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Sore and anxietyEditorial "Military Review".


Hello! I hope that my present message will reach its destination. The reason for contacting you was the desire to respond to the article "A friend is learned in battle. Who are from the republics of the former USSR and why did he support Russia in the Crimean issue?". In its life example, in the form of an appeal sent to the esteemed Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Also my" evil "article, sent to the editors of Radio Liberty.

I hope that my publications under the general title "Soreness and Alarm", incl. G. sent to Zyuganov and Moscow Region Governor Vorobyov A. will benefit our friendship, for the sake of future descendants.

Yours, Kamalkhan Khamitovich Khabiyev.


I enclose my appeal to the President of the Russian Federation, the highly respected Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, and to the Governor of the Moscow Region, Andrey Yuryevich Vorobyov. 31.03.2014

Hello, dear Andrey Yuryevich! Your region is close to the descendants of the battery commander of three anti-tank guns (1941 defended Moscow in November-December (in 100 km between Naro-Fominsk and Moscow). This is my father, our grandfather and great-grandfather - Zhanabayev Khamit Habievich. Please support or at least answer.

I believe that we all (regardless of nationalities) want to live in a more equitable state. We all want our children, grandchildren and descendants of a happy life and to be confident that the state will provide them with this perspective in a great many manifestations of life. We do not want the rampant poverty of the rural population, the health of citizens. We do not want 90% RK wealth to be owned by 105 people! We do not want the misfortunes of Ukraine to come to Kazakhstan (we are next in line with the United States). We do not want prospects to be under China. We do not want fraternal states to be taken from Russia one by one. We do not want the destruction of Russian statehood and leaving it alone. Russians and understanding Kazakhs (especially northern Kazakhs!) Should be united in achieving a confident look at the prospect of a peaceful, just, and happy life. We need to think about the best proportion of our descendants. Only with Russia will we be (as a state) safe from the present greedy world with the face of the American bourgeois in its crappy hat. Otherwise, they or China will swallow Kazakhstan in 5 seconds. The rest is in my address to President Putin V.V. I will be glad to know your opinion. I enclose the text of my appeal to the dear Putin V.V.

Best wishes to you! My appeal was delivered to the Kremlin on purpose and registered in person at the reception office of the President of the Russian Federation under the number 286685 from 04.03.2014, Khabiev Kamalkhan Khamitovich. 31.03.2014

Appeal:
To the President of the Russian Federation
Putin, Vladimir Vladimirovich.


Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!

Could you, the presidents of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan, be the initiators and we, the citizens, to contribute to the commission of actions so that the Russians and the Kazakhs lived in the same country, in the same state !?

The Great Russian Federation and your friend and brother are the Republic of Kazakhstan. I responsibly declare, declare and I will declare (I am 100% by blood Kazakh) - I have two equivalent motherlands: Kazakhstan and Russia! I am a man with a heart: an equal half is filled with Russia, the other with Kazakhstan! What to do with Kazakhs like me? And those in Kazakhstan - hundreds and hundreds of thousands! How could the last leader of the greatest country - the USSR - so foolishly lose for our fathers, warriors, winners of the Great Patriotic War, for us, our children and grandchildren, and the descendants of our Great Homeland ?!

1 argument. The greatest generation of my grandchildren's great-grandfathers, participants of the Great Patriotic War with eternal admiration for them and their memory.

My father defended to death our capital - Moscow. Didn’t he soak his blood near the Moscow region, becoming a disabled person of World War II? Panfilov Division, formed in Almaty. My father (a student of the 3rd year journalism faculty of the Kazakh State University in Alma-Ata in 1941) went to defend his capital, Moscow, previously sent to a 3-month training course for the commander of an anti-tank artillery battery. He stood in tank-dangerous directions with a battery commander of three anti-tank guns (trained in artillery) at the approaches to Moscow as early as November-December 1941, 100 km (between Naro-Fominsk and Moscow). Openly standing cannons on display and covered only with spruce branches, and behind them - punitive calculation that controls their actions (with the Maxim machine gun). On the contrary - a bunch tanks. Didn’t two people die in the eyes of my father and his subordinates - artillerymen of different nationalities? One - the fascist armored vehicles rushing towards Moscow with machine gunners, and the other - the Stalinist punitive machine gun? On the one hand, 100% death from tanks and self-propelled guns against the openly standing unfortunate three guns, and on the other, 100% death from the Stalinist machine gun. If you could not stand it and moved away from the guns to a distance of 30-40 meters - punitive destruction of your own began. Difference: 100% to 100%, the risk is not to survive. And these are young people.

The memory of their heroic and life-sparing actions during the war years has been hammered into the minds and hearts of their sons and daughters, who already have grandchildren and great-grandchildren with a sledgehammer. This is the first trump card of our association. We are their descendants. I am proud that I am his son, related to the children of Victory (born in 1945-46). My father, defending the near Moscow region and Moscow, miraculously survived, being wounded, including with a contused explosion of a fascist projectile near his cannon and deaf and dumb and with brain injuries who had been staying for more than half a year.

First of all, in the name of his memory and colleagues, I urge you, dear Vladimir Vladimirovich with Nursultan Abishevich, to unite our countries. Wouldn't it be bad for us if we were able to lead a united country, the Great Union of Republics? In this area, I have a dream - to show (in the summer of 2015 of the year, the year of the 70 anniversary of the Great Victory) to the grandson of his great-grandfather's military roads (Naro-Fominsk, memorable defense sites of the Moscow region and Moscow). It would be an educational action, with a memory of a lifetime for him !! Given that I’m already 68 years old, can I hope that I will be assisted in this?

2 argument. Generation born in the forties (children of the greatest generation of war veterans).

From one year old I was brought up by a native Leningrad woman, Olga Petrovna. Her husband was sentenced to death in Stalin-Beria times, and she was exiled to Kazakhstan. She was at the “26 point” in ALZHIR (Akmola camp of the wives of traitors). This is (village “Malinovka”) in 26 km from my city Akmola (later Tselinograd and now Astana). Later - became my favorite grandmother. My parents are from dark to dark at work. And she is a radical Leningrad woman for many generations, she was my grandmother and lived in respect of my parents - in a family of Kazakhs. Mother - a teacher at school, father - at the Soviet work, in the district executive committee. It was Olga Petrovna who instilled in me a love for Russian classical literature, art in general, and especially for the values ​​of the Russian people, its stories, including both of its capitals, incl. to Leningrad.

The time has come when I got to 8 middle school class. And fortunately for us, the former associate professor of Leningrad University Nadezhda Ivanovna began to teach mathematics from 8 to 11 classes. The reason for her falling into the mountains. Akmolinsk was similar grandmother Ole. Shooting a spouse, a reference to the very ALGERIA. When she was allowed to teach (after serving the term) at school, she and we (her students) were happy. The result - medals at the end of the school. Result: both I and my classmates arrived on their own (completely without the participation of adults) in Moscow. Easily, effortlessly entered the best universities of the country. Accordingly, in the Moscow Technical University named. Bauman, MAI and the Moscow Financial Institute. True, I then graduated from MITHT them. Lomonosov. Peter went to friends a month 2-3 times, losing only night on the road. Combined pre-diploma 4-month practice with the work of the 6-level apparatus at the Leningrad factory "Farmakon", located in the metro area "Electrosila".

We helped our parents (invalids and participants of the Great Patriotic War), removing from them the burden of our financial support. This is where we have a student fraternity who worked in the holidays as train carriages in passenger trains and construction teams during the summer holidays. For example, I worked one summer in a construction team (building a huge calf house in the village of Sharapovo in the Chekhov district of the Moscow region). 3 of the summer I was a conductor of a train car at the Yaroslavl station, prokolesil from Vladivostok with Khabarovsk and Labytnangi, with Vorkuta and Arkhangelsk. From the village. Red in Moldova and to Almaty and Tselinograd. Military training - all summer in a military unit, in 40 km from Kaliningrad Oblast. That's when I had a great homeland! I had a scholarship - 45 rubles, and a home ticket for the plane Moscow - Tselinograd cost 21 rubles plus 30 kopecks - a fee for a preliminary fee and for all 6 years the price did not increase a penny.

I am grateful to Moscow - my capital (in my best period of my life - youth and students), my teachers, friends, schoolmates, my first love! I thank the Almighty for the fact that my students passed in Russia, in Moscow. My father said: go to study in Moscow. After graduating from the institute, you will immediately receive an 2 diploma. One is about higher education, the second is life (cultural, broad-minded, etc.). And it turned out to be true. I saw 03.07.1965 in Luzhniki "alive" Pele and Garincu, Wava and Didi, Nielton and Dzhalmu Santos, Amarildo and Gilmar, Albert Sherstenev and Murtaza Hurtsilavu, Mikhail Meskhi and Slava Metreveli, Valeria Voronel, later Edward Grad Reza, Mikhail Meskhi and Slava Metreveli, later Edward Grade. Rooting for the Moscow Torpedo. Many times I saw the games of all our brilliant players of the sixties. Was at the farewell match of Lev Yashin. I also listened to and saw in Vysotsky's concerts then forbidden at that time. Speeches by Plisetskaya, Vasilyev and Immortal, a cohort of 60's most famous actors in many theaters in Moscow. Tickets cost from 80 kopecks to 1 rubles. 20 cents. Etc.

We, the students, including me, were in the semester periods of study both the caretakers, the porters, and the watchmen. Provided themselves. We managed to study well and well, as well as earn honest work. They themselves put on and shod, and decently helped their parents with money (for their younger sisters and little brothers). Easily (together - three of us), on 2-3 once a month for the weekend went to Leningrad. No gangs, neo-Nazism on the streets of Moscow and Leningrad. We had a beautiful and noble life on the streets. I remember, during one of the visits to Leningrad, during the festivities on the white nights in the dead of night, many young people chanted on the Palace Embankment the words: “How I love you, people !!!”

It never occurred to anyone to steal a glass from gazvoda machine guns or a telephone. Travel by tram - 3 cop., By trolley bus - 4 cop., 5 cop. - in the subway and buses.

After graduation from the university, I received in the Gagarinsky military registration and enlistment office of Moscow a military ID of a reserve officer, where it was written: "Lieutenant, commander of a chemical intelligence platoon." My given military card and diploma of a Moscow university are the most significant documents for me. I did not hand over to any military registration and enlistment office, despite the demands of his surrender and change to Kazakhstan. This is for me a great memory of my belonging to the Soviet Army of the greatest state of the USSR!

3 argument. Grandchildren of the greatest generation

Im now 35-50 years old. They wore october badges, pioneer ties. They were brought up from childhood in love of a single Motherland, the feat of their grandfathers, the labor success of their parents. In Soviet times, they were brought up with internationalism and devotion to the Motherland. That they were the most expensive and beloved grandchildren and granddaughters of that same greatest generation. It was they who were sitting on the lap of their beloved grandparents, and their relationship was mutual. It is known that this generation of 35-50 summer grandsons heard many times (hugging and kissing their grandparents) from their mouths about specific episodes of hostilities, about the heroic feats of the Soviet people, about their unity at the moment of defining their essence in front of a continuous chain of mortal danger . And this generation is proud that it was they who were and are the grandchildren and granddaughters of the greatest generation of participants in the Great Patriotic War. Now this generation is leading or approaching the leadership of many aspects of our economy and security. They are from the cradle brought up by the greatest generation of the values ​​of unity of love for a single Motherland, the feat of their grandfathers in wartime. I do not think that they so quickly forgot the direct lessons of the values ​​of the life of their beloved grandfathers and the lessons of their parents. As such, my wife and I raised our son and daughter.

4 argument. Great-grandchildren of the greatest generation

This is the current youth who grew up with capitalist values ​​and the modern giant leap of technology and the practical implementation of the mathematical theory of the curvature of space in our present life.
These are grandchildren and granddaughters of my generation. The time will come, and they will come to power ... Here I put dots: with anxiety, and excitement, and with the desire for it. They are intelligent and literate for all of this, but not experienced, and with them they did not conduct an educational program with them, the greatest generation did not give them life lessons, with rare exceptions.

Bottom line: I believe in our future together!

Only by combining the wealth of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan, professionally multiplying them and returning those lost values ​​to our minds, and adding them with modern true values ​​for the benefit of every beggar, suffering, mother and child, we will become the most prosperous and united country in the world for centuries. All for our citizen and in the name of our citizen!

We are people of the same mentality of love and devotion to our united Fatherland (Russia plus Kazakhstan, despite the difference in nationalities). We must and can become united in the fight against injustice, lies, betrayals of oath-breakers (who, in taking office, with their hand on the Constitution, swore purity and loyalty to the people), corrupt officials and billionaires. The latter are taxes, like in France, which are to be sent: half to the defense industry and the army, the other to children and mothers, and to housing for young families.

There is nothing to divide between Russians and Kazakhs. We must protect each other and pursue a common goal - the unification of our peoples into one state. Further, having united our riches (Kazakhstan is the ninth state in the world on its territory, in the depths of which there is everything), firmly and faithfully, and forever substituting our strong shoulders to each other, to march widely along the path to achieving the historically memorable, most happy and prosperous period of life. Russian and Kazakh peoples. In the name of our descendants, to be proud - direct descendants of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers, who managed to build such a prosperous society for them, to the white envy of all the peoples of the world. I believe that holy acts are pleasing to the Most High!

Let each of us, builders of such a life, constantly stand in memory and before the eyes of October-December 1941, the Leningrad blockade, the restoration of Stalingrad, the feat of the Soviet people and, in particular, the Panfilov division, and for me and my descendants - my father, defender of Moscow (“Not one step back, behind Moscow”), commander of a battery of three anti-tank guns, senior lieutenant Zhanabaev Khamit Khabievich.

I am sure that we will become worthy of the memory of his father, grandfather, great-grandfather, the representative of the greatest generation, the great friendship between the Russian and Kazakh peoples and the history of Naro-Fominsk!

Khabiev Kamalkhan Khamitovich, Honored Veteran of the Defense Industry of the USSR and the Republic of Kazakhstan, the mountains. Stepnogorsk, Republic of Kazakhstan.

To: Radio Liberty

Will your leadership and editorial staff have enough maturity, courage and honesty to publish this appeal? I doubt it. You know how to publish a lie. The field of their shameless actions of the United States and the West, even in people like me (relatively sympathetic), caused hatred. For you, all means are good! You want to weaken the Russian Federation and China. You want to ruin the world. You will not be able to do this. Calm down before it is too late! Create an atmosphere of spiritual and material prosperity with Russia and its brothers-states. Together, build with us truly (without ulterior motive) promising and effective relationships, for the sake of the present and future of your people, each of your citizens. Think of a nuclear-free perspective to your descendants.

If you want hegemony, you will receive war, unhappiness and destruction in response. We will destroy your ideology of unbridled greed. You do not know how to fight well, because you tremble too much for your warm life and your pleasures. And we are not! We will wash you away like a tsunami. Think and think again! You can never leave the RF in isolation. You can never leave the Russian Federation without fraternal states and people who love and sympathize with it all over the world. You will never be able to dismember the Russian Federation, turning it into ancient Russia. For this, your Satanist government leaders have both arms and legs that are short.

Take the path of friendship. You need to be friends with the strong, look for approaches to such friendship. Especially neighbors - Europe. You have the same territory with "Gulkin nose." Where to run in the event of a nuclear war? .. Do not put yourself under such risks for the most part innocent citizens. We fought the whole story. We are brave, fearless and, for a second, without hesitation, give up our lives for our Motherland, for the sake of the future of our descendants! We will act tough, as in November-December 1941 and in April-May 1945.

Before, I positively assessed German Chancellor Merkel. I thought that she had a real friendly relationship with Putin V. Now I see in her complete hypocrisy.

I repeat, the United States is far away. With their historically vile politics, they have repeatedly substituted Europe. However, our nuclear missiles will be elementary able to cause general unhappiness to their population, about the level of which they absolutely have no understanding. And what is their fault? The Russian Federation from the Republic of Kazakhstan occupies a huge territory, one sixth of the land, in the depths of which there is everything, and there is where to live and where to move, after the weapons territory. And what should Europe do with the USA? Where will you run to escape? We are far superior to you (combined) in the quantity and quality of the means of mass destruction. I worked professionally at a high technological and management level where one of our small units produced such means 12 times more than all European countries (taken together). Cooperate in mutual interests in the name of peace, not war. Otherwise we are deadly to you. If the United States has intensified in weakening the Russian Federation, then let them not be offended. We will create them very bad conditions for the existence of their statehood, as well as the collapse of the economy. We know how to do this, and we are confident that it will be implemented in a short period of time.

I'm on 100% blood Kazakh. As proof, I enclose my appeals to the esteemed President of the Russian Federation, Putin V.V. and to the governor of the Moscow region Vorobyov A.Yu. If you publish these requests, you will make a great contribution for the sake of the future of Europe and your own safety.

By your actions in Ukraine in preparing and supporting the current gangster and fascist nonhumans to come to power, you have brought countless misfortunes to the Ukrainian people. And their number is growing exponentially every day. What are you doing ?? You made a huge mistake. Correct your numerous errors.

You must understand our Soviet psychology: "The harder you make us, the stronger you make us." Hack it in your nose. We are not afraid of your lousy actions. We spit on them from the high bell tower. We are stronger than you. And in cooperation with China, you will be our servants in the literal sense of the word. So wind your mustache.

You have no chance in the war with the Russian Federation and its states-brothers and like-minded people. When will you stop being devils and liars, turning all white into black? On a dangerous path you have become !! On very dangerous !! In the family, the father and mother teach the bad child and re-educate him into a good one. Do not meddle in Ukraine. We are with them - one people. And who are you? Forget about Ukraine.

Move back and watch from the side and we. Let the Ukrainian people themselves deal with them. But God forbid, if these bandits and fascists shed the blood of Russians! Let no mercy be expected of us! God forbid, Europe and the USA will climb at this moment! Let then blame yourself!

Bring them to attention.
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  1. Monk
    Monk April 14 2014 09: 21
    +17
    Could you, the presidents of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan, be the initiators and we, the citizens, to contribute to the commission of actions so that the Russians and the Kazakhs lived in the same country, in the same state !?


    Yeah, an interesting attempt.
    1. mamont5
      mamont5 April 14 2014 09: 23
      +8
      Quote: Monk
      Yeah, an interesting attempt.


      Well, perhaps after Nazarbayev’s departure. Now he is an ally.
      1. Canep
        Canep April 14 2014 10: 21
        +6
        To be honest, I did not understand what the author wants.
        Could you, the presidents of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan, be the initiators and we, the citizens, to contribute to the commission of actions so that the Russians and the Kazakhs lived in the same country, in the same state !?
        And so this is all going, now the EAC, even if it is being hastily created, but over time there will be a single currency and a common command of the armed forces, there is already a single command center in air defense. Military units are better to form on nat. It is a sign that during the Second World War this was widely practiced, and everyone saw the results in the 45th.
        1. hommer
          hommer April 14 2014 10: 59
          +28
          Quote: Canep
          To be honest, I did not understand what the author wants.


          A person is simply nostalgic for the times when we were all citizens of one great country and for our youth.
          Humanly it is clear.
          It has already been said by Putin - "Whoever does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart. Whoever wants the restoration of the USSR has no mind."
          And with the unification into one country with Russia at the moment - an overkill.
          Didn’t Kazakhstan prove that we succeeded in building the state — the economy was raised, the level of 1991 was surpassed long ago, people began to live better. Of course, there are drawbacks (corruption, etc. - we are struggling with this, it’s not all work, but we’re doing it, not sitting idle) - and who does not have them?
          Kazakhstan as a state took place!
          Unlike some laughing laughing
          We keep our Natsiks (and how without them) in the framework.
          And Russia is more profitable ally, strategic partner, fraternal state, and not another subject of the federation.
          P.S. I am also the grandson of a war veteran.
        2. GradusHuK
          GradusHuK April 14 2014 19: 23
          +3
          The peoples of the USSR are uniting !!!
      2. Beibit
        Beibit April 14 2014 11: 15
        +15
        I have nothing against the Russians. I am not opposed to unite, but also not to remain independent. It all depends on how we all will live under one roof. There are many subtleties and details that need to be considered:
        1. Language
        Language is not just a communication tool. This is culture, education, history ... in a word, it is the heart and brain of the people, nation. What language will we speak? After all, Russians want to speak Russian and Kazakhs speak Kazakh. Or do you offer two official languages ​​?! it’s not clear ... The state is one, but two languages. It follows that this state is not one whole. How to solve this problem? Maybe everyone who lives in this state is obliged to know both languages ​​and to teach two languages ​​from elementary schools ??? So that the people have two native languages ​​?!
        Question How to solve the problem with the language remains open. Your suggestions, brothers.
        2. Culture, traditions
        Here, probably more or less you can solve the problem. Each nation has its own culture and traditions. I see when Russians marry a Kazakh woman and vice versa when Kazakhs marry Russian. They come to some kind of consensus and live normally if they respect each other's culture and traditions.
        3. The relationship of peoples
        At the household level, Russian and Kazakh friends. And as soon as the discussion begins on the forums about history and who won whom, who owes what to whom they are not comrades. So how do you bring up adults and children so that this does not happen? So no one owes anyone. For the people to be united, they need a common idea, goal, values. It is impossible to take simply to unite the states without a clear explanation of the idea, purpose. Peoples must understand each other. What are the suggestions?
        4. Nationality
        Will the nationality of the citizen be marked at all? So far, the Russians will call the Kazakhs, and the Kazakhs of the Russians will not end in good. More precisely, while Nazism will be between nations. It is necessary to properly educate children, then perhaps (most likely) you can fix it.
        5. Religion
        Here, too, things are not very encouraging. Which religion to choose? Or leave both. Whose religion is the truth. Maybe it should not be at all and everyone should be atheists?

