Military Review

Mat in two moves. Why do we have to knock out Bandera

269
As we remember, yesterday President Yanukovych declared the illegitimacy of the government, which operates under the control of armed militants. Next we have a curious legal incident.


Yanukovych’s own powers are not contested, since, according to Ukrainian legislation, he must put his signature on the Rada’s decision on his own resignation. Not to mention that the Rada, which stamps the law surrounded by thugs with bats, is not a legitimate parliament.

In turn, the Crimea announced the recognition of Yanukovych as president. This means that the legitimate authority of Ukraine controls only a part of the country, and its integrity is threatened.

Further, Russia acts as a guarantor of the integrity of Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum of the Year 1994. In fact, this memorandum now obliges Russia to throw out Bandera from Kiev and eliminate the threat of a split in Ukraine. The memorandum of shackles turned into weapon. Sometimes you just wonder how helpful politicians are in the martial arts.

Thus, we already know the answer to today's request from the “government” Yatsenyuk about Russia's intentions to fulfill obligations, that is, to give money. There is no money for the Kiev junta. They were promised to Ukraine and will go to those regions that confirm their loyalty to legitimate authority. Crimea, for example, recognized Yanukovich as the acting president, causing many to be perplexed. Although what to be surprised? Good or bad, he remains president and who will be next will be shown elections in 2015. But this recognition kept the Crimea in the legal field of Ukraine, after which he received financial assistance.

At the same time, the junta itself has no money, and after the cancellation of pensions and benefits payments, information about the plundering of the deposit insurance fund by the new government is already coming. In fact, this means the death of the entire banking system of Ukraine and at the same time the complete impoverishment of its population, whose contributions can now disappear without a trace. Before the default country left half a step.

It is clear that in this situation only those regions that fail to trust the coup will get a chance to stay afloat. But here there is an obstacle that Russia itself cannot overcome.

Colleague Marakhovsky is right, we lost the war for the minds. This is a medical fact. It is impossible to ignore the shaft of messages from people who communicate with their relatives and friends in Ukraine and are horrified by how much people have washed their brains. And it's not about zapadentsev, but about normal, previously adequate people.

The worst thing is that with these Ukrainians it becomes impossible to speak the language of facts. They cannot be explained that the association agreement with the EU is deadly for the economy or that Russia is up to the letter to comply with international agreements, because they simply refuse to look and think. Instead, a thick, emotionally charged fog reigns in our heads. How is it possible to do this with the whole country, even if with the complete long-term control of the oligarchs over the mass media? This topic at the intersection of media history and psychiatry is still waiting for its researcher.

But now, unfortunately, it is time for us to stop trying to do good to Ukraine. Infection must devour itself. It’s impossible to pull Ukrainians out of sweet dreams of Europe, except for rough reality. In any other case, they will hang all the dogs on their rescuers and will never forgive them.

Therefore, no one will release the captured regions by force, but only at the request of a population that has become tired of lawlessness and poverty, who has come to its senses and decisively. Wait a short time. The West once again does not give money, but the spring flood is on its nose and you have to buy food for something.

So the next move is for the Ukrainians. The question of personal courage is now being addressed - whether Ukrainians are able to take power away from the traitors who recognized the insurrection and declare national self-government. This is a test for adulthood and civic consciousness of all the polls - first of all, the men whose weapons are at home, and the policemen in the cordon, who protect from the people those who should be arrested.

And only when the administrative buildings, following the example of the maydanschik, will be taken by the people, and the flags of the regions instead of the flags of Ukraine begin to fly over them, will Russia take the next step. Only those who are truly motivated and ready to save themselves are worthy of help, and the sooner people gather their strength, the less will be affected by the crisis.

If the South-East will eventually be released by pensioners left without pensions, this will fall on its inhabitants with indelible disgrace.
Author:
Originator:
http://www.odnako.org/blogs/mat-v-dva-hoda-pochemu-mi-obyazani-vibit-banderovcev/
269 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Hs487
    Hs487 4 March 2014 11: 05
    +100
    Still, I.V. Stalin was a very humane person - he did not burn the Nazi ulcer to the end with a hot iron. But it was necessary.
    1. jjj
      jjj 4 March 2014 12: 35
      +42
      So the Ukrainians really believed that they were God's chosen people. Time, devastation and hunger will bring to life
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 4 March 2014 12: 36
        +23
        doesn’t reach through the head, will reach through the ass, the pope said, taking out the soldier’s belt ...... soon retribution will reach the West ninja
        1. nokki
          nokki 4 March 2014 13: 03
          +6
          The behavior of zombie Ukrainians reminded me of an old joke:

          A man walks up to the elevator and reaches to press the call button. A passing boy warns him:
          "Uncle! Don't do this!" There is an empty mine! The elevator is broken!
          Man:
          - That's all, boy, huh ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 4 March 2014 13: 13
            +18
            All deputies, officials, mass media of Donbass (Lugansk, Donetsk region) are fully, and part of the deputies, officials and law enforcement authorities of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya regions are subordinate to 1-2, from the strength of 4 people, such as Rinat Akhmetov, or maybe someone who is behind him. These people chose the side of those who seized power in Kiev. Until they change their minds, or until local deputies / officials obey them, an independent struggle without the organization and management of an outside powerful force (Russia) against the Western Nazis / fascists who seized Kiev and power in the country will not be successful.

            Russia threatens to launch its emission center.

            This news and, most importantly, its consequences for the dollar, for the United States and its proteges, must be brought to each deputy of local councils in the South-East of Ukraine, to all officials and law enforcement officers.

            And most importantly, to explain the consequences of these 2-3-4 people who control all of the Southeast; to interpret the consequences personally for them.
            1. Borz
              Borz 4 March 2014 13: 23
              +49
              Here is the TOP US threat:
              Russia, if sanctions are imposed by the US Senate, will be forced to withdraw into other currencies, create its settlement and payment system, Sergey Glazyev, presidential adviser, said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Tuesday, 4 in March.

              Earlier, the chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on European Affairs, Chris Murphy, told reporters that the Senate could impose sanctions against Russia in connection with the situation in Ukraine. This may include, in particular, freezing the assets of Russian state institutions and private investors, as well as visa restrictions for Russian citizens.

              “We will be forced to go to other currencies, to create our own settlement and payment system. We have excellent trade and economic relations with our partners in the East and in the South, and we will find a way to not only get rid of our financial dependence on the United States, but also get out of these sanctions with great benefit for ourselves. An attempt to announce sanctions against the Russian Federation will result in a collapse for the US financial system, which will entail the cessation of US dominance in the global financial system, ”said Glazyev.
              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 4 March 2014 13: 27
                +18
                I think it will definitely be.

                But then, when this will be the most favorable and appropriate moment. Perhaps he has already arrived and only an excuse is needed. And maybe threats to carry out this step can still receive dividends.
                1. witch
                  witch 4 March 2014 18: 25
                  0
                  Well, I think America’s leaky-backs will not allow the collapse of the system. This homosexual will simply unleash the war, despite the global one. And calm down licking when she gets a little shovel
              2. Sid.74
                Sid.74 4 March 2014 13: 32
                +11
                Quote: Borz
                Russia, if sanctions are imposed by the US Senate, will be forced to withdraw into other currencies, create its settlement and payment system, Sergey Glazyev, presidential adviser, said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Tuesday, 4 in March.


                So the floor is a holiday like that !!! We are leaving to Eureka and Yuan, we go to work the ruble to the yuan and to the euro for rubles !!! laughing
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 4 March 2014 16: 43
                  +3
                  Watch this video ALL !!!!

                  To know, to have an idea, with whom and with what the Russian leadership and the people of Ukraine faced in Ukraine. This person controls 100% of the Dnipropetrovsk region: deputies, officials, law enforcement officers, judges. And also the leadership of Kharkov and the region. (he, or similar oligarchs control other regions of Ukraine) He openly says what is being done. He says that the Russian stock market and the ruble were collapsed artificially and deliberately to put pressure on the country's leadership. He says who he considers Putin, what they want to turn Ukraine into, and that there is a hidden war going on against Russia.
                  Please share this video. For "the language will bring to Kiev."
                  1. illarion
                    illarion 4 March 2014 16: 56
                    +2
                    Then his jar in Moscow began to have problems
                  2. melan
                    melan 4 March 2014 16: 57
                    +1
                    Corporation "Ukraine"
                  3. tank64rus
                    tank64rus 4 March 2014 17: 03
                    +5
                    I looked through the interview. The touching unity of the Jewish oligarch with Bandera. And it’s more expensive to insult GDP. However, in my opinion there are inadequate people in power. Even in the US Congress they are angry with Putin but respected. Oh, you are Ukrainians whom you brought to power.
                  4. Oleg Volkov
                    Oleg Volkov 4 March 2014 19: 39
                    +2
                    jew face
                  5. orsker
                    orsker 4 March 2014 23: 54
                    +2
                    Here is the bastard! Bad finish ...
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev 4 March 2014 17: 53
                  -8
                  Well, that's great! Let's get rid of green candy wrappers and strengthen friendship with the dragon. After we become the strategic rear of China in its fight against the United States. And when the main gendarme of the Galaxy falls, we turn around and finish off the Chinese.
              3. shatu
                shatu 4 March 2014 13: 40
                +11
                The Kremlin dissociates itself from Glazyev’s words, saying that this is his personal opinion.
                politobzor.net/show-14412-kreml-otkazalsya-
                podderzhat-ugrozy-glazeva-v-adres-ssha.html

                But this does not mean anything, maneuvers on the information front have begun)
              4. PValery53
                PValery53 4 March 2014 13: 45
                +6
                Wisely printed S. Glazyev! - Now - from words - to the point, without waiting for sanctions !!
              5. melan
                melan 4 March 2014 13: 51
                +7
                I believe Glazyev! He will not flog nonsense.
                1. Aleksey_K
                  Aleksey_K 4 March 2014 15: 06
                  -6
                  But not Glazyev leads the country. Lead by those with large accounts Abroad. By the way, our foreign exchange reserve fund is also Abroad.
                  1. seller trucks
                    seller trucks 4 March 2014 15: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: Алексей_К
                    foreign exchange reserve fund


                    we don’t have such a fund, what do you mean? we have a foreign exchange reserve and stabilization fund.

                    most likely you mean the stabilization fund, and this:

                    -by acquiring at the expense of the funds of the Fund foreign currency in US dollars, euros and pounds sterling of the United Kingdom and placing it on accounts accounting for the funds of the Stabilization Fund in foreign currency with the Bank of Russia. The Central Bank pays interest for using the funds established by the bank account agreement;
                    -by acquiring foreign debt instruments at the expense of the Fund


                    Glazyev, in this case, meant US Treasury bonds

                    we do not have government money in accounts with American banks
                  2. illarion
                    illarion 4 March 2014 16: 59
                    +2
                    After all, they have already hinted that we have the same amount abroad that they owe to them. They freeze, we tell them that now they are even, shah, nobody owes anything to anyone. And they stay with a bunch of paper dollars, and we have factories and no debts
              6. elmi
                elmi 4 March 2014 13: 55
                +15
                Quote: Borz
                Russia, if sanctions are imposed by the US Senate, will be forced to withdraw into other currencies, create its settlement and payment system, Sergey Glazyev, presidential adviser, said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Tuesday, 4 in March.

                Earlier, the chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on European Affairs, Chris Murphy, told reporters that the Senate could impose sanctions against Russia in connection with the situation in Ukraine. This may include, in particular, freezing the assets of Russian state institutions and private investors, as well as visa restrictions for Russian citizens.

                “We will be forced to go to other currencies, to create our own settlement and payment system. We have excellent trade and economic relations with our partners in the East and in the South, and we will find a way to not only get rid of our financial dependence on the United States, but also get out of these sanctions with great benefit for ourselves. An attempt to announce sanctions against the Russian Federation will result in a collapse for the US financial system, which will entail the cessation of US dominance in the global financial system, ”said Glazyev.

                I completely agree +++ It is a pity that Glazyev was not appointed head of the Central Bank of Russia. Even if you follow the statements, comments of the majority of our government, you begin to understand that there are still a lot of liberals, well, I don’t see what they have brought useful to Russia in recent times. One can only wonder why they are not being removed? is the influence of their masters-west really so strong? Although, no matter how scolded Medvedev, he ventured to defend South Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008, and Putin’s step in supporting the Russian-speaking population in Ukraine generally fits his story. If he could manage to include Crimea over time, also wishing the regions of Ukraine to be part of Russia, then he would be equated with the rulers-gatherers of the Russian land!
                1. 16112014nk
                  16112014nk 4 March 2014 16: 35
                  +3
                  Medvedev defended Abkhazia? If it weren’t for the chief of the General Staff, General Baluevsky, Medvedev would have shamed Abkhazia, for which the general was then fired.
                  1. illarion
                    illarion 4 March 2014 17: 02
                    +2
                    And what did Baluevsky do without the decision of the president and prime minister? I would be grateful for the information
                2. 16112014nk
                  16112014nk 4 March 2014 16: 35
                  0
                  Medvedev defended Abkhazia? If it weren’t for the chief of the General Staff, General Baluevsky, Medvedev would have shamed Abkhazia, for which the general was then fired.
                  1. AVIATOR36662
                    AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 16: 55
                    +3
                    At that time, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief was DAM, so that is primary (who fulfills whose orders) and what needs to be understood a second time. Putin-Medvedev double has been working for a long time and is very effective. And it will work for a long time and efficiently. This is one team, it's time to clarify forever.
              7. Goodmen
                Goodmen 4 March 2014 14: 42
                +4
                Quote: Borz
                Here is the MAIN threat to the United States: Russia, if sanctions are imposed by the US Senate, will be forced to go to other currencies, create its own settlement and payment system, adviser to the President of the Russian Federation Sergei Glazyev said in an interview with RIA Novosti on Tuesday.


                Here's what they write now: (((((

                http://www.vz.ru/news/2014/3/4/675444.html

                Statements by presidential adviser Sergei Glazyev on financial relations between Russia and the United States are his personal opinion and do not express the official position of the Kremlin, a senior source surrounded by the head of state said.

                He added that Glazyev, apparently, expressed his version as an academician, and not as an adviser to the president, RIA Novosti reports.


                One thing pleases that nothing is known about the source ... maybe a duck, maybe not ... or maybe another mnogoghodovka - to warn the west of intentions, to the unofficially, but very seriously.
                1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
                  Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 00: 43
                  0
                  Glazyev launched a test ball so that the reaction of the West became clear. And they immediately managed.
            2. ZIS
              ZIS 5 March 2014 15: 31
              0
              In Sevastopol, all the bureaucratic and deputy gopota were also preparing to lie under the putschists, but the people gathered and elected Chaly Alexei Mikhailovich, in Simferopol after that Konstantinov changed his mind and drove the old ministers to appoint new Russians, but then "dear rushed! Look for a "violent" in your ranks, then you will be supported.
          2. I do not care
            I do not care 4 March 2014 20: 40
            +1
            But now, unfortunately, it is time for us to stop trying to do good to Ukraine. Infection must devour itself. It’s impossible to pull Ukrainians out of sweet dreams of Europe, except for rough reality. In any other case, they will hang all the dogs on their rescuers and will never forgive them.

            Therefore, no one will release the captured regions by force, but only at the request of a population that has become tired of lawlessness and poverty, who has come to its senses and decisively. Wait a short time. The West once again does not give money, but the spring flood is on its nose and you have to buy food for something.




            I do not agree to 100 percent. It is better to stop suicides, if necessary, and by force, or you will wipe their brain with a broom from the sidewalk.
            My opinion.
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 4 March 2014 13: 06
          +40
          Quote: strannik595
          doesn’t reach through the head, will reach through the ass, dad said,

          Of course, our brothers played too much in Western values, and it’s not far from trouble, but we don’t give our own, it was and will be so ..
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 4 March 2014 13: 19
            +19
            Quote: DEfindER
            but we don’t give ours, it was and it will be so

            hiA hero shroud !!!
            1. CALL.
              CALL. 4 March 2014 13: 58
              +6
              Colleague Marakhovsky is right, we lost the war for the minds. This is a medical fact. It is impossible to ignore the shaft of messages from people who communicate with their relatives and friends in Ukraine and are horrified by how much people have washed their brains. And it's not about zapadentsev, but about normal, previously adequate people.

              There is a war of Truth against Lies. The war is waged by a fraudulent, well-funded system, led by the United States. The goal is further spiritual and moral decomposition and demoralization of society and the dismemberment of the enemy. Under the influence of media magazines, people (especially young people) have forgotten how to perceive the truth, began to laugh and mock it, betray it. The truth has become too cold and unpleasant for those who worship the world of comfort, womb, cowardice and greed.
          2. shower
            shower 4 March 2014 14: 36
            0
            Only hyenas are many times larger, mongrels pi n dos ovsky.
        3. Canep
          Canep 4 March 2014 13: 14
          +8
          In fact, this memorandum now obliges Russia to expel Bandera from Kiev and eliminate the threat of a split in Ukraine.
          And the USA and Great Britain, which also signed the memorandum, are obliged to help Russia in this. There are so many lawyers in the West who act like idiots.
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 4 March 2014 13: 22
            +3
            US sanctions against Russian government agencies will force Russia to recognize the impossibility of repaying loans to American banks. This was stated by Advisor to the President of Russia Sergey Glazyev, RIA Novosti reports.

            According to him, sanctions are a double-edged weapon, and if Russian assets are frozen in the US, the liabilities of Russian organizations in dollars will also be frozen. This, as Glazyev noted, will lead to the fact that banks and enterprises from the Russian Federation will not repay loans to American partners.
            The situation in Crimea sharply raised the dollar and euro
            Glazyev added that if the US authorities freeze the accounts of Russian enterprises and citizens, the Russian government will recommend that everyone sell US treasury bills. The presidential adviser emphasized that Russia holds more than $ 200 billion worth of US government bonds.

