Military Review

Nuances of rearmament

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The provision of troops with modern weapons depends on the technical equipment of the defense industry.


The ground forces are one of the three types of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, designed to conduct combat operations primarily on land - in continental theaters of operations. How is the process of re-equipping them in accordance with the state defense order (GOZ) and the State Armaments Program (LG)? This is reflected in the acting commander-in-chief of the Land Forces.

One of the priorities of the construction and development of the Ground Forces is to build the capacity of formations and units by equipping them with modern weapons and military equipment (IWT). According to the LG for 2011 – 2020 years, the share of modern weapons in them will be at least 70 percent. The implementation of this program will create a weapon system that meets modern requirements.

Do we have time to date?

Re-equipment of the Ground Forces is envisaged in two stages. At the first stage (2011 – 2015), the main efforts will be focused on the purchase of modern types of weapons and military equipment, primarily for missile forces and artillery, reconnaissance, electronic warfare and communications, and automated tactical control systems. But this is according to the plans of the LG. Is there any guarantee that we can complete the tasks on time?

Nuances of rearmament


At present, systematic complex re-equipment of the Ground Forces with modern armaments within the framework of the implementation of the SAP is taking place. At the same time, a complex of research and developmental works on the creation of promising models of weapons and military equipment is being conducted.

In the period before 2015, purchases of modern designs, modernization of existing ones are planned, which will allow reaching the equipment indicator of the Ground Forces of at least 30 percent for main weapons and military equipment determining the look of the weapons system of the Ground Forces.

If we talk about intelligence units, then they will be purchased unmanned aerial vehicles, reconnaissance, control and communications complexes "Strelets", special armored vehicles "Tiger-M".

For units of military air defense - anti-aircraft missile systems C-300В4, "Buk-MZ", "Tor-M2".

For missile formations, the Iskander-M operational tactical missile systems. For artillery of combined-arms formations - Tornado-G multiple rocket launchers, Msta-S self-propelled howitzers with an automated gun guidance control system, Chrysanthem-S self-propelled anti-tank missile systems.

For the subunits of communications, modern means of communication of the tactical command and control level: command and staff vehicles, satellite communication stations, and radio relay stations. Modern means of procurement are being procured to the troops in accordance with established priorities.

In combined arms and tank The unit receives armored weapons - modernized T-72B3 tanks, as well as BTR-82A armored personnel carriers.

It is clear that in order to achieve this goal, enterprises in the industry must go through full technical re-equipment, strengthen their production and human resources. At the same time, restructuring production and increasing output is not an easy task, but it can be realized. The problem is how, in today's difficult conditions for enterprises of the military-industrial complex (DIC), to re-equip their production base and at the same time increase output, each company manager decides for himself. Although the state is now doing everything possible for this. Almost one hundred percent advance payment of the most significant projects is being made, contracts for the full life cycle have appeared, military acceptance is being revived ...

But, unfortunately, the existing technical equipment of individual enterprises of the military-industrial complex does not allow fully and in the shortest possible time to implement the requirements imposed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on modern and advanced weapons and military equipment models. For this, it is intended to attract private capital in the form of a public private partnership (PPP).

In order to reduce the backlog in this area, the Federal Target Program for the Development of the Military-Industrial Complex, aimed at modernizing production, is being implemented in parallel with the State Weapons Program.

Work is also continuing to simplify the procedure for creating new productions, including through the implementation of the PPP mechanism. A full life cycle management system is being implemented - from modeling and design to serial production of products, ensuring their operation and further disposal. Systems are being created aimed at improving the management of the economic activities of defense industry organizations in order to optimize production processes and use advanced technologies, including foreign ones.

It is planned to introduce the practice of concluding contracts for the entire life cycle of serially supplied samples of weapons and military equipment. This will reduce the time needed to place orders from the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, and from the organizations of the defense industry complex - to increase the efficiency of planning, to ensure early preparation of production, to create a system for ensuring and operating the service maintenance of products.

The implementation of these measures should positively affect the provision of solutions to the main tasks of re-equipping the Ground Forces with modern and prospective models and weapon systems in the period up to 2020. This work would not have been possible without the appropriate coordination of the actions of the ordering bodies of the Ministry of Defense, federal executive bodies and organizations of the country's military-industrial complex.

It is clear that there are enterprises that are leaders, and there are laggards. But it is hardly necessary to prove the fact that the backlog of enterprises in modernization affects the fulfillment of the state defense order as a whole.

I repeat: our industry is able to fulfill the tasks of the state defense order. Each company is famous for its products in the Russian market and abroad. But exactly those enterprises that are able to accomplish the ambitious tasks set for them are entering the competition. An analysis of the reasons for non-fulfillment of contracts shows that they are, as a rule, of a private nature and are not directly related to the production and technological readiness of enterprises. Common problems with the implementation of the state defense order are most often:

- the insufficiency of the scientific and technical reserve and production capacity of fixed assets;
-low supply of personnel, raw materials, materials and components;
- imperfect pricing;
-small efficiency of use of the test base.


World-class military developments are available.

The main priorities in the rearmament of the Ground Forces today are:

- development and creation of new types and complexes of weapons and military equipment in order to implement new technical solutions based on the latest achievements of science and technology;
-complete equipment of formations and military units with new models of weapons and military equipment;
-creation of a unified automated system of intelligence and information support of the Ground Forces at all levels of command and control;
-multi-functionality and modularity of the design of weapons and military equipment;
- introduction and widespread use of robotic systems and complexes, including complexes with unmanned aerial vehicles;
-creation of combat equipment with elements of intelligent systems, allowing you to maximize the capabilities of military personnel of various specialties.


It is possible that in the future, in the formation of proposals for the State Armaments Program for the next program period, these areas will undergo changes based on various factors. But as long as they remain up to the year 2020.

Of course, the market economy places high demands on the technical equipment of defense enterprises. Alas, among them there are those that do not receive the state defense order from the Armed Forces of the country. In fact, they are going through hard times. Moreover, now there is a real struggle for receiving the state order. But does this mean that the products of enterprises that have not received the state defense order do not need the country? And what, then, should be done by those enterprises that, voluntarily or unwittingly, have been left behind the ongoing processes of modernization of the Armed Forces?

I repeat: it is necessary to fight for receiving the GOZ. For this and the corresponding contests. In addition, the placement of tasks of the state defense order is regulated by the current legislation and is carried out within the framework of the implementation of the State armaments program in accordance with the standard-time requirement.

So, perhaps, the solution of the problem for companies-losers is in their reorientation to the output of dual-use products, new and competitive.

As for the nuances of the second stage of rearmament (2016 – 2020), they, of course, are.

In particular, a mass serial purchase of a number of fundamentally new types of weapons for the Ground Forces has been planned since 2016. These are the promising tank Armata, the Boomerang armored personnel carrier, the Kurganets-25 infantry fighting vehicle and the Typhoon family of protected vehicles. During the IX international exhibition of weapons, military equipment and ammunition "Russian exhibition of weapons. Nizhny Tagil-2013 ”was organized a closed display of prototypes. Currently, work on the creation of these samples is mainly proceeding in accordance with the planned deadlines.

