. Neighbor
        Neighbor April 29 2014 11: 54
        +2
        Our bourgeoisie is no better than theirs and from the side, apparently, it’s worse ... (bourgeois to change to bourgeois ....) And the intervention, it is also an intervention in Zimbabwe.
    2. Hariva
      Hariva April 29 2014 08: 38
      +10
      And don’t talk. Like it or not, 70% of Ukrainians will consider us aggressors. So in 2-3 days nothing will end.
      1. aleks 62
        aleks 62 April 29 2014 08: 49
        +19
        ..... These 70% will sit at home and wait, how it will end ... Well, of course, not counting the violent - which are few ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 09: 20
          +2
          Quote: aleks 62
          .. Well, of course, not counting the violent ones - which are few.

          The buoys, having received the first portion of the stars, scatter.
          1. DimychDV
            DimychDV April 29 2014 10: 25
            +2
            You should not underestimate youthful hormones, the presence of weapons, Bandera traditions and the propaganda of the GREAT AMERICAN-UKRAINIAN DREAM. About the globe without [dear envoys of Muscovy].
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 29 2014 12: 16
              0
              Quote: DimychDV
              Do not underestimate youthful hormones

              Youthful harmonies will fly out with Bandera bravado in the first battle.
              It’s one thing to wave a stick and another thing to crawl under bullets, and even with an enemy superior to you.
              1. Corsair0304
                Corsair0304 April 29 2014 15: 40
                +1
                Yes, the fact of the matter is that there may not be an open clash. But any partisanism at night is easy. Passed by when in the afternoon - normal peyzans, they sell shawarma, and at night block posts fire, but land mines buried.
        2. Simon
          Simon April 29 2014 10: 43
          +1
          Yes, men, the time has not come yet! You need to wait a little. When the people’s money runs out, and they will have to pay, they won’t be enough for food, then the people will not be happy. At this time, it is necessary to think something about the peacekeeping forces, and so many may not correctly understand the entry of our troops. In addition, Americans and Europeans will raise a howl in the press. Most importantly, the Ukrainian people would be on our side or at least sympathize with us. yes
      2. Hariva
        Hariva April 29 2014 09: 07
        +4
        Tomorrow patriotic comments on the article, with excerpts and quotes from thereof, will appear in Ukrainian. MEDIA. And we will be considered aggressors not 70 but 71%. So public opinion is formed.
        Who pulled them only by the tongue?
      3. pexotinec
        pexotinec April 29 2014 10: 16
        +4
        They will consider us aggressors while behind them striped stripes are pulled, as soon as the striped link we are all brothers again
      4. Sanmak
        Sanmak April 29 2014 11: 19
        +6
        Come on, it already happened, from the beginning they shouted thanks to Hitler for liberating from the damned mos, ka, lei and komunyak, then thanks to the Russian brothers liberators, they say we fought with the Nazis like that, we fought like that, we were all partisans! Only the most stubborn in the forests hid. There are adequate people on the outskirts, but there are not many of them (with the exception of the south and east, there are% more, but many sit and wait for someone to do everything for them) the rest of the population sits and does not rock the boat, who is stronger than that and the owner.
        To occupy Kiev is not a tricky business, but what next? If southeast is becoming more clear, then the center, and especially the west, how can one determine who is a banderlog and who is not? They will smile, and then shoot in the back !!!

        I consider the introduction of troops of the Russian Federation as an extreme measure, we will support SE, they themselves will be able to restore order, and Russia will hedge !!!
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz April 29 2014 14: 02
          0
          “the only legitimate president Viktor Yanukovych” could unite the militias and call on Moscow for help ============= I have a strong case in this regard. ========= they will be able to put things in order , and Russia will hedge !!! ========= What will they put things in order? Armament is not very good. we’ve gone too far, and we already have it, we don’t have a way out. Then we will have to work seriously. And it will stop somewhere in the region of Moldova.
        2. soaring
          soaring April 29 2014 14: 24
          +1
          Sanmak You just noticed that it’s not tricky to get to Kiev ... But then drag everything on yourself, as always !? We are kind and forgive everyone. And whoever returned us a little bit or forgave us, everyone is looking for any dirt that would be thrown at us!
    3. from punk
      from punk April 29 2014 08: 54
      +7
      Quote: Neighbor
      One "comrade" has already threatened Grozny with small forces and immediately take ...

