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The army of Ukraine for many years deliberately destroyed: experts

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The army of Ukraine for many years deliberately destroyed: expertsFor many years, the armed forces of Ukraine were deliberately destroyed, and “volunteers from Russia” were allowed to head the Ukrainian army. The ex-chief of the General Staff, Anatoly Lopata, and the director of the Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Valentin Badrak, reported today at a press conference, reports LigaBusinessInform.


“When we are confronted with specific things, the hair stands on end. The army was deliberately destroyed,” said Badrak.

According to him, there is now a huge shortage of key specialists in the army, and the Desnyansky Training Center, which previously produced up to 1,500 such specialists, has reduced recruitment by an order of magnitude.

"Our assessments of the state of military equipment indicate that the artillery systems have been in use for more than 30 years, the Scud and Point missile systems are virtually gone, and what he was preparing for a replacement, I mean the Sapsan project, turned into long-term construction. We would have already had an experimental rocket in 2013 by a normal military-political will, ”the military expert emphasized.

50% of Ukrainian aircraft, Badrak added, have been in operation for more than thirty years, and the General Staff has not expressed his vision of what the future Ukrainian aircraft will be like, "however much we provoked it under any direction."

Badrak assured that Ukraine can create serious weapons. He advises to focus on the rocket shield.

"Missile technology is what is being done from scratch. I would give the Global Role to the Kyiv KB Ray, which in the last ten years has created a whole line of high-precision weaponsbut everything went for export, "he noted.

In turn, Lopata believes that even with this technique, Ukraine can stand against Russia and its power structure.

"I agree that Ukraine has the prospect of having high-precision and rocket weapons. But this is the perspective of 15 years. Today we have enough equipment that we inherited from our grandfather, inherited from the Great Patriotic War, and this technique is very effective in defense, "he said.

Lopata also confirmed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were being purposefully destroyed, and "volunteers from the Russian Federation" were allowed to head the military units and even the Ministry of Defense.

According to him, these people did everything to ensure that the Ukrainian ships in the Crimea did not go out to sea, and the planes did not fly into the sky.

"Even the Germans could not take our warehouses, and we passed them in the integrity and security of the Russian Federation. This treachery was present at the level of the president of the country, ministers and further along the chain to the commanders of divisions and formations," he concluded.

Earlier, the director of the Center for Army Studies, Conversion and Disarmament, Valentin Badra, said that the danger of a military invasion of Ukraine is still very high, but Russian President Vladimir Putin is afraid of a real military response.
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  1. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 1 2014 10: 07
    +50
    Shaw, is Putin to blame again?
    1. W1950
      W1950 April 1 2014 10: 16
      +49
      Again, Russia is to blame, and didn’t the Ukrainian rulers crawl to the knees before the Amers, when they let TU-22 and TU-160 under the knife, didn’t they sell all the suitable equipment abroad?
      1. Simon
        Simon April 1 2014 11: 21
        +6
        Yes, from Ukraine the S-300 still a secret amer came to the study. yes
        1. domokl
          domokl April 1 2014 11: 30
          +6
          -And then on the ruins of the old church ....
          - Excuse me, I also ruined the church? ...
          -No, it was done before you ... In the 14 century ...
          These people are funny Ukrainians. Have they not seen this before? Have they not talked to the serving guys at home for a bag of Ukrainian tea?
        2. nikcris
          nikcris April 1 2014 11: 42
          0
          S-300 sold to the states BELARUSIANS !!!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 1 2014 11: 56
            +1
            Quote: nikcris
            S-300 sold to the states BELARUSIANS !!!

            We sold ourselves to 300 states, even under Yeltsin.
    2. alex-s
      alex-s April 1 2014 10: 17
      +12
      In turn, Lopata believes that even with this technique, Ukraine can stand against Russia and its power structure.

      With such "shovels", the Ukrainian army will be left with only shovels! fool
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 April 1 2014 11: 04
        +11
        Quote: alex-s
        The Ukrainian army will be left with only shovels!

        still a bow-shoot and a spear of dope. Actually, you read and lose weight, they have Kremlin agents everywhere, and who are svidomye and broad? They already called Yarosh Putin’s agent.
        1. Nick
          Nick April 1 2014 11: 21
          +4
          Quote: ele1285
          They already called Yarosh Putin’s agent.

          Insanity grows stronger, chaos continues ...
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 April 1 2014 11: 28
            0
            Quote: Nick
            Insanity grows stronger, chaos continues ...

            this is not insanity, I don’t even know what to call it. Read the Ukrainian media, there ALL more or less well-known politicians are accused of having ties with Putin.
        2. domokl
          domokl April 1 2014 11: 31
          +3
          Quote: ele1285
          still a bow-shooter and a spear

          It will not work ... Russia raised the price of gas, which means that the plants will soon rise ... So now it’s self-serving to poke yourself ... in short, where do you get ... lol
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 April 1 2014 11: 48
            +1
            for the production of batons, spears, etc. weapons of the Maidan, factories are not needed. Enterprises for the normal are built and work, you can’t say about Maydauns.
            But I found something interesting here,

            eurokharkiv5 _ 01.04.2014 09: 19
            We now go to the Echo of Moscow and see that Avakov’s blog has been hanging on this Gazprom resource for a while. on estimated events. And on the most readable site of Ukraine - UP, Avakov is still not there. And this is already taken as a rule with Arsenal Borisovich - first to report to Moscow.
            koment with UE, Kremlin agents everywhere
        3. inkass_98
          inkass_98 April 1 2014 14: 45
          0
          Quote: ele1285
          they have Kremlin agents everywhere, and who are there svidomye and broad? They already called Yarosh Putin’s agent.

