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Careful diplomacy. Will Kazakhstan be able to sit on two chairs?

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There are very different opinions on how Kazakhstan should behave in the conditions of the Russian-Ukrainian crisis. Some believe that Astana is obliged to demonstrate discontent and protest against the decisions of Moscow, others urge caution not to tease and provoke the northern neighbor, others offer to act as a mediator in resolving the conflict. It is clear that sooner or later Ak-Horde will have to make a choice. We will talk with Kazakhstani experts on foreign policy issues about which line of conduct will be the most optimal for Kazakhstan.


Sanat Kushkumbayev, Chief Researcher at KISS under the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan:

“The key points of the Kazakhstani position are indicated, all the rest are nuances”


- Kazakhstan has taken a low-key, but quite clear position. In the statement of our Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the key point is that we unequivocally support the territorial integrity of Ukraine. As you know, we have fairly good relations with this country. We will also be interested in establishing and developing a constructive dialogue with the new Ukrainian leadership.

At the same time, Kazakhstan understands and takes into account that Russia has special interests in the post-Soviet space. But this does not mean that our country agrees with the entire set of tools that Moscow uses to defend and promote its interests. As in the 2008 year, after the Russian-Georgian conflict, and now, during the Russian-Ukrainian crisis, our country has a position on fundamental issues that differs from the Russian one. Like it or not, the most important thing is that our position is clear to the Russian partners, adequately received in the world and Ukraine.

It is very important to balance the situation. It is clear what a huge role Russia plays for our country. Kazakhstan, in an effort to avoid extreme, in this case unproductive positions, is unlikely in the midst of a crisis to publicly focus attention on the differences in the views of our country and Russia. As I have already noted, the key points of the Kazakhstani position are indicated, all the rest are nuances. Of course, the Ukrainian crisis is another great lesson for our country. We must carefully and adequately draw conclusions for the near future, and most importantly - for a strategic perspective.

Askar Nursha, Head of the Center for International Studies at the Institute of World Economy and Politics at the First President’s Foundation:

“Not all will find understanding under the pretext of protecting national minorities”


“For many years, Russia has warned its Western partners and Ukraine that it will not tolerate the drift of Kiev towards the EU and NATO. In a position of confrontation during the discussion, various compromise options were discussed, including the “Finlandization” of Ukraine, which assumed the country's buffer status and the absence of armed units of the Western powers on its territory. Given the ethnic composition and political and territorial characteristics of Ukraine, experts have repeatedly predicted a high probability of a split in the country and separation of the south and south-eastern parts from it. This, in fact, is happening today, but with the active participation of Russia. The West is present in the Ukrainian political field no less actively than Russia, but it does it more skillfully and not as roughly as our northern neighbor.

In general, the situation for Kazakh diplomacy is not ordinary. Russia expects from Kazakhstan as a strategic partner of support in the Ukrainian question. Why is it necessary for the Kremlin? First, given the threat of international isolation from the West. Secondly, the support of Kazakhstan is doubly needed by Russia in connection with the plans voiced by our countries to deepen integration with the establishment of the Eurasian Economic Union, which implies a higher level of economic policy coordination. Indeed, what kind of in-depth political dialogue in the future can we talk about if the closest partners keep silent or disapprove of the Russian position on the key foreign policy issue for it today?

One can try to understand the position of Russia, given that its actions are also a reaction to the violation by the opposite side of fundamental agreements to break the deadlock, of which it is one of the guarantors. Taking the lead from the protest forces, the Ukrainian opposition and the West did not fulfill their part of the obligations, and now Russia, in righteous anger, took advantage of the situation to play it in its favor and prevent the approval of the new Ukrainian authorities, which threatens the Black Sea the fleet the prospect of expulsion from Ukrainian territory. The question is, can this justify the entry of Russian troops into the Crimea?

Disregarding Maidan and the competition between Russia and the West, then the entry of Russian armed units into Ukrainian territory is an unpleasant event for Kazakhstan. In August of the 2008 th in the Georgian-South Ossetian and Georgian-Abkhaz conflicts, the circumstances were different: then the Russian troops intervened after the outbreak of hostilities by the Georgian side. At that time, Kazakhstan, in accordance with its foreign policy guidelines, supported the territorial integrity of Georgia, guided by the principles of respect for sovereignty and territorial integrity. Now Russia is interfering in the internal Ukrainian processes in peacetime. The explanations that she intended to prevent armed clashes are unconvincing to her opponents, since Russia does not have the necessary mandate of authorized international structures and acts unilaterally.

It should be noted here that the Ukrainian events in Central Asia are much more acute, since in our region there is a more complex inter-ethnic situation, and in relations between states, with the exception of Kazakhstan, territorial disputes have not yet been resolved. In the dynamics of processes, one cannot ignore the neighborhood with China, which, at the SCO site, as its guiding start of its activities is fighting the three evil forces - separatism, extremism and terrorism. From this it follows that the attitude to sovereignty in our region is special, and the introduction of troops under the pretext of protecting national minorities will not be understood by everyone. For example, President Islam Karimov during the Osh events of 2010 of the year could also do to protect the Uzbek population in southern Kyrgyzstan, but did not do this, which earned positive feedback in the region and beyond. Violation of these principles can undermine the trust of each other among countries.

Not an empty sound for Kazakhstan and the Budapest Memorandum of the Year 1994, which formulated the guarantees of the leading powers of the world in exchange for the rejection of nuclear weapons.

On this basis, Kazakhstan had to observe restraint and remind the parties to the conflict to respect the principle of Ukraine’s sovereignty. As a strategic partner, Kazakhstan also, due to circumstances, could not but express support for Russia, which found itself in a difficult situation.

It was necessary to combine these two theses in one statement, which, in general, happened if you carefully read the speech of the President of Kazakhstan. This is the optimal line. Foreign policy moves should not fluctuate under the influence of various impulses, but should be based on firm principles and attitudes. But common sense, too, has not been canceled.

It only remains to add that Kazakhstan, like Russia, has obligations and responsibilities for ensuring regional security. We value the opinions of Russia and Ukraine and listen to them. In turn, we expect similar responsibility from our partners, both with regard to national minorities and with established international principles.

Kazbek Beysebayev, a former diplomat:

“Years of the Horse for Kazakhstan have always been difficult”


- Kazakhstan has already expressed its position, calling on the parties to solve problems peacefully. On the one hand, the Kazakh-Russian relations, of course, differ from the relations between Moscow and Kiev. We have a different legal base, both of our countries are members of the CSTO, cooperating in the defense sphere. Confirmation of this is the recent meeting of the presidents of the three countries of the Customs Union, at which they confirmed their intention to sign an agreement on the creation of a Eurasian Union as scheduled.

On the other hand, the Russian-Ukrainian conflict cannot but worry Kazakhstan. I believe that this issue was discussed at the said meeting in Moscow. If we talk about the threat, then at the last meeting in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the President, in connection with the risks associated with the withdrawal of coalition troops from Afghanistan and the militarization of the Caspian states, instructed to strengthen the groups in the southern and western direction. In general, it must be said that the Horse years for Kazakhstan (1918, 1930, 1942, 1954 ... 1990, 2002) have always been difficult, and the current one will not be an exception.

Alexander Knyazev, an expert on Central Asia and the Middle East:

“It is important to include Nazarbayev in the negotiation process as a mediator”


- I don’t see something fundamentally special: there is a huge contractual base on Kazakhstani-Russian bilateral relations, including the security sphere. By and large, Kazakhstan must support its ally, Russia, which, in fact, has been done in terms acceptable by the diplomatic framework. The President said unequivocally: Kazakhstan “as a strategic partner treats with understanding the position of Russia defending the rights of national minorities in Ukraine, as well as the interests of its security.” It’s not a matter of not “teasing” or “not provoking”; this is absolutely unacceptable formulations. The cries of odious Kazakhstani national patriots do not count, they do not express either the position of the state or the opinion of the overwhelming majority of the population.

Kazakhstan has two foreign policy partners, relations with which are fundamentally important for the present and the future of the country - these are Russia and China, which is predetermined by elementary geography, and this will not change. It is symptomatic that China also supported the position of Russia in Ukraine: for the People’s Republic of China, the same situation with the Crimea is a very important precedent that can be used to return separatist Taiwan into China’s borders.

I do not see any reasons for Kazakhstan to have the need "to demonstrate discontent and protest against the decisions of the leadership of the Russian Federation." The President of the country is Nursultan Nazarbayev. In the same context, it is very important to include the Kazakhstan leader in the negotiation process as a mediator.

Nazarbayev’s activity can also be explained by a desire to protect Kazakhstan from destabilization under the Western scenario, since his commitment to integration projects with Russia is negatively perceived in the West, primarily in the United States, and the result may be attempts to destabilize the situation in Kazakhstan, as, by the way, in Belarus . Destabilization of Kazakhstan, which would be based on internal factors, is hardly possible, at least in the foreseeable future. Therefore, at the operational-strategic meeting in the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which Nazarbayev held after consultations in Moscow with Lukashenko and Putin, it was about strengthening security structures, including army, on those border vectors that are relevant for Kazakhstan: this is not Chinese and not Russian direction.
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  1. Siberian19
    Siberian19 17 March 2014 08: 19
    +11
    A state like Kazakhstan would not exist without Russia! Therefore, the choice should be unambiguous, only with RUSSIA!
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 17 March 2014 08: 35
      +4
      Quote: Siberian19
      A state like Kazakhstan would not exist without Russia! Therefore, the choice should be unambiguous, only with RUSSIA!

      otherwise, pi n to si will not let you live in peace.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 17 March 2014 11: 31
        +9
        The first three interlocutors carried nonsense, the latter said correctly! and now in more detail:

        Sanat Kushkumbaev, In a statement by our Foreign Ministry, the key point is that we unequivocally support the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

        And why Sanat, you do not support the legally elected President Yanukovych? then the head of Kyrgyzstan, Akayev, then Bakiev can be warmed at hand, and now we support the coup? about integrity, we hypothetically imagine that in the Republic of Kazakhstan (God forbid actually) Muslim nationalists came to power, their first law is discrimination against all non-Kazakhs, a ban on their language, culture, desire, and openly declare that they will fight with the Russians. With all those who disagree, the conversation is short, arrests, executions, secretly, as the Gestapo did, or the NKVD. Well, will Sanat support this? unlikely, this is exactly what is happening in Ukraine.

        a brief excursion into history, our state was organized precisely by the separation of some tribes from the nomadic Uzbek (not to be confused with the current Uzbeks) khanate, after which they settled in Mogolistan (seven rivers), when this state gave rise to slack, our khans conquered it, then expanded the expansion to of real borders (as well as those in Russia, Orenburg, for example, or in Uzbekistan, Tashkent, yes, yes, it was the capital of our khans), Kazakhstan appeared, there should be a sanatu supporting integrity (historical?) conscientious from such a story.

        Askar Nursha, The question is, can this justify the entry of Russian troops into the Crimea?

        First officially - there was no input! Look at the statements of all official representatives and authorities of the Russian Federation on this subject. In the Crimea, the Black Sea Fleet and the Marine Corps base are officially located, which, according to official agreements, can be increased to 25 suns. No one from eastern Ukraine entered tanks. So to say this without evidence is false.

        And yes, I also believe that the "polite" are Russians =), well, if only they weren't there, there would be a Maidan in Crimea, only the nationalists would treat the protesters not like a golden eagle in Kiev, stand silently, but kill. And so the Russians helped to preserve stability, before the adoption of the referendum, by the way about it, the people of Crimea UNANIMOUSLY supported the entry into Russia, you know? not some representatives were elected (as the Nazis were chosen in Kiev), but the people, I hope Askar, understands who the people are, these are those who performed in the 86th.