        As you can see there are many problems, there are still which I have not listed. What to do???
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 April 14 2014 11: 33
          +4
          Quote: Beibit
          As you can see there are many problems, there are still which I have not listed. What to do???

          You yourself answered everything ...
        2. Black
          Black April 14 2014 15: 01
          +8
          Quote: Beibit
          There are many subtleties and details

          There are no subtleties. In childhood, he spent all summer with his grandfathers in the village. There were many Kazakhs. They didn’t fight by nationality, they didn’t beat their faces in fashion according to their eyes, but for their actions.
          Studying at the institute for 4 years he lived in the same room with a Kazakh ... language, culture, religion, everything was common.
          Quote: Beibit
          5. Religion
          Here, too, things are not very encouraging. Which religion to choose? Or leave both. Whose religion is the truth.

          Are you all this serious ???


          According to the article.
          I subscribe to almost every word ....
          That's just alarming the time of the appearance of this article .... is this a subtle game?
          In any case, the article is not the time !!!
          1. patriot75
            patriot75 April 14 2014 19: 08
            +4
            I completely agree with your statement. In Soviet times, they lived with the Kazakhs, Belarusians, and Ukrainians. And everything was fine, there was no nationalism. Because there were still memorable (if not personally, but according to the stories of grandfathers) events of the Second World War. My parents drove me to Khotyn as a child, and now having read that Bandera did it, I have no words, only emotions !!! Shoot their bastards! All together with their leaders, who brought the country to a white knee !!!
          2. dalekiy
            dalekiy April 15 2014 15: 59
            0
            So I also think - this is not the time now, oh, not the time ...
        3. roskaz
          roskaz April 14 2014 19: 11
          +8
          I can speak about the language in Russian, as we were taught in Kazakh at school, it’s better not to talk about it, now my child has a tutor in the Kazakh language. religion, I believe, doesn’t interfere with either Orthodoxy or Islam. in the city where I was born and lived for almost 30 years, an Orthodox church opposite the mosque is 100 meters away.
        4. aksakal
          aksakal April 15 2014 01: 04
          +7
          Quote: Beibit
          I see when Russians marry a Kazakh woman and vice versa when Kazakhs marry Russian. They come to some kind of consensus and live normally if they respect each other's culture and traditions.
          - I completely agree with the above. From the quote I want to add from observations - if spouses of different nationalities got married, but without due respect for culture and traditions, then they will somehow survive it, but the child's life will be crippled. After all, if there is insufficient mutual respect, pressure will be exerted on the child from both sides - each will pull from the parents towards their nationality, eventually forcing them to choose between the parents, in the end, in essence BETRAYING one of the parents, as a rule, less dominant. For a small citizen, this is a real tragedy, you cannot wish it on an enemy. Having realized his choice, a child who grew up in such a family, in the subsequent is already forced to go to the end, to radicalism. For example, if a child was born into a Russian-Kazakh family in which a similar "family war" took place and chose the Russian nationality, then he then becomes even more Russian than the Russians themselves. It is exactly the same if he chooses to be Kazakh. Therefore, entering into an international marriage requires some rather high moral maturity of both parents, and so they fell in love and got married without thinking - in these situations children end up.
        5. Svetlana
          Svetlana April 15 2014 09: 14
          +2
          What language will we speak? After all, Russians want to speak Russian and Kazakhs speak Kazakh. Or do you offer two official languages ​​?! it’s not clear ... The state is one, but two languages.

          In the USSR, language problems did not exist. This is indicated primarily by the fact that you easily write in Russian. All the peoples of the former USSR easily speak Russian. So what is the problem?
          At the household level, Russian and Kazakh friends. And as soon as the discussion begins on the forums about history and who won whom, who owes what to whom they are not comrades.

          A common history must be restored together by all peoples (there are many literate historians), and not separately as in Ukraine, otherwise it would be absurd. Our territories have been part of a single empire for many centuries, and perhaps millennia, the fate of our peoples is closely intertwined.
          This and all that you have identified - no problems at all, but just current tasks that will need to be solved by joint efforts, there would only be a desire. Our ancestors easily solved these "problems", so why should we reinvent the wheel again? The main problem is not in the relationship of peoples, but in the relationship of our governments and their desire or unwillingness to share their power with others. Everyone wants to be a king in their own kingdom, not obey another king. That is the problem, and what you have listed is the little things in life.
      3. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder April 14 2014 11: 46
        +14
        The article is kind, the main thing that needs to be clarified in it is that Kazakhstan of Russia is not just a partner but a real ally, in a real war if there is aggression.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 14 2014 21: 29
          +8
          The author is an aksakal. Knows what he is writing. From Stepnogorsk - a closed city in Kazakhstan during the Soviet era. There our bacteriological weapons were made. It was a unique production. Now it makes anti-locust poison, but especially "interesting and unique" units and lines were destroyed at the insistence and direction of the GOSDEPP. It can be seen that the respected Kamalkhan Khamitovich Khabiev is on the subject of weapons of mass destruction and their production.
          As for the Union, I am only FOR. But from the experience of the USSR it is clear that decisions on certain issues (sometimes very important for local residents) were taken for a very long time. For example, the metro in Alma-Ata or the Arasan bath. That is, the decision center should not be one and very far from the place of the event. On the other hand, why should we subsidize others. I remember when the USSR Georgia was in the first place, although it was subsidized. That is, I want to say that each republic should live in its own pocket and build its own life on the basis of what has been earned. Otherwise, such a Union will not last long - why should a Russian subsidize a Georgian, for example?
          These errors must be considered. Yes, there should be one decision-making center for military and foreign affairs, some kind of center for economic planning, some kind of parliamentary committee, general money, etc. But more power should be in place - all the same, you need to live within your means . Laws and budgets are made up of real possibilities and reality. There are a lot of bureaucracy and officials of every level in the European Union. This must also be avoided.
          We need a Union in which part of the powers (see above) had supranational bodies, another in the republics. And this balance will change all the time, based on urgent and global problems. Peaceful and stable time (without acute problems) - more local power. A time of acute external challenges and destabilization - more power and authority to the center. Well, something like this is my vision. hi
        2. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 14 2014 23: 05
          +2
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          Kazakhstan of Russia is not just a partner but a real ally, in a real war if there is aggression.

          If you really think so, then accept sincere assurances of my respect, and accordingly, always your ally.
    2. dalekiy
      dalekiy April 15 2014 15: 59
      -1
      Untimely, and therefore provocative.
    3. askarlad
      askarlad April 16 2014 03: 46
      0
      Sorry off topic. Today we parted ways with friends on greenhouses and they threw me. Do not believe people do not believe in Uzbek songs. They threw me now so that I have to get out of this .... PS "JUST A SCREAM OF THE SOUL"
  2. Igarr
    Igarr April 14 2014 09: 22
    +25
    Well, Kamalkhan Hamitovich, may the Almighty give you happiness.
    It just became interesting, but did Elbasy also send a letter?
    As far as I know, Nursultan Abishevich has a very real way of thinking.
    God grant, God grant such success.
  3. antibanukurayza
    antibanukurayza April 14 2014 09: 22
    -44%
    and the traitor is miserable! I somehow understand the union of two independent states: cooperation in all areas, but take it and give it like that. .
    1. dimdimich71
      dimdimich71 April 14 2014 09: 45
      +35
      He is not a traitor, he grew up in the USSR and he has one homeland, I myself still judge for me that Kazakh, that Ukrainian, that they drill, etc., are all Russian OURs and there are NONOURS
    2. Turdaun
      Turdaun April 14 2014 10: 32
      +13
      He talks about union. What is the betrayal? A true patriot is this earthenware!
    3. Zymran
      Zymran April 14 2014 19: 36
      -3
      Plus. Traitor to the nation and state.
      1. yulka2980
        yulka2980 April 15 2014 07: 58
        0
        Nonsense! The author is a normal person, born in the USSR! Now it is almost impossible to find 100% Russians or Kazakhs, etc. etc., because at one time our ancestors were all "mixed up". What does a traitor have to do with it, if a person is simply "nostalgic" about the past, all the more so for 68 years.
      2. Rasputin
        Rasputin April 16 2014 19: 00
        +1
        I agree with you. This author-provocateur, as a pop Gapon, leads the people on the wrong track to deprive him of Independence. The recent history has opened people's eyes that thieves are in power both in the Republic of Kazakhstan and in Russia, and these thieves are getting less profit or they have frozen it in foreign banks.
        For whom are you going to fight? You will be led like cannon fodder under atomic bombs and turned into radioactive dust. Europe does not want to fight you, but will not make concessions to Russia's aggression. With "fraternal" Ukraine, they treated it as if one brother got sick, then the other took away his cow. This is purely Russian. Didn't they write in the 30s at each other, at a neighbor and relatives. They starved 30% of the Kazakhs! And you still ask them to be servants or cannon fodder? It is in Russia that Asians are contemptuously called "guest workers". Did the Asians save Moscow in the fall of 41? And here in gratitude to you, the victory was privatized - the Russians.
        Yes, in the USSR there would be enough room for everyone, but the Russians had castrated brains, they could not create such a power, where every nation would bring only the good. In a country like in a family, if parents are stupid and lazy, children will have a hard life. So it was in the USSR, worthless ruled the country.
        1. Mergen
          Mergen April 17 2014 14: 13
          +2
          Rasputin agrees with you. Special
          Quote: Rasputin
          It is in Russia that Asians are contemptuously called "guest workers".

          Quote: Rasputin
          Did the Asians save Moscow in the fall of the 41st?

          Not Russians will NEVER recognize this.
    4. Turkir
      Turkir April 15 2014 00: 06
      0
      You wonder how old?
  4. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian April 14 2014 09: 23
    +23
    Great letter! For more such kind people we were born ...
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 14 2014 10: 14
      +4
      Quote: Scandinavian
      For more such good people we were born ..
      Well, how could the last years 20 back as released wink
      Now there is no such format in production. As there is no bike "Baldyrgan", products of the shoe factory "Zhetysu", vodka for 3 rubles 62 kopecks ...
      No, of course, now the “baldyrgan” is being released, and such people are probably born, but as a rule, their number is so insignificant that their calculation is not worth the effort spent on them.
      Quote: antibanukuraza
      Khabiev Kamalkhan Khamitovich, unfortunate. Such as you need to bury in Russia. There is no grave for you in Kazakhstan
      Here it is necessary to recall the parable of Moses, which directly approaches Kamalkhan Khamitovich. As it is known Moses 40 led the Jews for years .. and we only barely 20 passed ..
      1. antibanukurayza
        antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 36
        -26%
        The Prophet Musa (Peace be upon him), in the Bible, Moses cannot even be compared with the author of this delusional article. And it is not correct to compare the divine mission of the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) with the mission of a representative of the 5 column.
        1. Alibekulu
          Alibekulu April 14 2014 10: 45
          +15
          Quote: antibanukuraza
          The Prophet Musa (Peace be upon him), in the Bible, Moses cannot even be compared with the author of this delusional article. And it is not correct to compare the divine mission of the Prophet Musa (peace be upon him) with the mission of a representative of the 5 column.
          The meaning of the parable is that forty years is the average duration of one generation.
          Moses drove the Jews in the desert for exactly as many years, so that everyone who knew slavery and was a slave died.
          Free people, born in poverty, but not in slavery, were to live on the "promised land".
          1. IS-80
            IS-80 April 16 2014 15: 16
            +1
            Alibekulu, very interesting, but the Old Testament speaks of something else. smile
    2. dalekiy
      dalekiy April 15 2014 16: 02
      -1
      They are and always have been. And they were in the majority. Now ask who is the majority for the USSR. But all in order. Timeliness and preparedness is half the battle. And therefore it seems to me that such initiatives are provocative at the moment.
  5. Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 09: 26
    -49%
    do not perceive the will of one traitor as the will of the whole people. This is one of the members of the fifth column of Kazakhstan. Mankurt is unhappy without a nation and without a core.
    1. Warhead-xnumx
      Warhead-xnumx April 14 2014 09: 36
      +21
      Quote: Aldo
      do not perceive the will of one traitor as the will of the whole people. This is one of the members of the fifth column of Kazakhstan. Mankurt is unhappy without a nation and without a core.

      What is the betrayal? Will you also start a Bandera song about the fact that all sins are to blame? How hard was it for you during the Union and how was everyone fed?
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        1. sergey72
          sergey72 April 14 2014 09: 52
          +7
          Quote: antibanukuraza
          And let's give Tatarstan independence with the capital in Kazan? Well ... well ... weak?

          They are already in a special situation ... what else could you want for something? And as for leaving, they will not leave - where to leave? Yes, and the final benefits play an important role ...
          1. antibanukurayza
            antibanukurayza April 14 2014 09: 56
            -22%
            Well, not Tatarstan so give the Bashkirs independence. Sorry or what? Let self-determination ...
            1. sergey72
              sergey72 April 14 2014 09: 58
              +5
              Quote: antibanukuraza
              Well, not Tatarstan so give the Bashkirs independence. Sorry or what? Let self-determination ...

              See the answer above - just replace Tatarstan with Bashkiria ... and you will be happy ..
            2. Evgeniy-111
              Evgeniy-111 April 14 2014 11: 46
              +2
              Antibanukuraiza, where do you live?
              And then all about us, but about us ...
              1. antibanukurayza
                antibanukurayza April 14 2014 14: 27
                +11
                I live in my homeland. And this homeland is the Republic of Kazakhstan, an independent state, sovereign, secular and unitary. My position is a strategic partnership of independent states. And the author is probably experiencing senility or has seen enough of the news and thinks that the USSR will be reborn in the form it was before. There can be no talk of any unification of the two states - this will lead either to an invariable split along ethnic lines in the future, or to the dominance of one nation over another. If Russia and Kazakhstan become a single state, Russians are unlikely to want the Kazakh from Kazakhstan to become president. Think soberly.
                1. Sergey Vl.
                  Sergey Vl. April 14 2014 19: 08
                  +7
                  General Bagration said that he was not a Georgian prince, but a Russian general!
                2. GradusHuK
                  GradusHuK April 14 2014 19: 42
                  0
                  And EKATERINA GREAT what kind of blood?
                3. blizart
                  blizart April 14 2014 19: 52
                  +2
                  Why not, there was a Georgian. Exorcise the Messiah and voila la from the bowels of your people. According to the article, not everyone can put the fire of the heart into words and speak so sincerely. I have lived half my life in the USSR and half in Kazakhstan, and I think the author has every right to be proud of our homeland. In general, there is no complete independence, even for superpowers
                4. dmitriygorshkov
                  dmitriygorshkov April 14 2014 23: 16
                  +5
                  Quote: antibanukuraza
                  . Think soberly.

                  It always seemed to me that you favorably differ from us in respect for elders, or is it already atavism for you?
                  As for the president from Kazakhstan, then remember I.V. Stalin, who also seems to be not a great Russian.
                  In general, I am also against reunification with Kazakhstan, I will be quite happy with friendship and partnership!
                5. Turkir
                  Turkir April 15 2014 00: 08
                  0
                  If Russia and Kazakhstan become a single state, Russians are unlikely to want the Kazakh from Kazakhstan to become president. Think soberly.

                  What about the Minister of Defense? wink
                6. Nekarmadlen
                  Nekarmadlen April 15 2014 03: 15
                  +2
                  Antibanukuraiza, why are you so stung?
                7. yulka2980
                  yulka2980 April 15 2014 08: 12
                  0
                  Well, as for the secular, you turned down! And as for the presidency, no one will ask you. You are some kind of troll wassat
                8. Svetlana
                  Svetlana April 15 2014 09: 27
                  +1
                  Why not, if worthy? We and the Georgians were at the head of the state - worthily led the country out of chaos and Nazism defeated. Shoigu - Tuvinian - Minister of Defense. And if you take the Soviet time or the tsarist, you can give so many examples that you’ll get tired of listing.
                9. ekzorsist
                  ekzorsist April 16 2014 21: 50
                  -4
                  Quote: antibanukuraza
                  I live in my homeland. And this homeland is the Republic of Kazakhstan, an independent state, sovereign, secular and unitary. My position is a strategic partnership of independent states. And the author is probably experiencing senility or has seen enough of the news and thinks that the USSR will be reborn in the form it was before. There can be no talk of any unification of the two states - this will lead either to an invariable split along ethnic lines in the future, or to the dominance of one nation over another. If Russia and Kazakhstan become a single state, Russians are unlikely to want the Kazakh from Kazakhstan to become president. Think soberly.

                  Well, what so right away ??? Let a citizen by nationality be the president of Kazakhstan - a German or a Jew or a Buryat or a Moldovan or ... !!! It is not a matter of nationality, but of rabid Nazism and nationalism, natspatahs and the "titular nation" of Kazakhstan !!!
                  1. Mergen
                    Mergen April 17 2014 14: 16
                    +2
                    Beck answered like you
                    The first prime minister of Kazakhstan is Tereshchenko.

                    Chairman of the National Bank three times - Marchenko.

                    The current Minister of Emergencies is Bozhko.
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        2. tokin1959
          tokin1959 April 14 2014 09: 55
          +12
          and in Tatarstan they want branches?
          Tatars have a republic within Russia.
          and Russians in Kazakhstan why there is no republic?
          1. antibanukurayza
            antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 00
            -1
            and who said that the Russians do not have a republic in Kazakhstan? There is! And this is the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            1. danperevera
              danperevera April 14 2014 10: 35
              +15
              the Russian language in Kazakhstan does not have the status of the state language; it’s not even a question of any autonomy - Russians are not allowed to rule the country, although so far at least 1/3 of the population of Kazakhstan is Russian
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu April 14 2014 11: 55
                -5
                Quote: danperevera
                about any autonomy even we are not talking
                Yeah wink so can a referendum immediately ?!
                Quote: danperevera
                Russians are not allowed to rule the country
                Well, as it were 20 years ago, the Russians, one great country had already "stolen" .. We will definitely not give you such a second chance ..
                1. roskaz
                  roskaz April 14 2014 19: 15
                  +6
                  not only Russian prosrai if that!
                2. yulka2980
                  yulka2980 April 15 2014 08: 14
                  0
                  And they won’t ask you
              2. Beck
                Beck April 14 2014 22: 04
                +2
                Quote: danperevera
                the Russian language in Kazakhstan does not have the status of the state language;


                In Russia, the Kremlin documents in the Tatar or Bashkir languages, what does it release? Not. In the state Russian language. And none of the other peoples of Russia screams why their language is not state along with Russian.

                Quote: danperevera
                Russians are not allowed to rule the country,


                And as the language turns to give garbage, well, a foreigner would, otherwise he lives in Kazakhstan.

                The first prime minister of Kazakhstan is Tereshchenko.

                Chairman of the National Bank three times - Marchenko.

                The current Minister of Emergencies is Bozhko.

                Akims of the regions at different times - Dyachenko, Hartman, Kulagin, Brown, Zolotarev, Rau, Pachin, Lavrienko, Desyatnik, Mette, Khrapunov, Nefedov, Knyazev, Novikov, Bayev, Smirnov, Mezentsev, Salamatin, Chernov, Brynkin.
                (I don’t even stutter about the akims of districts and towns).

                Currently:
                The Committee on the fight against drug trafficking and drug trafficking control of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan - General A. Vyborov
                The Committee of the Administrative Police of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan - General Lepekha I.V.
                Committee for the Protection of Children's Rights of the Ministry of Education and Science of the Republic of Kazakhstan - Sher R.P.
                The Committee for Construction and Housing and Communal Services of the Republic of Kazakhstan RK - Galiev Vladislav Germanovich.

                In all institutions where work with the population is conducted, and these are all bodies, as well as private firms, banks NEVER will hire a Kazakh who does not speak Russian. Therefore, it will be necessary to communicate with a grandfather, a Kazakh who does not know the Russian language, and with Slavs who do not know the Kazakh language. That is why the operators, clerks, employees are mostly bilingual Kazakhs. There are almost no bilingual Slavs. (For seventy years, did not bother to learn, at least at the household level, the language of the country of residence. Try to live in England without the English language).

                If the Slav, German, Korean and ... speak the Kazakh language, then, under all other conditions, they have an advantage in hiring.