          It’s like with the Masons - at first they crawled to the top of tsarism, then they overthrew the Bolshevik Freemasons with the hands of the Bolshevik Masons, then some Bolshevik Freemasons harmed the other Bolshevik Freemasons, then the Liberal Masons overthrew the Bolshevik Freemasons, and now Putin’s Freemasons are fighting liberal . I know that you know that I know ...
          If you yourself are the enemy of normal life from laziness, foolishness, or for some other reason, but you don’t want to admit it, then Masons, Jews, Putin, Stalin and hz always appear. Who.
          "Therefore, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads" (c).
    3. Tersky
      Tersky April 1 2014 10: 21
      +43
      Another nonsense from the next maydanuty. But he did not try to analyze the reason for the collapse of the Ukrainian army?
      You’ll ride a couple of months on the Maidan and Ukraine will not stop fucking. It’s easier to jump than to work, especially in an elevator that lifts down.
      1. fif21
        fif21 April 1 2014 11: 44
        +2
        Analyze? for this, brains are needed !!! To find the extreme, that’s the task, but for this fantasy is only needed.
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    4. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 1 2014 10: 29
      +22
      Quote: johnsnz
      Shaw, is Putin to blame again?

      Of course, but who can be guilty? -That is Bardak, then "Lopata also confirmed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were being destroyed purposefully, and" volunteers from the Russian Federation "were allowed to lead the military units and even the Ministry of Defense. laughing
      Turanochka s? what
      And so always, for many centuries.
      Do not touch Svidomo, they themselves will find vorogiv and themselves knock themselves. You just don’t have to allow it because of cheap gas, soft loans, etc. "... Throw not your beads before the pigs, lest they trample it under their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces."
      1. serega.fedotov
        serega.fedotov April 1 2014 10: 37
        +17
        It is interesting if under Kiev to put a couple of inflatable tanks with RUSSIAN flags who and in which direction will run?
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 April 1 2014 10: 46
          +10
          Quote: serega.fedotov
          It is interesting if under Kiev to put a couple of inflatable tanks with RUSSIAN flags who and in which direction will run?

          This is sadism. They have no money for valerian. laughing
        2. avant-garde
          avant-garde April 1 2014 10: 53
          +15
          Quote: serega.fedotov
          It’s interesting if you put a couple of inflatable tanks with Russian flags under Kiev

          That in sharavara for all Ukrainians will be what was on Bandera’s head in this article. (on the net I got how much I really do not know, but it's cool laughing laughing laughing )
          An emergency in the city of Lviv, almost turning into another international scandal between Ukraine and Russia. Unidentified vandals once again defecated for great need on the head and appearance of the monument to the Hero of Ukraine Stepan Bandera

          In hot pursuit, the vandals could not be traced, however, the police believe that the immigrants from eastern Ukraine, or the cursed mayor’s defenders could desecrate the monument.

          The fire truck called to the scene, categorically refused to wash the feces from the face and head of Stepan Bandera. Firefighters alluded to the fact that this is not part of their functions and direct duties. In real feces, the initiators themselves are washed away by the initiators of the Freedom party, to their loud exclamations: “Glory to the heroes”.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 1 2014 11: 04
            +8
            Hands in the city .. outside and shouts of "glory to the heroes." Or maybe they depicted "Sieg Heil" with these hands?
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          3. matross
            matross April 1 2014 11: 28
            +4
            Quote: avant-garde
            feces washed away by the initiators themselves from the party Freedom

            What is the use of this false modesty? Which hands? Languages ​​licked by the heroes to shine! laughing
          4. Sars
            Sars April 1 2014 12: 29
            0
            I propose to put busts of Stepan Bender in the toilet in every public toilet!
          5. Sars
            Sars April 1 2014 12: 29
            0
            I propose to put busts of Stepan Bender in the toilet in every public toilet!
        3. Simon
          Simon April 1 2014 11: 24
          0
          More stench will come from Europeans and Americans. recourse
    5. jktu66
      jktu66 April 1 2014 10: 43
      +7
      Reasoning for shovels - Putin is to blame for everything. The ex-chief of the General Staff of Ukraine, in an attack of "bear disease", passes all the mistakes of HIS activity onto others. He is afraid to answer according to the laws of the Maidan time for the state of the Ukrainian army. I dreamed-scold Russia, everyone will forgive.
    6. AVV
      AVV April 1 2014 10: 44
      +4
      Quote: johnsnz
      Shaw, is Putin to blame again?

