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"Looks like a European Taliban." The head of the international committee of the Federation Council gave a political assessment of what is happening in Ukraine

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"Looks like a European Taliban." The head of the international committee of the Federation Council gave a political assessment of what is happening in UkraineThe head of the international committee of the Federation Council gave a political assessment of what is happening in Ukraine


"I can, unfortunately, draw many parallels between what is happening in Ukraine and the so-called Arab spring." With these words, Senator Mikhail Margelov commented on the latest events in this country. He sees nuclear safety as one of the main threats: 17 nuclear reactors are functioning in Ukraine.

On Wednesday evening, the press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, said that he had no information about the whereabouts of the ousted president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych. Previously, the media repeatedly suggested that Yanukovych had already left the country and was in Russia. A little earlier and. about. Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleg Makhnitsky said that Yanukovych was put on the international wanted list and “this is done by a separate investigative team.”

We add that on Wednesday intensified popular unrest in the Crimea. A new wave of clashes provoked the raising of the Russian flag. At the parliament building in Simferopol there were clashes between opponents and supporters of the new Ukrainian government and even an explosion thundered. A group of protesters tried to break into the parliament building, where an extraordinary session should begin to discuss the internal political situation in the country.
The situation in Ukraine commented on NATO. There they intend to "support the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and the principle of the inviolability of the borders of Ukraine." "These are the principles of stability and security in Central and Eastern Europe, as well as on the continent as a whole," the alliance said in a statement.

Head of the International Committee of the Federation Council Mikhail Margelov shared his view on the situation in Ukraine in an interview with Russia Today TV channel.

- Now in Ukraine there are a lot of events that are spoken around the world. What do you think happened there - a coup or a revolution?

- As an Arabist and orientalist, I can, unfortunately, draw many parallels between what is happening in Ukraine and the so-called Arab spring. Events in Ukraine began as a revolution, as a protest of people deceived by Mr. Yanukovych and his party, the Party of Regions. Yanukovych and his party for two years advertised an agreement between Ukraine and the European Union. They promoted this idea with the words that this is the best way of development for Ukraine and its inhabitants, and then suddenly reversed, without explaining anything to the Ukrainians.

The people got angry and took to the streets, but the authorities and Yanukovych again failed to agree with the people. After that, extremists stood at the head of a peaceful protest. The same thing happened in Tunisia and Egypt, where the revolution was staged by pro-Western citizens who were thinking about the modernization of an archaic society. But as a result of the elections, Islamists came to power. Here is the same picture. It all began as a peaceful protest, and then extremists, militants and field commanders appeared in Kiev. They began shooting, riots, war on the streets of Kiev. I was shocked by the frames that show channels. It is more like the capital of a non-European state, and the state of the Middle East region.

- And now what? Will Ukraine maintain unity or disintegrate? Or will the regions become self-governing, like in the USA, where each state has its own constitution?

- Last Thursday I was in Kharkov at a congress of deputies of all levels of the south-eastern regions of Ukraine and Crimea. Some journalists called it a "separatist congress." I want to say that this is not true. I have not heard any separatist appeals. I heard the words of responsible politicians who cared about the territorial integrity of Ukraine, about its development and modernization, about eradicating corruption in politics, about the future of Ukraine as a single state - maybe federal, maybe confederative. I do not know. And they didn't know that. But with all my heart they hoped for unity.

- Does it seem to you now that Western Ukraine will begin to impose its will on the eastern regions, that the east will lose its right to vote? Or do you see some kind of balance?

“The voice of the west of Ukraine now sounds much louder, and the behavior seems more active and aggressive - because, as we know, the vast majority of participants in street clashes in Kiev are from western or central regions. Eastern Ukraine is much quieter. When I drove through the streets of Kharkov, life went on as usual: it was quiet, the police did not have a gunshot weaponseverything was very calm. But the situation has changed: returning on Sunday morning to Moscow, I learned that even in Kharkov riots began. It looks like a chain reaction: demonstrations in the Crimea, in Sevastopol and throughout the country. The discussion between representatives of various political forces, between various political parties is heated to the limit.

- Law enforcement agencies in the eyes of the people are discredited. The government betrayed them. Will they be able to continue to maintain order in Ukraine?

- Once again, I note that the police, whom I saw in Kharkov, were not armed, and the army, as far as I know, keeps out of the political conflict, and, in my opinion, this is a reasonable solution. But ensuring security in Ukraine is not only a matter of fighting street crime or the physical security of citizens. Ukraine faces the issue of nuclear safety - there are six nuclear power plants operating there, 17 nuclear reactors are functioning. The total number of high-risk facilities in this country reaches two or three thousand, we are talking about the risk of chemical pollution - and none of the Ukrainian politicians says so. None of those who position themselves as the current government, and did not say a word about nuclear safety.

