Breaking the military-technical cooperation with Russia will lead to the final and irrevocable collapse of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex

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Breaking the military-technical cooperation with Russia will lead to the final and irrevocable collapse of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex4 April it became known that Ukraine will very soon cease military-technical cooperation with Russia. The decision was taken de facto by the Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk. At the same time, the Ukrainian side expects to "redirect export flows to eastern markets." In connection with these questions, a natural question arises: what will this absurd and exclusively emotional decision lead to for both states?

For starters, you need to pay attention to history The military-technical cooperation of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, as well as its current state.

At the time of the collapse of the USSR, almost 3600 enterprises of the military-industrial complex were operating in Ukraine, and 139 more scientific organizations developing new types of weapons. The share of the military industrial complex in the Ukrainian industry was at least 35%. A third of the USSR space industry went to Ukraine. However, due to incompetent management and policy, by the 1997 year, such enterprises became smaller in 5, and by the 2010 year, there were only about 140 operating production.

In fact, the collapse of the military industrial complex of Ukraine can be explained by the reluctance to build normal cooperation with Russian enterprises, endless throwing from side to side - depending on the preferences of people in power. At the same time, almost all attempts at cooperation with Western companies ended in complete failure, for example, Ukraine participated in the project to create the Airbus A-400M military transport aircraft, but immediately after the transfer of drawings and documentation to Antonov State Enterprise was excluded from the project. At the same time, the plane turned out to be very similar to what Antonov offered. There are no two such examples, and not two.

At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities did everything to destroy cooperation with the Russian Federation. It was forbidden to use the training center for deck fighters of the Russian Navy NITKA (although now it is located in the Russian Crimea), Russia was always denied the sale of the unfinished 1164 cruiser “Ukraine” under normal conditions, which remained to rust. Joint projects of the Russian Federation and the Antonov State Enterprise were never brought to mind - although the same unique project of the AN-70 transporter could have a huge amount of orders all over the world. The restoration of the production of the An-124 Ruslan (the largest aircraft in the world) also did not happen, as a result of which the Russian Federation is already working to produce these cars itself, without any participation from the Ukrainian side in the person of Antonov. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

As a result, in recent years, the Russian Federation has carried out systematic work to create its own production of those components that are produced by the enterprises of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine. In addition, almost no modern project uses the products of Ukrainian enterprises - this applies primarily to modern intercontinental ballistic missiles (Topol-M, Yars, a new railway missile system), anti-aircraft missile systems (the latest modifications of C-300 and C- 400) and aircraft.

Now consider what the gap between the military-technical cooperation will lead to for both sides. For the Russian Federation, this will be a rather painful blow, but fixable in the next few years. Most dependent on Ukrainian defense industry aviation equipment, and first of all it concerns helicopters. The main engine for the Mi-24 combat helicopter line and Mi-8 transporters is the TV3-117 engine (and its various modifications) produced only by the Zaporizhzhya company Motor Sich. Engines for Antonov transport aircraft are also produced by this company. It is worth noting that the Russian Federation will not be left without components for helicopters for long - TV3-117 will be produced by Klimov OJSC since 2015. Russia will be able to become completely independent of Motor Sich products no earlier than 2018.

In addition, the problem will be the maintenance of heavy liquid ICBM P-36М2 "Voevoda" (the most powerful ICBM in the world - carries up to 10 thermonuclear warheads), parts for which produces the legendary Yuzhnoye Design Bureau. It must be said that work is also being done in this direction - approximately in the 2018-2020 years, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces will begin to replace the legendary Voevode - the Sarmat ICBM. In the creation of the rocket, the Yuzhnoye design bureau does not take any part.

As for other products produced by the military industrial complex of Ukraine and necessary for the Russian Federation, then creating your own analogs will not take long - on average 1-2 of the year.

As you can see, Russia was partially ready for the breakdown of military-technical cooperation with Ukraine. The disadvantage is that in order to speed up work on some projects, you will have to invest quite large funds. But after a few years, Russia will have a full production cycle of almost any technology.

As for the consequences for Ukraine, they will be catastrophic, and the damage will be irreparable. It is enough to give only two numbers. 70% of the components of weapons produced in Ukraine are purchased in Russia. Without these supplies, Ukraine, in fact, will only be able to produce the T-84U Oplot tank in small-scale quantities. At the same time, more than 50% of Ukrainian military exports go to Russia.

