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Dead end or Gordian knot?

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Dead end or Gordian knot?



Two months of talking in all media only about the situation in Ukraine. A bunch of comments, the meaning of which is the same. Kiev junta illegitimate, and. about. one and all only do that harm the Southeast. And the Southeast, in turn, constantly struggles to change the status of the regions.

Ukrainian media are generally reports from the fronts. Around saboteurs, Russian soldiers with the separatists. And all this at intervals in 20-25 minutes fertilizes children's tears. The children then ask Putin not to kill them, then they ask to return the Crimea, because they want to go to the sea, then they sing about happiness and greatness of Ukraine in general.

In short, the feeling is that life has stopped. And all news also. Only the next arrests, and the corpses of the defenders of the roadblocks somehow refresh the gray.

Why did I write all this? It’s simply that it’s time to admit that Ukraine has already disappeared. There is no such state. There is a territory drawn on a political map. There are cities on this territory, there are peoples, even some kind of infrastructure ... But countries are not. Those who call themselves Ukrainians have achieved their goal. Only not his own, but someone else's, but, most importantly, they achieved it.

I already wrote that the events in Ukraine are not so much political as social. Well, there was no such people. And he was not born in the modern world. There were completely different groups of people, peoples, if you will, united into a single country. And now these people are aware of who they are and what they want to be ...

There are Russians, there are Little Russians, there are Galicians, there are Rusyns, there are Tatars. And no one can stop this process.

And what does the government supposedly do? Nothing ... It not only does nothing, it cannot do anything. Clean up with maydaunami? Well, do not make me laugh. How can these same maydauny in offices to disperse maydaunov on the street? How can they even sit in their offices without the help of people with bats and masks? Who will listen to nonsense, if there is no threat to health and even life?

Anti-terrorist operation? Again clowning ... Who is involved in it? Defense Ministry soldiers? Security forces? And where are they? The Internet gives the Ukrainian lost tank, which is driven around the field "Niva" by local residents, the BMD of reconnaissance paratroopers who gather dust near the local administration building in Kramatorsk, then the police, who knit ribbons on shoulder straps ... So who is involved in the ATO? "Right sector"?

Gangsters can act only as gangsters. And this is no longer an operation, these are vile nightly attacks on defenseless. They may intimidate someone with murder. But more often they just get angry ... And they get angry very much. And they understand it. That is why they do not climb especially into a fight. Such people usually value their skin very highly.

And what about the Southeast? Captured the building, created some kind of gathering, so what? And nothing. We are preparing a referendum. It is not legal, it is not recognized, but we will still spend it ... And this is where the question arises: what? Federation? And who recognizes the right to federation? Kiev? Doubtful something. Joining Russia, how did the Crimea? Will Russia agree? Not because these regions are not interesting to us, but because we can simply not economically draw such devastation. Our expenses have increased dramatically. And also thanks to Ukraine. The army must be re-armed, put NATO in place.

But back to the Southeast. Specifically for the current situation. Beautifully placed posts on the roads and other places - what's this? Real defense against armored vehicles or regular units? No, these are people set up by a human shield. Death planners, kamikaze, if you want. Any gang with weapons swoop sure to kill one or two. Then, of course, the fighters will come, shoot, maybe, of course, some of the attackers will be hooked. So what? Nothing again ...

What does the captured armored vehicles do, except, of course, posing in the square? What do the soldiers and officers who have gone over to the side of the people? Part of it poses, and part of it changes into civilian clothes and goes home.

It's time to admit that in Ukraine now the situation is such that nobody knows what to do. There is a simple destruction of people. And the one and the other. And probably enough already to hope for some supernatural forces. There is no such country de facto. And never will be. Western Ukrainians will never agree to live as the Eastern people want. And vice versa. They will never think the same, feel the same. Ukrainian truth will never be born ... the truth of the West and the East will always be.

So, there should be someone strong and domineering, who would say: stop fooling people. We are different and will never be the same. So, we disagree. Without elections, referendums, civil war. We just start living the way most people in the region want. Yes it is illegal. It contradicts something there. But this is what the people want. So, it will be so.

While there is no such leader, blood will not stop flowing. Having received the drive, the Ukrainians lost the country ... Or maybe they found it?
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  1. vlad0
    vlad0 April 23 2014 08: 11
    +6
    "This means that someone strong and domineering must appear, who would say: stop fooling the people. We are different, and will never be the same. This means that we disagree. Without elections, referendums, civil war."

    But will the modern Ukrainian people with a dull brain about their greatness and exclusivity perceive this? In the next five years is unlikely.
    1. Validator
      Validator April 23 2014 08: 13
      +32
      If only comes such as Mortar
      1. Duke
        Duke April 23 2014 09: 03
        +1
        Oh, the West is the West, the East is
        East, and they will not leave their places.
        Until heaven and earth appear
        on the Last Judgment.
        But there is no East, and there is no West, that -
        tribe, birthplace, race,
        If strong with a strong face to face
        At the edge of the earth rises?

        Kipling Rudyard
      2. The comment was deleted.
    2. domokl
      April 23 2014 08: 24
      +2
      Quote: vlad0

      But will the modern Ukrainian people with a dull brain about their greatness and exclusivity perceive this?

      In my opinion, people will take it exactly as it should ... More precisely, exactly as it will after the elections. Of course, if they take place ... The West will be for those who rule now, the East is against ...
      1. 120352
        120352 April 23 2014 10: 13
        +3
        domokl
        This kind of "equilibrium" can only be upset by a more active position of Russia and a more concrete position of the Donetsk people themselves in the referendum. Now they want to smear it in two stages. those. to give the Don's opponents the opportunity to concentrate and, before the second stage, eliminate the results of the first stage with the help of their bandits.
        The situation for the Donetsk people is now desperate! The military, who tied the St. George ribbons, took the side of the pro-Russian forces and they have no way back! The same civilian population, but to punish him, in which case, will not be so cruel.
        Without our support, these people will be repressed, and we will lose both people and territory. which today is striving for us. And most importantly - they will stop believing us! In this case, the Russian World may perish.
        We are encouraged by the position of American opponents.
        And in general, sometimes, in order to win, you must go on the attack! This time has come or will come from day to day. You have to be ready.
        1. Arhj
          Arhj April 23 2014 10: 26
          +2
          Russia's position is already quite active. We're already at the edge. I am sure that there is some kind of support for the "rebellious" regions. And I doubt that this support has no material component. Moral pressure is exerted, including the concentration of troops, regular exercises and disregard for Western sanctions. It will be more actively accompanied by direct military intervention, and this is exactly what the United States is seeking from us.
        2. Arhj
          Arhj April 23 2014 10: 34
          +1
          I will add. The balance will be disturbed by itself. People begin to see clearly against the background of the rumbling of empty stomachs. Maidan 3.0 is coming, where the requirements will be quite material. In other words, "for bread and bacon." And these demands cannot be shut up with screams that Russia and the South-East are to blame. slogans slogans, but want to eat.
          The so-called power feels this and therefore rushes about more and more actively, but sees no way out. But something needs to be done.
          In other words, one of the variations of the situation develops: "Either I take her to the registry office, or she takes me to the prosecutor."
          And our task by any means is to prevent truly active military operations in the Southeast and to support it financially. The rest for Russia will be done by time.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair April 23 2014 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        In my opinion, people will take it exactly as it should ...


