India will buy ammunition for tanks from Russia

India signed an agreement with Russia on the purchase of 66 thousand armor-piercing sub-caliber ammunition "Mango" for tank 125 mm cannons, which are equipped with T-90 tanks. This was reported by the Press Trust of India news agency.

The cost of the agreement is estimated at 26 billion rupees (419 million dollars). Previously, it was approved by the Cabinet of Ministers of the Government of India in accordance with the necessary procedures.

The agreement also provides for the subsequent production of these ammunition under license in India. The Office will take care of it armory factories OFB (Ordnance Factory Board).

The need to purchase the Ministry of Defense explained the acute shortage of tank ammunition from the Indian armed forces.

Comments

[mojohed2012]

The main thing is that the Russian military should not go to the detriment of ammunition. It is necessary to develop power.

[elmi]

India seems hooked on our weapons And with the purchase in the future of Almaty will have to buy again shells for armature, which can not but rejoice.

[bvi1965]

And what will Armata have a different caliber? I doubt it. 125 mm is our caliber. In my opinion, the caliber of 120 mm is more widespread throughout the world. So you have to buy from the gun manufacturer. Neighbors from the northeast could sell cheaper, but ...

[jjj]

Yes, there’s no way overseas

[Orc-xnumx]

So the heavenly part of Tibet in India chopped off.

[Orc-xnumx]

The question is what kind of caliber will be in Almaty? Assume 140mm.

[mamont5]

Quote: Orc-78

The question is what kind of caliber will be in Almaty? Assume 140mm.

What for? The larger the caliber, the less BZ.

[zeleznijdorojnik]

Thank God that they buy from us, and not do it ourselves - otherwise these drivers of elephants and camels have already tried to put their batteries on our boat - e-zero so that the seismic stations were registered.

[mamont5]

Quote: zeleznijdorojnik

The agreement also provides for the subsequent production of these munitions under license in India. They will be engaged in the OFB Weapons Factory (Ordnance Factory Board).

Why, exactly what are they going to:
"The agreement also provides for the subsequent production of this ammunition under license in India. It will be handled by the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB)."

[Flooding]

Quote: bvi1965

In my opinion, the caliber of 120 mm is more widespread throughout the world. So you have to buy from the manufacturer of guns. Neighbors from the northeast could sell cheaper, but ...

Israel entered the market with the offer of 125-mm tank ammunition with an eye on the tank fleet of India.
At Defexpo 2012, Israeli company IMI introduced a multi-purpose tracer (HE-MP-T - High-Explosive Multi-Purpose Tracered) M710 and armor-piercing shell MK-2 (APFSDS-T - Armor Piercing, fin Stabilized, Discarding Sabot-Tracer).
And the purchase by India of "Mango", as I understand it, from a series of contracts for the supply of tank and artillery ammunition, signed at the exhibition "Technologies in Engineering 2012".

[inkass_98]

Quote: bvi1965

And what will Armata have a different caliber?

The caliber will be the same, the gun is different, respectively, and the shells are different (longer), they will not fit in the current AZ.

[VladimS]

Armata ...? First, you need to fully equip your units with this new tank.
And then .. think about sales.

[elmi]

In general, my opinion is that armature, C-400,500 and the latest types of weapons cannot be sold, even if you fully equip your troops with them. You can sell them through 10. I’m pretty sure that they will sell the armature, even if not immediately, but they will sell 2-4 in a year. History with the intention to sell SU-2016 to China in 35 confirms my concerns.

[ShturmKGB]

Everything is fine, just let it be paid in rubles or in another currency (except for the dollar, pound or euro) ...

[sssss018]

Yes, it's time to abandon the green!

[avg]

Quote: mojohed2012

The main thing is that the Russian military should not go to the detriment of ammunition. It is necessary to develop power.

Not to the detriment of Russia. But it is most likely about BOPS 3VBM-17M "Mango M"

[Klim2011]

Fine! In no case do not give the US market to India!

[Kostya pedestrian]

Hmm, the Indians were almost British business crushing for themselves, and in the United States, their gurus landed, according to Hollywood. Heard about the Republican Party of Elephants?

Fortunately, Obama was not ousted, the Democrats are still in power, and it is not known how this year of the horse for central Russia would end.