            Glazyev also noted that if the United States applies sanctions against the country, the Russian side will have to create its own settlement and payment system and leave the dollar in other currencies. “We have excellent trade and economic relations with our partners in the East and South, and we will find a way to not only nullify our financial dependence on the United States, but also get out of these sanctions with great benefit for ourselves,” he said. Glazyev warned that an attempt to impose sanctions on Russia "would result in a collapse for the US financial system, which would entail the cessation of US dominance in the global financial system."

            http://lenta.ru/news/2014/03/04/answer/
            1. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 4 March 2014 15: 23
              -11%
              And in my opinion, history has not taught you anything. Glazyev is a short-sighted person. The USSR lived in almost complete isolation from the West and the USA. So what? They collapsed from the fact that they did not receive profit at the expense of us? Not! But our all funds in the banks of America, the Gaidar-Chubais-Yeltsin heritage. This is our gold migrated to the United States. And Americans will simply print dollars, give them to their banks at interest, and those to borrowers. And then the tested scheme - the United States, those who trade with Russia, do not sell high technology, and do not give loans, organize the Orange Revolution and lead the economy to collapse. And there will be no collapse in the USA. And this is not the first time repeated. And on the requirements of China to give money in gold, they spat. China, with all its 1.4 billion, is not even capable of causing partial damage to America.
              1. Saburov
                Saburov 4 March 2014 22: 23
                +3
                What are you talking about, if you don’t know, then even from 1986 to 1991, the GDP growth in the USSR was at the level of 5-6 percent per year, the crisis in the USSR was created artificially, Gorbachev, with his own power and perestroika, launched into power any so-called Soviet neo-liberals, these are people who are of 1 rank, and they want to receive 10 rank, they then fell under the distribution of feeders from the West, I personally saw 1989 as explosives guarded food stores for the subsequent export of food and consumer goods to the dump followed by the burning of all de Ititsa. And about dollars, you will ask the financier what will happen if a country like Russia or China leaves the dollar zone, there will be one answer, the United States will remain in it ... forever with their debts and green pieces of paper, in 2008 it’s a crisis China saved the United States from collapse by buying the bucks from them in its reserve, but by doing so, China holds the United States tightly for yay..a, just like us, we must beat the enemy with his own weapons, and the main weapon of the United States is the dollar and the United States itself doesn’t realizing, spreading their influence through a green piece of paper, they themselves created a time bomb and oh mine can take advantage of anyone who is in the dollar zone, do not have to sound smart, you have to be, you can a good analyst, but Putin's team are the best.
          2. novobranets
            novobranets 4 March 2014 16: 27
            +3
            - In the capital of Serbia, more than 500 people gathered outside the Russian Embassy to express support for the position of the Russian side in the situation in Ukraine. The rally was organized by the Serbian public movement "Doors". The demonstrators submitted a petition to the embassy in which they express support for Russia and its efforts to prevent oppression of the Russian-speaking ... http: //politobzor.net/14437-v-belgrade-proveli-miting-v-podderz
            hku-pozicii-rossii-v-situacii-s-ukrainoy.html
        4. vlad1
          vlad1 4 March 2014 23: 38
          0
          don’t rely heavily on this. Zapadents are mainly supplied with relatives from abroad, but in the east we’ll have to be a little tough, but without that I think the bad heads will not sober up and change their minds, but I would like to do without blood
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 4 March 2014 12: 54
        +16
        History did not teach them anything: after 1654 and the death of Khmelnitsky, Rohland was already "breaking free from Moscow" - they had several decades of a very interesting period, which even in their history textbooks is called "RUINA" (meaningful name) so history repeats itself in farce now, but RUINA remains
      3. AVV
        AVV 4 March 2014 14: 06
        +1
        Quote: jjj
        So the Ukrainians really believed that they were God's chosen people. Time, devastation and hunger will bring to life

        It is necessary to go through this, then the brain, a hungry brain, will start to work faster, and only complete devastation and poverty can make people be adequate. That the Western propaganda, which spent millions of Euros and Dollars, gave its result, no doubt !!! And now Western Ukraine will experience the charm of its revolution on its own skin! So they need it !!!
      4. delfinN
        delfinN 4 March 2014 16: 47
        0
        I remembered:

        These sat down to play chess with Putin, and he showed them the game of "Chapaev".
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 4 March 2014 16: 49
        +3
        Quote from the article: "The worst thing is that it becomes impossible to speak with these Ukrainians in the language of facts. You cannot explain to them .."
        ====================================================================== ================
        How were they brainwashed? Yes, just everything. This operation was developed and thought out to the smallest detail by amer's criminals. They have a lot of experience in this. After the seizure of the national mass media, they turn into an ideological weapon that cleans out the doubters. And fools the whole nation. I have already encountered such "adepts" on the net.
        What to talk about, then? The Rossiya24 TV channel aired a story with our Russian sympathizing Maidanist who had been there and barely survived for dissent. According to his story, up to 70 people are present on the Kiev Maidan! American instructors, up to 50 German special forces and Poles, whom he did not count !!! These guys don't light up in front of the cameras. At the slightest suspicion of a "misdirected Cossack" they lead into the basement and a bullet in the back of the head. Here is such a national, purely Ukrainian Euromaidan wassat
      6. Babon
        Babon 4 March 2014 17: 00
        +2
        So some people write that soon Ukraine will heal like Germany. You can read a lot of name-calling addressed to Russia, from the "taiga union" to the fact that Russia's friends are Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. In general, many people are true with Aryan manners. It's just that the arguments that the discount on gas and loans from Russia increase the competitiveness of Ukraine do not work. They do not need our love or our experience.
      7. maroder555
        maroder555 4 March 2014 19: 16
        +2
        Time, devastation and hunger will bring to life
        even as they will lead, spring, summer, autumn will fly by very quickly, but it is necessary to prepare for winter ...
        no sowing, no harvesting, no fuel, or anything! and you can’t stretch much on humanitarian aid, and not everyone will get it ... In general, if you do not wake up now, as a result of internal transactions in society, the number of the population will sharply decline ...
        And they could live, live normally ...
    2. Shick
      Shick 4 March 2014 12: 51
      +4
      In the wrong direction, Stalin burned. As long as there is the USA, there will be fascists and Nazis and so on. All that can be used against Russia and to the detriment of the Slavs
    3. nnz226
      nnz226 4 March 2014 12: 51
      +23
      The liberal is miserable and humanist! Bandera and other Baltic trash was supposed to develop the southern coast of the Laptev Sea, and they should receive an amnesty in honor of the VICTORY. And now these shortcomings marching through the streets ... And they are also proud that they shot at the Russians ...
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 4 March 2014 13: 28
        +18
        Thesis: "The USSR (Russia) is an evil empire!" firmly stuck in the head Western politicians and parts of the population of Europe and the United States. Therefore, all our actions are perceived with such aggressiveness and lack of understanding. Any reasoned statements and explanations are dismissed as lies and fiction. Any offensive and aggressive action on the part of individual citizens and Western countries towards Russia is met in the West with "Hurray!"
        Ukraine is another reason to humiliate, bring Russia to its knees.
        It will not work, gentlemen!
        The truth will strike its way!
        Not one step back! Russians do not give up!
      2. RusSever
        RusSever 4 March 2014 14: 55
        +1
        Please leave alone the coast of the Laptev Sea, I have repeated this many times here on the forum. In the place of residence, it is necessary to re-educate the contingent in the place of residence. Sincerely, :) The land here is vulnerable, tender :)
      3. papik09
        papik09 4 March 2014 15: 02
        +1
        Not the Laptevs, but the southern coast of the NORTH SEA wink
        1. wasjasibirjac
          wasjasibirjac 4 March 2014 16: 54
          0
          i.e. Great Britain? I hold
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 4 March 2014 16: 59
          0
          Quote: papik09
          Not the Laptevs, but the southern coast of the NORTH SEA wink

          The New Earth for this purpose, I think, will be much better lol
    4. elmi
      elmi 4 March 2014 13: 00
      +5
      Quote: Hs487
      Still, I.V. Stalin was a very humane person - he did not burn the Nazi ulcer to the end with a hot iron. But it was necessary.

      Yeah, I imagine if Stalin was now in power: the toughest-rastrel, softest resettled the entire population of western Ukraine in the vast expanses of Siberia and the Far East, and it’s not heaped but fragmented so that Bendera’s already flared. the mood was dissolved in our rich human mass, and the pro-Russian population resettled in their place.
    5. Saratovets
      Saratovets 4 March 2014 13: 25
      +8
      Overly humane, history teaches that you must not leave unfinished business, everything goes sideways!
      It is a pity that the slogan DEATH TO FASCIS has again become relevant, I am ashamed of my grandfather, who died on the Nevsky heel in the 42nd
    6. knn54
      knn54 4 March 2014 14: 43
      +6
      -AD:
      We are a democratic country - we can overthrow YOUR President
      -AMERICAN:
      And we can overthrow the President ... YOURSELF.
    7. Ross
      Ross 4 March 2014 16: 51
      0
      Still, I.V. Stalin was a very humane person - he did not burn the Nazi ulcer to the end with a hot iron. But it was necessary.

      They can no longer be corrected, genes and upbringing have done their job. It takes several generations in black mitts ...
    8. Storm
      Storm 4 March 2014 23: 58
      0
      How much insult is being poured into Ukraine! You just zombie through television! Everything is not as they try to present to you. The Ukrainian people threw off the yoke of corrupt power! You should envy them! And you are being torn off getting rich at your expense. Only Moscow and St. Petersburg live, and the hinterland is dying and impoverished! Take the sign from the Ukrainian people! You cannot do this. One has only to blather and you are immediately pulled into the caravan! Underpants!
      1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 00: 55
        0
        He laughs well, who laughs without consequences. So you shoved this slug out, we do not mind. The weak was a human being. Well, you yourself chose it! But the fact that every rabble was allowed to power and remained without money, and soon without gas, then here, sorry, there is nothing to envy.
      2. Suhow
        Suhow 5 March 2014 02: 29
        0
        WELL-A AND THE OLIAHARHAM AGAIN RETURNED THEIR MALES. WHAT WERE THERE FOR? RUSSIANS MISTAKEN ONLY IN ONE-ENTRY OF THE VOYSK. ATTENTION THEN YOU DON'T ENTER THE MOSCOW AS MAYBE ALREADY Fought BETWEEN YOU BETWEEN YOU.
    9. Storm
      Storm 4 March 2014 23: 58
      +1
      How much insult is being poured into Ukraine! You just zombie through television! Everything is not as they try to present to you. The Ukrainian people threw off the yoke of corrupt power! You should envy them! And you are being torn off getting rich at your expense. Only Moscow and St. Petersburg live, and the hinterland is dying and impoverished! Take the sign from the Ukrainian people! You cannot do this. One has only to blather and you are immediately pulled into the caravan! Underpants!
    10. Storm
      Storm 5 March 2014 00: 03
      +2
      How can you say such a thing and not even be ashamed! The Ukrainian people threw off the yoke of corrupt power! And you cowards live under a boot and the oligarchs get rich at your expense and all you can do is yapping! You are cowards! Your powers that be burn you out and you don’t yap! Envy and take an example!
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 5 March 2014 05: 04
        0
        Quote: Storm
        Envy and take an example!

        Burn your house, inject a drug into your son, kill a neighbor - there is something to be proud of!
        + my intentionally, I very much wish you to stay on this resource for at least another six months, and then we will talk about the "thrown off the yoke of the corrupt government." It will simply be interesting how you will assess the activities of the ascended "non-corrupt government".
    11. Artyom
      Artyom 5 March 2014 00: 37
      0
      and here’s the video in the topic soldier
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u3qoVvep_Y&feature=player_embedded
      <iframe width="640" height="360"
  2. zol1
    zol1 4 March 2014 12: 24
    +19
    I called my relatives (they are Russian) in Lugansk and for a long time I couldn’t recover! So they are fooled, zombied. All events are presented almost in pink and cannot be convinced that the reality is completely different. I think that Russia lost the information war again.
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 4 March 2014 12: 38
      +70
      Quote: zol1
      I think that Russia lost the information war again.

      While such people in the Soviet country there .... tongue It is not possible to shut it all up !!!
      1. yurasyi
        yurasyi 4 March 2014 13: 16
        +18
        I completely agree with this Soviet man and nobody is going to fight with the people of Ukraine, but Bandera’s people say that there are two big differences
        1. platitsyn70
          platitsyn70 4 March 2014 13: 54
          +12
          this is not an aggressive person, this is a sober person, and if everyone reasoned like this, then in Ukraine there wasn’t all this Mr.
      2. Curculum
        Curculum 4 March 2014 14: 20
        +10
        Quote: Sid.74
        While such people in the Soviet country are

        And such:
        For 23 years we have been independent and free. We are not slaves, we are not, we are almost Europeans. Isn't that the most beautiful thing that could happen to us. We have thrown off all the shackles that can be thrown off. We have freed ourselves from bloody tyrants, from bloody history. From everything that connected us with "them" For a long time, almost a quarter of a century, such an air of Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood, which is not found anywhere else, has been walking in our country. Isn't that so? Shouldn't we be constantly proud of this? Is this not what we wanted and not what we have been striving for all these years? Isn't that what we hear from TVs and the Internet every minute? We are ready to give our lives for this freedom !!! This is our highest value. There is no higher. There is nothing more important in this world than our independence. Hands off Ukraine. And so on and so forth…
        And from whom are we independent? As a country, as a people? Just a minute ... just think. Who owns the power? People? Or oligarchs? Who has grown rich all these years? The people or they, these guardians for the people, who shout the loudest about our unity and our freedoms? Whose channels and sites tell us about this every minute? Why each president we have chosen every time promised us so much ... and why in all this time we have not received anything except this "freedom" and "independence", for which we are now ready to die in the struggle with the evil and cunning neighbor ? Each of us owes more 3000 dollars. Everyone, including babies! It is our duty to the whole world. 140 billion dollars. Where is the money? They are not! And there are debts. And you, and me, and every member of our families need to pay for them. This is our independence. Can a debtor be independent, as they say to us all this time? Is this what is our main value? Pay debts? And by the way, this value is growing every year.
        And to whom all these years our main value - Independence served? Authorities, politicians and oligarchs? Hiding behind the elections, we were forced to choose the next noisy politicians. That promised us prosperity again and again. And again and again this did not happen. Rather, prosperity happened in power, politicians and oligarchs. And this time, do you think we will be luckier? So maybe for oligarchs, independence is the main value? Independence from the people. Freedom to rob, steal, freedom to lie and pit us among themselves. All that surrounds us, that our parents built, fathers belong to them. They were able, hypnotizing us with words about freedom, democracy and independence, to appropriate everything to themselves! They collect loans, build castles, villas, yachts. They have accounts abroad, and their offsprings study at the most prestigious and expensive universities in the West. And we pay for it! And if you doubt the value of such independence, then you are a traitor, you sold yourself to Moscow and Putin personally. Is not it? Or maybe over the years we have become independent and free from our history, our language, our roots and ancestors? We were forced to abandon their exploits, great exploits and achievements of our people. Our Great Folk.
      3. Curculum
        Curculum 4 March 2014 14: 23
        +4
        Continued:
        For some reason, our heroes are now those whom our ancestors crushed during the Great War. As it happened, we demolish our own monuments, monuments to our ancestors, fathers and grandfathers. This is our memory. Who needs to destroy it? We are crazy as we again climb the barricades. Orem, that this time we will definitely live like a fairy tale. Once again this happens to us, what a vicious circle it is. What a wraith? We got rid of the corrupt power, again. For the umpteenth time. And again the ghost of hope, like a mirage beckons, whispering from all the irons, that this time we will certainly flourish and everyone will just die of envy. We have lost over the years more 6 millions! our citizens. These are impossible numbers. In peacetime. This is close to the loss of the entire civilian population of the USSR during the most terrible war in the history of mankind. And we lost them with peace, independence and democracy.
        What have we achieved for this 23 year of this intoxicating freedom? What can we be proud of? What do our women care for old women or work in brothels? That our men are competing with Polish for the right to pick strawberries in Portugal or with Moldovans to lay tiles in Russia? What we do not have a normal army that can protect us, and now there is no police? And our children are ready to fight with our own sons and fathers from the Golden Eagle? It remains for us to be proud that we are Ukrainians. And this is our only reason for pride? Why are we trying to whitewash the traitors, and make them heroes? Where are our real heroes that the whole world knows? Where is our Shakespeare, Einstein, Gagarin? Anyone who can give us a glimpse, hope and faith? Take a minute from everything and sit in silence. Try to just think where all that we had? Why did we give up our victories? Why did we pick our sores with the famine and sit roar? How can this be inspired, create something and build under such an ideology?
        Wait a minute! But we launched the first satellite! We defeated Napoleon, Hitler, Turks and Swedes, and a bunch of other nationalities and tribes who came to our land! We created the greatest and greatest country in the history of mankind! That we created nuclear power plants and bombs! This was afraid of us yesterday and was respected by the whole world! Where is it now? Where? Why did we refuse to be a great nation and took the fate of the offended? Who stole our history and our victories from us? Russia? ? We allowed ourselves to do this, we ourselves abandoned our memory, our ancestors, feats. They believed in new false idols and heroes. Small and insignificant in comparison with what we had yesterday. Is it possible to compare Gagarin and Bender? In Kiev go ideological guys in masks and with sticks. One part of the people alive burn the other. Shoots at each other. How we allowed it. We again believe in a new revolution, new promises. Why we became miserable, constantly shouting that we are independent and free. The past has been stolen from us, now the remains of the future are being stolen. We teach our children false books of false history. How could this happen to us? What happened?
      4. Curculum
        Curculum 4 March 2014 14: 26
        +15
        Ending:
        I envy the Russians, I envy them, "I am a Nazi muzzle, am" and "yam" I envy their Olympics and their army, I have many friends, I also have relatives in Russia. And I see them changing and growing. They trust their President. They believe in their army. They are proud of their great history, their achievements and victories. And this was our common history ... and victories and achievements. Just yesterday. They made peace with themselves. They didn't give a damn about the West we adored. And they go further and develop, so that they do not tell us on our televisions and on our forums. And I understand that it is we who are losing, not they. We are getting weaker and they are getting stronger. And no matter how loudly we shout "Glory to Ukraine!" it cannot be stopped. Quite recently, we were sneering when they had Chechnya. And now the Chechens are no less Russians than the Russians themselves. They are ready to fight for their revived and Great Country. Part of which they are. And they are already scaring us with Chechen battalions. How did it happen ??? They killed each other yesterday. And the reason is simple, the Chechens were able to remember that they are Russians, and that they are part of the Great Country and the Great People.
        We gloat when they have attacks and catastrophes. And they overcome them time after time and become stronger! Although the whole world is against them! They fall and rise again. Stand and lybytsya. They just spit blood through their teeth. And we shout that they are slaves. Soon they will fall apart, oil will fall, NATO will attack, and another punishment will come down on them. But, after all, they are us! We spit in our reflection. In themselves.
        We need to remember that we are one. And when we begin to understand and realize this. That feeling will come when it was in our ancestors. A sense of inner strength, hope, faith and pride in the fact that we are also Russians. And it doesn't matter who our ancestors are, Ukrainians, Tatars, Jews, Buryats or Uzbeks. It doesn't matter who we are by faith, Catholics, Orthodox, Muslims or Jews. It is not important. The main thing is that we are Russians! And we are part of the Great People and the Great Country. Yes, our Great Country and Great People still have problems. But if we remember that we are Russians. Everything will change forever! And everyone is afraid of this. To be afraid that we will remember it and be together again. And therefore this web of lies, lies is woven from all sides. All this anger and hatred is supported, both here and in Russia. They keep us from waking up. And if we do not remember who we are, then we will never wake up. Regarding the current situation, occupation and other things. Who is shouting the loudest that we need to defend "our" independence, unity and freedom? The same officials, oligarchs and deputies. They are terribly afraid that they will have to answer for everything that has happened over the years to our Motherland. Or maybe this is not an occupation? Or maybe this is liberation? It came ours, when there was almost no hope left, when we had almost given up. And we need to stand together and destroy all these deceitful politicians, oligarchs, mayors and officials who are foaming at the mouth and shouting that we should go and die! To die for their villas, yachts and castles, for their bank accounts, for their freedom to rob and independence from responsibility for their actions.
        I understand that this manifest will be cut from the Internet. There will be thousands of malicious comments, they will shout that I am a traitor, I have sold myself to Putin, that I, I am a Nazi face, padded jacket and b I do not care. I know the truth is behind me. I am a patriot of Ukraine, a true patriot, and the fate of my people and my Ukraine is being decided. We will either remember who we are or simply disappear. I love my Ukrainian people, my ancestors and my culture. I am Ukrainian, but more than that I am Russian!
        Andrey Avramenko. Kharkov.
        1. Suhow
          Suhow 5 March 2014 02: 51
          0
          MANY CORRECT WORDS ... WE NEED TO UNITE FOR THE BEGINNING IN THE AREAS BECAUSE OF CITIES AND ETC .. A NATION BETWEEN THE FAITH OF THE FATHER-ALREADY A NATION OF KIEV
      5. Manul
        Manul 4 March 2014 15: 45
        +2
        Yes, if at least a third of these were, everything would be fine. There are only a few of them. And the rest are either nationalists, or, most of them, zombie masses.
      6. delfinN
        delfinN 4 March 2014 16: 56
        +1
        To be honest, I’m not so surprised, I’m amazed. It turns out that not everything is lost. Here, on the forum, they try to convince them that they called relatives to Ukraine, they are all zombied, inadequate, etc. Well, people are not zombified. I'm used to thinking with my brain. I suspect that Ukraine is not the only one.
      7. axpert2008
        axpert2008 4 March 2014 18: 16
        +2
        Where can I shake hands with this person? For twenty years of brainwashing in Ukraine, he managed to maintain a sound mind. Just GOOD !!!
      8. Suhow
        Suhow 5 March 2014 02: 37
        0
        SEEM REMOVED ON THE HOOD. ??
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 4 March 2014 12: 41
      +12
      it is ........ when I talk with my people from Rivne, Ivano-Frankivsk, Bila Tserkva, Kiev --- then I put my brains an hour ago ...............
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 4 March 2014 16: 29
        +8
        And not you alone! Zombified so that they are ready to gnaw the phone! fool
    3. Kazakh
      Kazakh 4 March 2014 12: 42
      +23
      I think that Russia lost the information war again.
      Sorry brother, but that the war has already ended? A few days ago, I myself thought that all but no, Kiev surrendered and a lot of the rest were. So fight where you can, explain to relatives what is what. Not only Putin should fight, but we must. How many actions were waiting on the site, here’s the leader and the leader and actions, join at least drop by drop, but you need to help
      1. Anper
        Anper 4 March 2014 13: 26
        -8
        Quote: Kazakh
        actions join at least drop by drop but need help