        "Children's Special Forces School of the GRU in Donetsk"

        23.04.2014 @ Ukraine, Humor

        Shocking photos were sent by readers from Donetsk. Rumors about that shitty special forces are recruiting children into the ranks of the "people's militia" have been fully confirmed.

        The request to remove children under the age of 18 from the screens, because not every even fully trained fighter will withstand such pictures.
        This is the recruitment process. The child is simply taken away from the mother:



        The process of photographing a military ID:

        The whole report on:http://dbelyaev.ru/
    3. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 23 2014 08: 30
      +7
      Quote: vlad0
      And the modern Ukrainian people with a stupefied brain about their greatness and exclusivity will perceive this

      And this depends on who you have in mind! Judging by the characteristics you have given, these are people from the West. Well, let the Germans and the French, whose language descended from Latin, explain that Latin descended from the Mova. And they are therefore the coolest, and based on this Geyropa should feed them.
      And in the Eastern state, people have no show-offs. They remember who they came from. Their task is to build a normal, calm life for themselves and their children.
      The sooner Ukraine disperses into two countries, the better for normal people. Normal ones are those who want to build, not parasitize!
    4. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov April 23 2014 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: vlad0
      But will the modern Ukrainian people with a dull brain about their greatness and exclusivity perceive this?

      And judging by the results of the collapse of the USSR, the brain is drugged throughout the post-Soviet space, since we allow the collapse of our economy - the oligarchic elite. So Ukrainians are not an exception, and as for the national boom, how else can the creatures that destroyed the USSR justify themselves? Only by exaltation and exclusivity, and God's chosen people of a particular nationality (Ukrainians, Estonians, Russians - no matter), the main thing is to convince the people that they are such an exceptional person and having split off from the USSR - will heal as well, by virtue of its exceptional character.
      “This means that someone strong and domineering should appear who would say: stop fooling the people.” - in short, the author is happy to make a noise for justice, but nothing else will be done, because someone strong should appear by itself. wink
      The trouble is that in themselves basically bastards appear who want to parasitize the people.
      1. domokl
        April 23 2014 09: 05
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        in short, the author is happy to make noise for justice, but will do nothing more, because someone strong - should appear on its own. wink

        Do you suggest that the author go to Ukraine with a gun and head the movement? Do not you think that Ukrainians should decide the fate of Ukraine? With the help of the USA, with the help of Russia, with the help of the EU, but decide for yourself. With your own mind and with your own hands, and maybe lives ...
        Ukraine will remain ... The only question is what borders and how many will be ... these Ukraine ...
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov April 23 2014 10: 06
          0
          Quote: domokl
          Do you suggest the author to go with a gun to Ukraine and lead the movement? Do not you think that the fate of Ukraine should be decided by Ukrainians?

          Of course, Ukrainians must decide their fate, and if the author lives in Russia, then let the Russian problems be discussed and suggested ways to solve them. Because giving advice to Ukrainians is simple and stupid. At the level of information noise. And the noise has already filled all the media. Filled so that really important for the citizens of the Russian Federation can not hear him.
          1. domokl
            April 23 2014 10: 16
            +1
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Because giving advice to Ukrainians is simple and stupid.

            Do you really think Ukrainians are idiots who will not listen to advice? What is your strange position ...
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov April 23 2014 21: 11
              0
              Quote: domokl
              Do you really think Ukrainians are idiots who will not listen to advice?

              And you see the comments of the Ukrainians, such as: "Thank you, friends, for the valuable advice ?!"
              1. domokl
                April 24 2014 05: 36
                0
                Once upon a time I was taught by an excellent teacher of tactics. He literally drove into the minds of us, fools, that a decision should be taken only when everything that was possible about the enemy was collected, when reconnaissance was carried out by all means.
                So, the analysis of the situation has nothing to do with the decision. The Ukrainians should make the decision. We can only help with information ... Including conducting such an analysis of the situation from various sides ...
        2. 120352
          120352 April 23 2014 10: 30
          +2
          domokl
          Lomonosov counted 16 Ukrainians in his work "On Russian Oukrainami", if this is so important to you. All peripheral lands were traditionally called Ukrainians, and the question of their quantity is a question of administrative-territorial division. For example, there was the Oka Oukraina, separating the Russian land from the wild field, where hordes of Crimean Tatars ruled, stealing prisoners, and more often captives and taking them to slave markets. The slave trade was the backbone of the Crimean economy. But this ended in the time of Catherine the Great and New Russia appeared in those parts. Quite recently, the Daurian Ukraine existed in the Far East (it was originally written without an "o") on the borders of Russia with China. Very interesting Cossack songs on this topic, songs of Daurian Cossacks have survived. There was also the Pskov Ukraine. So, the number of Ukrainians is not a problem for us, but, as history shows, its solution, since Ukraine = a fortified border.
        3. Corsair
          Corsair April 23 2014 11: 27
          0
          Quote: domokl
          Ukraine will remain ...

          Not a question. And not even a question "how many there will be." There will be ONE and ALLIANCE of Russia.
          The deal is HOW, WHEN, WHICH, AND WHOSE BLOOD ...
    5. Wanderer H7
      Wanderer H7 April 23 2014 10: 46
      +2
      They will not be able to disperse themselves, because the Americans need military bases in Kharkov or Lugansk regions, the Navy base in Odessa, and the fascist Zapadents need cheap labor in coal mines and work in factories. Therefore, they do not want to let the southeast go. I see a solution to the problem only in the introduction of our polite people in order to hold a referendum and form New Russia. And then the defense of the new state by our army, the transition to the ruble zone, orders from Russia and the tense border guard with ukry ... That is, many, many billions of help from Russia. Otherwise, we get a fascist state on the 2000 km border and the NATO base there .... Alas! It is necessary to face the truth - despite the luck with the Crimea, the Ukrainian crisis is a huge defeat for Russia (((Which, however, will probably make us finally wake up and act decisively, revive the army, navy, patriotism, carefully monitor and influence situation in the countries of the former USSR ...
    6. host
      host April 23 2014 12: 14
      0
      As long as the so-called people's representatives (from the East) in the Verkhovna Rada will try to "sit on two chairs" and continue to flirt (participate in the presidential "elections") with neo-Nazis headed by the CIA, nothing will change in Ukraine.
      There will be a slow impoverishment of the population and bandit raids by "Pravoseks".
      "There are few violent ones and there are no leaders!"
  2. Revolver
    Revolver April 23 2014 08: 12
    +8
    Assessment of the situation is gloomy, but not without reason.
    1. domokl
      April 23 2014 08: 29
      +3
      Agree that the main players now cannot really give up their ambitions. Neither the United States nor Russia will ever leave their regions. And the people of Ukraine every day more and more diverge to different corners of the ring. And if earlier, before the ATO, the majority it was just for a federation, now more and more people are already in favor of joining Russia. And the encirclement of Ukraine does not hide its territorial claims ... The country has turned into a dying elephant in the African desert. Vultures have flocked and are just waiting for their eyes to dim in an animal ...
  3. ALTAY2
    ALTAY2 April 23 2014 08: 18
    +8
    I read the article and so wanted to answer something, to object, and after reading to the end I realized that there is nothing to say.
  4. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad April 23 2014 08: 18
    +4
    It must be admitted that the Kiev junta have few forces. Because of this, instructors from across the ocean visit them every other day.
    The army is demoralized. Pravoseki are effective in the majority. In the southeast, they keep in small groups, and when they make a mess somewhere, they quickly scatter, having received a "lyuley".
    The southeast needs to stick together and organize active resistance. It is best that he would be headed by the Tsarev. And then you can hope for the best.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo April 23 2014 09: 08
      +3
      Quote: x.andvlad
      The southeast needs to stick together and organize active resistance. It is best that he would be headed by the Tsarev. And then you can hope for the best