      well, we can reach it. but it will not be necessary to fight with the army. 20 year old Russian soldiers will have to do it hard. gang. I do not think that there will be a trip to Kiev. I really hope so. Because this is nonsense in my head does not fit
    4. tommytros
      tommytros April 29 2014 12: 12
      +1
      Pasha Mercedes spoke a little differently. Why pull one phrase out of context. Quote: "It was about the fact that if you fight according to all the rules of military science: with the unlimited use of aviation, artillery, missile forces, then the remnants of the surviving bandit formations could indeed be destroyed in a short time by one parachute regiment. And I really could have done it. but then my hands were tied. "
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  4. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 29 2014 08: 17
    +8
    I read the same article before, on another resource.
    God forbid that you do not have to
  5. Strashila
    Strashila April 29 2014 08: 19
    +8
    And we need it ... let us decide on our future in the beginning, it’s already warm ... we don’t need to warm up the engines for a long time. Crimea made a choice ... they supported it.
    1. valerei
      valerei April 29 2014 09: 08
      +3
      Quote: Strashila
      And we need it ... let us decide on our future in the beginning, it’s already warm ... we don’t need to warm up the engines for a long time. Crimea made a choice ... they supported it.
      Reply Quote Report Abuse

      That's right: there will still be all kinds of problems with Crimea when the euphoria passes. But Crimea is sacred: in Sevastopol, the earth is saturated with Russian blood per meter and given to Bandera and Amer ?! The east and south of Ukraine we will not pull, purely economically. After all, our thieves of the highest and middle and lower echelons have not disappeared, and here such a piece falls to Ukraine! And the Crimeans have not yet encountered our officials and our thieves, so their disappointment is yet to come. However, there is a paradox (if at all this word can be applied to human blood): for the protection of Russians in Ukraine by our troops, appropriate human sacrifices are needed. Now people are already dying, but in insufficient numbers, that is, this quantity has not yet transferred to the quality that will become the pretext for the Russian military operation. It is likely that Bandera is aware of the likely verge of their crimes, which cannot be crossed. But the Americans are pushing them to this, because they sleep and see a sweet picture: Russians kill Russians.
      1. DimychDV
        DimychDV April 29 2014 10: 28
        0
        Fact. And after all, the Maidan authorities cannot but realize this. Means what? Sold out. Either for money, or for the idea - to steer and rob.
  6. psychologist
    psychologist April 29 2014 08: 19
    +4
    I think before !! wink if only we give a head start a couple of days !!! lol
  7. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 29 2014 08: 23
    +41
    Reaching is not a question, but then what? second Chechnya? It is necessary that the Ukrainians themselves dare this power, it is just necessary to help. So here I am thinking.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 29 2014 08: 31
      +7
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Reaching is not a question, but then what? second Chechnya? It is necessary that the Ukrainians themselves dare this power, it is just necessary to help. So here I am thinking.


      Yes, that would be the best option. All we need is a union or at least a neutral Ukraine. Such a discount can be given and help with a loan.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf April 29 2014 08: 47
        +2
        vladsolo56
        Reaching is not a question, but then what? second Chechnya? It is necessary that the Ukrainians themselves dare this power, it is just necessary to help. So here I am thinking.

        That's right!
        Ukrainians are real Ukrainians are not children! And the men are serious! The main thing should lie on their shoulders now. Take power in Ukraine into your own hands!
        And we will have to help them hold onto this power, no matter what anyone thinks, they are scampering in their direction! We’ll cover from the southwest, and Old Man from the northwest!
        This will be an oil painting!
        1. Nuar
          Nuar April 29 2014 09: 55
          +5
          Quote: Ruswolf
          not children! And the men are serious! The main thing should lie on their shoulders now. Take power in Ukraine into your own hands!

          Quote: vladsolo56
          It is necessary that the Ukrainians themselves dare this power, it is just necessary to help.

          Thank you Captain O.