These promising models will be qualitatively different from the samples of armored weapons and military motor vehicles that are currently in service with the Ground Forces. During their development, great attention was paid to the level of protection of personnel against the damaging factors of the usual weapons, unification of the main components and assemblies, the creation of a modular design in combination with the open architecture of the "electronic board". This will allow you to create various models of weapons and military equipment on the database of families, opens up virtually unlimited possibilities for their modernization.

Now the Russian army is armed with 600 launchers of multiple launch rocket launchers (MLRS), which are planned to be completely replaced by new MLRS “Tornado” before 2020. What can be said about this car and how has the new jet system “Tornado-G” tested itself in tests?

The 122-mm rocket launcher “Tornado-G” performed the state testing program in full and was recommended for use by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Deliveries of this system to formations and military units of the Ground Forces are carried out in volumes and terms according to the approved plans. However, before the 2015, it is planned not only to purchase modern weapons, but also to modernize existing ones. And it will significantly change the balance of the modernized and completely new technology. Which way?

Bulk procurement of fundamentally new weapons will be made from 2016 year. At the same time, at the present time, models of weapons and military equipment that have been modernized and are being supplied to the troops meet modern requirements. I will give an example of the modernization of the T-72B3 tank, which has a modern radio station, a new fire control system, a digital ballistic computer that allows several times to reduce calculations, a multi-channel gunner's sight with a thermal imaging channel, and new equipment of enhanced power with appropriate revision introduced into ammunition. automatic loader.

Therefore, to say that we are lagging behind the West in creating new types of weapons is not entirely fair. We have military development and world level.

There are also those in which we occupy leading positions, for example, air defense equipment of the Ground Forces. She is one of the best in the world. And in the armament of the missile troops and artillery of the Ground Forces are fire weapons, superior foreign counterparts, such as the Iskander-M missile system.

All this suggests that the time lag and stagnation of our army is over. Ahead is the development and creation of a new type of Armed Forces.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 10 2014 12: 54
    +5
    So good ... that's just for
    Armored weapons - modernized T-72B3 tanks enter the combined arms and tank units
    there are still MUCH questions ... It would not be better to return to modification B2, there are not many changes, but ... necessary
    1. Sergh
      Sergh April 10 2014 13: 02
      +34
      The first one went.
      The first American private action movie was caught in Kharkov.

      1. Mizhgan
        Mizhgan April 10 2014 13: 13
        +15
        He would still have to break his knee joint and have him say on camera that "I am an American soldier in a private army." Although it will be ... Even without joint fractures. Let's wait.
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        3. ele1285
          ele1285 April 10 2014 13: 55
          +19
          Quote: Mijgan
          He would still have to break his knee joint, and tell on camera that "I am an American soldier of a private army."

          Yes, the dog with him, there the Finns took care
          Interestingly, Hannu Krogerus is not alone in her opinion regarding the joint Finnish-Russian future. Recently, a member of the local parliament from the True Finns party, Juho Eerola, proposed to conclude a strategic military alliance between Finland and Russia. In his opinion, this is the only reliable way to guarantee the safety and welfare of the Finns. His party colleague, Hemmo Koskinini, went even further and demanded that Finland rejoin the Russian state. “Russia is for us the most reliable partner we trust,” the deputy said.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes April 10 2014 14: 12
            +10
            Quote: ele1285
            Interestingly, Hannu Krogerus is not alone in her opinion regarding the joint Finnish-Russian future.

            No, hesitate. Western Europe with its "values" is nevertheless closer to them!
            And so, welcome! I personally do not mind.
            1. Andreitch
              Andreitch April 10 2014 16: 07
              +3
              And the fishing is good there.
            2. ele1285
              ele1285 April 10 2014 16: 15
              +2
              Quote: Arberes
              Western Europe with its "values" is nevertheless closer to them!

              Come on, for slapping a child on the ass, send the child to the orphanage. These are Finnish values
              1. zeleznijdorojnik
                zeleznijdorojnik April 10 2014 18: 08
                +2
                Their goal is not to protect the child (the primordial Finn can raise his child with a belt if he wants), but to pick up a new Finn who will not leave the country in an orphanage. The global problem of Finland is degeneration — there are only 5 million of them (there are less than one Petersburg in the country), people have been settled in the same territories for more than a thousand years, there haven’t been mass migrations, nor have there been conquests like the Golden Horde, so they willy-nilly, degenerate, enter into incestuous relationships, it is understandably unintentional, but who will guarantee that after living for 1500 years on the same farm your blood does not mix with the neighbor’s couple of times. They have the same story with Swedes and other Europeans - at the first opportunity, children, foster families, etc. In some ways I understand them, but I do not support them.
          2. Fucknato
            Fucknato April 10 2014 14: 16
            +6
            Russia now has relations with those with whom it had to fight, better than those with whom there was no "hot" war ...
            1. bulvas
              bulvas April 10 2014 14: 40
              +7
              Quote: FuckNato
              Russia now has relations with those with whom it had to fight, better than with those with whom there was no "hot" war


              No wonder who tried - no longer wants to step on this rake
            2. COLUN
              COLUN April 10 2014 15: 18
              +3
              Yes, it was necessary to pile amers in Vietnam more seriously, they would be kinder.
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 April 10 2014 22: 07
                0
                Quote: COLUN
                Yes, it was necessary to pile amers in Vietnam more seriously, they would be kinder.

                Yes, there were no Soviet troops there, we caught butterflies there.
            3. Orc-xnumx
              Orc-xnumx April 10 2014 16: 42
              +1
              Quote: FuckNato
              Russia now has relations with those with whom it had to fight, better than those with whom there was no "hot" war ...

              Those with whom they had to fight remember what "Russian tanks on the streets" are!
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          4. Makskei
            Makskei April 10 2014 15: 19
            -3
            And what? You can join Finland!
          5. Makskei
            Makskei April 10 2014 15: 19
            +1
            And what? You can join Finland!
        4. bif
          bif April 10 2014 14: 30
          0
          Quote: Mijgan
          He would still have to break his knee joint and have him say on camera that "I am an American soldier in a private army." Although it will be ... Even without joint fractures. Let's wait.

          To break the joints is unnecessary, you just need to cut the Achilles tendon: it’s easier and can’t escape and it doesn’t hurt, as they used to do with rapists, cut these ligaments and gave the crowd angry women to be torn to pieces.
      2. Arberes
        Arberes April 10 2014 13: 31
        +16
        Quote: Sergh
        The first American private action movie was caught in Kharkov.