- Do you think there is cause for concern?

- Of course, because in January, protesters tried to storm the Ministry of Energy and Nuclear Power Plants in Zaporozhye. And we all remember that Chernobyl is located on the territory of Ukraine.

- Who will be responsible for nuclear power plants?

- God knows! After all, the so-called new generation in politics, which came to power, is much more important to demolish the monument to Kutuzov, or the Soviet soldier - by the way, the Ukrainian soldier - or a monument to Lenin, or the KGB. These people are worried about the future of the Russian language in Ukraine. But they don’t think about nuclear safety.

- I would like to talk about the new generation, because ten years ago there was an “orange revolution”, a desire to see a pro-Western political leader in power. Later, people were disappointed in this, and we saw a sharp turn to the East, and now we are witnessing a reverse process. Does this look like an endlessly repeating loop?

“I'm afraid today's process is somewhat different from what we saw in 2004.” This is not a pro-Western movement in its pure form, since the statements of the leaders of the Ukrainian radicals resemble rather the statements of the Ukrainian Salafis. They say: “Europe is not the Europe we dream of, because there is an undermining of family and Christian values, same-sex marriages are allowed.” It seems more like a European Taliban, if at all possible.

- Also I would like to understand why the protesters are still on the Maidan? What more do they want, what do they want?

- Good question. In my opinion, they enjoy the process itself. This is a revolution for the sake of revolution, and not for the sake of achieving the goal of this revolution.

- What to expect now? Who will lead the country? Tymoshenko was released, spoke at a rally, but could she unite all these very different opposition forces?

- I think that today the political situation in Ukraine is one of the most complicated in the whole world. Yes, there is a parliament in the country that adopts new laws, but can they enter into force without the signature of the president? It is assumed that the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada is temporarily acting as president, but here again a number of questions arise, for example, how much does this correspond to the current constitution of Ukraine or even the constitution of 2004? In my opinion, now we have a completely incomprehensible set of laws, and related to different historical eras. Because of this, it is difficult to understand what is legal in Ukraine and what is not. Of course, we hope that on May 25, Ukrainians will be able to hold democratic, open elections on a European model. The newly-minted president, who, it must be said, will have less power than his predecessor Viktor Yanukovych, since the 2004 constitution will be in force, will have to disentangle all this mess.

- What do you think about Tymoshenko? Could she run the country?

- Tymoshenko wants to take an active part in this process. She was a symbol of opposition, was a symbol of protests against Yanukovych when she was in prison. But now she is free; she has joined other opposition leaders who were on Maidan during her imprisonment. And they will certainly have to solve several difficult issues: who will be the main one, who will take part in the elections, who will take responsibility for the country during this transition period, because I think it will be one of the most difficult for the economy of Ukraine and its citizens.

- There is another aspect - the West and Russia. Western politicians are now engaged in a dialogue with Tymoshenko and conclude agreements as if she is the legitimate leader of Ukraine, and this is not so. What do you think about that?

- Now we behave with restraint, trying to study the Ukrainian situation. By the way, that's why my colleagues from the State Duma are now in Crimea, and on Wednesday a delegation of the Federation Council is sent to study the situation in Ukraine. We send missions to Ukraine to ascertain the facts that will work on the ground, talk with people - not only with politicians, but also with representatives of non-governmental organizations, religious leaders. Ukraine is a multinational, multi-faith country. And it is impossible to solve the country's problems, providing support only to Eastern Ukraine or Western Ukraine. Here there are Muslims, Crimean Tatars, Russians, Azeris and Georgians - the picture is very colorful.

- What is the current attitude of Russia to Tymoshenko?

- From Yulia Tymoshenko we have heard only preliminary political statements. She has not yet developed a presidential program, we do not know what her team is. Yes, we communicate with many politicians, with representatives of various political groups. We follow the process, do not want to interfere and do not want to be accused of the difficulties of the political process in Ukraine.

- Anyone in Russia or Ukraine can now predict who will be the next presidential candidate?

“I think in this presidential campaign we will see new faces, new potential leaders, perhaps representatives of the Ukrainian intelligentsia.” I do not know.

- But not those whom we saw at the meetings?

“I'm afraid these people are more likely leaders of the past and the present, and Ukraine needs a leader of the future.”

- There are a number of radical groups, dissatisfied with the fact that the crisis was resolved and began to be resolved. Do you think they will continue to fight for power?