      Lugansk. Donbass.
      Tsarev? This is the one who was in the Party of Regions (the creator of the party of manual fascism OPG "svoboda" olega tyagnysr @ ka), and dreaming of edin Ukraine? Danunafig !!! Maybe someone is interested in him in the Kremlin, but here he is not needed by almost anyone - well, there is no such number of dumb people in the SE who want to continue the project "Ukraine" in any variation, which will inevitably lead to Maidans 3.0; 4.0; 5.0 and etc.
      1. domokl
        April 23 2014 09: 26
        +3
        Quote: Hudo
        Tsarev? This is the one who was in the Party of Regions (the creator of the party of manual fascism, the organized crime group "svoboda"

        Alas, here my thoughts converge with yours ... The Tsarev is now in sight, but I cannot believe that in the event of his victory we will get fair power in Kiev. Tymoshenko was also once east ...
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 23 2014 11: 32
          0
          Quote: domokl
          .Timoshenko, too, when it was east ...

          This is when belay let me ask you ...
        2. ed65b
          ed65b April 23 2014 12: 07
          0
          For me, Tsarev is much more real as a politician and leader of the southeast than Dobkin and company. And what he says about an undivided Ukraine is how he is a Ukrainian politician and he should talk about it until he decides which coast to take to for good and until he is definitely guaranteed support in Moscow. He thinks it’s not in vain that he meets with the Deputy Foreign Minister in Moscow with deputies and experts on GDP, and in comparison with politicians from the independent, the only one who has the eggs and the will. Not a coward, and it personally impresses me.
      2. PATTIY
        PATTIY April 23 2014 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        there is no such number of dumbbells in the SE who want to continue the project "Ukraine" in any variation,

        Admittedly, there will be no Ukraine. Sorry, Ukraine, who reads.
        The truth must be looked into the eyes. And its zapadentsy ruined on the instructions of the CIA.
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 23 2014 10: 23
      +3
      Quote: x.andvlad
      The southeast needs to stick together and organize active resistance. It is best that he would be headed by the Tsarev. And then you can hope for the best.

      Tsarev needs to be written off from political accounts, it makes no sense from him, like a goat of milk.
      If he were a politician with inclinations, then after the junta came, he had to sharply dissociate himself from the PR and break up to organize SE, and not fish, not meat.
      Now there is no personality in SE that can lead one swamp ...
  5. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich April 23 2014 08: 19
    +8
    Straight into the eye. The last phrase threw a little shit. What is called Ukraine is actually a cesspool. Recently, no matter who was in power of this formation, they did not hit a finger to do at least something for the country. No modernization, no sober view of the economy, the army was plundered, etc. The result is what is called the Maidan. Morality? Yes, there is no morality here. The intoxication of "nezalezhnastsyu" has done what the people call degradation. Degradation of society, economy, politics.
    For me, the country of Ukraine does not exist. There is a territory of Ukraine. Therefore, it is written with a small letter.
    Yes. Yet. An economy can replace politics; for that, no politics can replace economies. You can’t order a stomach ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 23 2014 08: 58
      +2
      Quote: Rurikovich
      You can’t order a stomach ...

      That's just the point! And do you know why they are somewhat mistrustful of the "new government" in the SE? Because they immediately ask questions: "Will the military pay us pensions and salaries?" People will simply have nothing to eat! And since the pension fund in Kiev, as well as the distribution of ALL financial flows in the same place, may well organize a "Holodomor" to cause discontent with the rebels! Until everything is settled ... time goes by and somehow you need to survive!
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich April 23 2014 23: 07
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        time goes on and somehow you need to survive!

        Quote: Egoza
        time goes on and somehow you need to survive!

        For some reason, it seems to me that the more time the Katavasia drags on in Ukraine, the more people will look around in search of food. By the way, we have significantly increased the number of Ukrainian cars on the roads. Reliable signs of an increase in the number of guest workers and potential crime.
        The trouble is ...
  6. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT April 23 2014 08: 21
    +4
    The whole problem is that it seems to me that they already have a leader, and this is the leader of a neighboring state, which, as the author writes, with whom I completely agree on this issue, does not want to burden himself with big expenses for economic recovery, because this will lead to a drop in the level life in the state he runs!
    PS: And I would suffer, dividends will wait a long time, I think I will not have to! In short, we are waiting for the referendum!hi
    1. nicollider
      nicollider April 23 2014 11: 37
      0
      damn - Putin only resume on Headhunter left to throw :) judging by the social. polls - would win everywhere - from Russia to South Africa (through the US and Europe).

      There are few real violent ones - here are no leaders (c) I don’t remember who.
      Indeed, Tsarev - not an option - tried to sit on 2 chairs - but there were no others.

      Unfortunately, only a deep social upheaval (civil war) will reveal the leaders and push them up.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 23 2014 11: 39
        0
        Quote: nicollider
        There are few real violent ones - here are no leaders (c) I don’t remember who.

        Vysotsky _
  7. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs April 23 2014 08: 23
    +6
    Joining Russia, how did the Crimea? But will Russia agree?


    And what to guess. Here the questions will be voiced at the referendum and it will immediately become clear how much ... You know, my father says to me: "Build your house, take your grandmother's plot while you have it, and build it." I told him: "I have no money." He told me: "Then he will never be at your house." As a result, I built a house. Hard, of course, but worth it.
  8. Signaller
    Signaller April 23 2014 08: 24
    +2
    They need a person with the data and charisma of Lenin, or how dad Makhno (the worst). The leader of the pack-0 alpha male .. Definitely, but so far these are dumb. The Soviet government apparently repelled the desire to protrude, and new times were finished off by this desire. It’s necessary to scrape them with a candle for a gimmick. They can find or help in the development of those who are hearing.
  9. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 23 2014 08: 28
    +5
    We are different and will never be the same. And that means we disagree.