        If this is really true, but really want to believe! Then we have in our hands irrefutable evidence of the gross interference of the United States in the internal affairs of Ukraine! It’s interesting how John Kerry, who declared to the whole world that US mercenaries in Ukraine, will jingle and twist NO?
        I would be in the place of the respected Sergey Lavrov would poke him !!!
        PASCUDA HAS REACHED! I wonder what will happen to him ??????????
        1. Bkmz
          Bkmz April 10 2014 13: 35
          +8
          He will say that the prisoner is not a citizen of the school and that’s all, but some kind of Canadian or Mexican, they are two-faced and hypocritical ..........
          1. Arberes
            Arberes April 10 2014 13: 44
            +8
            Quote: Bkmz
            He will say that the prisoner is not a citizen of the school and that’s all, but some kind of Canadian or Mexican,

            Well, if you work professionally with this fruit and show its recognition on all news channels, then ...
            The main thing is how widely it can be voiced and presented to the entire world community! Squeeze out every last dividend!
            Let them rub off in full.
            1. zzz
              zzz April 10 2014 14: 25
              +2
              Quote: Arberes
              The main thing is how widely it can be voiced and presented to the entire world community! Squeeze out every last dividend!
              Let them rub off in full.


              Let the path to the rest show, to capture this "army" as a whole, when they are asleep, then they will definitely wipe themselves out!
              1. Arberes
                Arberes April 10 2014 14: 32
                +5
                Quote: zzz

                Let the track to the rest showto seize this "army" as a whole, when they are asleep, then they will definitely be wiped out in full!

                Would anyone just have this operation? Are there any such specialists in Kharkov? hi
                Yes, I want to add. Usually after capturing one of their specialists, the rest of the group changes their location! All those mercenaries are no more stupid than us.
                1. zzz
                  zzz April 10 2014 15: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: Arberes
                  Yes, I want to add. Usually after capturing one of their specialists, the rest of the group changes their location! All those mercenaries are no more stupid than us.


                  They are in a foreign country, and that means a lot. Yesterday we showed where they are deployed in the city in some military unit, and so the two went out, the form is unfamiliar, it’s clear that they’re lying new. But here's the conversation! The elder spoke something in Russian, but it was clear that he often speaks a different language. An interesting plot, is somewhere in the internet.
              2. Anatoly39
                Anatoly39 April 10 2014 15: 44
                +2
                Not to capture, but to destroy.
                1. GRANATE-19
                  GRANATE-19 April 10 2014 16: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Anatoly39
                  Not to capture, but to destroy.

                  MY RECOGNITION TO YOU !!!
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            2. Manul
              Manul April 10 2014 15: 04
              +6
              Quote: Arberes
              Quote: Bkmz
              He will say that the prisoner is not a citizen of the school and that’s all, but some kind of Canadian or Mexican,
              Well, if you work professionally with this fruit and show its recognition on all news channels, then ...
              The main thing is how widely it can be voiced and presented to the entire world community! Squeeze out every last dividend!
              Let them rub off in full.

              You are wrong, you are all very wrong! Western media will scream loudly that Russian special forces in the occupied territory of the sovereign Outskirts have captured a poor unfortunate tourist / observer - a US citizen! They beat him up and drugged him. Then they dressed him up in the uniform of the heroic unit of the Outskirts special forces "Sogol" and tortured him into confession / basely edited a confession that he was a hired soldier of a private military office from the United States.
              What do you think - to whom the layman will believe?
              They must be left in dozens of dozens in our prisons, to a more favorable info-climate to expose, or paved in the asphalt so that any trash thinks a hundred thousand times to go against the Russians, or maybe it’s not worth it anyway. - send teeth in a parcel to the house. And what - the goods are not perishable, unlike fingers.
              1. Anatoly39
                Anatoly39 April 10 2014 15: 45
                +1
                +100500 +++++++++++++++++++++
              2. zzz
                zzz April 10 2014 15: 54
                +1
                Quote: Manul
                What do you think - to whom the layman will believe?


                Well, in this situation, it turns out that we need to lie so brazenly, and with such honest eyes, that the whole world will cry!
                1. Orc-xnumx
                  Orc-xnumx April 10 2014 16: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: zzz
                  Quote: Manul
                  What do you think - to whom the layman will believe?


                  Well, in this situation, it turns out that we need to lie so brazenly, and with such honest eyes, that the whole world will cry!

                  Like the Ukrainian media!
                2. Manul
                  Manul April 10 2014 20: 27
                  0
                  Quote: zzz
                  Well, in this situation, it turns out that we need to lie so brazenly, and with such honest eyes, that the whole world will cry!

                  For example winked - this "tourist" raped 100 unfortunate Ukrainian girls (having previously committed a serial robbery of local pharmacies, having stolen a year's supply of Viagra of the unfortunate Ukrainian people), casually turned away the heads of dozens of homeless cats and dogs, transferring his grandmother across the road meanly left her there - and a defenseless elderly woman was knocked down car, pasted leaflets about separatism (Russia is for integrity, we are just for federalization wink ), the investigators claimed that Snowden is the right guy and all America is proud of him, keeps a portrait of Stalin, Putin and Kim Jong-un in his wallet, and with him a diary was found in which there is an entry - "November 22, 1963. I killed the XNUMXth President of the United States John F. Kennedy. I am proud of myself. Cleared the world of filth! "
              3. not main
                not main April 11 2014 03: 05
                0
                Quote: Manul
                to roll into the asphalt so that every trash thinks a hundred thousand times, go against the Russian, or maybe still do not stand

                That's it roll up! And in asphalt, concrete or other substance is a choice!
            3. Anatoly39
              Anatoly39 April 10 2014 15: 43
              0
              Do not squeeze anything out of him. I work for such-and-such LLC as a “chief engineer”. LLC "so and so will say that he was not sent anywhere. Acted as a private person. And that's all
              1. zzz
                zzz April 10 2014 16: 03
                +1
                Quote: Anatoly39
                Do not squeeze anything out of him. I work for such-and-such LLC as a “chief engineer”. LLC "so and so will say that he was not sent anywhere. Acted as a private person. And that's all


                No, not all! He perfectly understands that if he doesn’t tell the truth, they won’t be released just like that, and he works for money, not for convictions. This is a big difference.
                1. Orc-xnumx
                  Orc-xnumx April 10 2014 16: 50
                  0
                  And there, what will they do to him if he splits ?!
              2. Arberes
                Arberes April 10 2014 16: 46
                +1
                Quote: Anatoly39
                Do not squeeze anything out of him. I work for such-and-such LLC as a “chief engineer”. LLC "so and so will say that he was not sent anywhere. Acted as a private person. And that's all

                Why is there such disbelief in our special services?
                They will split her ass, and then he will also ask for political asylum from us, of course, at the prompt of our office.
            4. Andreitch
              Andreitch April 10 2014 16: 11
              +4
              I will support, the "fruit" is valuable, there is something to show the countries of "democracies". It is now necessary to groom and cherish him!
              1. Orc-xnumx
                Orc-xnumx April 10 2014 16: 51
                +3
                And you need to work with him!
            5. ele1285
              ele1285 April 10 2014 22: 13
              0
              Quote: Arberes
              The main thing is how widely it can be voiced and presented to the entire world community!

