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Snipers No One Has Seen

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Snipers No One Has Seen
Here is the hunting variant of our expert SKS



After the joint press conference of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, Acting Deputy Minister 3, held on April Prosecutor General Oleg Makhnitsky and the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Valentin Nalyvaychenko, as well as after their further comments by the media in the shooting of protesters on the Maidan, some clarity appeared: according to security officials, defenseless people killed the “Berkut” and the special division of the Security Service of Ukraine “Alpha” as if in a shooting gallery. ". However, many experts doubt this and believe that they have made scapegoats of servicemen, and true snipers still remain in the shadows. Is it so?

To begin with, we note that some of the domestic media, taking up the search for firing positions of snipers, showed surprising incompetence. For example, on one of the TV channels, they showed how a journalist, having climbed onto the roof of the Ukrainian house, allegedly found the sniper's “bed”, and cartridges from the Kalashnikov assault rifle and SKS (Simonov self-loading karabiner) in a meter or two and a half meters from it.

What can be said about this? A professional sniper equips ammunition at home, and completing the assignment does not leave them at the crime scene. Of course, he could be frightened, and he instantly withdrew from the point. But in this case, where the linerSo, he collected them, and left the cartridges for all to see? The journalist pointed to bipod tracks left on the roof rails. However, not a single shooter will do this, since there can be no question of any accuracy, because weapon will slide on the support (and in the program talked about getting into the heart and head of the victims). The sniper usually either lies or sits, but from the viewers' place of “bed” he could not reach the cartridges, there are no people in the world with such long arms.

Now let's talk about the SCS. By the way, and. about. Prosecutor General Oleg Makhnitsky said that the GPU was investigating a criminal case over the death of 76 people on the Maidan and it was established that employees of the "Berkut" who had the authority to use automatic weapons and sniper rifles "worked" for the rally. According to him, they fired aimed fire precisely from the structured cable network from the building of the Ukraine Hotel.

The fact is that this carbine is pretty outdated and has not been used in the army for a long time.

According to our expert, these weapons were developed at the same time as the famous Kalashnikov assault rifle, but were mainly used during parades. The cartridge for this barrel was much weaker than that of the SVD (Dragunov sniper rifle), and already at the 300-meter distance it was difficult to hit a person. That is why this carbine was not released for snipers, and after 1991, they began to convert it into a hunting weapon, which can be bought in any shop today. By the way, it is supplied to Canada mainly from Ukraine.

If we talk about purely sniper rifles, then most often they are single-shot rather than automatic, since the mechanics of the return and ejection of the shells greatly affect the accuracy of shooting. Since the "Golden Eagle" was armed only with regular guns, the soldiers could not use the SCS.

I want to share my own observations. I have often been to the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and I have never seen the SCS snipers. By the way, in private conversations, they argued that the best foreign rifles, which they use.

So it is unlikely that SCS could be applied on the roof of the Ukrainian house. Attracts attention and the fact that the carbine shoots loudly, and the witnesses on the Maidan, and those who watched the video posted on the Internet, unequivocally claim dry and short shots like blow of the whip.

Now let's talk more about bullets, because this is one of the indisputable physical evidence. It is appropriate to recall here that Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet, during a conversation with EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Catherine Ashton, stated that “according to all available evidence, people who were killed by snipers from both sides, among policemen and people from the street, there were the same snipers who kill people on both sides. ” And at the same time he referred to certain photographs and the opinion of doctors who spoke about the same style of shooting and the type of bullets.

What were these photos? Probably, they were depicted with bullets extracted from the bodies of both the Berkut people and the protesters, and they turned out to be identical. Few people know that the bullets under the Kalashnikov assault rifle, the SKS and SVD rifles are significantly different from those of the NATO model. The most significant difference is that the former have a rim for crimping in the sleeve, while the latter have none. The fact is that with automatic or semi-automatic shooting it is very important that there are no seizures. Crimping a bullet in a sleeve tightly fixes it and does not allow you to get up tricks. But NATO bullets do not have this, since they already sit tightly into it.


