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The junta gathered in Izum everything that could

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The junta gathered in Izum everything that could




The junta, apparently, collected everything she could in Raisins. In total, this is about 2 thousand paratroopers, about 30 infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and armored personnel carriers, about two dozen tanks, barrel and rocket artillery. There are helicopters and attack aviation. Special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs plus the National Guard, which is mainly represented by former explosives, are also brought up there.
A separate question is how much all this equipment is combat-ready and how motivated the personnel is, but there is no doubt that this whole machine is capable of shedding a lot of blood.

The fact that it was decided to launch an army, heavy equipment and artillery suggests that there is no prohibition for the junta to destroy civilians.

In the morning, Obama and Putin demanded from each other to influence the junta and the rebels - but it seems that now the decisions have been lowered to the lower level, and much depends on the unknown colonels and majors. No need to assume that in the Ukrainian army there are no people with pereklininavshih Bandera ideas brains. Moreover, the frantic propaganda of the last months - in general, it’s naive to hope that the punishers gathered will not risk shooting at the Ukrainian city: if there is a team, they will shoot.

Most likely, the operation itself, if it is launched, will turn into a colossal mess from the very beginning - if the Ukrainian military managed to shoot the Ukrainian security forces under Slavyansk simply because they could not understand xyxx, it is not difficult to assume that they will act approximately the same during stripping. This team, of course, will be able to take - or rather, destroy - Slavyansk, but most likely it will be the last thing it will be capable of.

Considering that the Kiev junta has a long-term and strong connection with reality, it hardly represents the consequences of such an operation - it is not worried about the number of possible victims, nor what it will remain after it. Therefore, to refer to her and to her mind is already meaningless.

Perhaps now the only thing that can stop this grouping is no longer traditional diplomacy, but direct contacts of the military. The most effective in such a situation is to warn the Ukrainian military about a possible retaliatory strike from the Russian side in the event that the operation starts. They have about the same chances of resisting such a blow as the rebels are against punitive. I hope that our military men have already communicated with their colleagues on this subject - and here is the result, let's see.
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  1. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 15 2014 16: 21
    +26
    Rumor has it that the Americans have already lost 20 mercenaries of gray stone. Does anyone have more info?
    1. joum
      joum April 15 2014 16: 25
      +36
      Maybe they got lost, but, most likely, there will be no information on them anymore .. As they say - there is no body, there is no case. And conventions do not apply to them. I came across a video of how the residents drove their bus with broken glass through the city. Then, about two people who did not speak Russian and Ukrainian - one died, and the second was interrogated by self-defense. And that’s all.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 15 2014 16: 28
        +36
        Who did not see laughing

        Turchinov announced the beginning of special operations in the Southeast



        1. hz123
          hz123 April 15 2014 16: 33
          +11
          soon the tanks will end, and which ones they don’t capture will burn themselves out or something else
          1. jjj
            jjj April 15 2014 17: 05
            +21
            According to IA "REGNUM", the Army of the South-East was able to seize two T-64 tanks from the armed forces of Ukraine. Both vehicles were blocked by demonstrators in vehicles and surrounded by unarmed people. After a rather short verbal skirmish between the crew and the Anti-Maidan activists, both tanks were occupied by soldiers of the South-East Army, who drove the combat vehicles to the Krasnoarmeyskiy district of the Donetsk region.
            1. Ataman
              Ataman April 15 2014 17: 25
              +12
              The conscripts were fooled, sent to the exercises. Now residential buildings will be issued for training targets.
          2. 0255
            0255 April 15 2014 17: 28
            +4
            Quote: hz123
            soon the tanks will end, and which ones they don’t capture will burn themselves out or something else

            marvel at the courage of southeastern Ukrainians hi
            not everyone dares to go against the tank like this!
            1. moscow
              moscow April 15 2014 18: 49
              +2
              During the Second World War in near Krasnodon, miners with sapper blades went to tanks ...
        2. VengefulRat
          VengefulRat April 15 2014 16: 39
          +15
          Another junta strengthened the beaches of Odessa fool . C @ ki fueling the atmosphere
          http://vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682156.html
          1. svetlomor
            svetlomor April 15 2014 16: 42
            +17
            Quote: VengefulRat
            Another junta and strengthened the beaches of Odessa. C @ ki fueling the atmosphere

            Money is nowhere to go, that’s fun.
            1. Gomunkul
              Gomunkul April 15 2014 17: 28
              +7
              Money is nowhere to go, that’s fun.
              And in the financial statements they probably indicated that the money went as the construction of the second Atlantic rampart. yes
            2. Ataman
              Ataman April 15 2014 17: 31
              +7
              Would be smarter, then around the supreme parliament they put ...
            3. Val_y
              Val_y April 15 2014 20: 04
              +1
              No, this is for real escalating the situation. If they hold Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, then the entire southeast will shy away, the junta understands this and therefore they are trying to intimidate people as much as possible. So we pray for the men, God forbid "polite people" are on the way.
            4. izGOI
              izGOI April 16 2014 04: 03
              0
              Well, this is quite Odessa. No humor at all !!!
          2. nikcris
            nikcris April 15 2014 16: 48
            +11
            Vtorchermet? It’s hard to get drunk on these hedgehogs. And TaG - yes, Shashi diversify.
            1. alex_83
              alex_83 April 15 2014 16: 57
              +9
              THIS IS ANTI-TANK DEFENSE ????? HA HA HA
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 April 15 2014 17: 14
              +5
              Quote: nikcris
              Vtorchermet? It’s hard to get drunk on these hedgehogs. And TaG - yes, Shashi diversify.

              Analogue of the "Atlantic Wall" of the Fuhrer ... laughing
              [/ Center]

              but what was enough money ...
              [/ Center]
          3. from punk
            from punk April 15 2014 16: 51
            +12
            Quote: VengefulRat
            Another junta strengthened the beaches of Odessa

            that is, in their opinion, the BDK is already neutralized sadstrong move. Baltic marine beach lovers are immobilized
            1. VengefulRat
              VengefulRat April 15 2014 16: 55
              +2
              Ukrainian media published photos of anti-tank hedgehogs welded from rails, which appeared on Odessa beaches for the first time since World War II.
              The barriers are reinforced by the trenches that border guards began to dig around the outposts on the coast, ITAR-TASS reports. The siege atmosphere pumped up by the authorities was supplemented by a message spread on Tuesday by the head department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in the Odessa region about the start of the volunteers' entry to the Storm special police unit. It is created on the basis of groups of local supporters of the new government in Kiev: nationalist organizations “Freedom”, “Right Sector” and activists of the Euromaidan.
              Source http://vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682156.html
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak April 15 2014 17: 19
                +8
                Paranoia is getting worse. The circus continues to tour.
              2. uizik
                uizik April 15 2014 18: 25
                +3
                Maybe they’re doing it right that they drive the radicals in one pile, it’s more difficult to catch one at a time.
              3. moscow
                moscow April 15 2014 18: 52
                +1
                Digging trenches, then getting ready for war. They know that the stick is already very much bent, after which they will have to enter the MC.
            2. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 20: 33
              +1
              Wallow in a bed! Rzhach stands louder than the main caliber.
          4. Wedmak
            Wedmak April 15 2014 16: 54
            +8
            Well that's it .... now even BDK will not work .. pichaaaalka .... laughing
            1. from punk
              from punk April 15 2014 17: 15
              +5
              Quote: Wedmak
              Well that's it .... now even BDK will not work .. pichaaaalka ..

              that there BDK. fishermen on a scandal and those in shock MATRIX-revolution. no Odessa governor chose a pill
          5. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 15 2014 16: 59
            +3
            Quote: VengefulRat
            Another junta strengthened the beaches of Odessa