              Please note that GDP is silent, as it is before the Crimea. The female genital organ will be there soon.
        2. Hammer
          Hammer April 10 2014 14: 16
          +5
          Quote: Arberes
          Then we have in our hands irrefutable evidence of the gross interference of the United States in the internal affairs of Ukraine! I wonder how John Kerry, who declared to the whole world that there are NO US mercenaries in Ukraine, will jingle and twist.


          so that's the beauty of private mercenary armies, that the official authorities are not responsible for them. And J. Kerry grimaces his eba.l.o. in a grin and with "honest" eyes, he will say that we did not send him there, but this citizen came to Kharkov on his own and at his own risk ... So break both his knees and hands with a hammer. and throw it in the trash, where it belongs. Beforehand, just squeeze out of it the place of deployment of other mattress mats, block it there and burn them with Molotov cocktails ...
          1. Arberes
            Arberes April 10 2014 14: 20
            +4
            Quote: Hammer
            So break both his knees, and brush his hammer with a r.scher.achi.t and throw it in the trash, where he belongs. previously only squeeze out of it the place of deployment of other mattresses, block there and burn them with Molotov cocktails ...

            And throw his severed head into his previously withdrawn place of deployment of his colleagues! Crush morally! drinks
            I do not want to think that this is a linden! hi

            that the official authorities are not responsible for them
            I'm not talking about that. I mean Johnny's statement that there are no mercenaries on the territory of Ukraine! He told this to our diplomats! So "Comrade" Kerry is a big starball? But they are all like that!
            1. Anatoly39
              Anatoly39 April 10 2014 15: 47
              +1
              And barake's head to bed laughing
        3. Stiletto
          Stiletto April 10 2014 14: 17
          +2
          Quote: Arberes
          If this is really true, but really want to believe! Then we have in our hands irrefutable evidence of the gross interference of the United States in the internal affairs of Ukraine! It’s interesting how John Kerry, who has declared to the whole world that there are NO US mercenaries, will jingle and twist around? I would poke him in the place of the respected Sergey Lavrov !!! I wonder what will happen to him ???????????



          Unscrew his boss, and it will be fine. And Kerry said that it was: "The Americans do not fight in Ukraine, is it true, Johnny? You yourself assured us of this ..."
        4. maxxdesign
          maxxdesign April 10 2014 15: 20
          +2
          they don’t need to get out, they will say that this is a private military company, anyone can hire it for both protection and combat operations .. the government is not responsible for them! so that you can safely put these warriors against the wall and according to the law of wartime ...
        5. Anatoly39
          Anatoly39 April 10 2014 15: 40
          +1
          We have no conclusive evidence of gross interference by the United States in the internal affairs of Ukraine. These are mercenaries. Private individuals.
        6. Pusher
          Pusher April 10 2014 16: 02
          0
          The military company is private. The US authorities are not officially responsible for it ... alas ... "bribes are smooth"
        7. stillrat
          stillrat April 10 2014 16: 38
          0
          Sir, you are not a case of the liberal Kremlin administration? Americans all over the world say; "we spent $ 6bn on the Maidan" they go there to distribute buns, one of the Maidanites is caught with an M16 (not with a SVD or Kalash, please note, although they are like mud there), etc.
          And the video is most likely left.
        8. ele1285
          ele1285 April 10 2014 22: 11
          0
          Quote: Arberes
          Then we have in our hands irrefutable evidence of the gross interference of the United States in the internal affairs of Ukraine!

          What fright? This Negro from the private army has to do with amers insofar as the rest of them screamed from the bus that they were from Kremenchug, though in Ukrainian it wasn’t a thorn. Watch the video.
      3. ksendzov1971
        ksendzov1971 April 10 2014 13: 33
        +6
        URAAAAAAAAA! BEAT AMERICANS, for our brothers came to decide how they should live creatures.
      4. SS68SS
        SS68SS April 10 2014 13: 34
        +2
        Let him speak on his rack ...
        1. Orik
          Orik April 10 2014 13: 41
          +7
          Quote: SS68SS
          Let him speak on his rack ...

          Why on the rack ?? He will say so, for they don’t play heroes for money.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 April 10 2014 14: 16
            +5
            Quote: Orik

            Why on the rack ?? He will say so, for they don’t play heroes for money.

            interesting, but he eats fat?
            1. Orik
              Orik April 10 2014 14: 31
              +4
              Quote: ele1285
              interesting, but he eats fat?

              Do you propose to torture with fat? laughing But this is not humane ...
              1. Arberes
                Arberes April 10 2014 14: 39
                +4
                Quote: ele1285
                interesting, but he eats fat?

                Fat is still on this nits translate!

                Quote: Orik
                Do you propose to torture with fat? But this is not humane ...

                Feed your own big macs! This will be a terrible death!
                He ended his life by self-gluttony! So they will write on his grave!
              2. ele1285
                ele1285 April 10 2014 15: 53
                0
                Quote: Orik
                Do you propose to torture with fat? But this is not humane ...

                We are peaceful people and fickles later put in his mouth, let him eat and not choke.
          2. Manul
            Manul April 10 2014 15: 14
            +2
            Quote: Orik
            Why on the rack ??

            Yes, simply because I want to. Question - the answer to which is of interest in terms of rearing, there is only one - IN FIG YOU HAVE BOTTLE HERE ??? !!!!
          3. Nickanor
            Nickanor April 10 2014 16: 11
            +1
            Fuck him with "truth serum" and the bad boy will drain everything.
            Then coat with tar and dump in feathers.
      5. SS68SS
        SS68SS April 10 2014 13: 34
        +3
        Let him speak on his rack ...
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto April 10 2014 14: 19
          +4
          Quote: SS68SS
          Let him speak on his rack ...


          Well, on the rack - for two days do not let in the shower, do not give Coca-Cola, and that’s all ... But he decides to unlock, drink properly, and not hang over.
          1. Anatoly39
            Anatoly39 April 10 2014 15: 51
            0
            Do not give out diapers yet. And his guards give out gas masks.
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      7. I read the news
        I read the news April 10 2014 14: 11
        0
        Has the gunman survived?
      8. IOwTZ
        IOwTZ April 10 2014 16: 30
        +2
        bring to the square .. so that all the journalists would take it off .. that he would say who he is .. then give pi.dy and without pants on foot send back .. or by boat take to the Black Sea and throw him into the sea next to their destroyer ..more he swims there now ..
      9. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 April 10 2014 18: 42
        0
        Fell the wolf !!!!!!!!!! negative am
      10. cosmos111
        cosmos111 April 10 2014 20: 14
        0
        Australian mercenaries (((
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak April 10 2014 13: 35
      -4
      Quote: svp67
      still there are a LOT of questions ...

