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Technocrat in marshal's uniform

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One of the reasons that the “cold” war never became “hot” was the undoubted strength of the Soviet Army, which made even the most violent heads in the West think about the consequences of a possible aggression. At the same time, they were not only afraid of the number of potential adversaries - even Suvorov implemented the principle of “fight with skill.” And with him - that is, taking into account modern realities, with the quality of weapons - the Soviet Union was all right ...



Ustinov bet on tactical and operational-tactical nuclear weapon


Of course, thanks for this we need a generation of military experts who for decades have been forging the combat power of the army. But nevertheless, it is impossible not to single out the special role that Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov played in this difficult and intense work, and long before he became Minister of Defense - and one of the best in this post. Curiously, he was not a commander in the traditional sense of the word - he did not lead the regiments to attack, did not command large units, but coordinated the actions of the military-industrial complex. And, as it turned out, it was his management decisions that played a huge role.

However, Ustinov also managed to make war. He was born in the family of a worker who fled from hunger from his native Samara to Samarkand. There, in 14 years, the future marshal became a fighter of the special purpose unit, a Komsomol member, fought with the Basmachis in the ranks of the 12 th Turkestan Regiment of the Red Army. But there were enough skilled craftsmen to swing a sword and shoot a pistol - the young republic, which was in a hostile ring, no less required qualified military-technical specialists without the burden of the "old regime" past, but there were not enough of those then. Like many of the best Komsomol members, Ustinov, who was already in peacetime, on 1920, graduated from a vocational-technical school, the mechanical faculty of a polytechnic in Ivanovo-Voznesensk, the Baumanskoe School and the Leningrad Military Mechanical Institute, also strove to become an engineer. The young specialist received an excellent training, and she was useful to him more than once.

He began his “technocrat” way with the Leningrad Artillery Marine Research Institute, became the head of the department, gave a good account of himself and in 1938 was appointed director of the Bolshevik plant (the former Obukhovsky steel foundry), which supplied the army with guns. There, 30-year-old Ustinov showed himself as a tough, but competent leader, who was able not only to make effective decisions, but also to find new technological moves. His success in the very first year was marked by the Order of Lenin, and at the beginning of 1941, he was appointed Commissar of Arms and from that time began to play a leading role in the fate of not only the army, but also industry. It is worth noting that in the most difficult years, Ustinov not only provided the troops with the necessary amount of equipment, but, as the outcome of the war showed, achieved more tangible success than his German “colleague” Albert Speer, who also began to lead the military industry at a young age. As we see, the trust that Stalin felt in the first “purely Soviet” generation of managers turned out to be not in vain ...

In the post-war years, the development of the most advanced types of weapons, above all, missile weapons, which he supervised the creation of as the representative of the USSR Council of Ministers, was associated with the name of Ustinov. Ustinov determined the most promising projects with a gaze of an engineer, tried to get them to pass the test tests as soon as possible and enter the army. He was also behind the development of the first Soviet nuclear submarine, the C-75, C-125, C-200, C-300 air defense complexes, and in 1970 through its efforts the Navy became the most powerful history country.

The appointment of Ustinov to the post of minister in 1976 was perceived ambiguously as in the army, where they would like to see a fighting general on this post, and in the West, where they decided that the engineer-manager would not be particularly dangerous. But it was under Ustinov that significant changes occurred not only in the structure of the army, but also in the military doctrine. The new minister decisively broke with the traditional approach, which was to create an armored "fist" and increase readiness for a fierce, but non-nuclear war in Central Europe and the Far East.

Ustinov made a bet on tactical and operational-tactical nuclear weapons, and chose the European direction as strategic. It was with him that the medium-range monoblock missiles R-12 (SS-4) and R-14 (SS-5) were replaced by the latest development of the RSD-10 Pioneer (SS-20). In the early 80s, OTR-22 and OTR-23 Oka tactical complexes began to be deployed in Czechoslovakia and the German Democratic Republic, allowing them to “shoot through” the whole of Germany, which, in the event of the outbreak of war, would be the first to become a theater of military operations. Under the leadership of the minister, the Topol and Voivode intercontinental ballistic missiles were developed, the army received Tanks A T-80 with a gas turbine engine, BMP-2 and BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles, Su-27, MiG-29, Tu-160 aircraft, an airborne combat vehicle capable of landing with the crew, aircraft-carrying cruisers ... Then in the USA and NATO began a real panic: they had to hastily change their plans and prepare not for an attack, but for a limited nuclear conflict in Europe, where they would be a defending side. Fortunately for the whole world, this never happened, but Ustinov spoiled a lot of nerves to his western opponents.

Eight years, during which he headed the Ministry of Defense, were marked by the most active use in military affairs of all the achievements of the scientific and technological revolution. Then, in fact, weapons were created, which remain relevant to this day and serve as the basis for further development. The Soviet military industrial complex, combining the most advanced scientific and technological approaches, became the best monument to Marshal Ustinov, and not his fault that later many of the things created under his leadership were simply destroyed ...
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  1. kind
    kind 15 February 2014 07: 21
    +44
    Of all the defense ministers of the USSR and the Russian Federation, Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov was remembered precisely for the fact that with him the range of weapons was significantly expanded. Every year, military exercises-experiments were conducted in order to determine how to use this or that type of weapon and the extreme conditions for its use! Then everything was very secret, and we walked proud of the realization that we have the best weapons in the world.
    1. invisibility
      invisibility 15 February 2014 08: 08
      +41
      My opinion is one of the best ministers. They always feared our army (and, God forbid, nothing will change in this respect), but under Ustinov they were afraid of panic.
      1. Gamdlislyam
        Gamdlislyam 15 February 2014 08: 39
        +30
        Quote: invisible
        My opinion is one of the best ministers.

        About Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov can be said briefly and succinctly - Stalin's Commissar! soldier
        1. invisibility
          invisibility 15 February 2014 09: 34
          +3
          Quote: Gamdlislyam
          Stalin's Commissar!

