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New terrible Russian "MiGs" may be junk

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Moscow made an order for new, deeply modernized MiG-29 fighters. However, they may not be new at all. The Kremlin-planned purchase of twin-engine MiG-29CMT sheds light on the extravagant and possibly suspicious manipulations of the Kremlin, which can increase the power of the Russian Air Force ... but they can also undermine.


There was a time when foreigners called almost any Soviet or Russian fighter a “MiG”. And although the fighters for the Eastern bloc and its allies produced other design bureaus, the most productive was the work of the company, named after Artem Mikoyan and Mikhail Gurevich.

The widespread distribution of the products of this design bureau reflected both the popularity of the MiG aircraft themselves and the mercies with which the communist regime generously showered the company.

Now times have changed. After the collapse of the Soviet empire, the rival Sukhoi design bureau became the main supplier of Russian fighters for both its own army and foreign customers.

The successes of MiG, meanwhile, tell a sad tale about hack-fulfilled export contracts, serious technical problems, various embargoes and the inability to get at least one of the wretched contracts of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Over time, promising, and possibly having great potential, MiG development went under the knife to keep the load on the Sukhoi production lines.

In recent years, the affairs of the Russian Air Force have begun to improve, and the Kremlin again orders urgently needed new fighters. But - at "Sukhoi", not at "MiG". The latter had to dig into a handful of export contracts and modest modernization orders for foreign air forces.

The main ones were the development of the upgraded MiG-29UPG for the Indian Air Force and the deck MiG-29K for the Indian fleet.

The success of the MiG-29K for the Indian aircraft carrier Vikramaditya transferred with great delays pushed the Russian fleet to the order of the same model. And now, when Vladimir Putin’s Russia begins to flex its muscles, the Russian Air Force again orders MiGs. Just like the good old days of the Cold War.

But история with the order of the new "MiGs" is not so simple. As is often the case in Russia, in reality everything may not be as it seems.

New terrible Russian "MiGs" may be junk

MiG-29SMT


15 April The Russian press reported that the Kremlin made a deal with MiG - or, officially, the Russian Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation MiG - a deal on 16 MiG-29СМТ for the Russian Air Force. Under the terms of the contract, the cost of which is estimated at 473 million dollars, the first fighters should be delivered to the Russian Air Force in 2016.

In general, this is quite possible, but it remains to be asked which type of aircraft will be delivered to the customer.

Plane MiG-29SMT was still changeable. In fact, at some point the project was an example of the shameful failure of the Russian defense industry.

The SMT modification of the omnipresent MiG-29 was originally conceived as nothing more than a basic version of the conventional MiG-29, which, in various versions, was built around 1 600 pieces.

Conceived as a retrofit option to squeeze everything out of the roughly 250 aging MiG-29 Russian Air Force, it was quite far from the advanced MIG-35, which was also offered by the company. In contrast to the exotic light-alloy gliders of the new modification of the MiG-29-x, the MiG-29CMT remains similar to the original MiG-29 of the cold war.

But while the MiG-35 is stuck in an orderly development stage, MiG-29CMT may seem to be a good intermediate option.

At least for the Russians. But the Algerian Ministry of Defense can tell a different story. In 2006, Algeria ordered a MiG-29CMT batch as part of a huge defense contract with Moscow, the cost of which, presumably, was 7.5 billion.

Deliveries of the first aircraft began before the end of 2006, but soon the Algerians noticed that something was completely wrong. "New" fighters were not new at all. The SMTs were assembled using old, unsold MiG-29 airframes, which were stored in open-air storage at the Lukhovitsy plant.

They may even have used gliders built for Iraq in the distant 1980s. .

This was a breach of contract, and Algeria demanded a suspension of deliveries. When deliveries resumed at 2007, everything was the same. Algeria refused to pay and in return demanded Su-30MKA Sukhoi multi-role fighters.

He received them - reportedly at the same price as MiGs.

After Algeria canceled the contract in 2007, approximately 15 MiG-29CMT shipped to North Africa were returned to Russia, which paid for them in 2008 in a timely manner. After a small check, the Russian Air Force received 30 from these fighters and sent them to 14-th Guards Fighter Wing.

They arrived at the airfield of the regiment in Kursk at the beginning of 2009. Restored, in fresh camouflage and with new numbers, the MiG-29CMT are now the most combat-ready MiG-29 aircraft in the Russian Air Force. The remaining four MiGs from the party rejected by Algeria were sent to the Lipetsk aviation center.

A “test shot” in the history of the Algerian contract was made last fall, when the last accused in a criminal case connected with him was sentenced to four years in prison in Moscow. The sentence was received by the former director of the company, which supplied outdated equipment to MiG using fake certificates.

Three more Russian businessmen involved in this fraud were sentenced in May 2012.

Be that as it may, Russia rejected the Algerians' accusations of "poor product quality", insisting that the use of the restored gliders in MiGs was in line with the terms of the contract - and that the price was set appropriate. Weak consolation for the "MiG", who did not receive money for the aircraft until he found a new owner in the person of the Russian Air Force.

Apparently, the transfer of former Algerian fighter jets to the Russian Air Force was more likely an action to rescue the MiG from a potential financial catastrophe, rather than a renewal of the Russian army. Despite this, there is little doubt that the new owner is pleased with the acquisition.

MiG-29CMT may not be as functional as MiG-35 or even modern versions of heavy Su-27 - Su-30М2, Su-30СМ and Su-35С. But it is definitely very useful.

The original MiG-29 was always hunted down for a short range, which hardly made it suitable for anything more than a pinpoint cover for key military facilities and infrastructure. The MiG-29SMT responds with an additional fuel tank located in the “hump” of the gargrotte, which allows it to almost double its combat radius.

Also it has a refueling bar in the air. The on-board equipment includes an upgraded multi-function radar, a digital pilot cockpit, improved navigation equipment and an expanded range of weapons used. Forced engines increase aircraft armament and increase its service life - eliminating another nightmare of the original MiG-29.

In reality, the recently ordered MiG-29CMT may differ from the MiG-35 only using the old glider. As a result, we get a fighter with a modern H041P radar with mechanical scanning and modern weapons.

Mindful of the history of Algeria, you need to take a pause and see if the “new” SMTs for Russia are built “from scratch”, as expected, or they will use upgraded fuselages built for other potential foreign customers, but never delivered to anyone. It also remains to be seen the exact nomenclature of avionics and weapons.

Russian Deputy Minister of Defense Yury Borisov proposed the idea of ​​buying another MiG-29CMT party in August 2013. At that time, the Kremlin looked at the SMT model as an intermediate option prior to entering the troops of the new MiG-35. In November, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Bondarev 2013 complained that the MiG-35 was still not ready.

United Aircraft Corporation - the parent company, a division of which is "MiG" - retains the confidence that it will be able to sell Moscow MiG-35. However, the new fighter is still waiting in the wings, and the company hopes to order approximately 100 aircraft only in 2016.

The order for the MiG-29SMT is also interesting in the context of the fact that the Russian Air Force continues to see the meaning in a mixed fleet of Sukhoi and light production MiG heavy fighters.

And after the MiG-35, the MiG hopes to ensure interest in the promising light fighter - the potential MiG-29 of the future. The exact situation with the aircraft, known as the AFL, or Light Frontline Fighter, remains unknown.

Respected aviation columnist Peter Butowski suggested that Moscow could abandon the LFI project in favor of the more modest MiG-35. However, when it comes to Russian defense procurement, any conclusions should be made with caution.