    Unfortunately, Western Ukraine is DISAPPEARING peacefully from the South-East, the US and NATO do not have plans, so blood will continue to pour. Their plans, obviously - from Ukraine to make a second Libya, Syria. They are probably perplexed as it still does not occur a full-scale civil war. Bloodthirsty jackals.
    1. nicollider
      nicollider April 23 2014 11: 40
      +1
      inertness and patience of the Russian people. perhaps the genetic memory of the civil does not, perhaps the Russian mentality. Probably precisely this feature did not allow Russia to disintegrate in the 90s.
  10. alex47russ
    alex47russ April 23 2014 08: 28
    +3
    It is necessary to revive Ukraine! Only through the Southeast !!!
    1. Hudo
      Hudo April 23 2014 09: 32
      +1
      Quote: alex47russ
      It is necessary to revive Ukraine! Only through the Southeast !!!


      A subtle remark! And there are people who want to build a new mazepia in SE, you did not ask?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 23 2014 11: 39
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        A subtle remark! And there are people who want to build a new mazepia in SE, you did not ask?

        Still, you have to weigh your "desires" with the "needs" of an ally in the fight against the junta.
        Did you understand which state I mentioned?
        So, it is in his (state's) interests to SAVE ALL Ukraine, not allowing its split and not allowing NATO into it.
        In a somewhat distant future, this is part of the interests of the South-East, it is just that it is not "burning" at the moment. Until ...
    2. Wheel
      Wheel April 23 2014 10: 26
      +2
      Quote: alex47russ
      It is necessary to revive Ukraine! Only through the Southeast !!!

      Nah!
      She died, she died!
      Do not hell to revive mines!
  11. Shadow1
    Shadow1 April 23 2014 08: 29
    +14
    It all goes on and on! Here I reread A.S. Makarenko and here is a quote from the book "Deryuchenko was clear, like a telegraph pole: he was a Petliurist. He" did not know "the Russian language, decorated the entire colony with cheap portraits of Shevchenko and immediately started the only business he was capable, - to sing "Ukrainian pisen" ". and another one "Deryuchenko and his wife were patiently chewing on the sorrowful memories of Taras, when fate decided to restore the balance and brought Deryuchenko long-deserved joy: in the order for the colony, an order was given to issue dry rations" for the past half a month ", and cow was shown again as part of the dry ration oil. Happy Deryuchenko came to Kalina Ivanovich with a purse. The sun was shining, and all living things were rejoicing. But this did not last long. Half an hour later Deryuchenko came running to me, upset and insulted to the core. The blows of fate on his strong head became unbearable, man got off the rails and beat the wheels on the sleepers in pure Russian:

    “Why aren't the fats given to my son?”

    - Which son? I asked in surprise.

    - On Taras. How "on what"? This is arbitrariness, comrade manager! It is supposed to give rations to all family members, and give out.

    “But you do not have any son of Taras.”

    - It's none of your business, is it or not. I presented you with a certificate that my son Taras was born on June XNUMXnd and died on June XNUMXth, so give him fats in eight days ... "
    This was written back in 1935. and look now, the impression is that nothing has changed in some heads !!!!
    1. Terrible ensign
      Terrible ensign April 23 2014 08: 45
      +4
      That's it, comrade Shadow 1, this has been going on since Mazepa, Petliura, and soaking ... Such manifestations in many ukrov are not even necessary to be scratched on the surface - it itself climbs out involuntarily.
      Thanks for the extra reminder.
      And there are Ukrainians - normal, thinking people ...
    2. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx April 23 2014 10: 51
      0
      Alas! There are a lot of such Deryuchenka, and unfortunately you cannot re-educate them. This is an innate unconditioned reflex.
  12. Name
    Name April 23 2014 08: 33
    +2
    Well, the people of the South-East of Ukraine are left to unite in UNIFIED RESISTANCE(the truth of the author, otherwise they will trample the kozlz) and to Kiev. hi
  13. varz
    varz April 23 2014 08: 37
    +4
    In the East of Ukraine, it is necessary to follow the path of implementing their requirements without regard to the junta. Those. to establish the daily life of the regions and have all the attributes of a sovereign state-army. border troops, law enforcement agencies, etc. If you stop at the seizure of buildings and roadblocks, then Bandera will try to strangle the east. It is impossible to come to an agreement with illegitimate authorities; they are fulfilling the US plan, for US money against the unity of Ukraine and Russia.
  14. saag
    saag April 23 2014 08: 37
    +2
    "National Defense of the Dnipropetrovsk Region": Donbass villages are preparing a referendum on the transition under the patronage of Kolomoisky http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1794284.html

    Details: http://regnum.ru/news/polit/1794284.html#ixzz2zgEiuApy
    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
  15. Magadan
    Magadan April 23 2014 08: 41
    +3
    an article from the cycle "All Prophets in All Souls" written by a parishioner of the Great Woman Sect.

    How is it no use from the South-East checkpoints? Would you like to make sure once again that without checkpoints the right-wing people with bats will come, othrenat "those who are against" and the people will then throw them off "for the revolution"?
    And SBUshkniki, following right-wingers, will snoop around these cities, so that later they will send the activists, beaten by bits, in an unknown direction.
    About the demands of Federalization - this is not nonsense. But all residents should ACTIVELY demand, and not only those who are bolder. Need a picture of a hundred thousand! These are the requirements of the current "information wars".
    In Donbass and Lugansk, it is necessary to obtain territories that are virtually uncontrolled by Kiev, and even less so by the SBU with law-abductors. And figs with him that they will be on paper as part of Ukraine. The main thing is to gain control over the economy, finances and leave at least 60% of revenues in the region (as in the federal USA). But for this, myrrhs need performances of hundreds of thousands, and not several hundreds!
    1. domokl
      April 23 2014 08: 52
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      In Donbass and Lugansk, it is necessary to obtain territories that are actually not under the control of Kiev, nor even the SBU

      Those. if you discard verbal husks, you propose about the same thing ... Stop doing nonsense and separate from the Kiev authorities ... Create a truly independent republic.
      Quote: Magadan
      And figs with him that they will be on paper as part of Ukraine.

      But this is ridiculous ... This very fact will cost many lives because the government in Kiev will fight for the money and resources of the region ...
      1. Name
        Name April 23 2014 09: 15
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Because the government in Kiev will fight for the money and resources of the region ...

        In any case, the Kiev "government" will try to drown the South-East of Ukraine in blood, so it might work ahead of the curve ...
        1. domokl
          April 23 2014 09: 21
          +1
          Quote: name
          so it can work ahead of the curve ...