      Ukraine is following the path of development of the Baltic countries, and blames its miscalculations on Russia, and this can play a cruel joke with an independent !!!
      1. family tree
        family tree April 1 2014 11: 12
        +3
        Anatoly Lopata, former chief of the General Staff, and Valentin Badrak, director of the Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Research,
        According to him, these people did everything to ensure that the Ukrainian ships in the Crimea did not go out to sea, and the planes did not fly into the sky.
        Poor fellows, in the Security Service of Ukraine the CIA steers, in the Ministry of Defense of the FSB, and in the head of the Maidan, instead of the brain
    7. platitsyn70
      platitsyn70 April 1 2014 10: 53
      +3
      In Kiev, discovered another betrayal. While the country was amazed to see how the Crimea was sailing absolutely bloodless and meekly before her eyes, some officials, it turned out, helped to strengthen the military power of the "aggressor". That is - Russia. They simply continued to supply her with military products under long-concluded contracts.
      Ukrainians are not only destroying the army, but also their VPK,
    8. zeleznijdorojnik
      zeleznijdorojnik April 1 2014 10: 57
      +7
      Director of the Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Research Valentin Badrak
      The surname was confused - probably not Badrak, but a Mess.
      "Rocket technology is something that is done from scratch.
      Nope - after all, not Badrak, but Mudrak.
      Today we have enough equipment that we inherited from our grandfather, inherited from the Great Patriotic War, and this technique is very effective in defense
      Well, yes, I remember - a monument to the IS-3 on the highway to Chernihiv.
      “Even the Germans could not take our warehouses, but we transferred them safe and sound to the Russian Federation.
      What kind of warehouses did not take the Germans?
      In general, some kind of crap ... fool negative
    9. vasek-3180
      vasek-3180 April 1 2014 11: 00
      +2
      Two more madhouse clients! How already these stinking idiots got!
      1. major071
        major071 April 1 2014 11: 23
        +15
        Mess recently performed
        Said the army is a mess
        After him, Shovel repeated
        Like, not enough shovels
        Kept silent about airplanes
        Mumbled something about tanks
        Putin is to blame, said
        He was responsible for the army!
        Such a brother turn
        They have one sadness now
        If there are no troops, the country is bankrupt
        That is again to blame m.o.s.c.a.l.

        laughing drinks
        1. fif21
          fif21 April 1 2014 11: 51
          +1
          good
          Quote: major071
          Mess recently performed
          Said the army is a mess
          After him, Shovel repeated
          Like, not enough shovels
          Kept silent about airplanes
          Mumbled something about tanks
          Putin is to blame, said
          He was responsible for the army!
          Such a brother turn
          They have one sadness now
          If there are no troops, the country is bankrupt
          That is again to blame m.o.s.c.a.l.

          laughing drinks
          drinks
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    10. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal April 1 2014 11: 10
      +11
      Outside the window, rain and hail - Putin is to blame!
      The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame.
      The mistress left the bunny - guess who is guilty!
      Here comes the board at the unfortunate bull-calf, our Tanya cries loudly - Putin is nearby, not otherwise!
      the light went out, the fence fell, the motor of the car died out, a healthy tooth removed or a thief climbed into the apartment; I didn’t like the movie, you stepped in shit ... In any cataclysm, there is one explanation! Every democrat knows that Putin is to blame!
      Who yesterday in my porch the elevator sas * l to the ceiling?
      Believe me, comrades, this is Putin’s hand!
      I caught a "squirrel" drunk - this is Putin's trick!
      A pile of shit under the table is Putin's fault!
      The toilet clogged, threw gobies there, drained the water and was like that - Putin’s order!
      At night, linen is stolen, glass is smashed in our house, dancing drunk in the courtyard - this is Putin’s revolt!
      There is no escape from the villain! Matom writes on the walls, broke the bushes in the alley - this is Putin oh and oh!
      Liberala is wetting the rain - Putin laughs merrily!
      Flooded your cottage? - This is Putin, not otherwise!
      Did you find a thunderstorm along the way? - the Kremlin’s hand got it.
      Cold, wind, snow - Putin is to blame again!
      Blowing down a hurricane? - Putin is taking revenge on rams!
      Storm, tsunami, flood? - This is Putin, no doubt!
      Rain, landslide, cyclone - to blame, of course He!
      Sel, avalanche, rockfall? - clearly: Putin is to blame!
      Tornado, typhoon, earthquake - there is no escape from Putin!
    11. johnsnz
      johnsnz April 1 2014 11: 14
      +3
      I will add the words of a Ukrainian:
      01.04.2014 09: 07: 12
      Ligol
      74.125. - .--
      Hear the wakefulness and that one-on-one. Especially young. Young people come in at once. Well, you are in love, but you yourself and your father. Wash your head on your shoulders. Those who speak are grown up, they don’t mean, they stink right. Do not listen to CMI. Dumb banderlogіv, iv, hohlіv that, I am the Nazi face, iv. Є mi - Ukrainian. But to the politicians of Viriti, it’s not a warto.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 1 2014 12: 18
        0
        Quote: johnsnz
        Well, you are in love, but you yourself and your father. Wash your head on your shoulders.