          Be patient for three years and we will do it. sad

          I would like it earlier, but we even have communists - contraceptives. And of the other possible points for unification can only be called .. uh, I already wrote that I think about the Communists?
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    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 29 2014 09: 07
      +6
      Quote: vladsolo56
      , and then what? second Chechnya?
      stop
      I’m already tired of repeating this !!! but the people are tearing the leash, hunting for some.
  8. saag
    saag April 29 2014 08: 26
    +8
    we’ll sit still at full speed, the invasion of Russian troops in Ukraine is the planned US move, so don’t have to play giveaways
  9. annodomene
    annodomene April 29 2014 08: 28
    +7
    It is necessary to help, peacekeepers only. The bandits will be put on a stake by the people themselves
  10. sanek0207
    sanek0207 April 29 2014 08: 28
    +3
    The people themselves must decide! That's when they decide how to live, then help must be provided! It’s here, it’ll be decided !!!
  11. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 29 2014 08: 39
    0
    There would be political will, and the banner of victory would develop over Kiev.
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    2. creak
      creak April 29 2014 10: 49
      +3
      But you didn’t mix Kiev and Berlin for an hour, the Germans do not live there, and the majority of Kiev is not Galicians ... And if your hands itch, then the door of the nearest military commissariat is open - there are places for contract soldiers to turn around, even in Russia, in Dagestan, for example .. .
      Or let the banners of victory raise others up, and we will avenge them without leaving the computer?
  12. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 29 2014 08: 42
    +2
    I am not a military man. but I think that if you block and captivate all combat-ready formations in the South-East, then you can just pick up the whole of Little Russia. The rest, as they say, will go hungry and ask themselves.
  13. saag
    saag April 29 2014 08: 43
    +4
    It's not about Kiev, and not about Ukraine at all, here in the next article "Ukrainian trap" one professor clearly explained that it's about money, America's solution to its debt problems, and that nobody cares about Ukraine at all
  14. erased
    erased April 29 2014 08: 46
    +1
    The phrase "our yesterday's partners" can again be pronounced in the original - "our eternal enemies".
    The rest is a la ger, com a la ger ...
  15. papont64
    papont64 April 29 2014 08: 49
    0
    I really do not want to fight, but obviously I have to ... (((
  16. chinararem
    chinararem April 29 2014 08: 49
    +7
    Quote: sanek0207
    The people themselves must decide! That's when they decide how to live, then help must be provided

    The South-East is not Crimea. And the moods there are very different. Many do not wait for us there and do not want to see us. So, it is necessary to wait for the results of the referendum (not long left). And if we hear: "Affectionately requested!", Then a march. Although "spetsnaz without work rusts," but they must not be scattered about. Let the Ukrainians choose their own path.
  17. PRN
    PRN April 29 2014 08: 51
    +6
    That we will reach, no one doubts this! But the Americans, sleeping and seeing Russian troops in Ukraine, for this, all the mess on the Maidan was brewing. To send troops is in the most extreme turn. And the people of the whole of New Russia should decide, and not be an amorphous mass.
  18. vowa48
    vowa48 April 29 2014 08: 52
    +3
    Everything should happen as in Italy in the years 43-44, when the people themselves decided to throw off the Nazis Duce, with the help of the Allies, although the Italians believe that they did everything themselves and were free!
  19. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich April 29 2014 08: 53
    +2
    If Southeastern Ukraine remains with the fascists, events will develop with even worse scenarios.
  20. dmb
    dmb April 29 2014 08: 54
    +10
    And these scarecrows (I according to Kanchukova and Sivkova) held high positions in the RF Armed Forces. And we are still going to fight. One hope is that the enemy also has a lot of such stuffed animals. One "scout", when introducing troops into the territory of another state, thinks in terms of the CTO conducted on his own land and at the same time forgets that it actually lasts 14 years, and there is no end in sight. The second "geopolitical sailor" is no better. He has already decided that NATO will not mobilize, and if something happens we will shy away with a vigorous bonboy. True, I did not bother myself with justifying my revelations. But in vain. Thank God, he admits that we are 10 times weaker in conventional weapons. And it is more expensive to use a vigorous bonba in its virtually densely populated territory. Not for the co-op Lake rowed the loot in the country to spend the rest of his life with "children" and mistresses in a bunker. So in this company the only decent and competently reasoning person is Baluyevsky. It's not worth writing about Makarov. He then knows the results of his and Taburetkin's "creative activity".
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 29 2014 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: dmb
      And it’s more expensive to use a vigorous bonbu over its densely populated territory