        Kazbek Beisebaev, In general, it must be said that the years of the Horse for Kazakhstan (1918, 1930, 1942, 1954 ... 1990, 2002) have always been difficult, and the current one will not be an exception.

        Does the person holding the official post believe in horoscopes? how is Leonid in Sparta to the priestesses? God is in the courtyard of the 21st century, stop believing in all sorts of mystical things which have not been officially proved scientifically, or at least do not carry such nonsense from the rostrum! Hitler also believed in secret signs, occultism, you yourself know what led him to. For me, faith in the otherworldly and paranoia are similar, for me it is better to believe, for example, in prominence (flashes) in the sun, and magnetic storms because of this in the Earth’s orbit, and how it affects people, even though it is provable.

        Alexander Knyazev By and large, Kazakhstan should support its ally - Russia, which, in fact, has been done in terms that are acceptable in the diplomatic framework. The cries of the odious Kazakhstani national patriots do not count, they do not express either the position of the state or the opinion of the vast majority of the population. Kazakhstan has two foreign policy partners, relations with which are fundamentally important for the present and future of the country - this is Russia and China, which is predetermined by an elementary geography, and you can’t change it.

        Correctly said, the West and the United States pursues a tough policy in any country, only together we can defend ourselves against global oppression.
    2. dmitry_den
      dmitry_den 17 March 2014 08: 37
      +7
      but how to say ... in advisers Nazarbayev’s one of Russia's friends is Tony Blayer.

      "Kazakhstan hired Tony Blair as advisor"
      http://lenta.ru/news/2011/10/23/blair

      So what about the cloudless Russian - Kazakh friendship, not everything is so transparent
      1. Canep
        Canep 17 March 2014 09: 00
        +5
        Quote: dmitry_den
        Nazarbayev’s advisers include one of Russia's friends, Tony Blair.
        Tony Blair is paid by grandmas to lobby for the interests of Kazakhstan in the West, isn't it clear? Or do you think that the NAS is consulting with him on domestic national politics? laughing For this, the National Academy of Sciences has enough advisers.
        1. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq 17 March 2014 09: 25
          0
          Quote: Canep
          Tony Blair is paid by grandmas to lobby for the interests of Kazakhstan in the West, isn't it clear? Or do you think that the NAS is consulting with him on domestic national politics?

          Blair is paid to be like a banner along the road ...... East is a delicate matter, however ....
        2. dmitry_den
          dmitry_den 17 March 2014 11: 01
          -3
          I am not aware of your information at the expense of advisers, but the involvement of the Anglo-Saxon-Russophobe Nazarbayev is suggestive.
      2. AVV
        AVV 17 March 2014 10: 45
        0
        Russia gives everyone a clear signal that the infringement of the rights of Russians will not be tolerated !!! Around the world !!! Including in the USA !!!
      3. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 17 March 2014 11: 31
        +3
        From myself, some part of the government may not like the position of the Russian Federation in the Crimea for the simple reason that business and government are not separate from us but almost the same thing, and high-ranking officials are afraid for their assets abroad, because ours also love to run stealing everything , and for their public anti-Western statements, their master can punish a servant, it is beneficial for our ranks to serve them than to campaign for their country. Otherwise, how to call all these thefts in the country, the collapse of the army (except for two S-300 divisions, we didn’t have anything until the Russians gave 6-7 divisions, although they shoot junk, but we take pity for our new ones), the industry is lame, it works for export as raw materials, there is no support for the military housing, weapons are all old, rusty, in short say a lot. Let the aforementioned experts and our officials think about their country, not the Crimea and Russia, but how the forehead is painted and the neck of lice is eaten. I also found their foreign policy to their point of view of the United States and the Russian Federation to be honest. The United States is trying to put pressure on the Russian Federation through the Republic of Kazakhstan, and the Russian Federation says that they are Uzbek or they will come to you, you will ask me later.
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 17 March 2014 08: 38
      0
      Kazakhstan is also tainted by domestic anti-Russian politics: infringement of the rights of Russians, renaming of traditionally Russian names of cities, streets and squares, the appointment of Kazakh akims (leaders) to the Russian regions of Kazakhstan, disproportionate representation of Russian and Kazakhs in law enforcement agencies, etc.
      So, Kazakh experts know "whose cat ate the meat", and therefore justify the position of Kazakhstan and whitewash Ukraine.
      The lesson of Crimea is now for them to note and a guide to action to correct the situation in relation to the Russian population of Kazakhstan.
      1. Kazakh
        Kazakh 17 March 2014 08: 47
        +4
        Kazakhstan also messed up the renaming of traditionally Russian names of cities, streets and squares
        In those days, Leningrad Sverdlovsk sinned with all this; you can still find it is not worth focusing on this
      2. Canep
        Canep 17 March 2014 08: 50
        +6
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Kazakhstan is also tainted by domestic anti-Russian politics: infringement of the rights of Russians, renaming of traditionally Russian names of cities, streets and squares, the appointment of Kazakh akims (leaders) to the Russian regions of Kazakhstan, disproportionate representation of Russian and Kazakhs in law enforcement agencies, etc.
        I agree with this, let the NAS think about this topic. Maybe it's time to do something. There is no nationalism as such, but in the region where 80% of the Slavic population lives, there may well be 80% of Kazakh managers. Pavlodar has long wanted to rename Kireku wassat , the historical name is the village of Koryakovskaya, there is no other, that's what they come up with.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 17 March 2014 10: 35
          +5
          Quote: Canep
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Kazakhstan is also tainted by domestic anti-Russian politics: infringement of the rights of Russians, renaming of traditionally Russian names of cities, streets and squares, the appointment of Kazakh akims (leaders) to the Russian regions of Kazakhstan, disproportionate representation of Russian and Kazakhs in law enforcement agencies, etc.
          I agree with this, let the NAS think about this topic. Maybe it's time to do something. There is no nationalism as such, but in the region where 80% of the Slavic population lives, there may well be 80% of Kazakh managers. Pavlodar has long wanted to rename Kireku wassat , the historical name is the village of Koryakovskaya, there is no other, that's what they come up with.

          Today on swag watched Jeti-kun. They talked about a Russian guy from Pavlodar who studies in Omsk and teaches the local shala-Kazakhs the Kazakh language in his own way. After his return to the Republic of Kazakhstan, if he has a desire, he can calmly pursue a career in the state. bodies, as it will have the necessary base of education and multilingualism (experience will be gained in the process of work) and it will even be preferred over Kazakh people under equal conditions, as there is an unwritten rule to promote multilingual Russians (of course, it will have a growth ceiling, but there will be appointments according to the criteria of loyalty leadership, and if he gets into the pool then it can grow strongly) There were Tereshenko and Masimov who are by no means Kazakhs. And it’s silly and not productive to put to each official an interpreter in the state language. If young people want state careers, one condition is to learn the state language (moreover, they are not forbidden to speak their language, but on the contrary knowledge of two or more languages ​​is strongly encouraged, Kazakhs who know only one Kazakh language are also not accepted for state service and for some reason do not make noise at the expense of infringement). In law enforcement agencies plus army service
          1. Efrem
            Efrem 17 March 2014 14: 10
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            Dear Semurg, are not your statements about "unspoken rule to promote multilingual Russians" and about "young Russian if you want state careers learn state language"? And what about the unspoken rule, when a newly appointed official (everywhere - in government agencies, in medicine, education, science, ...), selects a team for himself not by the cut and color of the eyes, and not even by the knowledge of the state. Answer honestly, without guile - not for me, but for myself, I know the answer, I have examples - darkness, I will type in a megabyte, it will be boring to read. AND EVERYTHING FROM LIFE.
            What about the recommendation written in the PACE Charter (correct if inaccurate) on the adoption of the language of the national minority, whose share in the country's population is more than 20%, as the state? You say: well, it's in Europe. And yet, what if we apply this with us? Yes, interethnic harmony in the RK is at an acceptable level, but will it not become much higher?
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 17 March 2014 14: 33
              +3
              do you own a state language? tried to find a job in government agencies? or just collect gossip on the Internet (a whole megabyte typed laughing) about recruitment by the zhuzov principle. Well, you have an honest answer, it’s clear from your post. Until my language began to speak firmly on my feet about two state languages, I didn’t have to, until, unfortunately, we have only one language - Russian (if you do not believe, try to live speaking strictly in Kazakh, I’m sure you will get a lot of unforgettable impressions laughing, and even more so get a job and not necessarily in a state agency. After all, even a cart to push in the market will not be given without knowledge of the Russian language, and even more so they won’t be asked what kind of zhuz belong)
              1. Efrem
                Efrem 17 March 2014 20: 14
                0
                If you haven’t noticed, my examples are FROM LIFE, I write this way. 56 years is not so little, huh? But I’m not so often on the Internet, and I don’t collect gossip there .... Still, I hit the nail on the head!
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            3. Yeraz
              Yeraz 17 March 2014 16: 21
              +3
              Quote: Ephraim
              and by belonging to the clan and zhuz

              Well, power in Russia is also strongly associated with immigrants from St. Petersburg.
              This is normal.
              1. RusKaz
                RusKaz 17 March 2014 20: 38
                +1
                Quote: Yeraz
                Well, power in Russia is also strongly associated with immigrants from St. Petersburg.
                This is normal.

                it is by definition abnormal;)
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 17 March 2014 08: 55
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The lesson of Crimea is now for them to note and a guide to action to correct the situation in relation to the Russian population of Kazakhstan.
        Not quite so sure. Why is Kazakhstan's position restrained? The reason may be in the fear of repeating the scenario in one version or another they already have. Perhaps they think that if they do not openly and eagerly support Russia, then this cup will pass. No, most likely. Waiting for their adventures like that.
        And China? China is afraid. A precedent has been created with Crimea. But he has not only Taiwan, he also has Uigurs and Tibet. The world is changing.
        1. Fin
          Fin 17 March 2014 09: 20
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Why is the position of Kazakhstan restrained? The reason may be in the fear of repeating the script in one form or another they already have.

          They were silent both at the beginning of the riots and at the overthrow of Yanyk.
          Why not say that this is a coup, you must comply with the agreement on February 21 .... etc. RK will remember the Russian Federation when something threatens it.
        2. Semurg
          Semurg 17 March 2014 10: 49
          +3
          Quote: baltika-18
          Quote: vladimirZ
          The lesson of Crimea is now for them to note and a guide to action to correct the situation in relation to the Russian population of Kazakhstan.
          Not quite so sure. Why is Kazakhstan's position restrained? The reason may be in the fear of repeating the scenario in one version or another they already have. Perhaps they think that if they do not openly and eagerly support Russia, then this cup will pass. No, most likely. Waiting for their adventures like that.
          And China? China is afraid. A precedent has been created with Crimea. But he has not only Taiwan, he also has Uigurs and Tibet. The world is changing.