And while LFI remains only on paper, it must rely to a large extent on the fighter-demonstrator of technologies from 1990's MiG 1.44 - it was planned as the main rival of F-22. He [LFI], however, will be smaller than both Sukhoi's 1.44 and T-50, and the latter should take the position of a heavy fighter in a potential mixed fleet.

Last year, when Alexander Zelin, the former commander of the Russian Air Force and the current Assistant Secretary of Defense, presented a plan to purchase aircraft before 2025, the stealth fighter LFI was marked in red, indicating that the program had not yet been approved, and therefore its fate not clear.

However, depending on the success, as well as the price of the T-50, LFI may still appear as a cheaper solution ... and with great export potential.
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  1. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia April 26 2014 09: 03
    +79
    Not an article, but another prapogandos.

    Maybe right away you’ll start to post Bander-TV here?
    1. mongoose
      mongoose April 26 2014 09: 08
      -15%
      what a cute bunch ... ma!
      1. mongoose
        mongoose April 26 2014 09: 45
        -1
        how cute laughing how many defenders do the vile Russophobian libel
        1. Predator
          Predator April 26 2014 10: 26
          +14
          Better let him write about the modernization of his 15,18, which is still a der M about!
          1. Hippopotamus
            Hippopotamus April 26 2014 11: 59
            +14
            After reading a half-article, it was as if he had stepped on a pile of canine dog. Well, don't get upset now! Immediately, the author is a poor person. Such people need to be spared, nourished, nourished, heated and kept in straitjackets. smile
            1. jjj
              jjj April 26 2014 14: 29
              +6
              There is a conclusion that since the Russian Air Force was satisfied with the "Algerian" aircraft, the quality and combat characteristics of the MiGs are at their best. In general, it is written as a compilation from various texts. Moreover, many things were expressed earlier by our "experts". And then you think: either the Americans are carefully studying the work of our verbiage, or from America ready-made theses come to our "experts" that need to be literally voiced
              1. VAF
                VAF April 26 2014 14: 33
                +4
                Quote: jjj
                that since the Russian Air Force was satisfied with the "Algerian" aircraft, the quality and combat characteristics of the MiGs are at their best.


                So why not be happy if you flew at 9-12, and immediately moved to the "French" stuffing on the avionics.? wink
                Therefore, everyone is very happy !! fellow
                1. sniper
                  sniper April 26 2014 15: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: vaf
                  Therefore, everyone is very happy !!
                  Hello, Sergey ! Somehow I didn’t like this article, but alas, I’m not at all strong at aviation ... Tell me, how are things really with MiGs ???
                  1. VAF
                    VAF April 26 2014 15: 21
                    +4
                    Quote: sniper
                    Tell me, how are things really with MiGs ???


                    Hi Nikolay! drinks ..If honestly .. then .. I would like for better! Basically, there are not enough capacities, well ... the personal composition would not hurt .. we omit the political component.
                    down there is my koment. where I wrote where these SMT came from drinks
                    1. sniper
                      sniper April 26 2014 15: 36
                      +2
                      Quote: vaf
                      down there is my koment. where I wrote where these SMT came from
                      Thank you, brother, I’ve already read everything, it seems to have become clearer, although there are still a lot of questions ... wassat I myself have worked for 17 years at the "Screen" MAPovsky ... Come on, brother, for the sky and for the wings in the sky !!! drinks
      2. Puler
        Puler April 26 2014 12: 46
        +1
        Quote: mongoose
        what a cute bunch ... ma
        nice bunch ... ma in the head!
        if SU24 my peer terrified a new Yankee cart that new ones might ...
    2. SHILO
      SHILO April 26 2014 09: 11
      +55
      Ну what for example, keeping one developer and manufacturer represented by Sukhoi is also not smart. Put things in order and move on.
      1. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 April 26 2014 09: 23
        +33
        collapsed quickly, but you need to restore the sweat. Why not break through and everything will be fine.
    3. Dilshat
      Dilshat April 26 2014 10: 08
      +17
      Not having read the middle of the article, the author is already clear the foreigner.
      1. Tanechka-clever
        Tanechka-clever April 26 2014 11: 26
        +21
        "I understand the author is a foreigner" - the MiG will not fly anyway - if it were not for the urgent rearmament of the war of 41-45, the USSR would not have won - patriotism is a powerful force, but unarmed infantry will still scatter against the tank or lie down with corpses. Therefore, it does not matter who writes the article - a foreigner or Russian. Some Russian journalism - reeks of American sponsorship. There are two important points in the article: Algeria refused and this is a fact, and those involved in this fraud were sentenced in May 2012, and they were convicted not abroad, but in Russia. It is usually worth a lot to close your eyes to the obvious and not respond in a timely manner. And the fact that those who came to power in the 90s wanted to use talents and inventors for "freebies" is a fact. By the way, the current Kiev Banderites have the same hope. The patriotism of the talented should work for free, but the government forgets that creativity is a free bird and does not live long in a "slave" cage
        1. sesame
          sesame April 26 2014 11: 47
          +7
          And more:
          “After Algeria canceled the contract in 2007, about 15 MiG-29SMTs delivered to North Africa were returned to Russia, which paid for them on time in 2008. After a small inspection, the Russian Air Force accepted 30 of these fighters and sent them to the 14th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment. "
          How can I return 15 aircraft, and take in the regiment already 30?
          1. VAF
            VAF April 26 2014 11: 56
            +6
            Quote: sezam
            How can I return 15 aircraft, and take in the regiment already 30?


            Because planes are supplied in batches. and not "en masse" ... now, if the old sparks were put at the end .. then then all the accepted ones would be returned at once, and so .. it turned out that only those that were put back were returned ... 9-51A from which .. "blinded" edition MiG-29UBT (edition 9-52) wink

      2. mch1950
        mch1950 April 26 2014 13: 34
        0
        More precisely, a friend.
    4. varov14
      varov14 April 26 2014 10: 35
      +30
      And why the article is bad, cadres decide everything. If the moment is in failure, then the wrong hands are being driven. Or that, for 20 years they have been producing "lawyers and economists" now it turns out and there is no one to make a bet. It is high time to change the practice of the state in personnel policy, if the school prepares only "plumbers" according to the level of education, there is no need to inspire them to go to institutes and become unnecessary and unqualified "lawyers" in the future. Why trumpet from the TV screen about the need for higher education for everyone, if the state needs not only golden heads, but also golden hands, and education here is significantly different - pay for labor must be worthy of a person and everything will fall into place. Do not lead schoolchildren into an unnecessary temptation; you need to respect the professionalism achieved in the future in any business. Then planes will fly, trains run, their own computers will appear, etc.
      1. Grbear
        Grbear April 26 2014 10: 45
        +3
        varov14
        + For the conclusion and the ability to benefit for oneself, even from the "panting of partners". good
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 26 2014 11: 01
        +16
        Quote: varov14
        if the state requires not only golden heads, but also golden hands, and the training here is significantly different - the payment for labor should be worthy of a person and everything will fall into place.

        Extremely correct and important thought!
        In Germany, I met a specialist who carried out troubleshooting of ship diesel engines, without disassembling them, only by the sound of the unit. He alone replaced the brigade and saved time for assembly and disassembly. So this working man's salary was at the level of the company's chief specialist! He regretfully refused the offer to share a meal with us, because in an hour he had to fly to Amsterdam to troubleshoot another diesel engine. So much for the level of a "simple" worker!
      3. lelikas
        lelikas April 26 2014 12: 23
        +4
        Quote: varov14
        Then the planes will fly ....