      It is curious enough to get acquainted with the expert opinion:

      Guilty without guilt
      Oleg Matveychev, political strategist

      Given:

      1. Recent events in Crimea, sudden exercises, etc., have shown that Russia has an army, is well armed, equipped, and trained. By the way, the events in South Ossetia confirmed the same thing. Even living conditions seem to Ukrainians just a fairy tale.
      2. Again, the latest actions of the authorities (in the broadest sense of the word) indicate the presence of common sense and logic. As well as the professionalism of the army commanders, who supposedly all "left the army."

      The army is not done for six months, and for the year too. But in the beginning of the zero we had no combat-ready units and there was a complete collapse.

      Conclusion: Serdyukov did not harm, or perhaps brought great benefit.

      By the way, of the 15 billion that he allegedly stole, the Ministry of Defense has already recognized that everything was found. And the part turned out to be insignificant in the scale of the army and obviously did not have a direct relationship with Serdyukov personally.

      Or maybe it is worth punishing those representatives of the Investigative Committee who unprofessionally promoted on Serdyukov, made him a demon, discredited all the power in Russia, and then turned out to be unable to prove anything?
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. April 10 2014 13: 53
        +15
        Of course, Serdyukov is all white and fluffy! And the contract with France for the construction of "Mistrals", and the Italian armored vehicles, and the collapse of military medicine and education! Not everything falls under the criminal code. Marked bear was also given the highest order of Russia instead of a trial.
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 10 2014 14: 24
          -4
          Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
          Of course, Serdyukov is all white and fluffy!

          Why do you think so? As usual - "The forest is chopped - the chips are flying"
          Serdyuk is a rather unpleasant person to talk to. He, like a bulldozer, climbed to fulfill the GDP plan, but he just went too far. And he was extremely surprised that "Vova and Dima" (he was the only one who called them that) did not support him against the seething generals. But, the Moor did his job - the Moor can leave, but Tolik did not get it and immediately got on a sopatka with a cistern of slops ...
      2. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 April 10 2014 14: 07
        +2
        Quote: Cherdak
        Conclusion: Serdyukov did no harm, and maybe brought great benefit.

        This still needs to be verified.
        Natural questions arise immediately.
        Why was there such a fuss in the press?
        Why was this done before a full investigation of all "sins"?
        Moreover, both on TV and in other media, representatives of the UK officially confirmed all this information.
        What is that supposed to mean?
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 10 2014 14: 36
          -2
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Why was there such a fuss in the press?

          During his time as Minister of Defense, Serdyukov carried out large-scale personnel shifts in the top military leadership. Almost all the deputy ministers of defense, commanders-in-chief of the branches of the Armed Forces, commanders of military branches, as well as military districts and fleets, were replaced.
          By the end of the first half of 2008, the staff of the deputies and service chiefs of the head of the Ministry of Defense of Russia was updated by more than 70%

          Isn't that enough?

          Soldiers stopped chasing the construction of general dachas! This is horror!

          When taking office, Serdyukov outlined the implementation of the housing program for servicemen as one of the key priorities of his activities. According to the plan of the Ministry of Defense, the liquidation of the queue and the transition to providing military personnel with housing in the year they are recognized as needing them will happen by 2013.

          One of Serdyukov's initiatives was the development of a new military uniform that meets modern requirements.

          Launch of the rearmament program. Equipping the Armed Forces of Russia with the latest models of weapons and military equipment, including foreign production.

          For this, they will not only create noise in the press, but they can also crush
          1. PPL
            PPL April 10 2014 14: 45
            +5
            During his time as Minister of Defense, Serdyukov carried out ...

            You yourself are not funny from such arguments? laughing
            1. Black
              Black April 10 2014 15: 46
              +2
              Quote: PPZ
              You yourself are not funny from such arguments?


              Well, already a colleague and minus sign caught, mocking Taburetkin ... what
              So I'll read the comments to the end, and "Hero" will not be enough ... And Vasiliev from behind will be much more attractive.
              1. PPL
                PPL April 10 2014 16: 16
                +2
                ... and the "Hero" will not be enough.

                What kind of "hero", "saint" is not less ... lol
      3. PPL
        PPL April 10 2014 14: 08
        +6
        Conclusion: Serdyukov did no harm, and maybe brought great benefit.

        This is not a conclusion, but an attempt to whitewash Serdyukov. am
        And a good moment was chosen for this, when everyone empathizes with the events in Ukraine, slowly letting the disa into the masses, maybe in the brain it will hook.
        No, cutlets should be separate from flies! stop
        Now they have remembered Gorbachev, they want to call for accountability for the collapse of the USSR (source http://izvestia.ru/news/568959), so I think there will still be questions for Serdyukov!
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak April 10 2014 14: 17
          -6
          Quote: PPZ
          This is not a conclusion, but an attempt to whitewash Serdyukov.

          Or maybe just look from a position of facts?
          Or is there only your opinion and the wrong?

          I still remember the shaft of emotions when some private suffered. And personally Serdyuk was to blame for this.

          Serdyuk’s task was unequivocal - to restore elementary order in the army. At the same time, he worked hard, but at least he achieved something.

          Under Shoigu, there are also enough financial violations, maybe worse than those of "Taburetkin", but this is a matter of the future, if again the "general's community" grieves for the pinched tails.
          1. PPL
            PPL April 10 2014 14: 42
            +2
            Or maybe just look from a position of facts?

            No need to juggle - "is there only your opinion and the wrong one?" No. Or is it an attempt to "shut up" the opponent's mouth? lol
            Operating with mythical facts (without citing a single one) you yourself admit that, that "he screwed up a lot at the same time ...". fool
            With the fact that "Serdyuk's task was unambiguous - to restore elementary order in the army." no one argues, but what is the result? Where is the order? In what? What was left of the Serdyukov reform in the end?
            I do not need to set Shoigu as an example - I did not serve with him, and I know about him and his activities, only from the media. By the way, I did not say a word about him. You probably know better ...
            1. Cherdak
              Cherdak April 10 2014 14: 59
              -2
              Quote: PPZ
              an attempt to "shut up" the opponent's mouth?

              No, just a proposal to consider the issue from all available sides. And do not succumb to the "herd feeling".

              Quote: PPZ
              In terms of mythical facts

              What's mythical? There is a "Serdyukov" rearmament plan. It's available. And there are estimates of its implementation. What's easier than just familiarizing yourself with it?


              Quote: PPZ
              Where is the order? In what? What is the result of the Serdyukov reform?

              In the real state of today's Russian army. Yes, and no one has canceled Serdyukov’s reforms, so they are creating a new model of army.
              1. PPL
                PPL April 10 2014 15: 20
                0
                ... do not succumb to the "herd feeling".

                For me, it’s better to see the obvious together with the “herd” than to prove that black is white, only a little smudged.
                And all this in order not to be like everyone else? lol
                1. Cherdak
                  Cherdak April 10 2014 16: 08
                  0
                  Quote: PPZ
                  And all this in order not to be like everyone else?

