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Four conditions of Colonel Belomestnova

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- bitterness? And what do you think? Not just bitterness, but also pain and resentment. And the real shock: how ?! the powerful army of the once great state not only leaves the occupied positions, but also drags out a beggarly existence, frankly despised by the nouveau riche who seized upon power. And the state itself disappeared. Sawed planes and ships, rusting submarines, humiliated military - of course, bitterness and bewilderment. Now the situation has become, thank God, corrected. True, it will take a lot of time to restore the former power, but I think we can handle it. In the end, the Ministry of Defense was freed from, I am sorry, the "Babskiy regiment" with their wonderful civilian head ...



Petr Viktorovich Belomestnov


Belomestnov speaks without strain, calmly. Just assessing the situation in our army. There are no reasons for panic, according to Petr Viktorovich. Because the main thing, the retired colonel is sure, was to save ours: love for the Fatherland and the desire to protect it. Yes, and the belief in "Western friends" has never been as strong as it seemed on television: "These" friends "felt very restless when the planes of our regiment flew on missions. I don’t think that letting friends “relax” is enough already. ”

Pyotr Viktorovich Belomestnov, born in 1945. Colonel retired. He served in the Separate long-range reconnaissance regiment of the WWF North Fleet. In 1977-1978, while conducting active hostilities, he was in Angola. On duty, he repeatedly visited Morocco, Algeria, Guinea, and Cuba. He finished the service as a unit commander. Lives in the village of Fedotovo, Vologda Oblast.

We are talking about conditions, observing which, our army will again become not only big, but also strong - so strong that we and our friends could live in peace, and “friends” - well, not very calm. The colonel shared some memories of his service in the “hot spots”.

- Africa is far too hot - in both senses! Flying out of the house - frost under 30, arriving in Africa - hot for 40! In Angola, for example. On the one hand, of course, it is very beautiful, on the other - you know, we had no time for admiring beauty: war is war. By the way, this is not a local conflict at all, as it may seem at first glance: the national liberation war for independence from Portugal started here in 1961 year, after 13 years the country gained independence, but a big civil war began, during which two great powers - the USSR and the US tried to establish their influence here. Until the end of 1980, more than 10 of thousands of our military advisers and specialists were sent to Angola. Of these, 54 people died, including 45 officers. Which countries participated in the “local conflict”? Only direct, proven participation: USSR, USA, China, Cuba, Zaire, South Africa. And, probably, Israel and Germany. But "butted", basically we are with the Americans, of course.

- Peter Viktorovich, why did we even get to Africa in general? What do we have little problems?

“Both at that time and now our military presence in the whole world is necessary, if only for the sake of not allowing our main“ partner in the name of peace ”to bomb everyone he wants. What happened to those countries in which Russia's influence has weakened or almost disappeared? I think everyone sees it, as they see the outrage that the States are repairing in the world. There are already millions of victims. So Russia simply has neither moral, nor, so to speak, geopolitical rights — if only because of its existence — to limit ourselves to “our own problems.” We are too important for the world to not act in accordance with its significance. There is no other way out. We will be silent - we simply collapse. Do we need this? - I doubt it.

- Now, it seems, we have a different situation: the wrong forces ...

- Yes, we have the strength, there is! Do not look at what was happening in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense! The main thing is that the overwhelming majority of Russian people still have a feeling of love and respect for the Fatherland.

- And how with this feeling to return, so to speak, its material embodiment, its former power?

- Patriotism is the foundation on which the country stands. But on some feelings you will not get far. Requires specialists who know how to understand the latest military technology. I assure you, such specialists have survived, new, young ones appear. Further. This latest military equipment itself is required. It seems that the state has managed to realize this need and is now relying on domestic achievements, and not on the purchase of foreign "masterpieces". We need soldiers. No, I'm sorry, “the worms in the corset”, which come to the recruiting stations and serve the year, and the real warriors. This means that the army must set itself a task: to raise a warrior from a young man, to interest him in continuing his service. How it's done? Educational work and material incentives. One can see how a person serves during the year - here and develop his patriotic feelings in a desire to continue to serve Russia. And, of course, such a service should enjoy honor and respect - both in the moral sense and in the salary sense. In my opinion, these are the very conditions that will help our army find its former power. Consequently, Russia will no longer be talked about with disdain.