What kind of "Eastern markets" in such a situation can be said is not quite clear. The country in an instant loses 50% of the sales market and the ability to produce serious equipment in principle. Of course, there will be some demand for Motor Sich engines from countries that operate helicopters manufactured by the USSRRFS, but these are poor numbers compared to contracts from Russia. The same applies to the sale of components and ammunition for other Soviet equipment.

From all of the above, we can conclude that the Ukrainian military industrial complex is waiting for a complete and final collapse. And so the decaying enterprises will remain idle and will soon be closed. And what is the saddest thing, the opportunity to come to their senses will not be either - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has already lost its confidence in the Ukrainian side and it is unlikely to restore the PTS. So the new de facto authorities in Kiev should think about their actions, casting aside emotions. Otherwise, thousands of people will soon be left without work. And against the background of a rise in gas prices, the remnants of the entire once-powerful industry in Eastern Ukraine will come to an end (it is worth noting that the largest military-industrial enterprises are also located in the South-East). Maybe this is the goal of the United States and its European partners in Ukraine? But how this is in the interests of the Ukrainian state itself is completely incomprehensible. Of course, this is the case if the given state still continues to exist, which today is not so obvious.
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  1. shyler
    +38
    April 7 2014 14: 34
    Ukraine will very soon cease military-technical cooperation with Russia loss of industrial areas of the state of Ukrainian)
    1. +17
      April 7 2014 14: 42
      Recently, there is no feeling that the goal of the maydaunas is precisely to kill the industry of the Southeast, to make industrial regions the same as Western agrarian ones. Western regions almost do not suffer from sanctions against Russia. Here is such a way to fight for the unity of the nation
      1. +11
        April 7 2014 15: 06
        Western agricultural
        Industry in the West began to kill the beginning of the 90s.
        Moving from west to east. In the union and the west of Ukraine was more industrial than the southeast now.
        1. +3
          April 7 2014 17: 38
          hi
          In the case of a “gay-European divorce,” there should NOT be any illusions about the preservation of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, as in this case, the most high-tech and technological production will be practically brought to Poland practically guaranteed.
          The rest of the enterprises went bankrupt, and the equipment was scrapped, and in their place a screwdriver assembly of consumer goods under the brand name "Made in EU" was organized!
          Bet?
      2. avg
        +1
        April 7 2014 18: 01
        Quote: Arhj
        Lately, there is no feeling that the goal of the maydaunas is precisely to kill the industry of the Southeast,

        This is the purpose of mattress pads and geyropa. And the stupid, narcissistic Yaytsenyukh and Avakov act exactly according to Ostrovsky's play "Dowry" - "So don't get anyone else!" and shoot at the Ukrainian defense industry.
    2. +2
      April 7 2014 16: 02
      As a result, in recent years, the Russian Federation has been systematically working to create its own production of those components

      We, too, are not all as happy as spelled out in the article. So Mr. POGO has already been invited to a conversation ... many questions have accumulated for him ...
    3. 0
      April 7 2014 16: 32
      Quote: shyler
      Ukraine will very soon cease military-technical cooperation with Russia loss of industrial areas of the state of Ukrainian)

      Yes, most likely it will be so.
    4. -1
      April 7 2014 16: 34
      And this is what Motor Sich Zaporozhye thinks, they remain optimistic:

      http://news.strela.zp.ua/novosti-zaporozhya/bez-zaporozhskogo-predpriyatiya-moto


      r-sich-rossiyskim-vertoletam-ne-vyzhit.-no-kak-byt-esli-rossiya-agressor.html # co