                  And I have never been "like everyone else." Your opinion is more valuable.
                  I am more impressed by the position of the Chinese, who said that Mao was only 90% right and only 10% wrong. And calmly move on. And we don’t have a ruler - after his death there is a murky wave of groaning. And no one makes balanced estimates.
                  So it is here.
                  Maybe sometimes it's worth overcoming the "herd inertia" created by the Creakly?
                  1. PPL
                    PPL April 10 2014 16: 36
                    0
                    I am more impressed by the position of the Chinese who spoke ...

                    Did they say this in chorus or each individually? laughing
                    And we don’t have a ruler - after his death there is a murky wave of groaning
                    How does this relate to Serdyukov? request He seems to be alive, and he was not a ruler.
                    And finally:
                    If I disagree with your assessment, then I am subject to the "Inertia of the herd", which is created by the kreakly?
                    Do not remind me who asked me today: "Or is there only your opinion and the wrong one?"
                    Red Army soldier Sukhov: "So we do not advise you to kill yourself in vain. This is a vain occupation ..."
                    hi
                    1. Cherdak
                      Cherdak April 10 2014 20: 43
                      0
                      Serezha, how old are you?
                      1. PPL
                        PPL April 10 2014 23: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Cherdak
                        Serezha, how old are you?

                        Judging by this question, are the arguments over? laughing
                      2. Cherdak
                        Cherdak April 11 2014 15: 29
                        0
                        Quote: PPZ
                        are the arguments over?

                        No, just that is pointless.
    3. Fin
      Fin April 10 2014 15: 28
      +2
      Quote: Cherdak
      It is curious enough to get acquainted with the expert opinion:

      Attic, do you fulfill Sedyukov’s order? Just read it on a branch about SU-35.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak April 10 2014 16: 00
        0
        Quote: Fin
        Are you fulfilling Sedyukov’s order?

        No, I didn’t like him in my student days.
        I just don't like being kicked with the fanaticism of a "toothless defeated"
        1. GRANATE-19
          GRANATE-19 April 10 2014 16: 57
          0
          Quote: Cherdak
          Quote: Fin
          Are you fulfilling Sedyukov’s order?

          No, I didn’t like him in my student days.
          I just don't like being kicked with the fanaticism of a "toothless defeated"

          I apologize for interfering, but please reply to the veteran, are you not from the school ?!
          1. Cherdak
            Cherdak April 10 2014 19: 56
            0
            Quote: GRANATE-19
            but please answer the veteran

            The answer is no, and I'm older.
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    4. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 10 2014 16: 19
      +3
      Quote: Cherdak
      Serdyukov did not harm, or perhaps brought great benefit.

      Cherdak, if there would be no benefit from a stool - he would have already been sentenced to twenty years of daily execution ...

      Yes, he made the brigades more mobile and equipped ... BUT:

      - Currently deployed aircraft at the moment are not able to solve problems on ALL potential theater of operations, but only regional conflicts. (There will be neither troops nor weapons. For example: 2000 tanks - chickens are laughing at such a territory as the Russian Federation.)
      - the differentiated approach to OShR at various theater stages is collapsed.
      - introduced an ineffective 3's stellar aircraft control principle.
      - there is no accelerated transition of these brigades to deployed divisions (it's good that at least the "tail" of the attached units and divisions of the division has almost completely passed into the structure of the brigades).
      - MOB.SYSTEM collapsed. This is a state crime in ANY country.
      - educational and scientific activities have collapsed. Some "bases" cannot be restored.
      - destroyed unique combat units (specialists).
      - torn GS.
      - Sortsing introduced in aircraft maintenance - 2-3 times increased the cost of the same services and work for aircraft.
      - Absorbed in kickbacks Oboronservis (BMR-3)
      - that dofiga what else ...
      and plus - the humiliation of the Army ... s.ka.

      Those. to credit the stool with a few small pluses in a CAR OF HUGE MINUSES ... and with enormous resources spent on this ... well, this is completely out of the blue or into the Red Army.
      IMHO.
      Respectfully:
      Alex.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak April 10 2014 20: 01
        0
        Quote: Aleks tv
        IMHO.

        I appreciate your reasoned opinion hi
        But I remain at my own.
        Winston Leopard Spencer Churchill was a decent bastard, but his statement, I think, needs to be knocked out in capital letters in front of the MO:
        Generals always prepare for last war
  2. avg
    avg April 10 2014 13: 47
    +2
    Now it is important that the development of everything new is as fast and high-quality as possible, as well as working out interaction at all levels using new opportunities. Something does not increase combat effectiveness as a skillful, professional use of all the best qualities of their weapons. And vice versa, the lack of readiness to use new weapons nullifies all their technical advantages.
  3. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv April 10 2014 13: 55
    +2
    Quote: svp67
    It would not be better to return to the modification of B2, there are not many changes, but ... necessary

    Sergei:
    good

    And it’s better to slap B2 and B3 together + refinement of the commander’s place.
    The highlight would come out.
    winked
  4. zeleznijdorojnik
    zeleznijdorojnik April 10 2014 18: 01
    0
    T-80u and ub-this is the Machine. It’s clear that Armata might be better, but why should they drive 80s to storage bases. I understand to modernize the 72nd (we have had a lot of them since Soviet times) and send them to normal BHVTs (rather than unloading directly into the forest, as we have), but to exploit the 80s.
  • Chemicalin23
    Chemicalin23 April 10 2014 12: 57
    +2
    And this can not but rejoice! Finally, the country's leadership fully realized the importance of this problem.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich April 10 2014 12: 59
    +3
    there is everything! but it’s not enough ... there isn’t exactly the mass supply of new types of weapons to the troops, including high-precision weapons ... but a lot of things are few (sorry for the pun) hi
  • JoylyRoger
    JoylyRoger April 10 2014 12: 59
    +1
    I want to hope and believe
  • SS68SS
    SS68SS April 10 2014 13: 02
    +4
    Want peace, get ready for war. That's right, that there is a rearmament. And in the media you need to cover more. They are afraid of us, so they respect us. Let it be. Peace to everyone ....
  • fregina1
    fregina1 April 10 2014 13: 06
    +7
    No need to quickly re-arm and drive horses! This is permissible at a stage like now, when for years they have not invested a damn in defense, and rush to buy Mistrals, Centaurs, Lynx, you have to be a complete ram furniture maker in matters of defense, and money are wasted (it is clear that they did it)! Rearmament should be SYSTEM and PLANNED! And feasible for the country's budget!
  • RBLip
    RBLip April 10 2014 13: 09
    +4
    iron is very good. but you need frames. those that are in Armata, Kurganets, etc. sit down, which Tornado where necessary to lead. but here a lot of things seem to be done. Particularly pleased with the revival of the rules of the TRP. in a healthy body as they say ...
    1. mabuta
      mabuta April 10 2014 14: 00
      +3
      Current graduates are extreme after the birth rate fall. It will be easier next. Yes, and the guys in my son's class are quite sensible. May God break through.
  • Same lech
    Same lech April 10 2014 13: 13
    +3
    Do we have time to date?