            And it’s definitely strengthened, how this strengthening will help at all. It’s more likely for the TV show to show that they would calm Natsik, otherwise they will soon dismantle the Radu in bricks.
          6. nstarinsky
            nstarinsky April 15 2014 18: 30
            +5
            I look at these photos and ask myself a question - they there in Odessa think that putting up rails at a distance of 100m, some mythical landing will land on paper boats 120m wide?
        3. Deadmen
          Deadmen April 15 2014 16: 39
          +8
          aha hahaa turchin fish it exists !!
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        4. Sergei75
          Sergei75 April 15 2014 17: 00
          +11
          Video about the tank.
          It can be seen that the guys in the tank themselves are confused, they do not want to shoot at their people, in principle, normal guys told them to go, they went and rode.
          These guys are waiting for the order from the other side, but they don’t give it to them.
          1. Revmirovich
            Revmirovich April 15 2014 21: 49
            +1
            and then, with fright, they will start firing from cannons by the people so it most often happens with conscripts
        5. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ April 15 2014 17: 03
          +10
          ... now the only thing that can stop this grouping is not traditional diplomacy, but direct contacts of the military. The most effective in such a situation is to warn the Ukrainian military about a possible blow of retaliation ... (from the article)


          The leadership of the military in Izyum should be warned "in a friendly way"; if they open fire on the people, then let them immediately dig their own graves. It won't be otherwise.
          1. Little Muck
            Little Muck April 15 2014 17: 11
            +4
            Quote: vladimirZ
            let them immediately dig their graves

            So the brotherly ditch Taruta had already dug up. fool
            The only thing left for the assholes is to say "welcome". laughing
            1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
              Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. April 15 2014 17: 30
              +1
              No need to fill the ditch on the border with such rubbish. Will stink with us. laughing
            2. Galan
              Galan April 15 2014 19: 18
              0
              That's for sure. Enough for more than one "heavenly hundred", if something has to be considered "heavenly tumens".
        6. Phase
          Phase April 15 2014 17: 18
          +11
          Sloviansk, of course, this team will be able, but most likely, it will be the last thing that it will be able to

          An article on the case, but I strongly disagree with the author's thesis quoted above. What is "take Slavyansk"? In a counter-guerrilla war, nothing can be "taken". Yes, the rebels can leave their positions and dissolve, only to appear again after three days (a week, a month).
          Armored vehicles in street battles are also much less effective than in an open field. Ukrainian nationalists once laughed at the Russian army leading street fights in Grozny. I think that now they will not be laughing. Moreover, people who took part in the Chechen war may well share their experience with the Donetsk militia, moreover (we note) from both sides.
          The same shows the experience of street fighting in Syria.
          My conclusion is this: they CANNOT take Slavyansk. They can only take it for a while, and even then at a very high price. And the Kiev junta still lacked zinc coffins to all other charms.
          And remember: the presidential election is ahead. And it seems to me that the one who manages to negotiate with Russia will win them. ONLY with Russia, because neither Europe nor the USA:
          1. No gas tap
          2. There is no influence on the southeast.

          All the trump cards of Putin.
          1. Revmirovich
            Revmirovich April 15 2014 21: 52
            0
            in principle, I agree, but I think that they need armored vehicles only to block the city, and then they will be sent forward punitive, consisting of maydanutsya law enforcement officers
          2. izGOI
            izGOI April 16 2014 04: 13
            0
            And the Kiev junta still lacked zinc coffins to all other charms.
            But the junta does not care about zinc, and simple coffins. Just think, write a few thousand more into the "heavenly hundred", and the whole business ..
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        9. RAGE
          RAGE April 15 2014 17: 24
          +2
          Turchinov also looks like this "beast"
          1. wow
            wow April 15 2014 18: 47
            +2
            Exactly, yes IQ see the same!
        10. predator.3
          predator.3 April 15 2014 17: 36
          +4
          Thanks for the story, the tank is just "lovely"! the last time it was probably painted in the late 80s of the last century. lol
        11. wow
          wow April 15 2014 18: 40
          +3
          Yes, a mechanized driver does not really know how to drive! Precisely, not the army but "viysko"!
        12. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 20: 30
          +1
          Tanks are not afraid of dirt. But they run away from the Niva. But seriously, it’s a pity for the soldiers. And the tank on balance, and it seems like he gave the oath. And who to shoot at? Who to push?
      2. Tersky
        Tersky April 15 2014 16: 35
        +9
        Quote: joum
        Maybe they got lost, but, most likely, there will be no information on them anymore ..

        Well, yes ... it can easily get lost, especially if everyone has GPS navigators ... laughing But at the expense of information, that's for sure ... corpses of signals do not give ..
        1. Sergei75
          Sergei75 April 15 2014 17: 02
          +4
          I hope this hasn’t come to this ... The guys in the tank have their own, they just don’t know what to do, they don’t want to shoot their people.
          1. Che Guevara
            Che Guevara April 15 2014 17: 39
            +3
            The Maydauns write "What kind of army is this, that separatists are driving its tanks across the fields with bats" smiled.
          2. Belarus
            Belarus April 15 2014 17: 43
            +1
            I agree, the crew looked scattered and apparently did not really know what to do and where to go.
            But if the locals are not angry, they will show where they need to go instead of the road to the cemetery.
            1. juneart
              juneart April 16 2014 00: 57
              +1
              So when this video was first shown on our TV, the reporter’s voice said behind the scenes that this tank was AWAY from its own and LOST !!!

              I can only faintly imagine how a tank could STAY AWAY from its own (when 2-10 cars were moving), and even get lost)))) They are like a tank armada in 3-5 thousand units. pearl there)))) type and did not notice the detachment of the loss of a fighter ....
        2. Little Muck
          Little Muck April 15 2014 17: 15
          0
          They probably write the all-Russian dictation. stop
          There is no time to be distracted by calls. And then another verification of what is written. repeat
          Not soon the fairy tale affects. But at the right time there are (not needles, though, albeit in a haystack). laughing hi
      3. Siberian19
        Siberian19 April 15 2014 16: 40
        +43
        Putin is burning!
        I was asked - "Europe is uniting against Russia .... Aren't you afraid?" ..... I replied: "We have already encountered a united Europe in 1812 and in 1941. It should be scary for them!" ....
        Vladimir Putin ...
        1. jjj
          jjj April 15 2014 17: 09
          +5
          And the missing Americans may well be presented 17 April
          1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
            Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. April 15 2014 17: 32
            +1
            If they are not dismantled for parts.
            1. asar
              asar April 15 2014 19: 49
              0
              They put them in a jar of brine, so as not to fade!
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    2. fedor13
      fedor13 April 15 2014 16: 28
      +3
      rumors yes, but no confirmed information. But let's hope that while they quietly collect a collection of stones.
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks April 15 2014 16: 28
      +2
      how much all this equipment is efficient and how motivated the personnel


      Ukrainian media have reported new non-combat losses to their army. This time, the Grad salvo fire fell from the bridge in the reservoir in the Sumy region. Two soldiers in the car were killed.

      This is not the first "unconfirmed" loss in the Ukrainian army. After mobilization of the armed forces of the country, according to various data, 5-7 tanks, a self-propelled howitzer, a front-end fighter Su-24М, 2 BTR, 1 BMP, several trucks were lost. A record number of vehicles died on March 22, when in one of the military units of Krivoy Rog 6 armored vehicles burned down at night.


      http://www.mk.ru/incident/article/2014/04/14/1013915-smi-ukrainskiy-grad-upal-s-
      mosta.html
    4. Siberian19
      Siberian19 April 15 2014 16: 29
      +7
      Source: The head of the CIA came to Kiev to search for missing Blackwater employees.

      A senior source in the Russian Security Council said that about 20 American citizens, presumably employees of the private military company Blackwater, disappeared near Donetsk. According to the source, this circumstance was the reason for the urgent visit of the CIA director John Brennan to Kiev.

      Source: Head of the CIA came to Kiev to search for missing Blackwater employees Traces of the Americans have not yet been found, and the Kiev authorities could not help the head of the CIA, the source added.