                And you just have to let gas in the air.
                1. yulka2980
                  yulka2980 April 15 2014 08: 15
                  -2
                  All surnames Khokhlyatsky and Jewish wassat ! Where did you see the Russians there ?? Is it that Smirnov ...
                  1. Aldo
                    Aldo April 15 2014 08: 49
                    +3
                    in the government of the Russian Federation, too, is not a clean guy, look at their names. The main thing they consider themselves Russian.
                  2. Beck
                    Beck April 15 2014 10: 55
                    +1
                    Quote: yulka2980
                    All surnames Khokhlyatsky and Jewish! Where did you see the Russians there ?? Is it that Smirnov.


                    Actually, I mean that not only Kazakhs are in power, but also Slavs and others. And the names Mette, Hartmann, Rau, Brown are German surnames. These are Kazakhstani Germans.
          2. antibanukurayza
            antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 08
            -17%
            Tatars have always wanted and still want to. Only you don't want to admit it. Not counting those puppets in power, the opinion of the people is more important. Of course, now there will be some Tatar on the site and he will cheerfully write: “I’m a Tatar, but I don’t want to be separated, my life is so delicious,” but I will laugh and that's all. And the author of this appeal - covered himself with shame throughout the country. I am doing the maximum repost of his letter on our Kazakhstani Internet resources with the title: "Attention! There is a traitor among us!" And Kazakhstan will become cramped for this person. Let him go to Russia and reunite with her. And we, KAZAKHSTANTS (not only Kazakhs), want to see Russia as a partner, neighbor and brother, not a colonizer and hegemon. Friendship of peoples, please! Cooperation in all areas - no problem! But do not touch freedom - this is sacred for the Kazakhs. Russians living in Kazakhstan cannot understand the taste of freedom, they are too different concepts.
            1. tokin1959
              tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 15
              +13
              is this how to put the Tatarstan branches into practice?
              Russians and Tatars 50 to 50 in Tatarstan,
              50 percent of Tatars live outside Tatarstan.
              to evict both those and others? collapsed from oak?
              and 1 percent of Tatars wants to be separated.
              1. antibanukurayza
                antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 41
                -15%
                you just tell them: "We will give you independence!" and they themselves will do everything. not fools
                1. Prutkov
                  Prutkov April 14 2014 12: 12
                  +10
                  Well, let's say the Tatars will have independence. And then what? It's good for you, in the steppe, hundreds of kilometers from the wagon to the wagon of "independence". But in the near future you will also have to learn Chinese, not English, do not flatter yourself. The only chance for your state to speak its native Kazakh language is not to forget Russian. But, I feel that they will fly to you, if the "good wizards" have not already arrived with "cookies". And it will be like we do in Ukraine. We now have so much "independence" that we do not know where to convert it into a "good life". It is good to be independent, when everyone in the family is well fed, dressed and healthy, when there is a loved one, or at least normal, a robot and human rest. Then you are calm and independent. It would be worthwhile to understand since 1991 that there are no "independent people", "independent houses", "independent cities and regions", however, as well as completely "independent" countries. Such "independence" from everything is only in the cemetery or on Mars (for now).
            2. sergey72
              sergey72 April 14 2014 10: 15
              +14
              Quote: antibanukuraza
              I am doing the maximum repost of his letter on our Kazakhstani Internet resources with the title: "Attention! There is a traitor among us!" And Kazakhstan will become cramped for this person. Let him go to Russia and reunite with her.

              So I was always interested - some kind of Natsik appears and begins to broadcast about the purity of the nation ... and does it IN RUSSIAN ... What is the idea to continue? Ali themselves guess?
              1. antibanukurayza
                antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 39
                -10%
                Senі not tolındyryp otyr? Orysja zhazan maқalaғa orissa jauap қaitaryp otyrmyn. Eger aitaryң wasps of the bolsa maғan jauap bersі, қазақша пікір талас жасайық
                1. sergey72
                  sergey72 April 14 2014 11: 41
                  +13
                  And I am invited to answer:
                  Church Slavonic
                  -Tatar
                  -German?
                  I explain: the blood of Vologda peasants, Siberian Cossacks, German settlers, Siberian Tatars flows in my veins .... That's why I speak Russian!
                  1. antibanukurayza
                    antibanukurayza April 14 2014 14: 47
                    +5
                    that’s all clear. Unlike you, I know my native language and your native language. And you do not even know the Kazakh language, you undertake to judge the Kazakhs.
                    1. blizart
                      blizart April 14 2014 20: 06
                      +2
                      As you yourself said, "Think soberly", or learn history, this is me about the knowledge of the Vologda Russians, the Kazakh language. As I understand it, you really do not like the speed of mastering the Kazakh Russian state. language? But believe me, the process is underway, my nephew is shagging, be healthy, I envy him as well as you. Real bilingualism is a class, so accept it as a gift, not a burden. And understand that only twenty years of our independence have passed, too little to judge, as the Chinese said about the event a hundred years ago
                    2. yulka2980
                      yulka2980 April 15 2014 08: 42
                      +1
                      Are you adequate in a man? You were taught Russian at school (and for free), but then you need to teach Russian to the languages ​​of everyone who lives on the territory of Russia. Why do we need this? And if you don’t like Russian and Russian, then you can eliminate this site! Nobody holds you here
                2. Evgeniy-111
                  Evgeniy-111 April 14 2014 11: 51
                  +7
                  And if the Russians in Kazakhstan are offered: "We will give you independence!", Will they do everything themselves?
            3. Andryukha Siberian
              Andryukha Siberian April 14 2014 10: 55
              +9
              No, it is you "respected" who defiled the flag that is marked next to your name with your speeches.
            4. Andryukha Siberian
              Andryukha Siberian April 14 2014 11: 09
              +8
              : "Attention! There is a traitor among us!" And Kazakhstan will become cramped for this person. And these are not the same methods that are used by "Banderlog"?
            5. Evgeniy-111
              Evgeniy-111 April 14 2014 11: 49
              +2
              As I understand it, the Russians have oppressed you all the years of the USSR, didn’t let you ride freely on horses? Or how do you imagine freedom?
            6. Fin
              Fin April 14 2014 12: 05
              +4
              Quote: antibanukuraza
              And the author of this appeal shamed himself throughout the country.

              How quickly you found the enemy. How did he betray you? Is your point of view persecuted? Be sure to send from the country, then forbid to speak Russian, Kazakhstan - for the Kazakhs who do not skip - that ...., are to blame for everything .... Does it not remind you of anything?
              Yes, I want to ask everything, and the Ukrainians too: What kind of freedom do you have that we cannot understand?
            7. Manul
              Manul April 14 2014 12: 21
              +10
              Quote: antibanukuraza
              Of course, now there will be some Tatar on the site and he will cheerfully write: “I’m a Tatar, but I don’t want to be separated, my life is so delicious,” but I will laugh and that's all.

              Citizen, you are sick! I am half Tatar, my mother is Tatar, all my relatives along her line are in Kazan, I myself was born in Naberezhnye Chelny (Tatarstan) My childhood was spent half in the Urals, half in Kazan. I played in the yards, walked in all the neighborhoods, fished in Kazanka ... And every summer I try to go there, to visit my numerous relatives. I never in my life saw a sidelong glance in my direction there. But, for example, in Ukraine, which you are obviously projecting here, now it is scary even to be "m. Skal".
              I have a firm conviction that you are the "officer's granddaughter." It is painfully active to press on the Ukrainian events.
            8. roskaz
              roskaz April 14 2014 19: 17
              +3
              interesting and why do we not understand the taste of freedom?
            9. Sharingan
              Sharingan April 14 2014 20: 13
              +2
              Quote: antibanukuraza
              I am doing the maximum repost of his letter on our Kazakhstani Internet resources with the title: "Attention! There is a traitor among us!" And Kazakhstan will become cramped for this person. Let him go to Russia and reunite with her. And we, KAZAKHSTANS (not only Kazakhs), want to see in Russia a partner, neighbor and brother, and not a colonizer and hegemon.


              Yes, we’ll think a hundred more times whether we need a brother like antibanukurayza, who wants to arrange a "sweet" life for his fellow-citizen-pensioner, condemning him as a traitor. Fu.
              1. Beck
                Beck April 14 2014 22: 30
                +6
                Quote: Sharingan
                Yes, we will think a hundred times more whether we need such a brother as an anti-banukureiza who wants to arrange a "sweet" life for his fellow-citizen-pensioner, denouncing him as a traitor. Fu.


                Think do not think, but the times of a unitary state with the pressure of one people over others, for Kazakhstan, have passed.

                Independence is the same need as air. You have longing and sadness not for the collapse of the united country of the USSR, but for the collapse of the Russian Empire. For some reason, the Russians did not want to live in the United Golden Horde, because they lived well, and went to Kulikovo Field. Why, now, countries that gained independence in 90 years should again submit to the Kremlin? Can we first return to the state of the Golden Horde? AND?

                EURASEC YES, but only on equal rights and sovereignty.

                And then he will think. Your thoughts to the citizens of Kazakhstan are useless.

                And the article was written, most likely, by a person without self-awareness of the history of his people, who need to get the approvals of those who are many - in the yard, on the site. Like I'm with you, I'm for you. And I think this person has an avatar or nickname, I confuse everything, on this site - Aksakal.
                1. yulka2980
                  yulka2980 April 15 2014 08: 50
                  0
                  But who is calling you to the Kremlin? And about your horde you would be silent, who lived there well on the Russian ridge, these are Tatar-Mongols, but not Russian. Moreover, not 70 years, but 300! Sometimes you read such comments and think Is it not from House No. 6 that this comrade writes!
                  1. Aldo
                    Aldo April 15 2014 09: 13
                    +4
                    think with stereotypes. Why didn’t the Russians unite before the Mongols? Here, China is grateful to Genghis Khan for uniting all of China. And the reign of a descendant of Genghis Khan there is singled out as a separate Yuan dynasty.
                    At least the basis for the creation of the Russian Empire was created by the Mongols uniting Russian cities. And you are yoke and yoke. If the Mongols wanted, they could, like in Central Asia, cut all your princes and put the Mongols at the head of the cities.
                    1. IS-80
                      IS-80 April 16 2014 03: 55
                      -2
                      Quote: Aldo
                      At least the basis for the creation of the Russian Empire was created by the Mongols uniting Russian cities.

                      What is this alternative story? Are you apparently kidding me?
                      1. Aldo
                        Aldo April 16 2014 06: 47
                        +2
                        it’s your brains that are clouded by your deceitful story, which was recorded by order of Peter 1 by the Germans. Read the history of the emergence of historical science in Russia.
                      2. IS-80
                        IS-80 April 16 2014 10: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Aldo
                        it’s your brains that are clouded by your deceitful story, which was recorded by order of Peter 1 by the Germans. Read the history of the emergence of historical science in Russia.


                        And why did you decide that your story is not lying, but our lying? And the fog is in your head. Fog of Kazakh nationalism.
                      3. Aldo
                        Aldo April 16 2014 13: 25
                        0
                        because a lie is a lie, when a lie always ears stick out, no matter how hard they try to bury the truth.
                        About nationalism. You, too, can be blamed for nationalism, if anything, for defending the history of your people, although you really don't know it.
                      4. IS-80
                        IS-80 April 16 2014 16: 34
                        0
                        I am happy for you that you know the absolute truth. laughing
            10. Beck
              Beck April 15 2014 11: 13
              +3
              Quote: yulka2980
              And as for their horde, they would be silent about who lived there well on the Russian ridge, so these are the Tatar-Mongols, but not the Russians.


              In fact, everyone lived well, only the power was Horde.

              And the definition of Igo is the invention of national historians. What yoke? Yes, they won, determined the payment of tax, a tenth, tithing and left. In Russian cities, these 300 years, the military garrisons of the Horde did not stand. Russian princes ruled in their estates themselves. The Horde overseer did not stand over the Russian peasants, the Russian clerk from the Russian prince stood. The Orthodox Church was exempted from all taxes, church officials had immunity status, there was an internal church court whose decisions the khan himself could not influence. And the tax, which national historians call tribute, was only ten percent, hence the tithe. This is less than today's taxes.

              And why are you so wound up. Russian people wanted independence and went to Kulikovo field. Why should the Kazakhs now give their independence to the Kremlin.

              Quote: yulka2980
              Sometimes you read such comments and you really think whether this companion writes number 6 from the house!


              This is because you have so that you do not have historical erudition and a general outlook. Just take it by the throat.
              1. IS-80
                IS-80 April 16 2014 11: 07
                -2
                Quote: Beck
                And the definition of Igo is the invention of national historians. What yoke? Yes, they won, determined the payment of tax, a tenth, tithing and left.


                Yeah, they just left, and then they came again and they left again, and they came and went a bunch of times. Leaving behind the ruined cities, burned villages and piles of corpses, driving people into slavery.
                1. Aldo
                  Aldo April 16 2014 13: 19
                  +1
                  and in China did not kill? There, the Mongols killed millions of people. And in China, Genghis Khan is now erected monuments for the fact that he united China. But you are a yoke and a yoke, present the story only in black and white, where only the Russians are right and right.
                2. IS-80
                  IS-80 April 16 2014 16: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: Aldo
                  and in China did not kill? There, the Mongols killed millions of people. And in China, Genghis Khan is now erected monuments for the fact that he united China. But you are a yoke and a yoke, present the story only in black and white, where only the Russians are right and right.


                  China, maybe he combined. But Russia itself united to confront the Horde. However, that does not negate the fact that after we won the rematch, we normally lived together normally. smile
                3. Aldo
                  Aldo April 17 2014 13: 01
                  +2
                  why did Russia unite and live for three hundred years under the Horde is not it strange?
              2. IS-80
                IS-80 April 16 2014 16: 30
                0
                Quote: Aldo
                and in China did not kill? There, the Mongols killed millions of people. And in China, Genghis Khan is now erected monuments for the fact that he united China. But you are a yoke and a yoke, present the story only in black and white, where only the Russians are right and right.


                And if you need a monument there are probably more worthy people, at least from the memory of Manshuk Mametov and Ibrahim Suleimenov.
            11. Beck
              Beck April 16 2014 19: 17
              0
              Quote: IS-80
              Yeah, they just left, and then they came again and they left again, and they came and went a bunch of times. Leaving behind the ruined cities, burned villages and piles of corpses, driving people into slavery.


              I repeat - there were no military garrisons in Russian cities.

              The Golden Horde, if you call it modern, was a federal structure. Russian principalities, Caucasian entities, steppe inhabitants lived in their territories, constituting the subjects of the federation. And there was only one ruler - Khan. And the tax was the same for everyone and the steppes, too - tithing.

              Non-systemic campaigns of the Horde troops in the cities were in cases of rebellion, when inter-princely swara took place. When Khan Uzbek abolished Basquality, the tax from Russia began to be collected, in Moscow, by Prince Kalita, and then sent to the Horde with a single convoy. That is already the Moscow troops of Prince Kalita suppressed anti-Horde uprisings - in Rostov and even in some city.

              One should not think with emotions, based on ignorance, but with his head, before that, familiarizing himself with historical materials.
            12. IS-80
              IS-80 April 16 2014 22: 12
              -3
              Beck, I know all this. Although there was no federation there, it was not close. What do you want to say that there were no destroyed cities, burnt villages, killed people, and during punitive raids the Horde distributed flowers to all? That is, if tomorrow, for example, the United States destroys half of Kazakhstan, kills a third of the population and imposes a tribute on you, will it be anything so terrible and even good?

              Quote: Beck
              One should not think with emotions, based on ignorance, but with his head, before that, familiarizing himself with historical materials.


              Why didn’t you know? Do you know how to determine this by the power of thought?
            13. Beck
              Beck April 17 2014 06: 42
              +2
              Quote: IS-80
              Although there was no federation there, it was not close.


              I did say if compare with modernity. Then there were no constitutions.

              Quote: IS-80
              What do you want to say that there were no destroyed cities, burnt villages, killed people, and during punitive raids the Horde distributed flowers to all?


              There were. And the main thing at the time of the conquest in 1240-1241. Then, having left to rule in places of loyal Russian princes, the Horde troops left. They returned during the uprisings, or when some Russian prince, for one reason or another, called up the Horde troops to solve their problems. In addition, the nonsense of the Yoke, the Horde did not disarm the Rus. Any prince had his own army.

              Quote: IS-80
              Why didn’t you know?


              If they knew or comprehended the known, they would not give the word Igo a literal meaning.
            14. IS-80
              IS-80 April 17 2014 11: 34
              0
              Quote: Beck
              If they knew or comprehended the known, they would not give the word Igo a literal meaning.


              And what importance should be attached to it? Or, according to your saying, an uninvited guest is worse than a Tatar, too, national historians invented? Well, what can you say if according to your "Actually, everyone lived well" with terrible pogroms, murders and robberies, you probably completely lost touch with reality.
            15. Aldo
              Aldo April 17 2014 12: 32
              +2
              Terrible pogroms and killings were in Central Asia and China, by the way it was even worse than in Russia. Only now none of them calls the period of the reign of the descendants of Genghis Khan Yig or something else.
  • Turkir
    Turkir April 15 2014 00: 12
    +2
    Russians living in Kazakhstan cannot understand the taste of freedom; concepts are too different.

    The meaning is also not clear.
  • Nekarmadlen
    Nekarmadlen April 15 2014 04: 14
    +2
    Quote: antibanukuraza
    Russians living in Kazakhstan cannot understand the taste of freedom; concepts are too different.


    Listen, you already pulled everything up with your freedom !!! Free Ukrainians, free Uzbeks, now here are KAZAKHSTANS free !!!! I wake up at one o'clock in the afternoon, stretch out half-awake and go to see if the free Uzbek Zafar has cleaned my parking lot (I care about tenants), and I also have a free Ukrainian living at my place, Natasha prepares to eat and looks at the house (the other day she tried to talk to me about the separatists and that Moscow shouldn’t get into their internal affairs, for which it was promptly sent for tickets to their historical homeland without a severance pay, it came to mind instantly), and the free Kazakh Jamal gets along well with the rottweiler and looks after the territory (great uncle). They are all great guys, really. And still free, they work freely away from families, they freely buy migration cards of entry and exit, they are free to fear the FMS, they freely dream of their countries. Yes, it happens, sometimes, special evenings, when I am alone at home, here we all sit down, drink wine and chat ... Do you know how warmly all these free people remember the Soviet Union ?! When all the masks have been dropped and you no longer need to sway, I assure you that in fact all this so-called freedom is not needed!
    By the way, and you never paid attention, not a single Russian proves anywhere that he is free ?!
    1. yulka2980
      yulka2980 April 15 2014 08: 52
      0
      Cool said! Just voiced my thoughts! love
    2. Aldo
      Aldo April 15 2014 08: 56
      +3
      I’d look at you if in Ukraine I was a laborer for a dagger. Do you think that you are so smart, because so rich and Ukrainians are stupid therefore work for you? 90% of your wealth and all of you Russians, and us Kazakhs are formed at the expense of energy resources. Therefore, do not gloat that others are working for you and mock them. God see everything.
      1. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen April 15 2014 09: 40
        +1
        Quote: Aldo
        I’d look at you if in Ukraine I was a laborer for a dagger. Do you think that you are so smart, because so rich and Ukrainians are stupid therefore work for you? 90% of your wealth and all of you Russians, and us Kazakhs are formed at the expense of energy resources. Therefore, do not gloat that others are working for you and mock them. God see everything.

        Buddy, who gloats? They have been working for me for all eight years, we sit at the same table for all the holidays, when Natasha comes back from Ukraine after a meeting with her family, I send her a car to Domodedovo so that she would not suffer in the metro after a long bus journey. What would they mock me so much !!! And they do not work as laborers, but work! And the message of the post was completely different - all the demanding people with their freedom had already pulled up !!! Freedom is not a lack of boundaries and limitations! Read "Critique of Pure Reason", it will come in handy! All the best!
        1. Aldo
          Aldo April 15 2014 09: 46
          +4
          Well, if you say so, then you have self-criticism. To be honest, from the context of your previous post it proceeds that they are subordinate to you and you can close your mouth to them. But Jamal is not a Kazakh name, we call girls that name. Maybe he is an Uzbek, pretending to be a Kazakh, there are such.
          1. Nekarmadlen
            Nekarmadlen April 15 2014 10: 25
            +2
            Quote: Aldo
            Well, if you say so, then you have self-criticism. To be honest, from the context of your previous post it proceeds that they are subordinate to you and you can close your mouth to them. But Jamal is not a Kazakh name, we call girls that name. Maybe he is an Uzbek, pretending to be a Kazakh, there are such.

