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Write correctly - that our native language was not an enemy to us, but a friend!

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Linguistic illiteracy overcame us to the point that even writers and journalists shamelessly confuse “not” and “neither”, separate and coherent writing, and do not put commas at all ... freebie. That is, instead of finding the right word or rule in the same Internet, many use proofreading WORD, even without delving into the essence of this service.


And this is not a universal literacy at all, but only an identifier of cases of spelling unfamiliar to a computer program. Moreover, spell checking (red underline) and grammar (green wavy) are two very different functions. And if the first with the ability to use it is very useful, then the second is not only useless for those who do not firmly know Russian, but also harmful.

The computer checks the spelling using its vocabulary, which contains a limited volume of word forms: “forest, forests, forest; walk, walk, walk ... "And when he emphasizes something in red, this is not necessarily a mistake, but only an unknown combination of letters. Many Russian words, both archaic and the newest, colloquial, and simply overlooked, fall into this zone of obscurity. WORD, for example, does not know such words as rup, glasenap, gadget, sukup, unformat, handon, pinch, rap and so on. But at the same time he still offers the correct spelling in his view - a word he knows, which is close to the unknown. For example, instead of “unformat”, he will offer “not format” or “non-formal” - which would mean something completely different and in the context will be just an error.

To avoid such errors, you should carefully re-read the underlined word, and if this is not an obvious slip of the word, against which the spell checker is good, just look in any Yandex dictionary. If there is such a word, add it with the appropriate button to the dictionary of your WORD, in order not to stumble again in the same place. By the way, for a dozen years of work on my computer, I added hundreds of previously unfamiliar words to his database. The main thing to remember: the red bar - just evidence that the word is unfamiliar to the computer.

But grammar checking is more confusing than it helps, and therefore it is better to refuse it altogether. Spelling is still a pretty mechanical thing; punctuation implies thinking about the context, but the computer is not able to think. He only uses his own type patterns: the definition requires a definable word, the predicate - the subject, a comma is needed before “what” and between homogeneous members of a sentence. But the subject in the Russian language can be a verb, an adjective, and in general almost any part of speech. The predicate is composite, not all homogeneous members are separated by commas - for example, “the great Russian writer”, before “what” and after “well”, the comma is also not always needed. There are such cases - the sea, the patterned program in them is powerless, because every now and then it gives a false signal about a violation of agreement and punctuation. And a lazy person mindlessly accepts false clues that cripple the meaning of his writings.

Here are the first examples from the articles of professional journalists:

"So that the selective enthusiasm of Luxembourgers is well warmed from the outside." The comma here is a clear mistake, because "so that" is one composite union. But the computer is not on the mind, it responds only to the absence of a comma before the "what", offering to insert it. And the illiterate writer stupidly accepts this, reassuring himself that the green wavy then disappears.

By the way, in the previous paragraph, the computer emphasized the whole second sentence to me: they say “perhaps the proposal is inconsistent” - without recognizing the subject already in combination “so that”. He also emphasized the word "green", not realizing that this is not a definition, but part of the compound subject "green wavy", expressed by two adjectives.

"He knew, however, did not take any measures." WORD formally demanded a comma after "nonetheless" as after the introductory phrase - but here it is a union, after which the comma is not put.

As part of the extra commas, there is one not absolute, but a good check: if the text does not suffer without a comma, you do not need to put it. For example: “By the way, here is another consideration,” here everything is clear and without a comma. But in the case of “By the way, coming up to the ravine, Vanya saw ...” the comma is needed, because without it, it turns out that not the writer leads this detail by the way, and Vanya went to the ravine by the way.

It is not necessary to put a comma after such words as "they say", "they say", "de", because it adds nothing to them.

But in general, there is no easy, universal method to avoid mistakes in punctuation. How to be? Only learn grammar; and if the multiplication of the multiplication table can be replaced with a calculator, then this is fundamentally impossible. But to catch up to elementary literacy is not such a terrible work. It is necessary to understand the principle of the placement of commas in complex and complex sentences, with homogeneous members, participles and verbal participations - it will be easier later. But what a joy to feel at home in your native grammatical forest and to see in punctuation marks not evil enemies, but faithful servants!

Let's say there is a rule: the participles are separated by a comma if they appear after the word to be defined, and the participle is always. But sometimes the verbal adverb can act as an adverb, serving as an inseparable feature of the verb, for example: “It hits the bull's eye without aiming”. Or: “Makhnimsya without looking!” It is here so merged with the verb that you simply can’t stick a comma between them. It is possible to substantiate its absence in the following way: in typical cases like “The boy ran, looking around,” the participle, as an indicator of some additional action, is easily replaced by the verb: “The boy ran and looked around.” But in the case of “waving” with such a replacement we get rubbish.

The Russian language also permits the so-called author's punctuation, when a comma, a semicolon, a dash serve not the formal, but the semantic component of the letter. Here is the case where the arrangement of punctuation marks according to the rules would have killed the beauty of Tsvetaeva's verses:

Washes away the best blush -
Love. Taste it
How tears - salt. I'm afraid
I will get up dead tomorrow morning.

Send stones from India.
When can we see each other? - In a dream.
- How windy! - Hello to my wife,
And that green-eyed lady.

That is, punctuation marks can even be put against the rules, but! This should have a solid semantic basis, otherwise they will consider it simply illiterate.