        As Vasily Ivanovich said - "but there is one small nuance ..." The MiG office is state-owned and works for defense - for our defense, it almost completely depends on orders from the state - and if they are not there, then there is no money and everything else.
        Exactly the same junk can be called the Boreas and Ash-trees, built over decades, I generally am silent about the modernization of the T72M3.
        1. typhoon7
          typhoon7 April 26 2014 14: 31
          0
          I subscribe to your comment.
      4. old man 72
        old man 72 April 26 2014 14: 07
        0
        Oh, how I agree with you varov14 !!!
      5. typhoon7
        typhoon7 April 26 2014 14: 28
        +6
        The Algerian party is not entirely in quality. They ordered the MiG-29M ++, completely zero, but due to a lack of funds, all the stuff of the MiG-29M ++ was pushed into the airframe (9-13 felts, specialists know felts 9-15). Naturally, everything was revealed. I think that if Sergey Korotkov had led the MiG then this would not have happened. On the other hand, if Western zhurnalyugi doused with mud, then the affairs of the MiG went on the mend. More than 20 boats, 32 SMT, after 2016 more than 100 35s, in addition, the removal and modernization of all 31 who were on conservation, creation of a hypersonic interceptor. Establishment of MiG-29 service stations in India. The prospects are good. And the boat engines, at maximum afterburner, they give out 10,5 tons of thrust (albeit for a short time), find at least one more such fighter in the world. And the MiG-z5 is a top fighter.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 26 2014 14: 46
          +5
          Quote: typhoon7
          They ordered the MiG-29M ++, completely zero, but due to a lack of funds, all the stuff of the MiG-29M ++ was pushed into the airframe (9-13 felts, specialists know felts 9-15).


          No, they ordered 9-13CM / 9-14C ..... 9-15 did not go into production .... released only 6 pieces (including with OVT and Mig-35D).

          And distinguish between ... Mig-35 and Mig-35S ... these are even more different machines, and if the first is only in drawings and in some bench units and mock-ups, then the second is a Mig-29m / m2 aircraft, ready for release, the truth with a mechanical Beetle soldier
          really hope so far .. recourse +! drinks
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet April 26 2014 15: 51
          +2
          Quote: typhoon7
          the entire stuff of the MiG-29M ++ was pushed into a rear glider

          This is called cheating, scam, falsification - as you like, but the result is one, with such offices customers are trying to no longer have business. So we got a pocket
    5. lelikas
      lelikas April 26 2014 10: 52
      +7
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Not an article, but another prapogandos.

      If it were not Posted by Thomas Newdick - decided that Poghosyan wrote it;).
      On the other hand, even imported potential friends already see what distortion today in our aviation industry is sad.
      1. Little Muck
        Little Muck April 26 2014 11: 37
        +3
        Quote: lelikas
        If not for the author Thomas Newdick - decided that Poghosyan wrote it

        By the way, your assumption is the place to be.
        Who knows what kind of "beast" hides under "Thomas Newdick"?
        Maybe you are not far from the truth. hi
    6. Su24
      Su24 April 26 2014 16: 15
      0
      What is the article about? The beginning and conclusion are in no way interconnected.
    7. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 26 2014 16: 59
      +5
      this article, delirium of a sick imagination ... let's start with the fact that the mig-29 was even recognized by American experts as the best front-line fighter of all time ... when, after the unification of Germany, NATO received a few moments, the experts decided to see what the Russian machine was capable of .. .there were ten training battles a moment against their f-18 ... the result is 9-1 in favor of a moment! Shock for amers ... that's when the order came out not to enter into competitions at the shows in a flash, so as not to kill all faith in their cars and the spirit of American pilots ... that with regards to the idiocy with which this article is dazzling, I come to the conclusion that the person who wrote it is either dark in matters of military aircraft construction like 12 o'clock in the morning, or wrote this "masterpiece" of some kind under dictation pro-Russian activist ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 26 2014 18: 43
        +4
        sorry, not pro-Russian, but anti-Russian ... sorry for the mistake
  2. kush62
    kush62 April 26 2014 09: 04
    +26
    As soon as I read Putin before playing with his muscles, I immediately understood the enemy article.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 26 2014 09: 09
      +24
      Quote: kush62
      I immediately understood the enemy article.

      Posted by Thomas Newdick He does not know where MiGs are going, he typed articles from the press and printed his article.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 26 2014 10: 09
        +16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Posted by Thomas Newdick

        Something I do not believe that this is a real name, or rather a surname. More like the stage name of a porno actor. Newdick is translated from English as "New X ..", well, that is, a man's dignity.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer April 26 2014 16: 05
          +5
          Do you think this is the literary pseudonym of John Kerry?
    2. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey April 26 2014 09: 23
      0
      No, the Pogosyan’s business lives and grows stronger and eliminates possible competitors; most likely, the MIG is waiting for the unification, or rather, the devouring by the Pogosyan Corporation, and will it be for the better?
      1. varov14
        varov14 April 26 2014 10: 50
        +4
        Here I made similar conclusions from the article, and plus to this, that with the personnel policy the mess is run not by professionals, and not disdain of dough and vparivanie junk. And where the state is looking, and for some reason we have different ministries and departments, apparently for the same purpose - to cut the loot and to steal different huh @ ny to the higher management and along the chain. It turns out instead of using the machinations and trips.
      2. Turkestan
        Turkestan April 26 2014 22: 01
        0
        No, the Pogosyan’s business lives and grows stronger and eliminates possible competitors; most likely, the MIG is waiting for the unification, or rather, the devouring by the Pogosyan Corporation, and will it be for the better?

        I read the article and the sensations of ordering. And I do not exclude the hands of the company DRY leading leading a tough fight with its competitors in Russia. This applies to both combat aircraft and civilian.
    3. almost demobil
      almost demobil April 26 2014 10: 10
      +2
      Quote: kush62
      As soon as I read it before playing with Putin’s muscles, I immediately understood the enemy article

      You can understand that much earlier, read "The Kremlin has made an order" or "Moscow has made an order" and everything immediately becomes clear. yes
    4. thinker
      thinker April 26 2014 15: 49
      +1
      You can’t say more precisely! Put a shadow on the wattle fence fool
  3. Ilkhan
    Ilkhan April 26 2014 09: 09
    +20
    Competitive article. Written by a lobbyist for the Western military-industrial complex. We lose tenders to India or somewhere else, not because of the poor quality of new cars, but because of the high corruption among Indian generals and those responsible for buying. American and French corporations can pay them money through advertising or something else. Yes, and they cheat with the cost, set one price, and after a year they are bullied by two or three, apparently to beat back bribes)))
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 26 2014 09: 20
      +14
      Competitive article. Written by a lobbyist of the Western military-industrial complex

      Absolutely right. The meaning is clear. Do not buy from Russians, buy from Americans.
      However, in an article, even an enemy one, one must always fetch information, and this is a more complicated matter than simply being indignant.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 April 26 2014 09: 23
      +9
      That's right: "an attempt to save ..." - of course, to save!
      First, after the leadership of the pro-Amer liberals, Mig was almost dead, now you have to save him, so that then there would be a constant stream of new, needed and good cars!
    3. voveim
      voveim April 26 2014 09: 53
      +6
      That is exactly what happened with the French Rafale fighters: now they are demanding 11 billion instead of 14 billion. Rupees, however, not dollars ... But the Indians were still offended.
  4. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 26 2014 09: 09
    +13
    Posted by Thomas Newdick ... that says it all! An article to calm the western man in the street! and so: LET DO NOT RELAX !!! everything is not as Thomas presents ... wassat
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 April 26 2014 09: 26
      +9
      Yes!
      This article has a place on Estonian-Latvian resources.
      They like to openly (and not surreptitiously) throw mud at Russia, like an "echo".
      -Hello, the restored 5th convoy of unbending ideological fighters! am
    2. Sergh
      Sergh April 26 2014 09: 40
      +8
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Posted by Thomas Newdick

      Eprst, the whole Internet was covered, and about this Thomas Newdick NOT A WORD. All sorts of other Thomas in bulk. It seems that this pseudonym was taken specifically for this article by some Amer correspondence in the aircraft industry.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich April 26 2014 09: 47
        +7
        Quote: Sergh
        Eprst, the whole Internet was covered, and about this Thomas Newdick NOT A WORD.

        laughing Thomas, no, but MiG IS! wink
    3. Semurg
      Semurg April 26 2014 09: 50
      +7
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      Posted by Thomas Newdick ... that says it all!