          And what does the author of the article offer? This is exactly what he suggests. It is not necessary to stand, but act ...
          1. Magadan
            Magadan April 23 2014 10: 04
            +1
            what is the lead? Power in Kiev to take? I doubt that this is possible without a coup in Egypt. And here they begin to pour blood in the East, here, maybe Russia will not have to enter, because before that, the Army itself is a rebel.
            The right tactic is spinning the territory. Physical control over cities. Then the support of MASS, the hundred thousandths of the masses, which MIRNO will sweep away the Kiev proteges and give control over finances and enterprises. The goal is simply stupid federalization!
            The whole world will be crazy about the Kiev authorities that they stubbornly do not want the same device as "in Europe and America" ​​and are ready to kill people just because they want to leave what they earned with their hump in their region
      2. Magadan
        Magadan April 23 2014 09: 58
        +1
        if the junta decides that it can clear the Resistance with point shares, then they will fight. If they understand that the resistance of people will be massive and that they really have to crush the crowd with tanks, then they will be afraid. Russian troops will receive right there, not only in the Donbass, but also in Kiev. And then an ice ax or kulavlob will be waiting for everyone.
        At the same time, for the world community, they will not put pressure on "separatists", but on people who just want federalization, ie. to leave the region 60% of income, to choose their own authorities, judges and TV programs.
  16. andj61
    andj61 April 23 2014 08: 44
    +2
    it's time to recognize that Ukraine has already disappeared. There is no such state. There is a territory drawn on a political map. There are cities on this territory, there are peoples, even some kind of infrastructure ... But there are no countries. Those who call themselves Ukrainians have achieved the goal. Only not their own, but a stranger, but, most importantly, they achieved it.


    For that fought for it and ran!
  17. Egoza
    Egoza April 23 2014 08: 45
    +2
    A bit of history ... What M. Levchenko writes in the work of the MEST OF RESIDENCE AND LOCAL
    NAME RUSINOV AT PRESENT (1860 year)

    Ruthenians, by origin, way of life and language, represent one tribe, but they have different names for residence, namely:
    Getmantsi - residents of the Chernihiv province, or, first of its southern part, because
    that living k с sveruu ot Desna well-known among neighbors under the name Лит Litvinov ’.
    Stepoviks are residents of the Poltava and Yekaterinoslav provinces.
    Ukrainians - residents of the Kiev province, which is called Ukraine.
    Polishchaks are residents of the Podolsk province, called by the common people Poland (1).
    Polischuki - residents of Polsya.
    Patlachi - Rusyns living in Bessarabia and Bukovina; Name received by
    long hair (patly), wearable,
    Pinchuk - residents of the Pinsk district of Grodno lips.
    The South Russians of the Lublin Province retained their ancient name Rusinov. In
    Galicia, the inhabitants of its flat part are also called Rusyns, or Rusnyaki
  18. mabuta
    mabuta April 23 2014 08: 48
    +7
    It’s not sad, the author is right. The Ukrainian section is just around the corner. And the maydans who committed this split will then tear their hair out, but it will be too late. And while the army lives its own life ....
  19. rapid1934
    rapid1934 April 23 2014 08: 50
    +4
    Evil, tough but true. "Days of the Turbins" constantly come to mind. hi
    The situation has moved into a sluggish phase when no one knows what to do next. request
    The experience of creating the state of Ukraine did not take place. negative
    The only question is how many parts (principalities or states) the territory of Ukraine will disintegrate.
  20. Tanechka-clever
    Tanechka-clever April 23 2014 08: 52
    +1
    "Those who call themselves Ukrainians have achieved their goal. Not their own, but someone else's .." - Alexander is right. But only I am against it, and I don’t like this kind of journalism - therefore I “minus” it - everything seems to be written correctly, but there is no positive in it - I do not see the present and do not hope for the future. The entire US world policy is based on the "divide and conquer" slogan. You can always look for one leader for all - which is what they still do in Afghanistan, and in Iraq and Libya they have already started looking for one for all - and the Americans are helping them - and for Ukraine, they seem to have even found leaders and are now helping them to convince them of this the entire Ukrainian population, but not all recognize the maydanutyh. I suppose we should not look for a leader, but for those who already exist - to negotiate. I read that in Luhansk Mozgovoy and Bolotov cannot find a common language - but this is what the Americans are trying to achieve. In Kharkov, the opposition is shouting "we will show tomorrow" and nothing, but what kind of opposition is there - several different movements - and everyone wants to be a recognized leader, and if "NO", then everyone is on his own. Avakov should not forget that the "white movement" lost because it opposed the "Bolsheviks" with the support of a foreign military force, and the Bolsheviks won because they relied only on their own people - the Ukrainian people are a "time bomb" that Russia will never refuse support
  21. Rohon
    Rohon April 23 2014 08: 53
    +1
    Under the lying stone only rotten water runs .......
    Stomping on the spot is a dead end ...
    There is no leader, and judging therefore, will not appear soon ...
    Gordeev knot Not soon chopped up.
  22. RUSS
    RUSS April 23 2014 08: 53
    +1
    There are Russians, there are Little Russians, there are Galicians, there are Rusyns, there are Tatars. And no one can stop this process.

    The author is well done, he singled out the Galicians into a separate nation, which is a fact.
  23. Cynic
    Cynic April 23 2014 09: 06
    +2
    Words, words, again words and nothing but words!
    Although the rating is positive, pluses may not have read it? _
    Quote: Alexander Markov
    Beautifully placed posts on roads and other places - what is this? Real protection against attack by armored vehicles or regular units? No, these are people posed by a human shield. Suicide bombers, kamikaze, if you want. Any gang with weapons swooping in for sure will kill one or two. Then, of course, the fighters will come, shoot, maybe, of course, some of the attackers will be hooked. So what? Nothing again ...

    And this is not so, and this is not this.
    So who are you author with?
    1. dmb
      dmb April 23 2014 11: 01
      0
      It would also be nice to ask where the author was on the night of August 19-20, 1991. Yu. Nikulin answered this question: "I slept." The author simply described the current situation in Ukraine in everyday life and, unlike most site leaders and state builders, did not offer recipes to either side, because he simply does not believe in their implementation. To be honest, I share his doubts. With our souls we are all for the East and for unification, but is it real now? Our "wise leaders" say no, and they are probably right. In addition to economics, ideology could be the basis for the union. Russian world? Only at a very short stage, and then the East sees that Usmanov, Chubais and Shuvalov and Sechin are getting richer, while Ivanov, Petrov and Sidorov are somehow not very rich. By the way, many in Ukraine understand this even now. Further, well, there will be checkpoints for another couple of months on last year's supplies of bacon brought in by good residents, and then they will need to work to support their families and they will go to the OWNERS. And who are our masters? Ivanov, Petrov and Sidorov? No, the above or the same but "independent" spill. If they try to take the East away from them, then will our fathers of the nation tolerate such "voluntarism". This is a bad example to follow.
      1. domokl
        April 23 2014 21: 08
        0
        Quote: dmb
        It would also be nice to ask where the author was on the night of 19 on the 20 of August 1991 of the year.