However, the function of checking the grammar can be useful - to search for clerks like: "My wife went to the store for bread." Spelling proofreader will not emphasize the erroneous word, so it is known to him, but it will emphasize grammatical. Therefore, it is worthwhile to include this function when the text is already written - to see if a similar slip has crept in somewhere.

And finally, the question of principle: why write at all correctly? The meaning will come true, with all the mistakes!

Well, firstly, not always - as in the classic school example: "You can not execute the mercy punishment." But there is also an aesthetic side: as an untidy-dressed person does not inspire confidence and the desire to communicate with him, the written untidy text repels the reader.

Contempt for the grammatical norms of the language not only ruins its expressiveness, but also entails contempt for the subject of description. The habit of doing something is somehow contagiously terrible: spitting on spelling spits on other rules and norms, multiplying the general chaos in our heads. Without grammatical fit, the language surrenders and degenerates - since all living things can only be kept in strict form for a long time, and the shapeless and chaotic is doomed.

You can kill and resurrect with a word, but to successfully master it, you must first write competently - this is how to keep weapon in order, otherwise it quickly loses its combat capability.
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  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 9 2014 15: 35
    +11
    WORD, for example, does not know such words as rupe, glenadap, gadget, surkup, informat,, pinch, rap and so on.

    ... And it’s very good that he does not know. Why make life easier for former Snowden colleagues?
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 April 9 2014 15: 38
      +7
      From 2015 of the year, the test part of the exam will disappear from the exam, it will be replaced by an oral answer. I. Livanov Ministry of Education and Science.
      fellow
    2. lelikas
      lelikas April 9 2014 18: 45
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      WORD, for example, does not know such words as glanap

      I am not a word, but I also do not know such a word;)
      From the fourth grade I put up with a life triple in Russian.
      1. Max otto
        Max otto April 9 2014 19: 10
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        Quote: lelikas
        Quote: Stiletto
        WORD, for example, does not know such words as glanap

        I am not a word, but I also do not know such a word;)
        From the fourth grade I put up with a life triple in Russian.

        Read the aphorisms of K. Prutkov. This is informative and very interesting! Well, at the same time you will find out what, or rather who Glazenap is (with a capital letter, this is the last name). Do not regard moralizing, just advice, friendly hi .
        1. lelikas
          lelikas April 9 2014 19: 14
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          Quote: Max Otto
          Read the aphorisms of K. Prutkov. This is informative and very interesting!

          Yes, they don’t have any language rules!
          1. tianna
            tianna April 9 2014 20: 04
            0
            The rules, if necessary, can be found in the Rosenthal directory (at least) - there is on the Internet!
  3. smel
    smel April 9 2014 15: 37
    +13
    I agree with the author. Literacy is a sign of human culture.
    1. bvi1965
      bvi1965 April 9 2014 16: 08
      -10%
      Undoubtedly. But how does this article fit with VO?
      1. ehomenkov
        ehomenkov April 9 2014 16: 16
        -7
        here I am - I think - well, no matter how ... go and the resource fails - no one comes to "smart" sites ... wassat
        1. Max otto
          Max otto April 9 2014 19: 19
          +3
          Quote: ehomenkov
          here I am - I think - well, no matter how ... go and the resource fails - no one comes to "smart" sites ... wassat

          Personally, I got hooked on this site because they don’t write obscenities here and try to write correctly in Russian. That was one of the reasons.
        2. polly
          polly April 9 2014 21: 41
          +2
          To the adverb NO to write correctly, it is advisable not to neglect such articles ... wink
      2. Polarfox
        Polarfox April 9 2014 16: 41
        +11
        This article fits into any site. For the truth is the people write how they will lie on the bush. And it would be nice if you know your native language well.
      3. hrych
        hrych April 9 2014 17: 20
        +4
        If you write in Russian illiterate, you get a mov.

        The barlog vlizli bjoli:
        "Don't bother me here with nikoli,
        Let's live here now "-
        Stole the stink of goodness.
        Bіlya Vulika Vedmіd
        let’s sit with a sight.
        Pity yogi
        Bo rely vin slozi lithi.
        View soon
        At home on your own!

        Some kind of stink.

        Sєva taking the nozzle to hand,
        I handed us the writing dzvinku.
        Flying to the sky,
        Mov a little thread jurk.

        And here, in general, some kind of Saramschina turned out, some kind of pussy.
        1. dmitriygorshkov
          dmitriygorshkov April 9 2014 17: 50
          +2
          Quote: hrych
          If you write in Russian illiterate, you get a mov.

          5+! It’s exactly mov and it will turn out. Vulgarism!
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          3. hrych
            hrych April 9 2014 18: 25
            +4


            Mova is the language of enlightened Europe, and not some Asian Russian there.
          4. tianna
            tianna April 9 2014 20: 12
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            Quote: dmitriygorshkov
            It’s exactly mov and it will turn out. Vulgarism!