      A joke. Man, don’t drink water from this lake; all sewage flows down there. That .... Yes, you two hands scoop up the water clean as a tear. laughing
  5. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil April 26 2014 09: 10
    +11
    It's like in "Office Romance" - "So good, you have to take."
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 26 2014 12: 07
      +13
      Quote: Standard Oil
      "So good, you have to take it."

      The MiG-35 can carry promising Russian and foreign-made aircraft weapons. It has super-maneuverability due to powerful thrust vectoring engines. One of the main features is the presence of the Zhuk-A radar with an active phased array antenna. The radar makes it possible to operate in parallel in the "air-to-air" and "air-to-surface" modes, to recognize and classify group and single air objects at a distance of 150 km, and sea objects at a distance of 250 km.
      MiG-35 can accompany 30 and simultaneously attack 8 targets. By the combination of combat characteristics, maneuverability and protection against missile destruction, the MiG-35 is the best light fighter in the world among all produced analogues. And according to the price-quality criterion, he, apparently, surpasses even the fifth-generation American fighter JSF-35.
      Russian Air Force plans to purchase 37 MiG-35. And in case of successful operation, purchases will be continued. http://www.rg.ru/2013/08/26/mig.html
      That is why the amers and the hedgehog with them need to foul this car.
      And our Air Force really needs a light fighter. So let the MiG continue its flight!
      1. VAF
        VAF April 26 2014 13: 52
        +5
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        MiG-35 can


        Alexander. Greetings! That's it ... maybe .. CUT more likely when it will be! +! drinks

        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        the presence of the "Zhuk-A" radar with an active phased antenna array. The radar allows parallel operation in the air-to-air and air-to-surface modes


        So far, only on tests and ... by air and by land ... well, no way. different "configuration" of the beam .. or a narrow beam or cosecans'2 .... otherwise only two antennas and two calculators wink

        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        And our Air Force really needs a light fighter. So let the MiG continue its flight!


        Only for, +! good soldier But before that ... you still have to live recourse
        1. Gregazov
          Gregazov April 26 2014 14: 40
          +2
          I was on MiG in 1998, when it was planned to sell the MiG SMT batch in export version of the SME, at the request of the buyer, the old radar was supplemented by the forward aperture synthesis mode plus an optoelectronic sight for ground targets. The deal with Ecuador did not take place, it was interrupted by Ukraine, shoving the used MiG-29 and Su-27 at a cheaper price. I don’t understand, in principle, where did the author see the new car?
          1. VAF
            VAF April 26 2014 14: 53
            0
            Quote: GregAzov
            when it was planned to sell the MiG SMT batch in the export version of the SME, at the request of the buyer, the old radar was supplemented by the forward aperture synthesis mode plus an optoelectronic sight for ground targets.


            That's right, +! there was such a thing .... only the machines were not SMT, but C (9-13C) and they left as SE soldier and all 9-13 were already with "synthesis" and OEP .. still at 9-12 .. put
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 26 2014 16: 41
          +2
          vaf (1) RU

          Only for, +! good soldier But before that ... you still have to live recourse[/ quote] Seryoga, why are you? you’ll remember in your old age: here were cool MiGs in my time ... the current ones are not that ... some kind of hypersound ... (well, like all old people ...) laughing
  6. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 April 26 2014 09: 10
    +8
    Pure article provocateur and traitor. am
  7. Signaller
    Signaller April 26 2014 09: 13
    +5
    Verbal diarrhea is definitely.
  8. major071
    major071 April 26 2014 09: 14
    +13
    I am always killed by the opinion of overseas "experts" who have gathered information from the Internet. The most important thing is to explain, to throw a grain of doubt. Better keep an eye on your drintoleta and dig in your village, and here we will figure it out ourselves without you snotty ones.
    1. Dilshat
      Dilshat April 26 2014 10: 12
      +5
      Fortunately, it’s not even clear for the expert that the article is far-fetched. It was necessary to write something negative, they wrote it around the bush.
    2. Little Muck
      Little Muck April 26 2014 10: 18
      +8
      Quote: major071
      I am always killed by the opinion of overseas "experts" who have gathered information from the Internet.

      All according to the principle:
      I am so glad to see you. I'm crazy about you. Yes there, I love you.
      Therefore, cf. on your chest to be even closer to your heart. wassat
      Article minus. The author's expense. am
  9. JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 26 2014 09: 19
    +8
    MIG-29, of course, is one of the best fighters, but nevertheless, we must take a closer look at export deliveries and speed up work on its replacement. In this, the author is right.
  10. Arkan
    Arkan April 26 2014 09: 20
    +2
    The MiG needs to be restored.
  11. Strashila
    Strashila April 26 2014 09: 21
    +8
    Ruhlyad The etymological dictionary of the Russian language
    Iskon junk. Suf. the derivative from the collapsed “movable property” (in other Russian languages ​​and dialects is still noted), a substantiated form cf. R. adj. rotten “mobile”, kindred Ukrainian. Ruh "movement", to crush. Junk initially - "movable property."

    ... learn Russian powerful language.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 26 2014 09: 50
      +5
      Quote: Strashila
      .. learn Russian powerful language.

      and in ancient times in Russia, junk was called furs of sable, marten and so on. hi
      1. Strashila
        Strashila April 26 2014 11: 00
        +1
        soft junk ...
  12. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT April 26 2014 09: 21
    +5
    Had to operate the MiG-29 and Su-27. I will not evaluate LTH, although everything is clear with them. But the operational manufacturability of the Su is not comparable higher. I will not believe that the MiG will be able to catch up, compare or go forward. The competition is lost and this must be recognized.
    Honestly, I did not understand what this article was about.
    1. Dilshat
      Dilshat April 26 2014 10: 15
      0
      But with skillful modernization, they wrote that he can shoot down enemy satellites. That he has a large "ceiling height".
    2. max702
      max702 April 26 2014 13: 57
      +3
      I agree with you, I myself have never been a pilot, but I talked with the flyers in Kubinka Duc, they were very skeptical about the combat qualities of the MIG 29, and everyone praised the Drying, and that the MIG turned out to be terribly raw and was brought to mind for 20 years, and others I heard a lot of non-flaws, they said directly that if it had not been for the lobbying of the "Jewish" office of MIG, this plane would never have seen the sky .. Above, in the comments, it was suggested that the MIG bureau had collapsed itself from within, putting the right people, relatives and others, and with this opinion I completely agree. Yes, the fact that one design bureau in the country is responsible for the development of almost the entire range of aircraft is wrong and the lack of competition leads to stagnation, but Poghosyan does at least something, and MIG is exclusively trying to leave on past merits .. Work and everything will be ..
      1. VAF
        VAF April 26 2014 14: 14
        +4
        Quote: max702
        but he talked with the flyers in Kubinka Duc, they were very skeptical about the fighting qualities of MIG 29, and everyone praised Sushka


        No offense..but or not talking to those. Or they misunderstood that. what they told you.
        First of all, which MiG-29 and which su-27?
        if we compare the MiG-29A and the Su-27P ... then the "extreme" was not near by the criterion of performing highly maneuverable combat at low and medium altitudes.
        The RLPK on Mige was already at that time better than on the Su .. but by and large both were "doves of peace" soldier, only now it "broke" more often Dry wink

        And in general, it is not correct to compare a light front-line fighter and a heavy multi-functional.