        But how? Where and whom to look for? Here, for example, is the information of the Vkontakte Right Sector, which is always at the top of the page. But this is a colossal piece of work done. Not days and not months.

        If the number of the coordinator of your region is not listed below, check if you turn up. Organize your own initiative groups too.
        ---------------------
        Coordination number of the Right Sector KYIVSKOЇ REGION +38 (093) 675-64-89
        Contact areas:
        Kyivska +380501009443
        Volinska +380687901132
        Lvivska +380686991554
        Ivano-Frankivsk +380661053816, +380686776660
        Ternopilska +380967994105
        Rivnenska +380673601688
        Khmelnitsky +380687060211
        Vinnytska +380677958336
        Chernіvetska +380966322135
        Chernіgіvska +380935159630 (Litvin Vladislav)
        Dnipropetrovsk +380974191697
        Kharkivska +380930829053
        Kirovogradska +380990196731
        Cream +380982582087
        Odesa +380931083371
        Khersonska +380970321925, +380661993019
        Zakarpatska +380938264621, +380679123926
        Mykolaivska +380935175963
        Kharkivska +380982426063
        Luganska +380952916278, +380955077222
        Cherkasy +380933926766
        Poltavska +380503047259, +380671162667
        Poltavska (Gadyach) +380507346887
        Poltavska (Mirgorod) +380501467499
        Zaporizhzka +380677839834
        Zhytomyrska +380677107396
        Donetsk +380991665852
        metro Kremenchuk +380677037346, +380932997322
        m. Berdyansk + 380685765208
        metro Kherson +380671844484, +380955386207, +380957006513
        Voznesensk metro station +380931160104
        m. Sumi +380989258650
        metro station Dnipropetrovsk +380976626570

        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 4 March 2014 13: 51
          +4
          m. Berdyansk + 380685765208


          Even my small town Berdyansk is there? belay

          Who would doubt it, because there are about 40% of Russian-speaking Russophobes. Most of them are young people and entrepreneurs who rent housing to Russians in the summer. We even have a leader and head of the nat. party "Svoboda", rents housing to vacationers from Russia, the area is called Liski. Unfortunately, I don't remember the street and the house, I know it visually. He left the city long ago.

          Ha-ha, but the number is not the MTS operator. In Berdyansk, as in a city of bourgeois and miserly people, everyone uses MTS. Cheaper to call. The PS coordinator will have to stupidly call everyone back in response to the SMS "please call me back", because he has unlimited. The logistics are lame, but I think they will improve.
        2. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 4 March 2014 16: 21
          +2
          Quote: Anper
          Vkontakte Right Sector information, which is always at the top of the page

          These pages were closed by Rospotrebnadzor yesterday (http://rbcdaily.ru/society/562949990720153).
          I tried to visit them today. Do not let!
          I think most of the domains of Ukrainian sites are now in Russia. So, if you wish, you can block them all communication. And if desired, and on Facebook and Twitter to block. Why, during the information war, which is being waged now, we are so inactive using our opportunities ??????
        3. andrey_kz
          andrey_kz 4 March 2014 17: 03
          +3
          Sorry if I say stupidity, but if to each of these numbers add a couple dozen leftists? Is it technically possible?
        4. Anper
          Anper 4 March 2014 17: 10
          +3
          I do not understand. for which minus. For that. What is shown a piece of work from the Right Sector? Or do they suspect me of a mishandled Cossack? Or is it a minus not to me, but to the information laid out? So I threw the appeal of Yarosh. So you can offend am
          1. Anper
            Anper 4 March 2014 18: 08
            +2
            Quote: Anper
            So you can offend

            Then you try, you try, you show. that they were white and fluffy, sharply began to imagine themselves, that their task is to overthrow Putin, and Russia they are friends, so that people understand, and they are minus! crying
            Now they have such pictures now, and lower on the wall during the so-called fighting such texts Brothers, at the present time, somewhere in the center of Kiev, this Putin g.i.d.a. is hanging around with a camera and a microphone. and lies on the Rossiya24 TV channel to Russian viewers about the events in Ukraine. Tells about the fact that gangs of moroders are operating in Kiev and that Kiev has plunged into chaos. Pours mud on the Ukrainian people. Make him at least a comment.
            Calls himself - Artyom Kol.
      2. platitsyn70
        platitsyn70 4 March 2014 13: 47
        +3
        I am also a Soviet citizen and I can present my passport and I agree with him
      3. MBA78
        MBA78 4 March 2014 16: 19
        +4
        Soon MAY 9 must hurry
    4. valokordin
      valokordin 4 March 2014 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: zol1
      I called my relatives (they are Russian) in Lugansk and for a long time I couldn’t recover! So they are fooled, zombied. All events are presented almost in pink and cannot be convinced that the reality is completely different. I think that Russia lost the information war again.


      Why are the leaders of the Russian media not punished for the loss, where is the informatics minister?
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 4 March 2014 12: 54
        +1
        Quote: valokordin
        Why are the leaders of the Russian media not punished for the loss, where is the informatics minister?

        Minister of Informatics? Do we have one? And what to punish computer scientists !? laughing
      2. Orik
        Orik 4 March 2014 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: valokordin
        Why are the leaders of the Russian media not punished for the loss, where is the informatics minister?

        And there’s nothing to punish, no one set them such a task ...
      3. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 4 March 2014 13: 37
        +3
        Well, in Ukraine, they turned off Russian channels, including on cable TV, and there is very little satellite TV and there is not 100% infa that the banderlog "plates" are forced to shoot or they are destroyed (from my telephone conversation with Ukraine)
    5. avg
      avg 4 March 2014 12: 50
      +29
      Quote: zol1
      I think that Russia lost the information war again.

      So let's fight together. There is little hope for our media. First, tell your relatives a joke, they say humor heals.

      Kume, and sho tse "associate membership"?
      - Well, godmother, Ukraine will participate in the EU.
      -To enter the EU?
      - None, will not enter, but will participate.
      - Yak so?
      - Well, roughly, like eggs in sexual intercourse: participate, but do not enter. And so, hanging around!
      1. axpert2008
        axpert2008 4 March 2014 18: 26
        0
        laughing Fell under the table. You can’t imagine a better comparison !!! Exactly like eggs!
    6. Borz
      Borz 4 March 2014 13: 03
      +25
      Alas, the same rake again. The day after the troops entered the Crimea, my wife's best friend called her immediately and was hysterical, saying that she was happy that YOU (and she has a Russian mother, from Makhachkala, and she herself was there born) Russians start the war ?! Well, my love answered her like that: yes, of course they are satisfied, but not with the war, but with the hope that they gave us. And if the Russian soldiers come to us, we will meet them with bread and salt. In short, we quarreled in smoke. But I told that friend at one time - do not look at the 5th Ukrainian anal lol
  3. Clegg
    Clegg 4 March 2014 12: 32
    -48%
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine

    1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.

    2. The government of Ukraine is legitimate. It was elected by the Verkhovna Rada as a constitutional majority. Deputies from the party of Viktor Yanukovych also voted for the new government.

    3. Viktor Yanukovych is no longer the president. He did not comply with the agreement of February 21 and fled the country. A person related to the deaths of more than 90 Ukrainian citizens does not have the right to call himself a legitimate president.

    4. Russia must immediately withdraw its troops from the Crimea. This behavior of the Russian military is unacceptable in the 21st century.

    5. The OSCE mission will study the situation in Ukraine.

    6. Russia is obliged to start negotiations.

    7. For Russia, the consequences of sending troops into the Crimea can be very serious.

    8. Russia does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine. The Ukrainian people have the right to solve their problems.

    9. The Budapest Memorandum and the Political Agreement with Ukraine must be respected. Russia is obliged to respect the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine.

    10. Russia's behavior threatens the security of all of Europe.
    1. jjj
      jjj 4 March 2014 12: 39
      +12
      They would immediately recognize at the UN that there are no Russians in Ukraine at all. But no and no trial
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 5 March 2014 03: 24
        +4
        Cleqq, You did not want to discuss the Maidan and Ukraine? Almost demanded that others not discuss. And I ask you to analyze and draw conclusions, because You are a supporter of European integration and NATO.
        If our government (Kazakhstan) begins to meet the requirements of only the indigenous population, then we will lose the integrity of our state. Then forget about sovereignty. This is the first conclusion that can be drawn from the events in Ukraine.
        The coming to power of nationalists (actually fascists) cannot be an internal affair of any country. This is the second conclusion.
        Economic collapse and a significant decline in the welfare of the population. Note that in the summer, when I was in Ukraine, the hryvnia rate was about 8 grams. for 1 dollar .. Now 12. 50% devaluation. Our 20%, agree flowers. This is the third conclusion.
        No one wants to give loans. Yatsenyuk’s government is ready to be taken on any conditions — this is bondage that will not allow independent decisions to be made, both in domestic and in foreign policy. In a word, there is no need to talk about independence. This has not happened yet, but it will most likely be so. Watch this carefully. WEST DOES NOT MAKE MONEY WITHOUT POLITICAL CONDITIONS. This is the fourth conclusion.
        People (mainly nat. Minorities) do not feel SECURITY and will try to leave (especially in western Ukraine) the country. That is the outflow of the population. For a country like Kazakhstan, this will be a DISASTER. This is the fifth conclusion.
        Lawlessness (the law of FORCE and WEAPONS), chaos and high crime. Power structures cannot do anything, because virtually neutralized by the opposition. Cops and traffic cops shoot like ducks. This is the sixth conclusion.
        The country is on the verge of a civil war. Referenda in the South and East will lead to tension. God forbid, of course, but such as Yarosh, Tyagnibok and others can go for it. This is the seventh conclusion.
        Here, Cleqq, what flirting with the West leads to (see Putin’s interview for a comparison with a rat laboratory). They actually intervened in the internal affairs of Ukraine (EU and US officials were visible on EUROMAIDAN). They push their foreheads between Russians and Ukrainians. Why do you think so? Do you think they will behave better with Kazakhstan? I ask you about one thing - think and analyze everything that happens in Ukraine. This is an example of how not to do.
        It is ridiculous to hear that the United States suspends military cooperation with the Russian Federation. They are ticking from Afghanistan this year, from Manas to Kyrgyzstan. Well, Russia will close the transit of goods - even if in half the world it drags goods, what is good for them ?! hi
        PS I thought that Putin would speak only after the results of the referendums were announced. But apparently in the West and puppets in Ukraine began to oppose the referendums. And he had to indicate the position of the Russian Federation. I saw two "inaccuracies" in this interview.
        1. That in the Crimea "militia" are operating, and not servicemen of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
        2. That the government of the Russian Federation does not consider the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation. "This will be decided by the people of Crimea."
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 5 March 2014 07: 48
          -1
          Quote: Kasym
          You did not want to discuss the Maidan and Ukraine?

          Maidan is an internal affair of Ukraine.
          An attempt to separate Crimea is already a conflict and violations of the principles of international law.

          Quote: Kasym
          1. That in the Crimea "militia" are operating, and not servicemen of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

          In the Crimea, a military soldier of Kazakh rank and file Azamat Dasanov, special forces of the GRU from Saratov, are fighting. What kind of militias are we talking about?

          Quote: Kasym
          That the government of the Russian Federation does not consider the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation. "This will be decided by the people of Crimea."

          This is contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 5 March 2014 11: 23
            +3
            Maidan would be an internal affair of Ukraine if
            1. There would be no nationalist slogans (such as - Ukraine for Ukrainians)
            2. There would be no infringement of nat. minorities
            3. There would be no infringement on political views (party of regions, communists).
            All this 1 + 2 + 3 = stream of refugees. And this is not the internal affair of Ukraine.
            The MayDowns themselves buried the Constitution when they took power by force. Now let them be responsible for everything. "The opposition claims that there was a revolution, not a violent seizure of power. But the revolution implies the formation of a new state and its basic law. And the new state does not have legally binding bilateral agreements." So the question is open about Crimea.
            And actually, I have 2 grandfathers fought with the Nazis. The USSR brought 20 million victims - more than enough to call these Bandera to justice. Double standards of the West will not pass here. Therefore, your verbal support for these p.i.d.a.p.a.s.o.s. in no way can be properly received on this site.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 5 March 2014 13: 30
              0
              Quote: Kasym
              1. There would be no nationalist slogans (such as - Ukraine for Ukrainians)
              2. There would be no infringement of nat. minorities

              How can you lie so brazenly?

              Quote: Kasym
              May Downs

              after this phrase I lost all respect for you
              In short, sau bol (come on bye)!
        2. Zymran
          Zymran 5 March 2014 11: 44
          0
          Good afternoon.

          Quote: Kasym
          If our government (Kazakhstan) begins to meet the requirements of only the indigenous population, then we will lose the integrity of our state. Then forget about sovereignty. This is the first conclusion that can be drawn from the events in Ukraine.


          The first conclusion that can be drawn is that Putin was ready to put on all international agreements and, if not for the position of Western countries, he would. And this would mean that the Budapest Memorandum can be safely wiped. For us, this would mean that security guarantees for the abandonment of nuclear weapons cost nothing.
          Give the USA and the EU to Ukraine, then after a while polite people will want to chop off Northern Kazakhstan.