            Vulgarism is illiteracy and a mate in the text.
        2. tianna
          tianna April 9 2014 20: 10
          +2
          Normal Ukrainian poems for children. Nothing shameful, only if the meaning is understood. You do not call the Polish language, for example, because you do not understand the meaning of the words, but you do not like how some of them sound.
          1. hrych
            hrych April 9 2014 20: 25
            +2
            Let these poems be recited by those who like it, and not force people to speak on it for whom he is alien, while at the same time forbidding him to speak his native language. Like any action gives rise to opposition. Therefore, now the trident, the yellow-blue flag and the MOV cause disgust among many people in the East, as occupational, imposed symbols. So this actually ruined Ukrainian statehood, but no Lesya Ukrainka will be able to force out the words of Pushkin and Tolstov from the cultural sphere. But the war was declared, not declared by us, but the Russians always always win in the end.
            1. tianna
              tianna April 9 2014 21: 28
              +2
              You know, I personally (and I’m from the South-East) also disgust the fact that you listed, besides the normal literary Ukrainian language, is it something to blame? The last 23 years have made of it an ugly ugly semblance of a Polish-Galician dialect, obscure to most Ukrainians. But the verse that you quoted as an example of the same disgrace is an unsuccessful example. Lesya Ukrainka, it seems, does not pretend to be the ouster of Pushkin from the cultural environment, and in a NORMAL cultural environment NORMALLY coexists with him. But the fact that in today's Ukraine there is no normal cultural environment for some time is a fact. Regarding forced Ukrainization - I agree, like millions of ethnic Russians. Until different pharions, lyashki and others like us got them, everything was calm. Sun.
              1. hrych
                hrych April 10 2014 04: 46
                +2
                I beg your pardon, I went too far and that it is the normal Little Russian language (beautiful, "singing" language) that is essentially the main victim in this situation. The Russian language, in principle, will not go anywhere, behind it stands both a huge, warlike people, humanitarian and scientific and technical might. Perhaps, when the South-East becomes free or enters Russia, it will be necessary to take the Ukrainian language under protection and make Surzhik almost a state one. When there is a war, then of course there are excesses and here you need to be careful so that culture does not suffer.
                Best regards hi
      4. Ulairy
        Ulairy April 9 2014 18: 44
        +4
        Quote: bvi1965
        Undoubtedly. But how does this article fit with VO?

        Have you read the comments, mne-uh, .. some? Many replied to such posts not on the topic of the article in VO, but like: "go learn", kill your "Russian" teacher or "hear, chupacabra, what finger are you hammering on the keyboard" ... Of course, not everyone wants to follow the rules of the Russian language, especially when entering text from a mobile ... But then the question is: what are you doing on military sites? So, to look at news and to promote comments? Articles on VO, in particular, need to be read thoughtfully - the site is analytical, there are few bad and even less frankly stupid articles.
        To write correctly, you need to read a lot and often. Read articles, read comments. There are only a few illiterates (and they often stand out).
        And this article also fits in with the military theme just like this - "if you want to destroy the nation, simplify its language, reduce it to the level of everyday life and indistinctness of thought." I didn’t say it, but I won’t say who tongue
        1. hrych
          hrych April 9 2014 19: 03
          +3
          The fact is that now in Ukraine there is a war for the Russian world, for the Russian language in the literal sense, with the liberation of the occupied territories, with the capture and blocking of the enemy fleet and military units. For the Russian language, people are just being killed now. Russian people (albeit with Ukrainian surnames) are forced to speak and live on a semi-Polish Bandera chatterbox, which has no roots, outstanding masters of literature and, upon closer examination, is just a laughing stock when cats are called whales, etc. And if the Russian language is declared war, it’s the enemy mov must be uprooted.
        2. WedVolga
          WedVolga April 9 2014 20: 54
          +2
          Well, let's say you "gouge" at the end, just right. In recent years, in many comments and articles, people have problems with the soft sign in predicates ending in "tsya", it just jars, they often put it there when not Respect to the author for the article, a hot topic on any serious resource!
      5. sv68
        sv68 April 9 2014 18: 55
        +1
        just fits together, we ourselves here on the site in the word x-- we make four mistakes
  4. Chifka
    Chifka April 9 2014 15: 41
    +23
    Knowledge of the Russian language by Russian people is an axiom, and options are not even considered. And the question of literacy is an individual phenomenon. Many who studied in the Soviet school developed mechanical literacy, because everything around was literate - books, posters, newspapers, etc. Spelling lapses were laughed by the whole world.
    The current generation is growing in the era of SMS, chat and the Albanian language, where laughter causes already competent writing. And somehow, literacy slowly turned from compulsory to optional.
    This is sad.
    1. Oleg Sobol
      Oleg Sobol April 9 2014 16: 14
      +7
      Quote: Chifka
      The current generation is growing in the era of SMS, chat and the Albanian language, where laughter causes already competent writing.

      I completely agree with you in this assessment.
      I'll even say more. "Knowledge" of Albany, goes to the level of "literate" and, often, everyday speech. I was struck by the answer of a friend (higher education, very erudite and far from being a child's age) to my question why he speaks to me in Albany: Duc ... this is awesome cool. request
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas April 9 2014 18: 06
        +1
        Quote: Oleg Sobol
        Duc ... it's hellishly cool
        A mixture of Russian, Albanian (hellish) and Mitkovsky (Duc).
    2. Stinger
      Stinger April 9 2014 19: 14
      +1
      It. right. Now, when you read this: "Food with free delivery from" Chaikhоus number 1 ", then you start to understand that the man was walking on the sidewalk, his head fell down.
  5. Boris55
    Boris55 April 9 2014 15: 42
    +1
    Grammar explanation

    "... When reading our materials, we ask readers to keep in mind that in our publications, if possible, we switch to spelling that expresses meaning. The current spelling, playing up the lisp of everyday spoken language, prescribes before hissing and voiceless consonants in the prefixes" without - "," vo- "," from- "," raz- "to replace the voiced" z "with a voiceless" s ", as a result of which the named" morphemes "in the composition of the word lose their meaning. For the same reason, it is better to write" play along " , "Prehistory", etc. Since the perception by ear of differences in the sound of "e" and "yat", "and" and "i" has been erased by now and they are absent in the keyboard layout, then the existence of these letters as expressive of meaning we recall as necessary, keeping in most cases the spellings "e" and "and", respectively.

