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The command of the Navy of the Russian Federation abandoned the OVR corvette in favor of the patrol ship

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The command of the Navy of the Russian Federation abandoned the OVR corvette in favor of the patrol shipNaval Command fleet Russia abandoned the concept of corvette for the protection of water areas (IWR). Instead, it is planned to create patrol ships. Admiral Viktor Chirkov, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, said this in a blitz interview with the Central Navy Portal.


The Commander-in-Chief does not see a prospect in the creation of ships previously designated as "Corvette OVR". One of the main tasks of the OVR is to ensure the protection and defense of naval forces in the areas of naval bases and in the territories adjacent to them. This task is now carried out by coastal surveillance equipment, stationary sonar stations and coastal missile and artillery troops, armed with anti-ship missiles of different ranges, as well as anti-submarine and shock Aviation.

Rejecting the corvette, the Navy turned to the idea of ​​creating patrol ships - less armed, but with greater autonomy and versatility, capable, including, to go on long hikes. The design of the patrol ship will be handled by the North Design Bureau.

What the new patrol ships will be is prematurely speaking.

Corvette protection of the water area should have been a ships of modular design, equipped with a large number of robotic means. The ships were planned to assign tasks that must be performed in coastal areas. According to the plan, 5 corvettes were to be built: for each of the four fleets and one for the Caspian flotilla. The works would have been completed by the end of 2017.
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  1. ybrcfy27
    ybrcfy27 11 February 2014 11: 23
    +9
    The main thing is to stand at least something, it will be better
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 February 2014 11: 56
      +11
      The fact of the matter is that corvettes have already been designed and one could talk about sales in metal. But here everything is in darkness. And the result is not yet known.
      Something it reminds me of ... Is there money or not? It’s not clear what kind of solution.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 11 February 2014 12: 30
        +8
        Concept. The OVR corvette was drawn to replace the IPC 1124 and MRK / RCA in their dimension, without autonomy and seaworthiness. However, they decided that this is already irrelevant today. And ships are needed that are capable of fulfilling the entire range of tasks in the near sea zone and adapted for long trips.

        In other words, traditionally from the IPC to replace 1124 (11540), we will grow a full-fledged TFR, as 11540 came out.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 11 February 2014 12: 47
          +12
          probably the command of the Navy is aware of the need for certain ships (I hope), otherwise we are all soooo experts ...
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 February 2014 13: 24
            +5
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            probably the command of the Navy is aware of the need for certain ships (I hope), otherwise we are all soooo experts ...

            development of 20380 project corvettes, launching of them in a series, the intention to build 20 of such ships and the abandonment of the program after the first corvettes went into operation, and with replacement, not by equivalent ships of another project, but by ships, in fact, of a different class about it
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 11 February 2014 17: 16
              +2
              wait, wait, something I am now completely confused. what does 20380 have to do with it? it's not about them, or didn’t I understand? already 3 serial 20380 go to sea. what cancellations?
            2. Associate Professor
              Associate Professor 11 February 2014 18: 40
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              development of 20380 project corvettes, launching of them in a series, the intention to build 20 of such ships and the abandonment of the program after the first corvettes went into operation, and with replacement, not by equivalent ships of another project, but by ships, in fact, of a different class about it

              And where is the project 20380? There is not a word about him in the article. We are talking about the design project of a promising corvette.
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 11 February 2014 14: 21
            +6
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            probably the command of the Navy is aware of the need for certain ships (I hope), otherwise we are all soooo experts ...

            As practice shows, the commander of these Fridays this week — they can infinitely change technical tasks, the armament range and behave like a woman during pregnancy — they need something different every day.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 February 2014 14: 45
              +7
              Quote: lelikas
              As practice shows, the commander of Sey Fridays in the week

              I remember some demotivator
              “Who are we ?!”
              - Women!
              - What do we want ?!
              - We don’t know !!
              “When do we want this ?!”
              - Right now !!!
            2. Su24
              Su24 11 February 2014 17: 39
              0
              Quote: lelikas
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              probably the command of the Navy is aware of the need for certain ships (I hope), otherwise we are all soooo experts ...

              As practice shows, the commander of these Fridays this week — they can infinitely change technical tasks, the armament range and behave like a woman during pregnancy — they need something different every day.