Comparative characteristics of Soviet (left) and NATO ammunition


However, the presence of the same bullets in the bodies of the dead policemen and protesters does not give an answer to the sacramental question: “Who fired the shots? Where did the snipers come from? ”

The head of the Security Service of Ukraine, Valentin Nalyvaychenko, said that people on Independence were killed on the orders of former leaders - Yakimenko (SBU) and Zakharchenko (Ministry of Internal Affairs). One group of "Alpha" worked from the roof of the house on the street. Khreshchatyk, 7 / 11, and the second - from the building on the street. Kostelnoy, 6. They were armed with Blizer rifles. February 20 the same groups were involved near the Presidential Administration.

In this sense, the words of Mr. Nalyvaichenko regarding “Blyser” are more credible. For example, the German sniper rifle Blaser R93 Tactical-2 are armed with special forces of Germany, Australia, Iceland, Malaysia, Slovenia and Ukraine. It is easily disassembled into the main units for transportation and has an 1700 sighting range of m. In the conditions of the center of Kiev, when the range of fire from various objects exceeded 500 m, the best weapon is not found, Moreover, interchangeable barrels allow the use of ammunition of different power. By the way, such or any other sniper rifle could well be in the case of the Right Sector fighter during the evacuation from the Dnepr Hotel. I'm not talking about the video clip, which clearly shows how Sergey Pashinsky, a people's deputy, takes a sniper rifle with a silencer in the trunk of a car.

However, distrust is caused by addresses of houses from which, according to Valentin Nalyvaychenko, firing was conducted. From the roof of the five-story building on Kostelnaya, 6 is not visible Institutskaya. Maidan and st. Grushevskogo with her also not visible. And from the roof of the house on Khreshchatyk, 7 / 11 shoot the people in the lower part of the Institute, where the most were dead, interfere with the October Palace and the bridge. Yes, and little hard to believe that the staff of "Alpha" with weapons or trunks in their hands could penetrate into the building in full view of the Maidan.

One can only hope that this issue will become clearer after the investigative and ballistic examinations, including the bullets that killed the protesters, are made. After which it will be easy to check from which weapons they were shot at. Indeed, in the sleeve of the SBU should be stored data on all trunks issued by employees.

There are many opinions and versions, but how to get to the truth? For example, former head of the SBU Alexander Yakimenko, whom our security officials declared to be one of those who gave orders, said that shot from the building of the conservatory, which was controlled by the commandant of the Maidan, Andrei Paruby. Allegedly 20 February militants fired from sniper rifles and machine guns at the Interior Ministry, who had to retreat. According to Yakimenko, an 20 man later came out of the building with his carrying cases for carrying sniper rifles and AKM assault rifles with optical sights. After “Right Sector” and “Freedom” appealed to Mr. Yakimenko for help, the security forces could have eliminated the snipers, but Parubiy did not give consent. To the question about the personalities of the snipers, Mr. Yakimenko answered: whether they were dismissed representatives of the Special Forces of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Defense, or mercenaries from other countries.


What makes the "Right Sector" from the hotel "Dnepr"?


Responded and Vitaly Zakharchenkowhich stated:

At all the events "Berkut" went without a combat service weapon. 18 and February 19 86 police officers were shot and wounded. 14 of them were killed. On the morning of February 20 opened aimed fire at police officers standing on Institutskaya and in the area of ​​the House of Trade Unions, - He said in an interview with Russian television. - And people in black uniform with yellow armbands have nothing to do with the special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Readers may well say that it is easy to give comments while sitting in Moscow, and they will be right. But on the other hand, the one who carefully listened to the audio record of the MVD snipers on the Internet, and he himself can conclude that they did not intend to kill anyone, but only tried to track down who shoots at people.