      The text dealt with the use of strategic nuclear weapons against the adversary - the NATO countries in order to inflict unacceptable damage on it (in fact, for the purpose of destruction), while we will also suffer almost the same damage, the difference is only in population density: they have higher.
      It does not really make sense to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. For NATO troops, it is better to work out in concentration areas before the invasion.
      It is the threat of using strategic nuclear weapons that can be the only means of deterrence.
      Using troops in Ukraine (God forbid, of course, but the situation is quite real when we WILL NOT BE ABLE to not intervene), we must be determined to use nuclear weapons in NATO intervention. Great Russia, but nowhere to retreat.
      1. dmb
        dmb April 29 2014 12: 03
        +2
        And I'm talking about too. Do you think members of the cooperative have such determination? Rather, they will be determined not to use it, for they have stolen so much that, if they borrow the Kremlin from the Kremlin, their personal interests will not be particularly affected. And do not make them patriots. Patriots do not steal.
      2. Anatolich
        Anatolich April 29 2014 14: 57
        0
        The text dealt with the use of strategic nuclear weapons against the adversary - the NATO countries in order to inflict unacceptable damage on it (in fact, for the purpose of destruction), while we will also suffer almost the same damage, the difference is only in population density: they have higher.
        Which is what am required. As during the Second World War - "Let the Fritz and Ivans shoot each other, and we will take them ready-made."
  21. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 29 2014 08: 55
    +21
    I think that the GDP will again be able to pull the spare, secret strings and everything is complicated, but without war it will settle down.
    With all the bravado of NATO, the Europeans just do not dream of dying for Ukraine, but RUSSIAN ALREADY HAVE NO REMAINING LOSS!
  22. bashkort
    bashkort April 29 2014 08: 56
    +2
    It’s about the same as with Afghanistan in 1979 - everyone there was happy about the Soviet special forces in Kabul, but they weren’t happy about the Soviet divisions throughout the country.
    1. Lyubimov
      Lyubimov April 29 2014 10: 01
      +1
      Ukraine is not Afghanistan, the layouts are completely different, so they will be happy, even how, and who will not be happy, well, to hell with them, because of the kind of people there the devil is going on
      1. ultra
        ultra April 29 2014 11: 16
        0
        Quote: Lyubimov
        the layouts are completely different, so they will be happy, even as,
        If there was confidence that at least 70% of the population in Donetsk and Lugansk regions would be happy, then we think our troops would already be there, there is a good reason. And the president apparently does not have such confidence.
  23. Hariva
    Hariva April 29 2014 08: 56
    +2
    Quote: shark
    Enough already throwing hats. I remember someone, very stellar, was going to take Grozny with the forces of one tank regiment. Excuse me, but put you a minus, because there is nothing more terrible than not underestimating the enemy. All the more surprising are the words of the so-called experts. When the brave special forces The GRU in "Tigers" disperses the Maidan in half an hour ... Only serious work: analytics based on thorough intelligence activities, careful actions and no Cossack lava. Polite people must also be protected.

    I’ll fix it a bit. Grachev threatened to dispense with the parachute landing regiment. And the rest I agree.
  24. pensioner
    pensioner April 29 2014 08: 57
    +6
    Therefore, in a day or two, a maximum of two or three days, the Russian army will be able to reach Kiev, ”said Sivkov.

    "Lord! What a day it is!" - thought Turchinov after reading another article on "Military Review" and sadly wandered off to change the next pants.
    Avakov flew past him at great speed. "But he will have time," Turchinov thought sadly and sighed bitterly ... recourse
    1. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 29 2014 09: 20
      +6
      Quote: retired
      "Lord! What a day it is!" - thought Turchinov after reading another article on "Military Review" and sadly wandered off to change the next pants.