    Here are just two examples of distorting the meaning of words:

    the word "world" means "society", and the word "peace" means "a state of society without war";

    the prefix "without" means the absence of anything, and the prefix "demon" carries the semantic load of the words "demon", "satan". Thus, the word "unconscionable" means a lack of conscience, and the word "unconscionable" means a demon, Satan is a conscience.

    In addition, in some cases in long sentences, in our works punctuation marks may be found, the formulation of which is not provided by the current grammar, but which are better to put in the text, since their purpose is to distinguish between different semantic units in the composition of long phrases, which should simplify them perception. The same goal - combining several words into a unit, the bearer of meaning - and through emphasizing and highlighting part of the text in the sentence in italics.

    On the need for a transition to a meaningful spelling in the materials of the Public Safety Concept, see the work of the USSR Supreme Council “Our language: as an objective given and as a culture of speech” and, in particular, sections: 2. “The meaning of words and the meaning of speech” and 3.3.3. "The culture of speech in the Concept of public safety."

    http://www.kpe.ru/?option=com_content&task=view&id=1884
    1. andrewvlg
      andrewvlg April 9 2014 15: 53
      +2
      Quote: Boris55
      On the need for a transition to a meaningful spelling in the materials of the Public Safety Concept, see the work of the USSR Supreme Council “Our language: as an objective given and as a culture of speech” and, in particular, sections: 2. “The meaning of words and the meaning of speech” and 3.3.3. "The culture of speech in the Concept of public safety."

      General Petrov came up with the concept of public safety. And 150 million Russian people must urgently distort their native Russian language, polished over hundreds of years by Lomonosov, Derzhavin, Pushkin and several thousand more writers and linguists. You come across as an intelligent and mature person. Then explain why, for the sake of the convictions of several thousand followers of Petrov, who clearly do not reach Pushkin, Yesenin, etc., the remaining millions of Russians must change their writing?
      Forgive me for the harshness, how does your behavior differ from all Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., who in cities and towns persuade people to change their native Orthodox faith (and in general any native faith) to "the most correct in their opinion"?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 9 2014 16: 34
        0
        Quote: andrewvlg
        So General Petrov came up with the Concept of Public Security. And 150 of millions of Russian people urgently need to distort their native Russian language, polished over hundreds of years by Lomonosov, Derzhavin, Pushkin and several thousand more writers and linguists.

        Tell me, but what language is it written in?



        The Chinese did not change their letter of 400 years and they read the works of their ancestors without special state translators.
        Why did we change the letter - guess?
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 9 2014 16: 41
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: andrewvlg
          So General Petrov came up with the Concept of Public Security. And 150 of millions of Russian people urgently need to distort their native Russian language, polished over hundreds of years by Lomonosov, Derzhavin, Pushkin and several thousand more writers and linguists.

          Tell me, but what language is it written in?



          The Chinese did not change their letter of 400 years and they read the works of their ancestors without special state translators.

          Are you suggesting a return to the Russian times of Lomonosov or Cyril and Methodius? Why are you talking about the Chinese? By the way, they have several languages ​​(and nationalities that hardly understand each other). If we are talking about a return to the pre-revolutionary spelling with "yaty" and "eram", then you could still be understood. So your linguists (?) Are proposing their own reforms. Do I understand correctly, or not? That is, they propose to artificially change the letter.
          In all seriousness, I humbly ask you to clarify - Do you propose to return to the Russian pre-revolutionary? Yes?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 9 2014 16: 50
            0
            Not. History has no reverse gear.
            But something can be fixed. Replacing the devil (hell) with no (absence), I think it will be right.
            1. andrewvlg
              andrewvlg April 9 2014 17: 02
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              history there is no reverse. But you can fix something. Replacing the demon (damn) with no (absence) I think it will be right. By the way, when they removed the yat, they said that it would save almost a whole forest when only War and Peace was printed ...

              I believe that if you roll back - then completely and completely. Although I'm quite used to modern writing.
              However, I am categorically opposed to a group of "sectarians" (do not be offended by this word, Christians were also once called so) the CPE arbitrarily changed the Russian language in the direction they needed.
              In fact, I don't think people will welcome these changes. Why is this KPE? It's just that someone wants to attract attention to themselves with the help of the "unusual" writing (meaningless, for example) of their ideological works.
              By the way, can you explain to me what meaningless devil means in nature? And who will look for the presence of demons in words? Then you need to prohibit, for example, the "iso" prefix:
              the word "isotru" is misleading - someone might think that fine art is Trub, but it is not always like that. Something from this breathed in the Inquisition.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 April 9 2014 17: 22
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                Quote: andrewvlg
                However, I am strongly against the group "sectarians“The CPE arbitrarily changed the Russian language in the direction they needed.