          Yes, that’s more accurate.
      2. svp67
        svp67 15 February 2014 10: 09
        +7
        Quote: invisible
        My opinion is one of the best ministers.
        "Lump" ...
      3. Polovec
        Polovec 15 February 2014 10: 10
        +14
        Rogozin has someone to look up to. Today, in my incompetent opinion, we have only the military-industrial complex and is able to help the economy get out of the pit. In any case, I want to hope and believe.
        1. kris
          kris 15 February 2014 11: 56
          +27
          Quote: Polovec
          Rogozin has someone to follow

          Well, you compared fuck with a finger!
          Lump and balobol!
          In the pre-storm military time Ustinov notices Stalin and appoints him chiefly to the most crucial part of the defense complex. Joseph Vissarionovich always repeated: "In order to win, we need three things: armament, armament and once again armament." So in 33, Dmitry Fyodorovich becomes one of the Stalinist "iron commissars." That was the time when the world's first executives appeared, who came to high posts from urban and rural proletarians. Stalin connected all his hopes with them, “cook children”. And practically none of the Stalinist "iron commissars" did not let the leader down.

          Already on the fifth day of the war, Ustinov presented to the government a well-developed algorithm of further actions - “Mobilization Plan for the III Quarter”. Picky for such documents, Stalin did not change a word in Ustinov’s proposals.

          Thus began the unprecedented in the history of mankind movement of enterprises and their labor collectives beyond the Urals. For three months, as Ustinov calculated, 1364 of large plants and factories were evacuated. By early December 1941, the State Defense Committee decided to create strategic reserves to strengthen the army. To carry out it, Ustinov clearly defined the scope of equipment and weapons to equip hundreds of rifle, artillery, anti-aircraft and tank regiments, dozens of rifle divisions, brigades, made calculations of the necessary weapons according to the nomenclature, organized the production and delivery of military equipment from factories scattered across a huge country. At the same time, the People’s Commissariat also ensured the implementation of the strategic plan for the creation of the Headquarters reserves for a counter-offensive near Moscow.

          Chief of the Main Artillery Directorate Marshal of Artillery N. D. Yakovlev recalled: “When we ran out of strength at long and frequent meetings, the bright smile and relevant joke of Dmitry Fedorovich relieved the tension, infused new forces into the people around him. It seemed he was on the shoulder absolutely everything! ".

          In the Soviet myth-making, there are many legends connected with Stalin’s cruelty towards his subordinates. As for Ustinov, until the last day of his life he spoke of the leader exclusively with reverence. As a delegate of the 18th party congress, he recalled: “I felt an overwhelming concern for my native country, responsibility for its fate. This feeling arose from the very first minutes after JV Stalin rose to the podium, speaking at the congress with the Report of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.). His low, slightly deaf voice imperiously seized the attention, and everything he said fit in his mind firmly, tightly, almost weightily.
          1. Jipo
            Jipo 15 February 2014 19: 57
            +3
            Well, balabol is not balabol, but his father just under Ustinov oversaw the military-industrial complex. Maybe not much the apple fell from the apple tree, let's hope.
            1. gardener
              gardener 16 February 2014 02: 51
              +2
              I caught the “managers” of the military-industrial complex of Stalin's sourdough. I watched them, so to speak, “in action”: the “upper” crushed the “lower”, those, in turn, stamped their feet, literally stamped and inhumanly humiliated the bottom. (It turns out that it used to be that the shop manager from the production manager smiles pitifully: "We are e ... t, and we, they say, are getting stronger!")
              Undoubtedly, they knew how to force the people subject to them to work hard in the workplace until their last breath. And all of our labor-economic-technological victories were achieved at a navel.

              As for the "most active use ... of all the achievements of the scientific and technological revolution" - alas. In my memory, we always somehow caught up with varying success.
              I remember that at the end of the 70's at one of the closed meetings, one of the industry leaders complained that the electronics base in our electronics was lagging behind. And this negatively affects the quality of products. The Minister’s response sounded sharply and categorically: “With a good elemental base, a rocket and ... will do! And you achieve the required reliability with the components that you have! ”

              More recently, I read somewhere on the Internet about the backlog in the same area, that in the most advanced defense products you have to use imported electronics of far not the highest degree of reliability.
              So, have not yet caught up. Taiwan, South Korea. Not reached, not mastered, lacked funding.
              On the cut, yes, on the scientific and technological developments of the modern level, no.
              The traditions of those still "technocrats" are alive.
              1. Andrey57
                Andrey57 16 February 2014 12: 42
                +5
                I remember that at the end of the 70's at one of the closed meetings, one of the industry leaders complained that the electronics base in our electronics was lagging behind. And this negatively affects the quality of products. The Minister’s response sounded sharply and categorically: “With a good elemental base, a rocket and ... will do! And you achieve the required reliability with the components that you have! ”


                And Dmitry Fedorovich was absolutely right - something always bothers a worthless dancer!
                And as an example - in 1984, the time between failures in REO in the military aviation of the USSR was 8,4 hours, and for mattresses the time between failures was 7 hours. The difference in 1,4 hours of failure, which implies that, all things being equal, we had at
                8,4-7,0 = 1,4: 100% = 15% "more" serviceable aircraft in the air! And these data are not from the literature, our chief engineer of the research institute, the mailbox, as they called it then, in response to complaints about the lagging of the combat electronic equipment, "rubbed our nose".
                The second example - our "guarantors" brought the NURS control unit from the Crocodile from Afghanistan, which was knocked down, the block was deformed diagonally, became a diamond, when the chief engineer of the manufacturing plant asked why they brought broken scrap metal across the land, the guys said that the broken block working. At first, they did not believe them, and the chief engineer promised them to unscrew something if the unit does not turn on at the stand, but the unit on the stand performed all the tests normally. After that, this block stood in the office of the director of the manufacturing plant until the entire plant was destroyed by fucking reformers, as well as almost all the factories of the Ministry of Radio Industry.
                The third example - during the war in Lebanon in 1982, the Turks gave a corridor for our IL-76 with a width of 100m, in the hope that they would not stay in it and the corridor would be closed, and so the on-board computers of the "Gnome" course broke all their hopes - Ily went in the corridor 50m and not one "fell out", this is to the question of "lag".
                1. gardener
                  gardener 16 February 2014 23: 30
                  -1
                  With you, dear Andrei57, we cannot but agree. Indeed, "... something is in the way!"
                  Only this is not theirs, not techies, "something."