According to a wounded 18 in February in Kiev of Vsevolod Orlov, an employee of the Crimean "Golden Eagle", his colleague Andrei Fedyukin was shot in the heart with a bullet of NATO standard 5,56 mm. And they could only shoot from above - from the House of Trade Unions. And according to him, Berkutovites had only traumatics and “special means prescribed by law”.

Incidentally, the fact that the protesters were shot at the protesters from the building of the conservatory was also confirmed by Sergey Asavelyuk, the head of the department for the coordination of special missions of the Directorate of Combat and Special Training who, according to media reports, allegedly commanded the snipers on the Maidan. He himself claims that February 20 was not at Institutskaya, and got to the city center around 12 hours. According to him, "information about the "third force" is not unreasonable, this force probably was ". As for the snipers with yellow armbands, then, according to him, the video clearly shows that they “fired not at unarmed people, but at militants. The unarmed people who were there could walk freely, and nothing happened to them. ”

The fact that there are many versions of the tragedy is not surprising. The question of why the fighters of “Berkut” and “Alpha”, knowing that sooner or later the investigation will come to them, nevertheless did not leave the territory of the country, leave behind the brackets: for example, the security officials say, they were sure that no one ever get to the truth. It is hard to believe, but in the absence of a better version, we’ll dwell on this one, especially since, according to the leadership of the security forces, most of them are still under investigation.

They are surprised and suspicious by the statements of the security officials that the detainees allegedly admitted their guilt. 2000 has been written hundreds of times about how we are able to “get” confessions. And if all the evidence in the future court will be based only on this, then they will be worthless.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2014 15: 26
    +13
    The cartridge for this barrel was much weaker than that of the SVD (Degtyarev sniper rifle), and already at a 300-meter distance it was problematic to hit a person
    Here is a saying FULL NUCLEAR ...
    Snipers No One Has Seen
    Yes, the fact of the matter is that they saw them, and even partially "worked" on them, which confirms the radio exchange of anti-sniper groups of the police and the SBU ...
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko April 14 2014 15: 54
      +16
      Quote: svp67
      confirms radio

      It confirms much more:
      One of the important details that the film crew saw with their own eyes in the center of Kiev is the cut trees. Just alive, not broken, not burnt out. Only rhizomes remained of them. And these are the very trees that were or could have been hit by sniper bullets during the shooting at demonstrators and Berkut employees in February. And it is these barrels that are clear evidence by which experts could determine where they were shooting from on Institutskaya Street.
      Everything else is hay straw.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky April 14 2014 16: 02
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      Here is a saying FULL NUCLEAR ...

      There is a difference due to the cartridge. In SCS, 7,62x39 is used (Energy of a bullet, J: 1991-2206), in SVD 7,62X54 .. (Energy of a bullet, J: = 3300-3700) And also due to the difference in the masses of the bullet and the powder charge. (Respectively 1,6 - 1,8 grams of powder charge in the first case, and 2,1-3,4 grams for the cartridge 7,62x54) But this does not matter, the shooters themselves are important and if they are still alive it is better not to find witnesses . Sergei, hi !
      1. Kurkin
        Kurkin April 14 2014 18: 06
        +7
        The cartridge for this barrel was much weaker than that of the SVD (Degtyarev sniper rifle), and already at a 300-meter distance it was problematic to hit a man. This statement is FULL NUCLEAR ...
        in the SVD 7,62X54 ..
        SVD, as we know, is named after the designer, and the designer was Dragunov and not Degtyarev. This is nonsense. Either a typo, or such an expert.
    3. ural70
      ural70 April 14 2014 18: 13
      +5
      SVD - Degtyarev sniper rifle - this is something new .... And I didn’t meet AKSU with a caliber of 7,62 either
      1. olegkrava
        olegkrava April 15 2014 00: 33
        0
        Tell me more characteristics, why the heck is it necessary here. Here is the question of who shot. And we hear verbal diarrhea constantly.
    4. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 April 14 2014 19: 38
      0
      Bullshit? I drove and the olive tree was caught. Everything is not as it seems. Trusy-otpad. After the first claws are torn. And they wanted to spit on the "brothers".
  2. bender8282
    bender8282 April 14 2014 15: 29
    +5
    given their training, most likely they were neo-Nazi
    1. SS68SS
      SS68SS April 14 2014 16: 41
      +2
      Neo-Nazis organized all this. And the performers were simply paid for each killed ....
    2. The comment was deleted.
  3. svetlomor
    svetlomor April 14 2014 15: 30
    +13
    than the SVD (Degtyarev sniper rifle)
    I always thought that Dragunova. But snipers whoever they were are unlikely to be found.
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 April 14 2014 15: 42
      +20
      Quote: svetlomor
      I always thought that Dragunova.