              Unfortunately, it seems to me that you are right.
        2. Roman 1977
          Roman 1977 11 February 2014 17: 26
          0
          I get the impression that our admirals and shipbuilders do not understand one simple fact, that in addition to large ships, although here we have little good news, they have forgotten that the basis of the fleet is the so-called. ships of the "coastal zone":
          And what we have here:
          MPK-27 (BF-7 project 1131, SF-6 project 1124, ChF-6 project 1124, TOF-8 project 1124), all buildings of the 80s, all have weak air defense (1 launcher OSA-MA and 20 missiles), incapable of hitting modern anti-ship missiles, however, on the IPC of project 1131M, except for the Strela column mount, there is no anti-ship missile either. What will replace them? SKR project 20380 so far 6 have been ordered (3 in formation, 1 in trials, 2 under construction): 4 for the Baltic Fleet, 2 for the Pacific Fleet and that's it. SKR project 20385 is a slightly different type of ships, rather a "light" frigate than a "corvette", to which the ships of project 1161.1 "Tatarstan" and "Dagestan" can also be referred.

          IPC project 1124

          IPC project 1331M
          MRK-15 (BF-4, ChF-4, SF-3, TOF-4), of which more or less modern 2 projects 1239: "Bora" and "Samum" on the Black Sea Fleet, with "Mosquitoes", however, they have The air defense system is OSA-MA, and 13 projects 1234, except for one Nakat on the Northern Fleet with Onyx, are armed with 6 P-120 anti-ship missiles, created in the 70s. Well, here, however, there is a RTO of project 21631, but the first five go to the CFL, 3 more are ordered, supposedly for the Black Sea Fleet, and the rest? Moreover, on the RTOs of project 21631, except for "Gibka", there is no air defense at all. Therefore, I believe that the MRK of project 21631 should be transferred primarily to the BF and the Black Sea Fleet, since they approximately correspond to the Swedish corvettes of which 11 missile corvettes in the Baltic (2 Stockholm -380 tons, 8 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles, 4 Gothenburg "- 380/425 tons, 8 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles, 5 Visby missiles - 640 tons, 8 RBS-15 anti-ship missiles).
          RCA-28 (BF-7, ChF-5, TOF-11, KFl-5). We reject the CFL: R-32 with Mosquito, has already left for the Baltic Fleet, and Stupinets will probably also leave. The last RCA of project 1241 was delivered in 2003, the R-29 for the Pacific Fleet (laid down in 1992). 3 RCA of project 206 most likely "on pins and needles", this is evidenced by the fact of purchase for KFl 5 MRK of project 21631. True, they are at least modernized, so on R-60 Black Sea Fleet, they installed the Kashtan air defense missile system, but this is on one of the 25.

          the modernized RCA of project 1241 R-60 passes the Bosphorus, during the "Syrian Express", the Kashtan air defense missile system is clearly visible
          Minesweepers-53 (BF-15, ChF-11, SF-11, TOF-9, KFl-7). In 2008, we handed over the "Vice-Admiral Zakharyin" project 02668, modernized project 266). The newest project 12700 "Alexandrite", which should start service only in 2015, especially since this is not an ocean minesweeper-mine finder, but a basic one.
          Well, that's all for replacing 123 ships of the "coastal zone", we have a stretch today 9 (2 TFR project 1161.1, 3 TFR project 20380, 1 minesweeper project 02668, 3 IAC project 21630), in the near future - 12 (plus SKR project 20380, 2 MRK project 21631), well, in the best case - 21 (2 SKR project 1161.1, 6 SKR project 20380, 1 minesweeper project 02668, 1 TSC project 12700 "Alexandrite", 3 IAC project 21630, 8 MRK project 21631)
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      2. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 11 February 2014 12: 40
        +8
        Border guards in Zelenodolsk are building something similar to themselves, like everyone liked it. The military also wanted to. For peacetime, the most it is, to drive pirates or guard our fishermen. And living on board is much better. I can imagine how the guys were in the Mediterranean for five months at the "Sharp", there are no air conditioners, there is not enough fresh water, it is cramped. After this, it is necessary to reward with military orders. In addition, the reduced armament and RTO facilities will greatly reduce the cost and shorten the construction time. Plus, the resource of warships will be saved, if they happen to be under repair.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 11 February 2014 13: 34
          +3
          Well, Purga has slightly different tasks, namely the delivery of border guards, cargo, etc. in difficult weather and ice conditions. They do not carry armaments, and according to the project in the PSKR version there is AK-306.