      Already wrote once about inspired by:
      There is Turchin, staggering,
      Sighs on the go.
      Well, life ends
      I'll die a dog.
      laughing hi
  25. Espado
    Espado April 29 2014 09: 03
    +4
    If such statements are made by General Baluyevsky, then they should be taken very seriously. It must be remembered that he was always distinguished by balance and foresight. It was Baluevsky who vehemently opposed Serdyukov with his "transformations", and, by the way, he was born in the Lviv region smile
  26. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 29 2014 09: 04
    +1
    Shoigu clearly said that we will not get there in this format. Unless, of course, the Banderlog will "invite" us there so that it will be impossible to refuse.
  27. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. April 29 2014 09: 06
    +1
    Troops cannot be entered, at least for the time being. Having introduced the troops, we will have a big problem and play into the hands of NATO.
  28. Lukich
    Lukich April 29 2014 09: 13
    +7
    Yes, there will be no clash with NATO. when they decide to send troops, our troops will already be on the Dnieper. but this is the worst option. ours will be shot in the back from each gate. therefore there is nothing for our troops to do there. let them understand. help is needed, but not the army. pointwise. volunteers, weapons.
  29. Boris55
    Boris55 April 29 2014 09: 14
    +4
    And why so long, this is the strategy of the last century.
    All revolutions and coups take place in the capitals and the outskirts take it for granted, with the exception of those who are very dissatisfied who are later enlightened. It is enough to immediately seize Kiev by the "Army of Ukraine" under the leadership of the lawful Supreme Commander-in-Chief Janek and military leaders with names ending in "O", to arrest the whole gang, the rest of those who have been taken away will scatter themselves. Modern means of delivery of l / s allow such an operation ... especially since all their troops and all equipment are concentrated in the east ... I think Yanek's throw from the territory of Belarus to Kiev is quite promising.

    Ukrainians are not our enemies. Why are we going to conquer them progressively? In Lviv region, the stronghold of the banned, 75% for Russia ... Ukraine must be whole, independent and in the customs union.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 29 2014 11: 17
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      Throw Janek from the territory of Belarus to Kiev, I think is quite promising.

      From the Klimovsky district of the Bryansk region not much further.
  30. their
    their April 29 2014 09: 14
    +12
    The Jewish Combat Organization announces the search for an enemy of the Jewish people, a Nazi accomplice and provocateur of anti-Jewish actions in the southeast, Igor Kolomoisky.
    The charges brought by Kolomoisky:
    1. Aiding the Nazis;
    2. Provocation of a new Holocaust and anti-Semitism;
    3. Encouragement of squealing and Russophobia;
    We do not charge money for his head. We simply declare that Kolomoisky is declared an enemy and every Jew has the right to do justice.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1498845850338766&set=a.1386922901531062.
    1073741827.100006400962233 & type = 1 & theater

    Immediately, of course, the Jews did not understand anything (yeah .. and did not see the main Bandera)
  31. kaa1977
    kaa1977 April 29 2014 09: 16
    +2
    and 20000 mercenaries whose number is constantly growing will watch chtol?
  32. Docent1984
    Docent1984 April 29 2014 09: 24
    +7
    the ground forces of Europe are almost 10 times superior to the Russian

    So in Europe there are now 4 million soldiers? Somehow vaguely like the truth, doesn't it?
    1. bashkort
      bashkort April 29 2014 10: 31
      0
      And it will turn out that way - after all, Russia obviously will not withdraw troops from the South and East of the country
    2. andj61
      andj61 April 29 2014 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: Docent1984
      the ground forces of Europe are almost 10 times superior to the Russian

      So in Europe there are now 4 million soldiers? Somehow vaguely like the truth, doesn't it?