The country of Akbar, as well as of all other unnecessary religions, does not like to joke, or rather, it does not know how.

Do you know how goodbye is in Japanese? "Koni chiba (shiva)".

[Old Cynic]

Do you know how goodbye is in Japanese? "Koni chiba (shiva)".

Duc ... In one of the series "Taxi" it seems to be put forward as "hello" ...

[inkass_98]

Quote: Old Cynic

Duc ... In one of the series "Taxi" it seems to be put forward as "hello

Don’t worry, this uncle confuses the pedals ... "Sayo nara" - goodbye, "konniti wa (konni shiva)" - hello.

[Vladimirets]

Konstantin, it’s covered you great.

[tronin.maxim]

We are always glad to regular customers!

[ZU-23]

Quote: tronin.maxim

We are always glad to regular customers!

Well, yes, only now we don’t have to shell ourselves

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: ZU-23

only now we don’t have to squander shells ourselves

I think the first thing on the first should be SAFE DISPOSAL OF THE OLD, and not as always. And along the way, get new ones.

[dmitrij.blyuz]

Good Hindus! Ammunition, An-32e, maybe even the AWACS plane will take out? Although there are not enough hopes

[Old Cynic]

The main thing is to competently offer:

"- Spread between the residents of our housing office!
- And if they don’t take it?
- And if they do not take it, we will turn off the gas! "

(c) "The Diamond Arm"

[Old Cynic]

Duc ... And who else to buy?

[Lissyara]

So I also wanted to voice it ... The tank is something like ours, or does it "eat" all the calibers? (which I strongly doubt).

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: LiSSyara

Is the tank like ours, or does it "eat" all the calibers?

Of course, he doesn’t eat all the gauges, but any fuel, just pour it!

[Old Cynic]

Do not tell! What if Vasily Alibabaevich is in the rank of ensign who will use donkey urine for other purposes?

[Orc-xnumx]

They talk about fuel for you!

[Old Cynic]

And your grandmother did not teach you two simple things:
1. Do not poke at strangers.
2. First, understand what is at stake, and only then include your osloemia.

Huh?

[zeleznijdorojnik]

I do not understand, there are not 80s, but diesel t-90s, why any fuel?

[inkass_98]

Quote: zeleznijdorojnik

why any fuel?

Because the diesel is multi-fuel.

[Old Cynic]

"So, after all, he eats whatever is horrible:
From porcelain to nails! "

(c) L. Filatov

[Andrew 447]

So Ukraine might be in a hurry, they don’t need an army in one FIG. They create the National Guard

[Orc-xnumx]

Quote: Andrew 447

So Ukraine might be in a hurry, they don’t need an army in one FIG. They create the National Guard

Ukraine is tied to Pakistan. For India, this is unacceptable!

[Orc-xnumx]

Previously, they could have Ukraine, but Pakistan is there, so there is nowhere else besides us.

[Siberian19]

It is especially pleasant that India took our side in the Crimea and Ukraine, we must help and not let amers go!

[Irokez]

As in the fairy tale about the medusa "Gorgon".

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Siberian19

India took our side in the Crimea and Ukraine, it is necessary to help and not to let amers go!

Quote: Irokez

As in the fairy tale about the medusa "Gorgon".

Guys, I fully support your opinion and strongly agree with the posted photos, even copied them to my archive.
But ... do you miss the shaft of articles on the problem of Ukraine that is now available on the site for SUCH comments?

Maybe we’ll just talk about MILITARY THEMES a little and ... take a little rest from politics ... at least a little.
And then it’s already in the liver (politics).

Sincerely
Alex.

[Orc-xnumx]

India abstained.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

the author, is everything ok with the numbers?
I got 6350 beat, ok 222000 rubles per shell, not too much?

[Starover_Z]

If the client agrees and pays, then the price is normal.
Well, this is the judgment of the teapot, and if there are people who really touched on this topic, let them say it.
After all

Mango armor-piercing ammunition

not simple shells.

[Old Cynic]

Mango 3BM42 - two elongated tungsten alloy cores in a steel body shirt (1986)

[Patton5]

The price is not only the cost of the shell itself!

[wizarden]

The couple, it seems to me, cannot one such shell cost like the new Lada Grant. This is not Krasnopol any correctable. We look forward to another corruption revelations from India.