      Earlier reports appeared in the media, later confirmed by sources close to the Ukrainian security forces, that the United States CIA Director John Brennan came to Kiev on Saturday.

      At first, the US authorities were not able to give an intelligible answer to the question of the Russian side whether such a visit took place, as stated by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

      However, on Monday, Washington confirmed the visit of CIA head John Brennan to Kiev.

      Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was removed from power, said on Sunday that the Ukrainian security forces decided on a special operation in the east of the country just after meeting with Brennan.

      The State Duma believes that the United States is probably concerned about the instability of the new authorities in Kiev and of Ukraine as a whole, in this context the visit of the head of the CIA to Kiev should be considered.

      Source: vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682084.html
      1. mamont5
        mamont5 April 15 2014 16: 41
        +5
        Quote: Siberian19
        A senior source in the Russian Security Council said that about 20 American citizens, presumably employees of the private military company Blackwater, disappeared near Donetsk. According to the source, this circumstance was the reason for the urgent visit of the CIA director John Brennan to Kiev.


        How interesting ... And where are they? Hope to be presented at the right place and at the right time. That's the way the CIA got so agitated.
        1. from punk
          from punk April 15 2014 16: 56
          +1
          Quote: mamont5
          How interesting ... And where are they?

          and probably where the ninja when meeting with the Cossacks in the Far East. repent of sins
        2. polite people
          polite people April 15 2014 18: 05
          +1
          They can be sure. They will be presented to the full extent of the law. soldier
      2. Manul
        Manul April 15 2014 16: 51
        +23
        Quote: Siberian19
        Source: Head of the CIA came to Kiev to search for missing Blackwater employees Traces of the Americans have not yet been found, and the Kiev authorities could not help the head of the CIA, the source added.

        They went into the forest, accompanied by a bearded uncle in zipun, felt boots and earflaps. The soldiers contacted the headquarters and reported that everything was in order and they were escorted to the destination by local resident Ivan Susanin.
      3. RND
        RND April 15 2014 16: 51
        +9
        Source: Head of the CIA came to Kiev to search for missing Blackwater employees Traces of the Americans have not yet been found, and the Kiev authorities could not help the head of the CIA, the source added.

        Now let them look in the outhouses! am
      4. mamont5
        mamont5 April 15 2014 17: 24
        +2
        Quote: Siberian19
        The head of the CIA came to Kiev to look for the missing Blackwater employees; no trace of the Americans has yet been found, and the Kiev authorities could not help the head of the CIA


        Now it occurred to me, or maybe they just got lost. GPS broke or lost everything, and without GPS they are as if without hands, even from the city park they will not find a way out, not like from the forest.
        1. izGOI
          izGOI April 16 2014 04: 20
          0
          Lost in huts with Deers and a vodka
    5. Tersky
      Tersky April 15 2014 16: 31
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Rumor has it that the Americans have already lost 20 mercenaries of gray stone. Does anyone have more info?

      found only this:CIA director arrives in Kiev in search of missing mercenaries read fully here
    6. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 15 2014 16: 34
      +16
      Incorrect abundance information.
      Total collected about 1500 FightersOf these, 800 are the National Guard, 200 military and other units.
      40 BMP-1
      6 BRDM
      2 Mi-8
      2 Mi-24
      15 T-64BM
      8 MLRS "Grad"
      12 towed artillery D-30
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 15 2014 16: 47
        +4
        This is quite enough for the city to turn into ruins. I hope that our military has already received a "subtle" hint of retaliatory actions in the event of at least one shot at civilians.
        1. asar
          asar April 15 2014 19: 53
          0
          P ... s may not be included in the "population"! will stand on the way and open fire on the city, they have nothing to lose!
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 April 15 2014 20: 44
            +1
            There is always something to lose. Besides, who - "them"? Artellerists? Pilots? Tankmen? In order to raze a city with a civilian population to the ground, and besides, to which attention is riveted, an ORDER is needed, preferably in writing, and not on Twitter. Who has the courage to give it up?
      2. Tersky
        Tersky April 15 2014 16: 50
        +9
        Quote: Sith Lord
        40 BMP-1
        6 BRDM
        2 Mi-8
        2 Mi-24
        15 T-64BM
        8 MLRS "Grad"
        12 towed artillery D-30

        If they are all concentrated in one place, the SU-34 link for a couple of visits ...
        1. delfinN
          delfinN April 15 2014 17: 04
          +5
          There is nothing to burn kerosene. One is enough. Who will remain after this and will spoil all his life for himself.
        2. jjj
          jjj April 15 2014 17: 13
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          link SU-34 for a couple of visits.

          Or a couple of fuel trucks fuel trucks with cranes open for draining to fit and illuminate the fire paths
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          2. matross
            matross April 15 2014 17: 55
            +13
            Destroy their labor for aviation is not. Only aircraft will not arrive and will not attack. In any case. Even if they Slavyansk razed to the ground. Russian armed forces will not enter into open conflict. This will contradict the whole logic of the development of the situation. There should be no mention in the history of the Russian-Ukrainian war, even the victorious one!
            1. papas-57
              papas-57 April 15 2014 20: 19
              0
              "The Russian Armed Forces will not enter an open conflict." And if by accident a volley of the Tornado arrives, well, the missiles are off course, the GPS has gone bad. Their mercenaries got lost, we have missiles.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 15 2014 20: 30
                +3
                Quote: papas-57
                And if a tornado volley flies by accident, well, the missiles went astray, the GPS flashed. Their mercenaries got lost, we have rockets.

                Here the other day GLONASS satellites began to junk "massively" ... And why not? laughing
              2. matross
                matross April 15 2014 20: 37
                -1
                Quote: papas-57
                a tornado volley accidentally flies in, well, the missiles went astray, the GPS flashed.

                A tornado is a MLRS. What does GPS have to do with it? Teach the materiel, dear.
                1. TiRex
                  TiRex April 15 2014 21: 38
                  -1
                  firing from it at maximum range is carried out using satellite guidance ...
                  1. matross
                    matross April 15 2014 22: 33
                    0
                    Not shooting, but topographic location using satellite navigation. Aiming and pointing are not the same thing. Do not stir up water.
        3. Vita_vko
          Vita_vko April 15 2014 17: 22
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          link SU-34

          The first time it doesn’t work out. CRA advisers are not. There probably is an air defense cover, Buki 100%, and possibly S-30PS.
          In any case, it will be easier to help the civilian population here than in Tskhinvali, but people still need to prepare shelters in the basements, and the self-defense forces make supplies, trenches, coordinate maneuver routes and an identification system to avoid "friendly fire".
        4. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 April 16 2014 03: 20
          +1
          Quote: Tersky
          link SU-34 for a couple of visits ...

          Vitya! And what will be needed 24m more? I am about both wassat
      3. Flooding
        Flooding April 15 2014 16: 51
        +17
        Quote: Sith Lord
        In total, about 1500 fighters were assembled, of which 800 were the National Guard, 200 military and other units

        So yes, the author forgot about the 1st "elite" battalion of the National Guard.
        Although by Ukrainian standards, why not paratroopers?
        No offense, Ukrainians. But for me there is no such state anymore.
        Some kind of misunderstanding on the map.
      4. dmitriygorshkov
        dmitriygorshkov April 15 2014 16: 58
        +7
        Quote: Sith Lord
        8 MLRS "Grad"

        It strains basically this!
        And so something I do not see especially the forces and means that "certainly" will win everyone!
        1. Orik
          Orik April 15 2014 17: 14
          +4
          Quote: dmitriygorshkov
          Quote: Sith Lord
          8 MLRS "Grad"

          It strains basically this!
          And so something I do not see especially the forces and means that "certainly" will win everyone!