- Thus, the main conditions are: love for the Fatherland, respect for the army, one’s weapon?

- Exactly. Only under one more - and the most important - condition: it is necessary that spiritual work be carried on in our army. I mean compulsory cooperation with the Orthodox Church. It will allow, in my opinion, to revive those qualities due to which the Russian army gained fame. After all, only a salary, even a high, strong army cannot be built - faith is needed, faith. As Dostoevsky said: “Russian man without God is rubbish”? - So the Russian army without God is a sad sight. And with such an Ally, we certainly will not be afraid of any enemies - examples in stories enough.

- Do you think Russia will be able to say its weighty word again - in the same Africa or in general in the world?

- I am sure that he will. All is not lost, not all. And we just can not lose heart.

- Thank you for the conversation and for the optimism.

- And without optimism, we did!
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  1. Ulysses
    Ulysses 25 February 2014 12: 36
    +10
    - Thus, the main conditions are: love for the Fatherland, respect for the army, their weapons.
    It draws on the national idea.
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 25 February 2014 12: 38
      +21
      Love for the Fatherland in the South-East of Ukraine and Crimea should be manifested as follows:
      http://putnik1.livejournal.com/2760290.html

      This text is the result of processing. official paper in a personal letter. The author is in the leadership of the Russian Federation.

      Friends in Ukraine! The current situation is terrible, but like any crisis, it gives a chance. He is very real. But to use it, you need to forget about the defensive position. If you try to defend yourself passively, they will crush you.
      ...
      Given the subsidized nature of the western regions and their long-term ideological oppression by Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine, regions with a predominant Russian-speaking population as a compensation for this oppression should Autonomous Republic of Novorossia as part of Ukraine, with its own anthem, coat of arms and flag, its national television channels, its national guard, and most importantly - the budget and tax system, and decide for yourself how much taxes they should transfer to the federal budget.
      ...
      Clearly understand: DO NOT HOPE FOR THE HELP OF RUSSIA.
      This does not mean that she will by no means come to your aid.. But you should not count on this help; even if it does, let it be a pleasant surprise. The worst thing now is to passively expect what Putin will do. Your fate is in your hands. Russia itself is in a vulnerable position
      ...
      Announce the creation of the Republic of Novorossia (for now as part of Ukraine, which must be emphasized) with the capital (at least temporarily) in Sevastopol in the Crimea and urge all other regions to join you. Form military units and help (you already have the strength) to shift the collaborationist leadership to begin with, at least in Kerch (you saw in the first video above what kind of leadership there is) and Simferopol.
      ----
      In general, in this situation, this text deserves to be published on this site in its entirety (appeal to the moderators or official writers: Oleg, Volodin)
      1. Plato
        Plato 25 February 2014 13: 15
        +5
        Crimea should be completely liberated from the Ukrainian Western power. If we restrict ourselves only to Novorossiysk or Sevastopol, then the enemy will have a wide scope for activity.
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 25 February 2014 13: 53
          +5
          Quote: Plato
          Novorossiy

          Plato, even though you are my friend, the truth is more expensive: Novorossiysk is a Russian city!
          And Novorossia is the southeastern and southern regions of Ukraine.
      2. Karabin
        Karabin 25 February 2014 13: 30
        +2
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        The author is in the leadership of the Russian Federation.

        Details, please? Hero's name?
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 25 February 2014 13: 58
          +3
          The collective mind believes that the one who planted two poplars in Brussels.
          A couple of days ago and today, too, Zhirinovsky said the same thing, and he is the well-known "Mouthpiece of the Kremlin." Today I even spied on a piece of paper, probably in this letter.
      3. xan
        xan 25 February 2014 13: 37
        +3
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        This text is the result of processing official paper into a personal letter. The author is in the leadership of the Russian Federation.

        Friends in Ukraine! The current situation is terrible, but, like any crisis, it provides a chance.