[uwzek]

Lada Granta (even with plastic tuning and a spare light bulb) with an artillery armor-piercing subcaliber projectile did not lie next either in manufacturing accuracy or in the uniqueness of the materials used for this.
Hindus not only want to buy cartridges, but also production technology (licensed), and our tanks from 2A46 around the world like dirt ...

[KOSMOS]

And the Indians are doing well for us! The production chain is hosted! Tanks produce shells on the way.

[Smiles to you]

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

the author, is everything ok with the numbers?
I got 6350 beat, ok 222000 rubles per shell, not too much?

Maybe this, taking into account the delivery?

[Terrible ensign]

Guys, this is taking into account delivery to the user and with a breakdown of the cost of the license to manufacture the product in India (well, not for free to sell the technology ...)

[zeleznijdorojnik]

The sub-caliber is worth so much - I don’t know, honestly, this model, but it is possible that with a core of depleted uranium.

[Old Cynic]

Wiki:

In the USSR and Russia, several types of BOPs are widely known, created at different times and having their own names that arose from the name / code of R&D. The BOPS are listed below in chronological order from old to new. The device and body material of BOPS are briefly indicated:

"Hairpin" 3BM22 - a small tungsten carbide core in the head of a steel body (1976);
“Nadfil-2” 3BM30 - uranium alloy (1982);
Nadezhda 3BM27 - a small tungsten alloy core in the tail of a steel body (1983);
"Vant" 3BM32 - a monolithic body of uranium alloy (1985);
"Mango" 3БМ42 - two elongated tungsten alloy cores in a steel body shirt (1986);
“Lead” 3BM48 - monolithic body made of uranium alloy (1991);
Anker 3BM39 (1990s);
"Pattern" 3BM44 M? - advanced alloy (details unknown) (1997); perhaps this BOPS is called "Projectile of increased power";
"Lead-2" - judging by the index, a modified shell with a uranium core (details unknown).

[uwzek]

Why Wikipedia? It is easy to find dozens of detailed articles in the archive of the site in the sections "ammunition" and "military technologies"

[Chifka]

Everything is as usual for them: they saved a dozen years - bought tanks. They dug up another five years - they bought shells for them. They bought an aircraft carrier, now by 2030 they plan to buy the first aircraft. East is a delicate matter...

[Kostya pedestrian]

Do not forget to boil the ammunition first, otherwise they will not pay for the bread, and they will draw duty-free water from Lake Baikal.

[alex47russ]

I wonder who they were going to fight with !?

[Old Cynic]

So they have an eternal conflict with Pakistan, Dear!

[Vadim12]

Semi-wild Pakistan with anarchy and nuclear weapons.

[Prince sofa]

Can't the Indians start the production of shells themselves? Missiles are fired, but the pig-iron blanks are not mastered? Nonsense. Most likely, just an approval of the Russian bear, another signal of loyalty and common interests.

[uwzek]

Pyotr and Mazepa were shooting with cast-iron blanks ... And the BOPS is, "like" such a high-tech arrow, which is released from the cannon, it flies straight and without any homing heads, which break from storage, theoretically capable of covering a tank that is millions of uev ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: uwzek

And BOPS is, "like" such a high-tech arrow, which is fired from a cannon, it flies straight and without any homing heads that break from storage, theoretically it is capable of covering a tank that costs millions of dollars ...

Yes.
And the future lies behind them.
The crowbar will also be dispersed at high speed:
- "Initial" for cannon shots.
- "Flight" for ATGM.

Metal physics for the core and chemistry for fuel (the same HMV) are already coming to the fore.

And about the crowbar ...
I have been saying for a long time that the most terrible anti-tank weapon is a simple 2C5 "Hyacinth" blank. It will stop ANY modern and promising tank.
With the same 152mm caliber, the 2S5 is much more powerful than the 2S19 in direct fire, because The Hyacinth's ammunition is unique and fits only her one - they are ... elongated.
Himself, as a tanker, I’m afraid of this self-propelled gun ... and more than abrashka, leo and carrots ...