    What is the deadline ????

    Our opponent sets the deadlines.

    And we, as it were, pass him an exam for quick wits.
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  • Same lech
    Same lech April 10 2014 13: 27
    +1
    Well, whoever doubted ... they need to be shown that they didn’t get to AFRICA but to the place where they quickly turned their eggs and put them on an omelet.
  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 April 10 2014 13: 29
    +2
    Enough to feed us with hail, the elder brother served on beads there, I’m loader .. is there a newer picture or where ..? (I’m almost fifty dollars a pensioner ..)
  • ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 10 2014 13: 31
    +2
    The armored and tank subunits receive armored armament - modernized T-72B3 tanks, as well as BTR-82A armored personnel carriers.
    The main battle tank of Russia is the T-90 Vladimir. According to official data, as of the beginning of 2012, the total production of T-90 and its modifications for the Russian Armed Forces amounted to about 500 tanks: ~ 120 T-90, 32 T-90A (including 7 pieces of the AK modification) with night gunner’s sight “Buran-M” and ~ 337 T-90A (including 30-40 pieces of modification “AK”) with the thermal imager “Essa” with a Catherine FC matrix.

    For them, as of 2012, the total production of T-90 and its modifications amounted to at least 1335 tanks (not including those collected under license in India).
  • starper
    starper April 10 2014 13: 34
    0
    It would be nice if everything was so.
  • SS68SS
    SS68SS April 10 2014 13: 34
    +5
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....
  • konvalval
    konvalval April 10 2014 13: 42
    +3
    Re-arm, re-arm and re-arm. Unfortunately, there is no other way out. The international situation demands this. We'll have to fork out. This is not what we wanted. "Partners" do not understand anything except strength.
  • Committee
    Committee April 10 2014 13: 42
    0
    Who are you? Ayma American Citizen ...
  • Tarpon
    Tarpon April 10 2014 13: 44
    +1
    As many Eskanders as possible!
    And there can be more "Tigers"! They showed themselves well in Crimea!
    1. Anatoly39
      Anatoly39 April 10 2014 15: 55
      +1
      Iskander hi
  • Free Cossack
    Free Cossack April 10 2014 13: 46
    +6
    Of course, it would be nice if rearmament began at least 10 years earlier. But ... And in connection with this, but, and the current geopolitical situation, rearmament should proceed according to an accelerated program. Yes, it costs money, and not little money. Well, maybe our "oligarchs" will help a little, for example, Abramovich can easily pay for the construction of at least one heavy missile cruiser, but he could build a yacht for 3 billion Euros. And as a bonus, we can give the ships the names of sponsors. It is beautiful, "Today TRK" R.A. Abramovich "went out to the Mediterranean Sea", or "Aircraft cruiser" V.O. Potanin "is conducting exercises in the Pacific Ocean." This is of course a joke, but there is some truth in every joke. soldier
  • ken
    ken April 10 2014 13: 46
    +3
    State Arms Program - Green Light !!!
  • avg
    avg April 10 2014 13: 52
    +2
    Now it is important that the development of everything new is as fast and high-quality as possible, as well as working out interaction at all levels using the new opportunities that have appeared. Something does not increase combat effectiveness as a skillful, professional use of all the best qualities of their weapons. And vice versa, the lack of readiness to use new weapons nullifies all their technical advantages.
  • mabuta
    mabuta April 10 2014 13: 53
    +2
    For army scouts, it's time to take a lightweight buggy car instead of tigers. I know there is development, but we need to speed up adoption. The tiger is a good car, but light cars are less vulnerable. And the new weapons + maneuverability will do its job.
    1. jayich
      jayich April 10 2014 14: 17
      +4
      And what for these buggies. The tiger is a light machine. And in the buggy with our frosts you’ll freeze nafig, it’s not for jumping on the dunes in Africa.
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  • DS14
    DS14 April 10 2014 13: 58
    +2
    MOSCOW, April 10. / ITAR-TASS /. In St. Petersburg, the court sentenced two officials of the Institute of the Ministry of Defense of Russia to 3,5 years of probation for the theft of more than 99 million rubles.

    "The investigation and the court established that during 2004-2005 Lushnikov and Vitenbergsky, using their official position, unreasonably attracted various third-party commercial organizations to work within the framework of state contracts concluded with the enterprise for the development of ship engineering and technical documentation, significantly overstating the cost work to be performed, "- said Markin.

    In addition, they concluded fictitious agreements on allegedly completed work. Funds were transferred to the accounts of companies, which were then transferred to the accounts of individuals and cashed out. In this way, Markin noted, Lushnikov and Wittenberg stole more than 99 million rubles.

    http://itar-tass.com/spb-news/1110984
  • stas11830
    stas11830 April 10 2014 13: 59
    +2
    The main thing is that the money does not "disappear", but goes to rearmament!
  • Giant thought
    Giant thought April 10 2014 14: 00
    +2
    Re-equipment is a necessary thing, but not a one-time thing, but a permanent one. Only in moving forward is the key to success. If only the military-industrial complex would maintain the declared pace.
    1. VeteranS
      VeteranS April 10 2014 14: 14
      +1
      It will depend on how successfully our economy will develop, and how strong the financial condition of the country will be, and our leadership has the political will!
      God save Russia and Holy Russia!
    2. Tarpon
      Tarpon April 10 2014 14: 18
      0
      Quote: Giant thought
      Re-equipment is a necessary thing, but not a one-time thing, but a permanent one. Only in moving forward is the key to success. If only the military-industrial complex would maintain the declared pace.

      Endure if funding is not interrupted.
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  • ya.seliwerstov2013
    ya.seliwerstov2013 April 10 2014 14: 04
    0
    Question to experts.Podkazhite fate of the T-90. The decision, which is only for export? We are waiting for "ARMATA"? Is it cheaper for us to buy T-72B3 and upgrade T-72 to the level of T-72B3 before the arrival of the new platform?
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 10 2014 14: 54
      +2
      Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
      Tell us the fate of the T-90 tank. Decision, what is only for export? We are waiting for "ARMATA"? Is it cheaper for us to buy the T-72B3 and upgrade the T-72 to the T-72B3 level before the new platform arrives?