        It seems like a reality. I read the full version on another resource. Reachable goals are being set, to which Western Democrats and Ukrainian nationalists will not dig up from all sides.
        And there is always the possibility of tacit help.
      4. vadimN
        vadimN 25 February 2014 14: 05
        +4
        I read the text completely ... A lot of reasonable. The correct text, unless, of course, is fake and provocation ...
        It must be published here in its entirety, and not in a comment, but in a separate article.
        Moderators - the word is yours.
      5. vezunchik
        vezunchik 25 February 2014 14: 21
        +1
        Moscow does not intend to intervene in the affairs of Ukraine and calls on other countries to take the same position, RIA Novosti reports.




        Photo: Alexei Nikolsky / RIA News www.ria.ru Vladimir Putin discussed the situation in Ukraine with members of the Security Council
        Photo: Sergey Kuznetsov / RIA News www.ria.ru Naryshkin: The people of Ukraine will form a legitimate government in a civilized way
        Photo: Ekaterina Shtukina / RIA News www.ria.ru Dmitry Medvedev doubted the legitimacy of government in Ukraine



        This statement was made by the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov. “We hope that everyone will adhere to a similar logic and use contacts with various political forces in Ukraine in order to influence them in terms of calming the situation,” the diplomat said.

        According to Lavrov, Moscow is interested in Ukraine being a part of the common European family. "In this regard, the Foreign Minister called on politicians of different levels to engage in national dialogue with the aim of returning the situation to a legal track. Before helping Ukraine, Russia must understand the composition and program of the future government of the country.

        Lavrov also noted that "it is dangerous and counterproductive to try to impose a choice on Ukraine on the principle: either you are with us or you are against us." In addition, according to the minister, the country needs to carry out a constitutional reform in order to eliminate the situation when the basic law changes after each election. Moreover, the elections should take place after the reform - in September, and not in May 2014.
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 25 February 2014 14: 30
          +5
          Quote: vezunchik
          Moscow does not intend to interfere in the affairs of Ukraine

          From the text of the appeal:

          POSITION OF RUSSIA

          Clearly understand: DO NOT HOPE FOR THE HELP OF RUSSIA.

          This does not mean that she will by no means come to your aid. But you should not count on this help; even if it does, let it be a pleasant surprise.
          The worst thing now is to passively expect what Putin will do. Your fate is in your hands. Russia itself is in a vulnerable position, and Putin is not an ideal politician (to put it bluntly, he defiled the current situation in Ukraine, and Zurabov, as an ambassador to Ukraine, is a clear marker of how much attention the Russian state has paid to your country so far). The large-scale conflict with the West because of you, Russia does not smile. You yourself must create a situation in which it will be beneficial for Russia to provide you with assistance when it looks most advantageous (for example, not as assistance to the separatists, but as assistance to people fighting for their legitimate rights against obvious oppressors and usurpers).
          ...
          ONCE AGAIN ABOUT RUSSIA

          Russia is not Putin. Russia is Russian.
          Putin may help, or maybe not.
          A lot is up to you.

          Russians will help. And Belarusians, probably, too.
          Contact, establish communication. But remember: we cannot do your work for you. Yes, and we are not perfect, many of us are snickering and lazy, many are egoists who can only taunt “these stupid Ukrainians” (even if these “” are the same Russians who were just unlucky to be in Ukraine) or to bury them for their “betrayal in 1991” (as if they themselves were not equally duped by propaganda at that time). But these are not all.