          Quote: Kasym
          The coming to power of nationalists (actually fascists) cannot be an internal affair of any country. This is the second conclusion.


          This is Kremlin propaganda.

          Quote: Kasym
          Here, Cleqq, what flirting with the West leads to (see Putin’s interview for a comparison with a rat laboratory). They actually intervened in the internal affairs of Ukraine (EU and US officials were visible on EUROMAIDAN). They push their foreheads between Russians and Ukrainians.


          Kasym, they would just let Ukraine into the EU, and not try to drive into Taiga. None of this would have happened. Let it be unprofitable, let the Ukrainians not understand their happiness. If such a Kabbalah is in the EU, then they will suffer, but they themselves will return to the fraternal people.

          Quote: Kasym
          I saw two "inaccuracies" in this interview.
          1. That in the Crimea "militia" are operating, and not servicemen of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.


          Google Arman Dosanov. laughing
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 5 March 2014 15: 26
            +4
            Hi, Zymran. So the Russian Federation was silent until the masks were thrown off. She did not take any action. Until Bandera got out. Such statements by the main fighter of the Maidan Yarosh that there are now enough weapons to kill everyone. On the prohibition of languages ​​nat. minorities, about ter. acts in the Russian Federation, about "Jews", about "freedom" trains (or as they called them). So Cleqq needs to throw off rose-colored glasses. And the inscriptions on the doors of the apartments "Mos.kal (Jew) lives here" is not an infringement of the rights of the nat. minorities?
            It is also obvious that Russia will not allow NATO to move further east (flight time is sharply reduced). And this is a security issue. So the West itself forces Putin to extraordinary actions. After all, look that one statement by Putin about the use of the Armed Forces made the West go in every way - they are afraid, and therefore respected. Who are they still so afraid of? They are ready to send anyone, even China.
            Comparison with Kazakhstan is not appropriate. Where are the conclusions that Russia will decide to chop off the lands of the Republic of Kazakhstan? Complete nonsense. Why sit "on treason"? I will trust Putin more (why should they be so stressed? Explain, especially the Parolympiad is still ahead) than the EU and the USA. They are playing the same scenario everywhere, ignoring even the fact that they are dealing with terrorists from al-Qaeda or fascists of Bandera. Isn't it obvious? Examples of the sea: from Yugoslavia to Egypt. Or is it also Russia "muddied". No, friend, these are all tricks of the "highly developed democrats". Therefore, I affirm that the Internet has drastically washed your brains.
            What is the Kremlin's propaganda? I served with guys from Western Ukraine. "Yes, if I join the Komsomol, they will put me on a pitchfork at home!" This is 1987. So he is well aware of Western Ukraine. They were not considered by the Poles and Austro-Hungarians as people. In 1939 the Bolsheviks came after the partition of Poland. But they were already so taken away that they did not believe anyone. Hence nationalism. And the most terry.
            So what am I talking about. Let them fill up with their independence. But the hand of the Russian Federation can no longer lose ground. Putin’s speech in Munich at the conference was not empty words. The Russian Federation is gaining strength and losing ground, as Yeltsin is not going to.
            Zymran, you did not understand me about the "inaccuracies". It is obvious that the soldiers of the Russian Federation are already on the territory of Crimea. But Putin has learned a lesson from Western democrats well. He lies in their eyes. On the one hand, he cannot leave the Russians (this would be a betrayal), on the other hand, he does not want to admit the violation of the UN Charter. They lie to him that the efforts of the West are not directed against the Russian Federation (read Bzezhinsky). And he is lying that this is the militia. Therefore, I put the word inaccuracy in quotation marks. If the Bandera members try to disrupt the referendums (and they will definitely try to do this), he will tear off Crimea (it seems to me that Ukraine has already lost Crimea). If a lot of blood is spilled, then the East will tear it off. hi
            Cleqq, I wanted to spit on your respect. These MayDowns ruin their country and drive them into default under the leadership of Western democrats. Or do you think this script was written spontaneously? Throw off the pink glasses about the West. Otherwise, you yourself will not notice how you will be dressed in rainbow colors. And who are you after our ancestors shed their blood for Ukraine? Whom do you support - fascists? These May Downs are just an instrument in the hands of Yarosh and Co. And how to call them smart, if they put Nazis on their necks. You actually have a tight head. You think only one place.
        3. Yurrra
          Yurrra 5 March 2014 14: 48
          0
          That in the Crimea "militia" are operating, and not servicemen of the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
          It's true. Who exactly is an assumption, but if it’s right to speak early,
          and if not, then what's the difference.
    2. skifd
      skifd 4 March 2014 12: 40
      +16
      Quote: Clegg
      10 UN Theses on Ukraine


      1 thesis according to the UN:
      UN in the form in by whom it abides now HAS NO RIGHT interfere in the internal affairs of Russia.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 4 March 2014 12: 52
        -44%
        Quote: skifd
        DOES NOT RIGHT to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia.

        Crimea is still not an internal affair of Russia.
        1. Belogor
          Belogor 4 March 2014 13: 25
          +21
          Is Ukraine an internal affair of the USA and the EEC?
        2. I_VOIN_I
          I_VOIN_I 4 March 2014 13: 27
          +12
          Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are, there was and will be one people.
        3. Borz
          Borz 4 March 2014 13: 27
          +8
          Russia has declared the protection of the Russian-speaking population of neighboring countries. Is this news for you?
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 4 March 2014 16: 47
            -4
            Quote: Borz
            Russia has declared the protection of the Russian-speaking population of neighboring countries.
            1. delfinN
              delfinN 4 March 2014 17: 07
              +9
              Do you know where these provocateurs come from in the video?
              President of Russia V.V. Putin gave an order to all the Armed Forces of Ukraine to begin at least some resistance to the Russian invaders in Crimea. This was reported by the press service of the Russian President.

              “For several days in a row, our best combat-ready units, according to the self-styled Ukrainian leadership, have been committing military aggression against the so-called“ independent Ukrainian state. ”However, the Ukrainian military units do not even try to portray at least the semblance of any resistance. response to the seizure of military facilities by our paratroopers, Ukrainian servicemen, every 15 minutes, sing the anthem of Ukraine and chant “Glory to Ukraine!” I believe that this behavior of the Ukrainian troops contradicts the Geneva Convention “On the Rules of Conducting War”, the Potsdam Convention “On Compliance with the Rules of Play -off during the conduct of hostilities "and other international treaties to which Ukraine is a party. This is, in fact, a mockery of the soldiers of the Russian army," the President said.
              A joke of humor.
            2. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 4 March 2014 17: 13
              +9
              .
              Visual video of how EuroMaydan provocateurs work.
              .
            3. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 5 March 2014 12: 45
              0
              I’m watching the second video, I revel in literally the calmness of our soldiers, notice the internal not ostentatious
        4. Saratovets
          Saratovets 4 March 2014 13: 29
          +5
          Crimea is part of Russia because of the political intrigues of Khrushchev inherited by Ukraine!
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 41
            -23%
            Quote: Saratovets
            Crimea is part of Russia because of the political intrigues of Khrushchev inherited by Ukraine!

            Crimea is most likely transferred to Ukraine for economic reasons.
            1. Sid.74
              Sid.74 4 March 2014 13: 49
              +7
              Quote: Clegg
              Crimea is most likely transferred to Ukraine for economic reasons.

              Yes, nefig !!! Khrushchev bought a prostitute after Stalin's death with the same "gift" the loyalty of a disunited party where one of the main violins was played by the Ukrainian party, one of the biggest !!!
              So here !!!
            2. illarion
              illarion 4 March 2014 17: 47
              +1
              Since the time of Catherine, there have been no problems, then suddenly seized the same power ......... gives Kemsku volost from the shoulder of the shoulder. So you will not save up any land
            3. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
              Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 5 March 2014 01: 09
              0
              Economy and did not smell. It was necessary to somehow justify himself for the genocide that he had arranged for his own Ukrainian people when he was the first secretary there.
        5. T80UM1
          T80UM1 4 March 2014 13: 49
          -5
          ))) you think that someone is now guided by the ideas of justice and international law pff countries can only have interests, and these interests are first of all formed by force, in this case Russia is stronger and it put on everyone, including the opinion of citizens CIS (mine and yours including)
    3. Good cat
      Good cat 4 March 2014 12: 45
      +9
      If Russia complies with all international agreements, nothing is owed to anyone
    4. strannik595
      strannik595 4 March 2014 12: 46
      +15

      Clegg
      1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.
      who about what, and lousy about the bath .......... Clegg you, I feel, today they will drive you into the skull, with your very original opinion. You are better off on Bandera sites, there they will kiss and hug you ....
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 4 March 2014 12: 53
        +8
        Quote: strannik595

        Clegg
        1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.
        who about what, and lousy about the bath .......... Clegg you, I feel, today they will drive you into the skull, with your very original opinion. You are better off on Bandera sites, there they will kiss and hug you ....

        if you haven't noticed then I will clarify that THIS OPINION IS NOT Clega, but the so-called "shitty" world
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 4 March 2014 13: 07
          +10
          if you haven't noticed then I will clarify that THIS OPINION IS NOT Clega, but the so-called "shitty" world
          .......... with my eyesight, thank God, everything is fine so far, he not only published these theses-opuses, they are consonant with his own speculation. You read his previous comments, for example yesterday and will be in the subject hi Kazakh nationalist of the Bandera spill, he hopes that Kazakhstan will join NATO in order to escape from Putin’s inadequate foreign policy belay
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 22
            -15%
            Quote: strannik595
            he hopes that Kazakhstan will nevertheless join NATO in order to escape from Putin’s inadequate foreign policy

            Well, when the vice speaker of the lower house of the Parliament of the Russian Federation says that Kazakhstan needs to be annexed, we must look for all possible ways to survive and survive. As they say nothing personal.
            1. avg
              avg 4 March 2014 13: 42
              +4
              Quote: Clegg
              Well, when the vice speaker of the lower house of the Parliament of the Russian Federation says that Kazakhstan needs to be annexed, we must look for all possible ways to survive and survive. As they say nothing personal.

              Well, you understand very well what kind of speaker this is. (By the way, this term is great for him) You probably mean that he washed his feet in all the surrounding oceans. So do not worry, there is no ocean in Kazakhstan, and Balkhash, with its scale, is unlikely to interest him. If Putin also referred to statements, for example, by Sarah Palin, candidate for the vice president of the United States, then there would have been no planet earth.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 50
                -7
                Quote: avg
                Well, you understand very well what kind of speaker this is. (By the way, this term is great for him)

                Quote: avg
                That is, we filter the bazaar.

                I would like to believe, but when Luzhkov spoke at the celebration of the anniversary of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, we all thought that it was his personal opinion and the market was being filtered.

                Even Zhirinovsky in 2006 year said that we will bomb Tbilisi, the city was not bombed, but the territory of Georgia was reduced.
                1. Sid.74
                  Sid.74 4 March 2014 13: 57
                  +7
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Even Zhirinovsky in 2006 year said that we will bomb Tbilisi, the city was not bombed, but the territory of Georgia was reduced.

                  Zhirinovsky said a lot of things and what?
                  What is the right for a crappy United States to wage a war in Syria for example!? Or in Iraq or Afghanistan! Or in Yugoslavia or Libya !!!
                  Ugh !!!
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 4 March 2014 14: 10
                    -3
                    Quote: Sid.74
                    What is the right for a crappy United States to wage a war in Syria for example!? Or in Iraq or Afghanistan! Or in Yugoslavia or Libya !!!

                    I am not a defender of the USA, and where does the USA in general? We are discussing the Russian-Ukrainian crisis.

                    And at the expense of the United States, do not forget Putin supported the US aggression against Afghanistan. Moscow did not use the veto in situations of Libya and Yugoslavia. And on Iraq’s account I agree, the USA did not have the right to go there
                    1. Sid.74
                      Sid.74 4 March 2014 14: 40
                      +6
                      Quote: Clegg
                      We are discussing the Russian-Ukrainian crisis.

                      So I’m talking about what the hell Kerry is doing in Kiev! What the hell is threatening us with the isolation of the United States, in the Ukrainian-Russian crisis, this obsessive democracy that the US citizens themselves call the personification of world horror! damn it, did McEin and Brzezinski !!!!!!!
                      1. illarion
                        illarion 4 March 2014 18: 03
                        +5
                        They fed the Ukrainian population, now they will continue to do it too. There is already information that Kerry brought a container to Kiev !!!! real American hamburgers. One was even placed in the Maidan Museum with a guarantee of freshness of 100 years. Not enough for one generation of revolutionaries.
                      2. Clegg
                        Clegg 4 March 2014 18: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: illarion
                        One was even placed in the Maidan Museum with a guarantee of freshness of 100 years.

                        laughing This is serious?
                  2. illarion
                    illarion 4 March 2014 17: 59
                    +1
                    You see, you are a capable person and you have logic, since at least you agree with Iraq. And you say "everything is lost." Just hang out on the site and you will be our friend.
                  3. postman
                    postman 4 March 2014 19: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Clegg
                    don't forget Putin supported US aggression against Afghanistan

                    You distort, it’s easier to say LIE:
                    Resolution 1386 (2001) of December 20, 2001
                    Russian text
                    http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N01/708/57/PDF/N0170857.pdf?OpenEleme

                    nt
                    (even though there is a word about occupation, aggression?)
                    Russia's position

                    US support under partnership in the fight against international terrorism.
                    During the campaign, the Russian Foreign Ministry has repeatedly voiced concern about civilian casualties during a military operation in Afghanistan. In addition, Moscow’s concern was caused by a decrease in the effectiveness of military operations against the Taliban and Al Qaeda in the context of the approaching date for the withdrawal of ISAF from Afghanistan in 2014.
                    Quote: Clegg
                    Moscow did not use the veto in situations of Libya

                    UN a "UN Security Council Resolution 1973" and approved the introduction of a “no-fly zone”,
                    Russian text
                    http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N11/268/41/PDF/N1126841.pdf?OpenEleme

                    nt
                    (even though there is a word about occupation, aggression?)
                    = not a word about the ability of coalition countries to launch air strikes against the troops of the Gaddafi government and conduct limited ground operations.
                    Russia's position

                    Prevention of military intervention in Libya. Involving the opposing forces in the negotiation process

                    Quote: Clegg
                    and Yugoslavia.

                    ?

                    Hostilities held without a UN mandate, the operation is considered illegal and characterized like military aggression (NATO military operations against a sovereign country - Yugoslavia - without the sanction of the UN Security Council violated the UN Charter and international law)
                    23 September 1998 UN Security Council Resolution No. 1199 ( on September 24 NATO has begun planning an air campaign against Yugoslavia to force Belgrade to peace.)
                    Russian text
                    http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N98/279/98/PDF/N9827998.pdf?OpenEleme
                    nt

                    (at least WHAT IS the UN resolution on occupation, is there aggression?)

                    On 12 on April 1999, the parliament of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia attacked by NATO forces voted for the republic to join the union of Russia and Belarus.
                    At an emergency meeting, the Russian parliament fully supported its Serbian colleagues, recommending that President Boris Yeltsin and the government immediately begin preparations for this process. Yeltsin blocked this process.
                  4. afdjhbn67
                    afdjhbn67 5 March 2014 12: 32
                    0
                    the crisis is only purely Ukrainian
            2. illarion
              illarion 4 March 2014 17: 55
              0
              If Putin would also relate to statements, for example, by Sarah Palin, a candidate for vice president of the United States

              I think she would already be deeply pregnant and happy.
    5. Clegg
      Clegg 4 March 2014 12: 54
      -13%
      Quote: strannik595
      Clegg you, I feel, today they will drive you into the skull, with your very original opinion.

      Let rating not matter to me. I want to discuss this issue. I tried not to discuss the Maidan at all, after all, this is an internal affair of the Ukrainians.
      1. Smoke
        Smoke 4 March 2014 17: 49
        +3
        What do you want to discuss? Russian problem? Specifically in Kazakhstan, I have already voiced the problem of Russians to you: if you don’t accept Russian as the state language, North Kazakhstan will, like South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea be separated from you. Nazarbayev is not eternal, and nobody knows what the new president of Kazakhstan will think of in relation to Russians, so accepting the status of the state Russian language is the best guarantee. This is a reality and it is useless to fight with it, your time - Kazakh Ukrainian, etc. Natsik has passed, the Russians are focusing and starting to demand their legal human rights, we don’t want to be either Kazakhs or Bandera or gay men or democrats or communists, we just want to be Russian and we want our rights in those regions where we live to be respected and respected, and if we say that, for example, in Kazakhstan (where there will be more Russian graves than Kazakh graves), the rights of Russians are infringed, then this is the case, please be kind to do something before we ourselves took STOTA. But now the situation with the Russians in Ukraine is on the agenda - thank God that Putin has begun to do at least something in this direction. And we will support him with everything we can.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 4 March 2014 19: 04
          0
          Quote: Smoke
          What do you want to discuss? Russian problem? Specifically in Kazakhstan, I have already voiced the problem of Russians to you: if you don’t accept Russian as the state language, North Kazakhstan will, like South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Crimea be separated from you.

          Well then, we have nowhere to go. We will be waiting for you
  4. Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 4 March 2014 12: 46
    -17%
    For all this, Russia should be VERY ashamed! laughing
    1. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 13: 23
      +9
      I’ll answer as an artist to an artist. So we are all ashamed that we just can’t eat. Be sure to drink before that. But a little.
    2. Black
      Black 4 March 2014 14: 20
      +4
      Quote: Evgeniy-111
      For all this

      For "all"? - for what?
      And why are you so funny then?
      Your country is falling apart into two parts, and you are pulling your forehead. The Lord wants to punish, the mind takes away.
    3. andrey_kz
      andrey_kz 4 March 2014 17: 29
      -3
      And let SAShists be proud that they brought Russia to such a shame
      1. Black
        Black 4 March 2014 20: 00
        +1
        I don’t understand what you call shame?
        I am not ashamed of the country if it stands up for its people, when Natsiks begin to lead them to zero.
        Are you ashamed of us from neighboring regions? How vulnerable you are, however !!!
    4. Mentor
      Mentor 5 March 2014 00: 17
      +2
      For what? For politeness?
  5. Lesnik
    Lesnik 4 March 2014 12: 49
    +4
    Quote: Clegg
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine

    1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.