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[uwzek]

Pyotr and Mazepa were shooting with cast-iron blanks ... And the BOPS is, "like" such a high-tech arrow, which is released from the cannon, it flies straight and without any homing heads, which break from storage, theoretically capable of covering a tank that is millions of uev ...

[Terrible ensign]

Have we sold them "devianostiki" without "Arena" and "Curtains"? Correct those who know - educate! ..

[uwzek]

We sold them what they bought. The Shtora system is available on Indian tanks, the armor is an export version, the Arena does not exist at all (I mean in the form adopted for service) ...

[Gagarin]

Among India's "friends", Pakistan is always in the first place. They took the T-90 under them.

Quote: alex47russ

I wonder who they were going to fight with !?

[REDBLUE]

Well, comrades help us. And then the geyropa with mattresses scares us with sanctions. Let them choke on their sanctions

[Gagarin]

The price is really something muddy ...
Maybe kickbacks are already officially voiced?

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

the author, is everything ok with the numbers?

[Vyacheslav 64]

Quote: bvi1965

And what will Armata have a different caliber? I doubt it. 125 mm is our caliber. In my opinion, the caliber of 120 mm is more widespread throughout the world. So you have to buy from the gun manufacturer. Neighbors from the northeast could sell cheaper, but ...

Armata plans to return to unitary ammunition.

[uwzek]

Why does he need unitary ammunition? Do you seriously admit that Russia will begin to make new shells for the armament, and will send a gigantic supply of old cartridges to the landfill? Uninhabited fighting compartment allows to use a unitary charge on armatures, but for what? Firstly, you have to increase the free zone behind the breech of the gun by the length of the charge (the cartridge will be longer). Secondly, after the current shots in the barrel, a compact pallet remains, the rest burns out, it is easier and faster to remove it when reloading than a long sleeve (the bullet glued to the combustible sleeve exists only in handguns and is never accepted for service). The complexity of loading a unitary cartridge into the machine (it is stupidly heavier and larger), the inconvenience of storage (the same OBPS will never tear during storage, and with the maintenance of tank guided missiles necessary during storage, you do not need to be protected from accidentally undermining their expelling charges).
A separate shot for a tank gives much more opportunities for its modernization, which is why there are more of our different shots than NATO ones (there is the possibility of separately upgrading charges and shells).
I gave it offhand. Increase the rate of fire of the tank by 2-3 rounds per minute with an ammunition load of 20-30 shells in the AZ, while receiving a bunch of problems and the inability to use old ammunition ...

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Vyacheslav 64

Armata plans to return to unitary ammunition.

And in more detail, please ...
Vyacheslav, you shouldn’t just throw such phrases ...

[samoletil18]

Good news. The price is somewhat confusing.

[Aleks tv]

So the Hindus still “gave birth” to the contract for ammunition ...
Well, well.
They procrastinated this topic from 2012 of the year ... everyone tried to establish their own production.
So - it didn’t work out.

The 3VBM17 (3VBM17M) "Mango" round with the 3BM42 (3BM42M) armor-piercing sub-caliber projectile is no longer young, it has been produced since 1986.
But this is the most reliable "crowbar" of ... simple ammunition that "fit" into a standard AZ.
Other shots?
- shots of increased power ZVBM22 with BPS ZBM59 "Lead-1" and ZVBM2 with BPS ZBMb0 "Lead-2" with a uranium core. But this is not a barrier to export. The fact is that these are elongated ammunition. It is necessary to increase the length of the AZ cells to 640mm to use Lead.
- The 3BM39 "Anker" was developed with an aspect ratio of more than 20. This is a uranium OBPS monoblock for a 2A66 high ballistic cannon for the failed Object 187 (unfortunately). Those. "Anker" simply does not fit into the standard AZ.

To ensure the use of new BPS, the loader is undergoing refinement. Changes are made to the mechanism of lifting the cassettes, the rotating conveyor, the drive of the conveyor and its crankcase, the receiving tray of the autoloader and the cartridge itself are being improved.
This is a rather time-consuming process, and since the Indians decided to buy Mango, then they did not begin to modernize their tank fleet ...
But that is their decision. The master is the master.

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ps And also for new ammunition, the 2A46M-5 gun is desirable.

For your information:
In the RS of the Russian Federation, such changes (AZ) were made at the T-72BA and are declared for the modernization of the T-72Б3.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Aleks tv

To ensure the use of new BPS, the loader is undergoing refinement.