          Your fate is in your hands. You are the power. You are power. You are millions. Once you defeated Hitler. Can't you beat a bunch of stupid bastards?
          1. Barrcode
            Barrcode 27 February 2014 05: 53
            0
            Who has friends and acquaintances in the Crimea should be distributed (found in the comments on the page of Razumovsky in the social network):
            PARTICIPANTS OF RUSSIAN SPRING
            (Memo)
            [Try to convey to those specifically in the field]
            1. The participants of the Russian Spring must proceed from the fact that all bodies of the state of Ukraine on the territory of their regions and cities are occupational.
            2. This means that the mountains and the regional administration must be occupied, their regional heads should be removed and the power transferred to the people's representatives.
            3. The buildings of the SBU (the creator of the "Right Sector" and the main culprit and organizer of the Maidan coup in Kiev) must be occupied, employees must be deprived of the opportunity to conduct operational work, and, if possible, detained. Sbushniki have already tried to arrest the People's Mayor of Sevastopol - Chaly, and it is necessary to deprive them of the opportunity to carry out such kunshtuk in the future.
            4. From employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - to demand an oath to the people of Crimea, the people of Odessa, etc.
            5. Representatives of "regionals", with the exception of people who have been XNUMX% tested over the years, should be considered as enemies and scouts.
            6. You need to understand that the main threat to the Russian movement now does not come from Kiev (the radicals simply do not have the resources to throw them south, they cannot even take Kharkov, since the withdrawal of parts of the Right Sector from Kiev means the immediate fall of the junta and the loss of Yarosh and Co. personal political positions). In general, it is not necessary to exaggerate the power of the Maidan. They won _only_ because the Germans and Poles forced Yanukovych to surrender. The main threat comes from local and regional rats on the ground, the main threat is a stab in the back and it needs to be eliminated. Everyone who makes loyalist statements or loyalist work must be neutralized.
            7. It is time to end the legitimacy of Ukraine, even verbally. Ukraine should be regarded as a state that has lost its sovereignty, government and borders. It is necessary to secure a position that even in the worst case, if the West succeeds in blocking Russia's intervention, it was only a matter of a negotiation process and a new entry of regions into Ukraine on a federal basis. So that no one could speak of any restoration of the unitary status quo.
            8. The intervention of Russia is not a given, but a dynamic process, so you need not wait, but demand, create situations, create precedents, it just should be impossible to avoid. We must actively turn to Russian public opinion, sow confidence in the people of Russia that the movement is serious and genuine, and not be afraid to call on volunteers from Russia.
            9. For the latter, it is highly desirable to unblock at least some border crossings between Russia and Ukraine, so that the Ukrainian border service cannot control the arrival of Russian aid.
            What I am talking about is not "tough" measures, but the minimum necessary, if the Russian people of Crimea and Novorossia do not want to be victims of the right-wing and massacre
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      7. Ivan.
        Ivan. 25 February 2014 15: 20
        +2
        Quote: Mature Naturalist
        Friends in Ukraine! The current situation is terrible, but like any crisis, it provides a chance

        http://onlinepetition.in.ua/obrawenie/petition.html
        The petition from Ukraine to Putin did not score even 4 thousand. Confusion and reeling, did not expect that the Kievites would surrender Kiev and even support the banderlogs. All these appeals will yield little, we must look for other ways and most importantly - propaganda has turned their brains into jelly and it is time to dismantle these dumps. As many people in pin dosii are sure that bears go around Moscow, in Ukraine proto-Ukrainians believe in such nonsense that you can only see in nightmares.
    2. valokordin
      valokordin 25 February 2014 15: 11
      0
      Quote: Ulysses
      - Thus, the main conditions are: love for the Fatherland, respect for the army, their weapons.
      It draws on the national idea.

      But if this is already a national idea, then add a growing love for the oligarchs and their power, tolerance for their own robbery.
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  2. erased
    erased 25 February 2014 12: 40
    +2
    I don’t understand, is he a colonel or a captain of the first rank? The uniform on it seems to be naval.
    1. Col.
      Col. 25 February 2014 12: 45
      +4
      Quote: erased
      I don’t understand, is he a colonel or captain of the first rank


      Colonel He served in the 392 odrap air force of the SF (Tu-95RC). In naval aviation, the ranks are military.
    2. Ulysses
      Ulysses 25 February 2014 12: 47
      -5
      Of course caperang.
      And a submariner, judging by the memorable icon.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 25 February 2014 12: 55
        +2
        laughing laughing laughing submariner .... well, you give Mlyn .... wassat
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 25 February 2014 13: 36
        +6
        Dear Ulysses, the submariner has a silver boat with a star, and these are wings and of course he is a colonel!
        1. Ulysses
          Ulysses 25 February 2014 20: 20
          +1
          Laughed.
          I'm sorry. recourse
    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 25 February 2014 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: erased
      I don’t understand, is he a colonel or a captain of the first rank? The uniform on it seems to be naval.