            No, maybe just at that moment emotions dominated, and so we really live together, I respect them all very much, I pay higher than the average salary in Moscow, for the first two years I generally spoke to you. You were probably irritated by the situation with Natalia ?! Of course, the expression "promptly sent for tickets" is emotional, but, you must agree, there is no need to talk about these topics in my house at all, that's what it was decided. The previous respondent answered, he really is Jamal Yuryevich!
    3. diver1977
      diver1977 April 15 2014 09: 37
      +7
      Kipelova listen)
      By the way, Jamal, supposedly living at your place, is not Kazakh, I will tell you a secret. For this name is never Kazakh. With the same success, I can argue that the Russian guy Dietrich works as a tractor driver on our collective farm)))
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 15 2014 09: 57
        +4
        Quote: diver1977
        By the way, Jamal, supposedly living at your place, is not Kazakh, I will tell you a secret. For this name is never Kazakh.


        Plus
      2. Nekarmadlen
        Nekarmadlen April 15 2014 10: 14
        0
        Quote: diver1977
        Kipelova listen)
        By the way, Jamal, supposedly living at your place, is not Kazakh, I will tell you a secret. For this name is never Kazakh. With the same success, I can argue that the Russian guy Dietrich works as a tractor driver on our collective farm)))

        You probably giggle now, but he is also Jamal Yuryevich, I can send a scan of the passport. Well, so that the option with supposedly flew like plywood over Paris.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran April 15 2014 10: 28
          +2
          Quote: Nekarmadlen

          You probably giggle now, but he is also Jamal Yurievich


          There is the name Jamal, but it is feminine.
  • kush62
    kush62 April 14 2014 10: 12
    +5
    And let's give Tatarstan independence with the capital in Kazan? Well ... well ... weak?

    Does he need her? And from whom is independence, from ourselves?
  • Turdaun
    Turdaun April 14 2014 10: 39
    +3
    Off topic. In the EurAsEC alliance is power.
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz April 14 2014 10: 42
    +3
    Quote: antibanukuraza
    And let's give Tatarstan independence with the capital in Kazan? Well ... well ... weak?

    Breaking - not building. And let you move around the city on one front left wheel, or is it still more convenient to drive the whole car?
  • Kasym
    Kasym April 14 2014 22: 23
    +9
    I would have all the opponents (and this is usually young people) of this venerable aksakal (author) for one dastarkhan planted with him. I would have looked how they were scattered with insults. And the parents of these opponents would be ashamed of their children.
    Aksakal's article on unity. The fact that together we are power is difficult even for Russia alone. And Kazakhstan will simply be swallowed alone, without options. Or, following the example of many, they will simply turn it into controlled chaos and push it to the bottom.
    And under each other’s wing, for 800 years, the Turks and Slavs have survived, and have vast territories. This is our story. It also shows that together we can threaten the status of a superpower and even a united Europe (Napoleon and Hitler) could not do anything.
    Traitors and "mankurt without a core" are those who are ready to deny it. hi
    1. Semurg
      Semurg April 14 2014 22: 37
      +6
      Quote: Kasym
      I would have all the opponents (and this is usually young people) of this venerable aksakal (author) for one dastarkhan planted with him. I would have looked how they were scattered with insults. And the parents of these opponents would be ashamed of their children.
      Aksakal's article on unity. The fact that together we are power is difficult even for Russia alone. And Kazakhstan will simply be swallowed alone, without options. Or, following the example of many, they will simply turn it into controlled chaos and push it to the bottom.
      And under each other’s wing, for 800 years, the Turks and Slavs have survived, and have vast territories. This is our story. It also shows that together we can threaten the status of a superpower and even a united Europe (Napoleon and Hitler) could not do anything.
      Traitors and "mankurt without a core" are those who are ready to deny it. hi

      Down there, along the "Swamps" branch, I posted an interesting information about the author (or namesake), so it may not be necessary to put our youth at the same table with this aksakal, otherwise they suddenly need to get enough of him, and then explain to them that "gray hair in a beard is crazy edge".
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 14 2014 22: 40
        +4
        Quote: Semurg
        Down there, along the "Swamps" branch, I posted an interesting info about the author (or namesake)


        This is not a namesake, but a complete namesake, and from one city, that is, with a probability of 90 percent, this is the author. smile
        1. Kasym
          Kasym April 14 2014 23: 09
          +1
          I'm not talking about that. Teach or teach. And about the insults. Most likely they would have sat quietly. And here they are bold. "Traitor" etc .. hi
          PS My neighbor is one elder. When you meet him - write everything is gone. Half an hour can teach life. You just wave your mane. So what to do ? laughing
          1. Zymran
            Zymran April 14 2014 23: 17
            +2
            Quote: Kasym
            I'm not talking about that. Teach or teach. And about the insults. Most likely they would have sat quietly. And here they are bold. "Traitor" etc ..


            Most likely they would not have sat at the same table with the person convicted of such an article.
            1. Kasym
              Kasym April 14 2014 23: 44
              +5
              Hi, Semurg and Zymran. I often wonder about the sovereignty and independence of Kazakhstan.
              To do this, you need to have a self-sufficient defense industry and army. Will we pull or not? Obviously, this is a task for generations and high costs, which often do not pay off. For example R&D. And it is also coupled or proportional to the scientific and technical level of the state. That is, education and scientific and technological potential in the country.
              Even under the USSR, we have only just begun to receive national scientific personnel of "good quality." And then everything collapsed. That is, the scientific potential is very low - for example, in KazGu, they are very reluctant to go to applied faculties. The prestige is very low.
              That is, we cannot be completely independent and sovereign (in the literal sense of the word). It is impossible to develop without serious sales markets. For our own needs, we need half the grain, a third of the extracted oil, and we do not consume uranium. Like it or not, the best way out with Russia. China ... you understand. There are no Uzbeks yet. So only the Union with the Russian Federation. hi
              1. Beck
                Beck April 15 2014 00: 04
                +4
                Quote: Kasym
                I often wonder about the sovereignty and independence of Kazakhstan.
                To do this, you need to have a self-sufficient defense industry and army


                Sovereignty and independence is not a synonym for an advanced developed country (England, Russia, China) and even more so it is not defined, in the modern world, by the military-industrial complex and the army. They are needed, but they do not determine sovereignty.

                There are about ten armies in the world with which it makes no sense to fight, but this does not mean that the other two hundred countries of the world do not have sovereignty and independence. There are many countries in which the army is like a free application to sovereignty, but sovereignty does not disappear.

                And do not confuse sovereignty with mutual dependence, in the present, in our era of globalization. The whole world is now interconnected and interconnected, but this does not mean that independence is canceled.
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    3. Turkir
      Turkir April 15 2014 00: 16
      0
      I just wanted to write and I read your comment.
      Why shouldn’t I write, you are already all they wrote for me. Thank.
      I, in the comments above, therefore asked the question: How old are you?
      good
    4. Stanislas
      Stanislas April 15 2014 11: 51
      0
      Quote: Kasym
      Aksakal's article on unity
      Right! Moreover, about the unity that should be cherished, because it was created in the mortal struggle against the Euro-fascists, who today are trying to fuck us one by one, and in building the world super-power of the USSR, which opened the door to space for man.
      1. Beck
        Beck April 15 2014 13: 44
        +3
        Quote: Stanislav
        in the mortal struggle with the eurofascists who today are trying to fuck us one by one


        Absolute nonsense based on justifying the neo-imperial thinking of those yearning for the legacy of the Russian Empire. Although the times of colonial empires have passed, in the history of mankind, in the middle of the 20th century. The colonial powers of England, France, Holland, Belgium and others have ceased to exist and independent states exist on the territories of their former colonies. In the early 90s, the legacy of the colonial Russian Empire of the USSR ceased to exist. And now, people who have been slighted in their "greatness" are grieving and grieving. And they yearn not for a SINGLE COUNTRY of the USSR, but for the former Empire. And these are two big differences. And they grieve not about equality, but about the loss of hegemony.

        Therefore, they come up with all sorts of stigmas, in their defense, and inflict it on everyone in the district. So what can Eurofashism be like in Europe today?

        Big Russian Legal Encyclopedia.

        FASCISM (Italian fascismo, from Italian fascio - bundle, bundle, unification) - ideology, political movement and social practice, which are characterized by the following signs and features: justification on the basis of racial superiority and exclusivity of one, proclaimed by virtue of this, the ruling nation; intolerance and discrimination towards other "alien", "hostile" nations and national minorities; denial of democracy and human rights; the imposition of a regime based on the principles of totalitarian-corporate statehood, one-party system and leaderism; asserting violence and terror in order to suppress a political enemy and any form of dissent; the militarization of society, the creation of paramilitaries and the justification of war as a means of solving interstate problems.

        And what signs of fascism, at the moment, are suitable for Europe? Laughter and Woe.

        And who does Europe want to fuck? Well, I don’t feel, here in Kazakhstan, that Denmark or Austria, Norway or Italy want to fuck us. It’s the Russian artists who want to fuck the territory of Kazakhstan, their claims are about half full of this site.

        Urashniki perceive the Eurasian Economic Community as a revival of the former Soviet Union with a dictate from the Kremlin, but it should be perceived as an EQUAL UNION of two or more independent and sovereign states. Then everything will fall into place.
        1. Rasputin
          Rasputin April 16 2014 21: 21
          +2
          Beck, you are one of not many who soberly judges. The bulk is in dangerous fumes. Let not those who remember the time of developed socialism remember, with empty counters, with lines for everything, with telephone communications at the level of the 17th year and many other delights of the owls. By a fortunate coincidence, there was no civil war, and this is to the credit of Elbasy.
          We remember how the EBN drunkard proclaimed the union of the Slavic states. Then the question of the Kazakhs was not at all. The author of the "poklonnaya" bashfully kept silent about this, how the Slavs openly ignored the most loyal republic, and threw it in Russian!
        2. Stanislas
          Stanislas April 16 2014 22: 47
          -2
          Quote: Beck
          And what signs of fascism, at the moment, are suitable for Europe? Laughter and Woe.
          Your source has even grammatical errors.
          discrimination against other "alien", "hostile" nations
          However, the Ukrainian acting. authorities do not see this? And at the moment, Europe's support for this acting. the authorities are watching? And before that, was it not she who supported the Fuhrer? Even earlier, she brought her fascism to America in the form of Protestants, did they treat the Indians without exception? Didn't Obama declare the exclusiveness of the American nation? Or does Europe not support Obama? Maybe the concept of the "golden billion" was invented in the Russian Empire? You say you haven't made it to Kazakhstan? Maybe someone is bothering them? And laughter and grief, I agree.
  • tokin1959
    tokin1959 April 14 2014 09: 44
    +7
    then learn chinese.
    1. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 20
      -16%
      :) Chinese just right to teach us all. you are no exception ... or your children ... or grandchildren ...
  • Kazakh families
    Kazakh families April 14 2014 10: 21
    +16
    Aldo! You have a pseudonym like a homosexual, are you Kazakh at all? ... Are you also striving for Europe backwards ?. Don’t disgrace, damn it! You grow and grow up to such people! I also Kazakh - Bandera found.
    1. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 28
      -2
      Banu Quraiza is a Jewish tribe distinguished by treachery, betrayal and deceit. "anti" is understandable even without a pointer. I am Kazakh, an Albanian from the Senior Zhuz. I don't aspire to Geyropu, I hate Bandera fiercely. I value my land and freedom. Any statements regarding independence, freedom, faith, culture and traditions of my people I take extremely painfully. Not homosexual, married, have children.
      1. Kazakh families
        Kazakh families April 14 2014 10: 44
        +14
        Yes, I wrote this comment to you, although you, too, have the same field of berry with Aldo! Not that you value your land if you cannot listen to the aksakal, but threaten to drive him out of the house for his words ... Mankurts - it seems you and Aldo. We want to occupy a worthy place in the Eurasian Union, so we need to exert ourselves, learn to compete, achieve respect with our work, abilities, determination, and not stupidly trade our land and mineral resources, like stakes in the game, you’ll stupid, they will take everything away and not ask your opinion. What remains of our ancestors should be a contribution to the common thing with the Russians! And for this contribution to benefit our children need to work and earn their rightful place in the Eurasian Union! With your tantrums about independence, etc., you will lead Kazakhstan into a dead end, although there is no dead end, it simply will not!
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko April 14 2014 10: 54
        +9
        Quote: antibanukuraza
        Any statements regarding the independence, freedom, faith, culture and tradition of my people are extremely painful. Not a homosexual, married, have children.

        Dear you "our" person.
        Have you accidentally mistaken the address?
        For all the listed "values" you need to go to Western resources and speak. They have this in abundance there, and they diligently spread it around the world and distribute it and value immeasures!
        Although
        Quote: antibanukuraza
        Not homosexual
        immediately put an end to all possible future.
        Ah, the wing of the falcon broke, but how it flew, and how it started.
      3. sergey72
        sergey72 April 14 2014 11: 53
        +7
        Quote: antibanukuraza
        I am Kazakh, an Alban from the Elder Zhuz.

        Ohhhh! Pancake! Here it was necessary to begin!
      4. koshh
        koshh April 14 2014 21: 07
        -1
        Quote: antibanukuraza
        I am Kazakh, an Alban from the Elder Zhuz.

        But do you still have a feudal system? I have been to Kazakhstan, I have seen the relationship between zhuzes. An elder never takes off his hat (everyone in the hat is an elder zhuz), has the right to wipe his boots on the back of a younger zhuz, etc. And do you think that this is the freedom of the Kazakhs?
        1. Zymran
          Zymran April 14 2014 21: 08
          +4
          Quote: koshh
          But do you still have a feudal system? I have been to Kazakhstan, I have seen the relationship between zhuzes. An elder never takes off his hat (everyone in the hat is an elder zhuz), has the right to wipe his boots on the back of a younger zhuz, etc. And do you think that this is the freedom of the Kazakhs?


          Bullshit. And few people wear hats now, but for some girls they go.
        2. Semurg
          Semurg April 14 2014 21: 40
          +8
          Quote: koshh
          Quote: antibanukuraza
          I am Kazakh, an Alban from the Elder Zhuz.

          But do you still have a feudal system? I have been to Kazakhstan, I have seen the relationship between zhuzes. An elder never takes off his hat (everyone in the hat is an elder zhuz), has the right to wipe his boots on the back of a younger zhuz, etc. And do you think that this is the freedom of the Kazakhs?

          And they wear raspberry-colored pants and they do everything to them twice laughing generally burn
          1. Zymran
            Zymran April 14 2014 21: 41
            +6
            Quote: Semurg
            And they wear raspberry-colored pants and they do everything to them twice.


            And they constantly jump.
        3. Nekarmadlen
          Nekarmadlen April 15 2014 04: 21
          +1
          Quote: koshh
          Quote: antibanukuraza
          I am Kazakh, an Alban from the Elder Zhuz.

          But do you still have a feudal system? I have been to Kazakhstan, I have seen the relationship between zhuzes. An elder never takes off his hat (everyone in the hat is an elder zhuz), has the right to wipe his boots on the back of a younger zhuz, etc. And do you think that this is the freedom of the Kazakhs?

          Is it true?
        4. diver1977
          diver1977 April 15 2014 10: 04
          +4
          Ahahahaha))) What nonsense about the hat) In general, it would be cool to make everyone from the senior zhuz wear a cowboy hat)))

          Throwing comments deliver immensely! Are you so led to this trolling?)))
          1. Zymran
            Zymran April 15 2014 10: 11
            +1
            Quote: diver1977
            Ahahahaha))) What nonsense about the hat) In general, it would be cool to make everyone from the senior zhuz wear a cowboy hat)))


            NAS will be stunned and two-thirds of the government with him. laughing
      5. koshh
        koshh April 14 2014 21: 23
        +2
        I have nothing against your personal opinion. Indeed, Kazakhstan today is a separate independent country, which Russia created after the revolution. To unite or not is the right of the Kazakh people. And if one Kazakh expressed his opinion and vision of the future, this should not cause such rejection and hatred among other Kazakhs (specifically you). Understand correctly, if someone wants to, he can pour a lot of dirt and slop into the relations between Russians and Kazakhs. We must relate (and I do) to each other not by nationality, but by human qualities - such as friendship, loyalty to each other, mutual respect. And then there will be no problems.
      6. Turkir
        Turkir April 15 2014 00: 36
        +2
        extremely painful - This is for teenagers, and you are already a man.
        And yet, it is one thing to listen to speech, another to read. Some jokes, jokes, are not understood in writing, even by Russian readers, I have long noticed. You’ll write a little wrong and they misunderstand you.
        We must learn to ALL of us to be able to prove calmly with facts, and not with crackling phrases.
        Man wrote from the heart, this is important.
        And do not stick labels on the person, he’s not a can of canned food: Sprats in oil.
      7. yulka2980
        yulka2980 April 15 2014 08: 59
        0
        It is not strange, one does not exclude the other (I'm talking about my wife and children) laughing I don’t understand one thing, who is encroaching on the freedom of the Kazakhs? Give specific examples
  • Turdaun
    Turdaun April 14 2014 10: 36
    +8
    Why insult a respectable person? He expressed his opinion. Personal opinion, while not saying anything bad. The patriot is real. Thinks deeply.
  • Kazakh families
    Kazakh families April 14 2014 10: 52
    +5
    you yourself are a "fifth column", even more likely a "sixth column" - six ovskaya, what for "Aldo" - homosexual or what?
  • DS22
    DS22 April 14 2014 17: 33
    +1
    Speak without a rod? Would you have a pivot when the Russians saved your people from the Dzungars by the blood of their soldiers? Did you have a pivot when talented and purposeful Russian people voluntarily traveled to Kazakhstan to get you out of the Middle Ages, not sparing your health and life to build modern cities and industry for you? So you still need to see who the patriot of Kazakhstan is: Khabiev Kamalkhan Khamitovich, a person who remembers and honors our common history, or you, mired in pseudo-nationalism!
    1. Aldo
      Aldo April 15 2014 06: 31
      +1
      write the answer in the posts. nothing to say. And about the Dzungars you are lying, we drove them ourselves.
    2. Netrocker
      Netrocker April 15 2014 10: 54
      +6
      Bullshit does not have to drive that! What is one battle where a Russian soldier fought for the Kazakh Khanate against the Dzungars? It won’t work out, since it never happened! But the fact that Russian officers trained the Dzungar in artillery was a fact! As well as the fact that Russia supplied them with guns ... And by the way, when the Dzungars fought with the Kazakhs, these same Dzungars were subject to Russian tsars ...
  • GradusHuK
    GradusHuK April 14 2014 19: 38
    0
    Aldo which sectors will you be from?
    1. Aldo
      Aldo April 15 2014 06: 31
      +2
      I am from the Kazakh sector, but do not worry, do not worry.
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana April 15 2014 09: 23
    -6
    Here are people like you who arrange Maidans. You are the true traitors.
    1. Aldo
      Aldo April 15 2014 10: 59
      +4
      unfounded accusations! So try now in the Russian Federation to say that it will merge with someone and give power to another, who will you be then?
  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist April 16 2014 21: 46
    -2
    Quote: Aldo
    do not perceive the will of one traitor as the will of the whole people. This is one of the members of the fifth column of Kazakhstan. Mankurt is unhappy without a nation and without a core.

    Well, why should it be so shameless? Yes, under the words of the author, about a million more people living in Kazakhstan will subscribe! But under yours ... only the national patrons and the "titular nation".
    1. Aldo
      Aldo April 17 2014 06: 41
      +2
      a million people are not all of Kazakhstan. Most support independence. In the Russian Federation, one million Chechens will sign independence. Will you let them go? I doubt.
  • Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx April 14 2014 09: 29
    +6
    Well said!
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian April 14 2014 09: 37
    +25
    Quote: Aldo
    do not perceive the will of one traitor as the will of the whole people. This is one of the members of the fifth column of Kazakhstan. Mankurt is unhappy without a nation and without a core.

    Respected! You grow spiritually and morally before this person has at least the next life. And your mind is not far, since you consider such people traitors !!!
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 09: 40
    -25%
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Quote: Aldo
    do not perceive the will of one traitor as the will of the whole people. This is one of the members of the fifth column of Kazakhstan. Mankurt is unhappy without a nation and without a core.