      It just speaks of the level of training and competence of journalists. Already on 300 m. To get from the SCS - this is generally without problems, the accuracy of the SCS is higher than that of the AK. On the one hand, the article is correct in essence, on the other, it is completely incompetent written.
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 April 14 2014 15: 54
      +6
      Quote: svetlomor
      But snipers whoever they are are unlikely to find


      Performers are most likely not inflated, but customers. I think that here Parubiy can tell something ... in court ... if he survives.
      1. jjj
        jjj April 14 2014 17: 00
        +1
        By the way, in the picture where the right sector is being evacuated with cases in the background is a bald man. He was indicated in one TV report as Parubia
      2. polite people
        polite people April 14 2014 20: 01
        +1
        They are all famous. To one.
        soldier
    3. svp67
      svp67 April 14 2014 15: 56
      +3
      Quote: svetlomor
      I always thought that Dragunova

      Well, what do you say - an expert, in a word ... Either he calls the SCS with a rifle, then he forgets about Dragunov ...
      Quote: svetlomor
      But snipers whoever they were are unlikely to be found.

      Let's hope that they do not escape a fair trial ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 14 2014 16: 06
        +6
        Look here from 2 minutes ... maybe we will discuss their actions soon ...

    4. Lelek
      Lelek April 14 2014 18: 07
      +2
      They won’t just search. It's like stepping on a causal place and bouncing. bully
    5. zennon
      zennon April 14 2014 18: 19
      +2
      Dragunov Evgeny Fedorovich. My mother's brother knew him. He buried him right before the "putsch" in August 91 ...
  4. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 14 2014 15: 34
    +6
    winked A well-considered article, but everything, it seems to me, the train has left. Someone really wants to cover up these events and note the traces with new high-profile killings. The CIA acts like a tracing-paper, it’s never fired up, it’s called. Probably sober up, if these idiots in the Rada and in the Cabinet shoot like dogs. Farion, Tymoshenko, Avakov, Parubiy, Nalyvaichenko, and a dozen more names, straight off the bat, without any ceremony, a bullet in the forehead and the next. soldier
  5. andj61
    andj61 April 14 2014 15: 40
    +2
    It’s clear that the matter is dark. And someone from the leadership of the Euro-Maidans is probably involved.
  6. ronin
    ronin April 14 2014 15: 40
    +2
    According to our expert, this weapon was developed at the same time as the famous Kalashnikov assault rifle, but was used mainly during parades. The cartridge for this barrel was much weaker than that of the SVD (Degtyarev sniper rifle), and already at a 300-meter distance it was problematic to hit a person.