- They continue it. As you know, in Kiev, even Yulia Tymoshenko’s and Arseniy Yatsenyuk’s cars were searched by these armed groups. Yes, they strive for power, they want to participate in it and, as I have already said, enjoy the process itself.

- Is their coming to power likely?

- The question is how strong will be the acting president and the current parliament.

- The nationalist opposition leader, Oleg Tyagnibok, said that all Russians would be deprived of their citizenship.

- By the way, the same thing he says about the Jews. That is, we are not the only target for Ukrainian nationalists.

- And what happens if he really deprives of citizenship of all Russians and starts punishing everyone who speaks Russian?

“Thus, he will destroy the country, destroy its unity, and destroy the future of Ukraine.” Because, I am sure, neither the Russians, nor the Ukrainian Jews, nor the Armenians, nor the Georgians will be silent. They want to live in their own country, and their country is Ukraine. And in Kharkov at the congress of regional deputies they positioned themselves as Ukrainian patriots who want to fight for their country. And they will fight for their country.

- Some radical deputies claim that Russian troops are being pulled to the Crimea. Are they trying to provoke a confrontation in this way?

- According to the agreement signed by the legitimate government of Russia with the legitimate government of Ukraine, Russian military bases are located in Sevastopol. For us, nothing has changed, we maintain the status quo.

- Can it happen that Russia will consider the issue of sending troops to Ukraine?

- I think no.

- Do you fear for the future of the Black Sea base fleet in the eastern part of Crimea?

- The Ukrainian government has signed a legally binding agreement with us. We know that at some point after the expiration of its term we will withdraw a fleet from Sevastopol. Now we are preparing a naval base on Russian territory. Therefore, I think there should be no surprises on this score in our bilateral agreements.

- At rallies in Ukraine, it is often possible to notice politicians from the United States or the European Union. Why do they come there and what are their goals?


- Their goal, like any other politicians, is to be in public: they want to be seen, heard and recognized.

“But the Russian foreign minister said that the West has its geopolitical interests in Ukraine.”

- Yes, like Russia.

- What are their interests?

- Their geopolitical interests, it seems to me, are obvious. There are still politicians in the West who think cold war categories, and some believe that the support of anti-Russian forces in Ukraine or in any other post-Soviet republic is in favor of NATO or the European Union. I think this is their serious mistake. For a pro-Western orientation, anti-Russian rhetoric is not necessary. The European Union is the largest economic partner of Russia. In my opinion, any of the former Soviet republics is best to maintain good relations with both the EU and the Russian Federation.

- But at some point there was a feeling that this was impossible and that one had to choose: either Russia or the European Union.

- Why Yanukovych and his entourage represented the choice of Ukraine as “either with Russia or with the European Union”, I do not understand at all. After all, in the Cold War, for example, Finland and Austria are Western countries! - did not belong to NATO and, in a number of aspects, collaborated with the USSR. History knows many such examples of the fact that cooperation with one country does not mean enmity with another.

“It's just that in the West they perceive it in such a way that not Yanukovych made a decision, but Putin put pressure on him and on Ukraine.”

- No, drop it. The decision was made by Yanukovych. He was responsible for this, he headed Ukraine. And, again, Yanukovych has been bargaining for almost two years, leading the game, promoting an alliance between the European Union and Ukraine, convincing the Ukrainian people that for them such a development path is the best. And overnight all beat. Why? What could Putin have shown so terrible to Yanukovych?

- But what's next? After all, Ukraine is on the verge of default. This year 8 billion dollars is required, next year 9 billion dollars is required. Who will give her the money?

- There is only one source - the financial “Twenty” together with the IMF, there are several channels - the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, other international banks. I think now we need to discuss the future of the Ukrainian economy in a practical way, because the future of the Ukrainian economy will directly affect the future of Ukrainian politics.

- Russia has already sent billion-dollar 2 to Ukraine. What became of them?

- Good question. He needs to be asked to Yanukovych when he finally shows up.

“No one knows where he is, but since you mention him, what if he asks for asylum from Russia?”

- Well, I know for sure that he is not in Russia.

- And if he turns to Russia with such a request?

“I wouldn't have invited him to my house.”

“But would Russia give him shelter?”

- In my humble opinion, no.

- Russia will continue to provide Ukraine with financial support?

- We maintain our connection, our relations with Ukraine, let's say, in all spheres and are not going to break them. We called our ambassador from Kiev for consultations, because we really need to consult with him and find out what is happening there.

- Who can I talk to?

- Yes it is. But our consulates are open, they work in Kharkov, in Simferopol, in other cities of Ukraine, so we will stay there.

- That is, as soon as a new legitimate government is formed, Russia will continue to provide Ukraine with financial support?