                KPI is a party based on BER (Public Safety Concept)

                KOBA suggests defining SECTU by five characteristic features common to all sects without exception, regardless of their age and number of participants:

                1. the presence of esoteric and exoteric teachings, which in Russian means: in a sect there is always a doctrine for the crowd and a doctrine for the elite - dedicated hierarchs;
                2. the presence of certain dogmas of the doctrine, which are not subject to discussion and should be accepted by adherents of the doctrine as true without any doubt or reasoning;
                3. the presence of a ritual that accompanies any meeting of representatives of the sect and is actually a means of zombifying their psyche;
                4. the existence of an arbitrarily branched hierarchy, to enter into a dispute with which, according to the basic tenets of the teachings of the sect, is strictly prohibited;
                5. since the teachings of the sect are based on dogmas that are not subject to discussion, then there is no place for the formation of a personal culture of mastering new knowledge (there is no method of mastering) and a meaningful attitude to Life by conscience.

                More: http://old.kpe.ru/rating/analytics/religion/223/

                For none of the above items, the BER is not related to the sect.

                The hearing on the materials of the BER in 1995 was held in the State Duma and the deputies of the Duma were recommended for study and implementation.

                http://www.kpe.ru/partiya/ustav/912-2009-08-12

                Which sect has the "blessing" of the thought?
                1. andrewvlg
                  andrewvlg April 9 2014 17: 46
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                  Quote: Boris55
                  The hearing on the materials of the BER in 1995 was held in the State Duma and the deputies of the Duma were recommended for study and implementation.

                  The Gaidarov Witness sect also received full approval, and its recommendations were even implemented.
                  You understand me correctly, I don’t want to get personal at all, and tell you what to do. I understand that I cannot convince you, therefore I try to take your beliefs calmly.
                  But not for the sake of "fighting dissidents" I can try to object. From Wikipedia:
                  Sect (lat. Secta - school, teaching, from lat. Sequor - follow) - a concept (term) that is used to denote a religious group that has separated from the main religious direction, or to indicate an organized tradition that has its founder and special teaching [1 ]. In some sources, the concept of "sect" is interpreted more broadly [2] [3]. This is the name of any group (religious or non-religious, separated or new) that has its own teaching and practice, different from the dominant church or ideology
                  You, as a true adherent of the "only true" doctrine, replace this definition with others, accepted in the KOB (!).
                  The points
                  1) Inside the KPI, you affirm that Christianity is a religion invented by the Zionists to enslave the rest of humanity and so on. In fact, you are fighting Christianity for the minds of people. On our site (wide circle) you are silent about this.
                  2) You consider your dogmas unshakable, at least no one has ever convinced you in any of them on the site. That is, the effect is like a "brainwashing".
                  3) and 4) - I agree with you, 5) follows from 2) that is, you can indulge yourself with illusions that it is real to "change dogmas", but has it ever happened?
                  Most interesting, you reject the fact that the KPI is a sect, but you consider Orthodox sectarians, or am I mistaken?
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 April 9 2014 18: 07
                    -1
                    A little before the history of the emergence of BER.

                    In the middle of the 80's, the CPSU Central Committee instructed the Leningrad Naval Engineering Institute to develop a concept to counter Western ideology. This concept was developed and presented to Gorbachev, but the hunchback had other goals ... The team of authors decided on the free distribution of BER.
                    There is no membership or initiation. All information is available to anyone.
                    BER is not a dogma. Materials on BER are constantly updated: http://www.vodaspb.ru/

                    You are right in one thing - the Public Security Concept is opposed to the Biblical concept since sees in it the main threat to all of humanity.
            2. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru April 9 2014 18: 13
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              Replacing the devil (hell) with no (absence), I think it will be right.

              +100. Already two years ago he stopped "praising the devil."
        2. Turkir
          Turkir April 9 2014 17: 07
          0
          On the road. wink
        3. Stanislas
          Stanislas April 9 2014 18: 18
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          but what language is it written in?
          Definitely not in Chinese smile : "Oleg will go with all of them on horseback and on ship, and no number of ships is 2000"
      2. Turkir
        Turkir April 9 2014 17: 19
        +1
        Unscrupulous. "The devil is conscientious" is certainly too much. The rules are usually changed by those who do not understand their meaning or think that the rules of the language obey the decrees of the president or government. This was the case in 1917 and later, and these changes were far from the titular nation.
        Well, when, the shoemaker bakes pies ...
      3. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 9 2014 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: andrewvlg
        change native Orthodox faith

        There are only two words that every Orthodox person has heard: "Amen" and "Hallelujah"
        In its numerical measure (91), "Amen" is equal to the title Yahweh Adonai (also 91)
        Hallelujah (Hebrew הַלְלוּיָה] הללויה], in the transcription of Halelu Ya'h; in the Latin transliteration alleluia). Letters "Praise yah"- in a number of Christian denominations - a prayerful eulogy addressed to God.
        So, applying these words, the person who creates the prayer most likely praises the Jewish god.
    2. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 16: 07
      +6
      Right! Therefore, the title of the novel "War and Peace", i.e. "War and Society" is how Leo Tolstoy actually called his novel.
      Language not only serves communication but also thinking. Literature must be taught at school to increase vocabulary baggage! If you have 600 words in stock, then don't say that you "well" know, for example, English. With such a vocabulary in your own language, you may NOT know a foreign language well.
      "He forced himself to respect .." is a Moscow idiomatic expression. Meaning: "he died". Most teachers of Russian literature do not know this.
      And Pushkin "hammered" into one line the information that his uncle lived in Moscow and had already died before Onegin's arrival.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt April 9 2014 17: 08
      +2
      Very interesting grammatical delights. Then, together with "play along" we will remove from our alphabet Yo, YU, YA, E, and we will write "yo", "yu", ya "," ye. "And about" Satan "in general - a separate bazaar laughing At school, you need to study better and read Russian classics. It is desirable tsarist and Soviet publishers.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 April 9 2014 17: 33
        -1
        Any word is management. What word is such a management, what kind of management is such and such a life. Not understanding this leads to big mistakes.
        1. andrewvlg
          andrewvlg April 9 2014 17: 58
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          Any word is management. What word is such a management, what kind of management is such and such a life. Not understanding this leads to big mistakes.