    2. The government of Ukraine is legitimate. It was elected by the Verkhovna Rada as a constitutional majority. Deputies from the party of Viktor Yanukovych also voted for the new government.

    3. Viktor Yanukovych is no longer the president. He did not comply with the agreement of February 21 and fled the country. A person related to the deaths of more than 90 Ukrainian citizens does not have the right to call himself a legitimate president.

    4. Russia must immediately withdraw its troops from the Crimea. This behavior of the Russian military is unacceptable in the 21st century.

    5. The OSCE mission will study the situation in Ukraine.

    6. Russia is obliged to start negotiations.

    7. For Russia, the consequences of sending troops into the Crimea can be very serious.

    8. Russia does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine. The Ukrainian people have the right to solve their problems.

    9. The Budapest Memorandum and the Political Agreement with Ukraine must be respected. Russia is obliged to respect the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine.

    10. Russia's behavior threatens the security of all of Europe.


    I'm actually not surprised. Armed coup sponsors can NOT do otherwise
    as a result of which it will be necessary to admit that they themselves systematically violate the declared "crap" values
  6. valokordin
    valokordin 4 March 2014 12: 50
    +11
    Quote: Clegg

    3. Viktor Yanukovych is no longer the president. He did not comply with the agreement of February 21 and fled the country. A person related to the deaths of more than 90 Ukrainian citizens does not have the right to call himself a legitimate president.

    Again upside down, and why the president is responsible, not the Nazis. After all, Berkut did not shoot at the rebels, he did not threaten the prosecutor with an automatic gun. Doku Umarov did not call for help. Your 10 points are a lie. And those killed really on the conscience of Yanukovych, who surrendered the Golden Eagle and your SBU, which turned out to be on the side of Bandera.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 24
      -18%
      Quote: valokordin
      Doku Umarov did not call for help.

      I think that this appeal of Yarosh is a provocation. Think, well, such a serious person cannot appeal through a social network.
      1. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 4 March 2014 16: 28
        +7
        Quote: Clegg
        I think that this appeal of Yarosh is a provocation. Think, well, such a serious person cannot appeal through a social network.

        Who is serious here ???
        Dear, If Yarosh is serious for you, then it turns out laughing Sashko Bily is generally an academician !!!
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 4 March 2014 16: 47
          -2
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          Dear, If Yarosh is serious for you,

          I understand your negative attitude towards him, he has 30 thousand detachment of fighters. He actually removed the head of state, whose subordination was the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and special services. And, after that, not a serious person?
          1. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 4 March 2014 20: 42
            +3
            Quote: Clegg
            he has 30 thousand detachment of fighters. He actually removed the head of state

            Somewhat frivolous you have infa! The right sector and Yarosh appeared somewhere in the middle of the Maidan. The owners poured money on him, he started a PR on the Internet, became the leader of the right sector, recruiting through social services. network itself "movement". Someone for the loot, and the majority for the "idea". Maybe his gang has three hundred people, and what "quality" the rest of the fighters are, can be seen on the video from the Kharkov administration. And you mean 30 thousand fighters ...
            Regarding the head of state, so Yanek himself dumped from Ukraine, leaving the security forces and the army, forbade them to use weapons. Hence the result.
            In addition, this serous cheluaek Yarosh twice paraffin! First, I tried to play the Nazi card. The second was trying to enlist the help of Chechen teraryugs.
            How serious is he after that?
            You need to be a moron, so that after that you have business with Yarosh, or negotiate!
            1. Anper
              Anper 5 March 2014 01: 24
              0
              Quote: AlNikolaich
              30 thousand fighters ...

              It can. and 30 thousand, but what kind of things. We in Rivne were carrying a punks for 13-14 years with bats, and they themselves went with AK from the back. As long as the parents did not push this punks, so now they will recruit students under the cameras and rally. There are no cameras - they sit together .This kind of psychological terror, in my opinion.
      2. andrey_kz
        andrey_kz 4 March 2014 17: 32
        +1
        So they have no other connection. Even the decrees of the Rada, the Ministry of Internal Affairs go through social networks
  7. vell.65mail.ru
    vell.65mail.ru 4 March 2014 12: 54
    +2
    How much should Russia?
  8. operrus
    operrus 4 March 2014 12: 58
    +4
    Yes, they at least ss in the eyes of all God's dew. I don’t know where you got these theses from, but I’m sure this will not change our position. I agree with the author, economically, politically and by force it is necessary to help only where they want it, do not want to let them decide for themselves, only when after a while the train leaves late, then they will open their eyes to their actions today, close and not elbow bite, Russia will hardly be able to resort to help every time.
  9. The comment was deleted.
  10. avg
    avg 4 March 2014 13: 01
    +5
    Quote: Clegg
    1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.

    Have you heard about the "trains of friendship"?
    Quote: Clegg
    2. The government of Ukraine is legitimate. It was elected by the Verkhovna Rada as a constitutional majority. Deputies from the party of Viktor Yanukovych also voted for the new government.

    They themselves saw how the deputies, like kittens naughty, were dragged by the scruff to Rada. There they’ll add one more time and make them vote. And for those who refused anyway, they simply took away the cards and pressed the buttons independently.
    I don’t want to comment further.
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 03
      -12%
      Quote: avg
      I don’t want to comment further.

      Though admit that the party of Yanukovych betrayed him
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 4 March 2014 13: 15
        +9
        Quote: Clegg
        Quote: avg
        I don’t want to comment further.

        Though admit that the party of Yanukovych betrayed him


        What is the party of Yanukovych? These are people who systematically robbed their people, who, when threatened to "take away the loot", instantly changed their principles (although I got excited with the word "printsypy" they did not have and will not have them) and expect that they will protect the people of Ukraine from Banderlog at least stupid.
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 4 March 2014 15: 07
          0
          Quote: Forestman
          ich? These are people who systematically robbed their people, who, when threatened to "take away the loot", instantly changed their principles (although I got excited with the word "printsypy" they did not have and will not have them) and expect that they will protect the people of Ukraine from Banderlog at least stupid.

          The answer

          Riddle: Find 3 differences "Party of Regions" and "United Russia"
      2. avg
        avg 4 March 2014 13: 16
        +4
        And who denies this.
        But the deceived people, I don’t take Bandera and the other scum, they’ve fought for Sanko Muzychko, for Sanko Muzychko, and for appointing oligarchs as governors.
        It is generally meaningless to talk about normal people here. They were just unlucky that this time the United States chose their place of residence for another visit to Russia in an attempt to show "who is the boss in the house." And they were answered.
      3. I_VOIN_I
        I_VOIN_I 4 March 2014 13: 31
        +3
        Mmm, probably Yanukovych betrayed the party, although this is probably mutual.
        1. AVIATOR36662
          AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 16: 05
          +1
          He simply did not fully fulfill his direct constitutional duties in full, having all the rights vested in the president to prevent an armed coup in the country. Naturally, and by exhaustive force, especially the intelligence services.
      4. kotvov
        kotvov 4 March 2014 13: 36
        +7
        it’s interesting, but you’ll put a gun on your “smart” head, or threaten your family, but don’t rely on anyone. HOW WILL YOU SING.
      5. illarion
        illarion 4 March 2014 18: 27
        +2
        Someone probably betrayed, someone (Simonenko) set the house on fire and didn’t have it during the vote, although his card voted, Herman was simply taken away the card. And everything is fine, especially with black glasses, so that people with bats do not see.
        By the way, the question arose: after some time it will be necessary to erect monuments to the Maidan fighters. Will they also be with bats and muzzles? Or you can save: one monument to pile and then multiply. Who will figure out whose relative it was. For children, however, it will be necessary to explain that this is not a homegrown baseball player, but a hero: he killed the policemen. And since the police will no longer be (she is dissolved), you also need to pile the killed police officer. Although I would add a platform for corpses next to it, there will be an updated exposition. A Hero -one alone.
        In vain you and Lenin were demolished: you could use it. Instead of putting a bit of a cap in your hand, a helmet and a mask on your head. Who will notice the substitution? But in Ukraine, in Kharkov, there would be the largest monument to the Hero of the Maidan in Europe. Tourists would stretch, paraphernalia all other benefits in the form of currency. You think.
    2. Anper
      Anper 4 March 2014 13: 50
      +2
      Quote: avg
      deputies, like kittens naughty, dragged for a scruff in Rada

      Bone Pankivsky, head of the Ukrainian government 1941 g., anti-Soviet, Russophobe.
      Political intelligence in those days had no value. The first and only role was played only by passions and emotions. The Organization (OUN) has arrogated the right to be a peremptory judge to all whose activities did not coincide with their activities. Tireless demagogy was still a very soft weapon against those who did not obey. Terror against his own countrymen ... widely used ... on behalf of the organization ... became an act of faith, a proof of noble thoughts, patriotism and was morally justified. Aliens and their own, real and imaginary enemies had to be irrevocably destroyed.
  11. The comment was deleted.
  12. The comment was deleted.
  13. Neophyte
    Neophyte 4 March 2014 13: 05
    +8
    This is the kind of nonsense that the Ukrainian media cover.
    for each item. Lies in everything! Fascinated media,
    part of the population of Ukraine naive people who believe that
    now, they will heal richly and happily.
    Well, well! We have to go through the beginning of the Holodomor and start
    to think! For a real Ukrainian on an interview video
    corrupt media - the highest praise!
  14. Darek
    Darek 4 March 2014 13: 14
    +3
    Quote: Clegg
    For Russia, the consequences of sending troops into the Crimea can be very serious.


    And what are the consequences?

    Quote: Clegg
    The Budapest Memorandum and the Political Agreement with Ukraine must be respected. Russia is obliged to respect the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine.


    That's respected. But what does the Crimea have to do with it? I'm not talking about Sevastopol. Or does the opinion of the inhabitants of Crimea mean nothing?

    Quote: Clegg
    Russia's behavior threatens the security of all of Europe.


    How is this?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 38
      -5
      Quote: Darek
      And what are the consequences?

      Economic sanctions, international isolation, the MICEX and RTS stock exchanges fell by 10 and 12%, respectively. The war will affect all of you, you will pay. Simple Russian taxpayer.

      Quote: Darek
      That's respected. But what does the Crimea have to do with it? I'm not talking about Sevastopol. Or does the opinion of the inhabitants of Crimea mean nothing?

      There are two treaties: the Budapest memorandum and the friendship treaty with Ukraine, according to which Russia pledged to respect the territorial integrity formed in 1991.

      Quote: Darek
      How is this?

      Ukraine is part of Europe.
      1. GP
        GP 4 March 2014 13: 46
        +2
        Quote: Clegg
        Ukraine is part of Europe.

        The concept of "Europe" is too vague to say so.
      2. Sid.74
        Sid.74 4 March 2014 13: 52
        +1
        Quote: Clegg
        Ukraine is part of Europe.

        Ural is also part of Europe !!! Argue !!!
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 55
          -1
          Quote: Sid.74
          Ural is also part of Europe !!! Argue !!!

          A certain part of Russia is also Europe and no one disputes this fact. Therefore, a possible conflict between fraternal peoples is a threat to the stability of Europe.
          1. Sid.74
            Sid.74 4 March 2014 14: 03
            +3
            Quote: Clegg
            the threat to the stability of Europe.

            I put the bolt on the stability of Europe and their arrogant opinion! No one
            I did not ask "Old" Europe as well as Yugoslavia, whether they want war or disintegrate !!! hi
          2. andrey_kz
            andrey_kz 4 March 2014 17: 37
            +2
            And Europe is part of Eurasia, and so on, BUT NOT RUSSIA rocked the situation.
  15. I_VOIN_I
    I_VOIN_I 4 March 2014 13: 28
    +1
    All theses are false to hypocrisy.
  16. Saratovets
    Saratovets 4 March 2014 13: 28
    0
    For what minus to the person, I simply quoted theses!
  17. IRBIS
    IRBIS 4 March 2014 13: 29
    +4
    Quote: Clegg
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine

    Sorry, but, judging by your theses, you are either blind and deaf disabled, or disabled after a traumatic brain injury. Although, most likely, just from these same "followers" of Bandera and Shushkevich. I dare to remind you of their sad fate.
    And about the "seriousness" of the consequences, you tell your grandmother - you scared the hedgehog with your bare butt. Dry rusks, soon again in the woods ...
  18. kotvov
    kotvov 4 March 2014 13: 30
    +1
    as I understand it, you’re a deputy of Kerry, or you flipped it at Ilyich, with 10 theses. You should go to Bander’s sites, but here it’s ga..o you’re hanging out in the hole.
  19. 222222
    222222 4 March 2014 13: 31
    0
    Clegg (2) KZ Today, 12:32
    "10 UN theses on Ukraine" .. and one thesis on "Batkovshchina" ..
    Tell me: "Can the all-Ukrainian union" Batkovshchina "come to power in Ukraine through elections? Only honestly and without cunning .."
    what comes from her struggle for the greatest power
    2004 g-Maidan and the rise to power. Yushchenko President and Tymoshenko Prime Minister. After 5 years, Yushchenko had a 3% rating .. and a bunch of jokes .. Tymoshenko lasted from January 24, 2005 - September 8, 2005. then a series of premieres and a recession ..
    -2007 g dereban of the Supreme Council by collecting signatures and re-election.
    -2014 Mr. new Maidan and the coming to power of Arseniy Yatsenyuk., Who waxed with his party "front of change" and replaced Yulia as the leader in the unification .. and the right hand of Tymoshenko-Turchinov, who became the IO President of Ukraine ..
    And another stupid question is whether it is legal to create various associations of parties in the struggle for a higher power .. Or is it better to adopt the Law so that each party, if it is truly a party, goes to the polls with its own program ?? And then some kind of coalition ???
  20. Anper
    Anper 4 March 2014 13: 33
    +1
    Quote: Clegg
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine

    This is how the Maydan’s all answer. But only when it coincides with their opinion. And if not, then the article says perfectly well that
    they just refuse to look and think. Instead, a thick, emotionally charged fog reigns in their heads. How is it possible to do this with an entire country, even if the oligarchs have control over the media for many years? This topic at the intersection of media science and psychiatry is still waiting for its researcher.
  21. postman
    postman 4 March 2014 13: 41
    +3
    Quote: Clegg
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine

    1. TRUE !!! BUT ONLY a homosexual minority RIGHTS are not violated !!! They are not offended
    And so: "willows on knives", "Who does not jump, he is" (and if I can not jump?), "" Berkut "asked for asylum for their families from Russia" (and the Berkut people are a minority?), "Russian invaders - get out of Ukraine "
    People are not killed? To here: http: //mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/main/ru/index
    Three inspectors of the traffic police died.
    February 18 to March 2, 2014, 16 employees of the internal affairs bodies were killed in the line of duty:
    http://mvs.gov.ua/mvs/control/main/ru/publish/article/989615

    2. The Government of Ukraine is a legitimate-ATTENTIVE CONSTITUTION of UKRAINE ...
    and so there’s a wonderful video on the Maidan (whether this minister loves you or not)

    3.Viktor Yanukovych is no longer president: impeachment was? resignation who saw the thread?
    ran away from the country.: Government of Poland (what is in England), Norwegian king, Danish government, de Gaulle (during WW2), Kampuchea, Nicaragua, Phillipines, etc. A LOT of governments, presidents, kings-in EXILE, who left their country
    "heavenly hundred""Sign to the call!": Who shot the soldiers of the Heavenly Hundred in cold blood?. The investigation is "underway" (very strange, no ballistic, no traceability, no other examinations, exhumation of corpses? Medical report?)
    4. Russia should immediately ?
    and introduced?
    and the US should not immediately withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan?
    Quote: Clegg
    This behavior of the military USA unacceptable in the 21st century

    5. Mandatory + UN Commission +
    6. Russia is obliged to start negotiations.
    and who refuses?
    with whom?
    negotiation subject? (15 billion loan?)
    7. only troops have not yet been entered.
    8.Russia does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine.
    as well as the United States, with the EEC. WHO (whose ambassadors?) SPEAKED on the Independence Square with prizes to overthrow the power of the legally elected ?.
    Zurabov (zhadoba) didn’t even feed Yanukovych’s liver. Neutrality -100%
    9. Necessary: so far no paragraph of the memorandum has been violated !!! and the Political Treaty is the same
    10. Behavior ... threatens
    ?
    At the Olympics, or what? and what was that?
    ?
    Or is the fact that Romania suddenly forgot about territorial claims against Ukraine is a threat to the security of Europe?
  22. Horn
    Horn 4 March 2014 14: 04
    +2
    Clause 1 of the Word. Murders on the streets of law enforcement officers, the presence on the streets of armed people who are NOT military personnel and employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, wearing masks to make identification difficult are NOT words.
    p. 2 When a ground squirrel is poured into a hole, he also voluntarily climbs out.
    p.3 Yaroshi and other maydanutye are related to the death of Berkut employees? They are ALSO citizens of Ukraine. You did not fulfill the agreement: you started to kill, instead of negotiating, as it was in the agreement
    p.4 Why is this? The people are against. Maidan law, however.
    p.5 In Yugoslavia already studied. Where is that Yugoslavia?
    item 6. Why? Who will force? The people are against (see Maidan).
    p.7 Sound, pzhlst, the whole list ...
    p.8 So people decide!
    Item 9 And Ukraine is also obliged. It was necessary to "follow the bazaar"!
    p.10 What? The fact that the Galician fascists will flee to Poland and there will be engaged in the usual thing - to kill children and women?
  23. Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 4 March 2014 15: 00
    +2
    Russia just protects the legally elected president and the government, and the people who chose such a president, and the putschists are always wrong, because they come to power by force and not by dialogue, which neither Yatsenyuk nor Tymoshenko nor Klitschko did. There is nothing to talk about the latter, a person who is far from being a politician by creativity, who has also lived interestingly abroad in the USA for most of his life, what right does he have to decide the fate of millions?