      mment-15410

      ... The general alignment of needs for engines of the TV3-117 and VK-2500 family for the coming years, it turns out, goes off scale well over 5000. Most of them, apparently, only the Zaporozhye Motor Sich can produce. Although these engines are produced in Russia - at the St. Petersburg JSC "Klimov". But he does not produce enough of them: according to official statistics, the company completed 2011 by producing 260 helicopter power plants - 95 VK-2500 and 165 TV3-117. Compared to previous years, progress is obvious: in 2009 less than 100 engines were produced, in 2010 - 198. Klimov's plans were to assemble in 2012 about 300 helicopter engines, after the completion of the construction of the new plant, by 2013 to reach level of 400, 500 and even 600 power plants per year. However, according to the results of first 2012 and then 2013, not only victorious reports did not follow - nothing at all, complete silence: information about the achievement of the planned indicators (or vice versa) was not made public.
      Russian aircraft engine building is clearly in a grave crisis: in all the post-Soviet years, nothing new has been created there, in fact. Over the years, not a single new plant has appeared in Russia, producing new products for aviation, not a single new design bureau, and indeed not a single project in this area has been brought to mass production. And without Ukrainian aircraft building enterprises, the Russian aircraft industry is unable to get out of this impasse. It is no coincidence that even in the midst of the events on the Maidan, it was reported that Ivchenko-Progress received a technical task from Russia: to create a more powerful aircraft engine than the AI-222-25, which is equipped with the Yak-130 combat training aircraft. It is planned to start testing the new engine in Zaporozhye next year. Moreover, on March 18, 2014, on the day of the annexation of Crimea, it was announced that a cooperation agreement had been signed between Motor Sich, Ivchenko-Progress and the UEC, within the framework of which it was planned to organize a certain International Engineering Center in Moscow, with a branch in Zaporozhye. , which will be engaged in the development of promising aircraft engines, including for fifth generation fighters ...
      1. Quantum
        +2
        April 7 2014 17: 04
        Dear, not annexation, but a plebiscite of Crimea.
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      3. +1
        April 7 2014 18: 24
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        And that's why Motor Sich Zaporozhye thinks,

        Motor Sich can think anything. For starters, how many helicopters in Russia specifically with these engines?
        And in the article the sight for 15-18 years:
        TV3-117 will be produced by JSC Klimov since 2015. Russia will be able to become completely independent of Motor Sich products not earlier than 2018.
        Yes, and I think they are developing new engines
        1. xsapranx
          0
          April 7 2014 21: 13
          It is produced but not bought ...
      4. 0
        April 7 2014 18: 28
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        March 18, 2014, the day of the annexation of Crimea

        You are not confusing anything - "Annexia (lat. Annexio, from lat. Annexus - attached) is the forcible annexation by the state of all or part of the territory of another state unilaterally."
      5. +2
        April 7 2014 19: 35
        Russian defenders seem to have solved the problem of the dependence of the Russian helicopter industry on Ukrainian engines. According to Vladislav Masalov, Director General of the United Engine Company (UEC), to Izvestia, by the 2015 year, Russian manufacturers will completely displace the Ukrainian Motor Sich plant, having set up production of 600 engines a year in St. Petersburg - that’s just enough to fully cover the needs Russian Helicopters. "

        “Already in the contracts for next year, Russian engines are cheaper than Ukrainian ones, and by 2015 we will be able to completely replace Motor Sich in the Russian market - they simply will not have buyers, because we will produce engines for all new helicopters,” Masalov explained.

        Read further: http://izvestia.ru/news/542011#ixzz2yDOyiv6l
      6. xsapranx
        0
        April 7 2014 21: 12
        Motor Sich can always go away with dual-use products, in addition, Almost all buyers of Russian helicopter equipment prefer Motor Sich propulsion systems. Accordingly, having offered part of the efforts and costs in this niche, one can hold back. Worse is what you noticed - PROSPECT developments here, as if with a choice and areas of cooperation, only China looms (its own market is rather utopia)
  2. +16
    April 7 2014 14: 39
    We don't need much now! Dnepropetrovsk "Yuzhmash", Zaporozhye "Motor Sich", Nikolaev Shipyards and Kharkovsky Malyshev! The rest will be tolerated! Well, these regions, of course! fellow
    1. jjj
      +5
      April 7 2014 15: 27
      Yesterday in the comments on TV they said that in the 19th century it was cheaper for Americans to change power in a banana republic than to change the price of bananas. And whether to take advantage of experience - whether to change the power in the industrial regions of Ukraine
    2. xsapranx
      +1
      April 7 2014 21: 14
      You have so much optimism, but I have doubts that the UralWagon will not do the same with Malyshiv as with the Omsk plant and (where is the team of the Omsk Design Bureau?)
  3. +4
    April 7 2014 14: 39
    This collapse does not please anyone except liberalists. Russia will stand. But Ukraine is just a pity
  4. +3
    April 7 2014 14: 40
    If the Southeast separates from Ukraine, everything will be fine, but Little Russia :-)
  5. +1
    April 7 2014 14: 47
    Most likely, it would be faster if our defense industry got on its feet
  6. +1
    April 7 2014 14: 49
    This is clear to everyone except the bandit authorities of Ukraine.
  7. +3
    April 7 2014 14: 51
    We don't need much now! Dnepropetrovsk "Yuzhmash", Zaporozhye "Motor Sich", Nikolaev Shipyards and Kharkovsky Malyshev! The rest will be tolerated! Well, these regions, of course!