    Strange ... A very interesting expert. With fundamental knowledge and vast practical experience. If you put acceptable optics on the SCS, then you can work at 500 meters. And without much preparation.
    And such experts in the pop am
    1. Sigizbarn
      Sigizbarn April 14 2014 17: 56
      0
      The author may have downplayed a little, but given that we are talking about shooting in a city where there are a lot of swirling air currents, I think that the displacement of the trajectory 7.62x39 at a distance above 300 meters will be significant and it will be very difficult to get into the heart.
      Although, as well as Blazer from 7.62x51 to 1700 meters, it’s overkill.
  7. Keeper
    Keeper April 14 2014 15: 42
    +3
    Nobody saw anyone, and the priest is in shells so much that our "partners" of the EU are fucking crazy about the mess of reality in the telephone conversations that the "Turchinovs and Companions" have brewed!
    I think that the very fact of "double standards" may change dramatically this year!
    Such garbage happens with knives made of non-barreled steel - they get dull quickly, bend ... And here it is - how they use condoms and merge them at the first opportunity! Do they all not realize their place in History ?!
  8. mamont5
    mamont5 April 14 2014 15: 47
    +4
    "Few people know that bullets for a Kalashnikov assault rifle, SKS and SVD rifles differ significantly from their counterparts of the NATO model."
    Why? Actually, that goes without saying.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik April 14 2014 15: 48
    +11
    What makes the "Right Sector" from the hotel "Dnepr"?... Of course, musical instruments, the Maidan itself was conceived and took place as a festive event: the girls and boys sang songs, danced in circles, jumped over bonfires from burning tires, the girls weaved wreaths of snowdrops, the boys with open, kind faces, threw them, in the militiamen of the special forces "Berkut" who were standing not far away ... how they got in on the holiday is not clear .. So in the hands of "Right Sector" musical instruments, look at these kind, intelligent faces .. in carnival masks ..
  10. mountain
    mountain April 14 2014 15: 48
    +4
    Sooner or later, the birds will sing and the world will know how things were in the case, there are so many witnesses and participants. And among them there are already offended.
  11. askort154
    askort154 April 14 2014 15: 50
    +1
    This will remain a mystery to the people. The work is done, the goal is achieved - the political mechanism of sacred victims worked out to the fullest. The world was hung up with noodles, which has already become history. Question: who shot? Who does he care about now? Revolutionaries? “No, they know that!” People? - And the people will never know, and gradually forget.
  12. Bobxnumx
    Bobxnumx April 14 2014 15: 59
    +1
    There is something to think about, only, as it seems to me, "the train left for a long time." It is clear that there were snipers, but in the best case they are already very far away, and in the worst case - they were "issued a ticket to where they are not returning."
  13. konvalval
    konvalval April 14 2014 16: 01
    +3
    And who is sure that professional snipers worked there? Our specialists from our "Alpha" just asserted the opposite.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 14 2014 17: 03
      +2
      At a distance of up to 500 meters from a long barrel and with optics shot any more or less able to handle weapons will fall into a growth figure
  14. erased
    erased April 14 2014 16: 04
    +6
    The author is confusing something. The bullet of the cartridge 7,62x39, released from the SCS, flies 3600 meters. The aiming range of the SCS is 1000 meters. Effective fire range - up to 500 meters. The same cartridges are used in AK -47 (AKM).
    So you can work with SCS at 500 meters, especially with optics. Another thing is that SCS is unlikely to be used in Kiev, something more powerful worked there, under the cartridge 7,62x51 (NATO) or 7,62x54 (USSR).
    I will not say for the firing positions of snipers, I myself have not been there, but that the handwriting everywhere alone is clear and true.

    Question to the expert whose SCS in tuning is shown here.
    1. What is the range of targeted shooting with hunting cartridges from SKS?
    2. DPA by growth figure?
    3. The multiplicity of optics (most commonly used)?
    4. Ease of use in different areas (carrying, offhand shooting)?
    Thanks for the possible answer.
    1. jjj
      jjj April 14 2014 17: 05
      +1
      The carbine in the photo, by the way, looks impressive. From childhood Simonov did not steal
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 14 2014 22: 03
        +2
        Quote: jjj
        The carbine in the photo, by the way, looks impressive. From childhood Simonov did not steal