          They are certainly idiots, but the use of hailstones is their end.
        2. voliador
          voliador April 15 2014 23: 08
          0
          Without means of combating armored vehicles, the guys will not be able to cope with so much armor.
      5. Flooding
        Flooding April 15 2014 16: 59
        +3
        Quote: Sith Lord
        of which 800 nat guard

        On this photo the form of brave guardsmen is better visible
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto April 15 2014 17: 13
          0
          Beat your own so that strangers are afraid? Oh well, Mr Turchinov (I did not mean Mr., another word).
        2. Pavel Sinko
          Pavel Sinko April 15 2014 17: 33
          0
          and not only the form can be seen the resemblance to the policemen of the Second World War. Persons soulless in the eyes of one money.
      6. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 15 2014 17: 01
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Incorrect abundance information.

        Yes, now it’s possible to go to Moscow.
    7. nikcris
      nikcris April 15 2014 16: 45
      0
      There is. They dig my garden)))
    8. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB April 15 2014 16: 53
      +1
      Quote: VengefulRat
      Another junta strengthened the beaches of Odessa fool . C @ ki fueling the atmosphere
      http://vz.ru/news/2014/4/15/682156.html

      On the contrary, this is how Odessa residents meet an American ship ...
    9. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 15 2014 16: 57
      +3
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Rumor has it that the Americans have already lost 20 mercenaries of gray stone.

      There are a lot of rumors in the internet, Igor shouldn’t believe everything hi
    10. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 15 2014 17: 09
      +13
      [b] No one has yet shot, and the ship’s crew has already crap ...

      The Pentagon admitted that the imitation of the attack of the Su-24 on the destroyer of the U.S. Navy had a demoralizing effect on the crew of the ship

      27 destroyer crew members filed a resignation report. Commenting on their actions, they said that they did not intend to endanger their lives.

      The Pentagon issued a statement on Monday stating that the Russian Su-24 bomber flew several times on Saturday near the US Navy destroyer Donald Cook in the Black Sea and simulated a military attack several times.

      As Pentagon spokesman Colonel Stephen Warren told Reuter, a Russian bomber flew twelve times at low altitude not far from an American destroyer. He called these maneuvers intimidating and unacceptable, since this demoralizes the personnel of the ship and negatively affects the general psychological climate among the military personnel.

      Warren noted that the destroyer patrolled the waters in the west of the Black Sea when the incident occurred. According to him, now the ship is safe in the Romanian port, where it was urgently evacuated. The crew members undergo the necessary procedures with a psychologist to recover from the stress.

      "Donald Cook" - the third, in a row, the US Navy ship, which was sent to the Black Sea in recent years. Earlier, the United States had already sent a missile frigate Taylor to the sea, but the ship ran aground off the Black Sea coast of Turkey, which is why it was unable to continue its mission.

      Under international maritime treaties, American ships cannot be in the Black Sea for more than 14 days, and exceeding this period gives Russia the legal right to launch a missile attack and destroy these ships without declaring US war. Knowing this possibility, crew members and commanders of American ships naturally worry about their lives. And although the Pentagon promised to increase the insurance amount of military personnel from 1 million dollars. up to 3 million dollars, it’s all the same, few people are reassured, since there are few chances to survive on the high seas and then get insurance payment, but the dead do not need money.

      As a result, the crew of the Donald Cook was forced to sail with a shortage of personnel, and the dismissal of another 27 crew members, who may be followed by others, jeopardizes the further successful implementation of the task.

      source: http://www.oplot.info/content/pentagon-priznal-chto-imitaciya-ataki-su-24-na-esm
      inec-vms-ssha-proizvela-demoralizuyushchiy / b]
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz April 15 2014 17: 14
        +4
        Dumb! Warriors! Well, a polite crew flew (on the plane) and without weapons. They raise some panic. Rats compared to them are brave rodents!
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      3. Sandov
        Sandov April 15 2014 17: 37
        +2
        Quote: Coffee_time
        27 destroyer crew members filed a resignation report. Commenting on their actions, they said that they did not intend to endanger their lives.

        Wise people.
      4. zao74
        zao74 April 15 2014 17: 37
        +5
        I managed to read up to this "The Pentagon admitted that the imitation of the attack of the Su-24 on the US Navy destroyer had a demoralizing effect on the crew of the ship" - tears rolled ... from laughter. Weak amers with a smell, let them say thank you that Gastello was not at the helm. wassat
      5. Pavel Sinko
        Pavel Sinko April 15 2014 17: 42
        +2
        What the Yankees were and still are. They got used to raking in the wrong hands, and they are trying to pit the fraternal peoples and Europe and Russia. Americans just don’t have any history like Russia has no where to draw inspiration and patriotism from. The colossus is on the clay feet of the USA. How can one be sure of right thing when your government continually sends you to bomb the cities of the hospital school.
      6. Che Guevara
        Che Guevara April 15 2014 17: 44
        0
        This is a fake, do not mislead people
        1. matross
          matross April 15 2014 19: 28
          +3
          Quote: Chegevara
          It's fake

          Thank God! At least someone understood! And we roll on Svidomit barrels that they believe recklessly believe in propaganda. One Russian bomber fired 27 troops from the US Navy! In one training attack! Let's not forget to turn on the brain, friends! It would be so simple ... THEY, of course, are accustomed to soft pipyax, but they should not be considered demented cowards.
      7. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul April 15 2014 17: 48
        +4
        The Pentagon issued a statement on Monday stating that the Russian Su-24 bomber flew several times on Saturday near the US Navy destroyer Donald Cook in the Black Sea and simulated a military attack several times.
        I go nuts with these amers, a common practice when any warship flies over coastal aircraft. When we also served as a conscript on the transition along the coast of Norway, their Orions flew around how many times, including imitating combat approaches, it all ended when the BCH-2 pointed the Ak-630 at them. hi
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      9. tolancop
        tolancop April 15 2014 17: 57
        +3
        This must be read hotly by supporters of the mercenary army.
        Serious things did not start yet, and already 27 snouts from the crew urgently wanted to go ashore.
        "Pentagon spokesman Colonel Stephen Warren, a Russian bomber, flew twelve times at low altitude near the American destroyer. He called these maneuvers intimidating and unacceptable, as it demoralizes the ship's personnel and negatively affects the overall psychological climate among the military."
        Strange statement. Did you go to the resort on a cruise? Or is the Eminet a battle ship? They saw an unarmed plane nearby and put on full trousers .. Well, yes, it’s not Tomahawks for a hundred miles to hurl around peaceful cities.
    11. dmitrij.blyuz
      dmitrij.blyuz April 15 2014 17: 11
      +2
      Risky guy. Young man. Truth-mother cuts on white. Good luck to him. (Regarding the video)
    12. lukke
      lukke April 15 2014 17: 11
      0
      Rumor has it that the Americans have already lost 20 mercenaries of gray stone. Does anyone have more info?
      Yes, guys just saw these beautiful girls and took a walk ...
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    14. COLUN
      COLUN April 15 2014 17: 18
      +2
      In Kramatorsk battle! Aircraft Attack:
      http://youtu.be/KjjEnTSpSaY

      The Ukrainian army storms the airfield in Kramatorsk, there are wounded among the militias

      The Ukrainian army is storming an airfield in Kramatorsk, Donetsk region, representatives of supporters of federalization of Ukraine said. According to them, among the militias there are first victims.

      15 April 2014, 17: 19


      Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/27903#ixzz2yxeXQpI5
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 15 2014 17: 35
        0
        Is not a fact. Too far and the plane itself is not visible.
        1. COLUN
          COLUN April 15 2014 17: 40
          +1


          Is it fast and furious, or knocked out?
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          2. Tamparu
            Tamparu April 15 2014 17: 45
            +1
            Quote: COLUN




            Is it fast and furious, or knocked out?