- It is necessary and the participation of the other side.

- That is, they can refuse further assistance?

- If we have a responsible partner, we will conduct a dialogue with him.

- The European Union declares that it is ready to send billion dollars to the new legitimate government of Ukraine 20. Where was the EU before when the past government acted? Why offers help now?

- To be ready to help and, actually, to help are different things. Maybe they are ready, but the problem is different: where is this legitimate government? It seems to me that the European Union reconsiders its behavior before signing an association agreement by Ukraine or not. We all remember that the EU insisted that at first Tymoshenko should be released, then it would be possible to sign an agreement with Yanukovych. In my opinion, the European Union more than Russia, created obstacles to the alliance between Ukraine and the EU. Now Yanukovych has disappeared, Tymoshenko is free, there is no government, the spirit of revolution reigns in the streets of Kiev. Do you really think that the European Bank in such conditions will be ready to give Ukraine money? Of course not. They are waiting for legitimate authority to emerge. And we are also waiting.

- President Vladimir Putin says that he will cooperate with the legitimate government of Ukraine, whatever that may be.

- This is true.

- Does this mean that gas prices will not change?

- I do not know, I do not work in Gazprom, and they better understand these numbers. But I know for sure that we have no choice but to cooperate with any legitimate government of Ukraine, because no one can just take a geopolitical eraser and erase Ukraine and Russia from the globe.
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  1. Ari100kraT
    Ari100kraT 28 February 2014 20: 30
    +4
    Like phrase
    - And if he turns to Russia with such a request?

    - To my home, I would not invite himl.

    And on the topic, everything is correct and there is wariness about nuclear power plants and other facilities. Judging by the distribution of portfolios on the Maidan, but the person responsible for the nuclear power plant will be put from the main tire arsonist ...
    1. jjj
      jjj 28 February 2014 20: 49
      +6
      This interview is late. The situation has changed and Yanukovych was found. Talked to reporters in Rostov. Let it work for Russia now. And porridge is brewed by a noble
      1. matross
        matross 28 February 2014 21: 04
        +4
        Quote: jjj
        This interview is late. The situation has changed

        Yes. Fundamentally. Another position of Russia has already been indicated. Do not recognize the legitimacy of gangster power and provide protection to Janek. Margelov obdelalsya
        1. Wellych
          Wellych 28 February 2014 21: 45
          +1
          Margelov was not Pavel Globa - when he gave the interview he relied on the information available to him at that moment, and this turned out to be a quite adequate analysis for the evening of the 25th.
      2. zzz
        zzz 28 February 2014 21: 21
        +4
        Quote: jjj
        And porridge is brewed by a noble


        I just heard on the news that the Russian Foreign Ministry ordered to urgently issue Russian passports to all Berkut representatives
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 28 February 2014 21: 34
        +4
        Quote: ...
        to NATO. They intend to “maintain sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and the principle of the inviolability of the borders of Ukraine”.


        And who will climb on us if something happens? Georgians with the Poles? The rest seems to have brains in place, so let the dog brech and the caravan go
        1. Ari100kraT
          Ari100kraT 28 February 2014 21: 51
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          And who will climb on us if something happens? Georgians with the Poles? The rest are like brains in place,