          States, like people, go through periods of health and illness (ups and downs) in their life cycles. And we Kazakhs think looking at a sick Ukraine today we draw our conclusions, we also look at doctors in the person of the USA and the Russian Federation who offer different methods of treating a sick Ukraine and draw the same conclusions. To those hot Russian guys who want to repeat the Crimean scenario in the northern regions of the Republic of Kazakhstan, what about an automatic machine in hand and try around in a circle in the Republic of Kazakhstan. Thank you to those who wrote about good neighborliness and good health, those who are scared by threats, what time will tell, the scenarios for the development of the situation, the sea and which one is realized, God knows (just do not forget that Ukrainians are close to you Slavic people and Western and Eastern)
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 17 March 2014 16: 49
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            States, like people, go through periods of health and illness in their life cycles.
            Not only states, Sagat. The whole world. The era of stability and peace is over. The era of redivision of the world, redrawing borders begins. The purpose of all this is to create a kind of sanitary cordon around Russia from the unstable, warring, agonizing states of the former USSR. The fascist scenario implemented in Ukraine can be realized in the Baltic States. For Transcaucasia, Central Asia and Kazakhstan, they have prepared other scenarios.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 17 March 2014 17: 09
              +2
              Is this an age? I would not call the 20th century an era of stability and peace. The danger to the RK primarily comes from the RK itself, from the domestic and foreign policies pursued by the authorities of the RK, and how the people perceive this policy. Something like that Nikolay.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 17 March 2014 18: 31
                +1
                Quote: Semurg
                I would not call the 20th century an era of stability and peace.

                Since 1945, the world has not known relatively strong shocks. And this is almost 70 years, an entire era.
                1. Semurg
                  Semurg 17 March 2014 21: 57
                  +2
                  Well, I don’t know. For me, the collapse of the USSR was a shock. And the next redistribution of the world is not considered a shock? Of course there were no rivers of blood as in the world wars, but there were no local conflicts (let alone people who died from losing their attitude in the 90s, in my village in those years, 20-30% of men died from alcohol and drugs)
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      4. Alibekulu
        17 March 2014 09: 02
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        The lesson of Crimea is now for them to note and a guide to action to correct the situation in relation to the Russian population of Kazakhstan.
        The leadership of the Republic of Kazakhstan from the very beginning, made conclusions on the Russian population of Kazakhstan, which for the most part does not recognize Kazakhstan’s statehood. Or rather, it gives the priority of the Russian to the Kazakh ...
        Here in Russia, after the 90s, liberals were cut off for whom Washington's opinion was a priority of Moscow's. So the "Russians" are wiped out from key posts in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
        So this is quite a logical position of Kazakhstan, it is dictated by the elementary instinct of self-preservation.
        Quote: Canep
        I agree with this, let NAS think about this topic. Maybe it's time to do something.
        NAS thought about this back in 1991 .. wink
        And, in general, the situation in Crimea, a big set-up for the "Russians" in K-not. On the internet, a wave of hints to the Kazakhs, both veiled and open threats, immediately went ...
        So all this will lead to a diametrically opposite result .. angry
        1. Efrem
          Efrem 17 March 2014 14: 26
          +1
          Quote: Alibekulu
          So the "Russians" are wiped out from key posts in the RK .. So this is a completely logical position of Kazakhstan, it is dictated by the elementary instinct of self-preservation.

          The fact of the matter is that they are "erased". This is instead of being guided in 1991 not by instincts, but by a deliberate, wise policy and not wiping out, but drawing closer to itself the then wary Russian population.
        2. Efrem
          Efrem 17 March 2014 16: 42
          0
          Quote: Ephraim
          Likewise, the "Russians" are wiped out from key posts in the RK ..

          The fact of the matter is that they are wiped out. And this, instead of being guided not in 1991 instinctand wisdom and foresight and not to wipe, but to bring closer to itself the then alert Russian population. Instead of 7 million. now half as many Russians. What, Kazakhs became more fun and spacious? Only honestly.
          1. Alibekulu
            17 March 2014 18: 23
            +4
            Quote: Ephraim
            bring the Russian population to the alert then.
            Then most of them openly predicted and predicts K-well the fate of Zimbabwe, and in every possible way tried and aspired to hook / hurt the Kazakhs (like "Kazakhs were taught to use the toilet"). And then, on a blue eye, he is surprised at the response of the Kazakhs fool
            Moreover, when this or that Great Russian throws himself "kakashki", it is considered normal and natural (xule - "the burden of a white man"). And when, in response, the Kazakh goes crazy, and he remembers "the great and mighty" angry Russians are so naturally insulted and stigmatized the steppe Russophobes ... laughing
            In real life, it is the Kazakhs who are wary of statements by individual Russians, both in K-not and the Russian Federation.
      5. demon184
        demon184 17 March 2014 09: 02
        +3
        Kazakhstan needs to support Russia, the US is also preparing the Maidan.
      6. diver1977
        diver1977 17 March 2014 10: 50
        +6
        I want to correct it - not only to Russian, but also to Russian-speaking. It is important. A large number of Kazakhs, unfortunately, do not speak their native language, or speak it at the household level.
        The renaming of cities does not find much support from the people, here they rather think that this is unnecessary, as they say, "money down the drain" and "the deputies have nothing to do."
        Nobody bleaches Ukraine. Fascism must be extinguished in the bud. Power in Kiev is illegitimate. The return of Crimea to Russia is the choice of the people. This is all my personal opinion. By the way, I do not know such political scientists as in the article - I have not read, and have not even heard.
    4. Canep
      Canep 17 March 2014 08: 43
      +4
      Something about the second chair in the article, not a word, Kazakhstan and Russia understand this, and with whom? Not with the Chinese. Americans are completely driven out of big business, we do not have US bases, unlike Russia and Kyrgyzstan. Where is the second chair?
      1. RusKaz
        RusKaz 17 March 2014 09: 44
        +1
        Quote: Canep
        We do not have US bases, unlike Russia

        Where is the US base in Russia ?? Think what you say! fool
        1. Canep
          Canep 17 March 2014 10: 34
          +1
          Quote: RusKaz
          Where is the US base in Russia

          In Ulyanovsk.
          1. tokin1959
            tokin1959 17 March 2014 18: 20
            0
            there are no bases in Ulyanovsk.
            The Americans wanted to arrange a transshipment point for goods from Afghanistan.
            but things didn’t go beyond conversations.
            and then they completely abandoned this venture
          2. RusKaz
            RusKaz 17 March 2014 20: 09
            0
            in Ulyanovsk there is no US base, do not invent. And even that which is, as I recall, is not used by Americans
      2. Semurg
        Semurg 17 March 2014 11: 10
        +3
        Quote: Canep
        Something about the second chair in the article, not a word, Kazakhstan and Russia understand this, and with whom? Not with the Chinese. Americans are completely driven out of big business, we do not have US bases, unlike Russia and Kyrgyzstan. Where is the second chair?

        RK has one chair on which it is the people of Kazakhstan, and the authorities need to cooperate with all states if we do not want to become someone's outpost to receive the first blows from the enemies of the outpost owners. When the Russian Federation cooperates with other states, it is considered to pursue an independent foreign policy, when it is doing the Republic of Kazakhstan, this is sitting on many chairs with tips, do not break it, this is a double standard. And often such judgments come from local Russians, then I have a question: do you really decide which citizens of which state, otherwise you are sitting in two chairs with the danger of breaking open.
        1. Canep
          Canep 17 March 2014 11: 35
          +2
          Quote: Semurg
          you already decide you are citizens of which state

          I think I will live to see when I become a citizen of the Eurasian Union. I was born and raised in the USSR and I think that the EAC is a worthy replacement for him. And I hope that Ukraine will be in our union. True, I gave the oath to Kazakhstan and so far have not regretted it. Thank God, Nazarbayev manages to maintain a balance of interests of all the peoples of Kazakhstan.
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          2. Semurg
            Semurg 17 March 2014 12: 20
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            Quote: Semurg
            you already decide you are citizens of which state

            I think I will live to see when I become a citizen of the Eurasian Union. I was born and raised in the USSR and I think that the EAC is a worthy replacement for him. And I hope that Ukraine will be in our union. True, I gave the oath to Kazakhstan and so far have not regretted it. Thank God, Nazarbayev manages to maintain a balance of interests of all the peoples of Kazakhstan.

            God knows what will happen in the future. According to the EAC, it is unlikely that one passport will come to pass, those born in the USSR leave, and the young generation that will take the helm tomorrow does not really share the views of NAS. Therefore, the National Academy of Sciences is now trying to lay the foundations of the EAC in order to get some advantages, but for now it is following the proverb "we wanted to do the best as always". To enter into an alliance with the Russian Federation now, when we have a drunken runner out of the water and in the Russian Federation in the same way, for me there is no need. With two hands for an alliance with, for example, Switzerland or Singapore (where drunk driving gives a real term and deprivation of rights for life), but our neighbors are China, Russia, Middle Asia, and I don't want to enter into a close alliance with them. Good neighborly relations are enough for today.
    5. Kuvabatake
      Kuvabatake 17 March 2014 09: 02
      0
      To begin with, Kazakhstan as a unit appeared thanks to the decree of Stalin ...
    6. diver1977
      diver1977 17 March 2014 10: 45
      +3
      Russian barbarians attacked us, built cities, factories, found minerals, brought a letter !!! Guard! They spoiled the virgin lands, they planted bread! Fiends!)))
    7. StolzSS
      StolzSS 17 March 2014 19: 30
      -1
      Well, it’s geographically obvious ...
  2. PSih2097
    PSih2097 17 March 2014 08: 20
    +11
    Careful diplomacy. Will Kazakhstan be able to sit on two chairs?

    There is a saying, "you will chase two hares - ...", I think it also applies here.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 17 March 2014 08: 32
      +6
      Quote: PSih2097
      There is a saying, "you will chase two hares -

      you will run into a moose " laughing
    2. asar
      asar 17 March 2014 08: 46
      +2
      I completely agree!
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 March 2014 08: 20
    +2
    The Kazakhs are afraid that they will have to return Northern Kazakhstan, because there, as in Crimea, they are mainly Russians.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 17 March 2014 08: 26
      +5
      Really thinking politicians understand this position of Kazakhstan, and the rest themselves know in which position to express their position.
    2. asar
      asar 17 March 2014 08: 48
      +7
      maybe we will be friends ?! let's just tell each other - hello friend !!! love
    3. Mergen
      Mergen 17 March 2014 09: 03
      +5
      Quote: Gardamir
      they will have to return North Kazakhstan

      You are either stupid or enemies. Take the Map of the Three Zhuzes and see that it is YOU who must return the northern territories to us. Novosibirsk, Omsk, Orsk where you once built fortresses. What are we afraid of you? We will not scream America with us, drown your ambitions in your own slurry. Are you our allies or enemies? Decide. You are not alone here, we can also be friends with China and send you.
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      2. Mergen
        Mergen 17 March 2014 09: 04
        +5
        Here is a map of Kazakh lands compiled by your scientist
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian 17 March 2014 09: 09
          0
          It already shows that, for example, the Semsk territory of Russia, which actually was confirmed ... yes, the facts are stubborn things ...
          1. Mergen
            Mergen 17 March 2014 09: 15
            +1
            This is a map compiled by scientists from Russia. Here is ours even before the connection with Russia.
            1. BOB48
              BOB48 17 March 2014 09: 39
              +5
              where is the pacific?
              1. RusKaz
                RusKaz 17 March 2014 09: 48
                -3
                Quote: BOB48
                where is the pacific?

                it is significantly east! : 3
            2. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
              Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 17 March 2014 10: 27
              0
              Shouldn't I remind you what happened to Rzeczpospolita? The Poles still cannot forget this, they are offended. And what do we say about this - "They carry water to the offended."
            3. Efrem
              Efrem 17 March 2014 14: 58
              0
              Actually, this is not a map of the state, but an approximate habitat of zhuzes: from all sides there are no states that still exist. So you can reach the Flood. So now - will we return everything to the Scythians, including present-day Russia? Where will we find them?
              1. kripto
                kripto 17 March 2014 20: 02
                0
                What are you arguing about when the Cossacks came to Siberia in the 16-17th centuries? All peoples east and south of the Irtysh were called Kyrgyz. What now draw a map of Great Kyrgyzstan. And if we take into account such a science as ethnology, especially from the point of view of Gumilyov’s theory, the Kazakhs as an independent and united ethnos formed in the 19-20 centuries, thanks in large part to the patronage and protection of the Russian Empire. And before that, the western and southern part of the modern territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan was a passage yard for such amateurs to rob Khiva, Kokand, and Kashgars (Dzhungars). Gentlemen teach history and preferably not according to modern textbooks.
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          3. Semurg
            Semurg 17 March 2014 11: 23
            +2
            Quote: Scandinavian
            It already shows that, for example, the Semsk territory of Russia, which actually was confirmed ... yes, the facts are stubborn things ...