      marine uniform, but the rank of naval pilots seems to be on land
      1. Col.
        Col. 25 February 2014 13: 17
        +2
        Quote: Rus2012
        marine uniform, but the rank of naval pilots seems to be on land


        The uniform of the naval aviation differs from the naval uniform in shoulder straps (blue gaps instead of black ones) and the absence of "cabbage" on the visor of an everyday cap (worn only on the front cap). And on his chest he does not have a sign of the commander pl (as it seemed Ulysses), but an old-style engineering and aviation "bird".
        1. Horn
          Horn 25 February 2014 13: 44
          +2
          My deceased brother Jr. wore the same uniform. In general, in naval aviation, especially among the engineering part, ranks were very "tight". Colonel - that was cool.
    4. inkass_98
      inkass_98 25 February 2014 13: 07
      +2
      The form is marine, since it is a fleet aircraft. And the ranks are army.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 25 February 2014 13: 15
        +4
        Guys ..... who do not know.
        In the Navy, combined arms ranks are used quite well.
        The easiest way is determined by sleeve patches. If the color sensation of gaps on the shoulder straps of the problem.
        There are sleeve patches - a sailor, therefore. Say - the captain of the third rank.
        No stripes - military rank. Major, instead of captry.
        But the sub-melting icon is just a sub-melting and wears.
        Wings are only pilots. And shoulder straps with black clearance (or yellow) are only sailors.
        Military aesthetics does not change.
        These are just all kinds of clowns .. "snot" cling to themselves, caps - like Pinochet's ...
    5. Serg65
      Serg65 25 February 2014 13: 34
      +5
      He is a colonel of naval aviation, gaps on his shoulder straps are blue, on the right side of his tunic there is a naval aviation badge, and at the bottom there is an officer badge for a long-distance campaign with participation in the Ocean exercises.
  3. sscha
    sscha 25 February 2014 12: 57
    +2
    Old Guard !!! soldier
    Moreover, the acting officers say so - "Babsky regiment". laughing
    The army is strong while the people are with it, and the state is strong in the army!
    - This has long been said, but true !!! hi
  4. Duke
    Duke 25 February 2014 13: 01
    +3
    It’s good that there are such people.
  5. shelva
    shelva 25 February 2014 13: 05
    +2
    Everything must be done to increase the prestige of the army so that soldiers and officers can be proud of their belonging to it.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 25 February 2014 13: 36
      +3
      You need to start with yourself. In a family, boys should always be ready to call up for military service and not mow from it. If you listen to the babskiy roar about: they will kill, they will not kill, then then the army will not even be in Russia either, because in war they always kill a lot.
  6. individual
    individual 25 February 2014 13: 07
    +1
    - When asked:
    "what for?"
    - we answer:
    "to preserve and respect oneself, the memory of their fathers and their homeland, Russia!"
  7. Lich
    Lich 25 February 2014 13: 12
    0
    Yes, without optimism, we can’t do it at all!
  8. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 February 2014 13: 23
    +2
    By the way, the furniture head of our "woman's regiment" on the sly about amnesty asks, along the way, it will give him a ride ...
    1. military
      military 25 February 2014 13: 32
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      By the way, the furniture head of our "woman's regiment" on the sly about amnesty asks, along the way, it will give him a ride ...

      who would doubt ... in accordance with the "previously reached agreements" ... wink
  9. Karabin
    Karabin 25 February 2014 13: 29
    +1
    In the end, they released the Ministry of Defense from, excuse me, the “Babskiy Regiment” with their remarkable commander in civilian clothes ...

    How little we need to start hoping. And I don't want to look at the root of the problem. Who put him there? And who is satisfied with the results and honored the gratitude of the resigned (not expelled in shame, not imprisoned for treason). For whom the defendants in the Oboronservis case either run away like Puzikov, or sit in a 13-room pre-trial detention center, or have received ridiculous terms. What breakthrough can grow on this basis, except for the development of huge funds?
    Now the situation has become, thank God, corrected.