          Baltic tigers forgot ... laughing
        2. Penzyac
          Penzyac 28 February 2014 23: 05
          +1
          From the article: "No one can just take a geopolitical eraser and erase Ukraine and Russia from the globe." It couldn't be better.
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 March 2014 02: 26
        +1
        Quote from the article: "But I know for sure that we have no choice but to cooperate with any legitimate government of Ukraine, because no one can just take the geopolitical eraser and erase Ukraine from the globe. "
        ====================================================================== =============
        It's a delusion. We recall the USSR Libya and Yugoslavia. And soon, Ukraine (within its current borders). It’s always possible to make a bunch of small ones out of one big state, thereby erasing it from the world map.
      5. vagabundo55
        vagabundo55 1 March 2014 02: 50
        -1
        Putin is preparing a new surprise for Obama with the European Union, hiding the legitimate president of Ukraine on the territory of Russia. A strong move. At the right time he will fly out of Putin's sleeve with a bullet. The shot will be a sniper. Against the "extremist power" in Kiev. Sniper, because the Russian geopoly-
        Tick ​​is done under the control of an intelligence officer who doesn’t happen to be former. In this mess, the main thing is not who shoots anyone, but who changes their minds. The West acts stereotyped, not inventively, this is its weakness.
      6. vagabundo55
        vagabundo55 1 March 2014 02: 50
        0
        Putin is preparing a new surprise for Obama with the European Union, hiding the legitimate president of Ukraine on the territory of Russia. A strong move. At the right time he will fly out of Putin's sleeve with a bullet. The shot will be a sniper. Against the "extremist power" in Kiev. Sniper, because the Russian geopoly-
        Tick ​​is done under the control of an intelligence officer who doesn’t happen to be former. In this mess, the main thing is not who shoots anyone, but who changes their minds. The West acts stereotyped, not inventively, this is its weakness.
  2. Lumumba
    Lumumba 28 February 2014 20: 37
    +1
    Is this the Second Chernobyl just around the corner?
    1. Horn
      Horn 28 February 2014 20: 42
      0
      I'm afraid Yan Valetov with his "No Man's Land" will turn out to be a prophet ...
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 28 February 2014 20: 51
      +2
      The Russian special services should have taken such objects under protection, put armored personnel carriers around the perimeter, and introduced a wartime regime at enterprises. I don’t know how in Ukraine, but in Kazakhstan it’s so easy to enter the territory of the thermal power station, state district power station. Bags, packages and equipment necessary for work, all employees are carefully examined both at the entrance and at the exit. And at MAEK, at TPP-2, where the nuclear reactor, although it is shut off, is a militarized guard, the entrance to the territory is through a metal detector.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 28 February 2014 23: 16
        0
        We can’t take such objects in Ukraine under protection now, but, taking written permission from Yanukovych in advance, be ready to immediately drop an airborne assault to guard such objects when militants attempt to assault them. Only in this situation no one dares to openly condemn us for this, and the voice of those who blather will be weak and will not find wide support.
  3. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 28 February 2014 20: 45
    +3
    Putin may be silent for a long time and this is very unnerving to the west.
    The situation in Ukraine commented on NATO. There they intend to "support the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and the principle of the inviolability of the borders of Ukraine." "These are the principles of stability and security in Central and Eastern Europe, as well as on the continent as a whole," the alliance said in a statement.
    Now the fun begins, Yanukovych had to be wet, but something did not work out for them, as always, and now Putin has a trump card. Let's see what happens next in this soap opera.
  4. kare
    kare 28 February 2014 20: 46
    +6
    - "The Ukrainian government signed a legally binding agreement with us. We know that at some point after its expiration we will withdraw the fleet from Sevastopol. Now we are preparing a naval base on Russian territory. Therefore, I think, in this regard, our bilateral agreements have nothing there shouldn't be any surprises. "
    Maybe I didn’t understand what? These are not my eyes, if I contemplate this nonsense
    1. Normman
      Normman 28 February 2014 21: 05
      +5
      I think someone deceived him about the withdrawal of the fleet? And who are these "we" who know? And the naval base in the framework of strengthening the naval presence of Russia in the waters of the Black and Mediterranean Seas. And henceforth, you need to be more careful with the word "we" when expressing your personal opinion.
    2. Wellych
      Wellych 28 February 2014 21: 47
      +3
      Now we are preparing the Navy base on Russian territory
      that the spare will prevent chtoli?
    3. Umnichka
      Umnichka 28 February 2014 23: 01
      0
      I don’t even get fucked ... I just can’t say anything ... Shot * bastard.
    4. The comment was deleted.
  5. saag
    saag 28 February 2014 20: 57
    +3
    Quote: kare
    Now we are preparing the Navy base on Russian territory