                  The talented developer (“dancer”) “danced” products that were competitive both on the world market and on the battlefield, was prevented by the “factor” you were bashfully unnamed,
                  belonging to the nomenclature "patriots" who have become stagnant in swaggering complacency.
                  To the empty, untalented apologists for the propaganda slogan "Soviet means excellent."

                  Is it not for truncating this “... something ...” that an instrument placed on the coat of arms of the USSR is intended?

                  With bright brains and skillful hands, our country has always been famous.
                  If it weren’t for our eternal misfortune - for one genius with a dozen stupid, not-too-big-minded captains (imagine: to the bravura treasury music - "... the Soviet Navy is provided ... waste ... reject the application ..."). That is why our discoveries, inventions, innovative solutions too often were “capitalized” somewhere there, in the distance. And only then they returned to their homeland to us in the form of an import "firm."
                  An example that is closer: Alferov - mobile communications.

                  But such self-sufficient specialists in their enthusiastic hat-making, like you, dear Andrei57, were quite satisfied with the then Kremlin seniors, who gave all their remarkable energy and organizational abilities to the vicious, dead-end idea of ​​socialism-communism.

                  Therefore, everything collapsed around us.

                  Now wait a couple of decades, until a generation of engineers more critical of the official "noodle" is born.
              2. Justme
                Justme 16 February 2014 17: 01
                0
                I caught the “managers” of the military-industrial complex of the Stalinist sourdough. I watched them, so to speak, “in action”: the “upper” crushed the “lower”, those, in turn, stamped their feet, literally stomped and inhumanly humiliated the lower ones. (It turns out, it used to be, the shop manager from the production manager, smiles miserably ...:


                There is such a problem ..
                It should be noted and added that if real experts somehow disappear from the key points in such a hierarchical pyramid, this will remind the engine in zero gear and outrageous revolutions .. there will be little sense from such work.
                And the tendency of leaching specialists from the top of the pyramid was observed already in the 80s
                Now for specialists - there are alternatives - and the work in this pyramd is not impressive ..

                For some reason, I did NOT consider the leaders of the research institutes, design bureaus, where I worked, to be technocrats, because the level of those leaders was understandable, they usually pulled simply on "tsarkov".
                Any work on the creation of new technology requires its own logic - for example, I need full normal iterations to create something new .. and here you are just a pawn next to the imperious but impotent "queen"
                For example, I quit when, according to the Network Schedule, the beginning of work for me was done in July (2012), and the actual end was in May (2012).

                As for the essence of technical issues on the same electronics, we must always remember that there is a big difference - what can be really done - and what will really be allowed to be done.

                So, the traditions of those "technocrats" should definitely be changed.

                For reference. But to Baumanka Ustinov's account - he was expelled (it seems from the third year ..)

                1. gardener
                  gardener 17 February 2014 00: 31
                  0
                  The problem is yes.
                  At the moment - institutional (we will not go deep ...).
                  As for the “... transcendental ...” turns in the field of engineering, alas, somehow, (I’ll make a reservation) from my “point of view” - it is not observed.
                  Creative personalities nurtured in our land, but who have not found opportunities for self-realization here for themselves, are suddenly found somewhere there, beyond the oceans. Where there is less treasury, where I do not know if there is a place for adherents
                  relic ideology
                  (see below for one of the readers: "... Ustinov is a man. STAINSK STAFF!"))

                  In my time, such “blocks” were still fully met along the paths of technical (and social) progress. It always seemed to me that these were not blocks, and certainly not technocrats. Rather, stumbling blocks. Representatives of the "on the ground" and their descendants, the successors of the traditions (what iterations are, dear JustMe, what are you saying!).

                  They cannot be proved, they cannot be convinced. Neither go around, nor go round: "The conquests of October!"

                  "... what can be really done - and what is really allowed to be done ..."

                  It is scary to imagine the amount of investment in science and technology in the amount of $ 50 yards! But they sailed away to feed officials from the "sport of high achievement."

                  Wait
                  Maybe everything will somehow work out somehow, for our country
        2. alone
          alone 15 February 2014 19: 30
          +10
          Quote: Polovec
          Rogozin has someone to look up to.


          Well, you compared Rogozin and Ustinov. I remember the Minister of Defense, Ustinov. Rogozin is not even suitable for a driver. And you know why? Too talkative.
          1. Polovec
            Polovec 15 February 2014 19: 40
            +4
            I did not compare Rogozin with Ustinov! I said that Rogozin has someone to look up to! This is not the same thing!
            I joined the army under Ustinov. after him we didn’t have the real Ministers of Defense! There were ministers ...
            But if you do not have a standard, then how to make a quality thing? Even if the standard is unattainable, you must try!
        3. Combitor
          Combitor 16 February 2014 00: 53
          +6
          Quote: Polovec
          Rogozin has someone to look up to.

          They poked a finger at the sky. The comparison between Dmitry Ustinov and Rogozin, to put it mildly, is unsuccessful.
          Rogozin generally can’t stand on the same level with Dmitry Ustinov in any way. To put it more precisely ... Their tasks in life are different. Ustinov in the war was the people's commissar of defense. Without exaggeration, we can say that for his part he made a huge contribution to our victory. And when he was the USSR Minister of Defense, not in words, but in fact raised the country's defense potential, strengthened the military-industrial complex.
          And Rogozin is an ordinary 3,14 zdobol. Parsley at the fair. Where to go, light up at an exhibition, some salon, exhibition or meeting. In short - "wedding general". Or blurt out some nonsense all over the country (if not the world). One proposal to rename the Far East is worth a lot.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 16 February 2014 00: 58
            +3
            Quote: Kombitor
            And Rogozin is an ordinary ...