      Dmitry, although I’m not an expert, the policy of the State Academic Bolshoi Technical University and the General Staff is clearly visible:

      - Reliance on the existing park T-90.
      - Liquidation of machines of the T-80 family.
      - Upgrade the T-72 to the level T-72B3.
      Hence:
      T-90 around 500 pcs.
      The rest of the niche will be occupied by the T-72B3. This modernization, in my opinion and the opinion of many tankers, is "under-modernized".
      Something like that.
  • Cossacks
    Cossacks April 10 2014 14: 11
    +4
    Classical imitation of violent activity. There will be a TV program tomorrow, but tomorrow. Either the terminator brains the brain instead of a normal tank, then the poplar, which Varennikov spoke quite clearly, then generally some kind of crap on KAMAZ. Well, of course, the generals on the site are accustomed to computer games. The reality is different. For half a day in 2008, we lost 4 according to other sources of 8 aircraft. And from sources close to the MO, communication was carried out by mob. tel. (the MO was renovated) In the place of the Minister of Defense, a self-respecting officer would shoot himself. Supreme Ch. com. (no, not Putin, he was at that time the acting chairman of S.M.) and in general, as always, was at the Olympics. So what next to tell?
    1. shinobi
      shinobi April 10 2014 14: 35
      -2
      And what? It helped the Georgians a lot? There are no wars without losses.
  • The Art of War
    The Art of War April 10 2014 14: 17
    0
    Who will tell you what the changes are from the old T-72 tank and the upgraded T-72V3?
    1. shinobi
      shinobi April 10 2014 14: 32
      +2
      Like the AK-100 from the AK-74. It seems to be the same, but the devil is hiding in the little things.
    2. ya.seliwerstov2013
      ya.seliwerstov2013 April 10 2014 14: 45
      0
      http://ymorno.ru/index.php?showtopic=61476#entry496022 как вариант будем рассматривать Объект 184 выпуска 1985, 1987 г. с пушкой 2А46М, прицельным комплексом 1А40
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 10 2014 14: 52
        0
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIV-yeK8G4c
        1. The Art of War
          The Art of War April 10 2014 14: 55
          0
          It is interesting to see night and thermal appliances! Thermal win in my opinion by 100 percent!
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv April 10 2014 14: 58
        +1
        Quote: ya.seliwerstov2013
        http://ymorno.ru/index.php?showtopic=61476#entry496022

        Dmitry, I'm sorry, but this is my article, it’s not clear where.
        Better see the publication in the original, by the way, it is slightly modified with the kind help of our moderators.
        http://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html
        http://topwar.ru/35591-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-2.html

        Respectfully:
        Alex.
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 10 2014 14: 51
      +1
      Quote: The Art of War
      What are the changes from the old T-72 tank and the upgraded T-72В3?

      ... only not B3, but B3 ...
      http://topwar.ru/35631-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-1.html
      http://topwar.ru/35591-t-72b3chto-eto-za-zver-chast-2.html

      a lot of things are in the comments to the article written by our members of the forum.
      1. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 10 2014 14: 54
        +1
        Yes T-72 B3! I apologize!
      2. The Art of War
        The Art of War April 10 2014 15: 00
        +1
        Thank you for the links! But why not put the machine gun on the T-72B3 like on an SBRM machine? And you shouldn’t put your head in ANNA news there Syrians said it was better to put the machine gun on the automatic tank with control from the cab!
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 10 2014 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: The Art of War
          But why not put a machine gun on the T-72B3 like on an SBRM machine?

          Alexander, do you mean a remotely controlled module?
          Many - FOR. I lick on the UDP T05BV-1 of the T-90MS tank ...
          By the way, UVZ promised to put a closed ZPU (old-style) on the T-72Б3М.
          wink

          Or do you mean the mast of the RBM?
          I do not think that EVERY tank needs it ...
          Pampering is to put the mast on a LINEAR machine. On special intelligence and target designation machines - definitely YES.
          IMHO, of course.
          1. The Art of War
            The Art of War April 10 2014 15: 28
            0
            Yes, a remotely controlled module is even more so there even with a thermal imager?
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv April 10 2014 15: 48
              +1
              Quote: The Art of War
              there even more so is he even with a thermal imager?

              It all depends on the sighting and observation complex of the commander.
              On T-90ms - yes.
              1. The Art of War
                The Art of War April 10 2014 15: 56
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                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhAEWjGS61g#t=973
                1. The Art of War
                  The Art of War April 10 2014 15: 57
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                  Alexei compare on this video the modernization of the T-72
                  1. Aleks tv
                    Aleks tv April 10 2014 16: 06
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                    Quote: The Art of War
                    compare on this video the modernization of the T-72 tank

                    Alexander, thanks for the video.
                    I’ll definitely look, but later ... now the modem will not pull 40 minutes ...
                    I will gobble up all the limits.
                    winked
  • The Art of War
    The Art of War April 10 2014 14: 31
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhAEWjGS61g#t=973
    1. The Art of War
      The Art of War April 10 2014 14: 32
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      Here on the video you can see the pros and cons of the upgrade
  • Strgius
    Strgius April 10 2014 15: 37
    +1
    I hope all the nuances will be overcome!
    New weapons are now very necessary ...
  • The Art of War
    The Art of War April 10 2014 15: 42
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHDtyIoLxyg
  • The Art of War
    The Art of War April 10 2014 15: 44
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Wn1ce5IdY
  • morprepud
    morprepud April 10 2014 15: 46
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    Quote: COLUN
    COLUN Today, 15:18 ↑ New
    Yes, it was necessary to pile amers in Vietnam more seriously, they would be kinder.
    Or maybe because they grinned because they piled too much?
    1. morprepud
      morprepud April 10 2014 16: 16
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      They put a minus, so you didn’t understand the jokes?
  • The Art of War
    The Art of War April 10 2014 16: 09
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    And what about the Tiger 6A will be adopted or not?
  • Mihail177
    Mihail177 April 10 2014 16: 46
    +1
    the time lag and stagnation of our army behind. Ahead is the development and creation of a new type of Armed Forces.
    In three shifts to work, in four! If money is needed, the people will not be stingy, they will tear it from themselves, but the army is all the best!
    1. vch62388
      vch62388 April 10 2014 19: 24
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      It is better to pay at the defense industry factories, to buy new equipment. Which young people are going to the factory now? Someone who is not "stuck" in business. It is simply not prestigious to work as a technologist, engineer, milling machine operator. The worker is viewed as a failure. And new tanks and missiles do not appear by themselves.
  • Ermek
    Ermek April 11 2014 00: 47
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    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    there is still a wildflower, "cornflower" is called
  • Ermek
    Ermek April 11 2014 00: 50
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    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    there is still a wildflower, "cornflower" is called
  • Ermek
    Ermek April 11 2014 00: 55
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    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    there is still a wildflower, "cornflower" is called
  • Ermek
    Ermek April 11 2014 00: 55
    0
    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    Quote: SS68SS
    What are the beautiful, lyrical Russian names - "Topol-M", "Chrysanthemum", "Geacinth", "Carnation", "Acacia", "Peony", "Duet" ..... not military equipment, but musical instruments straight or bouquets.
    Would you like to listen to their music, gentlemen of Europe.eu.d.j.er.y, or smell what such bouquets smell like?
    No? So sit and "do not teach dad to love mom" .....

    there is still a wildflower, "cornflower" is called