    Another Kherson region is a way to the Crimea.
    1. 0
      April 7 2014 16: 46
      And not only in Crimea.
  8. solar2304
    +3
    April 7 2014 14: 53
    The task of the current "owners" of Ukraine has never included the development of large production projects. The goal, and not theirs, but the real designers of the orange lawlessness was the same - the rejection of Ukraine both in the political and socio-economic spheres from Russia. Production in the southeast is a direct threat to this. The solution is to destroy, destroy, plunder as much as possible ...
  9. +3
    April 7 2014 15: 00
    I support comments. It feels like the maydaunas are specifically blunting and compromising the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, which was already breathing at the expense of engine supplies and servicing the Voivode. And according to recent events, the feeling is still mixed that soon it will be the Russian military-industrial complex.
  10. Vasquez
    +3
    April 7 2014 15: 03
    Ukraine itself cuts the branch on which it sits. The East of Ukraine understands that the new pseudo-power simply ruins them.
  11. +4
    April 7 2014 15: 04
    The east of Ukraine, together with the Kherson, Zaporizhzhya and Odessa regions, we need, this is access to the Crimea by land and industry. As for the rest - in fact.
  12. AleksentsevDS
    +3
    April 7 2014 15: 08
    At least it pleases that Russia will switch to self-sufficiency.
  13. +4
    April 7 2014 15: 10
    Dear forum users! Our strategic missile carriers bear proper names. I propose to call the standing "Voevods" and the future "Sarmat" cities - targets, for example: "Seattle", "Los Angeles", "Washington", etc.
    And on the topic: the South-East will still not be subordinate to Kiev, so the enterprises will soon become ours. Let any laws be stamped at the direction of Fashington, they will not spread beyond Kiev wink
  14. +2
    April 7 2014 15: 11
    Probably they feel that the southeast can move away from them, that’s what they’re falling apart. If they become independent, then let them become hard. If they move to Russia, then let it be spent on restoration. But the Americans do not need this industry in any form, and they command there.
  15. +1
    April 7 2014 15: 16
    Thinking (?? !!) of the new leadership of the "independent" as a drunken suicide - "then everyone will regret ..." The main thing for them is to grab, like Saakashvili, and slip over the hill, to "daddy"!
  16. +1
    April 7 2014 15: 16
    Quote: soln2304
    The task of the current "owners" of Ukraine has never included the development of large production projects. The goal, and not theirs, but the real designers of the orange lawlessness was the same - the rejection of Ukraine both in the political and socio-economic spheres from Russia. Production in the southeast is a direct threat to this. The solution is to destroy, destroy, plunder as much as possible ...
    A rat (YULISKA) cornered and its cousins ​​..... mans are possible and will share the power and the remains of pennies, the question is - what will the hard workers and peasants of Ukraine get? Answer: no shit !!! Nothing will go to those who work! And they will vegetate in one of the best territories in the world. Well, rulers will gobble up lobsters and tuna in Florida. Ugh ...
  17. -2
    April 7 2014 15: 18
    It was necessary to think about this during the 1st gas war. The goal of the Ukrainian government is to lick the latrines of the West and not the prosperity of its people. Now until 17-18gg. helicopters will not fly.
    1. Aleksandr65
      +2
      April 7 2014 15: 49
      Through China we will buy or through another third country. Not the first time.
  18. Tatiana_123
    +2
    April 7 2014 15: 21
    It looks like a kindergarten. You are bad. I won’t give you my toy and I don’t want yours. After all, this is momentary. Or think about the future - are your brains busy? Something can be chopped off quickly. But will it be able to grow quickly?
  19. +3
    April 7 2014 15: 27
    The article affects only a special case.