            More precisely, nowhere to say, Sash!
          2. Combitor
            Combitor 16 February 2014 01: 40
            +1
            Quote: Kombitor
            Ustinov in the war was the people's commissar of defense.

            I correct myself. He promoted Dmitry Fedorovich. Not defense, but weapons, of course. But the essence of my comment does not change from this.
          3. major1976
            major1976 16 February 2014 19: 52
            0
            I agree! In short, Rogozin is an official! Let's look at his affairs !!!!
        4. major1976
          major1976 16 February 2014 19: 47
          0
          I read the comments of colleagues on the workshop! Almost everyone agrees with 100 percent! Ustinov is a man. STABLISH DRUG!
    2. onegin61
      onegin61 15 February 2014 09: 22
      -20%
      YOU ARE SO CORRECT. CONTROL QUESTION: WHAT COMPLEX DO YOU HAVE AT THE AVATARK? And then the "specialists" divorced like dogs ...
      1. sssla
        sssla 15 February 2014 09: 44
        +6
        Quote: Onegin61
        YOU ARE SO CORRECT. CONTROL QUESTION: WHAT COMPLEX DO YOU HAVE AT THE AVATARK? And then the "specialists" divorced like dogs ...

        Are you Onegin? Well, tell me the name of Onegin's grandfather! So I'll see what you are for specials with such a nickname)
        1. onegin61
          onegin61 15 February 2014 10: 04
          -17%
          Quote: sssla
          Are you Onegin? Well, tell me the name of Onegin's grandfather! So I'll see what you are for specials with such a nickname)

          Closer to military issues, please, otherwise there are enough philologists (Ivanov, Rogozin, etc.)
      2. Polovec
        Polovec 15 February 2014 10: 06
        +9
        Some people, for the sake of the desire to distinguish themselves from the masses, without any outstanding abilities or knowledge, follow the beaten path - they become contradictory with all the jesters.
        Do you really consider yourself the most on this site? Aren't you bored with us?
        1. onegin61
          onegin61 15 February 2014 11: 43
          -11%
          I have been living for a long time, I know a lot and I have three higher educations, and clowns with jesters are up there, one "specialist" manages the state, another government, and they have chosen the same environment, only the economy does not move from its place, as it was in -No, so there it is, 13 years already have the same intentions. No brains, stay at home.
          1. Max otto
            Max otto 15 February 2014 13: 58
            +14
            From life experience, I’ll tell you: a person with a second higher education requires increased attention so that he doesn’t mess up anywhere, burdened with knowledge. A person with three higher educations already needs constant supervision, because the paradox of thinking is over the top, ideas are not viable and are far ahead of existing reality. And the question is, why the third? The first two did not help?
            This is a life experience, nothing personal, so to speak, real life.
            1. Polovec
              Polovec 15 February 2014 16: 39
              +7
              Mr. Onegin! Your three formations do not help you write correctly in Russian. This is by the way ...
              Not always in horse feed.
            2. Solex
              Solex 16 February 2014 02: 02
              0
              Bravo, Max!
            3. major1976
              major1976 16 February 2014 19: 56
              +1
              Max Otto Would you drink honey with your mouth! Not in the eyebrow but in the eye !! So their professors are fake! I agree with the question why the three higher ????
          2. Current 72
            Current 72 15 February 2014 18: 16
            +4
            Onegin 61! Three higher educations are cool. And what did it give you? I grabbed the tops, in one, the second and the third, but to no avail. We have people say about such, a proverb: Grew up under the sky, and d .... that is required. Well, if the three higher ones benefited you, then, SORRY me, and think about what and how you write.
      3. kind
        kind 15 February 2014 13: 51
        +16
        WHAT IS THE COMPLEX YOU HAVE AT THE AVATARK? And then the "specialists" divorced like dogs ...

        I have 9K72 "Elbrus" on my avatar, and I served on it! So you would not be rude about dogs, dear.
    3. Name
      Name 15 February 2014 10: 30
      0
      Somehow in 85 it’s normal. AHA.
  2. muks
    muks 15 February 2014 07: 49
    +15
    A shot was fired at a peaceful Soviet tractor while cultivating land near the Sino-Soviet border from the Chinese side ... Having suppressed the aggressor's firing points with five missile salvos, the peaceful Soviet tractor returned to its native MTS on a low-level flight. The Director of MTS (Colonel General Popov) thanked the tractor crew, and the Minister of Agriculture, DMITRY FEDOROVICH USTINOV, said that if this happens again, he will give instructions to let out planters, winders and threshers with vertical take-off! _______________ Until now, what happened under Dmitry Fedorovich (YES IT WILL BE EARTH IN THE FLOW!) has been used up! And not all the achievements have been implemented!
    1. max702
      max702 15 February 2014 12: 33
      +18
      I will tell you about the blatant fact:
      On the banks of the Amur, amidst the fields
      Caught our simple Soviet tractor
      In the sight of six Chinese batteries.

      Hit a volley, shells flew,
      But the tractor driver was a guy with a head:
      He presses the pedal - and now the goal is not visible
      In the smoke curtain delivered.

      And the tractor soared over the pretty side
      And at the same moment the aggressor responded,
      To protect us frighten by war
      Hit a volley of tactical missiles.

      And our tractor driver, captain Litvinov,
      I looked at the map and turned on the afterburner,
      Calmly bombed over Beijing
      And laid home turn.

      He turned off the reactor over Cupid,
      So as not to frighten native sheep and goats.
      Our Soviet tractor rushed in the sky
      To refuel in your own collective farm.