          You cited one of the "unshakable tenets" of the KOB. Theoretically, you can refute it, but you will never do it. By the way, understanding of this thesis is accessible only to the "esoteric circle", and you are now influencing the "wide circle", knowing full well that the effect will be different.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 April 9 2014 18: 18
            -1
            Quote: andrewvlg
            Purely theoretically, you can refute it,

            I wrote something - you answered. If I hadn’t written, it would not have begun and would have answered. So I rule you. Answering you - you control me. Based on the written, we cause these or other answers.
            If a person did not need to be controlled, he would not have learned to speak, write, or read ...
            1. andrewvlg
              andrewvlg April 9 2014 18: 48
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              I wrote something - you answered. If I hadn’t written, it would not have begun and would have answered. So I rule you. Answering you - you control me. Based on the written, we cause these or other answers.
              If a person did not need to be controlled, he would not have learned to speak, write, or read ...

              I just assumed that you did not refute any of the CPE dogmas (although you say that this is possible)
              Here is another sign of cheating:
              In any "sects" they use, as I have noticed, 2 methods for "zombifying": explaining complex phenomena "simply" or, conversely, ordinary everyday things "difficult".
              Here is the theory of "control" - this is such a simple explanation of EVERYTHING in KPI. Allegedly, all processes are controlled, etc. Here you say:
              Quote: Boris55
              Any word is management.

              And, excuse me, scolding, when you hit a gentle hammer?
              And here is the opposite example: someone from the CPE posted a video where one of your ideologues for a whole hour (!), Using the "management concept", explained why Putin did not "put" Serdyukov in jail. Although a simple explanation - common acquaintances-relatives - was not even considered, because there is no "control"!
  6. Klepa
    Klepa April 9 2014 15: 43
    +8
    Donkey education given.
    Has he become smarter? Hardly.
    But before, like a donkey,
    He just smacked the rubbish,
    And now - ah villain -
    He, with the importance of a pedant,
    With every stupidity
    Refers to Kant.


    Sasha the Black.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 April 9 2014 16: 56
      -1
      The donkey was not given education, but a set of jagged phrases.
      Obrazovanie teaches to think in images, not in authority. smile
  7. -SHADOW-
    -SHADOW- April 9 2014 15: 48
    +4
    I agree with the author - WORD)) very often does not understand the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, because the developed Americans ...
    IN LIFE, DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE DEPTH OF OUR LANGUAGE, DO NOT UNDERSTAND MANY OUR JOKES, etc. etc.
    I AM proud that I SPEAK AND WRITE IN RUSSIAN WITHOUT AN ELECTRONIC PRISM, AND THOSE WHO CAN'T
    LET ENVY))
    1. ale-x
      ale-x April 9 2014 16: 16
      +1
      Does your CAPS LOCK seem to be stuck?
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru April 9 2014 18: 21
        0
        Quote: ale-x
        CAPS LOCK,

        Imagine, I have the corresponding key on my keyboard labeled Caps Lock. Do you have some kind of "exclusive" keyboard?
        1. not main
          not main April 9 2014 19: 39
          0
          Quote: 11111mail.ru
          Quote: ale-x
          CAPS LOCK,

          Imagine, I have the corresponding key on my keyboard labeled Caps Lock. Do you have some kind of "exclusive" keyboard?

          Imagine and mine: caps lock.
  8. cheega69
    cheega69 April 9 2014 15: 56
    +2
    [quote = Chifka] Knowledge of the Russian language by Russian people is an axiom .... Alas, but no longer. Judging by the classmates of my daughter.
  9. ale-x
    ale-x April 9 2014 16: 04
    +1
    ABOUT! Tse dilo))))
  10. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m April 9 2014 16: 07
    +5
    It happens, minus comments exclusively for illiteracy. It is difficult to search for meaning in warped words.
  11. Alexanderrr
    Alexanderrr April 9 2014 16: 08
    +3
    it’s better to write “play along”, “prehistory”

    It seems more correct to write "play along" and "prehistory".
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 16: 12
      0
      The author has examples of old spelling, you have modern. The author is a purist. wink
  12. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 April 9 2014 16: 15
    +3
    For some reason, it seems that this destruction of linguistic foundations is part of the subversive activities of the adherents of the Western way of life? 1
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  14. Good cat
    Good cat April 9 2014 16: 24
    0
    Nicho understood, many bukaf)))
  15. Arh
    Arh April 9 2014 16: 28
    0
    Speaking correctly, writing is the best friend !!! ***
  16. ASASHOKA
    ASASHOKA April 9 2014 16: 28
    +3
    After the collapse of the USSR, a large number of Russians and Russian speakers remained abroad. To assimilate and to be able to live with the main use of a non-native language, I had to adapt and mix several different languages ​​for communication when communicating. This is extremely bad. In addition, the people began to retrain en masse in Kutsi English-American language. This is humiliating for those who are used to THINK!
    According to official data from a number of international organizations, today about 233 million inhabitants of the planet speak Russian, of which 164 million use it as their native (first language), and 69 million as a second language of communication. In Russia, about 119 million people speak Russian and consider him native, and 27,1 million use it as a second language of communication. Thus, slightly less than half (37%) of the total number of people who speak the Russian language live outside Russia and are a significant part of the Russian world.
    It is extremely necessary at all levels and directions to support and develop precisely the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE, as the language of interethnic communication! It is necessary to overcome the stereotype of the importance in the life of the English or American language - the Russian language is more important!
    1. Cossacks
      Cossacks April 9 2014 17: 57
      0
      It is hard to disagree with you. Tell me, why is your nickname in Latin? I apologize if I offended.
      1. andrewvlg
        andrewvlg April 9 2014 18: 11
        +2
        Quote: Cossacks
        It is hard to disagree with you. Tell me, why is your nickname in Latin? I apologize if I offended.