            Fast and Furious
            1. dmitrij.blyuz
              dmitrij.blyuz April 15 2014 17: 53
              +1
              The engines smoke on the Mig-29. This is the design.
    15. semuil
      semuil April 15 2014 17: 18
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Rumor has it that the Americans have already lost 20 mercenaries of gray stone. Does anyone have more info?

      Yesterday I listened to this information on REN TV, if I am not mistaken in the "free time" program. They said that the captured armed people who do not speak Russian are now being checked and more detailed information will be available soon. That's all.
    16. typhoon7
      typhoon7 April 15 2014 17: 37
      +4
      I know that a couple of days ago there was a serious hitch of Slavyansk’s self-defense with the Ukrainian special forces, the following losses, the junta special forces lost 19 killed, 8 wounded, one was taken prisoner. self-defense lost four dead, nine injured (data vary). When clearing the forest after a provocation near Slavyansk, four law-enforcement agencies were destroyed. Among the killed fighters are juntas, special forces, law enforcement officers, unidentified in gray uniform. The level of training of many self-defenders is more than impressive. A lot of information is available at http://vk.com/soutukraine. Probably this is why they are pulling up heavy weapons and aircraft under Slavyansk.
    17. Igmail
      Igmail April 15 2014 17: 47
      0
      Listen, by the way, someone posted on this site in the morning. Maybe the same guys frolic.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDx-TqeWj4]
    18. Igmail
      Igmail April 15 2014 17: 50
      0
      Look at this link. Maybe the same guys frolic.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVDx-TqeWj4
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz April 15 2014 18: 03
        +1
        Not a weak link. Guys hold on.
    19. ruton
      ruton April 15 2014 19: 38
      +1
      And it seems to me that we need a kind of Swan, as in Transnistria. Not the same as the Czechs. and when he was young and perky. We need people from us, who can break it all, unite and explain, do not touch - it will kill.
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    21. Natrix
      Natrix April 16 2014 14: 00
      0
      http://forum-msk.org/material/power/10316669.html
  2. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 15 2014 16: 22
    +8
    I'll take you blinded from what was. wassat
    And then what was then love. fool laughing
    1. tundra
      tundra April 15 2014 17: 34
      +3
      and then a week hands with soap soap
  3. svetlomor
    svetlomor April 15 2014 16: 22
    +6
    It is necessary to fly over them as a cruiser, to explain the policy of the party.
    1. Mihail29
      Mihail29 April 15 2014 16: 32
      +4
      It’s right to demonstrate that we all see that we are close and in which case we can’t escape from a retaliatory strike.
      1. GradusHuK
        GradusHuK April 15 2014 17: 40
        0
        It is necessary to declare Yu-V an unmanned zone.
    2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT April 15 2014 16: 36
      +2
      Better than "Night Hunters", let them burn all the scrap metal!
      1. novobranets
        novobranets April 15 2014 16: 50
        0
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Better than "Night Hunters", let them burn all the scrap metal!

        Disposal is called however. yes
  4. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 15 2014 16: 23
    0
    Great plans, unlike pants, do not try on your ass.
  5. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 15 2014 16: 23
    +9
    Think about it, Herods !!! Do not spill blood !!!
    1. Sandov
      Sandov April 15 2014 16: 42
      +15
      Quote: johnsnz
      Think about it, Herods !!! Do not spill blood !!!
      1. Pavel Sinko
        Pavel Sinko April 15 2014 17: 47
        +1
        These people will not think better of nowhere to retreat. They have completely compromised themselves. And they will not let them go and betrayed their own. Demons go on talking and they only need to take more souls from the lost to hell, which they do. I hope for the consciousness of people in Ukraine .
      2. Val_y
        Val_y April 15 2014 20: 07
        0
        So for this they were delivered
  6. Keeper
    Keeper April 15 2014 16: 24
    +3
    In spirit, all these nationalists are weak! Since they have no relatives behind them, houses, children and friends!
    Always defending fight more powerful than attacking!
    1. Evil Pole
      Evil Pole April 15 2014 17: 03
      +11
      In August-September 1941, it was from the Izyumsky direction that Hitler troops went on the offensive in the Donbass. These creatures repeat what has already happened in the war. My grandfather died near the North Donets when the Nazis crushed them with tanks. I NEVER FORGIVE NEW FASCISTS WHAT HAPPENS NOW!
  7. mountaineer
    mountaineer April 15 2014 16: 24
    +22
    The most effective in such a situation is to warn the Ukrainian military about a possible blow of retaliation from the Russian side if the operation begins.


    self-defense will cope !!!
    otherwise it may work out like that !!! wassat
    1. Coffee_time
      Coffee_time April 15 2014 16: 49
      +21
      They need to be convincingly convinced that this cannot be done.
  8. ed65b
    ed65b April 15 2014 16: 24
    +39
    It is urgent to announce from the UN rostrum that in the event of strikes against peaceful cities of the Russian Federation, it reserves the right to declare the sky over Ukraine an unmanned zone with all the consequences and force the junta to peace by destroying troops.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon April 15 2014 16: 30
      +14
      And Putin reserved the right to protect the Russian-speaking population throughout Ukraine. I hope the junters know about this! And they don’t need to hope for NATO help, one already hoped somehow, I had to eat a tie ... laughing
      1. Burberry
        Burberry April 15 2014 16: 43
        +2
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        And Putin reserved the right to protect the Russian-speaking population throughout Ukraine.

        It seems to me that the fascists have forgotten, it would not hurt to remind.
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        I had to eat a tie ...

        Exactly, only now there is a choice - either glasses or a pigtail. ;)
    2. tungus
      tungus April 15 2014 16: 50
      +17
      Putin has already stated that if troops are used against civilians, Russia will respond harshly.
      As for the no-fly zone and troop entry, IMHO just pull to the border of the C-300. Both Lugansk and Donetsk regions border Russia, so there will be enough range.
      But tanks should not be introduced. Pen.dos achieve this. They will declare direct aggression of Russia and no facts on the genocide of the population by the Ukrzonderkommands will be taken into account. Based on the entry of Russian troops, the Americans will insist on breaking the majority of economic relations between Europe and Russia. This is not necessary either for us or for Europe, but penal dos are very necessary.
      And therefore, it is necessary to act differently. Special Forces detachments, sabotage operations to incapacitate equipment and personnel of combat ukrov, attack on columns on a march, destroy command personnel of ukrozoldaden. In short, unleash harsh diversionary measures by the forces of our special forces, but do not shine. And of course, saturate the People’s Army of the Southeast with weapons, help in coordinating actions, intelligence, propaganda.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 15 2014 17: 02
        +6
        Yes, what sabotage? Against who? This technique is already breathing. And the soldiers think so, where they would be washed away, in order to live. Link turntables, a company of polite people and all arrived. Even if selected Bandera gathered there, even against the Mi-8ATMSh they could not do anything. But I think nevertheless, Putin has a more elegant plan than a similar wave of his fists.
        1. Belarus
          Belarus April 15 2014 17: 41
          +3
          Turntables is certainly good, but where are MANPADS now who commited from military depots a big question.
      2. zzz
        zzz April 15 2014 17: 16
        +1
        I wonder if there are bomb shelters there?
        Quote: tungus
        just pull to the border of the S-300. Both Lugansk and Donetsk regions border Russia, so there will be enough range.



        I wonder if there are bomb shelters there?
      3. Mikros
        Mikros April 15 2014 17: 26
        +1
        Target designation and Iskander. At the same time and break in.
      4. Spnsr
        Spnsr April 15 2014 18: 24
        0
        Quote: tungus
        saturate the People’s Army of the Southeast with weapons

        yes they are full of weapons! Today they showed on the news that two trucks with weapons stopped the anti-Maidan, there are shots for the border, all of the above can be burned several times. a head is needed .... I think it is there, there were shots, maybe they are waiting for something more !?
  9. konvalval
    konvalval April 15 2014 16: 25
    +8
    Maybe some part came to go over to the side of the rebels? That would be great. We need to work with them, I do not think that there are only thugs.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 15 2014 16: 39
      +6
      Quote: konvalval
      Maybe some part came to go over to the side of the rebels?