    Euro-Ukraine will have no industry at all.
    Agriculture.
    Sciences.
    Education.
    Medicine.
    Europe does not need competitors. And demented orcish maydauns are very necessary. Cannon fodder.
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  20. The Art of War
    0
    April 7 2014 15: 28
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhAEWjGS61g#t=973
  21. Platov
    +2
    April 7 2014 15: 29
    The leaders of the outskirts felt freedom and they became intoxicated by this, drunken sea knee-deep. Why do they need the military-industrial complex if the Amerovskaya carrot is looming ahead.
    1. +1
      April 7 2014 16: 52
      Quote: PLATOV
      The leaders of the outskirts felt freedom and they became intoxicated by this, drunken sea knee-deep. Why do they need the military-industrial complex if the Amerovskaya carrot is looming ahead.

      They even know what and how to develop with this carrot in order to successfully integrate into the Geyropa. laughing
  22. +1
    April 7 2014 15: 30
    As always, Ukrainians are trying to achieve their goals at the cost of their citizens - lost jobs, deductions to a pension fund, social funds. But how good it sounds - we refused to cooperate with the vile invaders! The question arises - how does the power relating to its own people as an occupier have the audacity to declare someone in occupation.

    If they are, what now people just endure? They themselves showed with the help of Maidan what to do and who is who!
  23. +1
    April 7 2014 15: 31
    If, nevertheless, the east leaves the composition of the independent. That fate will not be enviable. Most likely, Hungary, Romania and Poland will tear the remainder into pieces. Well done Bandera. They fight for a super power and they themselves divide the pie into pieces. In a year or three, 3-5 will integrate with the geyropa there will be no one and nothing. Because how the state of Ukraine will leave all maps of the world
  24. +1
    April 7 2014 15: 38
    The situation is now as follows. Tensions are growing between us and the West. We expose our geopolitical demands, our West. Accordingly, we need to reinforce these requirements by force. In such a situation, it would be unreasonable to hope for cooperation with a country that is constantly leaning towards the West. Even if you take the engine. I personally am anxious to put them on technology, realizing that there may be a deliberate defect. which I may not detect. In all other respects, Ukraine as an independent state must rely on its own resources. True, all that she had she lost in recent years. Because there was no motivation to save. Well, roughly speaking, what for you the equipped workshop when you are seriously engaged in trade. Here it is the same. The country was busy selling everything. Outside, she was not annoyed, like Russia; accordingly, there were no incentives to modernize the protective (defense) function. Well, in the course of activity, defense functions simply atrophied. Only those industries from which Ukraine had income were left. And then, the contribution to these industries was minimal. That is, there was a constant degradation. And now this degraded industry, which we supported with orders from our enterprises, will decompose very quickly and disappear. For the new Ukrainian authorities are not interested in it.
  25. +12
    April 7 2014 15: 41
    I am dancing ... smile
    1. +1
      April 7 2014 19: 52
      Quote: Russ69
      I am dancing

      I understand that this is deb, or he doesn’t realize what he’s doing, but why should he charge then
    2. xsapranx
      -1
      April 7 2014 21: 15
      Super !!!!
      I painted for a long time ?!
  26. dedvictor
    0
    April 7 2014 15: 55
    "The break in military-technical cooperation with Russia will lead to the final and irrevocable collapse of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex!" What can not but rejoice! Me, for example. Better a weak enemy at hand (and the Ukrainians are our enemies, whatever one may say) than a strong one. Let us strangle in our tender, gentle embrace!
  27. +1
    April 7 2014 16: 17
    I believe that our intelligence at the moment should reject all politicians, do not give a damn about everything and start a brutal massive attack. We are obliged to get everything out of there, absolutely all Soviet defense secrets! You can not leave a single piece of paper! How the matter goes is still unclear, but that everything will be completely sold out is a fact. Maybe they have already sold it out, but no matter how we are left without our own developments! And it would be very good to take out the secret carriers.
  28. Voenruk
    +4
    April 7 2014 16: 38
    Here everything describes how industry and the military-industrial complex collapsed in Ukraine. Do you think we have better !? The same and even worse! They just keep silent. Everywhere this predatory privatization of the 90s! So you need to pay attention to yourself, not look at your neighbor. Well, now, what is happening is a living example for us Russians. In fact, in Russia there is no machine tool industry, everything remains of Stalin. Everywhere deindustrialization, corruption. It is necessary to work in the country so that everyone before the law is equal.
    1. 0
      April 7 2014 18: 43
      Quote: Voenruk
      In fact, in Russia there is no machine tool industry, everything remains of Stalin.