          By the way, PS-825 under its own power passed from St. Petersburg to the Far East by SMP. Without any incident and in a short time. But PS-824 led an entire epic.
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 11 February 2014 14: 24
          +2
          Quote: chunga-changa
          I can imagine how the guys were in the Mediterranean for five months at the "Sharp", there are no air conditioners, there is not enough fresh water, it is cramped. After this, it is necessary to reward with military orders.

          It has always been our misfortune to not think about the team — one of the overboard water cooling systems was worth it, especially in the tropics, where the very water reaches t +40 degrees.
        3. jjj
          jjj 11 February 2014 15: 04
          +1
          Yes, this is a cruiser. It remains color music, a disco, a bar to build. In the free time from shifts here, apparently, it is comfortable
      3. cumastra1
        cumastra1 11 February 2014 13: 26
        -4
        money olympiadili
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      5. ODESSA
        ODESSA 11 February 2014 14: 21
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        The fact of the matter is that corvettes have already been designed and one could talk about sales in metal. But here everything is in darkness. And the result is not yet known. Something it reminds me of ... Is there money or not? It’s not clear what kind of solution.

        Don't you think something strange is happening? As if it smacks of sabotage! And this applies not only to shipbuilding, but to the entire defense industry as a whole. Constant failures in the delivery time, cheap upgrades, one thing is stated, the other is output. Or am I paranoid?
        1. karavay1982
          karavay1982 11 February 2014 22: 55
          0
          Designing is a profitable thing, and besides, what figs can you prove.
          And affiliates must always have a profit.
          And here once the decision has changed.
          And who will forbid them - to build "yachts" by the euphonic name of the patrolmen ...
      6. Su24
        Su24 11 February 2014 17: 36
        0
        This situation, when the Navy does not know what it needs and endlessly assigns designing new ships instead of already starting to build something, is endlessly annoying. And here we also build corvettes for 8 years.
    2. Ustian
      Ustian 11 February 2014 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: ybrcfy27
      The main thing is to stand at least somethingwill already be better
    3. AVV
      AVV 11 February 2014 22: 34
      0
      Quote: ybrcfy27
      The main thing is to stand at least something, it will be better

      Provide the Navy with everything you need !!!
  2. svp67
    svp67 11 February 2014 11: 25
    +4
    Having abandoned the corvette, the Navy turned to the idea of ​​creating patrol ships - less armed, but with greater autonomy and versatility, capable of, inter alia, go on long trips.
    What the new patrol ships will be is prematurely speaking.
    Corvette protection of the water area should have been a ships of modular design, equipped with a large number of robotic means. The ships were planned to assign tasks that must be performed in coastal areas. According to the plan, 5 corvettes were to be built: for each of the four fleets and one for the Caspian flotilla. The works would have been completed by the end of 2017.
    That is, by the beginning of 2018, Russia would have had 5 universal reconnaissance ships and its fleet would already have gained experience in their operation, and now ... ??? As it is not entirely clear.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 11 February 2014 11: 30
      +3
      Tasks for the OVR are shifted to other means, and we have one or two bases ...
      A patrol, you see, as explained here, more universal.
      And the corvettes were thought very good.
      But if these are more appropriate, then obviously not worse, I hope.
  3. Kapitänleutnant
    Kapitänleutnant 11 February 2014 11: 30
    +5
    What are the five ships? Little. Need more new ships. If now in the Navy brigades OVRov. And then from the minesweepers and IPC still Soviet-built.
    1. 120352
      120352 11 February 2014 11: 48
      +6
      I agree! We need more new ships, but not basins-basins for navigation in inland waters with a single barrel, which can be easily broken in battle, after which the ship becomes just a target, but real destroyers, cruisers. Remember, let’s say, the tragically famous Maxim Gorky, whose nose was torn off during a famous Tallinn crossing? He independently reached Kronstadt, was repaired and actively participated in the defense of Leningrad, breaking through and lifting the blockade, and then for many years served the Fatherland. So he had 9 trunks in three towers! There was something to bang and with what! The corvettes have a caliber of 100 mm, less than the tank, and the ammunition is only 32 shells, and the MG had 9 * 180! This is combat power! And the speed is 36 knots, and the corvettes produced after 70 years only 30.
      The power of the fleet must be increased! And the quality and quantity of ships.
      1. gosha1970
        gosha1970 11 February 2014 12: 07
        +5
        Here is a wise guy, just to say I agree. Your destroyers and cruisers without OVR will not make a step out of the naval base and warhead.
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 11 February 2014 12: 24
        +8