        issue price:
        TAPCO STK66169 kit for SCS $ 195
        Bipod for Weapons Leapers UTG TL-BP08ST Low-Profile Steel Foot Clamp-on Barrel Bipod $ 25.99
        detachable store SKS TAPCO (MAG6610) SKS 10rd Detachable Magazine $ 23.99
        TAPCO (MAG6620) SKS 20 ound Magazine - Black $ 16.99
        optics with an adapter - to taste and color (well, to the thickness of the wallet)
        alteration of about 200 Baku was two years ago, how much time, I don’t know.
        Although the people are even so mocked ...
        Colt M4A1 SOPMOD M4. from SCS
  15. Horst78
    Horst78 April 14 2014 16: 04
    +4
    SVD (Degtyarev sniper rifle)
    After that I stopped reading. Auto RU "-" negative
    1. nikcris
      nikcris April 14 2014 16: 18
      0
      And what? But kaGebichno - patriotic.
      And so - furious idiots. Hello to you, I did not notice that Degtyarev developed sniper rifles.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 April 14 2014 16: 44
        0
        Hi to you too hi
  16. their
    their April 14 2014 16: 05
    +7
    What problems find out who did this? Steal Pashinsky and find out who does not say - the next Parubiy and so on. They are at war, so now walk in circles.

    In 1993, the GKChP also did not catch snipers, although the network is full of information that they were "Beitar". And you know, judging by who runs the Maidan today, I believe in this version. Kolomoisky is in command of the Bandera Right Sector, with Israeli citizenship in hand, which Israel does not cancel in case he escapes. Everyone in Israel knows very well about this that their citizen (and more than one) is rampaging in Ukraine and turns a blind eye to it.

    Israel is playing a dirty game against Russia in Syria and Ukraine. I am amazed at the hypocrisy of this state, they want tourists from Russia, business in Russia is oil, grain too. But at the same time, their citizens are involved in dirty scenarios against Russia, and they do not punish them for this.

    Can someone explain why Israel is so afraid?
  17. Lyton
    Lyton April 14 2014 16: 06
    +5
    C'mon, the journalist made a mistake with Degtyarev, Dragunov was a civilian, but the essence of the article is clear, it’s not even surprising that the banderlogs will personally represent the villains, they won’t even get confessions, they’ll just agree on grandmas, the circus goes on tour and the trainers floor in the SBU occupy.
  18. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich April 14 2014 16: 10
    +5
    More questions than answers! The bullets themselves, extracted from the victims, were not presented! Neither type nor caliber is known. In addition to vague words, about the same bullets extracted from the bodies of the Berkutovtsev and Maidan, no more words. What kind of objectivity and investigation can we talk about?
    In short, there is only one dregs ... Traces of the crime are destroyed, the perpetrators are appointed! Farce!
  19. nikcris
    nikcris April 14 2014 16: 15
    +7
    "people in black uniforms with yellow armbands have nothing to do with the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs."

    Here's an ambush. I saw a video on UT. Chel accompanied an ambulance from the Maidan and filmed a registrar. When leaving at a crossroads, I got stuck in traffic. The ambulance turned right, and two black minibuses immediately rolled up. Of them fell chelas in black with yellow armbands. The second bus left the sliding door open. A regular cop approached the minivan and CLOSED the door. Tell me that the cops shut the doors of all the cars from which the crowd with Kalash dumps. belay
  20. Svetovod
    Svetovod April 14 2014 16: 24
    +7
    As for the bullets, it is unlikely that 7.62x39 even the BB can sew the flap + body so confidently. Obviously, this is a bullet of a full-fledged rifle cartridge (not an "intermediate" one). Then the version with the SKS is a bit strange - the caliber is suitable and widespread, but the combined arms has long been 5.45x39. An AK-74 with an SPO would be fine. But no, someone needed exactly 7.62, similar to NATO's 7.62x51.

    This whole story was STOMPY through the Hollywood work of foreign writers. And dumb. Who believe that the people around are also dumb, and everyone will be glad of any abandoned version.