        That night, the author was on the stairs from the Moskva River near the White House. He commanded an officer detachment, just at the place where he later sang Makarevich’s songs (including).
  24. kare
    kare April 23 2014 09: 09
    +1
    Sorry for the people.
    they were deprived of both clan and tribe
    Ukraine
    Fantasy country
    Fictional story
    What villains wrote this script?
    Night of Svarog, for them is not finished recourse
  25. sawmill
    sawmill April 23 2014 09: 25
    +2
    I agree with the author. The situation in Ukraine is a dead end and a way out of the impasse is blocked by the stupidity of the American instigators of the Maidan.
    Bandera want all of Ukraine, the east of the country for them a colony subject to de-Russification and Ukrainization. If they can, then they will be drenched in blood and crushed, but they will not be able to live in peace will not give.

    The east of Ukraine will not gather forces to ensure its independence and secure existence, Russia needs help.

    Polupoker of Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, etc. in general, the typical approach of our "brothers" with whom the strength is to those we will adapt, in this case +, at least they are understandable.

    We, too, kill the Bandera punks grown for 23 of the year by new teachers (assholes rather), and then listen to another hundred years as we strangled a young free Ukraine and did not let them into a bright future. And all this to the cries of the entire world community led by the United States. Is it even necessary?
    But we will definitely not allow them to introduce a NATO contingent to Ukraine, for not FIG.

    Even if the Kiev mousy Eggs and Tour will see the light and will want to save their country, they will give the second state. language and prescribe real federalism in the constitution, then their Pravoseki is thrown out of Kiev in 24 hours.

    Americans will never admit that they crap one's pants, and even so liquid. Therefore, they will be rested in their own stupidity to the last, and indeed they cannot by and large. Well, put pressure on Yaytsenyuka, well, he will say about the second language, well, Maidan will expel him for betraying Ukraine. All sailed.

    There are two options.
    1. Fantastic. The Americans have become smarter, and gave Putin carte blanche to restore order in Ukraine, under promises not to tear away anything from Ukraine, to hold free elections, a constitution, and to withdraw troops in half a year - a year.
    The option is yes, but fantastic.
    2 Real. Whoever does not want to live under a bandera will have to butt up to the last, make referendums and get our support and protection. The rest of the gas at market prices and a mess for years. Lugansk and Donetsk can resist and they need help.
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    1. grog_bm
      grog_bm April 23 2014 09: 51
      +3
      I completely agree, for example, in the Kuban and the Don, they also balak, but as a resident of the Kuban I don’t understand Ukrainian language, the question is why ??? And the answer is simple, Catherine the Great made the "cubanoids" by granting the Sich Cossacks the lands of the Kuban in 1792, and there are no words in the Kuban-Don language that migrated from the Polish-Austrian phrasebook. Something like this...
      1. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS April 23 2014 10: 24
        +2
        WELL DONE! Precisely noticed. This fact also emphasizes that "Mova" is an Austro-Hungarian remake! Respect. good
  28. Gagarin
    Gagarin April 23 2014 09: 31
    +2
    I live in the south-east of Ukraine.
    The article EXCEEDED the whole atmosphere of what is happening.
    This is exactly what happens.
    And indeed, many do not know what to do next !?
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx April 23 2014 11: 03
      0
      Fight for yourself, children, grandchildren, parents, friends, for people living near you, even if you are not familiar with them. This is provided that you want to be and live a HUMAN! It will not be possible to sit back in any situation; in case of victory, Natsik will face the whole SE as Poles in Volyn during the war. Do you want that?
  29. igordok
    igordok April 23 2014 09: 32
    +1
    Why did I write all this? It’s simply that it’s time to admit that Ukraine has already disappeared. There is no such state. There is a territory drawn on a political map. There are cities on this territory, there are peoples, even some kind of infrastructure ... But countries are not. Those who call themselves Ukrainians have achieved their goal. Only not his own, but someone else's, but, most importantly, they achieved it.


    At its core, Afghanistan is not a state, it is the name of a territory. Well, mattress makers are trying to achieve their goal - to create Afghanistan in the center of Europe. Introduce "peacekeeping forces" - this will not be the case.
  30. andj61
    andj61 April 23 2014 09: 33
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    A bit of history ... What M. Levchenko writes in the work of the MEST OF RESIDENCE AND LOCAL
    NAME RUSINOV AT THE PRESENT TIME (1860) ....