    Does it surprise you? In Novorossiysk, in fact, work is underway to build moorings on the right side of the bay
  6. Normman
    Normman 28 February 2014 21: 01
    +5
    Europe recently sawed Yugoslavia, probably also, under the pretext of inviolability of borders? What words did they welcome the separation of Slovenia, Croatia, Kosovo? Need to remind them! And until May 25, in case the situation drags on, a boycott of the presidential election in the southeastern regions will take place. What is their appearance under the law?
    1. delfinN
      delfinN 28 February 2014 21: 45
      +2
      "If you sit on the river bank for a long time, then sooner or later the corpse of your enemy will float along it." (C) Well, we'll take a look.)))
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 February 2014 23: 24
      0
      in case of obstacles to the work of the PR and the Communist Party in the western regions of Ukraine, to take similar measures against Maidun parties in the south-east of the country. Well, a boycott is self-evident.
  7. polkownik1
    polkownik1 28 February 2014 21: 12
    +2
    Doesn't Mr. Margelov know that Sevastopol has a special status? And what is the prolongation of the Black Sea Fleet agreement? And it is strange that they did not say a word about the protection of the Black Sea Fleet Treaty at the international level; this level presupposes the inviolability of such agreements even with a change of government. Remember the US base at Guantanamo! A strange "sheep" in our diplomatic ranks ...
  8. krpmlws
    krpmlws 28 February 2014 21: 22
    +1
    Does it not seem that our expectation of the annexation of Crimea to Russia may turn out to be empty? That the referendum, which is planned already in May, will raise only the question of expanding autonomy. There are no real steps by Russia. Everything that we have in Crimea is a measure to ensure stability and no more. The main demand of Crimeans: joining Russia, politicians of all stripes will talk and talk, let off steam from the people, and then merge Ukraine. I hope that events will unfold according to an optimistic scenario.
    1. polkownik1
      polkownik1 28 February 2014 23: 27
      +1
      It seems. Moreover, until May 25, Kiev will carry out persistent work in Crimea to mitigate the situation, to change individual leaders and slogans. Unforgivably long time before the referendum!
  9. individual
    individual 28 February 2014 21: 23
    +2
    In Kiev, on the Maidan, state and European emissaries lit up.
    There were no Russian representatives there.
    In Crimea, the tasks are different. Foreigners have nothing to do there.
    ---
    Crimea is an outpost of Russia in Ukraine, there is no where to retreat, further Belarus and Russia ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 February 2014 23: 32
      0
      In Crimea, the majority of local residents are our representatives.
  10. saag
    saag 28 February 2014 21: 24
    0
    There will be no accession, and a referendum on the return to the 1992 constitution, i.e. about wider autonomy, I don’t know why you are so waiting for it
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 28 February 2014 21: 35
      +2
      Quote: saag
      There will be no accession, and a referendum on the return to the 1992 constitution, i.e. about wider autonomy, I don’t know why you are so waiting for it

      Read the forum, many have a similar expectation. The main thing is that the Crimean population wants reunification with Russia. The actions of Russia are interpreted by many as steps towards unification. It seems to me that our government is continuing to drain Ukraine and compatriots.
      1. Penzyac
        Penzyac 28 February 2014 23: 40
        0
        Russia would like to be reunited with all of Ukraine, and not to annex Crimea and thereby alienate the rest of Ukraine's regions, giving them over to the "indignant righteous anger" of the nationalists.
  11. psychologist
    psychologist 28 February 2014 21: 29
    +3
    Crimea will first vote in a referendum on its autonomy! Then the Russian Federation recognizes its independence, and then they will be engaged in joining Russia! everything is as it should be !! for democracy !! like your dermocracy, get !!! love am lol angry soldier
  12. saag
    saag 28 February 2014 21: 32
    -1
    Quote: psychologist
    the beginning of the Crimea will vote in a referendum on its autonomy! Then the Russian Federation recognizes its independence,

    Well, this is not a gate, what kind of independence, they are holding a referendum on expanding autonomy, but as part of Ukraine, there’s nothing to recognize here, because there is no talk of independence
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 28 February 2014 21: 47
      0
      Quote: saag
      Quote: psychologist
      the beginning of the Crimea will vote in a referendum on its autonomy! Then the Russian Federation recognizes its independence,

      Well, this is not a gate, what kind of independence, they are holding a referendum on expanding autonomy, but as part of Ukraine, there’s nothing to recognize here, because there is no talk of independence

      And this is what happens: the people of Crimea want to unite with Russia, and politicians slip him a pig of autonomy. The whole point is whether Crimeans will swallow this bait, buy it or not. Will there be Minin and Pozharsky among Crimeans?
  13. nikn88
    nikn88 28 February 2014 21: 46
    +1
    Our marines blocked almost all the military units of Ukraine in the Crimea. Latest News: Ukrainian air defense officer (S-300) near Sevastopol got in touch. He says the Russian Marine Corps brigade blocked, they didn’t shoot. He says that the Ukrainian Generals betrayed us, we feel like the dead heroes of Ukraine. They don’t open fire, no one gave commands. As if one of the Westerners did not break ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 28 February 2014 21: 52
      +1
      Quote: nikn88
      Our marines blocked almost all of the military units of Ukraine in the Crimea.
      Russian planes land in Crimea from Russia, UNIAN reports.

      Already at least 5 IL-76 transport aircraft have landed in the area of ​​the military airfield in Guards, reports Ukrainska Pravda, citing eyewitness accounts.

      In addition, as reported by TSN journalist, ten Russian armored personnel carriers are sent to Simferopol.