    Respected! You grow spiritually and morally before this person has at least the next life. And your mind is not far, since you consider such people traitors !!!


    not for you to judge my mind a Scandinavian traitor! If you're so smart, what are you doing in Kazakhstan? all "smart" Europeans have been working in Europe for a long time ...
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 April 14 2014 09: 45
      +9
      Something you all have traitors. Are you the most patriotic?
    2. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian April 14 2014 09: 55
      +12
      You don’t reproach me with Russia, I see you are the complete embodiment of Mambet from the south ... it’s definitely so aggressive since Texas ... I was born here and here in Kazakhstan, my parents raised me and this is my same Motherland for me as for you - dives are not educated.
      1. antibanukurayza
        antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 18
        -8
        Do you know the meaning of the word "mambet?" Or in your vocabulary, this word shows backwardness, ignorance and illiteracy?
        Well then, know that "mambet" is nothing more than "mahambet", and mahambet is the name of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) paraphrased in the Kazakh way. Do not be like ignoramuses and call things by their proper names.
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian April 14 2014 10: 23
          +5
          Respected! Tell me, get on to the one who next time calls you a mambet and also acts diplomatically and don’t be offended by him, you are trying to chew suyra and guyra and hang it on my ears .... Sorry, I won’t ride it!
          1. antibanukurayza
            antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 29
            -7
            I feel sorry for you...
            1. Scandinavian
              Scandinavian April 14 2014 10: 30
              +2
              I do not need your pity ...
        2. diver1977
          diver1977 April 15 2014 10: 07
          +1
          Do not carry nonsense, turanchoks.
          "Congratulations, Tuzik, you are a dunce" (c)
      2. Atash
        Atash April 14 2014 14: 49
        +5
        And what immediately "south, texas"? .. A little bit immediately "south, southern version", and the rest are all white and fluffy ...
    3. roskaz
      roskaz April 14 2014 19: 24
      -2
      hear the wise guy my grandfather Kazakhstan raised and hunched over in the mine and you ask what we are doing here.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 09: 45
    -24%
    Quote: CU-3
    Quote: Aldo
    do not perceive the will of one traitor as the will of the whole people. This is one of the members of the fifth column of Kazakhstan. Mankurt is unhappy without a nation and without a core.

    What is the betrayal? Will you also start a Bandera song about the fact that all sins are to blame? How hard was it for you during the Union and how was everyone fed?


    we were much worse off under the USSR. They poisoned us with atomic bombs, the desertification of the Aral Sea, the dominance of Russians, assimilation, etc. ... Do not think that under the USSR everyone was fine as a Russian.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 14 2014 09: 56
      +5
      Quote: Aldo
      we were much worse off under the USSR.

      ??
      Quote: Aldo
      desertification of the Aral

      belay
      Quote: Aldo
      dominance of Russians, assimilation, etc.


      fool
      Quote: Aldo
      Do not think that under the USSR everyone was fine as a Russian.

      laughing
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 April 14 2014 19: 02
        0
        Quote: sergey72
        Quote: Aldo
        Do not think that under the USSR everyone was fine as a Russian.

        laughing

        So I neighing hi
    2. Warhead-xnumx
      Warhead-xnumx April 14 2014 10: 07
      +14
      Quote: Aldo
      Quote: CU-3
      Quote: Aldo
      do not perceive the will of one traitor as the will of the whole people. This is one of the members of the fifth column of Kazakhstan. Mankurt is unhappy without a nation and without a core.

      What is the betrayal? Will you also start a Bandera song about the fact that all sins are to blame? How hard was it for you during the Union and how was everyone fed?


      we were much worse off under the USSR. They poisoned us with atomic bombs, the desertification of the Aral Sea, the dominance of Russians, assimilation, etc. ... Do not think that under the USSR everyone was fine as a Russian.


      In Russia, there were and still are many nuclear test sites (Novaya Zemlya, Kamchatka, we have an active burial place for the sake of Primorye). You see only the bad, but not a word about the emergence of industry, education, agriculture (the rise of tsilina) of Kazakhstan under the Union. The dominance of Russian? Well, there will be a dominance of the Chinese, in Primorye we will soon have more of them than Russians will be and the longer they live here the more greyhounds they become. I generally am silent about the soil contamination on which they grow vegetables with tons of pesticides. Can you tell me that you don’t have them now?
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 April 14 2014 10: 11
        +2
        Quote: CU-3
        In Russia, there were and still are many nuclear test sites (Novaya Zemlya, Kamchatka, we have an active burial place for the sake of Primorye).

        We have a famous plant "Khimkontsentrat" ​​in Novosibirsk (former plant Novosibirsk-80) with a burial ground attached to it, by the way I live not far from it ...
        1. SIBUR-DV
          SIBUR-DV April 14 2014 22: 45
          0
          in Sokur or Barlak?
    3. Andryukha Siberian
      Andryukha Siberian April 14 2014 11: 05
      0
      You are confusing something a bit. Actually, bombs explode and poison with dichlorvos.
    4. Evgeniy-111
      Evgeniy-111 April 14 2014 11: 56
      0
      And the Chinese will just eat you! And they will be much better off than the Russians under the USSR! Without the "dominance" of Russians, they would have lived in the 19th century until now!
      1. Atash
        Atash April 14 2014 14: 52
        +2
        Maybe the Kazakhs lived better in the 19th century than they are now.
    5. roskaz
      roskaz April 14 2014 19: 25
      0
      during the ussr from collective farms and villages people did not rush into cities!
  • antibanukurayza
    antibanukurayza April 14 2014 09: 46
    -31%
    Khabiev Kamalkhan Hamitovich, unhappy. Such as you need to bury in Russia. In Kazakhstan, there is no grave for you.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 09: 56
      +7
      the Russians will leave - the Chinese will come, you will live again in the yurt.
      start learning the language of the Chinese host.
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 April 14 2014 10: 00
        +2
        Quote: tokin1959
        start learning the language of the Chinese host.

        It’s better to study the device of the Kalashnikov assault rifle ...
        1. tokin1959
          tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 02
          -2
          against the Chinese, the Kazakhs and the Kalashnikov atomic machine will not help.
    2. Kazakh families
      Kazakh families April 14 2014 10: 29
      +15
      Allah will give! Graves in Kazakhstan will not be with people like you! All Natsik, confirmed by Ukraine, sheep narrow-minded. You are not even able to learn from the experience of others ... God forbid, because of people like you we will learn from our own experience ...
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 April 14 2014 11: 45
        +4
        Your words to Allah in your ears ...
        Quote: Kazakh families
        Allah will give! Graves in Kazakhstan will not be with people like you!

        Quote: Kazakh families
        All Natsik, confirmed by Ukraine, sheep narrow-minded. You are not even able to learn from the experience of others ... God forbid, because of people like you we will learn from our own experience ... good

        These words must be carved in stone for all the Nazis ...
      2. Semurg
        Semurg April 14 2014 14: 08
        +5
        Quote: Kazakh families
        Allah will give! Graves in Kazakhstan will not be with people like you! All Natsik, confirmed by Ukraine, sheep narrow-minded.

        why are you mom’s dad so angry? laughing ? Already he called his opponents homosexual and rams and managed to curse, or did the Kazakhs of Semey in their neighbors become infected with the slogan "who is not with us is against us" and insults? Or are you not Kazakh at all and not from Semey? Now on the Kaz. sites, many such pseudo-Kazakhs have appeared and all have such sonorous nicknames.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran April 14 2014 19: 42
          +2
          Yes, I was warned by one person that there would be a furious attack by the Kremlin Bots and Nurobots.
        2. Netrocker
          Netrocker April 15 2014 10: 58
          +4
          Yes, he is the same Kazakh from the family as Tymoshenko Khokhlushka! laughing
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    3. Turdaun
      Turdaun April 14 2014 10: 51
      +11
      Why are you doing this? According to the Qur'an, one cannot wish a person death. Especially to such a veteran aksakal! I think you went to the wrong site! I am a patriot of my country (RK) and I see the only way to survive my country and people in alliance with Russia. We have a lot of enemies. Common enemies ...
      1. Kazakh families
        Kazakh families April 14 2014 10: 55
        +6
        Yes, I did not write this to the aksakal. This comment is for a ram under the nickname "Antibanukureiza". I support the aksakal 100%!
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 April 14 2014 11: 48
          +4
          Quote: Kazakh families
          Yes, I did not write this to the aksakal. This comment is for a ram under the nickname "Antibanukureiza".

          Thanks, Guys !!!
        2. Turdaun
          Turdaun April 14 2014 12: 35
          +2
          So I wrote to him too! hi
        3. antibanukurayza
          antibanukurayza April 14 2014 14: 41
          +3
          Do you really agree to take and give everything to Russia like this? Are you not satisfied with such concepts as "strategic partnership", "union states", "independence"? It somehow became fashionable to accuse everyone of Nazism. I did not write here: "Kazakhstan to Kazakhs" or "Hands off Kazakhstan" and similar statements. You are Kazakh from Semey, so value what you have and see at the root of the article. This aksakal calls on Russia to annex Kazakhstan to itself. How do you like this prospect? And remember Allah not only when you feel bad or when you write a response comment. Bizdin egemendigimiz - ata babalarymyzdyk Alladan tilegen tilelekteri. Allah suraғan tauқa adamғa suraғanyn beredi. Eger ata-babamizdan Kalgan zherimizdi, medenietimizdi amanat dep. Tanymay, kuringennnin koltykynyna salyp bersek kiyamette kalay zhauap beremiz? Semeydin tobyktysynan shygan Abay khkimnin Gara Alederin ony, Baytursynovtyk, Aymauytovtyk "Kazakhym" dep. Bozdap zhylap ketken enbekterin ony. Sol kesde mүmkin zhuregine bir nәrse kirer. Ashynyp kettim! Kazakh endi Kazakh bolyp kele zhatganda orys memleketine kosyp al degen! Ol aқsaқal ma? Aқ saқaldy abyzdar atalyk danalygymen erlerdi zhigerlendirgen, khalyқty rukhtandyran, almynau "aқsaқal" degen Kazaktyk ataғyna da layyқty emes!
          1. bmw777
            bmw777 April 14 2014 21: 14
            +4
            bauyrym rizamyn saғan! alғan betten қaitpa.
      2. Beck
        Beck April 14 2014 22: 53
        +3
        Quote: Turdahun
        I am a patriot of my country (RK) and I see the only way to survive my country and people in alliance with Russia.


        EQUAL UNION, not what the Kremlin wants. The Kremlin wants to restore the imperial past and Putin is engaged in non-gathering of lands. And faith in the Kremlin's promises was shaken. He promised in exchange for nuclear disarmament of Ukraine its territorial integrity and broke the oath. The Kremlin also promised Kazakhstan territorial inviolability for nuclear disarmament and how can we believe this after Ukraine? The Kremlin will give in to the calls to "return the ancestral territories of Rus" (northern regions of Kazakhstan), of which this site is full and what? And the scenario has already been worked out - the introduction of troops, a referendum "on bayonets", alienation.

        And do not confuse Friendship, Neighborhood, Mutual Assistance with Sovereignty and Independence. True friendship is possible only between equals.
        1. andj61
          andj61 April 15 2014 14: 19
          0
          Listen, don’t get hung up on this. No one needs Kazakhstan to conquer, referent, etc. If your oligarchs will continue the same policy, turning into new bays, then the Kazakhs themselves, especially the northern ones, who have already lived in peace with the Russians since the time of Ivan the Terrible, will decide to unite with us. I studied in the 70-80s in Moscow, all 5,5 years lived in the same room with a Kazakh - we did not have any international problems. Although we discussed transnational issues, thanks to him I discovered Olzhas Suleimenov. By the way, I recommend his book Az and Ya to everyone. But the southern Kazakhs differed from the northern ones back in Soviet times. They then had and still have natural bais. But this is not a cross-national issue, and economic and cultural.
          1. Beck
            Beck April 15 2014 14: 50
            +4
            Quote: andj61
            No one needs to conquer, referent, Kazakhstan, etc.


            What is your first time on the site? That you have not read the comments of the Urashniks about the "primordially" Russian lands of the north of Kazakhstan with the demand to return them? You tell them not to get hung up. This is our answer to their absurdity with a brush.

            And what kind of buy? What kind of feudal vocabulary? The oligarchs are Yes. Or you don’t have oligarchs, but landowners with world-eaters.

            And I'm talking about the politics of the Kremlin, and not about the whole of Russia.

            On other pages I have written repeatedly. That it was not we who chose our neighbor, but history. And the Turks with the Slavs lived side by side for two millennia. And it was good and bad, but that is history. It was so, it was so. And you don't need to mask your longing for "greatness" with invented equality under Tsarism and the Soviets.

            Slavs and Turks lived in one state for more than five hundred years - 300 years in the Golden Horde, 175 years in the Russian Empire, 74 years in the USSR. And they ruled one or the other, but this is all history. And now it is not worthwhile to rely only on pages of history that are advantageous for Russia.

            The Russian people gave a lot to my people, but not the Winter Palace or the Kremlin. And if you live in the new Eurasian Economic Union, then you need to end conversations about "primordially" Russian lands, which are known what turned out to be in Ukraine. Do you give a guarantee that one day Putin, getting up on the wrong foot and listening to the cries of the Urashniks, will not give the order to send troops into Northern Kazakhstan? You say or think not. But a similar thing happened in Ukraine.

            Of course, there are renegades who want to give the independence of their people, only just regained to the Kremlin. There will be renegades who are ready to give independence to China or Iran. So it’s not people, but renegades.

            That’s why I’m saying only an EQUAL UNION, and not a reconstruction of the USSR.
            1. andj61
              andj61 April 15 2014 17: 20
              0
              There is no need to mix Ukraine and Kazakhstan. We are one people with the Ukrainians (Orthodox). I myself am Russian (according to my passport) with a Ukrainian surname, whose ancestors have always (at least 400 years old) lived where I live now - on the border of three republics. At the same time, 350-370 years ago, my ancestors fought with the ancestors of today's "Westerners" - Uniats and Poles - Catholics for the right to live on their land, pray according to their own custom, and speak their own language. My ancestors forced the transfer from the peasants into the Cossacks (registered) from the Polish king. I asked my great-grandfather, who was born in the 19th century, what nationality are you, Russian, Ukrainian or Belarusian? He replied that we are all Orthodox Russians, but almost every village speaks our own language (that's for sure, back in the 70s it was). I believe that in Ukraine the conflict is not national (Ukrainians-Russians), but civilizational - a continuation of the long-standing conflict between the Eurasian East and the Catholic West.
              With Kazakhstan, everything is completely different. There we have nothing to share, and stupid. As for the bais: I saw a couple of real, Soviet, back in the early 80s (from South Kazakhstan). Then Kazakh friends explained to me that the Kazakhs, like the Russians, are gouging, that we are related, and that they are bad Muslims, because never been conquered (religion accepted voluntarily). This also brings us together. But they did not attribute this to the southern Kazakhs, whose mentality is close to Uzbek. I was then struck by the difference within one people - both external (can be distinguished) and internal. Then I talked with the northern or Alma-Ata Kazakhs. By the way, the Alma-Ata Kazakhs in Soviet times, in my opinion, were not Kazakhs either. These were Russians with an Asian appearance.
              I’ve only been on the site for a week.
              And Putin doesn’t think about it. Look what was 23 years old in Ukraine, what is happening now. Do you think that people just rebel? This is the result of shortsighted rule. Do you think people in Crimea were against it? Only Crimean Tatars, and even half, but they won. I support the annexation of Crimea, but I do not think that there is anyone in the world who could repeat such an act.
              Or do you think that Nursultan Abishevich is short-sighted? Yes, he will give a hundred points ahead even to Putin, who over the past few years has become so popular all over the world, will give. He was the first in the territory of the former Union to create a combat-ready, mobile, well-equipped and trained army, which served as a model for Putin. For 23 years he has painstakingly pursued a policy of creating the Kazakh people, and he succeeds.
              And Kazakhstan’s independence can be attempted only by people on the net who know nothing about the country or people.
              But in China, through a generation, neither Kazakhs nor Russians will remain. If in the desert Xinjiang (where the Chinese didn’t live at all) there are now more Chinese than the Uyghurs, then they will instantly conceive fertile Kazakhstan.
              In Russia beyond the Urals, about 20 million people (including all nationalities) are all over Siberia and the Far East, and, unfortunately, there will be no birthrate explosion. We do not need territory, we would have to keep our own.
              And an equal union is and will be. If only in the future we were lucky with smart leaders.
              1. Beck
                Beck April 15 2014 22: 37
                +2
                Quote: andj61
                With Ukrainians (Orthodox) we are one people.


                One people, when both sides recognize it. Ukrainians do not think so. And in general, they live as they want, they want in the EU, for us, everyone, what matters. So you want to move to Vologda - I do not care about that.

                Quote: andj61
                Do not mix Ukraine and Kazakhstan.


                Is that in what sense? By genotype, yes, by habit, yes, by mentality, yes. But Ukraine and I are the same before the terrible threat of taking our land.

                Quote: andj61
                And Putin doesn’t think about it.


                And who says Putin is d ... k? He is of imperial thinking and this thinking is instilled in the KGB education.

                Quote: andj61
                Joining Crimea I support


                Well, okay. By and large, Crimea in the 60 years was unjust, but was legally transferred to Ukraine. And in order to return it, it would be possible to apply other methods, rather than forcible alienation in violation of all international codes.

                The question arises in what other ways. The first thing that comes to mind is Talksso that there was Ukraine’s consent to transfer Crimea to Russia, then there would be no violation of treaties by Russia. If this does not help, then Lengthy negotiations. If this is not so, then Long Stubborn Negotiations. In the end make ukraine Proposal which it would be difficult for her to refuse. There are many such proposals in nature, the first thing that comes to mind is to supply Ukraine with gas for free, for the transfer of Crimea, for 5 years, 10 years, 15 years, ... years. Crimea is worth it. Given the current economic situation in Ukraine, it would be difficult for her to refuse.

                Quote: andj61
                Look what was 23 years old in Ukraine, what is happening now.


                And what happened in Ukraine? The power regime of Yanukovych has rotted. The people have displaced him. The dates for new parliamentary and presidential elections have been set. All. And the Kremlin seized the moment to inflate anti-Ukrainian psychosis, calling all the Ukrainian people fascists, chopped off their own affairs. The people of Crimea supposedly voted For. Of course he voted, but you just had to say that Russia could not accept Crimea without violating its own signatures under international protocols. So in the area of ​​New York, Brighton Beach, the Russian-speaking population will vote for joining Russia and that the Kremlin will declare Brighton Beach the subject of the federation?
  • Not angry
    Not angry April 14 2014 09: 47
    +10
    The letter is interesting. But combining into one state is too much. Since it so happened, we should closely cooperate in all areas as good neighbors. Speaking in the everyday language, the union was a communal apartment, and now they have flocked to their apartments. Why return to the communal apartment. And the rest is right. Former Union republics can only survive if you do not tear yourself away from Russia. This fact painfully connects us a lot from history to economics and culture.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 14 2014 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: Not evil
      Former Union republics can only survive if you do not tear yourself away from Russia. This fact painfully connects us a lot from history to economics and culture.

      good drinks
    2. Semurg
      Semurg April 14 2014 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: Not evil
      The letter is interesting. But combining into one state is too much. Since it so happened, we should closely cooperate in all areas as good neighbors. Speaking in the everyday language, the union was a communal apartment, and now they have flocked to their apartments. Why return to the communal apartment. And the rest is right. Former Union republics can only survive if you do not tear yourself away from Russia. This fact painfully connects us a lot from history to economics and culture.

      why argue we have a lot in common and we will not get away from each other purely geographically, but Kazakhstan will cooperate and establish relations with other countries. And as you correctly noted, the common communal apartment in the past, and having your own separate living space, the author of the article sounds strange when he wants to return to the communal apartment (or he has nostalgia for quarrels in the shared kitchen and toilet).
  • saag
    saag April 14 2014 09: 51
    -1
    Not really, definitely, neither under Nazarbayev, nor after him, illusion, utopia, etc. etc.:-)
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 09: 51
    +1
    Quote: Horst78
    Something you all have traitors. Are you the most patriotic?


    If a person stands for the elimination of independence - he is a traitor. But the Scandinav is Kazakhstan, so he is also a traitor! Yes, I am a patriot, I advocate allied relations with Russia no more.
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 April 14 2014 15: 00
      +2
      And if a person stands for the collapse and separation of his state - who is he?
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 14 2014 09: 57
    +4
    I would like for the Russians and Kazakhs to live in the same state, honestly, get the small-town nationalism
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 00
      -5
      Russians gave them statehood, they set up cities, now they have become so important as Borat)))
      1. mackonya
        mackonya April 14 2014 11: 00
        +5
        It is not necessary to say so categorically that the Russians donated statehood and built cities. All this was done by Soviet people, and this already sounds completely different and much more plausible, at that time no one divided the Soviets into Russians and Kazakhs, when everyone was engaged in a common cause. And I probably agree that a small group of people really owns all the wealth and resources in Kazakhstan. They don't even talk about corruption, it becomes almost one of the features of our "mentality" and we have enough lawlessness. Over the past year, there have been many cases when ordinary people are run over on the roads and sometimes with a fatal outcome, and then paid off so as not to be punished. The family of officials not only does not feel impunity, but they brazenly show how much they have stolen while driving around in luxury cars.
      2. Atash
        Atash April 14 2014 15: 13
        +2
        Maybe, we would live perfectly with our own statehood, and we would build cities for ourselves if they were needed.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb April 14 2014 10: 01
      +1
      but can you find out why you need Kazakhs? or the territory of Kazakhstan, influence?
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 09
        +3
        I personally do not need territory, they lived together during the USSR, and were the strongest country. so it should continue, otherwise China will crush, first the Kazakhs, then Russia.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb April 14 2014 10: 34
          +2
          why then a single state? are we unable to create a strong state without the Kazakhs? or a close alliance with Kazakhstan as sovereign states does not make it possible to confront external aggression, a common enemy?
          1. Docent1984
            Docent1984 April 14 2014 15: 06
            +2
            Yes, if there was confidence that this close alliance would not suddenly become "not so close" - then no questions at all. But history shows that sometimes it gets stabbed in the back. I am for the confederation. When only the army, state security and foreign policy are in common. So that it was written in the Constitution that there can be no left-right pirouettes. And even the spirit of the armies of a potential enemy on the territory. And everything that does not concern foreign policy, state security and defense - full independence. Even power structures such as police-militia and everything else. That would be "our answer to Chamberlain"!
            1. Hleb
              Hleb April 14 2014 16: 06
              +1
              Yes, if only there was confidence that this close union would not suddenly become "not so close"
              Well, duck here is the nuance. Does it need influence over the Kazakhs? so that at one point it does not become
              with a knife in the back

              if they answered so immediately, it would be honest and the question would disappear, otherwise friendship, a strong state ...
        2. Beck
          Beck April 14 2014 23: 20
          +4
          Quote: tokin1959
          I personally do not need territory, they lived together during the USSR, and were the strongest country. so it should continue, otherwise China will crush, first the Kazakhs, then Russia.