      Without someone moving to the side of the rebels, apparently, it will not do. But the victims, if you do not stop the troops, will certainly be.
      It’s a pity ... But only after suffering certain losses, the army of banderlogs will be completely demoralized and will run (surrender), involving in its run the banderlog activists and those who joined them. But this requires even if not effective, but always a spectacular blow. Which one? Aviation, special forces no difference. Let there be few casualties, but the Ukrainian military should clearly see the complete futility of their actions.
      An uprising in a military unit would be extremely nice.
      And then: "... at once the blue Haidamak division set off from the bridge and ran into the City, through the City and forever out. Following the blue division, a wolf-like pace went kuren 'Kozyr-Leshko on frozen horses, danced some kind of kitchen ... then ... everything disappeared ... "
      History repeats itself!
  10. Djozz
    Djozz April 15 2014 16: 27
    +4
    And why the hell they need anti-tank weapons, like the "MO.S.K.L." tanks are not yet available!
    1. zzz
      zzz April 15 2014 16: 43
      +2
      Quote: Djozz
      And why the hell they need anti-tank weapons, like the "MO.S.K.L." tanks are not yet available!


      They give us the opportunity to show off on something))))
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 15 2014 16: 50
      +3
      They probably want to shoot barricades.
    3. zao74
      zao74 April 15 2014 17: 07
      +1
      So already one tank was captured, the others will be captured ... along with the guns. laughing
  11. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 15 2014 16: 27
    +8
    It is necessary to call them (the Nazi guard and others like them) - PUNISHERS.
    1. Leprechaun
      Leprechaun April 15 2014 16: 56
      0
      Better "Fashiki", it's more familiar
  12. tnship2
    tnship2 April 15 2014 16: 28
    +3
    In general, they survived from the mind in Kiev. Either they are XNUMX% (Yatsenyok and company) Kremlin agents. They are doing everything to make the southeast become Russian. They’re climbing straight from the skin, how else to explain their actions?
    1. Sandov
      Sandov April 15 2014 16: 44
      +7
      Quote: tnship2
      In general, they survived from the mind in Kiev. Either they are XNUMX% (Yatsenyok and company) Kremlin agents. They are doing everything to make the southeast become Russian. They’re climbing straight from the skin, how else to explain their actions?

      So they want us to feed Southeast. So he will feed himself without us.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 15 2014 17: 04
        +5
        Quote: Sandov
        So they want us to feed Southeast

        What is the name of the one in the picture, give her the phone number urgently winked
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 15 2014 20: 40
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What is the name of the one in the picture, give her the phone number urgently

          He was late, Alexander ... Already left for me by train Kiev-Warsaw ... laughing
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 15 2014 17: 41
        +3
        Beauty! good
        1. Little Muck
          Little Muck April 15 2014 18: 25
          +1
          I would like that. fellow
    2. zzz
      zzz April 15 2014 16: 56
      +2
      Quote: tnship2
      In general, they survived from the mind in Kiev. Either they are XNUMX% (Yatsenyok and company) Kremlin agents. They are doing everything to make the southeast become Russian. They’re climbing straight from the skin, how else to explain their actions?


      They are not in charge of the whole ball! The Americans are giving commands. But there, in the State Department, they cannot fully calculate the Russian mentality, customs, addictions, kindness and hatred at the same time, depending on who is in front of them. Obviously, they were not ready for such a turn in the South-East. They needed, as already written here, "controlled chaos". Chaos turned out, but not the way they wanted.
  13. Sochi
    Sochi April 15 2014 16: 28
    +9
    Damn, and after all there are those who want to pull the trigger ... then there will be neither right nor fault, then there will only be anger and revenge, and it will be incredibly difficult to stop this mess. And the creatures who arranged this at the slightest danger will be dumped over the hill, and will broadcast about interference and their own heroism - Ugh .. cattle.
  14. Russ69
    Russ69 April 15 2014 16: 28
    +12
    Finally, ours dawned ...

    / ITAR-TASS / The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has suspended the transfer to Ukraine of arms and military equipment from the Crimea so that they are not used against civilians in the east and southeast of the country - Antonov.
  15. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 April 15 2014 16: 30
    +27
    Answer junta residents Mariupol:
    1. Lelek
      Lelek April 15 2014 19: 23
      +6
      Do not boast, going to the army - boasted, going with rati.
  16. zzz
    zzz April 15 2014 16: 30
    +8
    Everything is very bad. I look forward to the evening, in the hope that everything will be decided peacefully. Although they do not give orders, but to America anyway, the more Slavs die, the better.
  17. kaa_andrey
    kaa_andrey April 15 2014 16: 30
    +5
    only an active direct informational impact on the assembled forces.

  18. parusnik
    parusnik April 15 2014 16: 31
    +6
    If this group, pulled together under Raisins, by the junta ... can be dispersed .. The Maidan will lose .. the miners will be able to open the way to Kiev for the miners ..
    1. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 15 2014 17: 16
      +4
      Quote: parusnik
      that is, the way for miners in Kiev will be open ..

      This is not the first time I have seen this and can’t get it! What are you talking about? Southeast residents will not leave their region! They have gathered to defend their cities and towns! Their families! They won’t go to Kiev! They don’t need it !
      Unless they are driven by revenge for the destroyed houses and murdered relatives! Lord take me away!
      1. zzz
        zzz April 15 2014 17: 26
        +2
        Quote: dmitriygorshkov
        This is not the first time I have seen this and can’t get it! What are you talking about? Southeast residents will not leave their region! They have gathered to defend their cities and towns! Their families! They won’t go to Kiev! They don’t need it !
        Unless they are driven by revenge for the destroyed houses and murdered relatives! Lord take me away!


        I completely agree. They won’t go. Well, only to Kharkov.
  19. Evil Pole
    Evil Pole April 15 2014 16: 31
    +16
    We urgently need to organize a "Izyum Cauldron" for them, and this operation will be included in the textbooks!
  20. komod77
    komod77 April 15 2014 16: 31
    +9
    © ITAR-TASS / EPA / ARTUR SHVARTS

    MOSCOW, April 15. / ITAR-TASS /. The Russian Ministry of Defense has suspended the transfer of weapons and military equipment from the Crimea to Ukraine so that they are not used against civilians in the east and southeast of this country, deputy defense minister of the Russian Federation Anatoly Antonov told reporters.

    "I would like to remind you that the Russian Federation adheres to international obligations, and within the framework of the Paris Charter, within the framework of the Helsinki Act, UN and OSCE decisions, it has undertaken not to supply or to show restraint regarding the supply of weapons to hot spots," he said.

    According to the deputy minister, the east and south-east of Ukraine are currently a hot spot.

    "In this regard, Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu made a decision to suspend the transfer of weapons and military equipment that previously belonged to Ukraine, the Crimean Federal District to the central part of the country," Antonov explained. However, according to him, this does not apply to ships and aircraft.

    To date, 389 units of armored vehicles have been handed over to Ukraine, including eight helicopters and three warships, the deputy minister added.
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 April 15 2014 21: 54
      +1
      A smart decision, but a bit late! From the very beginning, it was impossible to give military equipment, albeit in a deplorable state, to notorious ENEMIES. Indeed, from the very beginning it was clear that this rabble was not going to fight with any foreign army. It was not difficult to predict that it would be used against the population! For a belated decision to our MINUS leadership!
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 16 2014 11: 50
        +1
        Quote: Saratoga833
        For a belated decision to our MINUS leadership!