        You, too, do not be offended, but the nicknames are still more among dogs and "thieves", among ordinary people - nicknames. In this case, you tell the person how to call himself, and you do this constantly. Moreover, you emphasize that your pseudonym - Kazakov - is your real name, and everyone else is cowards. But what is the courage? Nobody knows your full name, address, so there is no danger. It would be more pleasant for me if you called yourself by your first name and patronymic, but hid your last name, because it is unusual to address by your last name.
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  17. kocclissi
    kocclissi April 9 2014 16: 32
    0
    Lik without steers! Any language is constantly changing, evolving, so to speak, so to say that Pushkin or Lermontov spoke this way and not that way! They talked, according to their time, to their foundations.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir April 9 2014 17: 02
      +2
      Pushkin laid the foundation of the literary Russian language. And we Russians are talking on it now. Yes, the language is evolving. But if you do not know the basis, we will say the devil knows how.
      Half of the comment is neglected due to the fact that the author obscurely sets out his thoughts, for he speaks his own language, which he himself invented. It is simply disrespect for your readers and disrespect for yourself. Patriotism begins with a good knowledge of your language. With respect to your language.
      Yes, and teachers of literature in schools, unfortunately, with a small vocabulary.
  18. Igarr
    Igarr April 9 2014 16: 33
    +4
    Good article.
    Somewhat surprised that mechanical literacy is displayed from shop windows and posters, slogans.
    In my opinion, it was much more "to blame" for this universal literacy and reading of everything that could fall into the hands. Including samizdat.
    And now, yes, the Albanian blossoms and smells. For sms-ok, maybe a year-old. If people know each other well. And in the official letter, of course not.
    Yesterday, on Central Television, Russia 24, in the creeping line in Russian it was written and repeated several times - "Laying wholesale cable is a good way to raise the Internet in the Far East. "
    So, instead of fiber-optic cable, we will lay wholesale.
    This will help the Internet a lot.
  19. pvn53
    pvn53 April 9 2014 16: 37
    +3
    Modern advanced journalists sometimes say so that you ask yourself a question - where and who taught them Russian? Ekanye, tongue-tied, and even declining numerals - this is generally from the category of impossible for them. Linguistic culture and literacy of colloquial speech are considered as "the legacy of the scoop." This is primarily the fault of the reformers of school curricula and the notorious USE.
  20. Genur
    Genur April 9 2014 16: 55
    +1
    Quote: Mikhail M
    It happens, minus comments exclusively for illiteracy. It is difficult to search for meaning in warped words.


    I fully agree. I do the same.

    I will add think almost к Topic- besides illiterate writing, “ekania” and other “hums” in the speech of many figures, from correspondents, various “presenters,” to officials, make them nervous. It happens that, it seems, they want to express practical thoughts, but they cannot even pronounce a simple phrase until they mumble ...
    1. schizophrenic
      schizophrenic April 9 2014 17: 23
      0
      Quote: Genur
      forces until they mumble ...

      As long as you think you can think of politics.
  21. Luga
    Luga April 9 2014 17: 05
    +4
    And that, rightly, the article is both to the point and to the point. Well, that there is "Military Review", as the author correctly noted, the word is also a weapon. And information warfare is gaining more and more importance, so you need to wield these weapons as well as a machine gun.
    My conviction is that in order to write correctly without much work and cramming, you just need to regularly read and read serious literature. Personally, I don’t consider myself the ideal of grammar, how I write this way, but if any word makes me doubt it, I write it on a separate sheet with different options and the one that purely from an aesthetic point of view I like more, as a rule, is the only right smile At first I was surprised, I thought "innate literacy" yes and then I realized - just visual memory. Repeatedly read a correctly written word remains in memory. And in order to basically correctly place punctuation marks, you just need to understand well what exactly you want to say.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru April 9 2014 18: 27
      0
      Quote: Luga
      Personally, I do not consider myself an ideal grammar

      Yes, this is noticeable, but self-critical (... myself grammar ideal, etc.).
      1. Luga
        Luga April 9 2014 22: 47
        0
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Yes, it’s noticeable, but it’s self-critical

        smile
        I try to write correctly, but that is, that is, if I am mistaken, it is not from evil. smile
        And what, the "ideal of grammar" ... I will strive to become one wink
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru April 9 2014 23: 42
          0
          Quote: Luga
          I will strive to become one

          M. b. shouldn't you embed yourself, your own, especially in the form of a "function limit" (ideal) into the basic system of the language? Well, it doesn't fit, get me right: (... yourself the ideal (by whom? what?) grammar (whom ?, what?) ...).
  22. oldstaryi
    oldstaryi April 9 2014 17: 41
    0
    Quote: andrewvlg
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: andrewvlg
    So General Petrov came up with the Concept of Public Security. And 150 of millions of Russian people urgently need to distort their native Russian language, polished over hundreds of years by Lomonosov, Derzhavin, Pushkin and several thousand more writers and linguists.