        Just some wise Ukrainian "caught"!
        More of these are now in Ukraine!
    12. Simon
      Simon April 1 2014 11: 19
      +1
      Not only Putin, but also the volunteers whom Russia sent. laughing If our volunteers were sent to Ukraine, then there would be much more sense than from their mediocre generals and admirals, who did not give a damn about their soldiers and sailors. And where it is seen that the soldier would feed in the army once a day and do the repair of the barracks at his own expense. fool
    13. aleks700
      aleks700 April 1 2014 11: 33
      0
      To blame. Why aren't Russian tanks in Kharkov?
    14. WKS
      WKS April 1 2014 11: 33
      +3
      Yesterday in the Ukrainian media I read an even more interesting consideration. Allegedly, there are not enough smart people in Russia, and Putin planned to conquer all of Ukraine to make up for this. After the conquest by smart people from Ukraine, Russian state structures will be staffed. And Ukraine will be left alone fools!
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal April 1 2014 11: 44
        0
        Quote: wks
        And Ukraine will be left alone fools!


        -ahahahahah!

        Well, a fairy tale, well, a song wassat
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 1 2014 21: 31
        +1
        Quote: wks
        And Ukraine will be left alone fools!

        Apparently, fools did without Putin. Already rule! laughing
    15. avg
      avg April 1 2014 11: 37
      +2
      Quote: johnsnz
      Shaw, is Putin to blame again?

      Well, they believe it. Think up the most incredible garbage to drag Russia and Putin to it and believe. I didn’t even think that such mass psychoses happen. fool
    16. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 1 2014 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: johnsnz
      Shaw, is Putin to blame again?

      Well, if you read this ..Lopata also confirmed that the Armed Forces of Ukraine were being purposefully destroyed, and "volunteers from the Russian Federation" were allowed to head the military units and even the Ministry of Defense.
      Of course the Russians are to blame, they are not wassat
    17. dmitriygorshkov
      dmitriygorshkov April 1 2014 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: johnsnz
      Shaw, is Putin to blame again?

      No, that's worse!
      Just a few lines from the context:
      "The shovel thinks", "The shovel thinks" .......!
      Further, just humor! And another thing that amazes-If you say that your troops were created by you and were needed only as protection from an eternally drunk, unpredictable and aggressive neighbor, then how? From what such a big mind "were you allowed to lead the Ukrainian army" volunteers from Russia "!?! There are no military experts in the Hoch-ruin? Is there one trenching tool left?"
      And now you have to defend yourself with ..... what did the grandfather share with Russia after this grandfather destroyed those whom he takes as heroes ?!
      Does he even understand what he is weaving?
      And, I already decided with a fool that in Ukraine Shovels have learned to think! But no, it’s a mess! Shovels do not know how to think!
    18. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa April 1 2014 15: 08
      +1
      But as a matter of fact, he is a mo.skal, albeit with Petersburg roots.

      By the way, what’s there for the volunteers from the Russian Federation? I would like to see them, and medals could be issued.
    19. APASUS
      APASUS April 1 2014 21: 25
      +1
      Quote: johnsnz
      Shaw, Putin is again to blame

      And most importantly, Putin is even to blame for the fact that Ukraine does not produce the whole range of modern technology, the Moscow Region does not purchase it, and the Ministry of Finance .......... Putin is again steering
  2. vol46an
    vol46an April 1 2014 10: 09
    +28
    The names of the people involved in the collapse of the army are indicative - the chief of the General Staff, Anatoly LOPATA and the director of the Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament, Valentin BARDAK.
    1. Lazy
      Lazy April 1 2014 10: 21
      +6
      In the "Holodomor" about the same names were to blame. Nevertheless, as everyone knows, they were still guilty of it!
    2. Duelist
      Duelist April 1 2014 10: 37
      +5
      Of course, Russia is to blame! - Instead of feeding and warming Ukraine for free, paying the debts of the USSR, she sent "volunteers from the Russian Federation" - "These people did everything to ensure that Ukrainian ships did not go to sea in Crimea, and planes did not take to the sky "and the corn didn't grow!
      You can even name the main figures: Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Turchinov - well, in general, "preziki". Only the Cossacks were sent from the USA ...!
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  3. Alex89
    Alex89 April 1 2014 10: 10
    +7
    Well, as usual. Again, Russia is to blame.
  4. AleksPol
    AleksPol April 1 2014 10: 10
    +16
    Interesting in the army is a mess and the director of the Badrak center. And the mess is being raked by a shovel. lol
    1. Alex89
      Alex89 April 1 2014 10: 11
      +4
      Yeah, and the ex-chief of the general staff is generally Shovel!
  5. johnsnz
    johnsnz April 1 2014 10: 10
    +24
    SHOVEL from STROYBAT

    NATO generals demanded
    To the battalions of the GUS *
    Prohibit by convention shovels-
    Arsenal of construction battalion fighters.

    Western intelligence agents
    Managed a dozen three shovels
    Trade for alcohol and cigarettes
    Not very valiant soldiers.

    "Komsomolsk", coal, soviet,
    Bayonets; - various samples,
    Former in business and, of course, new ones,
    And with a large set of cuttings.

    No assembly instructions! It's durable
    It puts NATO husbands in a stupor.
    Drawings to the shovels urgently!
    How to assemble them without drawings?

    But no one - here were our racks:
    From Kaliningrad to the Kuril Islands
    Even after a free drink
    I didn’t get blueprints for spies.

    To their agents, in each of the building battalions,
    There was an offensive and simple answer:
    "If you could not assemble a shovel,
    Then you are just a man! "

    And agents that easily changed
    In Africa and Asia, the regime
    Resignation reports were submitted,
    Getting drunk with grief just "smoke".