      And, if the enemy takes action again,
      To prevent us from harvesting,
      Order of the USSR Agroprom
      A harvester will fly to our field.
      Igor Baykov
      1. internatio
        internatio 15 February 2014 15: 25
        +4
        Well said. For 60-70s of the last century. But we are in the present, in 2014. And we see the results of "perestroika", "revolutions" and other nasty things. How Ustinov is needed in Ukraine now! Or his follower.
  3. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 15 February 2014 07: 53
    +10
    Ustinov is truly a Stalin’s Commissar, who during the years of the war organized the evacuation of industry to the east and in a short time achieved an increase in the production of military equipment. After the war, a new weapons system was created, which we use now.
    Under Ustinov, it seems, they started to give out eggs for breakfast - it was already becoming more fun, we still don’t eat porridge - it turns.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 15 February 2014 12: 19
      +9
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      eggs for breakfast -

      They gave eggs on Saturday and Sunday, we still made omelettes, though in small quantities, so the companies on the weekend practically ran for breakfast to get this treat laughing
      1. RONIN-HS
        RONIN-HS 16 February 2014 14: 37
        0
        Eggs began to be issued even under Grechko, it seems in 1975, and Grechko died in May 1976. We rode the train on a demobilization and found out the news.
  4. santush
    santush 15 February 2014 08: 28
    +4
    Yes, they’ll look for such Ministers now, but you’ll search in Ukraine, you won’t find it !!!!!! Ukraine’s Defense Ministry is run by anyone !!!
  5. vanaheym
    vanaheym 15 February 2014 08: 44
    +4
    It's a shame one, such people have gone somewhere. Either died out, or went into commerce.
    1. avt
      avt 15 February 2014 10: 19
      +6
      Quote: vanaheym
      It's a shame one, such people have gone somewhere. Either died out, or went into commerce.

      So according to the king and the boyars. Well, this must be seen almost in the kid, who is in full swing on a motorcycle, a candidate for people's commissars. Assign to the post and, after the accident, forbid him to ride a motorcycle at all.
      Quote: Onegin61
      But now everything is "different": the Minister of Defense has not served a single day in the army, has not graduated from any military educational institution has the rank of army general with education -

      Lazar Kaganovich without any crusts at all, it’s another matter that these people didn’t buy money bought in the transition under the fake diplomas in the transition, or, again, received money from incomprehensible universities, not for fear, contrary to swanidzam, but for good conscience. They absorbed knowledge like a dry sponge and did real things, and this, unlike the present managerial times, people put people in their places according to their real affairs, and not according to the chatter of the piracy. Yes, and the educational system of training and retraining was then established and was not adjusted Compare with the current education reform focused on consumer education. “We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able now to take control of the state. But we (...) demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to run the state, to carry on the everyday, daily work of the administration, only wealthy officials or wealthy families can take officials. "We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training." It was carried out clearly in those days.
    2. internatio
      internatio 15 February 2014 15: 18
      +6
      Alas, some have died out. Some have aged, and much more. And a small part perished in all oddities. I'm talking about the scale of the former. the territory of the USSR, and about Ukraine. By the way, this is exactly what the pro-Westerners and Western experts were counting on - when our veterans leave, and the youth will not be the same to play these "revotions".
      I remember and love Dmitry Fedorovich, not only as my Minister of Defense of the USSR, but also for his dedication to the ideals of the country. We also believed him, almost limitlessly.
  6. onegin61
    onegin61 15 February 2014 09: 42
    +2
    Quote: vanaheym
    It's a shame one, such people have gone somewhere. Either died out, or went into commerce.

    But now everything is "different": the Minister of Defense has not served a single day in the army, has not graduated from any military educational institution has the rank of general of the army with education - builder of the 80s, deputy prime minister for defense orders with a philologist education. look at Putin's entourage, the conclusion is directed: what is the priest, such is the parish. All around there is only chatter, everything is based on the high price of hydrocarbons, the price will fall, everything will be better.
    1. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 16 February 2014 14: 41
      +1
      Dear colleague Onegin, before writing
      Quote: Onegin61
      did not graduate from any military educational institution
      it would be worth looking into the biography of "Putin's entourage". In Soviet times, they graduated from universities with a military department, and therefore, with the receipt of diplomas, they received officer shoulder straps. In the USSR, only 5% of graduates of universities with military departments were called up to serve in the Armed Forces, and the rest went to work in the national economy, and not just anywhere, but where these specialists were required (and not rarely far away). And, only after completing the prescribed period, they could go to work wherever they pleased.
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  8. onegin61
    onegin61 15 February 2014 11: 01
    -1
    Quote: Polovec
    Some people, for the sake of the desire to distinguish themselves from the masses, without any outstanding abilities or knowledge, follow the beaten path - they become contradictory with all the jesters.
    Do you really consider yourself the most on this site? Aren't you bored with us?

    I have been living for a long time, I know a lot and I have three higher educations, and clowns with jesters are up there, one "specialist" manages the state, another government, and they have chosen the same environment, only the economy does not move from its place, as it was in -No, so there it is, 13 years already have the same intentions. No brains, stay at home.
  9. onegin61
    onegin61 15 February 2014 11: 29
    -6
    Quote: avt
    We are not utopians. We know that any laborer and any cook are not able now to take control of the state. But we (...) demand an immediate break with the prejudice that it is to rule the state, to carry on the everyday, daily work of the administration, only wealthy officials or wealthy families can take officials. "We demand that training in public administration be given by conscious workers and soldiers, and that it begin immediately, that is, all workers, the whole poor, immediately begin to be involved in this training." It was carried out clearly in those days.

    I would like to get up and march, as I visited at a party meeting. You don’t have to march to move economics. Stolypin is needed, Witt, and we have plenty of balobol.
    1. avt
      avt 15 February 2014 11: 43
      +5
      Quote: Onegin61
      You don’t have to march the economy. Stolypin is needed, Witt, and we have plenty of balobol.