          That’s such a mantra, a little that China will crush, devour, and crush.

          By and large, China has little interest in Kazakhstan. So, along the way, the general forward movement. China has geopolitical interests and aspirations, and Kazakhstan, for him, is in a series of third countries.

          Well, after all, until now, China has not been crushed, Mongolia is a hundred times weaker than Kazakhstan. The Mongols live, graze cattle, practice sumo, trade with China, and communicate with South Korea. Chinese is not taught, but Chinese consumer goods are worn. So because of this consumer goods, the Mongols didn’t dwell.

          And given the oath of the Kremlin, putting all the chips on the same field is unreasonable. And in order not to be pulled down it is necessary to operate with balances. What Astana is doing - the European Union is good, but China is not bad either. A reasonable balance must be observed.
          1. Turkir
            Turkir April 15 2014 00: 55
            +2
            Honestly, you go too far, with all the crackling statements - And given the oath of the Kremlin, Not tired? Such words must be supported by facts! Accidentally didn’t Erdogan write off?
            -----------
            And from the statement, an old man who lived in a different era. nothing will change. But you, with obstinacy worthy of another application, tear it to shreds and show your level of education. Do you happen to want to kill him?
            1. Beck
              Beck April 15 2014 10: 39
              +4
              Quote: Turkir
              Accidentally didn’t Erdogan write off?


              Quote: Turkir
              Accidentally didn’t Erdogan write off?


              Here, what is the manner of leading the discussion? Initially Do not recognize your opponent’s opinion. According to the old-fashioned and philistine, they say that it’s not him, it’s him - he wrote off Erdogan, the Western mass media have told him this, he’s an agent of the CIA’s influence, he’s working out the money of the State Department, and these are aliens.

              Quote: Turkir
              And given the oath of the Kremlin, not tired? Such words must be supported by facts!


              Actually, I wrote the top comments by default, assuming that the interlocutors had a certain amount of knowledge of history and what any outlook. But ignorance is not a disaster - the trouble is to insist on ignorance. I can illuminate in more detail.

              In the 60 years, Crimea was legally, but humanly unrighteously transferred to Ukraine. While Crimea was under the jurisdiction of Ukraine, Russia signed a bunch of international treaties.

              In 1975, a global community gathered in Helsinki. The summit was held on the initiative of the countries of the socialist community, that is, the USSR and definitely Russia. The Helsinki Agreements defining the Immunity post-war borders.

              The Kremlin vowed not to violate this principle.

              In the mid-90s, the world community faced the problem of the undesirable expansion of the club of nuclear powers represented by Ukraine and Kazakhstan. But agreed. England, Russia, France, China, the United States guarantee Ukraine and Kazakhstan territorial integrity in exchange for nuclear disarmament. This was especially important for Russia, there was no need for Russia so that the two states bordering it had arsenals of nuclear strategic missiles.

              The Kremlin vowed to sign the protocol.

              In 2014, the Kremlin pounced on its signatures and became an oath-breaker, not only guaranteeing immunity, but also took away the lands. I am sure that if Ukraine had not disarmed from nuclear weapons in 1996, today the Kremlin would not have done what it did.

              A precedent has now been created. Now confusion may begin if other countries follow the Kremlin’s example and, having spied on Helsinki, begin redistributing the borders. Hungary will request Transylvania from Romania, where about 2 million Hungarians live. Germany will require Koenigsberg and Alsace. Komi Finland. Kazakhstan has Uzbekistan Karakalpakia. Russia northern regions of Kazakhstan etc.

              You can assume that I wrote off this comment from the leader of the Papuans.
              1. andj61
                andj61 April 15 2014 14: 35
                0
                Pay attention to the words of my deeply respected Nursultan Nazarbayev. And he recently said that Ukraine has not properly designed its borders at the UN in 23 years. Consequently, there are no LEGAL reasons to address international organizations for this. And in 1975, when the Helsinki ACT was signed, neither Ukraine, nor Russia, nor Kazakhstan signed it, there were no such countries! After these countries joined ACTU, it was necessary to completely resolve the issue along the border. Kazakhstan did this, but Ukraine is not completely done.
                Regarding the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine in 1996, it was even simpler. Ukraine could not use this weapon! Access codes were in Russia. Ukraine just sold a useless toy to Russia. Yes, and the maintenance and current maintenance of the money was worth it.
                1. Beck
                  Beck April 15 2014 15: 15
                  0
                  Quote: andj61
                  And in 1975, when the Helsinki ACT was signed, neither Ukraine, nor Russia, nor Kazakhstan signed it, there were no such countries! After these countries joined ACTU, it was necessary to completely resolve the issue along the border. Kazakhstan did this, but Ukraine is not completely done.


                  Do not make excuses. Helsinki provided for not only state borders, but also administrative borders within states. The borders of the republics, unified at that time, Yugoslavia, the borders of the republics of the USSR, the administrative border between the Czech Republic and Slovakia in unitary Czechoslovakia, along which in the 90s they peacefully dispersed.

                  Quote: andj61
                  Regarding the nuclear disarmament of Ukraine in 1996, it was even simpler. Ukraine could not use this weapon! Access codes were in Russia. Ukraine just sold a useless toy to Russia. Yes, and the maintenance and current maintenance of the money was worth it.


                  Do not stir up water. That from 1996 to 2014, the Ukrainians who produced these missiles could not have cut the wires or disconnected the sensors so that the access codes in Moscow turned out to be a toy. And any money is worth it. And in general there is a fact that he has nuclear weapons, it is quite possible that half or more of them are faulty. But who will know about it except the owners themselves. And even if three missiles leave the launch, this is unacceptable damage to any state.

                  And Ukraine did not sell rockets, but gave in exchange for a promise of a guarantee of territorial integrity.
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 April 15 2014 17: 25
                    0
                    Neither Russia nor Ukraine could use these missiles, that's for sure. But the missiles were sold, you just have to look at the economic agreements concluded at the same time. Only as an object of sale they were not indicated.

                    The administrative borders in the Helsinki Act are not mentioned at all, you still remember the borders between the districts - also administrative.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck April 15 2014 21: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: andj61
                      The administrative borders in the Helsinki Act are not mentioned at all, you still remember the borders between the districts - also administrative.


                      It was because of the preservation of administrative borders that Europe intervened in the war in Yugoslavia, unleashed by Milosevic. He also did not want to recognize the borders of Croatia, Macedonia, Bosnia, Kosovo, he wanted to leave everything within the borders of the "great" Yugoslavia. Europe intervened and those administrative boundaries became state ones. And Europe intervened in the spirit of Helsinki.

                      Here the Uroshniki mother Yeltsin supposedly did not use force to save the USSR. Now, if I applied Yugoslavia, it would be a flower. An ocean of blood would be around the entire perimeter of Russia.

                      Quote: andj61
                      Neither Russia nor Ukraine could use these missiles, that's for sure.


                      Well, what are you talking about automatics and locks on missiles. Yes, remove the warhead and threaten the enemy with the delivery of a "maize", no radar will take it. And it is not necessary to drop it on the administrative center, just drop it in the field and it will be unacceptable.
    3. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 14
      -1
      Well, go to Russia and live among the Kazakhs there! Who's stopping you?
      1. tokin1959
        tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 23
        +4
        I live in Russia and I have Kazakh father-in-law))))
        I'm not Natsik like you.
        1. antibanukurayza
          antibanukurayza April 14 2014 10: 31
          -4
          mean your father-in-law is a small-town nationalist :)) Did you want to complain about him here? And in the face to tell him?
          1. tokin1959
            tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 40
            +1
            father-in-law has already died, unfortunately.
        2. andj61
          andj61 April 15 2014 14: 37
          0
          Respect and respect!
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 09: 59
    -1
    Quote: parusnik
    I would like for the Russians and Kazakhs to live in the same state, honestly, get the small-town nationalism


    and there will be no small-town but Russian nationalism ...
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 04
      +7
      show the Russian Nazi? can Russian yell-Kazakh for gilyaka? threatened to cut someone? from Russia Kazakhs are evicted and squeezed out?
      many Russians left Kazakhstan from Kazakhstan.
      but there’s not a single Kazakh who has moved from Russia to Kazakhstan.
    2. Docent1984
      Docent1984 April 14 2014 15: 08
      0
      This cannot be by definition. 160 nationalities coexist in Russia. And everyone has the right to language and self-identification. Nationalism of which nation?)))) This is unrealistic)
      1. Netrocker
        Netrocker April 15 2014 11: 06
        +3
        skins in Moscow this type is not nationalism at all? yes
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 10: 04
    -2
    Quote: tokin1959
    Russians gave them statehood, they set up cities, now they have become so important as Borat)))


    And you are also important as Ivanushka.
    There are two sides to the coin, the Russians also forcibly collectivized, evicted from the most fertile lands, killed and assimilated. And not all Russian cities were built. In addition, in the built cities, mostly Russians live.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 14 2014 10: 07
      +3
      Quote: Aldo
      In addition, in the built cities, mostly Russians live.

      M-dya .... I slept, however ... laughing
    2. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 10
      +3
      this is not necessary, the Russians in Russia were also collectively forcibly collectively evicted and killed.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet April 14 2014 20: 21
      -2
      Quote: Aldo
      In addition, in the built cities, mostly Russians live.

      Who built, he lives.
    4. andj61
      andj61 April 15 2014 14: 49
      +1
      Communists collectivized, among them there were plenty of Kazakhs. Evict-evicted. But, mainly, not from fertile lands as such, but from mineral deposits - cattle breeders were not needed for them.
      But assimilate no one assimilated. Simply, mentally, the Kazakhs are close to the Russians, and many gave their children to Russian schools as early as the 40-50s, built cities with the Russians, worked in them. And they sent children to Russian schools because they understood that education in Russian was higher (there were only a few Kazakhs with higher education in the 40s and 50s), and career success could be achieved not because the Kazakhs (there was always a certain limit for national personnel ), but because smart. And already in the 70s - 80s, many Kazakhs practically did not know the Kazakh language - there was no reason.
  • predator.3
    predator.3 April 14 2014 10: 10
    +3
    This is the current youth who grew up with capitalist values ​​and the modern giant leap of technology and the practical implementation of the mathematical theory of the curvature of space in our present life.
    These are grandchildren and granddaughters of my generation. The time will come, and they will come to power ... Here I put dots: with anxiety, and excitement, and with the desire for it. They are intelligent and literate for all of this, but not experienced, and with them they did not conduct an educational program with them, the greatest generation did not give them life lessons, with rare exceptions.


    Yes, our young people are normal, they do not have "Western worship" (to be honest, our generation burned out on this), there is more than enough patriotism, I recently noticed that my youngest (9 and 11 years old) respect the national anthem and know the main text by heart !
    And the "complaint against today's youth" is typical for all generations, by the way, the first mentions are recorded in the Sumerian clip-records.
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 14 2014 10: 12
    +2
    Dear Kalman Khamitovich, the natural desire of any normal person for greater justice. Not all people of Kazakh nationality will approve of you. Even the shining tsar from the clan of the rich Nazar calls the period of Kazakhstan’s lands in the Russian Empire and the USSR calls colonization, and the way out of the USSR - help The Almighty.
    The time spent by Kazakhstan in the previous versions of Uzbekistan is not called a colonial period.
    Let your people somehow decide on the question - "what is good and how to deal with it."
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 14 2014 11: 44
      +8
      Quote: Humpty

      The time spent by Kazakhstan in the previous versions of Uzbekistan is not called a colonial period.
      Let your people somehow decide on the question - "what is good and how to deal with it."


      Hello, Alexander. How will the Kazakh people be determined? If from the school bench this people is hammered into the head about the greatness of the Kazakh people and about the Russian occupants! The same Aldo does not speak about the reason why the Kazakh tribes accepted Russian citizenship and does not express a word of gratitude for the end of the total extermination of their ancestors, but deliberately distorts history. I perfectly understand your rejection of the post-Soviet views of some of those who "take care" for the greatness of their people, but it seems to me that you should not answer the jackal's howl with a wolf's grin. It is necessary in word and deed to fight against hirelings and headless repeaters, knock out a chair from under them and show their true appearance. Unfortunately, the former country will no longer exist, but an alliance of like-minded states is quite possible.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty April 14 2014 12: 17
        +4
        Serg65
        Greetings, Sergey. I don’t need gratitude as such from either the Kyrgyz or the Kazakhs. Especially for those matters to which I am almost not involved. It is disgusting to look at duplicity, whether Russia is an ally to them, or a cruel colonizer. Pay attention to the position of the Russians in the forum in relation to Kazakhstan. In short
        it seems to me like this is our ally, so we won’t notice the logs. The passivity of many of our fellow countrymen has led us to what we have. With fraternal Ukraine, we have already played into the silence that the weed of Bandera has already sprouted east of the Dnieper.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 14 2014 13: 03
          +4
          Alexander, I support your opinion about passivity, I often have to talk with young Kyrgyz people and my stories about the true history of relations between Kyrgyzstan and Russia cause shock to my interlocutors! Russian cultural centers should work more actively in terms of highlighting cultural heritage, interethnic relations, and historical values. Silence and unwillingness to confront pseudo-historians and pseudo-national leaders led to the tragic Ukrainian events.
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu April 14 2014 12: 47
        +4
        Quote: Serg65
        If from the school bench this people are driven into the head about the greatness of the Kazakh people and about
        Signs, passwords pozhalsta ?!
        Where, when and on what page, in Kazakhstan textbooks approved by the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, it is said about Russian occupants! request
        Quote: Serg65
        and does not express gratitude for the termination of the total extermination of their ancestors
        Again, in what battle, in what year and what great Russian commander saved the "ungrateful Kazakhs" from total extermination ?!
        And, then many of us do not know about this? We will make the discovery unknown to Kazakhstan historical science. wink Fee, I undertake to honestly share with you ..
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 14 2014 13: 51
          +4
          Dear Alibekulu, regarding the Russian colonialists and occupants, read at least the History of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the section "World War I and the causes of the Kazakh uprising in 1916". And about the extermination of Kazakhs, I hope you don’t need to be reminded of the relationship of your ancestors with their "best friends" Dzungars? You can keep the fee for yourself, happiness is not in money. hi
          1. Zymran
            Zymran April 14 2014 19: 45
            +5
            Quote: Serg65
            And about the extermination of Kazakhs, I hope you don’t need to be reminded of the relationship of your ancestors with their "best friends" Dzungars?


            And where does the Russian then? Dzhungarov was defeated by the army of the Qing empire and Kazakh allies.
          2. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu April 14 2014 20: 58
            +2
            Quote: Serg65
            And about the extermination of Kazakhs, I hope you don’t need to be reminded of the relationship of your ancestors with their "best friends" Dzungars?
            I understand that about the battles where the Russians save the Kazakhs do not googling ?! wink
            Well, about the relationship with the Dzungars, I think I know as much as you ..
            Even family legends heard in childhood. And the Dzhungars are for me an example of how they should, but the Kazakhs didn’t show themselves.
            After all, they, facing the threat of the Qing Empire, were able to self-organize and become the dominant force in Central Asia. Both China and RI were forced to reckon with themselves. And they were able to do it for several centuries.
            And their history, their ability to provide a "response" to the challenges of the time, deserves a separate study as an alternative view of how Kazakhs could have behaved before "voluntary accession" ..
            Quote: Serg65
            about the Russian colonizers and occupants read at least the History of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the section "The First World War and the reasons for the uprising of the Kazakhs in 1916".
            Dear Serg, I’m bluntly speaking you in Russian ñ I asked you to bring specific facts confirming your assertions that in Kazakhstan from school, they drive into the head .. about Russian occupants!
            By the way, I carefully looked through the section you specified, and found nothing about the Russian occupiers? request
            Maybe you still bring a scan as proof, this entertaining statement .. I think all Kazakhs will be very grateful to you hi
            And then a Russian Kazakh citizen unfoundedly stated that in our textbooks they write that the name of the country is Ecuador from the Kazakh Eki Batyr fool
            PS On my own behalf, dear Sergey, your posts, as a rule, are reasonable and competent. And I sincerely hope that you will not sink to the "awful" level of perception of the world and will not allow yourself to evolve, for example, into Humpty ..
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 15 2014 08: 20
              +3
              Alibekulu
              Alibek, you are right, I do not like cheers-patriotism and nationalism in all its manifestations, no matter from whom these phenomena occur. I also do not like the distortion of history. And so about the Dzungars .. the Qing army defeated the Dzungars in the spring of 1756, in the spring of 1730 in the battle of Anrakai, the Kazakhs defeated the Dzungars, by the beginning of the summer of 1734, the Younger and Senior zhuzes legally became part of the Russian Empire, after the emergence of new territories the Russian government took a number of military -political and diplomatic actions in order to ensure the security of their new subjects from the devastating military invasions of the Dzungars. Russia also managed to withstand the aggression of China. (Kondor-tour.kz). Regarding the Russian occupiers ... neither in Kazakhstan, nor in Kyrgyzstan does anyone give the true reasons for the events of the 1916 year, while they accuse the Russians of robbery, humiliation, murder of indigenous peoples ... can these facts be documented?
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu April 15 2014 08: 48
                +3
                good afternoon
                Quote: Serg65
                in the spring of 1730, the Kazakhs defeated the Dzungars in the Battle of Anrakai, by the beginning of the summer of 1734, the Younger and Senior zhuzes legally became part of the Russian Empire
                Well, how would the answer in your post - in 1730 year in Anrakay, the Kazakhs defeated the Dzungars, and they were no longer a serious threat ...
                Moreover, if it were not for strife between the khans, they could have been finished off ..
                And in 1734 year Junior zhuz legally became part of the Republic of Ingushetia, when the threat already did not exist ..
                I understand that the Russian Imperials must justify and legitimize the actions of the Republic of Ingushetia.
                Quote: Serg65
                About the Russian occupants ...
                Nowhere, in any official documents of the Republic of Kazakhstan, including the approved history books DOESN'T TALK ABOUT RUSSIAN OCCUPIERS ..
                Quote: Serg65
                neither in Kazakhstan, nor in Kyrgyzstan, no one cites the true causes of the 1916 events of the year
                Give, I will be grateful .. hi
                Quote: Serg65
                The Russian government took a number of military-political and diplomatic actions to ensure the safety of its new subjects from the devastating military invasions of the Dzungars.
                Now the Kazakhs want to know where these great battles, battles and so on are.
                And everything else is water ... like "the last Chinese warning"
          3. Beck
            Beck April 14 2014 23: 48
            +5
            Quote: Serg65
            And about the extermination of Kazakhs, I hope you don’t need to be reminded of the relationship of your ancestors with their "best friends" Dzungars?


            Yeah, the jungars.

            Well, they answered you without me that Russia didn’t have to defeat the Dzungaria no relations. Urashniki speak about "salvation" who take the propaganda of the Autocracy and the Soviets, in order to whitewash the colonial policy, seriously and illiterately.

            I would note one difference.

            Russian Urashniks have everything in history, with whom bad people would not fight Russia. All Basurmans, unchristians, vile, evil.

            My circle of Kazakhstanis has no such attitude to history. Dzhungars were enemies, but worthy enemies. And among them were heroes and heroes. And the Dzungars had courage and courage, and they were not all united by reptiles, scoundrels, evil, treacherous and other.