            I saw maps where the Far East territory of China and Kaliningrad the territory of Germany and what? There are realities of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation with a certain border between us, and if you are not a frostbitten person, then calls for a revision of the borders will lead to blood and do you need this?
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 March 2014 09: 33
        +4
        Why are you so aggressive? Firstly, I just assumed the opinion of your rulers. Secondly, the story is a tricky thing, for what period to look. For example, a state like Ukraine until December 1917. did not have.
        The Soviet Union disintegrated along administrative borders. So claims for borders can be made for a long time.
    4. Semurg
      Semurg 17 March 2014 11: 18
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      The Kazakhs are afraid that they will have to return Northern Kazakhstan, because there, as in Crimea, they are mainly Russians.

      Kazakhs are not afraid of this and do not want a war on their land, Russians in the north of the Republic of Kazakhstan think about it the same way if they are not at all frostbitten.
      1. Efrem
        Efrem 17 March 2014 15: 00
        0
        See my answer to Gardamira above
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    6. Efrem
      Efrem 17 March 2014 14: 45
      +2
      Gardamir, you pull one event out of a sequence of events. After all, Crimea existed as part of Ukraine from the 54th year until this existence became IMPOSSIBLE due to the junta coming to power in Kiev. Answer yourself: is such a coup possible here? If so, then your fears are justified; if not, there is nothing to worry about.
      1. Walking
        Walking 17 March 2014 19: 45
        +1
        Guys let's be friends.
  4. ReifA
    ReifA 17 March 2014 08: 22
    +6
    Author, everything will be fine. Even if it’s bad, it’s still true with Russia.
  5. Unknown
    Unknown 17 March 2014 08: 22
    +3
    Oh, Kazakhs! If you throw us, then you are not friends to us! stop
    1. asar
      asar 17 March 2014 08: 50
      +3
      well no! I don’t think that the Kazakhs will do it! yet - so many years together !!!
      1. Yerlan
        Yerlan 17 March 2014 10: 14
        +3
        I agree with you. In addition, in my opinion, Russia has concluded an agreement on eternal friendship only with Kazakhstan! This, something yes!
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 17 March 2014 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: Unknown
      Oh, Kazakhs! If you throw us, then you are not friends to us! stop

      while they just threw us. First, violating the agreement on the entry of Kazakhs in the Republic of Ingushetia, where it was prescribed that local authority remains with us. Then, taking the land in favor of the state. Then he began to relocate to the selected lands of foreigners from all the outskirts of RI. Then, having arranged artificial hunger, having killed 40% of Kazakhs, etc. Well, the last kid with the collapse of the USSR. So it turns out who and to whom and what claims should roll out? But the Kazakhs are reasonable and adequate neighbors we say there was a joint story with mutual victories and defeats turned the whole page. Now there are RK and RF neighbors, let them build neighborly relations, but here the Russians begin the search for a dust bag with pritenzy.
      1. Efrem
        Efrem 17 March 2014 15: 30
        0
        I already heard something about artificial hunger, it seems, in Ukraine. In your opinion, was it specially designed for Kazakhs and Ukrainians? And they did not hear anything about the famine in the Volga region (by chance, at the same time). Pulling out certain facts from the then general history of the USSR is an unseemly occupation, I tell you.
        As for the selected lands, foreigners, etc .: tell me, is cultivated virgin land and the industrialization of Kazakhstan bad or good?
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 17 March 2014 16: 32
          0
          Quote: Ephraim
          I already heard something about artificial hunger, it seems, in Ukraine.

          Yes, a person living in the RK writes that he heard something about the famine of the 30s, but Kazakhs died, well, and ladies, like in Ukraine and the Volga region, were dying the same.
          Quote: Ephraim

          As for the selected lands, foreigners, etc .: tell me, is cultivated virgin land and the industrialization of Kazakhstan bad or good?

          Tell me, and why is your position better than the American, Australian, South American, etc., who, having killed or expelled the aborigines, then carried out virgin land raising and industrialization on their land?
          1. Efrem
            Efrem 17 March 2014 20: 43
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            Yes, a person living in the RK writes that he heard something about the famine of the 30s, but Kazakhs died, well, and ladies, like in Ukraine and the Volga region, were dying the same.

            Well, this is an ordinary ernish. If we discard my presentation, the remainder: the famine was on the territory of the USSR. With knowledge of the history of my country, including its rainy days, everything is fine with me. Only now I recall from a very recent past such a comrade Yushchenko - he was running around with the idea of ​​the Holodomor as a devil with a bag, as if Russia had arranged it especially for Ukraine. I don’t have to juggle me, I’m clearly speaking: we had one story and the troubles were the same, unless, of course, the new history of K-na does not teach otherwise.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 17 March 2014 21: 46
              +3
              My family was greatly reduced in those years, and I don’t understand your ernishness, especially since you are not a young lasso and my Kurdas, as you write above. The Kazakhs do not rush either with the idea of ​​the famine or with other things, the Russians have eternal hooks, begin to reproach the Kazakhs with virginity and industrialization (that this was all done almost for the sake of the Kazakhs), and when they start to answer that there were not only gingerbread but also whips resentment begins in a joint story (and the Kazakhs do not begin to consider mutual resentment as the first, but respond to Russian posts). Once again I will write there was a joint history of life in one state and this page of history is turned upside down.
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          2. Efrem
            Efrem 17 March 2014 21: 12
            0
            Quote: Semurg
            who having killed or banished aborigines

            In my opinion, this is overkill. No, of course, if you see such analogies - this is your full right. But I’m talking about something else: if there was nothing in the K-model of the 21st century, except the endless, untouched steppe of the 17th-century model, would such a K-n weigh in the world?
          3. Efrem
            Efrem 17 March 2014 21: 33
            -1
            Quote: Ephraim
            Yes, a person living in the RK writes that he heard something about the famine of the 30s, but Kazakhs died, well, and ladies, like in Ukraine and the Volga region, were dying the same.

            Well, this is an ordinary ernish. If we discard my presentation, the rest: the famine was on the territory of the USSR. With knowledge of the history of my country, incl. with her dark days, I have complete order. Only now I recall from a very recent past such a comrade Yushchenko - he was running around with the idea of ​​Holodomor as obsessed, as if Russia had arranged it especially for Ukraine. I don’t need to distort me, I express myself clearly: we had one story and the troubles were common, if, of course, a new one K-na’s story does not teach otherwise.
      2. tokin1959
        tokin1959 17 March 2014 17: 01
        -1
        Then, arranging artificial hunger, killing 40% of Kazakhs, etc.

        --- Russians less than that killed in 30 years?
        in the Russian provinces didn’t there be hunger?
        but collectivization?
        let's still Chinggis - Khan remember who destroyed whom then.
        Stalin began to possess complete power in 1938.
        and before that, the Jewish Bolsheviks ruled. here to them and make claims, and not to the Russians.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 17 March 2014 17: 25
          +6
          RI -SSSR-RF is a country of Russians as a state-forming people. So the Kazakhs didn’t care who was Russian-Jewish-Georgian in the Kremlin, and the famine happened after the directive from the Kremlin to seize the livestock of the Kazakhs (which is all and came from a nonsense). In the same way, now all claims in the Republic of Kazakhstan are addressed to the Kazakhs as the state-forming people of the Republic of Kazakhstan and it does not matter who is sitting in Ak-Orda. Stalin very vividly participated in collectivization and in the expulsion of peoples to Kazakhstan.
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      3. kripto
        kripto 17 March 2014 20: 07
        -2
        Eck you my friend then suffered ... Compensation for the occupation and the Holodomor do not want to present? And the collapse of the USSR is just a pearl.
  6. super-vitek
    super-vitek 17 March 2014 08: 22
    +12
    I really respect the Kazakh people !!! Nazarbayev is balancing, and he’s not trying anything shameful for the country. But he shouldn’t play too much, Ukraine’s example. You can’t force people to live among thieves and corrupt officials all the time, you can’t do deliberate curtsies towards the West !!! It can end with a social explosion, with a worse outcome and a coup !!!
    1. Mergen
      Mergen 17 March 2014 09: 06
      +9
      We don’t flirt with the West, just business. NAS always said that we have a STRATEGIC ALLIANCE in Russia! And here you read a lot of commentary and understand that are the Russians really allies for us?
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      2. Mergen
        Mergen 17 March 2014 09: 08
        +2
        Who is a friend and ally? For many, this is an empty phrase here, but they write that the allies, etc., and here their double essence is revealed.
      3. kush62
        kush62 17 March 2014 09: 59
        +1
        We don’t flirt with the West, just business. NAS always said that we have a STRATEGIC ALLIANCE in Russia! And here you read a lot of commentary and understand that are the Russians really allies for us?

        According to several reviews, you can not judge a whole country. There are hot heads from both sides. But the enemies (partners) need only this. The main thing is to throw a seed of discord.
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    3. Lindon
      Lindon 17 March 2014 21: 42
      +3
      Quote: super-vitek
      I You can’t force people to live among thieves and corrupt officials all the time, you can’t do not deliberate curtsies towards the West !!! This can end with a social explosion, with a worse outcome and a coup !!!


      Let's recall the attempts to rapprochement with the West? Who will surpass whom?
      I’m afraid Russia will lose - we won’t remember about the hunchbacked and the pyatnitsa. Take the adequate leaders of Putin and Medvedev (although Medvedev was also recorded as liberal in Libya).
      By early 2000, NATO was expanding at a steady pace. Putin met with President Bill Clinton, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, and National Security Adviser Samuel Berger and asked them a question: how would the West react if Russia expressed a desire to join NATO? According to Viktor, Putin was serious. He saw a double benefit in joining NATO: Russia would get closer to the West and, more importantly, for Moscow, it would have the opportunity to "reform" this organization during the Cold War from within. Along with the other 19 NATO members, Moscow would have a veto. Among other things, this would prevent the alliance from again taking steps that Russia objected to - like the bombing of Serbia.