      In real terms, if you count on the head - it is quite possible. But how many of them they can put up for the operation is a big question! An even bigger question is the degree of training of these troops.
      Two-thirds of NATO troops in any case will be under a star-striped flag.
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 April 29 2014 11: 48
        +5
        Anyway, hardly ... Let's try to count. France - 230 thousand, Turkey - 650 thousand, Great Britain - 350 thousand, Germany - 180 thousand, Italy - 230 thousand, All the rest - well, another 300 thousand. In total, we get 1 940 thousand people. And this is data on the total number of the armed forces. Of these, about 40% of the ground forces, that is, about 750 thousand. And this, as they say in Ukraine, "at once on a check") At the same time, the number of ground forces of the Russian Federation is about 380 thousand. That is, when calculating "head-on" it turns out 1: 2 ... But certainly not 1:10))) Well, about preparation - this is generally a different story. The degree of readiness of our troops is understandable and has been tested repeatedly. And where and with whom did the Europeans fight?))) And in general, the very formulation of the question is stupidity. So that all these countries want to fight with Russia and instantly throw all their armies at this - this is unscientific fantasy)))
        1. soaring
          soaring April 29 2014 14: 35
          +1
          good Docent1984, you respect and respect !!! wink drinks
          1. Docent1984
            Docent1984 April 29 2014 15: 38
            0
            Thank youwink
  33. Ross
    Ross April 29 2014 09: 32
    0
    Quote: ele1285
    Quote: Keeper
    When everyone is taken to extremes, they will reach faster!

    Are bets accepted? The day before Lamberg. Rivno we will equalize the soil, Stanislav will be ironed out for a day. They have not seen the "polite people" in anger yet

    Ukro army gave an interview to the Russian: laughing
    1. Com T-64a
      Com T-64a April 29 2014 13: 07
      0
      “Filled with it!” - Strongly said, uncle, it’s not for you to drive the “young” for “balabas” to the cafeteria ... They look like ours at the beginning of the 1st Cheka ... They do not understand how it might end for them ... fool
  34. petrT
    petrT April 29 2014 09: 34
    0
    I read the article and saw nothing, "butter oil", the desire to shower the sea with hats!
  35. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 April 29 2014 09: 43
    +6
    These are our people and our technology, we just return it to ourselves

    rightly said ... This is our land and our people, and we return it all.

    And regarding the fact that "Someone wanted to take Grozny in two days and with small forces ..."- so you, colleagues, do not confuse Sidor with 3,14dor. I am sure that, having actually received, at least once, in the face, the Westerners will run so that neighboring Moldova and Poland will have to set up cordons.
  36. mackonya
    mackonya April 29 2014 09: 45
    +4
    And there is also such an option, Ukraine is still part of the CIS, and the President of Ukraine is still Yanukovych, so the CIS charter has a point of mutual assistance and officially Yanukovych can use this point of mutual assistance from the CIS countries to form peacekeeping forces and send them to the South-East of Ukraine and there already establish the capital (headquarters) in Kharkov and fight for the unity of Ukraine. After all, as now the "Kiev authorities" declare and accuse the residents of Donbass as separatists, with the wording of an attempt on the integrity of Ukraine, the same statement can be applied against this "Kiev government".
  37. Roshchin
    Roshchin April 29 2014 09: 56
    0
    One comrade once promised to take Grozny in one regiment. Unfortunately I did not fulfill my promise.
    So that should not be deceived. It would be better if they saw less of the budget when fulfilling the state defense order and selected not their own weapons, but those capable of doing it at the proper level, to develop and supply weapons. Yes, and in the army the level of idiocy is reduced very slowly.
  38. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 29 2014 10: 00
    +9
    That's where you need to send troops .. (this is a hornet’s nest) But so far not real ..
  39. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay April 29 2014 10: 09
    +1
    What are two or three days? If you want two hours or two Il-76s to fly from Pskov and drop the Airborne Division from Novorossiysk Ivanovo and Tula no further. The question is whether this is necessary now if the Kiev people are together jumping with yaku slogans? Who are we will be happy?
    1. max702
      max702 April 29 2014 11: 37
      +1
      Unfortunately, our transport aviation cannot transfer the Airborne Forces division, there aren’t so many planes, the maximum crew and without heavy weapons are the current personnel with the arrow ..
  40. ken
    ken April 29 2014 10: 10
    +11
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  41. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 29 2014 10: 18
    +3
    In vain we break spears. The introduction of peacekeeping or other forces into Ukraine is a linear solution, visible to everyone. And our president is a master of nonlinear, unexpected solutions. I think that soon enough the time will come to pleasantly surprise us and disappointedly scratch our turnips to the ukronatsiks and NATO. Look forward to.
  42. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 29 2014 10: 22
    +3
    ... if Russia sends troops to Ukraine, retaliatory action may follow from NATO. “The accelerated march towards NATO troops may move. In the area of ​​contact between Russian and NATO troops, the border of Ukraine’s division will arise.