      Military equipment was noticed when moving from Inkerman in the direction of the capital of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the correspondent reports. Now armored personnel carriers are located about 40 km from Simferopol.
  14. kirqiz ssr
    kirqiz ssr 28 February 2014 21: 51
    0
    in the center of Asia I read the Taliban attacked the border guards of Turkmenistan, three killed two, wounded in short, it starts we can do it for the better for Russia, maybe the Turkmens will join so that they don’t get stuck
  15. samoletil18
    samoletil18 28 February 2014 21: 56
    +3
    And not a word about Yarosh - s ... is it, or what?
  16. nikn88
    nikn88 28 February 2014 22: 01
    0
    The situation is developing rapidly, but it seems that our Crimea ... Ugh, ugh, ugh shob not to jinx it ...
  17. kirqiz ssr
    kirqiz ssr 28 February 2014 22: 06
    0
    It turns out Vitalik Klitschko was born in Kyrgyzstan, the village of Belovodsk
  18. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 28 February 2014 22: 12
    +2
    The empty chatter of Russian senators and deputies. And Putin is silent, although Kiev has already asked ... whether. We must act as Euromaidan, create combat detachments, send to Ukraine and create anti-Maidan in all cities, send weapons, kill by any means, even with the fists of Bandera and their minions, that is, establish anti-terror. Arrange the delivery of weapons, ammunition, food, water, clothing and uniforms, flags, tents. Now they have come up with some kind of referendum. Nonsense! We must take power into our own hands with our fists and join the territories freed from fascists to Russia, and then clean up and restore constitutional order. Only in Russia Bandera can be destroyed. And then you can feed and restore Ukraine, like Chechnya. Even the introduction of troops is not needed. And all those who destroyed the Nazis, enroll in special. units and police - they will already have a good combat experience.
    1. ludoger
      ludoger 28 February 2014 23: 31
      +1
      So start already. Donbass for! Well, not with bare hands to climb under the bullets!
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 February 2014 23: 53
      +1
      Unfortunately, we cannot act as shamelessly and brazenly as the west, for our capabilities in the information war are objectively incomparable with the western ones, alas.
  19. siberalt
    siberalt 28 February 2014 22: 13
    +1
    Nuclear reactors of nuclear power plants in Ukraine are a headache for Europe. But not less than for Russia. There really is a pretext for bringing in UN "peacekeepers".
  20. nikn88
    nikn88 28 February 2014 22: 18
    0
    And tries we need Kiev? Fight for him and pour Russian blood? When you can take the bloodless Crimea and the entire South-West with 90% of Ukrainian enterprises. Nehai survive with the remaining 10%, Bandera fucking bad ...
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 28 February 2014 23: 56
      +1
      You forgot that Kiev is the mother of Russian cities!
  21. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 28 February 2014 22: 18
    +1
    As for gas and trade relations. If fascism wins somewhere, there will be no trade relations and no gas with these areas. Let them buy GMOs (genetically modified products) and gas in Europe and the USA and die out.
    1. Penzyac
      Penzyac 1 March 2014 00: 00
      0
      Yeah, eco-products and propane-butane are only for participants in the partisan movement against Western occupation.
  22. Umnichka
    Umnichka 28 February 2014 22: 23
    0
    We know that at some point after its expiration we will withdraw the fleet from Sevastopol. Now we are preparing the Navy base on Russian territory.

    This is already Sevastopol (and Crimea) passed !!! Head of the international committee of the State Duma of the Russian Federation! After all, if we take the fleet out of the Crimea, it’s not just a spit, but a shit in the face of all those who died there and our memory, this is the beginning of a chain reaction to drastically reduce Russia. Including because of this, we intuitively consider Sevastopol almost at the level of a holy place-city, and this non-Slavic extortion already surrenders us in advance! Guys, no words what this rot * does in such a high post. Is he really in his place ??? ... Then the kobzdets, Crimeans and especially Sevastopol will be betrayed, then I will be ashamed to live in such a country. I don’t know if I will stay in this country then ...
    1. shibi
      shibi 1 March 2014 01: 37
      +1
      And who is already withdrawing the fleet?
      The contract is valid until 2017 and for all revolutions.
      The alarmists in the Second World War were shot on the spot.
  23. nikn88
    nikn88 28 February 2014 22: 40
    +2
    what are you talking about ??? DO NOT HISTER !!! CRIMEA is ours! We will have ours !!!
  24. Penzyac
    Penzyac 28 February 2014 22: 43
    +1
    "The situation in Ukraine was commented on by NATO. They intend to" support the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and the principle of the inviolability of Ukraine's borders. "
    We know, we know: Iraq, Libya, Syria are now Ukraine. Exactly, they supported sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity, just something the results from their support are the opposite, they would have been better silent,!
  25. Umnichka
    Umnichka 28 February 2014 23: 05
    +3
    They put me a minus that I am against the surrender of Sevastopol in the future according to the contract term. Definitely I think Sevastopol is in any way temporarily outside of Russia. This is our city. And I'm ready to fight for it.
    PS Why is it a minus? What nits?
  26. nik221276
    nik221276 28 February 2014 23: 07
    +2
    Western trash is getting closer and closer to Russia, this power cannot be left there, otherwise we will go further. If now Russia does not intervene and does not remove impostors, then the Americans will begin to finance the radicals with us.
    From the last interview of Slobodan Milosevic

    “... Russians! I now appeal to all Russians; the inhabitants of Ukraine and Belarus in the Balkans are also considered Russians. Look at us and remember - they will do the same to you when you disconnect and give slack. West - a rabid chain dog clings to your throat. Brothers, remember the fate of Yugoslavia! Do not let me do the same to you!