      Let's talk soberly with the West we have to deal with - Russia and Kazakhstan are not DPRK !!!
      You just need to be able to defend your national interests and not blame each other.
      There are objective allies and objective competitors. The USA and Russia are competitors. Kazakhstan and Russia are allies. Kazakhstan is the soft underbelly of Russia from Astrakhan to Mongolia. Nazarbayev has always had a special love for Russia and the USSR - therefore, he is an ardent supporter of integration - Russia cannot find such a second. Yeltsin did not much favor him, but Putin appreciated the idea and as a result of the CU already 4 of the year and the Eurasian Union is already a dream come true. And we can not unite, but we can forget about the good and gnaw each other's throats and there will be something like the Baltic states and Ukraine. Well, Putin and Nazarbayev are smarter than ordinary townsfolk and will not get to a quarrel.
  7. saag
    saag 17 March 2014 08: 24
    +2
    "Not an empty phrase for Kazakhstan and the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which formulates the guarantees of the world's leading powers in exchange for renouncing nuclear weapons"
    As it turns out on the example of Ukraine, this memorandum has not been ratified by anyone, so what sound can it be for Kazakhstan
  8. mamont5
    mamont5 17 March 2014 08: 24
    +5
    Watch out. It's clear. If only they were not against.
    We will be stronger and they will be bolder.
  9. region46
    region46 17 March 2014 08: 25
    +4
    Kiev, too, tried to sit on 2 chairs, between the Customs Sluzhe and the European Union. This is what it led to.
    1. kush62
      kush62 17 March 2014 10: 01
      +2
      Quote: Kiev, too, tried to sit on 2 chairs, between the Customs Union and the European Union.

      Yeah ... they ripped it apart.
    2. diver1977
      diver1977 17 March 2014 10: 26
      +9
      Can you tell me where Kazakhstan is trying to sit on two chairs? For information: the EEC and the Eurasian Union is generally the idea of ​​Nazarbayev, who was an active opponent of the collapse of the USSR, which was destroyed by the Slavs. And for information: Kazakhstan is a member of the EEC and actively participates (read ahead in many respects) in integration processes with the Russian Federation.
      In the military sphere - the same thing. Regarding the integration of air defense systems read, there were articles.
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 17 March 2014 10: 33
        0
        In Ukraine, Kazakhstan has sided with the west. But the question is debatable - which is more important, the integrity of the state or the right of nations to self-determination? The West is wagging in both directions, based on its own interests, everything is clear here, and why Kazakhstan did not support the ally?
        1. diver1977
          diver1977 17 March 2014 10: 59
          +4
          Kazakhstan is not Russia, we need to observe state interests. We are only 16 million in such a territory. What do you expect from us? Troops send to Ukraine? We need to be careful, otherwise the next Maidan will begin to swing from us. Pumped up by grandmothers and brought out dissatisfied with what? According to the same scenario, Russia will annex the northern and eastern regions, western Kazakhstan will break away, only the south will remain, so what? Judging by business. In fact, with Russia, only Belarus and Kazakhstan. The rest consider the enemies, explicit or hidden.
  10. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 17 March 2014 08: 25
    +14
    Kazakhs are driving smart and calculating uncle. Most importantly, his successor should remain the same. And for many long years and health Nazarbayev
    1. asar
      asar 17 March 2014 08: 54
      +4
      yeah! Nazarbayev is a wise "helmsman" !!! give ALLAH to him health! and more - political wisdom!
    2. kripto
      kripto 17 March 2014 20: 11
      0
      Moreover, the uncle has such managerial experience since the days of the USSR, the old school in a word.
  11. ed65b
    ed65b 17 March 2014 08: 25
    +6
    two chairs have already ruined Pan Yanuca and Ukraine. Kazakhstan needs to be more attentive. The multi-vector approach has not led to good lately. And oligarchy, corruption and officials "zabugorniki" will finish off the country, which is a vivid example of Dill. I don't want something like this to happen in Kazakhstan. Nursultan Nazarbayev, the government and people of the Republic of Kazakhstan are wise enough not to raise Nazis on their land under whatever sauce they serve their ideology, be it Islam or the idea of ​​Turkism. the end will be one collapse of the country and blood. And one more remark. Russia did not send troops to the Crimea. IT'S TIME TO REMEMBER, they have always been there for 23 years.
    1. Mergen
      Mergen 17 March 2014 09: 11
      +10
      A plus. We do not have the same situation as in Ukraine, there were no Nazi armies like Galichin, ethnic cleansing was never carried out. NAS is wise, any Nazi idea is suppressed by the service of the National Security Committee in the bud.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 17 March 2014 09: 21
        +5
        Quote: Mergen
        A plus. We do not have the same situation as in Ukraine, there were no Nazi armies like Galichin, ethnic cleansing was never carried out. NAS is wise, any Nazi idea is suppressed by the service of the National Security Committee in the bud.

        A plus. I stand for it. we Russians and Kazakhstanis, simple working people have nothing to share. Recent events in Ukraine have clearly shown all the absurdity and horror of the new Nazis. We stay together friends, we suppress extremism and nationalism at the root, do not allow crooks and thieves to sit on our neck and do not forget that there is a law and a constitution.
        1. avt
          avt 17 March 2014 09: 54
          +7
          Quote: ed65b
          . Recent events in Ukraine have clearly shown all the absurdity and horror of the new Nazis.

          The events in Ukraine should be viewed only as the collapse of this country associated precisely with the arrival of frank, and not hiding from anyone, Nazis. For all those who are confused about the integrity of the new national states that have grown from the USSR, I want to remind you that for 23 years Russia sponsored all kinds of resources the project ,, Ukraine1991 "From gas to direct cash infusions. Everything was not enough for the Velikokor, so they set out to become the Lord of the Sea, so that they could live in the okyane-sea," but Russia should naturally be on parcels. Well, you will get a broken trough and sign. the people in Crimea said it clearly, they will say it in the East and South. With regards to Kazakhstan and reproaches that he is sitting on two chairs - this is past the cash register. Elbasy does not need any support in preventing the Ukrainian ruins, and he himself understands this very well, since he simply does not have real leverage, he is not a player in this clearing and not even a figure in the game. Well, why would he be afraid to go there? he will not be able to surpass, but puff out his cheeks in his own greatness as such an expert - “In general, the situation for Kazakh diplomacy is extraordinary. Russia expects support from Kazakhstan as a strategic partner in the Ukrainian question. Why does the Kremlin need it? " request NAN is not an errand boy to run a shuttle near his feet and up to watch what the guys say. He has his own clearing where he can turn around. Well, about "threats to the integrity of Kazakhstan" we will hear more than once. But here our Kazakh partners need to clearly understand, and we ourselves must not forget that all external influence is valid only then , when irreversible processes have already arisen inside the state, especially among the ruling class, capable of bringing down the state. It is banal - but the fact that from time to time that in 1917, that in 1991 we passed, but every time a new generation says to itself - well, this is not about us, we are already quite civilized and with higher education. "
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  12. ZU-23
    ZU-23 17 March 2014 08: 26
    +2
    Oh, they have repeatedly said that Nazarbayev supports Putin’s policy in the Crimea, so you can not grind this topic, or local liberals are dissatisfied with something in Kazakhstan there.
  13. smith7
    smith7 17 March 2014 08: 27
    0
    Do not rush to applaud the reunion with Crimea. Kazakhs behave farsightedly. A precedent with Crimea also opened up the possibility of separating the Far East and, say, Chukotka. How do you like that? And separatist trends roam there ... ((C) teacher Yoda smile ) Kazakhs are reasonably worried. A global, spontaneous redivision of the world does not bode well. In short, the pros may not outweigh the minuses in the issue of Crimea. Wait and see.
    1. muks
      muks 17 March 2014 08: 53
      +3
      Quote: smith7
      Do not rush to applaud the reunion with Crimea. Kazakhs behave farsightedly. A precedent with Crimea also opened up the possibility of separating the Far East and, say, Chukotka. How do you like that? And separatist trends roam there ... ((C) teacher Yoda) Kazakhs are reasonably worried. A global, spontaneous redivision of the world does not bode well. In short, the pros may not outweigh the minuses in the issue of Crimea. Wait and see.

      "Separation of the Far East, and, say, Chukotka" is impossible. Subjects of the Russian Federation in accordance with Art. 4 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, do not have sovereignty. Regarding "precedents" - the legal system of the Russian Federation is based on a different model, it is called Romano-Germanic. The precedents existing in international law in national legislation can be used only upon ratification of a separate treaty in each individual case. Kazakhs have something to worry about .... the situation of Russians in Kazakhstan is known!
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 17 March 2014 09: 24
      +3
      Quote: smith7
      Do not rush to applaud the reunion with Crimea. Kazakhs behave farsightedly. A precedent with Crimea also opened up the possibility of separating the Far East and, say, Chukotka. How do you like that? And separatist trends roam there ... ((C) teacher Yoda smile ) Kazakhs are reasonably worried. A global, spontaneous redivision of the world does not bode well. In short, the pros may not outweigh the minuses in the issue of Crimea. Wait and see.

      Separation is possible in a weak state and with an illegitimate government.
    3. Dimon-chik-79
      Dimon-chik-79 17 March 2014 10: 02
      +2
      We will be weak, they will take everything away from us, regardless of any precedents and rules of law. And the strong is always right, and Americosia has been demonstrating this for a decade, the USSR had the same right at that time. The rest is all snot in our cruel world.
    4. kush62
      kush62 17 March 2014 10: 12
      +1
      Quote smith7: Do not rush to applaud the reunion with Crimea.

      Yes, they were in a hurry. There are almost 800 reviews on this topic on a nearby branch. We waited a long time for this and finally came true. We can when we want.
  14. W1950
    W1950 17 March 2014 08: 27
    +4
    This is a normal dialogue among equals, unlike the amers and the EU, which resemble a pack of yard dogs, when the leader barked and the whole pack was unanimously announcing the district with his yapping.
  15. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 17 March 2014 08: 28
    +9
    After the collapse of the union, the military doctrine of Kazakhstan would be only defensive in terms of a strategic vision of the country's existence as a whole. Who can now say with confidence that the Western special services will not want to arrange the same revolution if suddenly the NAS does not have time to transfer power. Only Russia in this case will be the only guarantee of stability and partner ... Therefore, the overwhelming majority of Kazakhstan's population understands this perfectly ... Nobody wants a repeat of the Asian Maidan under the auspices of the West in Central Asia ..
  16. saag
    saag 17 March 2014 08: 28
    +4
    Quote: ed65b
    Multivectorness has not led to good recently.

    Here! Only in Kazakhstan they somehow want to sit on three chairs between Russia, the United States and China
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 17 March 2014 11: 45
      +2
      Quote: saag
      Quote: ed65b
      Multivectorness has not led to good recently.