    But now there are no construction battles in Russia.
    Like no footcloths, they say.
    Let them sleep peacefully in the NATO General Staff,
    Do not reveal to them our secret shovels.

    * ВСО - military construction detachment
  6. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 1 2014 10: 10
    +11
    This betrayal was present at the level of the president of the country, ministers and further along the chain to the commanders of units and formations, "he summed up.

    He poured all the slops, but the Russians are to blame) Here is a real general, consonant with his last name))))))))
  7. shyler
    shyler April 1 2014 10: 11
    +15
    Russian President Vladimir Putin fears a real military rebuff

    Good joke on April 1st laughing
  8. bvi1965
    bvi1965 April 1 2014 10: 11
    +5
    Again the hand of Moscow, oh ..
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 April 1 2014 10: 25
      +11
      And Shovel himself is not in the affairs of the collapse ??? And what kind of a dupe did he look as the head of the General Staff of Ukraine and deputy. Minister 1992-96 ???
      1. zeleznijdorojnik
        zeleznijdorojnik April 1 2014 11: 08
        +9
        Although I would venture to disrupt a lot of minuses, the year before the 97-98th, the Ukrainian army was still combat-ready and serious - TU-160, TU-22MZ, TU-95, TU-142 flew, the soldier was fed, etc., BUT the merits of Bardak and Shovels weren’t there - all this was pulled by former Soviet officers, many of whom would have gladly returned to Russia, but no one was waiting for them there - after the EBN brought the GSVG from Wünsdorf to a pure field, no sane person would go to Russia voluntarily + Chechnya + crime, in general 5 years APU swam, then spread upside down. request
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 1 2014 11: 59
          +4
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          Although I venture to disrupt a lot of minuses, but up to the 97-98th, the Ukrainian army was still combat-ready and serious-

          So, and then in 2000, Putin came and ruined the Ukrainian army. That's right, Putin is to blame laughing
        2. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx April 1 2014 12: 16
          +1
          Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
          Although I will venture to disrupt a lot of minuses, the year before the 97-98th, the Ukrainian army was still combat-ready and serious

          Yes, minus, in general, not at all ... request Everything was so, only there was no purposeful collapse, like these "warriors" of the Gundos. It's just that no one needs an army (an extra mouth) from the very moment of "independence". In the 90s, everyone raced everything with all their might, rowed for themselves, but the army must be supported! And what is the use for the raiders from the army? Is that the property of the army to snatch along the way. Or push the remnants of army "luxury" over the hill. Loot, of course, not for the army and not for the military-industrial complex, but for yourself, loved ones, for your pockets. At first, the same thing happened with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Security Service of Ukraine, but then the would-be leaders at least enlightened that either the security officials would feed the slegonets, or the bandits would kill them in the redistribution of what they had seized ...
          1. zeleznijdorojnik
            zeleznijdorojnik April 1 2014 13: 02
            0
            Well, the SBU was blown away even earlier - they have materiel - people - informers, informants, and if there is nothing to pay - the "reptilian" funds are empty - from such only disgrace.
  9. parazit
    parazit April 1 2014 10: 11
    +7
    as always, there are only green men around with KGB crusts and non-denominated rubles of the 1061 model ... wassat

    "Even the Germans could not take our warehouses, and we passed them in the integrity and security of the Russian Federation. This treachery was present at the level of the president of the country, ministers and further along the chain to the commanders of divisions and formations," he concluded.


    Was he rolling a barrel on a pastor and a rabbit ?! Guilty of death! am
    1. KOH
      KOH April 1 2014 10: 51
      +1
      German is a nickname in my opinion ...
  10. Deniska
    Deniska April 1 2014 10: 12
    +14
    Russian President Vladimir Putin fears a real military rebuff.


    FROM APRIL 1 citizens laughing
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx April 1 2014 12: 22
      +6
      Quote: Deniska
      FROM APRIL 1 citizens

      I support !!! Even in war there is always room for humor! good
  11. Jarserge
    Jarserge April 1 2014 10: 13
    +7
    Shovel is one of those who took an active part in the process that brought the army of Ukraine to its current state (one list of the positions he holds is worth something) This military man has always taken the position of "... what you please ..." in relation to politicians from Kiev, and now you see what "correct patriot" I sensed the money again wants to divide and take away, they say, let me know how to "reform"! Yes, with such, and the enemy is not necessary .... they themselves will take away everything in burrows and sell
  12. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 1 2014 10: 15
    +4
    Well, again, Russia is to blame. Ukrainians, as always, see Moscow’s hand in everything, they are to blame for everything. Surely, if a Ukrainian has diarrhea, then this is to blame.
  13. krasin
    krasin April 1 2014 10: 16
    +2
    They did business in an independent, now Russia is to blame for them. Full insanity!
  14. mamont5
    mamont5 April 1 2014 10: 17
    +7
    Of course, the Russians are to blame for the collapse of the Ukrainian army. And most importantly, the USSR is guilty, because could not create such indestructible aircraft that Ukraine would have had enough of them for 30-40.
  15. Makatun
    Makatun April 1 2014 10: 17
    +2
    it was not necessary, in due time, to give Georgia what at least worked and brought down. Now the tanks do not drive, and the boats do not go
  16. Alexgs
    Alexgs April 1 2014 10: 17
    +6
    Today we have enough equipment, which we inherited from our grandfather, inherited from the Great Patriotic War, and this technique is very effective in defense, "he said.