    Thanks for the info. Very informative. I myself am just from the place where "... those who live to the sir from the Desna are known among the neighbors under the name Litvinov." I confirm that back in the 60s - 70s of the 20th century, old people often called themselves Litvin. True, in these parts (Bryansk region) there lived both the Cossacks (by class, Zaporozhye), who did not consider themselves Litvin, and the Russians to the west of the Desna.
  31. dimitris
    dimitris April 23 2014 09: 33
    +1
    "... The ethnonym" Ukraine "itself is of Polish origin (denotes the Lesser Poland outskirts, the land of Malo-Polya). The word" Ukrainian "was first used by Poles, trying to emphasize a certain difference between Great Russians and Little Russians, which was no more than between Russians Pomors and Russian Volzhans. Local peasants first heard this nickname only at the end of the XNUMXth century, when a layer of the Polonized intelligentsia began to play a noticeable role in public life. If someone had told Gogol that he was a “Ukrainian” by nationality, he would hardly have accepted these Seriously speaking, he considered himself Russian by nationality, and Little Russian by origin.
    The honor of breeding "Ukrainians" as a separate ethnic species belongs to the Austrians. After the Hungarian campaign of the Russian troops in 1849 in Transcarpathia, populated by Russians (the name of the Rusyns, the official Austrian name for the ruthenes), a process of rapid cultural awakening of the local population began, which threatened to develop into a movement for reunification with Russia. In response, the Vienna government took vigorous measures to form an intelligentsia devoted to the throne, with the help of which it hoped to control the Rusyns politically and culturally.
    Then the Poles with their doctrine of Ukrainians turned out to be very helpful. Ever since the reign of Rzeczpospolita, it so happened that in Eastern Galicia there was a “pop and slave” Russian, and the landowning elite was represented by Poles who at all costs tried to maintain their economic dominance over the local cattle (also a Polish word, literally meaning "Cattle" - so the pans called their slaves). The policy of the Austrians was aimed at completely blocking the possibility of education for the Russians. Everyone who entered the educational institution made a special oath beginning with the words "I renounce the Russian name ...". The letter of the "Renunciation" was no longer taught Russian - a language reform was carried out specifically for this purpose, the alphabet and grammar were changed. They were called Ukrainians. Since it was possible to become a teacher or a priest only by renouncing the Russian name, the intelligentsia created in this way devoted to the throne of Vienna became Ukrainian. These renegades started mass Ukrainization of the Russian peasantry, fortunately, only Poles and Jews lived in Galician cities, which excluded organized cultural resistance.
    However, resistance arose and, by the end of the century before last, two political and cultural poles had formed in Eastern Galicia - Ukrainians and Moskvophiles, as they began to call those who continued to consider themselves Russian and protested against ethnic and cultural infringement. Despite the enormous inequality of forces and capabilities between the parties, by the beginning of the First World War, the three-million-strong Slavic population of Galicia was divided into Ukrainians and Muscovites approximately equally. With the outbreak of the war, the Ukrainians unleashed against the Muscovites, as traitors and collaborators, bloody terror, many Russians were killed, those who were “lucky” were thrown into a concentration camp specially created in Telerhof. True, the massacre did not last long, as the Russian troops, having defeated the Austro-Hungarian army, occupied Galicia. During the retreat in 1915, the masses of the local Russian population, who were horrified at the return of the Ukrainians, were evacuated deep into Russia. Many of those who did not run east soon regretted it very much ...
  32. Known who
    Known who April 23 2014 09: 33
    +1
    There is no united Ukraine, but this is what the states were striving for!
    Ukraine is a realized scenario of Yugoslavia!
  33. dimitris
    dimitris April 23 2014 09: 35
    +1
    ... In the second half of the XNUMXth century, a few intellectual Ukrainians in Russia were fueled by ideas and money from Galicia. This layer was initially negligible, but by the beginning of the XNUMXth century there were already quite a lot of Ukrainian supporters among the Little Russians. The tsarist government looked at this cultural and political affliction without any particular apprehension; it did not fix any obstacles for publishing at the “Ukrainian” alphabet. True, there were negligible people willing to read the “Ukrainian language”. There are fewer newspapers on the “rida mov” in all of Little Russia than the periodicals in Estonian in the small Estland province (North of present-day Estonia).
    Only with the collapse of the Russian Empire did the Ukrainians, on which local separatism was based, gained widespread public support. Well, massive - this, of course, is said loudly. In the December 1917 municipal elections, Ukrainophilist separatists suffered a crushing defeat. The idea of ​​independence did not find any significant support among the people. That is, the layman, of course, did not particularly protest against the Kiev Verkhovna Rada, but there were negligible hunters to fight for the Directory, the hetman or the Ukrainian People’s Republic. Only Galicians from among the Austrian prisoners, and parts of the national army squeezed out of Galicia, when the Poles defeated the Western Ukrainian People's Republic proclaimed there, played an active role. With the end of the civil war, national passions subsided.
    What we call the Ukrainian people is a relatively recent product. The large-scale process of Ukrainization began in the 20s and was carried out with all Bolshevik decisiveness. A historical joke can be considered that the main Ukrainians this time were not Poles and Austrians, but Jews. Why did the Soviet government need to artificially cultivate Ukraine? There were foreign policy reasons. Poland recreated by the Entente as a result of the aggression of 1918-1920. grabbed a significant part of Little Russia and the vast majority of Belarus. The Poles did not abandon the idea of ​​the Great Rzeczpospolita from the Baltic to the Black Sea, and could well play the ethnic card, claiming the whole of Ukraine. Therefore, the Bolsheviks tried to seize the initiative by cultivating Ukrainians on their territory. In doing so, they simultaneously knocked the soil out from under the feet of the separatists.
    It was then that the literary Ukrainian language was created and widely introduced with an alphabet different from the common Russian language. Yes, it now seems completely implausible that the enthusiastic Ukrainians went to impose Ukrainians in the Poltava and Chernihiv regions - the center of the formation of the Little Russian dialect, but that was exactly so. The concepts of the Ukrainian people and Ukrainian nationality were born. In the pre-Soviet era, the concept of nationality did not play a special role at all, significance was given only to religion. Writers in the Soviet Union appeared in the Soviet Union (before that they were only lonely enthusiasts), they began to translate Russian books into Ukrainian. Previously, this would have been considered savagery, because any educated Little Russian knew literary Russian, but the ability to write in a local dialect was not at all considered mandatory ...
  34. dimitris
    dimitris April 23 2014 09: 36
    +1
    ... Unlike the Austrians, who had extensive experience in building a patchwork multi-ethnic empire, the Poles did not encourage Ukrainians, but habitually proceeded to polonization, and by the mid-1930s they managed to liquidate Ukrainian and Belarusian schools. In the light of this, the rate of Ukrainization in the USSR was significantly reduced, and many not too zealous Ukrainians were even sent to northern camps, thus promoting the settled line to the coast of the Arctic Ocean.
    But the fact remains - by the middle of the last century, the Ukrainian ethnos had become a reality. To make it more significant, the myth of two fraternal peoples reunited in 1654 was widely promoted, although at that time the transfer of Little Russia to the rule of the Moscow tsars had only an exclusively military-political meaning. Nevertheless, the celebration of the 300th anniversary of the famous Pereyaslavl Rada took place in the Soviet Union with great fanfare. Apparently this was partly due to the fact that Khrushchev was Ukrainian. Yes, he gave the Ukrainian SSR a truly royal gift for the anniversary - he gave the Crimea. But after the overthrow of Khrushchev, the process of spontaneous de-Ukrainianization began to gain momentum. The Russian language quite naturally began to supplant the artificially created Mova (in fact, the Russian-Polish dialect), and by the end of the 1980s, out of the 54 million population of the Ukrainian USSR, only 14 million recognized Mov as their native language, mainly residents of the western regions. It should be borne in mind that by their native language they often meant the local spoken dialect, and not the literary Ukrainian language. "
    (Alexei A. Kungurov SECRET PROTOCOLS, OR WHO FORGED THE HAMMER A - RIBBENTROP PACT)
  35. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 23 2014 09: 39
    +1
    The situation really resembles a stalemate, but only at first glance. The forces of the southeast are not enough activity. We all cheer for the patriots of the southeast.
  36. Not angry
    Not angry April 23 2014 09: 50
    0
    The article is partly true, but with rottenness. We are all smart when it does not concern us, everything said is kind of true, but the question arises: What should people do at the moment? From going out of the article it follows that they must now go home and wait for the strong one who will destroy everything. The trouble is that then they won’t wait for him and the second time they may not have a chance to leave. Not when they have to wait. And the stakes they have are high; this is the future of their children at the cost of perhaps their life. Here pragmatism is not appropriate.
    But the war is on, we do not see it. At the front line now, Lavrov, Churkin, and it would not have been possible if there weren’t these block of posts and people on them without weapons ready to die. And God forbid they do without mourning ceremonies.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 23 2014 09: 58
      +2
      Quote: Not evil
      . The trouble is that then they won’t wait for him

      Why not wait? If everything is at home, then the right-wingers are the first to play the role of the destroyers!
      Now they only bite from under the silence, sometimes fatally. And get the people out of the streets, what will happen?
      Yes, now it’s like silence, but do you have enough tank battles in the South-West? Let's see what will happen after the referendum, as it were, it would really flare up!
      Neither one nor the other has nowhere to retreat!
      Some are at home, and others nah ... no one needs, even the owners!
  37. Siberian 1975
    Siberian 1975 April 23 2014 09: 52
    0
    No matter how Ukraine turns into European Afghanistan. Each region has its own power, its own militants, etc.
  38. 1812 1945
    1812 1945 April 23 2014 09: 52
    +1
    Quote: vlad0
    But will the modern Ukrainian people with a dull brain about their greatness and exclusivity perceive this? In the next five years is unlikely.