      Is that all? Something from Hitler - in remote places you can still meet trophy machines!
      Physical depreciation of industrial equipment in the machine tool industry exceeds 50%. The renewal rate of the machine tool fleet in the USSR was 5-6% per year, and at present in Russia it is 0,29%.
  29. 0
    April 7 2014 16: 47
    In light of recent events in the south-east of Ukraine, it will not have industrial areas, and rightly so.
  30. 0
    April 7 2014 16: 50
    There was a worthy military-industrial complex in Ukraine. Ruined! It's a shame, people are left without work and, accordingly, they have to "suck their thumb". Enemies of the Slavic people.
  31. 0
    April 7 2014 17: 07
    Yeah, do not build it to destroy. What do you think in Ukraine and what do you think?
  32. DimDimych
    +3
    April 7 2014 17: 09
    conclusion that the Ukrainian defense industry is waiting for a complete and final collapse

    there is no need for pessimism, the Kiev-junta has been establishing its new military-industrial complex for a long time ... good
  33. Oml
    0
    April 7 2014 17: 52
    Yaytsenyuh all in ambition. He knows perfectly well that Ukrainians will suffer much more, but all the same, Russia must be harmed.
  34. 0
    April 7 2014 18: 01
    Aphids, when these ruling idiots are already outweighed!?!
  35. +1
    April 7 2014 18: 13
    Thousands of Ukrainians, mostly Russian-speaking, will lose their livelihood and then the merciless riot will begin, but not meaningless, but which will demolish this junta.
  36. +1
    April 7 2014 18: 14
    Everything is collapsing! Ukraine is collapsing, Obama has achieved something.
  37. +1
    April 7 2014 18: 18
    In the union and the west of Ukraine was more industrial than the southeast now.



    You know, looking at the map, I wouldn’t say that ... Although maybe it’s like your television broadcasts now ...
  38. Leshka
    0
    April 7 2014 19: 08
    digging their own grave recourse
  39. 0
    April 7 2014 19: 53
    Author
    Quote
    "But how this comes into the interests of the Ukrainian state itself is completely incomprehensible."
    I’ll try to look at the military-industrial complex of Ukraine through the eyes of the ruling part of the population in Ukraine, starting in 1991.
    Kravchuk, participating in the collapse of the USSR, wanted to feel like the head of state (it is better to be the head of a fly than the tail of an elephant), with all the resulting nishtyaks, believing that the balance of rights and obligations will be in his favor.
    Nobody was going to attack Ukraine (and Russia wouldn’t give it), therefore Ukraine does not need the military-industrial complex designed for the USSR and its dying is natural.
    At the expense of the military-industrial complex, it was possible to solve the personal material problems of the power holders. I’ll try to explain: with public ownership, it’s quite profitable to stole a thing worth 100 rubles, sell it for 30, divide the money between those involved, and society will buy a new one (if necessary).
    And the interests of the state are, as a rule, the interests of a certain group of persons in a given state, those who hold a lump; not bad when these interests coincide with the interests of most residents of this state.
  40. +1
    April 7 2014 20: 20
    Nothing, because everything will soon fall into place ... And Ukraine will blossom as a part of Mother Russia, and people will be at work, and factories at orders ... Look - tomorrow will be our common Victory!
    1. 0
      April 8 2014 03: 02
      Only not as part of Mother Russia, but as a self-sufficient and peace-loving state. But already without the "bandarlogy" that fled to "the coveted Europe" (LET'S MAIDANYAT IN WARSAW)
  41. 0
    April 7 2014 23: 13
    Quote: KAPITANUS
    Everything is collapsing! Ukraine is collapsing, Obama has achieved something.

    I think Russia will soon come to the border with Transnistria!
  42. 0
    April 8 2014 11: 54
    the conclusion that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is waiting for a complete and final collapse AND WILL BEGIN THE FURNACE OF THE NULAND PIE fellow