    1 - traces of rifling fields "tell" from which barrel the bullet was fired. Therefore, their "no" and does not even smell like a hint.
    2 - why on the spot where the sniper was lying was not found a "Mosin rifle", a pack of Belomor, a vest, a hat with earflaps, and an officer's passport "Berkut"? -That's what torments me. They could have scribbled "HERE WAS A Berkut" or "Glory to Russia" on the bullet.
  21. Petrik66
    Petrik66 April 14 2014 16: 31
    +3
    - “Berkut” went to all events without a service weapon. On February 18 and 19, 86 employees of the internal affairs bodies received gunshot wounds. 14 of them were killed. On the morning of February 20, they opened targeted fire at the police officers who were standing on Institutskaya Street and in the area of ​​the House of Trade Unions, he said in an interview with Russian television. - And people in black uniforms with yellow armbands have nothing to do with the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. "

    The counterterrorism special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine “Omega” that day had silver sleeves on one side of the sleeve, closer to the shoulder, with rectangular reflective stripes, and bright yellow on the other.
    About SCS - learn materiel.
    Regarding lying and other "sniper" specifics: firstly, this takes place when secrecy is needed to prevent retaliation - evil guys will come running and take you for forced interrogation in a secluded place, where in three to five minutes you will tell where the partisans are and who sent you.
    Here, people fired as if in a shooting gallery, more than once or twice, which means - confidence that the uncles will not come running. They were simply covered, and with high quality.
    The idea that the barrels illuminated in the shooting and the people who shot them were in the building for several more days?
    But the idea of ​​the Israelis that this is the style of the 90s and that no one has been shooting like this for a long time.
  22. Little Muck
    Little Muck April 14 2014 16: 54
    0
    Better SVD.
    And the author could just as well name Derbenev with the letter "D" (also on hearing).
    And they won’t look for anyone, whether they cut down trees for nothing?
  23. Giant thought
    Giant thought April 14 2014 16: 55
    +1
    The provocation is done. The tracks were covered as best they could. “Berkut” was appointed guilty. Now they dance on bones. Bandera, Satanist offspring.
  24. 51064
    51064 April 14 2014 17: 11
    +4
    Quote: erased

    ... whose SCS in tuning is shown here.
    1. What is the range of targeted shooting with hunting cartridges from SKS?
    2. DPA by growth figure?
    3. The multiplicity of optics (most commonly used)?
    4. Ease of use in different areas (carrying, offhand shooting)?
    Thanks for the possible answer.

    SCS in tuning a commercial company from the USA. This is not a military - civilian weapon, simply tuned,
    it is legal and affordable.
    1. Cartridges for hunting (half-shell) in the war do not shoot at people. In addition, accuracy is worse
    conventional shell.
    2. A carbine in normal condition will lay 4-5 shots at a distance of 500 meters in a circle with a diameter of 75 cm. But this is in the complete absence of wind and ammunition with normal accuracy. Direct shot range - 365m on the chest figure.
    3. Optics - from about 3 to 6 times, well, maybe 8.
    4. No inconvenience.
    She doesn’t pull on a sniper rifle, only I didn’t write an article and I have nothing to do with it.
    1. erased
      erased April 14 2014 17: 47
      0
      Thank you According to SCS, it’s clear that I just wanted to buy the same trunk at first. And I know where they’re tuning like that, they’re just making the store detachable. 300 meters is quite normal. And so somewhere around 200 is quite a working distance.
      That someone else's article understood the meaning, is not a big problem.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 14 2014 21: 46
        0
        Quote: erased
        300 meters is quite normal. And so somewhere around 200 is quite a working distance.

        a bit wrong, 450 meters is the limit, the aiming range is up to 300 meters (depending on the cartridge manufacturer), it’s in the same safe box (as in the first photo, only the store is detachable and the optics are different), when the district police officer saw for the first time, he asked what it is...
  25. Sledgehammer
    Sledgehammer April 14 2014 17: 45
    +1
    The article is good, with the exception of some inaccuracies, so +.
    I agree SCS not suitable like a sniper at distances of more than 300 m.
    Snipers were in no hurry, they worked quietly, they removed everything after themselves.
    If shot according to instructions from the depths of the room and with a glushak
    then the probability of finding them is not great, the more they
    crossfire. They were very knowledgeable, info rather
    all merged high. officer (s) of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, one (s) of those who switched to
    side of the junta.