    The author made the diagnosis correctly. But in this case, only the state can act as a leader! And it should be Russia, not the USA! And all the talk about the overwhelming burden for the Russian economy comes from the evil one (Yasin, Illarionov, Kudrin, Brzezinski ...)
  39. mamont5
    mamont5 April 23 2014 09: 53
    +1
    "And what does the government supposedly do? Nothing ... It not only does nothing, it can not do anything."

    How is "nothing"? They actively disperse all these population groups as far as possible from each other, by playing them against each other.

    "And what about the South-East? They seized the buildings, created some kind of gathering, and what? But nothing. We are preparing a referendum. Not legal, it will not be recognized, but we will hold it anyway ... And this is where the question arises: what? Federation? And who recognizes the right to federation? Kiev? Something is doubtful. Accession to Russia, as did the Crimea? Will Russia agree? "

    At this stage - federalization or separation from Ukraine with the formation of an independent state.
    1. domokl
      April 23 2014 10: 14
      0
      Quote: mamont5
      How is "nothing"? They actively disperse all these population groups as far as possible from each other, by playing them against each other.

      There are examples? Not theorizing, but concrete examples? Attacks on posts? Agree that by bringing the army to the borders of the rebel territories, practically blocking these territories, it would be possible to cope even with the Kramatorsk ... There are a total of 120000 people ... Not a million, not half a million ... Only 120 thousand ...
  40. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S April 23 2014 09: 55
    +1
    Ukraine was a country twenty-three years ago, prosperous, happy, rich, had a large army with modern weapons and suddenly everything disappeared. They found the culprit quickly, this is Russia, it is she who is so guilty of all the troubles of the Ukrainian people. We are only guilty of they let the western jackals get into the souls of the Ukrainian people with dirty paws. So that everything would return to its own kruig, Ukraine needs a leader who has led the people to revival, but is there no prophet in his own country or is there?
  41. valeriy7
    valeriy7 April 23 2014 10: 02
    +1
    West and East of Ukraine are two unipolar magnets.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 23 2014 11: 36
      0
      Quote: valeriy7
      West and East of Ukraine are two unipolar magnets.

      So they remembered about monopolies.
      Do you at least specify what poles you are talking about _ of the same name or of the same name, or else the post has a double impression.
      Until _
      Magnetic monopole - hypothetical elementary particlehaving a nonzero magnetic charge is a point source of a radial magnetic field.

      Please clarify.
  42. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 23 2014 10: 06
    0
    Dead end or Gordian knot?
    The people of Ukraine do not have a dead end. The current government has it.
    What to do with the Gordian knot? Definitely chop. The scaffold should be the people themselves, led by the South and Southeast of Ukraine. And the leader will still appear.
  43. Stavros
    Stavros April 23 2014 10: 08
    +3
    But it was necessary to manage so that to turn such a rich country into a swamp.
    1. domokl
      April 23 2014 10: 21
      +1
      Break not build ... There is no special wisdom ... fellow
  44. mackonya
    mackonya April 23 2014 10: 42
    +1
    Of course, on the scale of one or two regions, little changes, it seems Ukraine is facing a "abyss" of chaos and default, but in fact Ukraine has long been in chaos and it will soon be possible to declare a default. The industry has long stood, small and medium-sized businesses are declining, taxes will be raised soon and the budget deficit will be quarterly and catastrophic. When the whole people of Ukraine already understands that it is necessary to change the "Kiev power" and go to a meeting with Russia, then they will say that Ukraine had to go this way in order to become stronger in the future, and to be "strong" can only be together with Russia ...
  45. Zverboy
    Zverboy April 23 2014 10: 57
    +1
    So far, we have not seen a brave man who could take on all the responsibility of restoring order in the country.
  46. Kite
    Kite April 23 2014 11: 17
    0
    AUTHOR! Ouch! Turn on and process your phrase with logic, i.e. digest it into a thought! What is it: "So, someone strong and powerful should appear, who would say: stop fooling the people. We are different and will never be the same. And that means we disagree. Without elections, referenda, civil war."- ?? What is such a leader without finding out strength and support? Better to find out the general opinion by a referendum than a civil war. The referendum should be! And only it will show the prevailing mood in the population. It is necessary to ensure that the people calmly think over their preferences and decisions!
    There was no time to write today, but such a stupid article surprised and forced me to interfere with commenting. The author of the article is bold "-" x 100
    1. Cynic
      Cynic April 23 2014 11: 29
      0
      Quote: Kite
      What is such a leader without clarifying strength and support?

      Almighty, alas, there is no alternative.
      hi
      1. Kite
        Kite April 23 2014 17: 06
        +1
        Quote: Cynic
        Almighty, alas, there is no alternative.

        - Well, yes, listening to the author, you should sit and wait for the Messiah (the messenger from the Creator) to come!
  47. tol100v
    tol100v April 23 2014 11: 22
    +1
    Quote: Nagan
    Assessment of the situation is gloomy, but not without reason.

    It's just the calm before the GREAT STORM
  48. mig31
    mig31 April 23 2014 11: 55
    0
    Fortunately, the impasse rests in RUSSIA ...
  49. Cristall
    Cristall April 23 2014 12: 02
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    Quote: N7 Wanderer
    since the Americans need military bases in Kharkov or Lugansk regions, the Navy base in Odessa

    Well, the base will not give Russia so close.
    But why is the Navy base in Odessa? Immediately everything is shot through almost to the Crimea and back can be from the shore.
    It’s easier already in Turkey opposite Sevastopol.
    In Odessa, there will be some kind of base to create.
    1. domokl
      April 23 2014 21: 20
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      Quote: Cristall
      In Odessa, there will be some kind of base to create.

      Exactly ... Odessa base will be used as a scarecrow. Missiles that are already in the Crimea can destroy ships in the World Cup almost to the Turkish coast ...
  50. aud13
    aud13 April 23 2014 12: 02
    +1
    It seems that many citizens of Ukraine are now afraid of their unclear future.
    The prospect of living under the junta is unpleasant, but they see the collapse of the country as an even greater evil. If there were a politician or movement in Ukraine that would show them a way out of this situation, many would follow them. On the other hand, different parts of the population see a way out. Therefore, if zapadentsev tend to the west, then they can flag in their hands.
    And it is time to unite the southeast under a clear and unambiguous program of unification with Russia. Maybe it will not be as fast as with Crimea, but firmly and unequivocally.
    And Russia, on the other hand, also has to unequivocally clarify its position in this part. So that people from the south-east of Ukraine understand in which direction and how they are better off moving towards this goal. After all, just taking it in a snap and at least seems to be easy in the current situation, but you need to remember that in the future it will not go sideways to either the Russians or those who live in the south-west of Ukraine.