      Here, according to this recipe, Ulyanov, the party nickname Lenin, which I cited, in general, such people as Ustinov raised the country after the Civil and Patriotic War, and not virtually, not according to intelligent laughter about
      Quote: Onegin61
      I want to get up and march, as I attended a party meeting

      and thoughtful -
      Quote: Onegin61
      You don’t have to march the economy.
      , but quite specifically, so the manager was privatized and couldn’t finish it to the end, but -
      Quote: Onegin61
      and balobol.
      , and yes
      Quote: Onegin61
      I have higher education

      we really
      Quote: Onegin61
      in abundance.
      1. onegin61
        onegin61 15 February 2014 12: 15
        -8
        XNUMXx filolori, philologists, as you already got it. Spell out the letters, practice.
        1. avt
          avt 15 February 2014 12: 31
          +5
          Quote: Onegin61
          XNUMXx filolori, philologists, as you already got it. Spell out the letters, practice.

          laughing And it's all ? Not enough for more than three entities? Even on the Internet, nothing was found for argumentation, except for such a performance of an echoing "wise old man"?
        2. Current 72
          Current 72 15 February 2014 18: 28
          +3
          Onegin, maybe enough bile to pour out, it is enough for us in life.
        3. major1976
          major1976 16 February 2014 20: 12
          0
          Let me blame me, but in part I agree with Onega61 about politics and Prime Minister Dima !!! I just don’t understand him, why are the three highest ??? Why shout about it? Cheap show-offs !!!! It would be better to work in the national economy and apply my knowledge to practice! And sitting in a city with three higher ones is easy to teach everyone else!
  10. mithridate
    mithridate 15 February 2014 11: 33
    +1
    profanation has penetrated all walks of life ...
  11. moremansf
    moremansf 15 February 2014 11: 33
    +11
    I deeply respect D.F. Ustinov, he did a lot for the country's defense. A real, not an operetta marshal !!! As of now, these are not enough !!!
  12. predator.3
    predator.3 15 February 2014 11: 59
    +16
    Under him, the most ambitious military exercises, West-81, Shield-82, were held!
  13. demotivator
    demotivator 15 February 2014 12: 39
    +15
    D.F. Ustinov is an outstanding leader, a technocrat, as the author of the article called him. Today, instead of technocrats-leaders, managers-"managers", as M. Zadornov called them, have replaced them. These are those who know how to chat, but do not know how to organize a BUSINESS. In 1991, instead of statesmen, came a tribe of hollows, political adventurers and corrupt skins.
    Previously, our army was led by the legendary Marshals G.K. Zhukov, R.Ya. Malinovsky, A.A. Grechko, D.F. Ustinov, S.L. Sokolov - strategists, clever women. And now there are completely gray personalities, whose nickname in the troops is “the linguist” and “engine” are the most harmless.
    Today we really lack technocrats.
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 16 February 2014 09: 29
      0
      Quote: demotivator
      whose nickname in the troops is “linguist” and “engine” are the most harmless.

      Sorry for the curiosity, "linguist" is "Vanin", and who is "steam engine"? request
  14. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 15 February 2014 14: 32
    +1
    THANKS FOR THE ARTICLE, INTERESTING!
  15. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 15 February 2014 15: 09
    +1
    The article is excellent. Very informative.

    And yes. Fix

    T-80 tanks with a turbojet engine
  16. Support
    Support 15 February 2014 16: 06
    +2
    And I recall the demobilization rhyme (ending) - ... sea beer, vodka basin and Ustinova order!
  17. parus2nik
    parus2nik 15 February 2014 17: 14
    +4
    And if you look like that, the USSR Ministry of Defense was led by a civilian and how he directed .. There are no more ..
  18. loginovich
    loginovich 15 February 2014 17: 28
    +4
    Ustinov is still the head.
  19. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 15 February 2014 18: 01
    -5
    the undoubted strength of the Soviet Army, forcing even the most violent heads in the West to think about the consequences of possible aggression. At the same time, they were by no means afraid of only the number of potential adversaries — Suvorov also realized the principle of “fighting with skill”. And with him - that is, given modern realities, with the quality of weapons - the Soviet Union was all right ...

    laughing


    In total, the US Air Force strategic command was armed with the 2000 B-47 Stratojet


    IF THE USA WOULD LIKE WAR WITH THE UNION - THEY WOULD START IT IN THE 1950-ies
    There was no better time - the "golden era" of bomber aircraft, Soviet MiGs are powerless against the B-47 Stratojet. There is no need to fear a retaliatory strike - the USSR has neither a fleet nor an air force capable of reaching the United States.

    May 9, 1954 - air battle over the Kola Peninsula. Two MIG-15 regiments were raised to intercept the Stratojet. Hell no. The intruder "filmed" all objects and went to the UK

    From bases in England and Germany, the British on the Canberras and the Americans on the RB-57F broke through the air defense system. Only in the period from 4 to 9 July 1956. high-altitude scouts made 5 breakthroughs to a depth of 150-350 km. on the routes: Grodno-Minsk-Vilnius-Kaunas-Kaliningrad; Brest-Pinsk-Baranovichi-Kaunas-Kaliningrad. In 1957.
    Canberra flew unhindered to Baku in 1958. scouts of the same type appeared in the sky of Ukraine, including over Kiev. They flew into the Moscow air defense zone.