        Dear, "Maxim Gorky" did not participate in the Tallinn crossing, was blown up by a mine on June 23, 1941. covering mine laying at the mouth of the Gulf of Finland. The cruiser, the machine is certainly good, but who will cover it in the outer roadstead? And further. the question as a specialist in naval planning, why does an OVR ship need a large caliber of guns? Is the speed over 30 knots? Why does a goat need a button accordion ?? Of all the cruisers of the 26-bis project, the Molotov (Slava) took a less active part in sea operations, but the OVR ships were just not enough! At the disposal of Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, there are only 2 shipyards that are capable of making large-tonnage ships, if they are loaded with the construction of cruisers, then who will cover these cruisers ??
        1. 120352
          120352 11 February 2014 16: 11
          0
          My father was the commander of the warhead-5 and participated in this transition. I have a whole library on this subject, a bunch of photos and father's memories are fresh. So learn the history of the DCBF.
          About the speed. I served on the "Golden Fish", 661 projects. So, in the 70s this boat developed a speed of 44 knots. This is still a world record. Hearing the noise of the propellers, the boat could jump up to such a corvette and destroy it with one torpedo, while she herself could get away from the torpedo and hide. Her speed was higher. Now, of course, there are other torpedoes, but the speed of the surface ship must be at least not lower than the underwater one.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 11 February 2014 16: 26
            -1
            Quote: 120352
            Hearing the noise of the propellers, the boat could jump to such a corvette and destroy it with one torpedo, and itself could leave the torpedo

            Please tell me, what was the noise level of the submarines and at what distance they could detect it, now please write the distance of the effective torpedo attack and ... One question is, could this boat even get close to the corvette.
            ps I remember this boat, I lived in Gadzhievo from 69 to 79 years.
            1. ODESSA
              ODESSA 11 February 2014 19: 00
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              ps I remember this boat, I lived in Gadzhievo from 69 to 79 years.

              Yeah, I went to the kindergarten "Solnyshko" nursery group. And nanny Baba Lyuba told you about the nuclear submarine 661 project, and the musician Uncle Borya secretly told you about the noise characteristics and the tactics of a torpedo attack ... laughing Again the Jews burn!
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 12 February 2014 00: 14
                +1
                A permanent stink of fumes and onions, the janitor Nikolayevich on a walk every morning reported on the development directions of anti-torpedo protection means for submarines of the naval forces of leading foreign countries.
                And later he showed a secret development - a portable personal "torpedo" ...
                A Jew then we had a dizzy crazy and understood everything right away ...
                1. ODESSA
                  ODESSA 12 February 2014 00: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Ptah
                  A Jew then we had a dizzy crazy and understood everything right away ...

                  Something a pimp is not there, he would immediately give a full alignment, not just smart, but the Jew who is smacking now, has gone. laughing
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 12 February 2014 01: 38
                    0
                    Quote: ODESSA
                    Why is there no bump

                    The day before yesterday it was hanging around, but already under the Czech flag.
                    Quote: atalef
                    I remember this boat, lived in Gadzhievo

                    And the boat remembers Atalef. Everything waits, wiping a rusty side on the pier, and dreaming of how they go out to sea so that the abyss engulfs them both.
                    The old midshipman Prokopchuk is still waiting. Little Atalef then stole a filthy deck * okart from him, and even borrowed it "in three" ...
                    Well them ... I go to bed ... hi drinks
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 12 February 2014 08: 08
            +3
            Hearing the noise of the propellers, the boat could jump to such a corvette and destroy it with one torpedo, while it itself could go away from the torpedo and hide. Her speed was higher. Now, of course, there are other torpedoes, but the speed of the surface ship should be at least not lower than the submarine.
            Dear, if you served at "Anchary", how can you write such nonsense? If you are rushing at 44 knots in the area of ​​the outer roadstead, not only the acoustician on the corvette, but also Aunt Glasha, spreading her charms on the beach, will hear you! I'm not even talking about the fact that the water displaced by 8000 tons in the form of a wave, would have thrown this poor corvette right next to poor aunt Glasha crying Where do you just come from? Every second well, right Nelson, and every first neither give nor take Ushakov !!! soldier
          4. gosha1970
            gosha1970 12 February 2014 12: 11
            0
            will this boat jump to Kronstadt, Baltiysk, etc.?
  4. queen
    queen 11 February 2014 11: 33
    +10
    Abramovich will order himself this) For the entire time on the site, the news will just be planned, developed. But in fact, almost nothing was built really. There were a lot of tasks after the collapse of the USSR, and they had to be used so that it would not hurt so much Now. But alas, the former rulers and the current ones decided that we had enough for 30 years that was left by inheritance.
    Sad from the shortsightedness of the ruling.
  5. sak1969
    sak1969 11 February 2014 11: 33
    +2
    Equipped with a large number of robotic tools.