    What!?!?!?!? wassat From whom, from what?!?!?!
  17. svp67
    svp67 April 1 2014 10: 17
    +11
    For many years, the armed forces of Ukraine were purposefully destroyed, and "volunteers from Russia" were allowed to lead the Ukrainian army. Former Chief of the General Staff Anatoly Lopata and Director of the Center for Army Research, Conversion and Disarmament Valentin Badrak announced this today at a press conference.

    And I am SATISFIED ... For 23 years of independence they kept repeating to their soldiers: "Russia is an enemy, it will soon attack, but we will ..." Well, FOR THE FIRST TIME in 23 years, we really got such a chance - to show Russia ... Well, they showed it would be better not to be disgraced ... And this will be so until the inhabitants of Ukraine understand that Russia is NOT ANY enemy to them, and that it is necessary to defend and prepare for defense together with Russia and Belarus ... against a common enemy.
  18. Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol April 1 2014 10: 18
    +3
    Given the presence of such "high ranks" in the army of Ukraine (he doesn’t dare to name the officers as officers), it is not surprising that Ukraine does not have an army ...
  19. Lazy
    Lazy April 1 2014 10: 19
    +4
    Well, it's all like we had in the 90s. And even worse ... The oligarch is shorter ... Only now there is someone to blame. And the joke is that for their nearly oligarchy they are almost ready to die for it, and Putin himself is to blame for all the troubles. I'm afraid this is not being treated ...
    1. leman
      leman April 1 2014 21: 40
      0
      Only by surgery.
  20. morpogr
    morpogr April 1 2014 10: 19
    +16
    Again, everything is to blame, and especially Russia, which left Ukraine 22 years ago.
    One of the most powerful armies in the world, inherited by independent Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR, fell a victim of corruption and theft. Tens of billions of dollars from the "shadow" sale of army property settled in the pockets of politicians and generals.

    In the 1991 year, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited the most powerful military unit in Europe. It included:

    - 4 military armies;

    - 1 tank army;

    - 1 army corps;

    - 3 air defense corps;

    - 43rd missile army;

    - heavy bomber strategic aviation, etc.

    The number of troops of this group was almost 1 million people.

    The armament of this formation consisted of:

    - tanks - about 9 thousand;

    - armored vehicles - 11 thousand;

    - artillery systems - 18 thousand;

    - airplanes and helicopters - about 3900;

    - intercontinental ballistic missiles with their strategic warheads - 176 missiles;

    - separately operational-tactical and tactical nuclear warheads - 2883 units.

    In addition, in strategic military bases and warehouses, as an untouchable reserve, designed to mobilize 10 (ten!) Million people (i.e. at least 5 (five!) Fronts) in the event of an enemy attack, weapons and military equipment were stored, food, ammunition and other military equipment - according to foreign experts - at 89 (eighty nine!) billion US dollars.

    It was this inheritance that we inherited from the civil war, collectivization, famine, the Great Patriotic War and the restoration of the national economy of our grandfathers and fathers after it, and should have become a fairly reliable basis for the formation of the Armed Forces of independent Ukraine. All that was needed was to: make a complete inventory of the property and use it economically in the interests of military development in the country, in the interests of Ukraine. However, many, now screaming loudly about the country's prosperity, thought and acted differently.

    Dispose of this wealth began to people close to government. They were immediately joined by the so-called "merchants in uniform." Then, “fat cats” sucked to the created symbiosis, already openly robbing everything that was possible: the army, the people, the state. The scope of corruption in the Armed Forces of Ukraine has reached unprecedented proportions. Arms and military property were traded by everyone!
    http://argumentua.com/stati/proshchai-oruzhie-kto-i-kak-razvoroval-arsenaly-ukra
    ins
    1. polite people
      polite people April 1 2014 10: 30
      +4
      Impressive. This is what the scope of the thieves was.
    2. Manul
      Manul April 1 2014 12: 41
      +2
      Quote: morpogr
      In 1991, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited the most powerful military formation in Europe.

      Do not forget to add to this list the disbanded military schools that trained first-class specialists! Without educated and trained officers, there can be no army.
  21. Yon_Silent
    Yon_Silent April 1 2014 10: 21
    +13
    The wine is not to blame, the drinker is to blame. So it seems to be considered in normal people. And nezalezhnaya lived for 20 years according to the principle of "walk, flaw!", Consistently and purposefully selling everything of value and sawing up all that valuable that could not be unscrewed and sold again. Now they are complaining about us, they say, the enemies prevented ... Infantilism and irresponsibility in its purest form!
    What kind of "serious" weapon can a beggar and half-starved Ukrainian designer create? Who, let me know, will be behind the machines in production? And who will tinker with the product at test sites and test stands? And who will be accepted? who is in the quality control department? brave lads from "pravosekov"? or Julia will come, put things in order ..
    1. does it
      does it April 1 2014 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: Jon_ Quiet
      Who, let me know, will be behind the machines in production? And who will bother with the product at the training grounds and experimental stands?