    At what pace and for what price? That is the main question. And the pace and price are directly related to the structure of our defense industry, where, in the first place, the selfish interests of the people controlling it are respected, and only then are the interests of the Power. When, under such conditions, we will restore the Sun to a level worthy of a Great Power? With this socio-political system - never.
    1. Stalnov I.P.
      Stalnov I.P. 25 February 2014 15: 41
      0
      Each stool is a star, and pee, two stars .... I ask you to immediately apologize, there is nothing more to say!
  10. Alexey M
    Alexey M 25 February 2014 13: 33
    +3
    Russia to the greatness of the USSR as Putin to Stalin.
    You need to steal less and look into the West’s mouth. have caught sight of.
    Russia had a chance to remain a great power when Yugoslavia was bombed, when we were asked for help, and we expressed "concern" and wrote notes of protest.
    And so they handed over all the conquests of the USSR slowly. And now, first, everything needs to be built.
    1. moremansf
      moremansf 25 February 2014 15: 15
      +1
      Yugoslavia was under Yeltsin ... and the USSR surrendered Gorbachev to the same Yeltsin ... and Abkhazia was already under Putin, although Medvedev was president then ... there is a difference !!!
      1. plebs
        plebs 25 February 2014 17: 25
        0
        Yugoslavia was under Yeltsin ... and the USSR surrendered Gorbachev to the same Yeltsin ... and Abkhazia was already under Putin, although Medvedev was president then ... there is a difference !!!
        And did they give Libya to whom?
  11. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 25 February 2014 13: 35
    0
    In Russia, it has historically developed "not an army with a state, but a state with an army ..." So, in my opinion, one of the great Russian historians in the 19th century said. The army in Russia really (and there is no getting away from it) plays a system-forming role.
  12. Stinger
    Stinger 25 February 2014 13: 37
    0
    Everything is correct. But who will bring up? Bulk, which can not be understood on the merits? If he has documents revealing thieves, then why not check? If right, put the guilty. If not plant a slanderer. That is the whole question. Instead, they breed a few years of bodyaga, playing into the hands of ill-wishers. Or a snout in the cannon at the guardians of law and order? So far it has been suggested that the ultimate dream is its own stall.
  13. Kuvabatake
    Kuvabatake 25 February 2014 13: 43
    0
    "... I'm offended for the state."
  14. msv
    msv 25 February 2014 13: 43
    +2
    Quote: Mature Naturalist
    Love for the Fatherland in the South-East of Ukraine and Crimea should be manifested as follows:
    http://putnik1.livejournal.com/2760290.html

    This text is the result of processing. official paper in a personal letter. The author is in the leadership of the Russian Federation.

    Friends in Ukraine! The current situation is terrible, but like any crisis, it gives a chance. He is very real. But to use it, you need to forget about the defensive position. If you try to defend yourself passively, they will crush you.
    ...
    Given the subsidized nature of the western regions and their long-term ideological oppression by Russian-speaking citizens of Ukraine, regions with a predominant Russian-speaking population as a compensation for this oppression should Autonomous Republic of Novorossia as part of Ukraine, with its own anthem, coat of arms and flag, its national television channels, its national guard, and most importantly - the budget and tax system, and decide for yourself how much taxes they should transfer to the federal budget.
    ...
    Clearly understand: DO NOT HOPE FOR THE HELP OF RUSSIA.
    This does not mean that she will by no means come to your aid.. But you should not count on this help; even if it does, let it be a pleasant surprise. The worst thing now is to passively expect what Putin will do. Your fate is in your hands. Russia itself is in a vulnerable position
    ...
    Announce the creation of the Republic of Novorossia (for now as part of Ukraine, which must be emphasized) with the capital (at least temporarily) in Sevastopol in the Crimea and urge all other regions to join you. Form military units and help (you already have the strength) to shift the collaborationist leadership to begin with, at least in Kerch (you saw in the first video above what kind of leadership there is) and Simferopol.
    ----
    In general, in this situation, this text deserves to be published on this site in its entirety (appeal to the moderators or official writers: Oleg, Volodin)