    If the new government were really chosen by a single people, then there would be no dissatisfied with the "Maidan" in Donetsk, Kharkiv and Crimea. And this, by the way, is not a minority.

    The situation in Afghanistan in the 80s, there are Taliban and there are not Taliban. Everyone knows who won and how it ended after the withdrawal of Soviet troops.
  24. igor36
    igor36 4 March 2014 15: 24
    +2
    Quote: Clegg
    1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.

    140 thousand refugees from Ukraine in Russia, fiction?
    Quote: Clegg
    2. The government of Ukraine is legitimate. It was elected by the Verkhovna Rada as a constitutional majority. Deputies from the party of Viktor Yanukovych also voted for the new government.

    Article 114. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine includes the Prime Minister of Ukraine, the First Deputy Prime Minister, three Deputy Prime Ministers, and ministers.
    Prime Minister of Ukraine is appointed President of Ukraine with the consent of more than half of the constitutional composition of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
    The staff of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine is appointed President of Ukraine on the proposal of the Prime Minister of Ukraine.
    Quote: Clegg
    3. Viktor Yanukovych is no longer the president. He did not comply with the agreement of February 21 and fled the country. A person related to the deaths of more than 90 Ukrainian citizens does not have the right to call himself a legitimate president.

    And who performed it? Opposition? And How? The deathlessness of more than 90 people is to blame for those lawless people who share power on the Maidan, and Yanukovych is to blame for the fact that he is too soft for the President and did not give the order to shoot these gangs.
    Quote: Clegg
    4. Russia must immediately withdraw its troops from the Crimea. This behavior of the Russian military is unacceptable in the 21st century.

    Inadmissible by whom? You ask those who democratized Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, and before that Grenada, Panama, etc.
    Quote: Clegg
    5. The OSCE mission will study the situation in Ukraine.

    Yes, for God's sake let him study, who is against?
    Quote: Clegg
    6. Russia is obliged to start negotiations.

    With whom? With chaos-terrorists like Muzychko? AK-74 will conduct negotiations with them.
    Quote: Clegg
    8. Russia does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine.
    The Ukrainian people have the right to solve their problems.

    And he decides. Legally elected representatives of the Ukrainian people asked Russia to help maintain territorial integrity after the seizure of power in Kiev.
  25. heathen
    heathen 4 March 2014 16: 06
    +5
    all these 10 theses are just lies and threats.

    1. On the second day in Kiev, the traffic police post was shot from machine guns. Avakov whimpers that the police are demoralized and afraid to go on patrol. Rudeness, threats and assault for disloyal views - in the order of things. Militants of the right sector, the new Hitler Youth, go in droves, guarding from their impunity and permissiveness. In general, everything is fine marquise ...

    2 and 3. This most legitimate government in the world came to power on the batons of fascist youths, violating the treaty of February 21 the very next day after its signing. How could the legitimate president have fulfilled it, when already on the 22nd the militants went to storm the parliament? All he could do was save himself from reprisals. The parliament, under the unprecedented forceful pressure of the putschists on the deputies, suddenly abruptly changed its positions and almost unanimously began to vote for all even openly idiotic projects of the former opposition. The president was "removed" in violation of all conceivable legal procedures. His functions and the functions of the head of parliament began to be performed by the same person (Hitler was the last to do the same). In short, it is the most beautiful government, vigorously reporting on 100% payment of pensions and salaries, but at the same time declaring that there is no money in the treasury.

    4. The behavior of the Russian military - assistance to the fraternal people - is unacceptable, and the entry of American and NATO troops into the sovereign and very distant from them Iraq and Afghanistan is permissible?

    5. Yes, even the CIA and Mi-6. I’ll predict the results of this study at least now. The answer is already written for them at the end of the textbook.

    6. I think Russia is happy to start negotiations on the surrender of militants led by pro-Western agents of influence.

    7. Probably Putin is already trembling ... From a barely restrained laughter.

    8. The Ukrainian people are not only Galician wuiks. It is also Kharkov, Donbass, Crimea. This is a large number of pro-Russian people in the central regions of Ukraine, they are not organized, divided and intimidated, the authorities left them to be torn to pieces, but they have no less right to their opinion. In particular, to wish for the arrival of Russian troops, which would free them from Western fascists.

    9. The answer to this thesis is already contained in the article.
    Yanukovych’s own powers are not contested, since, according to Ukrainian legislation, he must put his signature on the Rada’s decision on his own resignation. Not to mention that the Rada, which stamps the law surrounded by thugs with bats, is not a legitimate parliament.
    In turn, the Crimea announced the recognition of Yanukovych as president. This means that the legitimate authority of Ukraine controls only a part of the country, and its integrity is threatened.
    Further, Russia acts as the guarantor of the integrity of Ukraine under the 1994 Budapest Memorandum. In fact, this memorandum now obliges Russia to expel Bandera from Kiev and eliminate the threat of a split in Ukraine.


    10. Europe had to think with its own head before getting into this mess. They wanted to fuck. Now, the late man is rushing about - the floor is painted.
  26. illarion
    illarion 4 March 2014 17: 44
    0
    "And if anything, we will call Sportloto." Bl * n, I don't even want to argue.
  27. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 4 March 2014 20: 38
    0
    Clegg
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine


    and what do you spread it to us? I would have told you, even without reading the words from the above memorandum, I would have spoken word for word everything that they can say)) but what did you expect them to write
    UN states that
    -Kyiv authorities are not valid because they seized power with the help of illegal ultranationalist gangs
    -Russia well done doing everything right so keep NATO on your side push the fascist government
    Well, something like that)) laughing
    Now, if there were such theses in the United Nations, I would probably be scared)) and since everything is going on properly they give how much they can afford it we defend ourselves defend the Russian people throughout the former USSR there is a confrontation between the values ​​of the east and the west who controls the United Nations, and if not, then you don’t need to hang this diploma here that everything will be written there and so in the know
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 4 March 2014 12: 34
    +13
    Quote: 1
    However, now, unfortunately, it’s time for us to stop trying to do good to Ukraine. The infection must devour itself.

    There is not enough strength for this:
    Ukraine’s Permanent Representative to the UN, Yuriy Sergeev, publicly acquitted the Ukrainian nationalists on Monday, saying that the accusations against them represented by the USSR at the Nuremberg trials were falsified. "The Russian - Soviet side at that time tried to put pressure on the Western allies to recognize the Bandera and other murderers. Why did the Nuremberg trials not recognize this? Because the facts were falsified, because the position of the Soviet Union at that time was unfair," the diplomat said to journalists.
    And what else can be explained to such people with castration of the brain?
    ?
    1. Sid.74
      Sid.74 4 March 2014 12: 40
      +9
      History always returns to the beginning !!!!!!
    2. jjj
      jjj 4 March 2014 12: 40
      +7
      The West is systematically working to review the outcome of World War II
    3. Good cat
      Good cat 4 March 2014 12: 47
      +2
      His real name is Yuri Sergeev ???
  • Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 4 March 2014 12: 34
    +9
    It all started long before the 90s ...
    In the mid-80s, during the "urgent" service in the SA, I had a chance to "communicate" with a conscript from Western Ukraine. So he could not look at the Russians - they immediately began to sprinkle drool on the topic of "damned to her." And until 1994. it was still 10 years old ...
  • RUSS
    RUSS 4 March 2014 12: 35
    +3
    Quote: zol1
    Russia lost the information war again.


    Perhaps the first battle and lost, but no war.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 4 March 2014 12: 36
    +22
    Eh, Adolf, well, you were all good for your own people, but you didn’t set up an “information blockade” in time. The Americans took your lesson into account.
  • Kazakh
    Kazakh 4 March 2014 12: 37
    +5
    we should stop trying to do good to Ukraine. In any other case, they will hang all the dogs on their rescuers and will never forgive them.
    You need to wait a bit who is with us who are not dreaming of Europe, it's their choice to let them get their mind
    1. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 12: 54
      +3
      For this, the GDP pauses. And it will be as always, a good example is Bulgaria. Zhirinovsky also said it well. Twice Russia saved them from almost complete cutting, twice in both world wars Bulgaria fought on the enemy’s side, and now Bulgaria is a NATO member in general. A good deal is a weekend after a weekend. Don’t do well, they won’t do you badly. The author correctly warns against trying to try to do good to Ukraine.
  • Alexandr 2
    Alexandr 2 4 March 2014 12: 37
    +1
    If the Banderaites are not driven out of the East of Ukraine, then a real civil war could break out in Ukraine. Scattered and armed units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will greatly contribute to this. Most likely, everything will start with the fact that radical forces will go from Kiev to "restore order" to the East. In the chaos that has arisen due to hostilities, heavy weapons from combat units can easily fall into their hands, in addition, many servicemen from the cities of Western Ukraine can join them. Considering the huge arsenals, which, although decently plundered and sold out in 20 years of independence, they will be quite enough to cause irreparable damage to the state and kill many people.
    1. Platov
      Platov 4 March 2014 13: 25
      +2
      No banderlog will go anywhere, any attempt to do something openly will be stopped by the RF Armed Forces, they all know that. And the West will be grateful for the prevention of massacre, so soon the banderlogs after releasing the steam will clog into their dens, from where their SBU will quietly pick out. And the organizers of the rebellion themselves will flee to their masters.
  • Sova
    Sova 4 March 2014 12: 38
    +21


    Crimeans sang a good song
    1. godun
      godun 4 March 2014 14: 10
      +2
      Hooked, good song! It needs to be turned around the clock across all Ukrainian media ...
    2. cumastra1
      cumastra1 4 March 2014 15: 30
      +2
      once a swan, pike cancer ....
    3. cumastra1
      cumastra1 4 March 2014 15: 30
      0
      once a swan, pike cancer ....
  • RUS96
    RUS96 4 March 2014 12: 38
    +29
    Great news comrades. Russia will be forced to withdraw from the dollar if sanctions are imposed by the United States, RIA Novosti reports.

    The corresponding statement was made on Tuesday by Russian presidential adviser on regional economic integration Sergei Glazyev.

    “We will be forced to go to other currencies, to create our own settlement and payment system. We have excellent trade and economic relations with our partners in the East and South, and we will find a way to not only nullify our financial dependence on the United States, but also get out of these sanctions with great benefit for ourselves, ”he said.

    According to him, if the United States decides to freeze the accounts of Russian enterprises and citizens, Moscow may recognize the impossibility of repaying those loans that were given to Russian structures by American banks.

    “After all, sanctions are a double-edged weapon, and if the US freezes our assets, then, respectively, the liabilities of our organizations in dollars will also be frozen. This means that our banks and enterprises will not repay loans to American partners, ”he said.

    On Tuesday, US President Barack Obama, at a meeting with national security advisers, discussed possible steps for further diplomatic and economic isolation of Russia.
    1. jjj
      jjj 4 March 2014 12: 44
      +8
      Crazy news!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 4 March 2014 12: 57
        +6
        Quote: jjj
        Crazy news!

        I totally agree !! So they figured out the options !!
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 4 March 2014 13: 07
          +2
          Hi hello drinks yesterday your bubble is very useful drinks
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 4 March 2014 14: 43
            +1
            Quote: Forestman
            Hello yura yesterday your bubble is very useful

            Ta-a-ak ... Already began to drink my! It's time to tie! yes
            1. Lesnik
              Lesnik 4 March 2014 14: 54
              +1
              rzhunemagu ..... laughing
      2. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 4 March 2014 13: 10
        +5
        The Americans will not allow this. Here they will lay down their bones, but they will not allow the dollar to be abandoned. This is a precedent that will cause an avalanche that the Americans will no longer be able to control. It is easier for the Americans to give us Ukraine and half of Poland, because it is clear that no one is fighting with Russia openly will not.
      3. MBA78
        MBA78 4 March 2014 16: 39
        0
        and then sell frozen bugs is possible ...
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 4 March 2014 12: 52
      +6
      Not so long ago, they were already trying to freeze all Russian enterprises ... And when they thought, they figured out what would happen if we close: Ford, gm, Coca-Pepsi-Cola, a huge amount of tobacco factories, etc. They quickly came to their senses ...
    3. Oleg Sobol
      Oleg Sobol 4 March 2014 12: 55
      +2
      A Kremlin source called adviser Putin's statements his personal opinion

      12: 3704.03.2014 (updated: 12: 50 04.03.2014) 17828544
      Glazyev said that in the event of the imposition of sanctions by the United States, the Russian Federation will be forced to withdraw to other currencies and create its own settlement and payment system. A senior source in the Kremlin emphasized that this was a personal opinion of the presidential adviser, and that it did not correspond to the position of the Kremlin.

      MOSCOW, 4 Mar. - RIA Novosti. A senior source in the Kremlin, in response to a request from RIA Novosti, to comment on statements by Russian presidential adviser Sergei Glazyev on financial relations between the Russian Federation and the United States, emphasized that this was his personal opinion and did not correspond to the Kremlin’s position.

      The agency’s interlocutor added that Glazyev apparently expressed his version as an academician, and not as an adviser to the president.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20140304/998059673.html#ixzz2uyyql2vu
      1. STALGRAD76
        STALGRAD76 4 March 2014 13: 16
        +2
        He declared a very concrete and authoritative comrade. [i] Sergey Yuryevich Glazyev (b. 1 January 1961, Zaporozhye, USSR) - Russian economist, politician, adviser to the President of the Russian Federation V. Putin on regional economic integration [1],
        And who is "High-ranking source" ?? And by whom is he placed high (did he turn oohrin in the attack?) ??
      2. Patton5
        Patton5 4 March 2014 13: 34
        0
        Here the main fact is that a high-ranking source in the Kremlin .... HU FROM IT? Maybe there is a cleaning lady !? They usually know all the best! request
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 4 March 2014 16: 02
          +4
          Quote: Patton5
          They usually know all the best!

          The unit commander comes home, and his wife from the doorway says to him:
          - Well, disband your unit?
          - What are you! Nothing like this! Where did you get this ?!
          - Baba Manya said in the bazaar.
          - All this lies! Part of how it stood, and will stand. I am the commander, I know better!
          The next day he comes home:
          - Lyusya, go to the market, find out from Baba Mani where I am being transferred ...
        2. AVIATOR36662
          AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 17: 07
          0
          Any cleaning lady in the Kremlin has more connections and opportunities than, for example, a regional general. Communications decide everything. Well, or 99,99%!
      3. wax
        wax 4 March 2014 13: 57
        0
        Well, of course, you can’t immediately from the Kremlin, but to think, Glazyev said. And you can be sure that not everything was said. Whether we want it or not, but we can’t do it alone with the States. We leave the choice to them, i.e. if they are in favor of crushing us by all available means, then we will have no choice, and, most importantly, we will adequately take a hit. This is our last and decisive battle.
    4. saruman
      saruman 4 March 2014 13: 03
      +4
      Glazyev - well done!
    5. The comment was deleted.
    6. wax
      wax 4 March 2014 13: 50
      +2
      Today, Glazyev is the most competent and honest person for the post of Prime Minister. Perhaps Primakov will be stronger.
  • hawkeye
    hawkeye 4 March 2014 12: 39
    +17
    All kinds of propaganda, different from Kiev, was blocked a long time ago, this was done in advance. The brain has been washed in Ukraine since the 90s, you can imagine what could have remained there. Kiev propaganda - read western, but these guys know the matter!
    1. GP
      GP 4 March 2014 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: hawkeye
      read western


      read Polish ... for those who are west of her Ukraine somehow on the drum. And this is the only country of "Europe" with manic stubbornness cultivating a blood interest in the mess in Ukraine and Belarus. This hell of Europe is trying to grab a piece by any means. All Bandera dregs surprisingly coincide with the map of the Ukrainian part of the 1st Commonwealth (plis-minus kilometer), and the South-East and Crimea are part of Russia and Turkey, respectively. We draw conclusions.
    2. Orik
      Orik 4 March 2014 13: 24
      0
      Quote: hawkeye
      All kinds of propaganda, different from Kiev, was blocked a long time ago, this was done in advance. The brain has been washed in Ukraine since the 90s, you can imagine what could have remained there. Kiev propaganda - read western, but these guys know the matter!

      As long as the state of Ukraine exists, they washed, washed and will be washed because ANY (!!!) of the Ukrainian government is necessary to strengthen their own positions, otherwise the natural craving of a single people for each other makes their power NOT NEEDED!
  • Kisso4kin
    Kisso4kin 4 March 2014 12: 40
    +16
    First and foremost, in parallel with political steps, it is necessary to physically eliminate the leaders of the Nazis. After continue to control the emergence of new ones and, accordingly, destroy again, because it is a cancerous tumor ... NO TO NAZISM AND FASCISM !!!
    1. Platov
      Platov 4 March 2014 13: 37
      +1
      There is nothing to be done except in antiquity, to close them somewhere in a barrel for self-sufficiency and let them bite each other like rats.
    2. RND
      RND 4 March 2014 13: 39
      0
      Quote: Kisso4kin
      First and foremost, in parallel with political steps, it is necessary to physically eliminate the leaders of the Nazis. After continue to control the emergence of new ones and, accordingly, destroy again, because it is a cancerous tumor ... NO TO NAZISM AND FASCISM !!!

      Everything is correct, but it is possible and simpler (as they deserve) - "soak in the toilets."
  • Fox
    Fox 4 March 2014 12: 41
    0
    yes, they were NEVER normal! g bags and poltava are breeding grounds for nationalist-fascist infection since the 80s! from Zhitomir, a woman worked for us (in Togliatti) in the 90s, everything was shouting, which Ukraine is independent and feeds everything to Russia ... and now , having married the "damned me" and having transported mom, she sings the same. Zapadentsy-normal guys were.NONE of them voted about mov and other hreni.da watch the video: everyone is looking for evil zapadentsev, they find it from Poltava, but from the sum.
    1. Orik
      Orik 4 March 2014 13: 37
      +2
      Quote: Fox
      yes, they were NEVER normal! g bags and poltava are breeding grounds for nationalist-fascist infection since the 80s! from Zhitomir, a woman worked for us (in Togliatti) in the 90s, everything was shouting, which Ukraine is independent and feeds everything to Russia ... and now , having married the "damned me" and having transported mom, she sings the same. Zapadentsy-normal guys were.NONE of them voted about mov and other hreni.da watch the video: everyone is looking for evil zapadentsev, they find it from Poltava, but from the sum.