    Tell me, but what language is it written in?



    The Chinese did not change their letter of 400 years and they read the works of their ancestors without special state translators.

    Are you suggesting a return to the Russian times of Lomonosov or Cyril and Methodius? Why are you talking about the Chinese? By the way, they have several languages ​​(and nationalities that hardly understand each other). If we are talking about a return to the pre-revolutionary spelling with "yaty" and "eram", then you could still be understood. So your linguists (?) Are proposing their own reforms. Do I understand correctly, or not? That is, they propose to artificially change the letter.
    In all seriousness, I humbly ask you to clarify - Do you propose to return to the Russian pre-revolutionary? Yes?

    In order to avoid disputes, you need to return the Russian language textbook of Barkhudarov and Kryuchkov to schools! tongue
  23. Polarfox
    Polarfox April 9 2014 17: 48
    +1
    Do not go too far, dear. Language is alive, constantly developing and changing. There is no need to return to archaisms, but distorting the language with illiteracy according to the principle "as it is heard, so it is written" is also not the case.
  24. tokens2
    tokens2 April 9 2014 17: 48
    0
    And finally, the question of principle: why write at all correctly? The meaning will come true, with all the mistakes!

    I agree. Errors will also bring laughing to the point. It all depends on the category of reading the text with errors.
    In our country, as they say ...- a three-story mat. 3-dimensional speech you understand lol
    And at once everyone has their own truth, who sees and understands himself.
    General Petrov came up with the concept of public safety. And 150 million Russian people must urgently distort their native Russian language, polished over hundreds of years by Lomonosov, Derzhavin, Pushkin and several thousand more writers and linguists.

    Someone thinks that they have already polished enough? Maybe ... only now we are not in the 19th century. Of course I am for regression ... in the sense of progress lol
    You give the age of 19! Yes there ... maybe in the Middle Ages ... but with a laptop.
    So we (ideally) should know the whole mass of sounds that our ancestors knew, from ancient Slavonic to literary.
    And the Germans and Anglo-Saxons let their ancient Slavic lol teach.
    Without grammatical fit, the language surrenders and degenerates - since all living things can be preserved for a long time only in strict form, and the formless and chaotic is doomed.


    Controversial. It is controversial to build a taut language in a chaotic time.

    Why are they expressed with errors? Well, something like that so ...
    He hits the bullseye without aiming


    So laziness is the engine of regression, and stupid laziness is doubly lol
    Yes ... only polishing the tongue is too emotional a wasteful matter. Earlier, every word was an act and a response. Literature hides emotions ... progress is based on this, rejection of the past.
    Only now, the historical trend may not even go around in circles ... but just go ahead ... into the past.
    As long as emotion lives in a person, he is alive. And any language can distort emotions in such a way on the way to order ...
  25. i80186
    i80186 April 9 2014 17: 49
    +2
    Quote: Boris55

    The Chinese did not change their letter of 400 years and they read the works of their ancestors without special state translators.
    Why did we change the letter - guess?

    Something I'm not sure that all Chinese people can read. wink
  26. Vixen
    Vixen April 9 2014 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Oleg Sobol
    "Knowledge" of Albany, goes to the level of "literate" and, often, everyday speech.

    "Albansky", to be more precise, is clearly overdone with it in the context of the phrase, has long been already bad manners even with Internet za.dr.o.t.o. smile
  27. Cossacks
    Cossacks April 9 2014 18: 10
    +1
    A very useful article, but beyond my understanding (I am a C grade in life). By the way, I remembered the moment about Ranevskaya who was surprised that there was an ass, but no words. And if we recall the fagots of the site, then I recall Sobolev's novel "Captain of the First Rank". The hero of which also wondered why the ladies were allowed to touch it with their hands, and if you pronounce the name of this out loud, they faint.
  28. 52
    52 April 9 2014 18: 18
    0
    Quote: Good cat
    Nicho understood, many bukaf)))

    Well, BALBES! You must write correctly if there is a desire to convey your thoughts to the interlocutor. What if, God forbid, is he literate? And if you have conversations between your friends, then it’s not a sin to insert syllogisms and jokes that everyone understands. Fse, the finger is tired, I’m going to rob the cows ...
  29. dropout
    dropout April 9 2014 18: 52
    0
    Who said that the state does not care for people with disabilities? For mentally retardedFor example, everything is released: films, music, and books.

    There they draw their wisdom and literacy.
  30. Turkir
    Turkir April 9 2014 21: 11
    0
    And finally, the question of principle: why write at all correctly? The meaning will come true, with all the mistakes!

    Especially if it makes no sense ..
    Why write correctly, especially in mathematics, physics, programming .. Continue next?
    And this is about oral speech, on which writing depends.
    As Ilya Ilf wrote: "He did not know the nuances of the language and said to the woman: I want to see you naked."
    If he said so and did not know the "nuances of the language", I can imagine how he wrote.
    winked
  31. Passer
    Passer April 9 2014 21: 26
    0
    Examination - taxis.
    Medina - helps.