    Why do you need Europe, Russians? It is hard to find a more self-sufficient people than you. It is Europe that needs you, but not you. There are so many of you - as many as three countries, but there is no unity! You have everything of your own: a lot of land, energy, fuel, water, science, industry, culture. When we had Yugoslavia and we were united, we felt like a great force capable of turning mountains. Now, because of our stupidity, nationalism, unwillingness to hear each other, Yugoslavia is no more and we are acne on the political map of Europe, new markets for their dear junk and American democracy. ”

    ... I don’t know what variant of events could be ?: on the one hand, it is better to intervene and restore order and the lawful president by force, then hold elections - let them be determined. On the other hand, if you come with force, then blood will pour out to those who have nothing to do with it. To the west and the opinion of the Americans do not give a damn.
    Putin, as always, holds a pause .. and as always I hope he will be right
  27. komel
    komel 28 February 2014 23: 11
    +1
    The fact is that almost every European, be it a Pole, a German, or even a Portuguese, is sure that Russia will not leave it that way - she will certainly stand up for her eastern Ukrainians and bring troops to Ukraine, as was the case with South Ossetia in 2008 year Moreover, the citizens of European countries believe that if the troops of the European armies come out on the side of the victorious opposition, and they rate this probability very highly, then the Russians will not stop before military clashes with them. But even the expulsion of the European interventionists, they believe, will not stop the Russians: after entering into a rage, they will start to develop success and will stop only in Lisbon.

    Experts and analysts are trying to reassure fellow citizens, pointing out the technical backwardness of the Russian army in the field of precision weapons and the fact that NATO forces are numerically superior to Russian troops, but such arguments do not apply to the public. Europeans believe that after the first clashes with the Russians, their soldiers will flee the battlefield just like the brave Georgians fled.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 1 March 2014 00: 04
      0
      Quote: komel
      every European, whether it’s a Pole, a German, or even a Portuguese, is sure that Russia will not leave it like that -

      These are not your thoughts.
      Could write that this is a "repost". Respect the author.
    2. Penzyac
      Penzyac 1 March 2014 00: 20
      0
      Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish by the sword.
  28. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 28 February 2014 23: 29
    +2
    Quote: saag
    ... In Novorossiysk, in fact, work is underway to build moorings on the right side of the bay

    And rightly so.
    Sevastopol bays for the Russian Black Sea Fleet are few.
    no Odessa, Donuzlav, Kerch, Ishmael.
    So we equip Novorossiysk.

    But Novorossiysk Sevastopol will not replace.
    Sevastopol cannot be replaced.
  29. Jedi
    Jedi 1 March 2014 01: 23
    -1
    with such an honest and patriotic face, you need to star in a series about cops ... or even better, you would have boasted of your not-so-small real estate in the hero city of Miami in the United States (the stronghold of world imperialism).
  30. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 1 March 2014 06: 14
    +1
    Interviewed, mumbled and streamlined fittest.
    For information, a virtual plus. For posting such discussion people in the media is a minus.
  31. mabuta
    mabuta 1 March 2014 07: 06
    0
    It is worth noting that the anti-Russian forces have become very active lately. Well, they met the Olympics with Ukraine. Although it all looks extremely crude. The West does not know what to do next with the Maidanuts. It does not want to give money, and cannot give advice on how to get out of the crisis. Therefore, the conclusion suggests itself that the project "Ukraine" was created either to divert attention from the Syrian conflict (as its escalation will show), or in response to the creation of the international bank BRICS (which will lead to the creation of a new reserve currency). So what, the Euromaidan shows the inability of the illegitimate government in Ukraine to solve economic and political problems, so that soon we will witness the end of this cookery.
  32. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 1 March 2014 16: 51
    0
    Quote: PENZYAC
    Whoever comes to us with a sword will perish by the sword.

    I propose initiating the procedure for introducing these words into the Constitution of Russia.
    And add to it a clause on the protection of all peoples of Russia outside of Russia.