      Not who! they need power and money, and the borders will be "protected" by NATO, and weapons and equipment
      will be imported from the usa and europe. But again! And, as always, they will be to blame.
    2. leman
      leman April 2 2014 20: 28
      0
      Quote: Jon_ Quiet
      And nezalezhnaya lived for 20 years according to the principle of "walk, flaw!", Consistently and purposefully selling everything of value and sawing up all that valuable that could not be unscrewed and sold again.

      Here you are absolutely right. They "sawed" everything according to their capabilities. Leaders for big things, hard workers for little things. In 2011, after a very long break, I visited western Ukraine. One of my relatives proudly told how he and others like him cut what was left of the enterprise at which they worked for scrap metal, because it was built by mockers. Now it's a pity to look at him. An drunken early pensioner with a pension of 1000 hryvnia. The son is a bum (no job, only his spouse feeds everyone, works as a saleswoman for consumer goods very similar in quality to what was sold in the "Discount Goods" stores in the USSR. And his favorite shopping is a sale on Wednesdays in second-hand stores
  22. Mihail177
    Mihail177 April 1 2014 10: 21
    +4
    .. Chief of the General Staff Anatoly Lopata and Director of the Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Research Valentin Badrak
    Shovel and Bardak (well, or Badrak, what a difference), what more could be expected from them smart ....
  23. Oleg Prophetic
    Oleg Prophetic April 1 2014 10: 24
    +10
    Partly right, the army was really stolen but ours, and not the Russians. That is the eternal question, why the mess, and the neighbor, why, because we never blame
  24. Not angry
    Not angry April 1 2014 10: 25
    +3
    To enter or not to enter the south-east of Ukraine? the question is not so much political or military as economic. To enter means to take on the burden of the economic development of the southeast, which means that they will improve the standard of living of Ukrainians by worsening the standard of living in Russia.
    1. Deniska
      Deniska April 1 2014 11: 00
      +2
      Strange ... I always thought that the east of Ukraine is economically formed regions! And for example "Zaporizhstal" (Europe's largest metallurgical plant) is located in eastern Ukraine. By the way, the vast expanses of black soil are also there ...

      P.C. Why not invest 2 billion. given that in a few years, revenue will go ??!
  25. SS68SS
    SS68SS April 1 2014 10: 25
    +11
    .... Recall, previously Director of the Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Research Valentin Badra said that the danger of a military invasion of Ukraine is still very high, but Russian President Vladimir Putin is afraid of a real military rebuff. ....


    Putin fears not a real military rebuff, but that ordinary Ukrainian lads will die by order of the Kiev chiefs, who have completely sold themselves to the West and the United States. Not for the homeland, but for the ambitions of these prostitutes.
  26. Eugene
    Eugene April 1 2014 10: 27
    +5
    "Missile technology is something that is done from scratch. I would give a global role to the Kiev design bureau Luch, which over the past ten years has created a whole line of precision weapons, but everything was exported."


    but why not, engineers at KB Luch should not be offered to work in the Crimea, for good salaries ...
  27. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time April 1 2014 10: 27
    +22
    Well, something like this, without emotions, everything is as before
  28. Strashila
    Strashila April 1 2014 10: 28
    +4
    Yeah ... the Russian trace, Russia sent the last Minister of Defense of Ukraine to study in the United States ... and she deliberately destroyed the Ukrainian army by sending her to Iraq and Afghanistan.
  29. polite people
    polite people April 1 2014 10: 29
    +7
    You need to steal less. It’s just that all these 23 years stupidly stole everything that lies badly, and even that which does not lie badly. Only kickbacks more had to give everyone. If I'm not right, throw a stone at me. yes
    1. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake April 1 2014 10: 43
      +4
      For such words, do not throw a stone, but pour a glass drinks
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      2. TEODOR
        TEODOR April 1 2014 14: 15
        0
        Quote: Kuvabatake
        For such words, do not throw a stone, but pour a glass drinks