    We have a problem with robotic tools, so they refused.
  6. ed65b
    ed65b 11 February 2014 11: 37
    +4
    Obviously something muddied. Let's wait when the fog dissipates.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 11 February 2014 11: 40
      +6
      quote-Having abandoned the corvette, the Navy turned to the idea of ​​creating patrol ships - less armed, but with greater autonomy and versatility, capable of, inter alia, go on long trips. The design of the patrol ship will be engaged JSC "North Design Bureau".

    2. queen
      queen 11 February 2014 11: 45
      +8
      Quote: ed65b
      Obviously something muddied

      24 years muddied, and the fog remained the same)
      1. kostiknet
        kostiknet 11 February 2014 13: 32
        +3
        Quote: regin
        24 years muddied, and the fog remained the same)

        they just got lost, so he shook the admirals in different directions, like a Markitan boat. They cannot decide what the fleet needs. Only they will make a "fateful decision", oops, the iron is outdated to the stocks, or there is no money, or the concept has changed ... With such moral and ethical torments, and even stretched in time, we will have from the "crew" only yachts of oligarchs and pleasure boats in the ponds. Fog is a bad thing, but if there is fog in your head ... Save and have mercy!
      2. cosmos111
        cosmos111 11 February 2014 16: 49
        0
        Quote: regin
        24 years muddied, and the fog remained the same)