    1956 - Operation Home Run - 156 incursions into Soviet airspace per week. Not a single RB-47 was shot down

    If the Yankees wanted, they would have erased the USSR in a few hours. In the military-industrial sector, the Yankees have always been ahead of the USSR by 10-20 years



    WHY DID NOT ATTACK?
    What for??? What benefits could the west give to the war with the USSR? What are these costs for? Natural resources? They can be easily obtained in other countries: drive tankers to the coast of the warm Persian Gulf - and pump oil as much as you want.
    The West could destroy the USSR. But what to do then? It will turn out 200 million hungry embittered beggars. And what's next? It is impossible to control the territory of Russia - in view of its extremely huge size. To extract natural resources is too difficult a task, they can and should be extracted in other countries, with much lower costs

    San Diego, California, 1950s. Try to convince these people that they need a war with the USSR ??
    1. Kars
      Kars 15 February 2014 18: 11
      +7
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      If the Yankees wanted, they would have erased the USSR in a few hours

      You are exaggerating the power of nuclear weapons.
      The USSR would have burned Europe to the ground anyway, if Moscow and Leningrad were destroyed by nuclear weapons, then of course the United States would win but would receive only ashes and fallout.
    2. kush62
      kush62 15 February 2014 19: 47
      +2
      If they weren’t afraid, they would attack. Immediately after the Second World War, they were about to drop several atomic bombs. But still they did not dare. And in 1949, after analyzing air samples from the USSR, it was discovered that we also have atomic weapons. Since then, they are afraid to get a response. They can mess with the wrong hands, but never in the open.
    3. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 15 February 2014 22: 07
      +4
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      There was no better time - the "golden era" of bomber aviation, Soviet MiGs are powerless against the B-47 Stratojet.

      What did they chew snot in Korea?
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 15 February 2014 22: 43
        -1
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        What did they chew snot in Korea?

        And here is Korea?
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 15 February 2014 22: 56
          0
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          If the Yankees wanted, they would have erased the USSR in a few hours

          Quote: saturn.mmm
          What did they chew snot in Korea?

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          And here is Korea?
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 16 February 2014 01: 40
            0
            And what should the Yankees do in Korea?
            No nuclear weapons were used there, they fought with obsolete weapons of WWII and the first post-war years

            The limited nuclear weapons use plan (Operation Hudson's Bay) remained unrealized
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Hudson_Harbor
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 16 February 2014 11: 42
              0
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              And what should the Yankees do in Korea?

              To solve all the problems in an hour, North Korea was slightly different from the USSR.
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              No nuclear weapons were used there, they fought with obsolete weapons of WWII and the first post-war years

              Well, in 1950 this was what they were supposed to fight. To use nuclear weapons in a civil war, even for Americans, is overly cool, though ....
              Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
              Nuclear Weapons Limited Use Plan

              This is usually done from impotence or intimidation.
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 16 February 2014 12: 45
                0
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                IF THE USA WOULD LIKE A WAR WITH THE UNION

                They both wanted and prepared, but did not dare.
                You can assume anything.
                1. Santa Fe
                  Santa Fe 16 February 2014 14: 36
                  0
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  They both wanted and prepared, but did not dare.

                  Motive. There is no motive in Nuclear War

                  You cannot drive Amer to war with a whip
              2. Santa Fe
                Santa Fe 16 February 2014 14: 34
                +1
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Solve all problems in an hour.

                This is a local war. The use of nuclear weapons is excluded. The struggle is for expanding influence, not for the nuclear ashes
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                Well, in 1950 this year they had to fight

                Well what are you, dear. The Yankees, like ours, drove the obsolete rubbish from WWII into Korea - just look at the Amer naval formations. And the T-34 tanks

                Stratojets did not take part in the war, Fortresses flew instead

                The first hydrogen bomb was tested on November 1, 1952 at Enewetok Atoll (Marshall Islands) - a full-scale test of the two-stage Eevee Mike device. The power of the explosion was 10,4 megatons, which is 450 times the power of the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. A combat-ready model probably appeared only after the end of the war.

                I spoke about the 1953-1957 period. There is no better time to attack the USSR
                Quote: saturn.mmm
                This is usually done from impotence or intimidation.

                And then!
                Fighting with billionth China (I exaggerate, but I think the meaning is clear) on fists, conventional weapons - these are not jokes with Grenada. And given the generous supply of weapons and military experts from the USSR, the carcasses are generally light. Once they held onto the 38-th parallel request
                1. saturn.mmm
                  saturn.mmm 16 February 2014 17: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  . Once they held onto the 38th parallel

                  Agreed
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  This is a local war. The use of nuclear weapons is excluded.

                  How so? Nuclear Weapons Limited Use Plan (Operation Hudson's Bay)
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  You cannot drive Amer to war with a whip

                  They felt like taste in the 40s still can not stop.
                  A motive is real material values ​​(ask how Libya was divided)
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  Well what are you, dear. The Yankees, like ours, drove obsolete WWII trash to Korea

                  Finished with the newest fighter ever in America.
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  The first hydrogen bomb was tested on November 1, 1952 at the Envetok Atoll.

                  Not certainly in that way
                  On November 1, 1952, the United States detonated the first thermonuclear charge on the Envetok Atoll. The world's first hydrogen bomb - the Soviet RDS-6 was detonated on August 12, 1953 at a training ground in Semipalatinsk. The device, tested by the United States in 1952, was not actually a “bomb,” but a laboratory sample, a “3-story house filled with liquid deuterium,” made in the form of a special design. Soviet scientists developed the bomb itself - a complete device suitable for practical use.
                  1. Santa Fe
                    Santa Fe 16 February 2014 20: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Agreed

                    To do this, you must have the consent of both parties

                    How did you manage to break the DPRK, supported by Chinese volunteers and pumped up weapons from the Union ?! Comrade Kim Mr Sen wanted to tear off the entire peninsula, but it didn’t work out ...
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Nuclear Weapons Limited Use Plan (Operation Hudson's Bay)

                    The dying nonsense of old generals
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    A motive is real material values

                    Well this is not a nuclear war
                    And they fight limitedly, with absolute tech. superiority over the enemy. with loss account l / s 1: 100
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Finished with the newest fighter ever in America.