        Well, let's not rush to blame the manual immediately.
        The technique can be given "terrible from the inside, from the outside it seems to be in good order", ie. absolutely not combat-ready.
        Here one "offended" complained that many tanks brought to Odessa from the Crimea did not have sights ... request
        And you can leave the sight in place, but pour a little some muck inside it. Or put a few needles into the wiring harnesses of the electrical equipment, or add accumulator acid concentrate to the engine coolant, etc. etc.
        I do not want to fight! lol
  21. Komsomolec80
    Komsomolec80 April 15 2014 16: 34
    +17
    Up to Izium from Belgorod 200 km, and perhaps ours are closer. That would be a raid, tyhenko, at dawn. Take away the toys, and politely slap the "kids", lightly on the pope. And immediately back, like we were not here.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 April 15 2014 16: 54
      +1
      Burning from above. If only 1-2 people get through, and with infantry a lot of time is needed, but back?
      Not Americans, and not only they graze from above, many graze and can burn, but these are forks ...
  22. sinukvl
    sinukvl April 15 2014 16: 34
    +6
    There are no doubts that there are shell-shocked heads to issue an order for an assault. The only thing is that all company and platoon commanders will rush to carry it out. I doubt this, most of them will have ways to carry out the order without essentially fulfilling it. as an example and the actions of Donetsk Alpha and the Airborne Forces brigade, and the actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Crimea. Grassroots commanders are well aware that the Kiev junta will make them extreme.
  23. kudwar68
    kudwar68 April 15 2014 16: 34
    +10
    Have everything they could ... be afraid of the "separatists"
    1. zao74
      zao74 April 15 2014 17: 47
      +1
      Impact Pie !!! wassat
  24. Anton Gavrilov
    Anton Gavrilov April 15 2014 16: 34
    +7
    Such a military machine was lowered into Mr.! If you took advantage of what they got from the USSR, it would be one of the strongest armies in the world! Not like now, I suppose they are laughing at them in the West, just serious journalists portray ......
  25. daemon
    daemon April 15 2014 16: 35
    +16
    It is high time for these imbeciles to be put in their place "against the wall", the guys started playing in power.
  26. nika407
    nika407 April 15 2014 16: 37
    +4
    Video of the beating of Tsarev, no words ...
    1. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 15 2014 16: 48
      +4
      A flock of sheep ...
      1. Bryanskiy_Volk
        Bryanskiy_Volk April 15 2014 18: 03
        0
        The freedom to be a sheep is funny laughing , and when it’s funny, then it’s not scary, as M. Zadornov says. Banderlog filthy stuff their price, like we consider them a relative laughing To begin with, they are not people at all ... stop
    2. joum
      joum April 15 2014 16: 55
      0
      The Kiev prosecutor’s office entered in the Unified Register of Pre-Trial Investigations information on the commission by the People’s Deputy of Ukraine Oleg Tsarev of the actions provided for by Art. 110 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (encroachment on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine). This is stated in the message of the Prosecutor General.
      In addition, in connection with the events that took place with the participation of Tsarev on April 14 in Kiev when he visited one of the television companies, the internal affairs authorities instituted criminal proceedings under part 4 of Art. 296 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (hooliganism). The procedural management is carried out by the prosecutor's office of Kiev.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 15 2014 16: 58
        +2
        Quote: joum
        A flock of sheep ...

        Yes, ...
        Quote: joum
        The Kiev prosecutor’s office entered in the Unified Register of Pre-Trial Investigations information on the commission by the People’s Deputy of Ukraine Oleg Tsarev of the actions provided for by Art. 110 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (encroachment on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine).

        And the prosecutor’s bydlya ... yes
    3. Dubox
      Dubox April 15 2014 17: 02
      +6


      all the words are here
    4. solaco
      solaco April 15 2014 17: 47
      +1
      Quote: nika407
      Video of the beating of Tsarev, no words ...

      Indeed, there are no words, only emotions! belay
      And do they pretend to be the title of a European state? Yes, it’s a mile away from them! am
    5. zao74
      zao74 April 15 2014 17: 50
      +1
      I didn’t understand something, was it his guard nearby or was it just people? If protection, drive you up ...
    6. Pavel Sinko
      Pavel Sinko April 15 2014 17: 55
      +1
      Animals. Where veterinarians with tranquilizers of rabid dogs can calm down. Yes, and sterilization did not interfere with these animals so that their ideas do not produce. In the name of peace on earth.
    7. sPS
      sPS April 15 2014 19: 11
      +1
      here you have free elections .... but there aren’t enough swearing in Russian ... miners must also meet the Turchin miners
  27. mamont5
    mamont5 April 15 2014 16: 37
    +6
    "... the only thing that can stop this grouping is not traditional diplomacy, but direct contacts between the military. The most effective in such a situation is to warn the Ukrainian military about a possible retaliation from the Russian side in the event of an operation."

    Perhaps it will help if there are adequate people there, but if not ... then you will have to beat the beat.
  28. Dezinto
    Dezinto April 15 2014 16: 38
    +12
    Gathered? Well done, just stand there, and it’s better not to move, or you’ll shoot each other.
  29. svp67
    svp67 April 15 2014 16: 39
    +7
    All Donbass residents who are currently serving in the Armed Forces and the National Guard, as well as other law enforcement agencies - NECESSARY TO RETURN HOME. This also applies to residents of Lugansk and Kharkov ...
    1. SPLV
      SPLV April 15 2014 16: 59
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      All Donbass residents who are currently serving in the Armed Forces and the National Guard, as well as other law enforcement agencies - NECESSARY TO RETURN HOME. This also applies to residents of Lugansk and Kharkov ...

      I apologize, but I remember that both Lugansk and part of the Rostov region belonged to the Donetsk coal basin, that is, the Donbass (from the name of the Seversky Donets river). Donbass and Lugansk speak a little incorrectly.
  30. tnship2
    tnship2 April 15 2014 16: 39
    +1
    It is reported that the first battalion of the National Guard departed to the east of Ukraine. This was stated by Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Andrei Paruby. “The first battalion of the National Guard, formed from self-defense volunteers of the Maidan, went to the front. The fighters have high morale and readiness to defend Ukraine. It is very difficult there. I know this - I just recently returned from Lugansk, where I spent the whole week, ”he wrote on his Facebook page.

    Original article: http://russian.rt.com/article/27880#ixzz2yxSgrW5s///////// Where did he sit in Lugansk?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 15 2014 17: 06
      +5
      Hollow Breast. What is so advanced? Have you already opened the front?
  31. novobranets
    novobranets April 15 2014 16: 41
    +6
    The right sector is the main weapon of the junta. It must be destroyed first of all, then the vacillating Armed Forces of Ukraine, can be sent on the right track. Otherwise, these scoundrels will provoke a blood bath, they themselves will run away, but in the mess arranged by them, in the absence of communication and coordination between the parts, people will die.
    PS There would be a right person, would shoot this pubic lice-Turchinov.
  32. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya April 15 2014 16: 41
    +6
    It would be good if the Ukrainian military got down to business and swept the junta off sour cream like a fly. Otherwise, the fate of the "Berkut" awaits them, or do you think that the Kiev impostors will take responsibility for the innocent murdered? No matter how it is: if they, covering the murderers from the "Maidan", are trying to blame those who followed the orders of the legally elected president (who, to tell the truth, betrayed them), and what to expect from the "impostors" I think there is no need to explain. I served almost 12 years in the Kiev Military District, many Ukrainian officers served in the unit, normal adequate people. I don’t think that all the current Bandera people, of course, are scumbags among them, but not to such an extent as to kill their citizens!
  33. 3030
    3030 April 15 2014 16: 41
    +1
    In my opinion, when the junta gathers around Slovyansk its super army, 5-6 Points-U or the same number of Iskanders will probably fall in their location.
  34. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 15 2014 16: 42
    +5
    Guys on Crazy, you stop pumping! If you pull your rusty trigger, you will no longer have a peaceful return road! You think what you do!
  35. Horly
    Horly April 15 2014 16: 42
    0
    It is necessary to apply the same trick as with the American destroyer, after which there 27 people were about to leave. If the article is not fake: http://novorus.info/news/policy/15233-pen%20tagon-priznal-chto-imitaciya-ataki-s
    u-24-na-esminec-vms-ssha-proizvela-demoraliz% 20uyuschiy-effekt-na-ekipazh.html
  36. KazakPatrol
    KazakPatrol April 15 2014 16: 43
    +1
    We live in an interesting time, damn it ........
    1. Burberry
      Burberry April 15 2014 16: 51
      +3
      Quote: KazakPatrol
      We live in an interesting time, damn it ........