    Put a plus, quite specifically.
  15. philip
    philip 25 February 2014 13: 50
    0
    Sorry with the minus reading the first lines. Annoying when the army is badly spoken. +++++++++++++
  16. Alexey M
    Alexey M 25 February 2014 14: 44
    +2
    Quote: Philip
    Sorry with the minus reading the first lines. Annoying when the army is badly spoken. +++++++++++++

    The army is the face of the Society. So do not apologize. What kind of society is this and the army. As the people and the Army were united in the USSR.
    So who can say what is our army?
    1. dropout
      dropout 25 February 2014 14: 57
      +4
      Quote: Alexey M
      Army is the face of the Society.

      I completely agree. And here is the anthem of the Ukrainian army.
      Hymn of the Ukrainian Army

      The fourth day the sky is smoky -
      That smoke from the fires of Ukrainian villages.
      Take out the vodil, Lieutenant Netreba,
      Cornet Pilipenko, pour the brine.

      And the yellow-blaketnoe rinse prapor,
      Shkvark dope inspires us to fight.
      Lieutenant Netreba, drive the pigs to the camp.
      Zilberman Cornet will let them into the bacon.

      A pomegranate fell into a bucket of sour cream,
      The convoy was ambushed with sausage.
      Lieutenant Netreba, when is the salary?
      Cornet Pilipenko, good question! ..

      Why such a life without fat and bread.
      With coupons, hryvnia we will die for sure.
      Let's give up, Lieutenant Netreba,
      Cornet Pilipenko, at least we’ll eat him in captivity ...
      1. vezunchik
        vezunchik 25 February 2014 18: 42
        0
        In-in, remember 1918 - I was glad I called on the Germans to help free ourselves from the Bolsheviks - and Ukrainian huts were on fire! And 1941? Remember how the primordial Ukrainians met the Nazis with bread and salt? And when their villages burned, and the inhabitants began to be hanged, they remembered Russia!
        1. PPL
          PPL 25 February 2014 21: 23
          0
          It’s not worth combing all under one comb. Traitors and accomplices were always and everywhere, and among the Russians, alas, too. No one ever loved or respected them, traitors! Because of the handful of renegades, one should not judge the whole nation.
          There were heroes who fought the enemy with all available means.
          And 1941? Remember how the primordial Ukrainians met the Nazis with bread and salt? And when their villages burned, and the inhabitants began to be hanged, they remembered Russia!

          Here I will stand up for the bulk of the population.
          My father turned out to be a 7-year-old child with an elderly aunt and 5-year-old sister in the occupation region (a mother with older children was evacuated to Bashkiria, the little ones were not evacuated then - they believed that children and old people would not be touched). Tomarovka, Prokhorovka, as well as many settlements of the Belgorod region, together with the remaining (failed to evacuate) population were under the German. They did not meet with bread and salt, but the Germans had to cook, as did the housing.
          So, this is me to the fact that to condemn the unarmed and for the most part weak population, which during the war turned out to be alone with the armed and organized enemy, for the most part, is unwise.
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  17. Ivan.
    Ivan. 25 February 2014 15: 05
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    So Russia simply has neither moral, nor, so to speak, geopolitical law - at least by virtue of its existence - to be limited to “its own problems”. We are too significant for the world not to act in accordance with our significance.

    Here I completely agree with the novel (the one with a small letter) if for the same reason, except perhaps on the other side, the article of praise is actively plus abusive minus. Either they yell correctly, they need help, allocate, give, give, or stop feeding xxxxxxxx, they themselves are to blame, this is not our business, we have enough of our problems. We can clearly say: many do not have their own I and they chew other people's thoughts.
    The earth is my whole house and borders are all conditional and no independence exists, humanity should not be just a fiction of the UN invented, it has yet to be born ... and ..... learn Russian smile .
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      xan 25 February 2014 15: 49
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      "It is indecent for a great power to have not its own interests" (Bismarck)