        Chinese build an ocean-going fleet >>> and do not change one class of ships to another (((
        each has its own tasks inherent in the performance characteristics (((
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 11 February 2014 17: 31
          0
          for 2013, the Chinese Navy received eight new project corvettes 056((((
          ships of the new project in the coming years should replace obsolete ships of several types ((((
          Chinese Navy until 20 >>>> will receive 50 new corvettes (((
          the Chinese do not talk, but are intensely building a new fleet (((
          Corvette-056
          Length - 89 m.
          Width-11,6 m.
          Displacement-1300 tons.
          Speed-28 Knots.
          Cruising range - 2000 m / miles
          Draft - 4,4 m
          Crew 60
          Armament: gun 1 76 mm H / PJ-26
          Torpedo tubes-6
          PAC-4 YJ-83
          Air Defense Systems-1 FL-3000N
          2 30 mm H / PJ-17
    3. demel2
      demel2 11 February 2014 15: 41
      0
      Are you sure that the fog will dissipate? I already think that it’s unlikely.
  7. Stepanov Vladimir Sergeevich
    Stepanov Vladimir Sergeevich 11 February 2014 11: 43
    +1
    Absolutely correct.
  8. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 February 2014 11: 46
    +1
    There are no places for basing OVR brigades, but sabotage rubbish! Things are clearly not in the places of basing here. We will wait for reasonable explanations, and it is not clear why TSC and IPC were completely dropped from accounts?
  9. 120352
    120352 11 February 2014 11: 55
    +7
    Do you know why we have nothing to do with nanotechnology? Because they exhausted the entire electronic industry and there is nowhere to produce the element base. Those. there is no elemental basis for creating nanotechnology. Namely, they, nanotechnologies, should have been the basis of electronic rigging of these same corvettes, which, as a result, were abandoned.
  10. Naum
    Naum 11 February 2014 11: 57
    0
    Each option has its advantages, but in a situation where even regular patrol ships are not enough, it is premature to launch a series of unusual advanced corvettes, which, in addition, largely duplicate the functions of coastal services.
  11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 11 February 2014 12: 28
    +18
    In my opinion the situation is as follows. At first we decided that we needed an OVR corvette, small and remote. We created the project 20380 and started its serial construction. It seems to be a corvette - to all corvettes a corvette, but it seems that what happened to him was exactly what happened with the Hurricane-type patrol boats (TFR).
    With the TFR it turned out like this - with them, one might say, the construction of the Soviet fleet began after the vicissitudes of the First World War and the Civil War. The fleet was in ruins ... so they decided to make an uberuniversal, so that both a patrol boat and a small destroyer, so that torpedoes and speed and weapons are powerful and ... The result - a series of patrol boats was long and painfully built (ships of 500 tons were built for more than 3 years ), and when they were built, it turned out that it worked out .. in general, nothing happened. And the overload, and the speed was not guessed, and unreliable, and the hull quickly collapses - in general, a living example of the fact that the proverb "do not push the unproductive" when creating a ship (and not only) cannot be ignored.
    So, in my opinion, the same thing happened with the corvettes 20380. The price climbed up, approaching a full-fledged frigate, a bunch of weapons, it seems, did not want to work efficiently (the story with the air defense system redoubt under the control of Fourca) - again we recall the British proverb "If the ship, capable of carrying 8 guns to put 10 - will work 6 ". Well, where is a boat in 2 thousand tons of air defense systems redoubt, anti-ship missiles Caliber and as much as 3 GAS ?!
    As a result, at first we thought about the modularity of the design (in order to put the armament as required in a particular situation, and not all at once), but this is heresy. Firstly, changing containers with weapons is still long, but the crew? We remove, for example, anti-ship missiles "caliber" we put air defense systems redoubt and what? to hand over missile launchers-anti-ship missiles to the warehouse, and get missile launchers from the warehouse and install them on the ship?
    In general, thinking over all this to see, came to the conclusion that the boats should be simpler, not generalists. And they are developing in the Northern PKB.
  12. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 11 February 2014 12: 56
    +3
    In principle, Project 22100 "Ocean" can only be used to slightly increase the armament. Displacement 2700, range 12000 miles. you can make a pretty good patrol ship. There are a lot of projects already done. Http://www.militaryparitet.com/nomen/russia/navy/bonadko/data/ic_nomenruss
    ianavybonadko / 19 /
  13. Leshka
    Leshka 11 February 2014 14: 13
    +1
    DESIGN LOOK
  14. Duke
    Duke 11 February 2014 14: 52
    +2
    Patrol ship of project 22100 code "Ocean"
    Main characteristics
    Displacement 2700 tons (full)
    Engines German diesel engines MTU
    Speed ​​20 knots (cruising)
    Cruising Range 12 Miles
    Autonomy of swimming 60 days
    weaponry
    Artillery 1 × 1 - 76 mm AK-176M, 2 × 1 - 14,5 mm MTPU
    Aviation group 1 Ka-27PS helicopter; [2] use of the Gorizont G-Air S-100 UAV is possible
    1. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 11 February 2014 16: 03
      0
      Quite a decent boat. Putting at least a calm of 1m and one or two 630 on it will not be bad. By the way, why do they write that they abandoned 20380, like 20385 with reinforced weapons are going on, and they refuse another project.
      1. silver_roman
        silver_roman 11 February 2014 17: 44
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        As for me, this "ocean" is only capable of catching fish! Why does he need a range of 12 miles with scanty autonomy? practically no weapons. really except that to fight against pirates.

        and again: I don’t understand anything: 20380 - these are these OVR corvettes ??? abandoned them?
        1. DMB87
          DMB87 11 February 2014 18: 10
          0
          Borderline patrol ship ice class. Possibilities of ice passage - up to 80 centimeters of the surface of the ice field. According to the terms of reference, the first ships will be used for their intended purpose in the Far North and the Far East. The autonomy of the ship is expected to 60 days, and cruising range - up to 12 thousand miles.