    The mistake of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is that it did not "close" the zone from possible provocations,
    because there were alarming calls, although perhaps they did it on purpose,
    in order to substitute "Berkut".
  26. de_monSher
    de_monSher April 14 2014 18: 38
    +3
    weaker than the SVD (Degtyarev sniper rifle)


    Since when has the good old "Dragunov" turned into the mysterious "Dyagterev rifle"?
  27. siberalt
    siberalt April 14 2014 20: 20
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    Guys, anyone, even a little bit of a specialist, perfectly understands all this stuff about the "trash in the story with snipers. There were - a fact. Whose? Look for who benefits, who sold, who bought. A chain, the proof of which simply does not exist. I am not an amateur , but I liked the forum - except for the screamers about nothing - and everything is in the norm of understanding. But the "PM" comes pi "Ndos warnings in English. It's good that I know him from school laughing as with German.
    About snipers? It's like the "idea" of the film and the director. The idea is the same, but the directors are Mikhalkov and Bondarchuk. Bortko clearly did not appear, as did not the creator of the "Island". But it will show up soon. I think that is closer to popular concepts. Yes, however, this is not the point, but in their earnings from whom and how much to express their vision. The more - the more they will see! One dollar is one kilometer. What is the bazaar about? We will see something else. The idea of ​​using snipers, long worked out by the CIA. And who the performers are is not important. For now, the teacher is overwhelmed.
    Russia does not surrender Russian.
    And this is a generic curse for a Western loan. That then our liberals began to fuss. Not the essence in the Russian Federation, but the essence in Russian, if anyone does not understand. Who is with us - that is the fate of the extinction of the tribe.
  28. Barakuda
    Barakuda April 14 2014 20: 23
    +1
    Guys, stop arguing, Dragunov-Simonov .. From the SVD I get into the sleeve for 500 meters. Pancryotic sight is needed, we have few of them. And Simonov’s carbine is power! it is not even necessary to lubricate it in the taiga during frosts. works for 5.
  29. sv68
    sv68 April 14 2014 20: 34
    0
    in short, all this lyrics, the golden eagle was made extreme and the true truth will not be told once and not to anyone in the world
  30. 51064
    51064 April 14 2014 22: 16
    0
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    And I know where they’re tuning like that, they’re just making the store detachable. 300 meters is quite normal. And so somewhere around 200 is quite a working distance.

    Yes, yes, that's right, but for a fairly large purpose. It fully justifies its money (in the USA you can buy from 100 bucks), cheap cartridges, though the barrel doesn’t have a barrel trunk - it doesn’t play a new or used role (((I would put an additional muzzle brake on the SCS - less barrel will lead, which in combination modified for automatic fire and the installation of magazine rounds of 60 rounds, if necessary, the SCS is almost a machine gun. In some countries, the latter can be done legally. The cartridge is weak, it’s not suitable for hunting,
    and realizing the advantages of automatic or semi-automatic fire is far from the fact that it will work out in each specific situation, especially when you consider that there are barrels with "glitches" - until you shoot it is not clear, even if you measure yourself with calibers. By the way, I saw videos from the extreme Maidan (that is, not the last, apparently). There were fighters with both the SVD and the "Blazer", which is mentioned in the article. I can comment if there is interest in terms of what kind of weapon, what are the advantages, disadvantages, etc. Only one thing is obvious - more than a hundred people were killed, and the Kiev authorities are not going to investigate as expected, everything is "fucked up", they blamed those who benefit from those in power, who are illegitimate and came to power by criminal means, if you follow the letter and spirit of the law.