    Meeting on the Dnieper?
    For me - better on the Elbe.
  43. pedro7707
    pedro7707 April 29 2014 10: 23
    .
    I do not want to disappoint.
    The Olympics are won, Crimea is annexed, Syrian leader Bashar Assad is confidently winning the civil war, despite all the efforts of Saudi Arabia and the left-liberal public.
    It would seem that 2014 is not just successful, but triumphant for the Russian president, three consecutive victories, which are also extremely popular among Russian citizens. Vladimir Putin’s Approval reaches phenomenal heights, breaking the psychological barrier of 80%, and is not going to fall at all. Of course, this is not a level of support, for example, of George Bush’s father after the end of Desert Storm in 1990 (he had about 90%), but there is also a lot and an obvious record of the tenth years of the XNUMXst century among European leaders.

    However, the current smoldering conflict in eastern Ukraine could nullify all the successes of the current Russian president. How? Very simple. Firstly, the obvious reason for the artificial and natural fomentation of the situation in the Donetsk region is the presence of a trump card for exchange with Europe. As many analysts have already noted, Putin does not at all seek to occupy and take over the East, this is a difficult and extremely risky operation (unlike the Crimean one). Therefore, there is nothing better than to provoke a conflict due to the fact that you do not need to, and then calm it down in exchange for what is really necessary at the moment. It would seem that the situation is a win-win, but no. Thanks to the frantic propaganda in mainstream media and the mood of the “patriotic” elites, the president found himself in a stalemate when any of the following moves would result in serious losses or even defeat for him.

    The population is in a jingoistic ecstasy and requires continuation of victories, in the first place - the accession of all of Ukraine up to the Dnieper. If this is not done, the president will not just be "moderate" or "soft-bodied" there, but a real traitor. Traitor to Russia and its imperial ambitions. I can hardly imagine how, after all the “patriotic hysteria”, the mainstream TV channels will make such a turn - “yes, we did not get the East of Ukraine, but let's rejoice in the Crimea, the rest is too much for us”, right? It looks implausible and will become only a red rag for citizens who believe in the return of the greatness of the Motherland. Any approval ratings of Putin will collapse right there, they will not just stop loving him - they will hate him. On the other hand, in these conditions, it is not worth anything for the power elites to take advantage of the situation and the discontent of the population and make the president quite legitimately and legally legally resign from his post with the replacement of a larger hawk and warmonger.

    A forceful solution to the history of Ukraine - the introduction of a 'peacekeeping contingent' and the division of the country along the Dnieper - will lead to full-scale sanctions by Europe and the United States against specific Russian economic sectors. You can think of anything here, there is plenty of leverage from the West - to stop the export of electronics and components, medical equipment, to destroy the Russian banking sector, etc. They will bring down the economy, GDP will fall for at least a few years, inflation will skyrocket, due to cash injections into the acquired regions and the rescue of bankrupt enterprises, the budget deficit will increase dozens of times and there will be a threat of default over the country. I’m not at all sure that Vladimir Putin will want to go down in the history of Russia as a person who annexed Crimea and ruined the country's economy. And to stay in power under such a scenario will be very difficult, if not to say, almost unrealistic.

    Vladimir Putin is a good tactician, but no strategist. And tactically everything was done correctly with Ukraine - propaganda, and an additional trump card, and military “escort” of the Crimean referendum, but strategically the result is unsightly. Having managed to win a couple of battles with almost no losses, the president eventually loses the war.
    1. D-SAVA
      D-SAVA April 29 2014 10: 36
      +1
      WHAT FOR Nonsense ???
      Who are you? And which side of the barricade are you on ???

      YOU have led your thoughts somewhere in the wrong place!
    2. grog_bm
      grog_bm April 29 2014 11: 17
      +2
      I have not lost yet, read the previous article .. interesting ... by all means, the GDP is trying to avoid this ... how to do this is a big question - it's hard - Yes, but it is possible. And the fact that we have not climbed into Ukraine so far is not a weakness, but a search for a beautiful option to implement it, there is a lot to think about ..
    3. andj61
      andj61 April 29 2014 11: 35
      +5
      Quote: pedro7707
      Vladimir Putin is a good tactician, but no strategist. And tactically everything was done correctly with Ukraine - propaganda, and an additional trump card, and military “escort” of the Crimean referendum, but strategically the result is unsightly.