        Here you have an "interesting" it turns out and SMIG destroyed a flock of Tupoles and Ilyushents and Yakovlevtsy, Myasishchevtsy in general ... they drove into electronics, Beria's people are practically ... on the way ...
        one Poghosyan .. "handsome" wassat
        Nothing comes to mind? wink
      2. Orakul2000
        Orakul2000 April 27 2014 01: 18
        +4
        I don’t know who you talked to, but when I was in the army, I served in the Israeli Air Force from 96-99, in 98, at one of our bases, 4 MiG 29 M. were tested. Our squadron F-4E "Kournas 2000" , also took part in these test joint flights, as did 4 F-16 "Netz" aircraft, 4 F-16 "Barak" aircraft, 4 F-15E "Baz" aircraft - the names in brackets indicate that these aircraft underwent Israeli modernization. So, as a Russian-speaking person, I often had to be in the role of an interpreter, so I talked a lot with the technicians serving the MiGs, I got myself under, over and in them, and also talked with the flight personnel of MiGs and then often talked with our Israeli pilots who also performed a series of flights and training battles as MiG pilots. So I'll tell you that our pilots are very sophisticated with a large number of hours of flying and experience (our most junior pilot was in the rank of lieutenant colonel) and at the beginning they calmly reacted to the MiGs, but after the air battles it turned out that not only prevails over the F-16, but also over the F-15 E. If the battle takes place at long distances, then the electronics of the MiG was much weaker than the Israeli modification of the F-15 or F-16. Air - the ground also leaves much to be desired, again from electronic filling. Also, our flyers liked the engines (though, as they said, the MiG's radius still leaves much to be desired), the pilot's seats. In general, as they said, the plane is not just very good but cool, because unlike modern Western aircraft where many flight modes are limited by a computer, in a MiG the pilot feels not just a pilot, but a pilot - a predator, and if it were bought by our Air Force and about -Upgraded to the level of F-15E, which is in our service, in general, there would be a fairy tale cooler than any f-15,16, Eurofighters, etc. So you're in vain, the plane is not just good, the plane is cool and very necessary for solving many problems in wartime, the only thing you need to properly upgrade it, then it will be able to protect your sky for many years.
        With respect.
    3. Gregazov
      Gregazov April 26 2014 14: 43
      +2
      When testing the Mig-29 in Akhtubinsk, the coats of the technical composition of the aircraft and engine group were similar to leather ones, as many fuel and lubricants flowed from all the cracks.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 26 2014 14: 56
        +2
        Quote: GregAzov
        on so many fuels and lubricants flowed from all cracks.


        It was such a thing drinks especially at 9-11
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich April 26 2014 15: 55
          +2
          Quote: vaf
          Quote: GregAzov
          on so many fuels and lubricants flowed from all cracks.


          It was such a thing drinks especially at 9-11

          spruce-burns ... you scare me ... what was the truth? and how now? I wouldn’t believe it, but since Lyokha confirmed ... the jamb is a specific pancake. sad
    4. typhoon7
      typhoon7 April 26 2014 14: 59
      +2
      The MiG-35 has it higher than the Su-35, even Rogozin signed it, and the price and quality, cost also come from here, and the Su-35 it is twice or more higher (45 maximum against 80-100 and even 120 million green rubles) For this, Kazakhstan does not buy the Su-35, it is waiting for the MiG-35 to go into the series. They know that the MiG-35 is a top model that surpasses Sukhoi’s quality in terms of price, as well as ease of maintenance, is not inferior in multifunctionality and surpasses it as a fighter. Why are we skewed? Because we have everything corporatized. Money rules everything. The United States realized that it was fatal for the defense industry and recognized the Soviet military industry as the best. We do not choose the aircraft we need or the ones we need, not the military, not the military commission, or the Air Force, but the head of the UAC (he also decides which planes are bad and which ones are good), I don’t think about the results.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 26 2014 15: 25
        +1
        Quote: typhoon7
        Money rules everything. The United States realized that it was fatal for the defense industry and recognized the Soviet military industry as the best. We do not choose the aircraft we need or the ones we need, not the military, not the military commission, or the Air Force, but the head of the UAC (he also decides which planes are bad and which ones are good), I don’t think about the results.


        Only, +! drinks And in general .. the whole koment good
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich April 26 2014 15: 51
      +2
      Quote: ODERVIT
      Had to operate the MiG-29 and Su-27. I will not evaluate LTH, although everything is clear with them. But the operational manufacturability of the Su is not comparable higher. I will not believe that the MiG will be able to catch up, compare or go forward. The competition is lost and this must be recognized.
      Honestly, I did not understand what this article was about.

      how so namesake? in your opinion Mig can not give us a light front-line or carrier-based fighter? But my eyes tell me otherwise! We really need this beautiful plane, we just need to support it financially, and if you say that we do not need the Mig, then you definitely belong to the enemies of Our Fatherland ... No.
  13. Ulairy
    Ulairy April 26 2014 09: 23
    +5
    Duc, such articles collected by paragraph from various sources and I can rivet (a ruble apiece). But, for example, Kozhukhov believes otherwise:
    "Additional fuel is placed in two conformal tanks with a total capacity of 2020 liters (1585 kg). Thanks to this, the range of the fighter when solving air-to-air missions without PTB has increased by 3 times. The restrictions imposed on flight modes in the presence of PTB are significantly The refueling boom, installed in the bow on the left, is removable and can be installed in the field in a maximum of 5 hours. It is believed that the use of refueling will allow the new MiG to be used "with virtually no range restrictions."
    And there is nothing to wind a snot on a fist. This is not junk!
    1. clidon
      clidon April 26 2014 10: 02
      +2
      “Kozhukhov” finds it interesting. The fuel supply for the MiG-29 (9-12) is located in five fuselage and two wing tanks with a total capacity of 4300 liters. We add, it turns out, a couple of comfortable tanks with 2020 liters and the radius increases .... 3,5 times!
  14. family tree
    family tree April 26 2014 09: 24
    +4
    Mdya what Aftir, apparently not in the courses that military representatives have returned to defense enterprises?
  15. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch April 26 2014 09: 27
    +2
    ... about 15 MiG-29SMT delivered to North Africa were returned to Russia, which paid for them in time in 2008. After a short check, the Russian Air Force took 30 of these fighters ...

    Magicians laughing
  16. Stinger
    Stinger April 26 2014 09: 30
    +6
    After Algeria canceled the contract in 2007, approximately 15 MiG-29CMT shipped to North Africa were returned to Russia, which paid for them in 2008 in a timely manner. After a small check, the Russian Air Force received 30 from these fighters and sent them to 14-th Guards Fighter Wing.

    Can anyone understand this billiards? Of the 15, they accepted 30, the remaining 40 should be sent to the author of the article as a fee.
    1. clidon
      clidon April 26 2014 09: 41
      +5
      Algeria managed to take 15 instants, and then returned it to Russia. In total, the order size was 28 vehicles, which were bought by the Russian military.
      This is rather the quality of the translation.
  17. Santor
    Santor April 26 2014 09: 42
    +2
    The most important thing is that the article itself is ridiculously written on April 19 ... This is when MIG-35 flies with might and main, the author writes that they have not yet passed the tests.