      Here! Only in Kazakhstan they somehow want to sit on three chairs between Russia, the United States and China

      Saag. When you maintain normal relations with all your neighbors, do you consider this the same as sitting on three chairs? or in life, make friends with one neighbor against other neighbors?
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  17. Same lech
    Same lech 17 March 2014 08: 29
    +5
    When the WEST will apply the MONRO doctrine to KAZAKHSTAN ... then the leadership of KAZAKHSTAN will think about its existence ... now Nazarbayev just does not want to provoke anger from the WASHINGTON REGIONAL COMMITTEE on his head ...
    Do not forget that the contributions of KAZAKHSTAN officials are probably in the banks of the USA and SWITZERLAND, which means that the US State Department will hold them by the balls stronger than a horse’s bridle.
  18. Rus_87
    Rus_87 17 March 2014 08: 30
    +15
    I do not know what about the official position of Ak-Orda (indeed, Nazarbayev wants "both yours and ours"), but we, ordinary people of Kazakhstan, fully support Russia's actions in Ukraine and in Crimea in particular!
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 17 March 2014 08: 41
      +4
      You are clearly Russian-speaking, but there are (and there are a lot of them) those who pathologically hate Russians as well as Russia. And God grant Nazarbayev health as soon as he is not at the helm so we can see this Maidan Kazakh under his nose for 6 thousand km of open borders.
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      2. Alibekulu
        18 March 2014 07: 36
        +3
        Quote: nemec55
        but there are (and there are a lot of them) those who pathologically hate Russians as well as Russia
        You are not German, German is Gerold Belger, and you are a pashist negative
        Quote: Gerold Belger
        And, as a representative of the repressed, I emphasize that in the 1941 year, when the Germans arrived in Kazakhstan, then the Chechens, etc., there were no kinder Kazakhs.
        request
        Quote: nemec55
        WHO YOU ARE ??????
        We know who ... but do you know ?!
        Quote: romb
        Strange you are German. Honestly, it seems to me that you are more Russian than German.
        And so it is. He's German, like a ballet dancer.
        He is not a German, but a fragment of a giant project. "Soviet Union" - "scoop".
        As the saying goes, "The circus left the clowns stayed." There's a whole group of them here. Now they ascended to the Great Russians, as "Ivans who do not remember kinship" became Russified. And, therefore, they strive to be more Russian than the Russians themselves. And, to show this, they get to the bottom of the Kazakhs No. Smile also suffers from this ..
  19. Million
    Million 17 March 2014 08: 32
    -2
    but that there was a gangster seizure of power, narrow eyes did not notice ????
    1. kush62
      kush62 17 March 2014 10: 06
      +2
      quote from a million: but that there was a gangster seizure of power, narrow eyes did not notice ????

      Narrow eyes are better than no brain !!!
  20. Coffee_time
    Coffee_time 17 March 2014 08: 34
    +2
    Quote: smt7
    Do not rush to applaud the reunion with the Crimea. Kazakhs behave farsightedly. A precedent with Crimea also opened up the possibility of separating the Far East and, say, Chukotka. How do you like that? And sepejaratist tendencies roam there ... ((C) teacher Yoda smile ) Kazakhs are reasonably worried. A global, spontaneous redivision of the world does not bode well. In short, the pros may not outweigh the minuses in the issue of Crimea. Wait and see.

    They want to cut Russia for a long time, they just want to. If the situation is assessed correctly on the ground, no one will separate us
  21. Cossacks
    Cossacks 17 March 2014 08: 49
    +1
    A cautious stance is what it would be. Maybe because with 91 the number of Russians has decreased by 2 times. Or they remembered about 5 purely Russian regions or the first anti-Russian mass demonstrations of the 90s in the USSR. And imagine what will happen after Nazarbayev
    1. diver1977
      diver1977 17 March 2014 10: 34
      +4
      The number decreased because in Russia the standard of living is higher, purely economic reasons. And in the 90s there were not anti-Russian actions, but against the appointment of a Russian leader to the national republic, which was a mistake. By the way, I remind you tiredly that the USSR was destroyed by the Slavs, and we were against the collapse of the union.
      We do not have purely Russian regions, as well as purely Kazakh ones. In general - come to us, live a little, and then make yourself an opinion)
  22. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 17 March 2014 08: 50
    0
    Kazakhstan can be understood, it fell between a rock and a hard place. But the time has come to choose with whom you are proud nomads? No need to throw friends and flicker, I'm not white, I'm not red, I'm on the sidelines.
  23. from punk
    from punk 17 March 2014 08: 54
    +2
    In general, all the Central Asian rulers are doing this. And yours and ours
  24. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 17 March 2014 08: 55
    +1
    No, no, one has already tried to sit on "two chairs", now he is sitting in Rostov. Nazarbayev should take into account the experience of his Ukrainian "two-chair witness". Moreover, Kazakhstan occupies an important position between Russia and China, and the appearance of a pro-American government there is not Moscow will not allow Beijing.
  25. nemec55
    nemec55 17 March 2014 08: 57
    -4
    You know the Kazakh argument about the Russian Crimea is somehow inappropriate and simply absurd, nonsense. Who THEY are all so DISCUSSING ON THE RUSSIAN CRIMEA where the blood of the Russian soldier flowed where the cities were built by the Russian people where the Russian fleet was still under Prince Vladimir where the spirit of Russia is in every corner peninsula. WHO ARE YOU SUCH ??????
    1. diver1977
      diver1977 17 March 2014 10: 39
      +4
      It is strange to hear such words from a person with the nickname German55. Your relatives burned people in furnaces, if that. I am Kazakh and my grandfather fought, was in a concentration camp. Any person has the right to their own opinion. And do not confuse the opinions of obscure (and unknown) political scientists with the opinion of the people. By the way, I support the actions of Russia regarding the Crimea and the position on Ukraine as a whole. I even think that Crimea is an insufficient measure, Donbass and Kharkiv region should also return home if people want it. And the Nazis-on the knives. But this is my opinion, who am I to say that?
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 17 March 2014 12: 10
        -3
        Your relatives burned people in furnaces, if that

        My relatives, if anything, have taught you from the 40 years to sow plowing and working
        for which they got a kick back in the 90x with the words orys shoshka (I don’t think I need a translation) And by the way, my great-grandfather fought the same thing until 42go until the Germans began to put the army into labor.
        1. diver1977
          diver1977 17 March 2014 13: 14
          +6
          About a kick in the ass I think you are fantasizing. If there was such a fact, then such units. I had a lot of German friends, very hardworking and nice guys, I still remember their names, Ort, Walter and Lyaut. They lived very well, maintained a household, had good houses. We left in the 90s, when the opportunity arose, to Germany. Nobody drove anyone, they didn’t leave very willingly, but there was stability and the future of children there, and HERE collapse and reeling. I would have left in their place too.
          I don’t know who was kicking anyone there, if I saw such a fact, I would hang a star. Kazakh Germans were great fellows, much could be learned from them.
        2. romb
          romb 17 March 2014 17: 42
          +4
          Do not carry nonsense! I have a half-family of ethnic Germans. Four German children from the number of deportees were sheltered and raised by my father's family on the part of my father. Now one of them is our oldest in the family. And being senior among the Genghisids and enjoying the respect of others is worth a lot.
          Z.Y. Do not dishonor a great nation. Would you go to your tape, and there someone chewed for persecution.
          1. nemec55
            nemec55 17 March 2014 21: 47
            -4
            You are probably still small and know little, but God be with you. And I experienced all this in my own skin. So go yourself
            Would you go to your tape, and there someone chewed for persecution
            And also look in Kokchetav at a stop near the bus station the inscription was in that year "Russians do not leave, we need slaves." That year two weeks hung at the floor, I know for sure not one bastard did not erase it. Maybe it is still written now. erase.
            1. romb
              romb 17 March 2014 22: 34
              0
              Well, if so, why have not a single fact been confirmed so far? Since the inscription you indicated hung for two whole weeks, where is at least one photograph or video? I have heard enough of such fables in recent years and have read a lot that I no longer even react to such nonsense. If you, all the offended, listen to, it turns out that all these years Kazakhstan has literally been sealed with this kind of "requests".
              Strange you are German. Honestly, it seems to me that you are more Russian than German.
        3. Lindon
          Lindon 17 March 2014 22: 00
          +4
          Quote: nemec55
          Your relatives burned people in furnaces, if that

          My relatives, if anything, have taught you from the 40 years to sow plowing and working
          for which they got a kick back in the 90x with the words orys shoshka (I don’t think I need a translation) And by the way, my great-grandfather fought the same thing until 42go until the Germans began to put the army into labor.


          Used to have nemec55 there was another - in 40x poor Germans were forced to marry Kazakhs with a whip. The Germans were brought from the Volga region to the bare steppe without anything. Kazakhs fed and helped the repressed survive. The Germans did not come in combines and tractors - they arrived under the escort of the NKVD, exhausted and barely alive, from those who did not die on the road. The Germans survived and 800 thousand returned to Germany starting from 1989 year to 200 thousand per year. 200 thousand Germans live in Kazakhstan and consider Kazakhstan their Homeland. Germany kept scrupulous records of all repatriates resettled from Kazakhstan to Germany - I can share accurate data.
          1. nemec55
            nemec55 17 March 2014 23: 34
            -2
            in the 40s poor German women were forced to marry Kazakhs with a whip.

            Guys, I don’t want to blame someone and say that I’m so golden and right BUT I DO NOT SEPARATE WHEN I DO NOT TALK. I won’t tidy up the past but I lived in Kazakhstan I will repeat again I have Kazakh friends but as in 40s and later I don’t come up with I only know from the stories (I have cousins ​​a cross between Kazakhs and Germans) grandmothers themselves told how they got married, and survived the 90s.
  26. mountain
    mountain 17 March 2014 09: 01
    +1
    It is a pity that RESPECT and GRATITUDE, MANY COUNTRIES OF THE FORMER COMMONWEALTH UNDERSTAND ONLY AS A FORCE AND WARNINGS. Let's hope that today's events will force the former republics to conduct their policies and statements differently towards Russia.
  27. Humpty
    Humpty 17 March 2014 09: 03
    0
    So, as in Kazakhstan it is FORBIDDEN to LAUGH over the fact that the whole world is funny, therefore, that’s what ..
  28. Naum
    Naum 17 March 2014 09: 20
    +7
    Kazakhstan is the same artificially formed state as Ukraine. While we were in the Union, there were no problems. KPSS + KGB rigidly united everyone and everything, and try to say who a word against! Left alone with their own independence, many were simply not ready for it. Small-town nationalism flared up and the Russians suddenly turned out to be "occupiers" from the "elder brother" carrying the civilizing mission. For 23 years in the post-Soviet space there has been an examination for state consistency. Ukraine could not stand it and its perspective is sad. If the principle of federalism is not released, then a de facto split will take place, and then de jure. Russia should not silently watch this sad process. We must respond to the requests of our former compatriots, especially Russians, for protection from nationalists! You just have to! This defense should be objective and uncompromising. The slogan "We do not abandon our own!" must work. Do it right, and then come what may! And Kazakhstan needs to decide on "chairs", of which there are more than two.
    1. diver1977
      diver1977 17 March 2014 11: 03
      +3
      We choose a stool)))
      1. kush62
        kush62 17 March 2014 13: 35
        +1
        diver1977
        We choose a stool


        Learn from the mistakes of others.
        Our stool almost sold the whole army ...
    2. kirill110
      kirill110 17 March 2014 11: 40
      +6
      So far there is no one to defend us from, by the way, why do you think that Kazakhstan is not wealthy and has not "decided on the chairs"? Do you think there are many more presidents to whom V.V. did you fly unofficially for your birthday? And he flew to us, and this is very significant. And the fact that after the election of the President of Russia he made the first two visits to Belarus and Kazakhstan - is this not an indicator for you? These are our chairs. Look not at words, look at the actions of the leaders of states.
  29. ajhevxfyby
    ajhevxfyby 17 March 2014 09: 30
    +1
    The puppet position of the Kazakh leadership (we are not talking about Kazakhs in general) is expected, but still not pleasant! "Friend is known in trouble!!!" ))))))))))
  30. ed65b
    ed65b 17 March 2014 09: 30
    +6
    I think the elites have already concluded from what happened. But Putin’s brilliant operation to withdraw 110 billion of its liabilities from the US sovereignty and Russia redeem 30 percent of its assets in the West in the wake of a panic at an absolutely minimal rate was not noticeable, the US only sniffed yesterday laughing
    Well, isn’t it beautiful, but you say ... Uncle Vova has recorded all the moves and he’s no worse than a steam train good
  31. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 17 March 2014 09: 34
    +4
    Russians in Kazakhstan, of course, have problems, including in the part of the Russian language. True, in my opinion, they are an order of magnitude smaller than the problems that the Kazakh language has, but nevertheless they exist. And how can it be without problems. But these are our internal problems, Kazakhstan. Accordingly, we, Kazakhstanis, must solve them ourselves. And this is very important.
    And what, in fact, can happen such a terrible tomorrow, what are the Russians so persistently afraid of in Kazakhstan? Will they force them to learn the Kazakh language, they will forbid to speak Russian, will they stop hiring, will they beat Kazakh skinheads, will they be placed on a reservation? What are you talking about? Of the entire list of nationalist horrors, only learning the official language looms.
    What is Kazakh nationalism that Russians have scared each other for over twenty years? In a political sense, Kazakh nationalism is still a child who is taking its first steps. Those few who today proclaim the slogans of Kazakh nationalism can be counted on the fingers of one hand. They are out of power, they have no parties, no media, no serious organizations, no funding. They cannot gather more than 300 people at a rally! What threat of nationalism are we talking about ?!
    Creating conditions that stimulate the study of the state language for those wishing to make a career, to advance through the ranks - is this not nationalism? Conducting a focused state policy on the development of the state language, the creation of highly artistic films, plays, the national opera, books, songs is also nationalism, which does not infringe anyone, but contributes to the solution of the task.