      Stop writing crap, Poltava and the Zhytomyr region are two big differences, I have an aunt in Poltava with my wife in the Zhytomyr region.
      I talked with my aunt on Saturday, Poltava region not far from Kremenchug. The situation is as follows, she is a pensioner, the granddaughter is a teacher ALREADY money in the form of pensions and salaries DOES NOT RECEIVE, when they give no one says. There are no small orcs, but someone burned a little of the tires and dropped the blank. My brother works in Kremenchug TWO times a week, warehouses and workshops are full of finished products, there is no sales. In a conversation she said that even during the union, Bandera called them the inhabitants of the Poltava region ... MOS.KALYAMI (!!!), she asked me "what will happen, now you will take us to Russia" with hope!
      My wife’s relatives were in 2012, my aunt is fine, but my brother, who is a history teacher by birth, born in 1968, is a trouble of independence, Ukrainians are rushing.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 4 March 2014 12: 42
    +25
    Three main rules when approaching a place where there may be a den and in places where Bears are found to stay alive and healthy:

    1. NEVER wake a sleeping Bear! Go around his den! The forest is large, walk where there are no tracks of the Bear. No Bear - no problem! You...

    2. If you still woke the Bear, then freeze, do not move, pretend to be a branch, a birch - there is a hope that he will not notice you. In no case do not start to wave threateningly arms and objects similar to weapons. And do not yell at him. It will not help, but it will definitely attract his attention. And you will not like it. And the Bear will like it. He will eat. You.

    3. If you turned out to be so stupid or arrogant that you still managed to attract the Bear's attention, then just run! Where the eyes look. And as fast as you've never run! And while you run, pray. But not about the Bear not catching up with you, but about the soul. Because the Bear will need exactly as much time to catch up with you as the short prayer lasts ... If the Bear is full, he will simply cripple you, if he is hungry, he will kill and eat you. Either way, the Bear will have fun, but you won't. "
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 4 March 2014 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: Al_lexx
      then just run! Where the eyes look. And as fast as you never ran! And while you run, pray

      I will add to this from myself:
      "But while running away - remember that no one else just managed to escape and you will not be a happy exception."
      Quote: Al_lexx
      Either way, the Bear will have fun, but you won't. "

      "It can also be fun for the doctors to get a piece of birch out of your ass. And remember, this birch joke is not the funniest of the bear's set of jokes."
  • stroporez
    stroporez 4 March 2014 12: 43
    +3
    The infection must devour itself.
    +100500
  • Ustian
    Ustian 4 March 2014 12: 43
    +9
    If the South-East will eventually be released by pensioners left without pensions, this will fall on its inhabitants with indelible disgrace.
    I would add shame to the young and healthy part of the inhabitants of the Southeast!
    1. Riperbahn
      Riperbahn 4 March 2014 12: 48
      +5
      It’s a shame if pensioners with sticks go to drive Bandera, and the young and healthy again sit under the bed in the hope that they will even be able to figure it out!
      1. Ustian
        Ustian 4 March 2014 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: Riperbahn
        It’s a shame if pensioners with sticks go to drive Bandera, and the young and healthy again sit under the bed in the hope that they will even be able to figure it out!

        Today's youthhorsegoddamned fighters (horsetristika) fellow
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 4 March 2014 12: 44
    +2
    Yes, because they must because there are three fighters for one kid’s bend! It was necessary not to play the demo but cruelly to disperse.
    And then, after all, the vultures flew to this Maidan, saw the bastards, oh ....! in Kiev dough can be cut down!
    So they hit.
  • Klim2011
    Klim2011 4 March 2014 12: 44
    +5
    Andrey, thank you for the balanced and thoughtful article!
    Need help those who ask for your help, otherwise the help will be perceived as violence.
  • individual
    individual 4 March 2014 12: 47
    +1
    The next move for the people of Ukraine!
  • made13
    made13 4 March 2014 12: 47
    +19
    In Sevastopol, we recently spoke with a saleswoman in a store, she is Ukrainian from western Ukraine - she has many close relatives in western women. So - they don’t answer calls, they deleted them from friends in social networks. These people deprived us of the right to their own opinion, although we are guided by the same maidan right as they are. Only they are the heavenly hundred, and we are separatists. The main thing for us is not to let this infection into the Crimea, otherwise in 10 years there will be no Russians or Tatars left here.
    1. Platov
      Platov 4 March 2014 13: 43
      0
      "otherwise, in 10 years there will be no Russians or Tatars left here." otherwise Turkey will decide who will live there if the Russian Black Sea Fleet leaves there.
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 16: 13
        0
        In Odessa, they would say: "Oh, I beg you. We will wait until Easter."
  • stayer
    stayer 4 March 2014 12: 47
    +22
    The most offensive (not fair) in my humble opinion. That the Southeast expects Russia to knock out bandits from the capital and other cities. But why should Russia do this with the blood of its soldiers? I understand everything, brothers, etc. but at least do something yourself in this direction.
    Ready to take cons.
    1. Saratovets
      Saratovets 4 March 2014 13: 38
      +1
      Because in due time after the collapse of the USSR we passed Crimea!
    2. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 4 March 2014 17: 41
      +2
      and for what cons to throw? everything is correct - you made the cut yourself - fix it yourself. first they chose Yanukovych as their president, then they practically sat out for 3 months. while cheerful lads from Z. Ukraine set fire to Kiev and threw themselves at the Berkut and VV, now - "save-help", but helping means giving additional power, and not completely replacing himself, and the "helped" will stand aside while the assistant it whips for him, it's already called differently. now South-East Ukraine and Abkhazia are often compared with South Ossetia. there is a big difference between them, because the Abkhaz and Ossetians for almost 20 years themselves, with the help of Russia, built their states and did not hide behind the back of Russia. While Crimea is still actively resisting, other units are still swinging. 200 sectors arrived in Kharkov and calmly seized the state administration, and the police also guarded them until the people began to throw out, and the governor switched to an emergency turnout. This not normal. sorry if it's messy,
  • drei612
    drei612 4 March 2014 12: 47
    -34%
    It would not happen that everyone who opposes corruption suddenly turns out to be Bandera, and Putinoids want to present the matter in this way. Putin provocateurs are already working hard, wreaking havoc in Ukraine.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 4 March 2014 13: 02
      +10
      Quote: drei612
      putinoids ... wreaking havoc in Ukraine

      Izya! What do you call chaos, the doctor calls positive dynamics! yes Well, if you certainly do not agree to be treated, then the doctor will leave ...
    2. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 4 March 2014 13: 15
      +8
      Quote: drei612
      Putin provocateurs are already working hard, wreaking havoc on Ukraine
      - Oh, one more UN provocateur! laughing
    3. RND
      RND 4 March 2014 13: 43
      +3
      Quote: drei612
      It would not happen that everyone who opposes corruption suddenly turns out to be Bandera, and Putinoids want to present the matter in this way. Putin provocateurs are already working hard, wreaking havoc in Ukraine.

      Colleague, about mushrooms we will develop a theme or understand yourself? hi
    4. Antor
      Antor 4 March 2014 14: 27
      +4
      The provocator is just you, not Putin !? Finally, think about what Yarosh and his henchmen are calling for, how they act, who armed them and directed them, and finally what ideology they preach. Did you want fascism under the sweet wrapper of the fight against corruption? After all, they are already hiding and wearing a swastika and robbing the population, and whose population is Ukraine. I was struck by the story of a resident of Southeast Ukraine who called her friend in the western region asking why she sent her son to Kiev ?! And she answered her, it's okay, my son wanted a little drive and hryvnia to earn ...! So they earn robbing everyone, who do not take off, despite the nationality and citizenship of Ukraine !? And this fight against corruption is a robbery, as well as the appointment of oligarchs as governors - these will be taken out by cars, especially when living in Switzerland. If there’s even a little left in your head, then you’ll think about it before you bring all the rubbish to our president and try to play along with the Nazis
  • RONIN-HS
    RONIN-HS 4 March 2014 12: 48
    +9
    Quote: Clegg
    such behavior of the Russian military is unacceptable in the 21 century.

    Yes, it would (UN) "LESOM"!
    PAY ATTENTION to the word "Russian", that is, for the American and NATO military - this behavior is ACCEPTABLE. That they showed the whole world by igniting the "arc of instability" from Pakistan to the Atlantic, tore Yugoslavia to shreds. And this is being done in the 21st century, as in all previous centuries.
    It is the UN that encourages a policy of double standards, and it does not have confidence! negative
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 4 March 2014 15: 00
      +1
      Quote: RONIN-HS
      It is the UN that encourages a policy of double standards, and it does not trust

      I agree, UN reform is needed
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 4 March 2014 12: 49
    +3
    Very clearly and in good compressed, filed material. To the author, absolutely deserved, fat plus.

    Key phrases ...
    This topic at the intersection of media science and psychiatry is still waiting for its researcher.

    Therefore, no one will liberate the captured regions by force, but only at the request of a population tired of lawlessness and poverty, thoughtful and decisive.


    And further...
    That, in other words, I said a week ago
    Only those who are truly motivated and ready to save themselves are worthy of help, and the sooner people gather their strength, the less will be affected by the crisis.

    The point is not what I said, but the fact that everything else does not work, in the context of the problem under discussion. No one needs to go with troops to Ukraine and start everyone, right and left, "forcing peace" and harmony, because in this case, you will have to shoot a third of the population of the crazy outskirts.

    Although, I really want to soak in the toilet, all these "beaten", because this hotbed will continue to be fertilized with Western nitrates.
  • skifd
    skifd 4 March 2014 12: 52
    +10
    Joint statement RPP "UNITED OSSETIA" and the Union of paratroopers of South Ossetia

    We are anxiously and empathetic about the situation surrounding the just struggle of the citizens of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea for their freedom and self-determination.

    This struggle is close to the people of South Ossetia. In the distant 1992 year, the Ossetian people, in conditions of war, ethnic cleansing and unprecedented pressure from the world community, held a popular referendum during which he spoke out for the independence of his country and for the accession of South Ossetia to the Russian Federation.

    Russia saved the Ossetian people twice - in the 1992 year, when it brought peacekeeping forces to South Ossetia, and in the 2008 year, when it used force, forced the Georgian aggressor to the world.

    We support the fair struggle of Crimeans for freedom. We support the Russian Federation in its quest to maintain peace on Crimean land, to ensure a safe future for the citizens of Russia living in Crimea, their compatriots.

    Crimean land is not a stranger to us. Together with other nations, the distant ancestors of the Ossetians - Scythians and Sarmatians - left their historical mark on it.

    Thousands of Ossetians defended Crimea during the Great Patriotic War, many gave their lives for its liberation.

    Today, in a difficult time for the fraternal people of Crimea, the Union of South Ossetian paratroopers is ready to fulfill its international duty and stand shoulder to shoulder with the citizens of Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

    Political Council of RPP "United Ossetia"
    Union of paratroopers of South Ossetia.
    02.03.2014 of the year, Tskhinval.

    http://osradio.ru/obshestvo/69236-sovmestnoe-zajavlenie-rpp-edinaja-osetija-i.ht
    ml

    Appeal of veterans of the health battalion of the Armed Forces of Abkhazia to the Prime Minister of the Republic of Crimea Sergey Aksenov

    03.03.2014 20:05
  • demotivator
    demotivator 4 March 2014 12: 54
    +3
    the next move for the Ukrainians. Now the question of personal courage is being decided - are Ukrainians capable of taking power from the traitors who recognized the rebellion and proclaiming people's self-government. This is a test for adulthood and civic consciousness of all polls - primarily men whose weapons are at home, and police in cordon, who protect those who should be arrested from the people.

    Honestly, the article has a mixed impression. On the one hand, I would like to believe that not all Ukrainians have yet been "brainwashed" by Western propaganda, and on the other, why not ask the people of Ukraine themselves, but in general what they want? Organize a referendum on the most important issues for future life. Out of hunger and despair, he is ready to answer any questions. But, the new authorities, as you can see, fear the all-Ukrainian referendum more than the Russian troops. Let's see what happens if everything goes as planned. If the authorities in Simferopol receive a clear target designation from the people of Crimea - like "do this and that", then Kiev will have nothing to agree on, since the authorities in Simferopol will only be able to act in a certain way, that is, as the people of Crimea indicated. And in addition, the ARC authorities will receive the very legitimacy that the authorities in Kiev so lack. And it is in no way possible for Kiev to hold an all-Ukrainian referendum - after all, power has been seized there by force, it does not have a majority among the people. Moreover, the part of parliament that had a majority in the elections ceded power to an obvious minority, and as a result of a coup d'état. What kind of legitimacy is there ?! These are the pies.
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 4 March 2014 13: 43
      +5
      There will be no referendum. The new government is more likely to drown Ukraine in blood than hold a referendum.
      1. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 16: 19
        +1
        Our GDP was clearly expressed in this regard: "So that all residents of Ukraine know that we will help and be sure of this. I would like to look at those who will try to shoot at their people? We will be in the back, not in the front." And GDP does not throw words down the drain, authoritative comrade.
    2. Orik
      Orik 4 March 2014 14: 08
      0
      But Kiev is not possible to hold an all-Ukrainian referendum - there, after all, power is seized by force, it does not have a majority among the people.

      Strange as it may seem, the referendum will give nothing. Now, as a result of 22 years of Ukrainization, Ukraine has a 50/50 balance.
      1. Orik
        Orik 4 March 2014 14: 12
        +1
        You can clearly see the result of Ukrainization by comparing the attitude to the TS in 2013 and to the preservation of the USSR. In Ukraine, 83% support the preservation of the USSR, and 71% in Russia, and this is a nightmare that has been done over 22 years; my heart breaks with different feelings of bitterness, regret and hatred for the bastards who tear apart a single people. ONE people = ONE state !!! REMEMBER THE BROTHERS, if you want, we acknowledge that you have joined us. wink
  • nomad74
    nomad74 4 March 2014 12: 55
    +2
    Perhaps our government can learn something after these events! I mean that on the border with Ukraine there will be a network of repeaters for Russian channels! the work of our cyber units in the structure of the FSB in Ukraine is not visible! Therefore, the people of southeast Ukraine in the information vacuum!
    1. RND
      RND 4 March 2014 13: 49
      +2
      Quote: nomad74
      ... the work of our cyber units in the structure of the FSB in Ukraine is not visible! Therefore, the people of southeast Ukraine in the information vacuum!

      How not to see? belay And "fake in Nulland" ??? The EU, in my opinion, has not let it go yet! laughing
    2. AVIATOR36662
      AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 16: 23
      0
      Now there is satellite TV and the Internet, almost everything is affordable for the majority, so this is, as it were, not the most difficult question. There would be a desire.
  • Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 4 March 2014 13: 00
    0
    So the end of the junta came, the people will rise and have them all at their request and in any form, now the people will collect the frame and all the Maidan and the like will come piz *** c, do not go to the fortuneteller.
  • Arh
    Arh 4 March 2014 13: 02
    +1
    Drive to the end of the baderlog and judge! Russians Help Brothers Slavs Ukrainians! ! !
    1. Andrey44
      Andrey44 4 March 2014 13: 54
      +1
      Enough to help everyone already. They won’t say thanks, they’ll also spit on me. Who asks - we will help those who do not want - let them die. At *** we feed them, and even lose our guys. Is not Russia any love? So you are not our brothers. Go to the ***!
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 57
        0
        Quote: Andrey44
        and even lose their guys.

        By the way, it is clear that the self-defense forces of Crimea are young guys.
      2. Orik
        Orik 4 March 2014 14: 18
        +2
        Quote: Andrey44
        Enough to help everyone already. They won’t say thanks, they’ll also spit on me. Who asks - we will help those who do not want - let them die. At *** we feed them, and even lose our guys. Is not Russia any love? So you are not our brothers. Go to the ***!

        Ukraine is not ALL, it is WE !!!
      3. AVIATOR36662
        AVIATOR36662 4 March 2014 16: 27
        0
        People need to be softer now, and look at questions more broadly. You have to be kinder, even with the prisoners you should be merciful.
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg 4 March 2014 13: 06
    +6
    In Ukraine and Kiev are quite adequate people! And whoever wants to be deceived will be deceived and fooled! I had a childhood friend in Kiev, on Khreshchatyk, an entrepreneur, not an oligarch. So, for the new year I called, congratulated and said that he had taken his family to Belarus, to his mother-in-law. True, he is a former military man, he managed to correctly assess the situation without rainbow halo. Patience and strength to you, the people of Ukraine, make friends with your head and brothers Russians - we are one people!
  • kgbers
    kgbers 4 March 2014 13: 09
    +4
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: zol1
    Russia lost the information war again.


    Perhaps the first battle and lost, but no war.

    I agree! Russia, in the information war, in general, it is time to go on the offensive. For example: you can gradually create a negative image of the USA all over the world as an unreliable economic partner who can freeze your accounts, loans, or even simply not repay debts at any time, justifying it with far-fetched sanctions.
  • dropout
    dropout 4 March 2014 13: 13
    +3
    "How is it possible to do this with an entire country, even with the oligarchs' full control over the mass media for many years? This topic at the intersection of media science and psychiatry is still waiting for its researcher."