    Last year, when Alexander Zelin, the former commander of the Russian Air Force and the current Assistant Secretary of Defense, presented a plan to purchase aircraft before 2025, the stealth fighter LFI was marked in red, indicating that the program had not yet been approved, and therefore its fate not clear. - stood nearby, a red pencil served.

    Here is the source ... The photos are beautiful there :))) - https://medium.com/war-is-boring/3629dd50871c
    1. clidon
      clidon April 26 2014 09: 57
      +3
      The MiG-35 is actually being tested, even in the current "cut down" version, in fact, being a modified version of the naval MiG-29K. The "Indian" version with AFAR has been postponed for processing at all.
    2. voliador
      voliador April 26 2014 09: 58
      +1
      Just because they fly does not mean that they have passed the test. T-50s also fly.
  18. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 26 2014 09: 42
    +3
    ARTICLE ADVERTISING FARS, SORRY FOR TIME TAKEN.
  19. Chikua
    Chikua April 26 2014 09: 52
    +1
    An Apache AN-64E helicopter crashed on a residential building in northern Taiwan

    [media = http: //warfiles.ru/show-53866-novaya-modifikaciya-broneavtomobilya-tigr-m
    -spn-zapuschena-v-seriynoe-proizvodstvo.html]
  20. voliador
    voliador April 26 2014 09: 56
    +3
    And why so many minuses? It is not regrettable for me as a Russian, but the article is written in fact. At that time, the fact that Algeria returned our planes was in every way hushed up, so the people are not in the know.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 26 2014 11: 09
      +8
      Quote: voliador
      And why so many minuses?


      1. Only by no knowledge.
      2. Well, and patriotism .. but where would it be without him.

      Me. By the way, I did not like the same article, although a lot in fact, but the comments ... did not like more.

      And by the way, dear people, before we say urya - we get up off our knees, someone can explain the fact that our Mig-29K / KUB (which for us) are still in the LII for testing (although the Russian Air Force Bondarev had already accepted them and put them in and delivered them ... and so on and so on ... but it was November 2013), but ... and they didn’t even start painting ??? wink (how much time has passed ???)

      Mig-29K



      Mig29KUB

      1. VAF
        VAF April 26 2014 11: 38
        0
        Quote: vaf
        And by the way, dear people,


        Well, hto here such a bold MINUSER appeared ???? wassat
      2. Bolshev
        Bolshev April 26 2014 12: 46
        +3
        After December 2013, they can only be used on Liaoning or Wikrant (when they’ll build it) - they don’t paint until they are sold, everything is logical.
      3. yur
        yur April 26 2014 13: 57
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        2. Well, and patriotism .. but where would it be without him.
        I don’t put you cons, but it’s NOT BEAUTIFUL to ironize over patriotism.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 26 2014 14: 18
          +6
          Quote: yur
          but ironic over patriotism is NOT BEAUTIFUL.


          Because PATRIOTISM and "kindergarten .. GLUPISM" .. are not the same thing! soldier
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet April 26 2014 16: 08
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            Because PATRIOTISM and "kindergarten .. GLUPISM" .. are not the same thing!

            Some have patriotism, at the level of a company ensign: "If he said luminescence, then luminescence, and whoever disagrees, will go to load cast iron!"
    2. yur
      yur April 26 2014 13: 52
      +1
      Quote: voliador
      And why so many minuses? It is not regrettable for me as a Russian, but the article is written
      The disadvantages are for the bile spilled on the Russian defense industry.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet April 26 2014 16: 12
        +1
        Quote: yur
        The disadvantages are for the bile spilled on the Russian defense industry.

        “Sage, why did you say to one that the villains live here, and to the other - that good people live here?”
        “There are good people and bad people everywhere,” the old man answered him. - It's just that everyone finds only what he can search
    3. Cynic
      Cynic April 26 2014 14: 30
      +3
      Quote: voliador
      And why so many minuses? It is not regrettable for me as a Russian, but the article is written in fact.

      Indeed, there is no order from General Dynamics F-16 "Fighting Falcon", the 29th order!
      lol
      Yes _
      Quote: voliador
      How sad it is for me as a Russian

      The verbal construction is characteristic of a certain category of HOMO living in Russia, the white tape.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 26 2014 16: 04
      +2
      Quote: voliador
      And why so many minuses?

      From pathological rejection of critical articles written abroad. One person even called the author a traitor. What a traitor he is, whom he betrayed - yes, he is not even from Russia!
  21. delfinN
    delfinN April 26 2014 09: 58
    +2
    something like this turns out:
    "... Turgenev wrote to Mumu.
    Why was the monument to Tolstoy erected? "©
  22. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 26 2014 10: 00
    0
    For dill it is time to plant.
  23. Vorodis_vA
    Vorodis_vA April 26 2014 10: 09
    0
    what difference does it make !!! blink, drying, ana, carcass !! The main thing is that the missiles do not stale too much. If we open the mines, we’ll ventilate the planet .... JOKING
  24. pensioner
    pensioner April 26 2014 10: 11
    +4
    New formidable Russian MiGs may turn out to be junk.
    Posted by Thomas Newdick
    Thomas Newdick seems to be Professor’s new online reincarnation. Not otherwise...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 26 2014 12: 24
      +6
      Quote: retired
      Thomas Newdick seems to be Professor’s new online reincarnation.

      Yuri, hello! Given our general dislike for the Professor, we must give him his due: he was smarter and more cunning than that, he was. And this one is straight, like a sleeper, and simple, like three rubles.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner April 26 2014 14: 17
        +1
        Good afternoon, Alexander! hi
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        he was smarter and more cunning than that, he was. And this one is straight as a sleeper, and simple as three rubles.

        Under the simpleton began to mow. Encrypted yes .
  25. clidon
    clidon April 26 2014 10: 13
    +4
    In general, the article, although written negatively, but in general, it actually sets out a number of truthful data on purchases of Mig equipment.
    - In fact, the "Algerian" Migas (28 pieces) were redeemed, despite the fact that there were (fair) complaints about them.
    - In fact, the current contract (16 aircraft) for the MiG-29SMT is also a "buyback" of the aircraft that were to be handed over to the Syrians. Perhaps they will differ from the "Algerian" ones in the absence of imported electronics.
    - In fact, the MiG-35 is now, after losing the Indian tender, revised towards cheaper and simplified (rejection of AFAR, the airframe is somewhat simpler in terms of using composites), and is also maximally unified with the mastered and produced "sea" MiG-29K / Cube ... It is possible that by the time the order of the MiG-35 begins, some positive changes will take place (the same "board" will be tightened), but so far it is precisely a "cheap" fighter for filling holes in the military budget and finances of the MiG.

    As for the prospects for Miga, then, I think, not everything is so bad, although the team was seriously damaged in the troubles of the 90s. On the basis of the Mig-35, you can create an inexpensive car, which in fact (though relatively briefly) will be able to perform the task of supplementing modern 5th generation machines and be an export offer.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 26 2014 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: clidon
      In fact, the current contract (16 aircraft) for the MiG-29SMT is also the "buyback" of the aircraft that were to be handed over to the Syrians. Perhaps they will differ from the "Algerian" ones in the absence of imported electronics.