        With grief.
  30. RUSS
    RUSS April 1 2014 10: 29
    +5
    In general, the result is that in Ukraine there is no army, navy or aviation, but there is a "gathering" under the sonorous name of the National Guard.
    1. Deniska
      Deniska April 1 2014 11: 03
      +2
      National Guard
      (lads for slaughter)
  31. Patriot23
    Patriot23 April 1 2014 10: 31
    +2
    I don’t think that the southeast will sit on my neck all the time) there are many necessary enterprises, including military ones) and working people ...
    Quote: Not evil
    To enter or not to enter the south-east of Ukraine? the question is not so much political or military as economic. To enter means to take on the burden of the economic development of the southeast, which means that they will improve the standard of living of Ukrainians by worsening the standard of living in Russia.
  32. Observer
    Observer April 1 2014 10: 38
    +4
    As Ostap Bender used to say: "I am an envious person, but there is nothing to envy here." It was necessary to cooperate in the economy, military support with Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and not look into NATO. Together we are strong. And amer and geyropeytsam strong Ukraine is not needed. Gut it and throw it away.
  33. HAM
    HAM April 1 2014 10: 38
    +2
    Ndaa .. If you do nothing for 23 years, but only trade in what you got, then you have to write off everything to someone, but it is convenient to always write off to your neighbor - he is always to blame. And about 15 years for "restoration", does Ukraine have them? , within a day or two, everything changes so that beyond a week it is not worth guessing. I have no doubt: there are good engineers in Zaporozhye, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, but with the Yatsenyuk, who only recognize the smell of money, nothing will work, hence the craving for Europe, Unfortunately.
  34. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 April 1 2014 10: 39
    +3
    !!! Again, Russia is to blame. This is not for you to steal buns from the table !!!
  35. survey_andry
    survey_andry April 1 2014 10: 39
    +1
    Again, Russia is to blame for everything))
  36. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN April 1 2014 10: 41
    +3
    Has Russia also organized the Maidan for you? All stole up to "I can not", and now looking for the guilty. What kind of army can a "director of the army research center" named Bardak have? fool
    1. Deniska
      Deniska April 1 2014 11: 04
      0
      But what about to destabilize the situation .... To chop off the Crimea, raise the price of gas, and in every way destroy and humiliate Ukraine. laughing
  37. Flinky
    Flinky April 1 2014 10: 41
    +1
    Putin is to blame! Halva, halva, halva ...
  38. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake April 1 2014 10: 41
    +7
    "I agree that Ukraine has the prospect of having high-precision and rocket weapons. But this is the perspective of 15 years. Today we have enough equipment that we inherited from our grandfather, inherited from the Great Patriotic War, and this technique is very effective in defense, "he said.
    What is the Great Patriotic War and grandfather? They have Bandera and Shukhevych ...
  39. Monk
    Monk April 1 2014 10: 42
    +2
    Quote: johnsnz
    Shaw, is Putin to blame again?


    Well, when there is someone to blame everything. laughing
  40. pts-m
    pts-m April 1 2014 10: 43
    +1
    According to these unfortunate commanders, it seems that they themselves do not trust themselves. They get clean and fluffy and the fault is uncle from RUSSIA. It looks like the screech of the US State Department and Eurogays. Well, they are worthy students of their patrons.
  41. Horst78
    Horst78 April 1 2014 10: 43
    +3
    For many years, the armed forces of Ukraine were purposefully destroyed, and "volunteers from Russia" were allowed to lead the Ukrainian army.
    What kind of nonsense? Responsible for the collapse of your army.
    PS And also we ate all your fat, that you had to export it.
  42. fly fishing
    fly fishing April 1 2014 10: 44
    +3
    Strange, but in 1945 we defeated the fascist army and in fact Germany was in ruins.
    But paradoxically, the Germans took several years to rebuild their country.
    Although they were in the occupation.
    It seems there is a great merit in the industriousness of the population and the correct choice of their rulers.
    The Germans do not cry or complain, they just work for the good of their country ...
  43. AleBors
    AleBors April 1 2014 10: 45
    +3
    Friends, maybe this whole article is a congratulation to everyone on April 1? I understand that the authorities in Ukraine are "the children of the captain Obvious", but I suppose that even human stupidity has a limit ... belay
    1. Vladimir73
      Vladimir73 April 1 2014 12: 05
      0
      Einstein also said:
      "I know two infinite things, the universe and human stupidity, but I'm not sure about the former."
  44. Ross
    Ross April 1 2014 10: 45
    +2
    Quote: johnsnz
    Shaw, is Putin to blame again?

    But yak! laughing
    Today in the Ukrainian society Putin is to blame for everything! I immediately recall an old joke: if there is no water in the tap, they drank water ...., pah, Putin.
    They are afraid of him, they hate him, they adore him. Ukrainians themselves write that in the next election in Ukraine, the overwhelming majority of votes would get ... - right, Putin!
    Just small children with an inferiority complex, alas.
  45. mabuta
    mabuta April 1 2014 10: 46
    +8
    First, trochas to myself, then trochies to the master brigade’s commander, all the same we’ll dump everything on the Russians. The mess is a long time ago, but it ends with a shovel.
  46. KOSMOS
    KOSMOS April 1 2014 10: 47
    +1
    Shaw, again? to blame? Let's come up with another excuse for all the troubles! The campaign is really bad with brains in Ukraine! Themselves do not master!
  47. jktu66
    jktu66 April 1 2014 10: 49
    +1
    The shovel of Presidential Square! But Mess, be the prime minister there! Glory to Ukraine! Hooray!
    1. Deniska
      Deniska April 1 2014 11: 06
      0
      Quote: jktu66
      The shovel of Presidential Square! But Mess, be the prime minister there! Salo Dropped! Hooray!
  48. Tulip
    Tulip April 1 2014 10: 49
    +1
    Mr. Badrak It would be better to look at his last name, what is the last name and the army.
  49. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y April 1 2014 10: 49
    +2
    Quote: Kuvabatake

    What is the Great Patriotic War and grandfather? They have Bandera and Shukhevych ...


    Well, that’s what remained of them ...

    Interestingly, the Ukrainian army was "torn apart" for 23 years, and the Russian army "flourished" in the same years? Oh well...
  50. tokin1959
    tokin1959 April 1 2014 10: 50
    +1
    as usual - they swear again .......deleted by moderator Apollo to blame - they don’t give life, now the army has been destroyed.