    There are two types of nationalism. The first is when claims are presented to the AUTHORITY regarding the infringement (restriction, non-compliance) of the rights of the nation. The second is when the same claims are presented to OTHER ETHNOS. In the first case, power is declared guilty, and all negative is addressed to it, in the second - all those of a different nationality are extreme.

    In this regard, the position of Dmitry Demushkin, a fond Russian nationalist who believes that the main enemy of the Russians is Putin, who does not want to take into account the interests of Russians in Russia, but who is ready to start a war to protect the rights of Russians in Ukraine, is very indicative.
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 17 March 2014 14: 12
      +2
      I look at Duvanov, you quote, he writes the right things, but he, like the Decembrists, is not understood by his people.
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  32. nnnnnn
    nnnnnn 17 March 2014 09: 35
    +4
    That is, today in Russia there are two nationalisms: Putin's, based on xenophobia for everything else, be it Americans, Europeans, and all the "come along", and nationalism, seeing the problem of Russians in the current government, not wanting to solve the problems of Russians in Russia itself.

    It is important to understand the fundamental difference between nationalism and Nazism.

    If they try to solve the problems of their nation through infringement, restriction and non-observance of the rights of other ethnic groups - this is Nazism. But if the problems of their ethnic group are solved with the help of competent state policy oriented towards improving the life of the nation, without prejudice to the interests of other ethnic groups living nearby, this is nationalism. Reasonable, balanced and focused on maintaining socio-political stability.
    1. dmb
      dmb 17 March 2014 10: 43
      +1
      Eka you grabbed. This is me about Putin's nationalism. The fact that he is using him in the interests of the ruling group is not to go to his grandmother. But he uses internationalism just as well when he needs it. Consider Putin a nationalist when his inner circle consists of their Dvorkovichs, Tishchenko, Shoigu, Usmanovs, Chubais and Kadyrovs? Again, about the second version of "good" nationalism. Well, you would at least give an example of him.
    2. nemec55
      nemec55 17 March 2014 12: 29
      -2
      Russia has two nationalisms: it is Putin's, based on xenophobia for everything else

      Brad.
  33. ed65b
    ed65b 17 March 2014 10: 13
    +7
    Today in Russia as a result of the "Crimean trick" the peoples from the Caucasus to Magadan are united as never before. everything is forgotten and sunk into the abyss, facing the threat of Nazism. this is our Russian core and braces. facing a common threat, we become a monolith, forget about squabbles and squabbles and turn into a single organism, if you want a fist that will beat anyone who gets in our way. and talk about Russian nationalists is talk in favor of the poor, they are what we saw in Ukraine. And thank God that the people of Russia and the Russians have opened their eyes to this plague that under the flags yelling "Bandera will come to put things in order" and "Russia for the Russians." This is essentially the same thing.
  34. Aldo
    Aldo 17 March 2014 10: 34
    +6
    Russian core and staples. facing a common threat, we become a monolith, forget about squabbles and squabbles and turn into a single organism
    - Tell about this to the liberals who staged a picket in Moscow on Saturday.
    As for Kazakhstan, it will support Russia, and not because it is afraid of Russians, but because Kazakhstan is the only country that has supported and is maintaining allied relations with Russia since 1991. Nazarbayev N.A. the only President who did not want the collapse of the USSR. Unfortunately, some ura-chauvinists forget about it. Kazakhs have never been and never will be traitors, InshAllah.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 17 March 2014 11: 42
      +3
      Quote: Aldo
      tell about this to the liberals who staged a picket in Moscow on Saturday.

      you can’t tell it and you won’t explain it, because they are not Russians. it’s just foam, it has always been and will be, it’s essentially the Vlasovites in Russia, they are also Bandera’s in Ukraine.
      1. avt
        avt 17 March 2014 12: 45
        +2
        Quote: ed65b
        it's just foam

        Foam is what you are guilty of!? According to legend, Aphrodite, aka Beluna, came out of sea foam in Cyprus. And these slime is smelly, swampy with hmyrim and kikimory ..
  35. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 17 March 2014 11: 07
    -3
    Remarkable allies in Russia should be noted. Our ally, Kazakhstan has a NATO base on its territory. On the most important and fundamental issue, he takes a position - both ours and yours, that at any moment to join the winners. It is clear that the state’s policy is determined by the president and major politicians, and here we come to a situation similar to Ukrainian. Russia does not prepare for the development of events according to the Ukrainian scenario in neighboring countries. Should something like this happen in Kazakhstan, did Russia prepare pro-Russian politicians, parties and public associations that will organize and begin to fight the putsch on their own? And so around. In Belarus, the same thing is certain. Old Man is not eternal, he will leave and everything that he crushes will come to the surface, and we will get another Russophobic problem. It is necessary to prepare in advance.
    1. kirill110
      kirill110 17 March 2014 11: 26
      +4
      Let me find out where our NATO base is? Where is it? This is the same talk as about the transit base in Ulyanovsk. We do not have any situations like in Ukraine. I think there is no need to hysteria about the Maidan in Kazakhstan and Belarus. We have never had (since 91 years) events like in Moscow on Bolotnaya, we don’t have comrades from the 5th column (they simply aren’t visible), but here we know perfectly well Navalny and Nemtsov and other comrades, who sleep and see themselves on the Maidan near the Kremlin.
  36. scientist
    scientist 17 March 2014 11: 11
    0
    The article reflects an important issue. Is "multi-vector politics" possible in the modern world? Only for this article +. Although the analysis and conclusions of political scientists are one-sided and primitive. To understand what exactly is happening in Kazakhstan and to correctly extrapolate to the future, you need not only to feel everything from the inside, but also to truly love your Motherland. And to love not for money and not for ranks and positions as did Ablyazov, Aliev, Khrapunov, generals Maermanov, Asenov, Makeev and thousands of other high-ranking officials who are just waiting for their "finest hour".
    Here's a good example: There is Nazarbayev’s official position, which he voiced in a conversation with Putin.
    Kazakhstan as a strategic partner with understanding refers to the position of Russia, protecting the rights of national minorities in Ukraine, as well as the interests of its security

    This position by political scientists and Kazakh politicians is hardly mentioned, it was passed in the news feeds and was successfully forgotten. Apparently in the hope that the EU and the US will not notice. And the reasons are as follows:
    - ensuring the security of personal accounts and real estate abroad, especially its a lot of this kind among officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan, the main reason;
    - children of the Kazakhstani elite studying abroad,
    - global corruption of the highest echelons of power, which, during internships in the USA and the EU, was taught to competently launder budget money through firms of numerous relatives, as well as to take bribes through offshore and dumping contracts.
    That is why the politicians of Kazakhstan say one thing, think another, and do the third. This is such a political trick, designed for each of the modern centers of power in China, the USA, the EU and Russia to take Kazakhstan for its own, and the presence of a relatively weak and technically backward army will create the illusion of no threat to promising projects and ambitions for Kazakhstani resources and territory.
  37. scientist
    scientist 17 March 2014 11: 12
    +2
    Now Kazakhstan is promised the future as a successful mediator in the negotiations on Ukraine. Let's see that this is a gesture of recognition or an attempt to push another state into the abyss:
    1.In world practice, mediators participate in negotiations when peaceful diplomatic, political methods have exhausted themselves and the conflicting parties took up arms, for example, as it was during the war in South Ossetia, Palestine, as it is now in Syria. At the moment, neither the Crimean Armed Forces, let alone the Russian military operations are conducting. But in the rest of Ukraine, there is a real war between the Bandera government, which seized power in Kiev, and the people of southeastern Ukraine, which refuses to recognize the fascists. So who needs an intermediary between? Thus, Kazakhstan in this conflict is needed not as a mediator, but as a second in a war in which the United States wants to somehow involve all states around Russia. Those. in fact, mediation is needed between the West and Kiev. And if Russia does not interfere, and Crimea is excluded from the process, it turns out that the United States and the West offer Kazakhstan to take a position, or you are with us, or you are for us, "butter", and in fact, recognize the military aggression of Russia and win over to its side, and then along the Kyrgyz scenario with the use of neo-Nazi technology.
    3. To begin mediation negotiations, you need to clearly understand who and who is behind. It is already obvious to everyone that the Obama government and its CIA units are behind the military coup in Kiev. In my opinion, in the history of mankind, the United States has never resorted to the services of intermediaries! This state understands only power and money; other arguments in international politics do not matter to the United States. The question again arises, what is so important for Kazakhstan to speak on equal terms with the US and the EU? The answer is obvious. The goal is to pull Kazakhstan from the belt of military and political stability that China and Russia created.
  38. kirill110
    kirill110 17 March 2014 11: 18
    +5
    Quote: Aldo
    Russian core and staples. facing a common threat, we become a monolith, forget about squabbles and squabbles and turn into a single organism
    - Tell about this to the liberals who staged a picket in Moscow on Saturday.
    As for Kazakhstan, it will support Russia, and not because it is afraid of Russians, but because Kazakhstan is the only country that has supported and is maintaining allied relations with Russia since 1991. Nazarbayev N.A. the only President who did not want the collapse of the USSR. Unfortunately, some ura-chauvinists forget about it. Kazakhs have never been and never will be traitors, InshAllah.