                    But there was no newest bomber in Korea. That's the trick
                    Quote: saturn.mmm
                    Not certainly in that way

                    Yes, this is a good addition +
                    1. saturn.mmm
                      saturn.mmm 16 February 2014 23: 15
                      0
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      And they fight limitedly, with absolute tech. superiority over the enemy. with loss account l / s

                      In the case of the USSR and the USA, it’s like two predators dividing the territory of the hunt. Therefore, the United States has always been concerned about the competitor.
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      But there was no newest bomber in Korea. That's the trick

                      According to the performance characteristics of the MiG-15, it could well hook the B-47 in Korea. The small territory of Korea, there is no room for maneuver. I would not risk the latest bomber.
    4. Horn
      Horn 17 February 2014 09: 07
      +3
      Korea-Vietnam-Afghanistan. What hindered the US victory? The eggs?
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 18 February 2014 05: 56
        +1
        Quote: Horn
        Korea-Vietnam-Afghanistan. What hindered the US victory? The eggs?
        In Afghanistan, they have no Eggs per se, and in Korea and Vietnam, the USSR has SUCH ANSWERS ...
  20. konvalval
    konvalval 15 February 2014 19: 29
    +7
    I had the honor to serve under his command. In addition to all his other merits, under him, the technical training in the troops was raised to the level of basic disciplines. The main motto he put forward was "you know the technique, you know the tactics."
  21. voliador
    voliador 15 February 2014 20: 04
    +10
    One of the most competent leaders who were in the Soviet Union! The article is a plus. The woodpecker, who put her minus - on the head with a shovel (at least virtual).
  22. Des10
    Des10 15 February 2014 20: 34
    +7
    My father did not serve, all his life - in the defense industry, techie ... And on November 7 and May 1 - at the demonstrations I carried a poster with a photo of D.F.Ustinov ... and I walked alongside. He knew him by business.
    The article is a plus.
  23. demotivator
    demotivator 15 February 2014 20: 40
    +1
    Quote: kush62
    Since then, they are afraid to get a response. They can mess with the wrong hands, but never in the open.

    Exactly. While we have nuclear weapons, they are unlikely to dare to open confrontation. They didn't even dare to attack Syria as long as it has chemical weapons. They openly support the "rebels", but they don't go there themselves. So, the nuclear component of our Armed Forces is really the guarantor of our security. While.
  24. kind
    kind 15 February 2014 21: 59
    +2
    The vast majority of the armament of the armed forces of the RF Armed Forces was created in the 70-90s, the rest is its modernization. It’s good if there is an weapon about which, because of secrecy, we don’t know !!!
  25. bistrov.
    bistrov. 15 February 2014 22: 27
    +7
    I had to serve under Ustinov and me. In the army, however, some "booze", they say, were given to the "civil". But Ustinov showed himself from the best side as the Minister of Defense. For example, in the Strategic Missile Forces, mine ICBMs were reconstructed every three years. It is a pity that Marshal Ustinov caught a cold during an exercise in Belarus, fell ill with pneumonia and died. I think the specialist was outstanding.
  26. mvv
    mvv 15 February 2014 22: 30
    +2
    Good article! There would be more of these, but to the Stalin's Commissars - ETERNAL GLORY!
  27. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 15 February 2014 23: 32
    +2
    Quote: Good
    I have 9K72 "Elbrus" on my avatar, and I served on it!

    Congratulations, colleague! And I served on it. First in the Technical Battery, then in the Technical Support Platoon. I had to run, but there were a lot of impressions! soldier
  28. Vikmay16
    Vikmay16 16 February 2014 00: 19
    +2
    A good article is right! We have something to be proud of! Do not underestimate our defense industry of that time!
  29. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 16 February 2014 00: 33
    +1
    MAX 702 THANKS !!! Respected the old colonel. About Dmitry Fedorovich - a great organizer-defender! There is a photograph in the album (about 35 years ago, the deputy politician slammed. Sometimes we look at it with friends, raise a glass! Bright memory to him!
  30. studentmati
    studentmati 16 February 2014 00: 52
    +3
    A politician who understood military designers. The Minister who supported and developed the Soviet Cosmonautics and Aviation!



    Honor and glory!!! soldier
  31. Azaat
    Azaat 16 February 2014 01: 00
    +2
    Ustinov knew about the power of nuclear weapons. The fact that in case of any conflict it must be applied. But still, he considered it necessary to maintain an army of armored and motorized troops
  32. klavyr
    klavyr 16 February 2014 02: 12
    0
    Under him, we were afraid and our beloved country could sleep peacefully.
    1. Silvio
      Silvio 16 February 2014 19: 10
      +1
      It seems to me that the technical component of the country's defense capability was developing, but not everything was so good in terms of parity, and even more so if we talk about total superiority over NATO. Why then did you have to capitulate in the Cold War? Then, Dmitry Fedorovich, there was a "jacket", whatever one may say, and during his career he had not commanded either a platoon or a district. In my opinion, the decline of the SA traditions began under him. His predecessor was a true Cold War hawk, knew about the problems of the army and did not tolerate fraud.
  33. andris_74
    andris_74 16 February 2014 04: 50
    +1
    "the army received T-80 tanks with a turbojet engine" figase ...
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 16 February 2014 12: 42
      0
      Quote: andris_74
      "the army received T-80 tanks with a turbojet engine" figase ...

      Yes, the identity laughed, the author just liked the word, it happens wink
  34. RoTTor
    RoTTor 16 February 2014 21: 24
    +1
    The true STALIN DRUGS = all this is said.
    As a representative of the military-industrial complex, he provided the military-industrial complex with work and the army with new weapons.
    However, when he was appointed, the appearance of his cap on one side, uniforms with a sack and the bearing of a "jacket" made regular officers smile, naturally.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 18 February 2014 06: 00
      0
      Quote: RoTTor
      However, when he was appointed, the appearance of his cap on one side, uniforms with a sack and the bearing of a "jacket" made regular officers smile, naturally.

      But he quickly "got it off", didn't he?