            How would the centenary, steppe war end, don’t China intervene, unknown. The rest is everything - if only, maybe, maybe.
      3. Aldo
        Aldo April 14 2014 16: 28
        +2
        chauvinists see the activity of their ancestors only in white. For your information, when the Kazakh khanates became part of Russia they were not threatened by the Dzungars or other nations were threatened only by Russia. And this same Russia set the Bashkirs, Kalmyks, Nogays against the Kazakhs according to the politics of divide and rule.
        But there was what happened, we understand that the current generations are not responsible for this; the Empire is responsible for this.
        The history of the Russian Federation is perverted, false, especially in pre-Petrine times, which is not surprising. Indeed, in order to be elevated yourself, one must belittle others. Therefore, the contribution of the Turkic peoples to the appearance of Russia is not appreciated properly. The Golden Horde is represented as a yoke. Whereas nowhere else in the lands conquered by Genghisides is there such a thing.
        1. andj61
          andj61 April 15 2014 15: 02
          -1
          Why "set"? The Nogays, as sympathizers of Turkey and participating in the raids together with the Krymchaks, were evicted from the Caucasus by Suvorov. Who among the Russians could have calculated at that time that the Great Steppe had been divided among various Turkic clans for hundreds of years? The Kalmyks came from Mongolia for a number of reasons back in the 17th century (in my opinion), but not because of a good life, they moved the Bashkirs out of their place, because of which a bloody quarrel broke out between all the inhabitants of the Great Steppe. Yes, it turned out that the Kazakhs were as defenders. But the defenders are very successful. Where are the Nogais now? And where do Kalmyks and Bashkirs live, what is left of these peoples?
          Do not think that Russia did this on purpose. Russian immigrants (conquerors!) also suffered from Kazakhs. But how can a nomad be conquered?
          1. Beck
            Beck April 15 2014 15: 35
            +5
            Quote: andj61
            But how can a nomad be conquered?


            Take summers and wintering, cut the centuries-old ways of nomadic, enter your administration of management. As did the Russian Cossacks in the newly formed territories of the regions of Cossack troops that were formed on the lands of the indigenous population.

            For clarity, pre-revolutionary statistics for 1916. The population of the regions of the Cossack troops and the area allocated to the Cossacks of the land according to the len system.

            1. Orenburg Cossack army. The population is about 533 thousand people, over 7,4 million acres of land (10,7 million hectares).
            2. Ural. The population is about 174 thousand people, about 6,4 million acres of land (9,2 million hectares).
            3. Siberian. The population is about 172 thousand people, about 5 million acres of land (7,2 million hectares).
            4. Semirechye. The population of about 45 thousand people, 681 thousand acres of land (987,5 thousand hectares)

            On average, there were 30,5 hectares of land per capita. The best land of the indigenous population. The nomadic routes were not supposed to go closer than 5 versts from the Cossack "lands", and then this zone expanded to 40 versts.

            And to call this entire colonial process pioneering, pioneering is simply absurd, and it is absurd to base our present claims on this absurdity. Now it’s different times, a different environment, a different environment and building relationships between people based on a not always fair past is fraught with unpredictable consequences.
      4. Aldo
        Aldo April 15 2014 09: 04
        +4
        It was not citizenship, it was a vassality that gradually turned into citizenship. And you didn’t protect us from anyone, you don’t need to distort the facts. Russia did not conduct a single war to protect the Kazakhs, and this is a historical fact. But we are not offended, just do not need to represent the Russian empire in a pink light, at least for us, for the Kazakhs.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 10: 13
    +5
    Quote: tokin1959
    but there’s not a single Kazakh who has moved from Russia to Kazakhstan.


    The Russian Nazi is called a skinhead - I hope these skinheads are familiar to you. In vain do you say that Kazakhs do not move to Kazakhstan, in Astana there are a lot of them, mainly from Omsk, Astrakhan. In addition, Kazakhs on the territory of the Russian Federation live from time immemorial and are recognized as an autochthonous population, so no need for Lala. Regarding the oppression of Russians in Kazakhstan by the locals, will you show me at least one Kazakh Nazi who killed the Russians? no, we ourselves will tear such ones ... The reasons for the Russian move to the Russian Federation are economic, there the salaries are higher.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 14 2014 10: 22
      0
      [quote = Aldo] .. The reasons for the Russians moving to the Russian Federation are economic, their salaries are higher. Not only how much lack of equality .... Look in my early posts for a conversation with your compatriot Kasym. I already gave an example there ...
    2. Mergen
      Mergen April 14 2014 10: 26
      +7
      Quote: Aldo
      show at least one Kazakh Nazi who killed the Russians?

      There is simply no such thing. But in Russia there are a lot of skinheads with German shouts. Indeed, in Moscow, the Kazakhs can be killed, but will they do this with the Russians in Astana?
      1. Docent1984
        Docent1984 April 14 2014 15: 19
        +2
        In our long-suffering Moscow, there is no one else - fascists, fagots, maniacs, and unbeaten liberals - this is Babylon. And in normal cities now you will not find fascists with fire in the daytime) I have not seen it live for 10 years. "There were demons, we do not deny this, but they self-destructed." This rabble is being transferred slowly. And in the same way, in the early 90s, Russians in the republics of Central Asia and Kazakhstan were flattened to the fullest. My dear uncle at that time served in the air regiment in Taldy-Kurgan. They fled from there - only the heels sparkled. So this is not nonsense - I know them firsthand. I myself was in Atyrau two years ago - everything is excellent, very friendly people, normal and adequate relations - no questions asked. But in the same way, Kazakhs come to us to live and work - there are a lot of them in my city. And there are villages where only Kazakhs live. For example, Kharabali of the Astrakhan region - I happened to be - there are 20 Russian people for the whole village))) And nothing) We live like brothers)
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    4. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 10: 27
      +3
      Recently, 4 skinhead Natsiks were shot in Moscow suburbs.
      and put for Nazism-read about it.
      and you have at least one Kakhakh Nazi planted?
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 14 2014 11: 53
        +1
        Quote: tokin1959
        Recently, 4 skinhead Natsiks were shot in Moscow suburbs.
        and put for Nazism-read about it.
        and you have at least one Kakhakh Nazi planted?

        so the fact of the matter is that Nazism blossoms and smells with you, but we don’t have it (it’s hard to imagine in Astana we have a shaven-headed man in berets with a swastika on the back of his head and ridiculous friend-friend, who are immediately buried without trial). True, you have a mess in your head where the Nazi-nationalist is one and the same and until you yourself figure it out, the argument is useless.
    5. roskaz
      roskaz April 14 2014 19: 32
      0
      but what are the Kazakh nationalists called?
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 14 2014 20: 31
        +2
        Quote: roskaz
        but what are the Kazakh nationalists called?

        This is what the Kazakh nationalist is called laughing or you definitely need to stick a clique. A skinhead zigzag with a swastika on the back of his head in Moscow needs to be called a Russian Nazi (or neo-Nazi), and skinhead is a clicker. The definition of a Nazi and a nationalist can be found on the Internet.
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  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 10: 17
    +1
    Quote: Humpty
    Dear Kalman Khamitovich, the natural desire of any normal person for greater justice. Not all people of Kazakh nationality will approve of you. Even the shining tsar from the clan of the rich Nazar calls the period of the lands of Kazakhstan in the Russian Empire and the USSR he calls colonization, and the exit from the USSR with the help of the Most High .
    The time spent by Kazakhstan in the previous versions of Uzbekistan is not called a colonial period.
    Let your people somehow decide on the question - "what is good and how to deal with it."


    You do not know history, Kazakhstan has never been a part of Uzbekistan. On the contrary, Tashkent from the 17th to the 19th century was part of the Kazakh Khanate. In addition, Bukhara and Samarkand were also ruled by Kazakh khanates for some time. As for the nomadic Uzbek khanate, it was only called Uzbek there was a single people, which later divided into Uzbeks and Kazakhs.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 14 2014 10: 34
      0
      The nonsense that is suggested by some of your "historians" is well known outside the lower reaches of the Chu-Talas interfluve. Only a number of simple questions these "historians" do not want to answer intelligibly, for example, how it happened that Kalmyks live in good health to the left and to the right of Kazakhstan and in Kazakhstan, despite a number of their names, there are no Kalmyks themselves.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 14 2014 11: 17
        +2
        Quote: Humpty
        The nonsense that is suggested by some of your "historians" is well known outside the lower reaches of the Chu-Talas interfluve. Only a number of simple questions these "historians" do not want to answer intelligibly, for example, how it happened that Kalmyks live in good health to the left and to the right of Kazakhstan and in Kazakhstan, despite a number of their names, there are no Kalmyks themselves.

        Do you mean the Kalmak Kyrylgan tract?
        1. Humpty
          Humpty April 14 2014 12: 43
          0
          In some ways, we still understand each other. But it’s more pleasant for me that things are quite peaceful - Naryn is somewhere near an Afghan.
          1. Semurg
            Semurg April 14 2014 13: 11
            +3
            naryn-kozhe strongly respect the tasty thing, the Afghan did not try cannibalism is not welcome laughing . People, if they want, can always understand each other, if one is not going to have breakfast for the other wink
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  • Mergen
    Mergen April 14 2014 10: 20
    +1
    Equality in the USSR? I will give you only THREE striking examples of what this equality is with you. The first is Baurzhan Momysh Uly, how did you react to him? In the USSR they looked at him from high. The second Kara Mayor Karimbaev, how did they react to him? Does Rakhimzhan Koshkarbayev all know him here? Bulatov proving that he instead of him hoisted a banner over the Reichstag, but they did not want to hear him, and he killed himself in despair, hoping that his death would open his eyes to everyone. Many Kazakhs had grandfathers and great-grandfathers who fought in the Second World War and we repaid you with all our blood, and the words of this 100% Kazakh are no more than a mankurt’s words, because he doesn’t remember that during the Soviet Union the nuclear weapons test site was not somewhere in Siberia but It is on our land where people lived who still suffer and Russia is somehow in no hurry to help them, it’s our chemical weapons that are buried. Where is the BROTHER EQUALITY? Yes, we are friends and fraternal peoples, but why exactly from the Russian side are there only provocations?
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 April 14 2014 12: 25
      +5
      Dear Zhas, in what do you see the inequality of the heroes of the USSR Momysh Uly, Kerimbaev, Koshkarbaev from the heroes of the USSR Marinesku, Grishchenko and many other forgotten heroes? In other matters about the forgotten, the career growth of Bauyrzhan Momysh ula is admired and surprising, in 1941. senior lieutenant and battalion commander, and in 1942. Already a colonel and commander of the division, is this not a recognition of his mind and talent ?? And about Boris Kerimbaev throughout the former Union, fame is coming and legends are being made !!! You bring here the Semipalatinsk test site as one of the signs of the Russian genacide over the Kazakhs, and why don’t you recall the Totsk exercises with the real use of a nuclear explosion, the Altai taiga littered with the remains of the first stages of spaceships? No need to pull out a twig from a broom and blame others for taking more of YOUR branches onto the broom than others!
    2. Sma11
      Sma11 April 14 2014 12: 55
      +1
      during the USSR, the nuclear weapons test site was not somewhere in Siberia, namely, on our land where people lived who still suffer and Russia is somehow in no hurry to help them, it is our chemical weapons that are buried. Where is the BROTHER EQUALITY?

      But this is probably your BROTHER EQUALITY?
      The U.S. Department of Defense is building an ultra-expensive dual-use biological laboratory in Kazakhstan. This laboratory, designed to complement the system of similar facilities located by the Pentagon along the perimeter of Russia's borders. The construction of the Central Reference Laboratory based on the former Soviet Anti-Plague Research Institute in Almaty began in 2010 with the financial support of the US defense department. The commissioning of the laboratory is expected in 2015. Its work will be supplemented by a new station for early warning of disease outbreaks in Central Asia, located in the village of Otar (presumably on the basis of the Scientific Agricultural Research Institute of the Institute for Agricultural Research). The opening of the latter is scheduled for April 2014, for its construction the United States allocates 5,6 million dollars.
      Officially, the Central Reference Laboratory in Almaty is being created to ensure the safety of especially dangerous pathogens remaining in Kazakhstan from the Soviet military-biological program, and to study methods of protection against them, as well as the employment (after twenty years!) Of former military biologists. At the same time, a number of circumstances indicate that in reality this laboratory can be used for military biological developments conducted by the United States.
    3. Turkir
      Turkir April 15 2014 01: 02
      0
      What a nightmare with this banner, I already hear the fourth version.
  • Rostovchanin
    Rostovchanin April 14 2014 10: 21
    +1
    They are now 35-50 years old. They wore October badges, pioneer ties. They were brought up by cheating in love for a single Motherland, the feat of their grandfathers, the labor successes of their parents. They were brought up in Soviet times to internationalism, devotion to their homeland. They were the most dear and beloved grandchildren and granddaughters of that same great generation.

    ... I belong to this generation, 100% for !!!
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 April 14 2014 10: 24
    +2
    I think that it is necessary to strengthen cooperation with Kazakhstan and Belarus, respecting independence, the USSR cannot be returned back in the foreseeable future, but this perspective cannot be swept aside, China is strengthening, the EU is pursuing a policy of expanding its spheres of influence, strong ties are the key to survival and preserving our cultures succumbing to the fashion of unification, in Europe, statements about a return to national identity are more often heard.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 10: 35
    +1
    Quote: sergey72
    Quote: Aldo
    In addition, in the built cities, mostly Russians live.

    M-dya .... I slept, however ... laughing


    no pale, we Kazakhs, unlike most Russians, recognize the pros and cons of colonization. Some cities, I emphasize "some" were built by Russians on Kazakh lands, I emphasize on "Kazakh". We are grateful for this, but this does not mean that we are ready to give them to you. And the Russians who live there are our fellow citizens and brothers. And unlike Moscow, there are no skinhead fascists in those cities.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 April 14 2014 10: 45
    +2
    Quote: Aldo
    Do not think that under the USSR everyone was fine as a Russian.

    Only for some reason we went to you for boots, books and other consumer goods, and our city is partially affected by the radioactive contamination zone after the explosion at Mayak
  • Semurg
    Semurg April 14 2014 10: 54
    +8
    that a person wrote his opinion about the future of the RK, which he sees only as a "Kazakh province of the Russian Federation", about such M. Gandhi said "a pupil of the empire, a traitor of the Indians." There are quite a few such Kazakhs, especially in the north of the Republic of Kazakhstan, who have lost partially or completely the language and mentality of the Kazakhs, this is the result of the Russification of the Kazakhs (as the Uzbeks joked among themselves, if you want to become a Russian from the beginning, become a Kazakh. They noticed the Russification of the Kazakhs during the union). As Alibek wrote about Moses and the Jews, "the slaves of Egypt are still alive, after all, not yet 40 years have passed," and this event is Old Testament and is still relevant now in the Republic of Kazakhstan (and then treat the holy books with skepticism)
    1. QWERTY
      QWERTY April 14 2014 21: 51
      0
      And now, Uzbeks who have noticed the Russification of Kazakhs throughout the country sweep the streets in Russia .....
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 14 2014 22: 07
        +2
        Quote: ytsuken
        And now, Uzbeks who have noticed the Russification of Kazakhs throughout the country sweep the streets in Russia .....

        and curse I. Karimov, who strangled Uzbekistan who had all the prerequisites to make a breakthrough and become economically dominant in Wed. Of Asia.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz April 15 2014 00: 40
          0
          Quote: Semurg
          and curse I. Karimov, who strangled Uzbekistan who had all the prerequisites to make a breakthrough and become economically dominant in Wed. Of Asia.

          Honestly, the level of thinking of these sweeping streets is too narrow to think. They think very finely and finely. There is no state-owned popular thinking. But all this is connected with insanely low education.
    2. koshh
      koshh April 14 2014 21: 52
      -2
      Quote: Semurg
      Such Kazakhs are not few especially in the north of the Republic of Kazakhstan who have lost partially or completely the Kazakh language and mentality

      Or gone from feudal dependencies. Northern Kazakhstan - is this the resettlement of the younger zhuz?
      1. Zymran
        Zymran April 14 2014 21: 54
        +2
        Quote: koshh
        Or gone from feudal dependencies. Northern Kazakhstan - is this the resettlement of the younger zhuz?


        Medium.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 10: 56
    +3
    Quote: Scandinavian
    You don’t reproach me with Russia, I see you are the complete embodiment of Mambet from the south ... it’s definitely so aggressive since Texas ... I was born here and here in Kazakhstan, my parents raised me and this is my same Motherland for me as for you - dives are not educated.


    Just the same, I'm from the North. That's how any Kazakh speaks about the independence of Kazakhstan, he is immediately a Nazi, a mambet and from the south. You have double standards, Mr. Scandinavian. If RK is your homeland you do not have to munch on it. And do not worry about education, I will have it higher than yours. And I advise you to be less aggressive, since you live here.
    1. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza April 14 2014 14: 18
      +5
      Krassava Aido! Uther Scandinavia. He (the Scandinavian) along the way is Russian, born in Kazakhstan, and during his conscious life he learned only swear words in the Kazakh language. Now the requirements for the official language cause bile attacks.
  • Free Island
    Free Island April 14 2014 10: 59
    0
    I'm not against. Union State of Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan)))))
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian April 14 2014 11: 03
    -1
    Quote: Aldo
    Quote: Scandinavian
    You don’t reproach me with Russia, I see you are the complete embodiment of Mambet from the south ... it’s definitely so aggressive since Texas ... I was born here and here in Kazakhstan, my parents raised me and this is my same Motherland for me as for you - dives are not educated.


    Just the same, I'm from the North. That's how any Kazakh speaks about the independence of Kazakhstan, he is immediately a Nazi, a mambet and from the south. You have double standards, Mr. Scandinavian. If RK is your homeland you do not have to munch on it. And do not worry about education, I will have it higher than yours. And I advise you to be less aggressive, since you live here.


    Listen, you northerner breathe calmly and let's not have double standards for anyone .... That's when you gain authority with comments, then you will compete ... And then I look you were brought to the site by the wind and decided to dot the "and" where is evil, and where is good.
    1. romb
      romb April 14 2014 12: 57
      +5
      when authority is commented ...

      Eh, you like to measure virtual pisyuny? Well, then, everything is clear with you. laughing
      On this site, quite a considerable number of virtual marshals are so nationalistic that they are boiling over. Sometimes I even begin to regret that I do not see these people live, I would gladly "write out" the direction to the craniofacial for these - individual comrades. wink
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 11: 04
    +1
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Listen, you northerner breathe calmly and let's not have double standards for anyone .... That's when you gain authority with comments, then you will compete ... And then I look you were brought to the site by the wind and decided to dot the "and" where is evil, and where is good.

    no matter how authoritative you are, you acknowledge my innocence, as I understand it.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian April 14 2014 11: 06
      0
      What is right about what are you? started with Yerema finished Kairat ... Koishy already ... got it
  • Kramoles
    Kramoles April 14 2014 11: 12
    +3
    Wow, the author is my countryman! I’ll call, talk, maybe even meet. It is very interesting to talk with a smart man of the old school. I have a neighbor - a veteran of the Second World War, a participant in the parade on May 9, 1945 on Red Square. So he told how he drove Bandera during and after the war. These were not people, natural ghouls.
  • Polarfox
    Polarfox April 14 2014 11: 12
    +3
    Look how the nationalists are alarmed! Well, yes, well, yes, it is better to eat bread apart than donuts together. In the migration services of Kazakhstan, the people are not crowded, the Russians are leaving. This is despite the assembly of the peoples of Kazakhstan and the loud statements about the equality of ethnic groups. Why are they leaving? Yes, that's because every day in life one has to deal with home-grown "statehood" and statements that the Russians are invaders, that without them, life is so good.

    I know that these words will now also be upheld by "kumis patriots" who have at once crossed out the history of the coexistence of Russia and Kazakhstan, including the exploits of grandfathers and fathers who survived in a terrible war, without considering nationalities. But I wholeheartedly support Kamalkhan Khamitovich Khabiev in his proposals - their wisdom will outlast those who believe that his civic duty is to minus comments on the Internet.

    And one more thing - there is no need to try to expel those dissatisfied with Kazakh nationalism "into your Race". We are leaving without it. Tired of being stepchildren of the country in which many of us were born.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 11: 33
      0
      the Russians will leave.
      the Chinese will come. and it will be impossible to expel the Chinese.
    2. Semurg
      Semurg April 14 2014 11: 36
      +4
      Quote: Polarfox


      I know that these words will now also be upheld by "kumis patriots" who have at once crossed out the history of the coexistence of Russia and Kazakhstan, including the exploits of grandfathers and fathers who survived in a terrible war, without considering nationalities.