      Not true, because for the Syrians did Mig-29M / M2, i.e. new .....



      and not 9-12-13 for our future CMT .. still "lucky". that from the zagashniks they will excite 9-13C or 9-14 .. it will be like the first version of M2 9, which everyone calls MiG-35, which was prepared for the Indians).
      1. clidon
        clidon April 26 2014 13: 50
        +1
        Well then, in fact, cars are even more age-related.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 26 2014 14: 05
          +4
          Quote: clidon
          Well then, in fact, cars are even more age-related.


          Everything is very simple here +! wink

          Let's not talk about .. "successful reforming under strict guidance ..." and so on. already tired. BUT ...... if not for August 2008 .. scary to think. what would happen to our Armed Forces in the future ... only the Kremlin regiment parade.

          and so ... they saw their sight and..were horrified and began to move quickly. but ... in the period of "reform" suffered not only the Armed Forces (lack of materiel and personnel), but also the capabilities of the military-industrial complex as a whole.

          And then suddenly "NATA loomed" wassat statements of our LEADERS about that. that "..we finally found out who are friends and who are enemies ...." belay generally goes beyond understanding request

          And ours counted and ....... and in fact the Mig can only 12-16 cars a year .. well, if you push it against 20, and .. fight on what?
          Urya-patriotic figures are certainly good good , but ... it would be desirable to feel. and it is even better to have, but with this ..... recourse

          So the solution for the SMT was "born" ... quickly and already tested, especially since there is already a glider.

          And about age, yes .. The intended resource goes exactly on the glider and the form is registered on the glider. with all the resulting overhaul resources and terms. what
          1. clidon
            clidon April 26 2014 16: 51
            +2
            if not for August 2008 .. scary to think. what would happen to our aircraft in the future ... only the Kremlin regiment. parade.

            It was scary to go to such sites in 2005, when our TV was already in full swing propaganda for power and strength, and the reality (in the same BBC) was such that it is better not to know. The raids were shifted to the "pensioners" in order to raise their class before the "demobilization", the fuel was sold to the left, with reports upstairs about the increase in the number of training flights. And what to do with it, if on paper there are 23 living machines (12 more "donors" or sluggish current repairs), but in reality it is not scary to lift only 11 into the air?

            Now it has become much better - even though the new technology went to the troops, but now "patriotic thought" has stepped further - now we are generally the strongest and bravest, we are not afraid of anyone, we scare everyone. This is some kind of intoxication from success. And it is known that "a drunken sea is knee-deep, and a puddle is up to his ears."
  26. stranik72
    stranik72 April 26 2014 10: 23
    +2
    Quote: mongoose
    how cute laughing how many defenders do the vile Russophobian libel

    Libel? 100% true, I don't like it, I'll tell you more, according to the results of the February "big" exercises, the Air Force showed the lowest combat readiness due to poor logistics and insufficient reliability of aviation equipment, this conclusion was announced by the Ministry of Defense on TV. There is simply a lot of chaos in the defense industry and the air force, and it cannot be resolved in a year, and the measures are taken purely "conversational", so this is an article for the sane and the authorities, to understand what we are going to defend the Motherland with.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose April 26 2014 11: 28
      -1
      Well, exactly, as if kaneshna "truth" and nothing but "truth" from what year you publish the newspaper?
  27. Victor-M
    Victor-M April 26 2014 10: 31
    +1
    New formidable Russian MiGs can turn out to be junk.
    There is no hope for "maybe", we'll wait and see.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose April 26 2014 11: 32
      0
      Namely, don’t you find a typical liberal (according to Bolshevik) lie?
      the topic of the mace is taken, etc. a bunch of der ... ma falls out, against the background of real problems, problems are solved, dumpers make a new bunch of shit ... ma this time about the blink, and so in a circle, to remind the number of ukroinsky overcame?
  28. Aleksey11
    Aleksey11 April 26 2014 10: 34
    +1
    I do not understand why this article appeared here? Such stupid custom-made opuses are the sea. Let’s print them all, do we have enough normal articles?
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 April 26 2014 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: Aleksey11
      I do not understand why this article appeared here? Such stupid custom-made opuses are the sea. Let’s print them all, do we have enough normal articles?

      And over whom then to mock? So there is a reason and everything is in "business" .. There is an opportunity to relax. "Good" little article. The Opus Uniting All .. wink
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 26 2014 16: 17
      +1
      Quote: Aleksey11
      that we lack normal articles?

      And normal, is it when everything is in pink, when is everything fine and right? So it is called - self-deception!
      1. sazhka4
        sazhka4 April 28 2014 17: 47
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        So it is called - self-deception!

        Hotness.Molodost.Everything is needed now .. I am looking for that, a thousand of this .. Go do it .. Young because .. If you can .. Don't yell !!!. Personnel have been preparing for Years and Decades. It just doesn't appear like that ..
  29. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus April 26 2014 10: 35
    +2
    What kind of vyser is this Saturday morning?))
    1. sazhka4
      sazhka4 April 26 2014 15: 10
      +2
      Quote: Bashkaus
      What kind of vyser is this Saturday morning?))

      Saturday. Someone has already taken a beer .. Relax .. (And I just came home from work and the beer does not "shine"). Reading the comments, I also relax .. laughing
      1. 52
        52 April 26 2014 15: 39
        0
        I also relax with beer, but I can't "taste", what does the pendo bol photographer Petro Butovsky have to do with it? Looks like the experts have a fftora articles of tension, and mabut and peremoga!
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  30. Palych9999
    Palych9999 April 26 2014 10: 37
    +3
    The article of the "foe" is of good quality, everything is stated correctly, without distortion, the disparate facts in their dynamics are collected and systematized.
    And the fact that you need to have a fleet of heavy and light fighters is undeniable.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose April 26 2014 11: 33
      0
      kaneshno, kaneshno it is necessary, everyone knows what is needed when it is necessary, but they do not want not to pay for the solution, and they do not know how to do anything, let alone impose Everest from "childish surprise" is "sacred" repeat
  31. sir.jonn
    sir.jonn April 26 2014 10: 45
    0
    The article points to the problems of a new 29 instant with an amateur’s glance without refuting the fact of the prospect of machines of this class and the company itself, but the headline says that instantly @.
    An obvious minus to the article and the author, it creates the impression of a person insecure.
    1. typhoon7
      typhoon7 April 26 2014 15: 37
      +1
      The fact of the matter is that everyone has problems, the Su-35 and Su-34, Mi-28, Ka-52, were also finished for a very long time, you don’t need to talk about the Yak-130 at all, patience and work will grind everything. Here the State policy regarding the military and civil aircraft industry should be completely changed. Everything is privatized and everything, then who has connections and money begins to learn what the country needs and what does not.
  32. Wiruz
    Wiruz April 26 2014 10: 48
    +2
    It's a pity "MiG" blocked his air
    1. typhoon7
      typhoon7 April 26 2014 15: 21
      0
      NOT everything is so bad, believe me.
  33. rubin6286
    rubin6286 April 26 2014 11: 19
    +1
    I always thought that junk is something old and old, for example, furniture that is stored for some reason, although it's time to throw it away.
    If 20 years ago in the Russian Air Force there were 430 MiG-29 front-line fighters that were new enough for that time, today there are much fewer of them, and those that are modernized and not just “junk”, but “not junk” . In general, parity is maintained between Russia and our “friends” for all types of aircraft, no matter how much they would like to. MiG-29SMT, MiG-29K, MiG-35 - modifications of the famous fighter. In some ways, they complement and surpass their predecessor, being the best in their class. Design and technical thought does not stand still, work on the LFI is currently being carried out successfully, the aircraft has gone through the LI cycle and without any chatter it is preparing for serial production.
    MiG is a state corporation and, in this sense, it does not threaten any financial collapse. She has built, is building and will continue to build modern combat aircraft that are effective, capable of conducting highly maneuverable aerial combat and ensure air superiority over any probable enemy.
  34. huginn
    huginn April 26 2014 11: 27
    0
    What kind of nonsense?
  35. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 26 2014 11: 28
    0
    The Air Force should have both light and heavy fighters, we have no problems with heavy fighters, but with light there is a small snag. While MiG is engaged in light fighters with us, we will have to interact with it. If, for example, Design Bureau Yak gives a good version of a light fighter to the mountain, the Moscow Region will decide on its adoption, there would be options, but so far, alas, they haven’t.
  36. Fiero
    Fiero April 26 2014 11: 40
    +1
    MiG has degraded itself and there is no Poghosyan's fault. Such a brand was ruined ...
    1. typhoon7
      typhoon7 April 26 2014 15: 43
      0
      What does the MiG have to do with it, people’s conscience has degraded, the plane itself has remained beautiful and has remained, moreover, the state has direct influence on the Air Force on the Navy, and reforms are not always effective. Why it was necessary to break the honed mechanism for decades, on which even the states laughed.
      1. Fiero
        Fiero April 26 2014 20: 23
        +1
        What else to break? The poor MiG leadership in the 90s is to blame for the fact that their planes are worse than Su or Yak.
        For now, the country needs only the best and now has no money for rubbish (like the MiG-23 in due time), in the United States, by the way, the Boeing also has a lot of pain that they were offended and the F / A-18 doesn’t buy ... A lot.
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  38. sv68
    sv68 April 26 2014 11: 42
    +1
    the author may turn out to be an ordinary dunce, even plainly not understanding the essence of the problem, or it may turn out to be an unusual ostalope, in short, the author is a dunce fool
  39. Igor Gor
    Igor Gor April 26 2014 11: 45
    0
    Probably not in vain Kerry squeals like a pig at our Russian media ...) Don't go to the fortuneteller, the author pulled this article from the archive of the late 90s, under the shamanism by dates, adapted it for 2014. and shows all his "professionalism" (Enough hysteria))) Yes, the sanctions will force us to work more efficiently ...))) I want to remind many of the aphorism known to many, and who does not know now know - "The war will come, put everyone in their place .. . ")))
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  41. lelikas
    lelikas April 26 2014 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: Little Muck
    Maybe you are not far from the truth.