          Incomprehensible kipish on the site. Everything is lost. There will be row boats instead of dreadnoughts. .
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 11 February 2014 19: 05
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            Well, one does not replace the other. this is how to remove the wheels in the car and put an extra one steering wheel!
            Against whom can such boats be used? unless against the green pussy. and 20380 is a serious ship.
          2. karavay1982
            karavay1982 11 February 2014 23: 05
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            Not paddling, but rubber, with it from the "fishing and sports" store, with it being made in China.
            True, one example has already been that 200 kg of explosives and the boat and the American destroyer are disabled.
            Wake up - affiliates need PROFIT ... and in Russian budget funds and do nothing
    2. clidon
      clidon 11 February 2014 17: 36
      0
      Cheap and cheerful.
  15. sazhka3
    sazhka3 11 February 2014 15: 04
    +1
    Well .. Maybe start the movement from motor boats .. The rest of everything has already been "privatized"
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 February 2014 15: 07
    0
    Yes, if only they built something. Coastal zone, and figs with it. All the same, they won’t be given serious cases. And as a ship for everyday work, to drive the same poachers and patrol the coast, that's it.
  17. archi.sailor
    archi.sailor 11 February 2014 15: 28
    +4
    article nonsense. He himself served in the brigade of the OVR of the Black Sea Fleet for 10 years and I know the specifics not by hearsay. It is necessary to build a similarity to 1124,1124M with similar speed and running characteristics. To update the GAS station, equip with rocket torpedoes, as in the A. Kunakhovich project, and upgrade the air defense missile system. Prices for such a ship in OVR will not be !!!
  18. Arh
    Arh 11 February 2014 15: 33
    0
    It’s like a hunt for our ships to please us with new technologies and better weapons! ! ! * * *
  19. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 11 February 2014 17: 00
    +1
    Quote: Duke
    Patrol ship of project 22100 code "Ocean"
    Main characteristics
    Displacement 2700 tons (full)
    Engines German diesel engines MTU
    Speed ​​20 knots (cruising)
    Cruising Range 12 Miles
    Autonomy of swimming 60 days
    weaponry
    Artillery 1 × 1 - 76 mm AK-176M, 2 × 1 - 14,5 mm MTPU
    Aviation group 1 Ka-27PS helicopter; [2] use of the Gorizont G-Air S-100 UAV is possible

    By the way, this spring the boat should be launched. Let's see what it is like in metal.
  20. voliador
    voliador 11 February 2014 17: 48
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    Maybe this is the point.
    The development of the patrol ship project will be carried out by OJSC "Severnoye Design Bureau".
    It would not have turned out that someone dumped dough for someone, and they all drastically outplayed.
    As noticed domokl"The fact of the matter is that the corvettes have already been designed and we could talk about implementation in metal. But here everything is in darkness."
  21. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 11 February 2014 19: 30
    0
    I think that they are taking an example from the Netherlands, they recently launched this

    Holland length - 108,4 m, width - 16 m, displacement - 3745 t. The ship is also equipped with a system for providing high-speed boats, a platform and a hangar for a NH90 type helicopter, a 76-mm gun mount and a 27-mm gun with remote control, as well as a light small arms. The crew of the ship is 50 people, full capacity - 90 people. Two 5400 kW diesel engines allow speeds of 21,5 knots and a cruising range of 5000 miles at a speed of 15 knots.
    There are almost no displacements like an armament. Large range and autonomy
  22. psychologist
    psychologist 11 February 2014 20: 30
    +3
    the main thing is that they promise to be done, but the ships of the sea and oceans plowed !! reminding everyone around (as in the old days) that we have strength and morale in us !!
  23. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 11 February 2014 23: 07
    +1
    Good evening everyone. I am surprised how quickly they abandoned such an advertised idea of ​​a modular corvette. This was on the site. The fleet will build ships for the urgent tasks of protecting the exclusive economic zone, I believe - in the Arctic. And this task apparently was received from the very top (you never know what you dream about AVU, and you will build what the country needs. And now it needs to protect Arctic oil and gas). Further. From a patrol vessel (coast guard ship) a fighter is like a bullet from shit (weapons are farts). But you can boil it in time to raise it, thereby creating a precedent for the use of force against an intruder (aviation, then large NKs). The autonomy and ice class of the ship allows it to be guarded for a long time at the fields and hydrocarbon production areas, thereby reducing the force of work and saving the motor resources of other ships. This decision is indirectly confirmed by recent statements by the military-political leadership of the country. IMHO.
  24. Not a patriot RU
    Not a patriot RU 12 February 2014 00: 42
    +1
    In this situation, not everything is so simple, since there are two groups fighting in the General Staff and the Admiralty (judging by the confessions of very competent photographers): the old one advocating the old (Soviet model of the formation of the fleet) aimed at narrow specialization of ships, and the new one advocating versatility and ergonomics. Personally, for many reasons, I am in favor of the second, it is better to build a little, but high-quality and effective than a lot of kamikaze mosquitoes. After all, the actual entry into battle of a ship with weak air defense (if there is one) and a small amount of heavy weapons (for example, two P-15 Mosquito anti-ship missiles at the Molniya) will only lead to the death of the crew and the loss of the fleet's combat pennant.