      I do not agree! Initially, we had no strategy or tactics. Ukraine, the events on euromaidan, we, enthusiastic about the Olympics, r about with r and l. The annexation of the Crimea was a spontaneous, and not premeditated, action. But this action led to a tremendous increase in Putin's authority (which is 80%, actually 95, or even 99%. Against - only some dissenting from very large cities), people really support him and for the first time in a long time they felt pride in their country.
      And strategically, Russia has already won. They ALREADY reckon with it and no one will perceive Russia only as a regional player. We went to the GLOBAL level, showed strength. And with the strong reckoned.
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    5. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN April 29 2014 13: 27
      +1
      Well, what will Putin lose? Sanction and non-recognition? Recall the conflict in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, ....... Then it was the same, pseudo-democrats sputtered their saliva ......... The result ......... On the drum it all turned out to be Russia. .... A little more of such sanctions and Europe will spit strongly on Obama with his conspiracy theory ....
  44. Maloros
    Maloros April 29 2014 10: 29
    +3
    I believe that Yanek should come to Donetsk first, and then ask a neighbor for help in the fight against the rampant brown plague.
    1. andj61
      andj61 April 29 2014 11: 39
      +2
      Quote: Maloros
      I believe that Yanek should come to Donetsk first, and then ask a neighbor for help in the fight against the rampant brown plague.


      I’m afraid that in Donetsk Yanukovych’s face will be full! Actually, he does not come, fearing this.
    2. zao74
      zao74 April 29 2014 11: 39
      +1
      The question remains, where is it ... lol. For his collar and to the barricades!
  45. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist April 29 2014 10: 33
    +1
    Quote: Keeper
    When everyone is taken to extremes, they will reach faster!

    Is it necessary? Kiev - MOTHER OF RUSSIAN CITIES - now looks like a desecrated temple. . unfortunately for us!
  46. kind
    kind April 29 2014 10: 36
    +5
    “The accelerated march towards NATO troops may move.

    I think they won’t be able to, they’re used to bombing, but in the open battle the gut is thin, and for what ?!
  47. Turk
    Turk April 29 2014 10: 45
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Salad
    detection, reconnaissance means ... special battalions

    What, isn’t it all?

    There is! At them.
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  49. xbhxbr-777
    xbhxbr-777 April 29 2014 10: 49
    0
    First, the Southeast needs to unite, which is apparently done, only very slowly, and only then it will be seen what it wants; Federalization or unitarization. Indeed, it is not clear what position Kharkiv holds, Lugansk pulls rubber, and about Odessa, it’s not clear at all what they want! Unite guys - TOGETHER YOU ARE POWER!
  50. delfinN
    delfinN April 29 2014 10: 49
    +4
    Quote: sus
    The Jewish Combat Organization announces the search for an enemy of the Jewish people, a Nazi accomplice and provocateur of anti-Jewish actions in the southeast, Igor Kolomoisky.
    The charges brought by Kolomoisky:
    1. Aiding the Nazis;
    2. Provocation of a new Holocaust and anti-Semitism;
    3. Encouragement of squealing and Russophobia;
    We do not charge money for his head. We simply declare that Kolomoisky is declared an enemy and every Jew has the right to do justice.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1498845850338766&set=a.1386922901531062.

    1073741827.100006400962233 & type = 1 & theater

    Immediately, of course, the Jews did not understand anything (yeah .. and did not see the main Bandera)

    That's the difference between Jews and ...
    1. Magadan
      Magadan April 29 2014 13: 09
      +1
      fully support! In general, he always treated the Jews very well and did not understand what they were putting in a jamb? They are reliable people, they never let them down, they are good friends, I did not notice any Natsik manners. They came up with some kind of "fashionable" crap about Jews - "freaks" and for some reason inspire hatred towards them ...
      Although - "hto do not jump that moss .. cal"! - doesn't remind you of anything? Here are some of the Jews