    I am a Russian-speaking Kazakhstani. I fully support this comment. Kazakhstan and Belarus are Russia's only true allies. My mother and brother have been living in Russia since the collapse of the union, and I happened to become a citizen of Kazakhstan. I can responsibly say that Kazakhs are a very tolerant and hospitable people. I myself live in Astana, and Orthodox churches are also being built here, there is a Catholic church and a synagogue. But there are no nationalist marches here, there are no various kinds of nationalist parties, etc. Maybe there is a “kitchen” nationalism in everyday life, but I don’t feel it, although I have been living here since 98. Some are trying to add fuel to the fire by throwing information on the forums of Russia and Kazakhstan that Russia will lay claim to the northern territories of Kazakhstan. I think this is complete nonsense, Putin V.V. and the Russian leadership will never spoil relations with a predictable and loyal ally that covers the southern borders. It is worth noting that Russia donates the S-300 complexes to Kazakhstan, which speaks of great trust between the two countries. Well, the fact that our president does not directly speak about actions in Crimea, so the East is a delicate matter !!! Peace and kindness to everyone
  39. pr 627
    pr 627 17 March 2014 11: 22
    -5
    Another corrupt country on our borders.
  40. Zymran
    Zymran 17 March 2014 11: 52
    0
    wikileaks

    KAZAKHSTAN: CENTCOM CDR PETRAEUS MEETS PRESIDENT NAZARVAYEV, JANUARY 14 2009

    7. (S) General Petraeus told President Nazarbayev Kazakhstan's special relationship with Russia is not a problem for the United States. "It's not a zero-sum game for us. You can have good relations with Russia and China as well as with us." Nazarbayev said he fully agreed, adding, "I tell Russia and China we have our own resources. We are Kazakhs. We were colonized for over 500 years, first by the Golden Horde, then by the western Chinese, then by Russia. We ' ve been independent for only 17 years, and we do not want to be colonized again. We will never be 'under' Russia or China. We have enough resources and a reasonably educated population to make our own choices. We want stability, development, and cooperation. We all have to have Russia 'inside the tent.' I'd like the United States and the European Union to help with this. "


    Here, the position of the National Academy of Sciences on the issue of multi-vector policy is well reflected.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 17 March 2014 12: 14
      +1
      Quote: Zymran
      Here, the position of the National Academy of Sciences on the issue of multi-vector policy is well reflected.

      Last time I asked you a question, you didn’t answer crying

      I repeat
      Quote: Zymran
      We were colonized for over 500 years, first by the Golden Horde,

      Were we a colony of the Golden Horde?
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 17 March 2014 12: 16
        +1
        Of course not. And they were not a colony of Western China either. Here his vanity is just very clearly manifested. Like I'm the first independent ruler, blah blah blah.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 17 March 2014 12: 19
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          Here his vanity is just very clearly manifested. Like I'm the first independent ruler,

          By the way, Nazarbayev somehow practically repeated the words of Zhirinovsky that we did not have statehood laughing
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 17 March 2014 12: 26
            +2
            Well, that's a plus for him. I am the first, I built everything, I am a great elbasy ... laughing
    2. Vita_vko
      Vita_vko 17 March 2014 19: 59
      0
      Firstly, this is the position of General Petraeus, because it is he who speaks of Kazakhstan and its relations with the United States. Moreover, the position was 5 years ago, when Kazakhstan, with its combat engineer battalion, participated in the NATO operation in Iraq.
      Secondly, only Petrus could think of asking the United States on behalf of Kazakhstan for the Americans to ensure stability in us.
      Tell me at least one prosperous country where the Americans would intervene and there was stability?
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 17 March 2014 20: 32
        +1
        Quote: Vita_vko
        Tell me at least one prosperous country where the Americans would intervene and there was stability?


        Germany, Great Britain, South Korea, the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and the entire NATO bloc in general. smile

        By the way, here is the continuation of the dispatch, where the NAS speaks about the mistakes of the Western countries in relations with Russia in the 90 years

        8. (S) Nazarbayev said the West had made real mistakes after the collapse of the Soviet Union by not treating Yeltsin with respect. He said Yeltsin had once gone to the NATO-Russia Council where he had been "teased." Nazarbayev explained Russia has great, but now injured, pride. It was once a great empire, and Russian soldiers had played a large role in winning the Great Patriotic War (WW II), but the West seems to refuse to understand this. For Russia, maintained Nazarbayev, "face" is everything. Nazarbayev said he had frequently told President Medvedev that being an energy superpower is not enough; it's essential to develop international leadership with a spirit of cooperation. Nazarbayev said Medvedev was "almost there," but then the "Georgia mistake happened." Nazarbayev concluded, "If the new US administration has a wise response to Russia, I'd be glad to help" with the relationship. 9. (S) NOTE: While waiting for Nazarbayev to enter the meeting room, General Petraeus ask Foreign Policy Adviser Sarybay why Kazakhstan had moved its capital from Almaty to ASTANA 00000094 003 OF 003 Astana. Sarybay answered, "There are probably 20 different reasons people give. In fact, in the first few years of independence, several maps appeared that made our northern border unclear, and so the President 'planted the flag.'" This is the first time we are aware that a senior official has confirmed Nazarbayev moved his capital to prevent Russian nationalists from annexing the northern third of Kazakhstan, which hotheads, including some in the Duma at that time, claimed was historically part of Russia. END NOTE.
  41. siberalt
    siberalt 17 March 2014 11: 53
    -3
    I looked at the position of the Kazakh comrades at the forum. Conclusion: Nazarbayev is an intelligent leader. I live 30 km from Kazakhstan. We sell cheap Chinese clothes, soy chocolates and vodka. After independence, the Kyrgyz Republic traveled to Alma-Ata (visited there before in the Soviet Union). The impression is that there was a war there. Deserted cities, cut down for firewood and burnt power line supports, a massive exodus of Russians who were forced to abandon their homes, completely broken roads in the center of the capital, universal poverty. Meanwhile, the wise leader was building a new capital for himself. Let us recall Belovezhie, and where was the former first secretary of the Kazakhstani Communist Party when the Union was collapsing? Or eternal troubles with Baikonur? Is it really not clear that any territorial intervention of Russia (and it has always been forced) is a nail in the head of the Kazakh leadership. After all, the lands from Verny to Guryev are historically Russian. It’s hard to understand why the refusal to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia is called “a position” and not a betrayal?
    1. kirill110
      kirill110 17 March 2014 12: 03
      +5
      Alma-Ata hosted the Asian Games not so long ago, I think the burned electricity poles and abandoned housing in the southern capital - you got a little excited, I also go to Russia, look at the mono cities, it’s not very beautiful there either. We have normal roads in the center of the capital, for example, in Alma-Ata, they passed the metro (built after the collapse of the Union). About general poverty - Kazakhstan per capita income goes right after Russia, for example, housing is like in Novosibirsk, and what is better like in St. Petersburg. Stop you already panic to bring about a terrible and unpredictable Kazakhstan.
    2. Zymran
      Zymran 17 March 2014 12: 08
      +1
      Quote: siberalt
      At this time, the wise leader was building himself a new capital.


      By the way, a very perspicacious and far-sighted decision, with all my skepticism towards NAS.
    3. diver1977
      diver1977 17 March 2014 12: 38
      +5
      Complete and unconditional nonsense. Does the US State Department pay you in cash or transfer money to a card?
    4. Lindon
      Lindon 17 March 2014 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: siberalt
      Recall Bialowieza, and where was the former first secretary of the Kazakhstan Communist Party, when the Union collapsed?


      The provocateur is immediately visible. You have errors in the training manual. In Bialowieza there were Shushkevich, Kravchuk and Yeltsin. Nazarbayev was not there. Nazarbayev immediately made an attempt to save and gathered everyone in Almaty, where they signed the Almaty Declaration on the creation of the CIS. In 1994 at MSU, he proposed the creation of a vehicle modeled on the EU, but only Putin heard it after 10 years.
  42. Isk1984
    Isk1984 17 March 2014 11: 54
    +2
    Yes, we are just reaping the fruits of betrayal 91, here in my Orenburg region, maybe at the level of politicians, they speak of independence and so on, but in everyday life there aren’t any particular prejudices and everyone has long been saying something; they have to object back to their common Motherland, there are no national graters, but it rather depends on the upbringing of a person, and so in the south of the region or in Uralsk, when Aktibinsk, everyone says the USSR was the best that was, and in many ways we have been mentally mentally for a long time ... that we forgive vodka together, yeah, woman ... ... in general, politicians clearly need Independent and eternal Kazakhstan, so that it’s more convenient to put money in your pockets, and for an ordinary person, you need order and one whole powerful state ...
  43. Clegg
    Clegg 17 March 2014 12: 25
    +1


    Duvanov about the alliance with Russia
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 17 March 2014 22: 15
      +1
      Duvanov is a liberal. In Russia, these are often seen on Rain and Echo of Moscow.
  44. Val roman
    Val roman 17 March 2014 13: 33
    0
    Under the nickname "Million" is a specific provocateur!
  45. Val roman
    Val roman 17 March 2014 13: 42
    0
    In our opinion, the article does not quite correctly reflect the situation, especially with regard to the arrangement of accents.
  46. ed65b
    ed65b 17 March 2014 15: 47
    +2
    And the squabble still became less, thanks to the Maidan for our unity. drinks
  47. Efrem
    Efrem 17 March 2014 16: 15
    -1
    All the talk about "multi-vector", about "sitting on two chairs", etc. I can say that now Russia is trying to make a political breakthrough (and so far successfully). If she succeeds, if she makes the Americans talk to her in YOU, and if after that she makes an economic breakthrough, and if she can thoroughly crush (completely impossible) corruption, then all this multi-vector approach, two chairs, all sorts of wisdom and cunning will go to nowhere. Everything in the world is complicated and at the same time simple: the strong are loved and respected! Then Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and many "from the former" will catch up with it. Pull up, they won't even notice how! (Read about the Finns: they are starting to remember about autonomy within the Empire)
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 17 March 2014 22: 39
      +3
      Quote: Ephraim
      All the talk about "multi-vector", about "sitting on two chairs", etc. can tell


      Grown man, at 56 you have kitchen conversations. Putin and Nazarbayev are successful politicians who conduct foreign policy in the interests of their countries. In 2000, the young Putin made an offer to the United States to join Russia in NATO, but the West upset him with the continuation of the Cold War. Putin, Nazarbayev and Lukashenko are building the Eurasian Union, which the United States has already called "the revival of the USSR."
      Multiple vectoring according to Nazarbayev is the CSTO, the CU and the Eurasian Union + the availability of alternatives for the export of raw materials. Russia has always relied on the West. Kazakhstan also relied on China - the result when Russia began to close the European market - Russian oil went through Kazakhstan to China.
      1. Efrem
        Efrem 18 March 2014 10: 00
        -1
        I am right, not because I feel like it, but because the world is so arranged ... What does the kitchen have to do with it?
  48. Pukanpein
    Pukanpein 17 March 2014 22: 53
    0
    The USSR also wanted to join NATO.
    Silly but fact-West, since the signing of the act of surrender was afraid of the USSR. They were afraid to ruin the war — it fell apart from inside. But now the problem is the collapse of the European Union because of the inability to provide the economy of so many countries.
    Ukraine's competitor in Poland for the production of agricultural products. The revolution led to the decline of the entire economy, and European integration will lead to the extinction of the entire agricultural sector in Ukraine.
    Kazakhstan is also waiting, if it supports the West.
  49. Pukanpein
    Pukanpein 17 March 2014 22: 55
    +1
    Competitors are eliminated - the USA will be eliminated by the Russian Federation, and Poland by Ukraine. That was the plan.
    It's just that he is not successful, and we will show the West the size and depth of the place where they should be)
  50. Lindon
    Lindon 19 March 2014 07: 42
    0
    Kazakhstan recognized the referendum and the annexation of Crimea.

    “Kazakhstan took the referendum in Crimea as a free expression of the will of the population of this autonomous republic and are sympathetic to the decision of the Russian Federation in the current conditions,” the statement of the foreign ministry said in a statement, ITAR-TASS reports.

    The Foreign Ministry also emphasized Kazakhstan’s commitment to the fundamental principles of international law in accordance with the UN Charter.
    http://vz.ru/news/2014/3/18/677812.html

    Here is the official answer to all the evil-spirited in relations between Russia and Kazakhstan.
    Rub down paid trolls and agents of the West.