    Judging by what we immediately got minus - Mikhail Aslanovich regularly visits our site laughing hi
  42. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat April 26 2014 12: 23
    +1
    Of course, in sight! Like the T-50. After all, the new standards are set by the supernova American F-35. It’s worth knowing that it flies intermittently, not long and far. Supersound does not develop, does not carry shells. For the pilot, a personal gazenvagen. That is what comrades are striving for. And then we do junk - a cheap machine flies on supersonic carrying the dofig of ammunition in the stealth mode.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 26 2014 17: 10
      0
      On supersonic (cruising) and even in stealth mode, nothing of us from the 29th family flies.
      The nonsense written about F-35 I will not even comment.
  43. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 26 2014 12: 35
    +2
    Gentlemen, Admins, you have already crossed all the limits and are starting to declare the comment inadmissible, although I do not use profanity, but only expressed my agreement with Al.Romanov! watch yourself and do not become like a Ukrainian. Media! And I wrote the following: "This article is another attempt to denigrate our Aviation Industry, its military component. Our Migis are no worse than the F-16 and F-22 (on which pilots are afraid to fly because of fear of suffocating in flight), and in some respects ours even better than the American ones ... Do you think this is unacceptable? Lived ... It looks like you are being edited from Washington!
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 26 2014 17: 10
      +3
      How did you even think of comparing the Mig-29 and the F-22? fool
  44. rocketman
    rocketman April 26 2014 12: 42
    -1
    I did not understand what aFFtor called junk?
  45. Palych9999
    Palych9999 April 26 2014 12: 47
    -4
    In general, in a local, continental conflict, border skirmishes, such as the southern neighbors and the Baltic states, "supersonic" is not at all necessary, and for military air defense, supersonic and non-svezhsound are not decisive.
    In this regard, as a front-line, army aviation, along with the SU-25, the Yak-130 is very relevant, only the new engine is finally brought to mind and these little "bees" could bite very, very painfully.
    And the price, in comparison with the DRYERS-"ducklings" and the same Mig-35, costing 1 billion +/- 100 million, is 30-40% less.
    On the enemy's planes, it is necessary to work with air defense means, and not with "Kozhedubs" with "Pokryshkin", air duels are the past, but to support the troops on the ground - the YAK-130 is the thing.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 26 2014 17: 11
      +2
      Yak-130 is not suitable for a serious war.
  46. doc62
    doc62 April 26 2014 12: 52
    +1
    Well, not the first time pugs yap and the elephant goes on
  47. Earnest
    Earnest April 26 2014 13: 12
    +2
    Quote: BoA KAA
    ... With our general dislike of the Professor, we must give him his due: he was smarter and more cunning than that, he was. ...

    Was there? He is not with us? No, I do not agree so - an urgent replacement worthy of the flag of the home country! hi
    He’s like a litmus test, without him it will be hard!)
  48. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 26 2014 13: 53
    +7
    Quote: vaf
    Quote: voliador
    And why so many minuses?


    And by the way, dear people, before we say urya - we get up off our knees, someone can explain the fact that our Mig-29K / KUB (which for us) are still in the LII for testing (although the Russian Air Force Bondarev had already accepted them and put them in and delivered them ... and so on and so on ... but it was November 2013), but ... and they didn’t even start painting ??? wink (how much time has passed ???)

    VAF I'm not a pilot ... I belong to engineers who created, operated and so on.
    BUT BUT .. I TALK essentially! IDEAS are born LONG and dreary! than it ends up DONATE!
    And with regards to - GIVE YESTERDAY!
    IT WAS A LESS-POGOSYAN to listen and support ALL and MIGovtsev and Sushnikov!
    each for YOUR goals and objectives
    1. VAF
      VAF April 26 2014 14: 30
      +3
      Quote: Nitarius
      BUT BUT .. I TALK essentially! IDEAS are born LONG and dreary! than it ends up DONATE!
      And with regards to - GIVE YESTERDAY!
      IT WAS A LESS-POGOSYAN to listen and support ALL and MIGovtsev and Sushnikov!
      each for YOUR goals and objectives


      I completely agree, +! soldier
      And .. your letter in a personal has disappeared. Therefore, I will briefly answer here (point by point):
      1. According to Sknilov ... there Toponar has already "driven" the UBK into such modes. That ... nothing could have been saved. Moreover, the descending figures in the aerobatics are performed only in the engine operation mode on the MG, so there is no UFO , no rocket ...
      2. Pure cartoon wassat
      - in the first frame fighters from "Star Wars"
      - on the second, when they shoot under 3/4. it is very similar to the MiG-31s, but .. never in combat formation an interval of less than 3 meters and without Distance is not used, they do not enter the U-turn at low altitude with lowering the follower (only at window dressings and parades. but in a very familiar area, and when not, then .. remember Kamran).
      - too low speed at such a height and for tracking (noticed .. without any visible angle of attack and with fully retracted landing gear).
      - escort is carried out - one in front (indicates the direction), and the second in the back and not in the butt.
      Well, a lot more.
      so .. CARTOON !! drinks
  49. Deadmen
    Deadmen April 26 2014 13: 54
    +3
    By the name of the article I realized that she sucks.
  50. BOB48
    BOB48 April 26 2014 14: 07
    +2
    as the ancients said - look for someone who benefits from this article, who ordered, etc. - and the invisible opens !!!!