Here is a schematic designation of the necessary rework of the AZ for the use of longer "crowbars" in comparison with the "Mango":

This is also ARCHIVAL for the modernization of our tank fleet:

[Nayhas]

Quote: Aleks tv

- shots of increased power ZVBM22 with BPS ZBM59 "Lead-1" and ZVBM2 with BPS ZBMb0 "Lead-2" with a uranium core. But this is not a barrier to export. The fact is that these are elongated ammunition. It is necessary to increase the length of the AZ cells to 640mm to use Lead.

Did these BOPS for promising tanks do?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Nayhas

Did these BOPS for promising tanks do?

Good day, Eugene.

They were made for promising tanks and ... within reasonable limits of the possible modernization of existing AZs.
About MH - not in the know.

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By article:
I would like to stress once again that the purchase of Mango is a very serious decision for India.
For several years they fought with the creation of their own "crowbar" and were tormented by the issue of modernizing the AZ of their T-72 and T-90.
The Indians have chosen - "Mango".
The purchase issue was almost resolved in the 2012 year and was already sucked up at the TVM-2012 exhibition, but ... they were delayed with the adoption of the final decision until now.
Not so simple.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Aleks tv

They were made for promising tanks and ... within reasonable limits of the possible modernization of existing AZs.
About MH - not in the know

Thank you!

[uwzek]

These BOPS did at all. It turned out that a sub-caliber projectile with an elongated bow could break through a tank’s DZ without triggering a DZ charge, after further firing the shots, it turned out that not one of the shortest new OBPS could fit into the T-72’s automatic loader, since it didn’t work, the shells lengthened to the calculated optimum ...

[Giant thought]

Take bagels, drive rubles. If they buy, then our ammunition suits them. Buy, we have a lot of things.

[Vtel]

The need to purchase the Ministry of Defense explained the acute shortage of tank ammunition from the Indian armed forces.

They told them to take more bullets from our dash, while you shoot, your appetite and excitement will appear.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Vtel

while you shoot, the appetite will appear and excitement.

Grew up, they rarely shoot "crowbars" at school (finally, they almost never shoot), they thoroughly wear out the bore.
These shells are a strategic reserve for a possible war.

And the training staff is made with "practical" shells (a real blank, verified in terms of mass and dimensions) in the form of K and HE.

[kelevra]

Apparently the Indians are very actively studying! We, too, fortunately, the tendency to spend more ammunition has gone!

[Prince sofa]

Quote: uwzek

Pyotr and Mazepa were shooting with cast-iron blanks ... And the BOPS is, "like" such a high-tech arrow, which is released from the cannon, it flies straight and without any homing heads, which break from storage, theoretically capable of covering a tank that is millions of uev ...

Is BOPS harder than a ballistic missile? And India has been launching them for a long time.

[uwzek]

Simplicity is always more complicated. A correctly made sub-caliber will not break until it decays nafig, and ICBM after three years of combat duty it is not clear where it will fly away ...

[Yarik]

VladimS Today, 12:54 ↑
Armata ...? First, you need to fully equip your units with this new tank.
And then .. think about sales.


Well, it’s clear that in about 10 years (an optimistic forecast), then the most things will be thought about.

[supertiger21]

More such deals !

[igor.borov775]

Hello, in general, it’s a very correct decision, It always saved the country's finances, Tell me why to reinvent the wheel if they sell a license for its production, It was always like that and we bought it where there was a possibility, It was always like that, And the next step is our own developments and our own ammunition, What can I say India is building up its economic potential, you just look at what is reaching for this deal, Well done is a wise decision and perhaps some vision is not some of our decisions, This is the production of new alloys in metallurgy expansion ins life will force the unequivocal base, The next stage is the development of research and development work, and it is already becoming clear that India is beginning to be famous not only for elephants, but also for many products that are at a high technological and scientific level, all the more so there is a neighbor to be equaled with, This is China , He also doesn’t doze off and is developing very quickly and the pace is simply overwhelming. and envy, China is now showing and setting the development of the entire region and everyone knows who is behind who will fall under the guardianship of China. Without war, therefore, giant attempts are made to keep up,