      According to anyone, sooner or later the mattresses would have made this mess.
      Another thing - the first pause of our government led to the annexation of Crimea. Now there is a second pause, I hope it will end as successfully and without blood as the first.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 15 2014 17: 08
        +2
        By the way, yes. Putin is silent. See the latest adjustment plans.
  37. copper49
    copper49 April 15 2014 16: 44
    +5
    In any case, the assault on Slavyansk, if God forbid, will be the end of the junta and the end of the "united Ukraine". Firing in a city full of civilians and children will cause a lot of casualties, and no one will forgive them, not even the Maidan (not everyone is rabid there). Therefore, I think and hope that the commanders and soldiers of the Ukrainian army will not commit this crime.
    1. mark7
      mark7 April 15 2014 17: 26
      0
      Quote: copper49

      In any case, the assault on Slavyansk, if God forbid, will be the end of the junta and the end of the "united Ukraine". Firing in a city full of civilians and children will cause a lot of casualties, and no one will forgive them, not even the Maidan (not everyone is rabid there). Therefore, I think and hope that the commanders and soldiers of the Ukrainian army will not commit this crime.

      This is so, and Trupchinova will be hanged like muslin by the legs upside down
  38. Luga
    Luga April 15 2014 16: 45
    +8
    Guns, tanks, multiple launch rocket systems - Durchinov had enough foolishness to give the order to open fire. Moreover, if he does not do this, his account in the mattress bank will not be replenished, or even empty. I am interested in another question. Will there be one among those who received such an order who will actually "press the button", "pull the pimp"? The one who does this will be cursed forever and ever and he must understand this perfectly.
    Advancing to a position, installing guns is one thing, and loading them with combat, pointing and firing is another, quite another.
    Personally, it seems to me that the multiple launch rocket systems have not worked up to now only because there are no people who should directly "pull the trigger".
    1. Katyushka
      Katyushka April 16 2014 00: 25
      0
      I apologize. You have a typo in the name of not Durchinov but Drochinov!
  39. tokin1959
    tokin1959 April 15 2014 16: 45
    0
    and is there really one of those people who pulls the trigger ?????
    1. nicollider
      nicollider April 15 2014 17: 11
      +1
      there is. Yes, at least blackwater. shoot from the city - this is not to climb to the forefront. so - wait for the mattresses and move
    2. Djozz
      Djozz April 15 2014 17: 55
      0
      Well, that's all, there is no more strength, you are already the second on this thread. I repeat, the trigger is not pulled, it is RETRIEVED !!!
  40. komod77
    komod77 April 15 2014 16: 48
    +11
    The Pentagon issued a statement stating that the Russian Su-24 bomber on Saturday several times flew near the US Navy destroyer Donald Cook in the Black Sea, simulating a military attack.

    As a Pentagon spokesman Colonel Stephen Warren told Reuters, a Russian bomber flew twelve times at low altitude not far from an American destroyer. He called these maneuvers intimidating and unacceptable, since this demoralizes the personnel of the ship and negatively affects the general psychological climate among the military personnel.

    Warren noted that the destroyer patrolled the waters in the west of the Black Sea when the incident occurred. According to him, Now the ship is safe in the Romanian port, where it was urgently evacuated. The crew members undergo the necessary procedures with a psychologist to recover from the stress. 27 destroyer crew members filed a resignation report. Commenting on their actions, they said that they did not intend to endanger their lives.

    "Donald Cook" - the third, in a row, the US Navy ship, which was sent to the Black Sea in recent years. Earlier, the United States had already sent a missile frigate Taylor to the sea, but the ship ran aground off the Black Sea coast of Turkey, which is why it was unable to continue its mission.

    Under international maritime treaties, American ships cannot be in the Black Sea for more than 14 days, and exceeding this period gives Russia the legal right to launch a missile attack and destroy these ships without declaring US war. Knowing this possibility, crew members and commanders of American ships naturally worry about their lives. And although the Pentagon promised to increase the insurance amount of military personnel from 1 million dollars. up to 3 million dollars, it’s all the same, few people are reassured, since there are few chances to survive on the high seas and then get insurance payment, but the dead do not need money.

    As a result, the crew of the Donald Cook was forced to sail with a shortage of personnel, and the dismissal of another 27 crew members, who may be followed by others, jeopardizes the further successful implementation of the task.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets April 15 2014 16: 56
      +2
      Quote: komod77
      27 crew members of the destroyer filed a resignation report.

      Bear disease overcame after a demonstration of piloting the Su-24. The clean pants are over, it's time to go home.
      1. jjj
        jjj April 15 2014 17: 19
        +1
        In the course of ours, we developed a technique for fighting with NATO ships - to give young pilots to practice flights nearby
    2. Eugene
      Eugene April 15 2014 17: 03
      +7
      I wonder how the Pentagon will comment on this:
    3. Dubox
      Dubox April 15 2014 17: 07
      +1
      If after a plane’s flight over them rehabilitation is needed, what will happen if something is nearby to blow up? On water, how will Baron Minchhausen run?
      1. zzz
        zzz April 15 2014 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: Dubox
        If after a plane’s flight over them rehabilitation is needed, what will happen if something is nearby to blow up? On water, how will Baron Minchhausen run?


        It’s even somehow strange, what kind of warriors are they?
      2. shuhartred
        shuhartred April 15 2014 18: 03
        +1
        Quote: Dubox
        If after a plane’s flight over them rehabilitation is needed, what will happen if something is nearby to blow up? On water, how will Baron Minchhausen run?

        And if not near, but to get there? And will they live to see the guts on the deck? (Warning caustic posts: I vomit, but I'm not a military man, and I definitely won’t need a psychologist after that)
  41. Lyton
    Lyton April 15 2014 16: 50
    +6
    Quote: svetlomor
    It is necessary to fly over them as a cruiser, to explain the policy of the party.

    But sho, fear God, don’t you remember how Mishiko Sakashvili nearly stopped his heart when he saw our fighter in the sky, and there were as many as 800 people there, infringing the enemy so much.
    1. salamandra2826
      salamandra2826 April 15 2014 21: 58
      0
      And if we consider that ours are fighting since the 91st apart from Afghanistan, then this is not even a mockery. I can’t pick up a word ...
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  43. COLUN
    COLUN April 15 2014 16: 51
    +3
    Quote: tnship2
    The fighters have high morale and a willingness to defend Ukraine.

    You cannot win much with one high spirit.
  44. Znayka
    Znayka April 15 2014 16: 51
    +2
    In Kramatorsk, shooting at the airport. The troops landed and it looks like they are shooting from planes. At 18:00 local time, apparently the main phase of the operation will begin.
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  46. Saratovets
    Saratovets April 15 2014 16: 53
    0
    YES, it’s not clear who they shot at, the roofing felts at the airport or the snipers or to whom, and whether they shot at all, they are waiting for confirmation
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  49. valentina-makanalina
    valentina-makanalina April 15 2014 16: 55
    +4
    "The most effective thing in such a situation is to warn the Ukrainian military about a possible retaliation from the Russian side if the operation starts." This is what the author says. This is at least unwise.
  50. daemon
    daemon April 15 2014 16: 56
    +4
    Quote: Lyton
    lowering so to mock the enemy.

    it’s necessary maybe even a demonstration of power will lower them to the ground, but they’ll generally march in a different reality once they throw an army on civilians !!