    Elementary Watson. I repeatedly wrote in comments. Total brainwashing from kindergarten to universities. As the saying goes, w, wolf and wolf will get used to it. My younger grandson is a second-grader who speaks Ukrainian to me. Russian is not taught at school, Russian literature is foreign. And in mass media, Russia is the main enemy and the eternal enslaver.
  • capitan_lynx
    capitan_lynx 4 March 2014 13: 16
    +1
    Let the whole world know and remember that the Russians will tear anyone for their own! And by the way, who says that they lost the information war? Southeast, Crimea do not say anything? And the fact that in the west the media are being driven ... so don’t look and don’t listen. Thank God everyone chooses information in the 21st century)
  • konvalval
    konvalval 4 March 2014 13: 17
    +2
    The article, of course, is a plus, but diplomatic rhetoric is one thing, and things are different. And in the end, the people must decide everything in fair elections and referenda, which Ukraine will not foresee in the near future.
    1. nezabudka
      nezabudka 4 March 2014 22: 29
      0
      As you read, everywhere they write correctly, but in fact zilch. Well, today in Ukraine there is no bright, intelligent leader who would defend his nenko
  • Vladimir_NN
    Vladimir_NN 4 March 2014 13: 31
    +3
    Part 1

    "... we lost the war for the minds. This is a medical fact. It is impossible to ignore the wave of messages from people who communicate with their relatives and friends in Ukraine and are terrified of how brainwashed people are. And we are not talking about Westerners, but about normal, previously adequate people. The worst thing is that it becomes impossible to speak with these Ukrainians in the language of facts ... "


    We must admit to ourselves that we ourselves have made and continue to put our “hand” to it! It is urgent to stop hysteria and go to extremes: it’s enough to pour water at the mill of the directors of the Ukrainian “performance” !!!!

    The situation in Ukraine is a tangled ball of conflicting interests of different coalitions-participants. Therefore, many beautiful categorical assessments (stamps) that sound on this forum are perceived, to put it mildly, ambiguously and with caution, even Ukrainians loyal to Russia. Therefore, you need to be more balanced, calm and reasonable, when assessing events in Ukraine.

    The Maidan “presented” several clearly expressed coalitions-participants (at least 4, in order of number):

    Coalition 1. Residents of Ukraine, opposed to corruption.
    Coalition 2. Residents of Ukraine advocating EU accession.
    Coalition 3. Residents of Ukraine who want to establish nationalist orders throughout the state.
    Coalition 4. Residents of Ukraine wishing to redistribute power and property, reaching a new level of oligarchy.

    It is important to understand that:

    • The new Kiev “power” (like any revolution) could take place only by combining the efforts of all four coalitions. The first coalition gave overwhelming support to the masses and a sense of righteousness of action (true democracy). The second coalition provided for easy “international” recognition of the revolutionary (ie, not constitutional) new “power”. The third coalition has become the driving force behind change. The fourth provided financial support for coalition formation and the implementation of necessary actions.

    • This union is very cynical, since each of the coalitions intended to act as a united front, only until the overthrow of the current government, and then intended to achieve the realization, first of all, of their interests, “throwing” the expectations of the participants of other coalitions:

    o Anti-corruption fighters dreamed for a state without oligarchs (goodbye to the interests of the coalition 4) and fascism (interests of the coalition 3).
    o EU fighters dreamed of gaining new opportunities and income through integration with the EU, and they do not care about some of the citizens from coalition 1 who will be bankrupted by this decision (“own shirt closer to the body”) and what will happen to coalitions 3 and 4 (let the EU deal with this).
    o Nationalist fascists dreamed / secured and realized at the state level their domination, and once and for all revenge on the only force (imperial pits) that openly and consistently fought and destroyed fascism. The interests of other coalitions - all will go to ashes, including objectionable oligarchs.
    o The oligarchs expect that they will be able to deftly manipulate with "pawns", so long as their investments bring "dividends", even if for this they need to give up on someone's interest.
  • Flipman
    Flipman 4 March 2014 13: 31
    +2
    Quote: Clegg
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine

    1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.

    2. The government of Ukraine is legitimate. It was elected by the Verkhovna Rada as a constitutional majority. Deputies from the party of Viktor Yanukovych also voted for the new government.

    3. Viktor Yanukovych is no longer the president. He did not comply with the agreement of February 21 and fled the country. A person related to the deaths of more than 90 Ukrainian citizens does not have the right to call himself a legitimate president.

    4. Russia must immediately withdraw its troops from the Crimea. This behavior of the Russian military is unacceptable in the 21st century.

    5. The OSCE mission will study the situation in Ukraine.

    6. Russia is obliged to start negotiations.

    7. For Russia, the consequences of sending troops into the Crimea can be very serious.

    8. Russia does not have the right to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine. The Ukrainian people have the right to solve their problems.

    9. The Budapest Memorandum and the Political Agreement with Ukraine must be respected. Russia is obliged to respect the sovereignty and independence of Ukraine.

    10. Russia's behavior threatens the security of all of Europe.

    you need to be respected, dear! But the fact that we are watching and how you are not being turned into obscene obscenities is not good!
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: skifd
    DOES NOT RIGHT to interfere in the internal affairs of Russia.

    Crimea is still not an internal affair of Russia.

    learn history if not for uncles Khrushchev further I think it is clear! and by law, Russian troops have the right to be in the ARC under a bilateral agreement! Moreover, the ARC asked for help from the Russian Federation, and the current president of Ukraine gave the go-ahead!
  • Vladimir_NN
    Vladimir_NN 4 March 2014 13: 31
    +1
    Part 2

    And now all these coalitions "at all costs" (compromises with conscience, outright lies and deceit, skillful manipulation of people, blood and violence ... - in general, everyone was "covered up", there are no clean ones in the revolution) achieved their intermediate goal and began to fight for the realization of their interests:

    • Coalition 1. They destroyed the corruption of statehood and want to form a new government. But since this coalition does not have leaders, real strength and ready-made solutions, their lot is to be content with those decisions and leaders that other coalitions will impose / lower them.
    • Coalition 2. Demands from the new government immediate association and living money from the EU, without any referenda. They demand to ignore / suppress the protests of those residents whom such an association will ruin. They oppose federalization and changes in the borders of Ukraine, because this will reduce the EU’s interest in Ukraine, and, consequently, the flow of money (money to Ukraine with Crimea and Sevastopol, or money to Ukraine without them is “two big differences”).
    • Coalition 3. Destroys the forces of possible resistance (state power structures, undercover developments and agents), implements immediate unpunished sweep-revenge, blackmails the government and adopts “its own” nationalist laws, smashes monuments to non-national heroes, makes everyone get used to nationalist fascist symbols and intimidates disagreeing, showing brutal force and impunity.
    • Coalition 4. Destroys old owners, seizes property, establishes the necessary oligarchic ties, is appointed to the necessary leadership posts.
    At the same time, events do not develop in accordance with the plans and expectations of each coalition, since there’s practically no coordinated action, the anarchy reigns, coalitions express dissatisfaction with each other, in such a situation they cannot enter Ukraine and EU (USA, NATO).

    Important:
    In the most difficult situation (they used and threw it out), Coalition 1 (without leaders, without real power, without decisions) turned out to be, especially the part that does not want association with the EU and does not want Bandera fascism (pro-Russian population, primarily south-eastern Ukraine and Crimea). And the correct behavior will be assistance, not confrontation and accusations against this coalition.
  • Vladimir_NN
    Vladimir_NN 4 March 2014 13: 32
    +1
    Part 3

    Therefore, assessments (stamps) such as those given below should be avoided as provocative and ambiguous for representatives of coalition 1 (ordinary Ukrainians):

    "Maidan and everyone who was there - a crime and criminals." Making such statements, a war is declared with the largest coalition 1, whose representatives ensured the mass of the Maidan. Why do we need this confrontation with people who are tired of corruption in Ukraine? Need to quarrel with coalition 1 or become its allies ?! It is necessary to fight not with those who are against corruption, but with the fascists, nationalists, mercenaries and violent bloody methods of struggle, with the desire to ignore the interests of the pro-Russian population of Ukraine. So, let's not equalize everyone to one comb, and we will fight not with the inhabitants of Ukraine, but with the Nazis and armed “revolutionaries” !? Why give a trump card to the Nazis, who present the stamps "Maidan and all who were there - crime and criminals", as Russia's desire to protect (impose its own) corrupt government in Ukraine?

    Talk about whether or not the Ukrainian army poses a threat. Why humiliate our brothers with doubts about their military prowess, and suppose that military action could be launched between us !? What Ukrainians (residents of Ukraine, regardless of nationality) are less glorious warriors of the Russian world, only because in 1991, politicians drew the border across the Russian world !? We do not attack the army of Ukraine and are not going to fight with them! We want to help the Ukrainian army in protecting the people of Ukraine (as part of the Russian world), to prevent a civil war, to form a democratic government that takes into account the interests of all its inhabitants, and not just the part that is now around the Supreme Council.

    Talk about the annexation of the territories of Ukraine. It seems to me that the mission of Russia is to preserve Ukraine as a homeland for the Russian world. Any blah blah blah, for example, on the subject, Crimea will be ours, and there let them figure it out - this is not entirely correct! Because, such statements, on the one hand, can be interpreted as a recognition of the fact that the rest of Ukraine is no longer the Russian world! On the other hand, similar speeches and choices should independently and consciously to do, first of all, the residents themselves of the respective regions of Ukraine! Russia's mission is to enable the people of Ukraine to make such a choice, and not make it for them.

    To discuss the topic of war and its outcome. What is more important now, to say that we are not going to fight with brothers in the Russian world, than to get involved in discussions about possible outcomes, if such a war happens! War must be declared to the Nazis / Nazis and mercenaries who are trying to destroy the Russian world by force! We need to say to the inhabitants of Ukraine - we want to help you drive this brown plague out of our lands, to remove the armed people who are creating arbitrariness under the screen of "revolution."

    Etc.

    If we stop such speeches, the attitude towards us will be more appropriate.
  • Vladimir_NN
    Vladimir_NN 4 March 2014 13: 35
    0
    Part 1

    ... we lost the war for the minds. This is a medical fact. It is impossible to ignore the shaft of messages from people who communicate with their relatives and friends in Ukraine and are horrified at how brainwashed they are. Moreover, we are not talking about zapadents, but about normal, previously adequate people. The worst thing is that with these Ukrainians it becomes impossible to speak the language of facts ...

    We ourselves have made and continue to put our “hand” to it! It is urgent to stop hysteria and go to extremes: stop pouring water into the mill of the directors of the Ukrainian "performance" already !!!!

    The situation in Ukraine is a tangled ball of conflicting interests of different coalitions-participants. Therefore, many beautiful categorical assessments (stamps) that sound on this forum are perceived, to put it mildly, ambiguously and with caution, even Ukrainians loyal to Russia. Therefore, you need to be more balanced, calm and reasonable, when assessing events in Ukraine.

    The Maidan “presented” several clearly expressed coalitions-participants (at least 4, in order of number):

    Coalition 1. Residents of Ukraine, opposed to corruption.
    Coalition 2. Residents of Ukraine advocating EU accession.
    Coalition 3. Residents of Ukraine who want to establish nationalist orders throughout the state.
    Coalition 4. Residents of Ukraine wishing to redistribute power and property, reaching a new level of oligarchy.

    It is important to understand that:

    • The new Kiev “power” (like any revolution) could take place only by combining the efforts of all four coalitions. The first coalition gave overwhelming support to the masses and a sense of righteousness of action (true democracy). The second coalition provided for easy “international” recognition of the revolutionary (ie, not constitutional) new “power”. The third coalition has become the driving force behind change. The fourth provided financial support for coalition formation and the implementation of necessary actions.

    • This union is very cynical, since each of the coalitions intended to act as a united front, only until the overthrow of the current government, and then intended to achieve the realization, first of all, of their interests, “throwing” the expectations of the participants of other coalitions:

    o Anti-corruption fighters dreamed for a state without oligarchs (goodbye to the interests of the coalition 4) and fascism (interests of the coalition 3).
    o EU fighters dreamed of gaining new opportunities and income through integration with the EU, and they do not care about some of the citizens from coalition 1 who will be bankrupted by this decision (“own shirt closer to the body”) and what will happen to coalitions 3 and 4 (let the EU deal with this).
    o Nationalist fascists dreamed / secured and realized at the state level their domination, and once and for all revenge on the only force (imperial pits) that openly and consistently fought and destroyed fascism. The interests of other coalitions - all will go to ashes, including objectionable oligarchs.
    o The oligarchs expect that they will be able to deftly manipulate with "pawns", so long as their investments bring "dividends", even if for this they need to give up on someone's interest.
  • I read the news
    I read the news 4 March 2014 13: 41
    +4
    Quote: Clegg
    10 UN Theses on Ukraine

    1. The rights of minorities in Ukraine are not violated. People are not killed. Human rights are respected. The threat to the Russian-speaking population is fiction.
    .


    Tell this to the head of the Volyn Regional State Administration, who was kept chained to the stage for XNUMX hours to write a letter of resignation.
  • Flipman
    Flipman 4 March 2014 13: 41
    +1
    Well, when the vice speaker of the lower house of the Parliament of the Russian Federation says that Kazakhstan needs to be annexed, we must look for all possible ways to survive and survive. As they say nothing personal.

    are we in Kazakhstan? dear, here we will not when this will not happen! but as you know, our border is common and the air defense system is common! and we often carry out common exercises! Kazakhstan will not become part of Russia in the foreseeable future! tell me rightly build 1 huge modern school for studying in the Kazakh language and next to it there is a 6th year school for the Russian language where is the feeling that it will fall apart soon, and the Kazakh school is 30% full and the Russian school is 20% full?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 4 March 2014 13: 44
      -2
      Quote: Flipman
      tell me, rightly they are building 1 huge modern school for studying in the Kazakh language, and next is a school of 6 years for the Russian language of instruction, where does it feel like it will fall apart soon, and the Kazakh school is 30% full and the Russian school is 20% full?

      Is it true that in the 1,5 million city of Almaty there was only 1 Kazakh-language school?
      1. BYRY
        BYRY 4 March 2014 23: 32
        0
        And in the Zholymbet Tsilinograd region in the 80s there were 2 schools. One was in Russian, the second was in Kazakh. I had many classmates - Kazakhs, but I do not remember their desire to move to another school.
  • Malayan
    Malayan 4 March 2014 13: 42
    0
    As for retirees, they are still a formidable force.
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 4 March 2014 13: 43
    +2
    To be honest, when I watched on TV how this fool from the State Department was distributing buns, I had a great desire to see that one of the fighters would put this bun into her turnips in turn! This is humiliation, like a handout to a poor huckster. You can not humiliate the people, sooner or later it will turn in the opposite direction. Regarding brainwashing, I’ll say that my relatives and friends I visit regularly in the Odessa region adequately assess the situation, support Russia and the Crimea, speak Russian and Surzhik, and when I jokingly called my neighbor a hohlushka, she offended and said that they live in the west, and they have all RUSSIAN! But we should not hurry, time is working for us, soon these spiders in the bank will begin to eat each other.
    1. nezabudka
      nezabudka 4 March 2014 22: 26
      0
      And these wait and dos, who else will bring them something on a silver platter. They’re hungry, they’ll go robbing, just do not work in mines and factories
  • Horn
    Horn 4 March 2014 13: 44
    0
    Quite right. I have already said, but I will repeat: Ukraine now needs a "the worse the better" regime. So that the amorphous mass of "ordinary Ukrainians", howling with horror, ITSELF took up aspen stakes and killed ITS ghouls.
  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 4 March 2014 13: 45
    0
    Here is the answer am.
    Earlier, Glazyev said that in the event of the imposition of sanctions by the United States, Russia will be forced to withdraw to other currencies and create its own payment and settlement systems. In addition, in his opinion, if the US freezes the accounts of Russian enterprises and citizens, they will recommend everyone to sell US treasury bonds, as well as US sanctions against Russian government agencies will force Russia to recognize the impossibility of repaying loans to American banks.
  • Auralski
    Auralski 4 March 2014 13: 46
    0
    I do not quite agree with the author.
    "Colleague Marakhovsky is right, we lost the war for the minds." And further:
    "The worst thing is that it becomes impossible to speak the language of facts with these Ukrainians."
    It is not worth competing with the state machine of one state in brainwashing from another state.
    "You don't need a knife on a fool, you sing along a little to him, and do with him what you like!" - sung in the famous song of the cat Basilio. And most of the townsfolk are ordinary "Buratino" and will look for the field of miracles, forgetting in which country it is located :(.
    Nobody will liberate Kiev for "Buratin", they will have to become "wise bogeymen" and "iron woodcutters". Sadly, many worthy people will die.
    What does the mat in 2 moves?
  • Witch
    Witch 4 March 2014 13: 50
    0
    ... Colleague Marakhovsky is right, we lost the war for the minds. This is a medical fact. It is impossible to ignore the shaft of messages from people who communicate with their relatives and friends in Ukraine and are horrified by how brainwashed they are. And it’s not about zapadents, but about normal, previously adequate people ...


    And this is insanely depressing.
  • Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 4 March 2014 13: 57
    +2
    It’s time for the State Duma to tighten the punishment for the last Nazism - blundered something in support of Nazism or in excuse - scratch your turnips somewhere on the shores of the Arctic Ocean for about 25 years without the Internet and iPhone, build the Moscow-Anadyr railway and beyond! It's time to defend against enemies by all available means!
  • Flipman
    Flipman 4 March 2014 13: 58
    +6
    Is it true that in the 1,5 million city of Almaty there was only 1 Kazakh-language school?
    dear, I ask you to learn the history of our state with you, or rather, in this situation, the history of the city of Almaty! then there were 1,5 ml people this time even with the union there were enough schools with the Kazakh language of instruction this is 2, the city of Almaty was founded by Cossacks and the Slavs basically lived here 3, before the schools were joint this 4! my brother went to school so they went to school in a crowd and from school so that they would not be beaten because the Kazakh school was nearby! and when I was at school I didn’t have such a thing, our joint school was friends with diapers (not spammers), and what difference does it make! What kind of language do you speak! In 86, my older brothers were afraid of beats in kindergarten! but at the same time, we have kind people in Kazakhstan, and those who push us with their foreheads are not worth a damn