      Well, here's a vivid example of juggling, it seems in the Russian Federation it has become fashionable to say that the Second World War was won by the Russians (and not by the Soviets), and all sorts of others did nothing but surrender and harm (and I constantly read this on the site). And how do you write "patriots of koumiss" do not cross out the common history and write that there was every good and bad. And the common history should be perceived as a complete picture, and not how the Russians want to share, we are Russians, and the stick is the power, Jews, Georgians, etc.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 14 2014 14: 17
        +5
        Dear Sagat, I fully agree with you that "the common history should be taken as a whole picture." There was a common country and there should be a common history, no matter what it was, good or bad, but this is our story.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg April 14 2014 14: 54
          +4
          Dear Sergey. The same story can be written in one state. In different states, it will still be different. There are controversial issues that historians should say and prescribe and politicians to accept, and not vice versa when politicians speak and historians write. For example, Indians and British historians talked and wrote down a common story where there was famine and the suppression of uprisings and the construction of railways, schools, hospitals and a joint war against Japan. And now there is already no heated debate without a result, like we built cities for you and in response you starved to death, everything is spelled out and who wants to take history and read a consolidated assessment of scholars-historians of controversial issues. We are still far from everything imprisoned for the current political moment, which means that we are doomed to argue indefinitely.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 11: 16
    -5
    That is comrade authority. Scoop will not pass
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 11: 24
    +3
    Quote: Humpty
    The nonsense that is suggested by some of your "historians" is well known outside the lower reaches of the Chu-Talas interfluve. Only a number of simple questions these "historians" do not want to answer intelligibly, for example, how it happened that Kalmyks live in good health to the left and to the right of Kazakhstan and in Kazakhstan, despite a number of their names, there are no Kalmyks themselves.


    it’s you raving Kalmyks - a nomadic people, and the fact that in Kazakhstan there are names from Kalmyk, so the lands of eastern Kazakhstan and Semirechye were temporarily conquered. As for the name in Kazakh, carefully look at the map of the Russian Federation, you will find a lot of interesting things.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 14 2014 12: 51
      0
      Yes, of course, the Kalmyks are a nomadic people, and only, anyone would doubt that they built their monasteries on the Irtysh from stone.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 11: 34
    +3
    Quote: Polarfox
    Look how the nationalists are alarmed! Well, yes, well, yes, it is better to eat bread apart than donuts together. In the migration services of Kazakhstan, the people are not crowded, the Russians are leaving. This is despite the assembly of the peoples of Kazakhstan and the loud statements about the equality of ethnic groups. Why are they leaving? Yes, that's because every day in life one has to deal with home-grown "statehood" and statements that the Russians are invaders, that without them, life is so good.

    I know that these words will now also be upheld by "kumis patriots" who have at once crossed out the history of the coexistence of Russia and Kazakhstan, including the exploits of grandfathers and fathers who survived in a terrible war, without considering nationalities. But I wholeheartedly support Kamalkhan Khamitovich Khabiev in his proposals - their wisdom will outlast those who believe that his civic duty is to minus comments on the Internet.

    And one more thing - there is no need to try to expel those dissatisfied with Kazakh nationalism "into your Race". We are leaving without it. Tired of being stepchildren of the country in which many of us were born.


    For your information from the Russian Federation, some are returning, as there, too, is not smeared with honey. What kind of nationalism are we talking about? We want sovereignty - nationalism, expanding the scope of our native language - nationalism! Where did you get squeezed out, cut, or did you bad? We want to develop our own language, which during the USSR was virtually supplanted. And in this you see nationalism. You do not please ...
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 11: 43
      0
      it’s not necessary to please the Russians.
      but you don’t need to impose your language on Russians.
      thanks to the "occupation" you got cities, medicine, education and your "statehood" too.
      they would still ride on donkeys and live in yurts.
      Khan bowed.
      1. Atash
        Atash April 14 2014 16: 34
        +4
        But, perhaps, millions of Kazakhs would have survived, and millions would not have left for Mongolia, Iran, etc.
    2. Sma11
      Sma11 April 14 2014 13: 03
      +1
      We want to develop our own language, which during the USSR was virtually supplanted.

      I’ll ask you in more detail from this ...
  • Damdin
    Damdin April 14 2014 11: 38
    +2
    He put a minus for Stalin's punitive calculations, the author seems to have listened to liberal nonsense, but on the topic, there is no sense from such a union.
    1. Sma11
      Sma11 April 14 2014 13: 12
      0
      I completely agree. The blocking detachments appeared at the end of summer 42, as did the Tigers at 42 and Ferdinand at 43.
  • Polarfox
    Polarfox April 14 2014 11: 46
    +3
    Quote: Aldo
    We want to develop our own language, which during the USSR was virtually supplanted.

    But this is not true. I remember how in school Kazakhs tried to skip Kazakh lessons, which were not mandatory for Russians. Then everyone tried to seem Russian.

    And you need to develop your language not to the detriment of another. Only for some reason not to the detriment does not work. Therefore - the forced introduction of office work in the Kazakh language, squeezing out of state structures of Russians who do not know it, ignoring the constitution, in which it is written in black and white that the Russian language is used in state institutions on a par with Kazakh. And the Kazakh language itself was renamed into a faceless "state".

    You look at the staff of any public service, there is not a single Russian there. The Russians only cherish the road to production, or to the business plundered by officials. When the Russians end, who will work?

    What about the return of those who left Russia - there are enough such "returnees" everywhere. If they don’t want and don’t know how to work, then who needs them, even in Kazakhstan, even in Russia? And those who are accustomed to earning their own bread will not be lost and will not go back.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 14 2014 11: 50
      0
      Quote: Polarfox
      When the Russians end, who will work?

      The present generation of this, unfortunately, does not understand this ...
    2. Maza
      Maza April 14 2014 12: 34
      +1
      There are 4 state languages ​​in Switzerland, 2 in Belgium, etc. and do not live badly.
      1. Aldo
        Aldo April 16 2014 07: 00
        +1
        Switzerland, unlike Kazakhstan, is a federal country, a buffer country between Germany, France, Austria and of course that there are several languages. We have Russian official language. So no need to juggle.
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  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 11: 51
    +4
    Quote: tokin1959
    the Russians will leave.
    the Chinese will come. and it will be impossible to expel the Chinese.


    Russians will not leave; do not worry them in the Republic of Kazakhstan, 3,7 million and almost a third in the south of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And they are not going in bulk. And do not worry about the Chinese, the nomads for 2 thousand years fought and made friends with them. And only after the weakening of the nomadic peoples in the 18-19 centuries in connection with the strengthening of Russia, China was able to conquer completely inner Mongolia and Xinjiang. So no need to scare, scared already. But this does not mean that we are not allies of the Russian Federation. We were allies and will be. We are doomed to this. Moreover, the Russian Federation also needs us, if you do not believe it, look at the political map.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 12: 10
      -1
      Russians will leave, you squeeze them out and squeeze them out.
      It's a question of time.
      Only before the arrival of the Chinas, you are still overloaded with the zhuzes.
      1. romb
        romb April 14 2014 13: 51
        +2
        What did you do: - "squeeze out and squeeze out".
        If you are so sure of this, then I hope it will not be difficult for you to back up your opinion with facts of real extrusion? I ask in advance: - Give without demagoguery and philosophical views.
  • Polarfox
    Polarfox April 14 2014 11: 56
    -2
    Quote: Aldo
    Russians will not leave

    Idle "returnees" will not leave, because Russia also needs to work. And those who have some potential, certainly. Yes, they are already leaving. The "brain drain" from Kazakhstan did not start yesterday. And the marginals - they will remain, because they have nothing to twitch from their place.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 11: 56
    +5
    Quote: Polarfox
    Therefore - the forced introduction of office work in the Kazakh language, squeezing out of state structures of Russians who do not know it, ignoring the constitution, in which it is written in black and white that the Russian language is used in state institutions on a par with Kazakh. And the Kazakh language itself was renamed into a faceless "state".


    forced - this is for 23 of the year for which you never learned to speak Kazakh, so much noise out of the blue.
    As for the fact that there are no Russians in power, they prefer to do business and sow wheat. Here akim of Pavlodar region recently announced that he is looking for Russian officials, go to him and get a job.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian April 14 2014 12: 43
      -1
      forced - this is for 23 of the year for which you never learned to speak Kazakh, so much noise out of the blue.
      As for the fact that there are no Russians in power, they prefer to do business and sow wheat. Here akim of Pavlodar region recently announced that he is looking for Russian officials, go to him and get a job.


      You ask the same question to the Kazakh themselves, why are you considering the issue from only one side? For 23 years, the Kazakhs themselves have learned to speak Kazakh. Any program to introduce the Kazakh language crashes at the state level. Money in a black hole. Only Kazakh southerners knew and know well. But southerners are not the whole of Kazakhstan, but not the majority.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg April 14 2014 12: 54
        +6
        There is no wrong in the west of the Republic of Kazakhstan Kazakh in progress. I was very surprised at the union with the guys from the Katon-Karagai region of the East Kazakhstan region (according to the knowledge of the Kazakh language, they killed the southerners), somewhere, too, with the union I thought that the Kazakh language was only in the south. And now the restoration of the language is even more taking place, the north is a little behind, but the language has been lost for 50-60 years and it will be the same number of years to restore its positions if not more.
  • Polarfox
    Polarfox April 14 2014 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: Aldo
    it's for 23 years, for which you never learned to speak Kazakh

    Some of the Kazakhs have not learned Kazakh in their entire lives. But we don’t need it. What for? I have Russian, there is English, I think, is enough for general education. In addition, the constitution guaranteed me that my Russian would be used on a par with Kazakh. I cheated. Although, the constitution has nothing to do with it, it's just that in Kazakhstan, laws generally work selectively. As, however, everywhere in the CIS.

    Quote: Aldo
    go to him and get a job.

    What for? I'd like to check out. I don’t believe promises anymore. Tired of feeling like a second-class man.

    About emigration: http://baursak.info/?tag=emigraciya
  • marshes
    marshes April 14 2014 12: 07
    +2
    This pensioner is interesting. He lives either in Moscow or in Moscow, he probably happens more often. smile All the same, the merits in the field of defense industry of the USSR are the city of Stepnogorsk. It is clear which department he supervised.
    So for interest.http: //primeminister.government.kz/kk/blogs/akhmetov_s/questions/188125
    1. Semurg
      Semurg April 14 2014 12: 44
      +6
      When the union lived in Tselinograd, there was 150 km to Stepnogorsk, Kazakhs weren’t allowed to go there for a cannon shot, even cleaners were brought there from the RSFSR (how are all Kazakhs spies a priori and will give out military secrets laughing ).
      1. marshes
        marshes April 14 2014 12: 58
        +2
        Yes, in all appeals does he indicate his address and contact numbers, so that the policeman would not be sent there? smile Appearance passwords? laughingOr maybe it's an agent pseudonym. laughing All the same, the enterprise was secure.
        1. marshes
          marshes April 14 2014 18: 53
          +4
          Here I look Schedule of cases scheduled for hearing in the appeal
          judicial board on criminal cases of the Akmola regional court

          Date and time of the review on June 02, 2010, 10-00 hours.
          1-220 case, and there KHABIEV KAMALKHAN KHAMITOVICH article 123 fine 250 MCI.
          Stepnogorsk City Court
          Referee Yesenbaev AND.A.
          Likely namesake. smile http://kk.docdat.com/docs/index-474543.html
          Art. 123. Compulsion to sexual intercourse, sodomy,
          lesbianism or other sexual acts
          character.http: //adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/T9700167_1_#z30
          1. Zymran
            Zymran April 14 2014 20: 39
            +4
            Quote: marshes
            Here I look Schedule of cases scheduled for hearing in the appeal
            judicial board on criminal cases of the Akmola regional court

            Date and time of the review on June 02, 2010, 10-00 hours.
            1-220 case, and there KHABIEV KAMALKHAN KHAMITOVICH article 123 fine 250 MCI.
            Stepnogorsk City Court
            Referee Yesenbaev AND.A.
            Likely namesake. http://kk.docdat.com/docs/index-474543.html
            Art. 123. Compulsion to sexual intercourse, sodomy,
            lesbianism or other sexual acts
            character.http: //adilet.zan.kz/rus/docs/T9700167_1_#z30


            Frisky grandfather as I look.
            1. marshes
              marshes April 14 2014 20: 58
              +1
              Quote: Zymran
              Frisky grandfather as I look.

              Campaign is a matter of psychiatry. He everywhere emphasizes that he is a veteran of the defense industry.
              Khabiev Kamalkhan Hamitovich
              Monday - 15/07/2013 Reply
              I am waiting for important documents for the financial floor of Astana sent from France on 08.06.2013. registered mail with a notification. in my name and in my address. France reports that this letter left their country on 08.06.2013/8277303258/0221500 under RK 7 FR. Later, a message arrived long ago in the Republic of Kazakhstan. I ask you to tell me where this message is. My plans include, in any case, to sue the customs or the National Security Committee, if they are involved in this case. This was announced already in the financial floor of Astana .. Honored Veteran of the Defense Industry of the USSR and the Republic of Kazakhstan Khabiev Kamalkhan Khamitovich. My address: 15, Stepnogorsk, microdistrict 91, building XNUMX, apartment XNUMX.

              http://clutch.kz/otslezhivanie-pochtovyx-otpravlenij-2/
              1. Zymran
                Zymran April 14 2014 21: 03
                +3
                Well, yes there is. But still, the grandfather was playful in his years. laughing
                1. marshes
                  marshes April 14 2014 21: 14
                  +4
                  My father is his peer but doesn’t stick out anywhere that he is a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, except when you need to get a tax certificate, a military registration and enlistment office then in either Gai or the akimat.
                  A neighbor is older than his father but not a front-line soldier, with a block of ribbons of anniversary awards he constantly walks. smileClinic.
                  1. Semurg
                    Semurg April 14 2014 21: 59
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                    Quote: marshes
                    My father is his peer but doesn’t stick out anywhere that he is a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, except when you need to get a tax certificate, a military registration and enlistment office then in either Gai or the akimat.
                    A neighbor is older than his father but not a front-line soldier, with a block of ribbons of anniversary awards he constantly walks. smileClinic.

                    After serving in the SA, my neighbor took me for about 3-4 years, well, I got tired of the horror and lured him and he fool and popper on August 2 in the central park, so he was quickly piled up and stripped to his underpants, and there weren’t cops before stayed away from the park that day, in general the neighbor no longer asked for anything out of shape laughing
                2. Semurg
                  Semurg April 14 2014 21: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Zymran
                  Well, yes there is. But still, the grandfather was playful in his years. laughing

                  Well, as Zhetpysbays appeared in our country, it’s true that they were annealing with their wives there, and this grandfather can be seen attaching herself to a strange woman, or even worse, there is also mention of sodomy in the article. In general, the story with the author of the article or his namesake is not very good.
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  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian April 14 2014 12: 13
    -1
    Quote: Aldo
    That is comrade authority. Scoop will not pass

    If you didn’t see, then the scoop will not pass ... and the 2.0 scoop is already advancing.
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  • Prutkov
    Prutkov April 14 2014 12: 25
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    Quote: antibanukuraza
    Senі not tolındyryp otyr? Orysja zhazan maқalaғa orissa jauap қaitaryp otyrmyn. Eger aitaryң wasps of the bolsa maғan jauap bersі, қазақша пікір талас жасайық

    I'll be in Russian, if you don't mind. You, in Kazakhstan, seem to also have distinctions for juzy (I apologize if the transcription is not correct). So. Do not expect that after your next "revolution" and self-determination, everything will remain as it is now. This has already been verified. And there is no need to look everywhere for the "Russian trace". This is a historical pattern. Look at Ukraine. Learn from other people's mistakes.
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 12: 42
      -1
      not only do they have a division into zhuzes, they must add the threat of Islamic fundamentalism - and this is not counting external threats.
      after squeezing out the Russians there will begin a bloody bath.
      1. antibanukurayza
        antibanukurayza April 15 2014 07: 44
        +6
        What do you understand about dividing into zhuzes? And Islamic fundamentalism is not only a threat to us. Yes, it is in our society. This threat is now hidden, but powerfully financed from the outside. They penetrate into government agencies, although they reveal, but still. And we, in particular myself, are fighting this! And we will fight while the blood beats in my veins! And no one squeezes out the Russians, they leave themselves. And there will be no bloody bath with the outflow of Russians, do not hope.
    2. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza April 15 2014 07: 39
      +4
      Listen, dear. The division into zhuzes, tribes and clans is in the blood of the Kazakhs, well, I can’t explain to you, you don’t have one. We do not want our revolution, we do not need another revolution. I was for the power dispersal of the provocateurs of the events in Zhanaozen and I can not stand the opposition, under the guise of patriots striving for power. I worked in law enforcement agencies and from within I know this nits and what they are. Before the opinion of forum users from Russia, I somehow do not care, they are people of a different mentality, with different ideas about Kazakhstan and Kazakhstanis. But what is striking, a Russian person who was born in Kazakhstan, who considers himself a citizen of Kazakhstan, is ready to forget everything and become a Russian and, moreover, call others to it!
      I am not a nationalist - I just value my nationality. I have the right to say the same as the Slavs say - "We are the Slavs! We are the Russians!" And I say - I am Kazakh! We are Kazakhs! And about the author of the article, my opinion is unchanged. I then asked about him - only complaints, appeals to poverty, a difficult life, etc. Where are his children? Where are his sons, if they failed to provide a decent old age for their father? Have they brought him to such a state that he writes complaints to all instances and complains about the standard of living? Yes, I’ll sell my last panties, so long as my father doesn’t go around with outstretched hand, he doesn’t hit the thresholds of corrupt bureaucrats! Respect for parents, respect for elders is hammered into us from an early age. BUT! Respect for those who deserve it, respect for those who are worthy of respect!
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 12: 49
    +4
    Quote: Scandinavian
    forced - this is for 23 of the year for which you never learned to speak Kazakh, so much noise out of the blue.
    As for the fact that there are no Russians in power, they prefer to do business and sow wheat. Here akim of Pavlodar region recently announced that he is looking for Russian officials, go to him and get a job.


    You ask the same question to the Kazakh themselves, why are you considering the issue from only one side? For 23 years, the Kazakhs themselves have learned to speak Kazakh. Any program to introduce the Kazakh language crashes at the state level. Money in a black hole. Only Kazakh southerners knew and know well. But southerners are not the whole of Kazakhstan, but not the majority.


    that southerners only know these stereotypes. For example, you know the Akzhar district of the North Kazakhstan region, or the Amangeldy district of the Kostanay region.
    They all know Kazakh. And the fact that some Kazakhs do not know Kazakhs is the result of an assimilation policy. And in this we do not blame the Russians who now live there, but blame the USSR.
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 April 14 2014 12: 51
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      Quote: Aldo
      Amangeldy district of Kostanay region.

      Is it in honor of Amangeldy Imanov?
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 12: 51
    +1
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Quote: Aldo
    That is comrade authority. Scoop will not pass

    If you didn’t see, then the scoop will not pass ... and the 2.0 scoop is already advancing.

    There will be no scoop, not possibly simple. We do not need a second iron curtain. We need the Eurasian Union of Independent States with respect for human rights without distortion.
  • Aldo
    Aldo April 14 2014 12: 54
    +3
    Quote: tokin1959
    not only do they have a division into zhuzes, they must add the threat of Islamic fundamentalism - and this is not counting external threats.
    after squeezing out the Russians there will begin a bloody bath.


    but don’t worry about the zhuzs, you won’t be able to play on it like in the 19th century. With financialism we somehow cope better in comparison with the Russian Federation (Praise be to Allah!)
    1. tokin1959
      tokin1959 April 14 2014 13: 12
      -1
      eeee, those who need your territory, they’ll play on the zhuzs, after the Russians leave, whoever can’t rush to you — Turks, Chinese, and Americans.
      they then divided the Russians into Ukrainians and Russians, set the Slavs against the Slavs, and it will be so with you. immediately no one will come to you with a war, they will buy everything up, and only then will troops be brought in to protect property and their citizens. a question for several decades.
      Well, you can speed it up - drive the Russian "occupiers" as soon as possible.
      others will come who will not invite you into unions and will offer friendship, and which you do not need at all, but only your lands.
    2. Sharingan
      Sharingan April 14 2014 20: 15
      0
      Quote: Aldo
      but don’t worry about the zhuzs, you won’t be able to play on it like in the 19th century. With financialism we somehow cope better in comparison with the Russian Federation (Praise be to Allah!)

      Who would have thought about the revival of fascism in Ukraine. So, do not promise.
      1. Aldo
        Aldo April 15 2014 06: 43
        +6
        Who would have thought that there would be fascism in the Russian Federation, but it already exists, xenophobia is called, a vivid expression of which skinheads in your cities have a golden ring.
    3. antibanukurayza
      antibanukurayza April 15 2014 07: 47
      +6
      True said brother! We are dealing with fundamentalism and will do it. True, recently the tactics of the Salafis have changed a little, but ... we have competent ustazy, praise be to Allah!
      1. Aldo
        Aldo April 15 2014 08: 13
        +3
        Salafism in itself is not dangerous, there are radical trends, for example. takfirits, who consider themselves to be Salafists, but who are not, by conviction. But of course there are Salafis, who are agents of the influence of SA, which are also dangerous.
  • groin
    groin April 14 2014 12: 58
    +4
    Do not judge the earthenware harshly. The person expressed his opinion, albeit emotionally, albeit clumsily, but clearly from the heart. I am sure that many (his generations and not only) think similarly, but to say openly "something slows down." talks about friendship and brotherhood, about deep integration, so to speak. So our presidents are about the same. We all need to understand that the difference is in us, in the color of the skin and the shape of the eyes, and we have in common everything human, human, family.