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Wounded "berkutovets" about Yatsenyuk, Yanukovych, murders and stripping of the Maidan

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Wounded "berkutovets" about Yatsenyuk, Yanukovych, murders and stripping of the MaidanSeveral thousand attack aircraft without ideology, or rather with the Nazi ideology, relying on opposition media, turn Ukraine into a country of war.


Ukraine is divided into two sides of the barricades, and not into power and opposition. While the television picture produces new heroes from attack aircraft, who have caught courage in the fight against everyone, dozens of wounded soldiers with terrible burns, injuries from metal pipes and bolt-on explosives, are in the hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

They do not notice the opposition media. “So many were willing to interview, and no one comes,” - the first thing the fighter of the special unit “Berkut” tells me when I went to his hospital. He has been a week for treatment. Sensibly limping. “It happened last Sunday, on Grushevskogo. I hear a buzz - an explosion ... fell ... ", - he explains and asks me not to call his name.

- Are you afraid?

- We are forbidden to communicate with the press.

- Why did you call me?

- I want people to hear my truth.

I don’t understand what kind of strength a petard should have in order to knock down a “berkutovtsy” in full uniform, a man of about forty under two meters tall, whose width is impressive. The face is calm, but in the eyes of read deadly fatigue. Communicating, I for myself refute the most recent of the offenses of opposition leaders in relation to the security forces. My companion is smart. No matter how much the people's deputy of Ukraine Lesia Orobets would like this, the soldier of the “Berkut” is smart and logical.

"How is it in the country?", - asks the Berkutovets. “All the same,” I replied, we are walking along the hospital corridor in search of a quiet place to talk. I was scared: towards the guy years 20, who has almost half of his face in burns. “There are a lot of people like that here,” the Berkutovets catches my fleeting numbness.

- Who are you standing for? - we sit down, start a conversation.

- For the legitimately elected power. Viktor Yanukovych is the legitimate president. After all, what is the security forces? They ensure the security of the country. Take, for example, the United States. Is there no security forces who protect the state and the government - local, regional, state?

- You are not embarrassed by the discontent of the people with legitimate authority?

“We have nothing against the protests.” But the protests must take place legally! Why the opposition does not hold fees in cities, enterprises, advertising its candidate? I am more than sure that including many fighters of the “Berkut” would make their choice of 29 March 2015 of the year in their favor. The police are also people, we are not satisfied with much, we are waiting for a change. But we are not waiting for coups.

We are distracted by the doctor, who is passing through the hall, asking to speak more quietly. At this time, the caller pulls a phone out of his checkered pajamas pocket. “I'll show you a video now. I filmed 1 December during the storming of the Presidential Administration, ”he pulls me the phone, warning in advance that I will not be able to take the record with me. On the ground lies a man, handcuffed. He is not alone. On the side - stacks of bits, iron pipes, brass knuckles, knives. It does not touch me, recently got used. Puzzled a bundle of money. “In his pockets he had 15 thousand hryvnia. Filmed not only me, but also several journalists. True, for some reason they didn’t show it, ”the interlocutor’s face became hard.

“What channels do you watch?” - trying to catch the mood. “5 channel and 1 + 1 in recent times do not look fundamentally. Lies and bias. "

- We were transferred to Kiev in mid-November. I was 30 in November on the Independence Square, but did not participate in the operation. It was December 1 near the Presidential Administration. I was wounded at Hrushevsky. It's a shame when they make you an enemy of the people. The policeman is not a provocateur. The policeman is legally inviolable by law. For some reason, the television did not bother to show how November 30 threw glass jars of peas into our faces, beat them with sticks and bats. No one has shown that the clash began through no fault of the “Berkut”, but when there was a threat to people. “Golden Eagle” then applied force only to provocateurs. However, nobody cares about that. To hell with the fact that one of ours had a liver ruptured on Hrushevsky, another one was shot with pneumatics! He became disabled!

- You are accused of deliberately beating journalists.

- Yes, it's funny! I am silent about the fact that journalists have long crossed the line. When 1 December went ahead, one of them started shouting: “I’m a journalist, don’t touch!”. And then he put the camera on the ground, took a stone and hit a soldier moving next to his head. Can this journalist be called an extremist?

- Is the Golden Eagle integral?

- I understood what you mean. Going to the side of the opposition is excluded. There is a legitimately elected president - it does not matter, good or bad, but he is. Today we are called Yatsenyuk "let's go", and tomorrow - Vasya and Petya, and we have to go again?
The "Berkut" defended all presidents and, I hasten to remind you, the same politicians who are now eager for power.

- Why are “Berkutovtsy” fired in Lviv?

- Many of them are my old friends. First, those who are already of retirement age are dismissed. Secondly, you will never be told by independent media that their families are being bullied. Here's what to do when you're in Kiev, and thugs break in through the door to the spouse and give ultimatums?

- If Yatsenyuk was a conditional president, would you defend him?

- If Yatsenyuk becomes president in such a way, I will resign. Dissolve the special unit "Cobra" for some finger? .. His current road is covered with blood.

A doctor comes up to us the second time and asks to move away from the wards with the sick. I again meet in the corridor a few soldiers of internal troops with burned faces. “Why will none of the journalists take permission from the head physician and come to shoot the wounded? - surprised "berkutovets." - Video with a naked detainee remember? Do you think it was specially stripped? No, they are all saturated with flammable substances. Why was a fireman walking behind the back with a fire extinguisher? And what if someone throws a petard - then you do not quench it. So it is better to hold 5-10 for minutes in the cold or risk burning, which security officials will undoubtedly blame. ... And what did he have in his hands? Sapper shovel, with which he broke the helmet of a child from internal troops. The guy is in the hospital, the “hero” is at liberty, he is interviewed. Nobody needs this truth ... ”

- how weapons do you use?

“Look, we were even ordered to take off the holsters!” Flash-noise grenades have several times less power than firecrackers, which are tied to bolts and stones, and then thrown in our direction. A rubber bullet of the sample, which received, no danger to human life is not.

“Yes, but you are credited with murder.”

- We have no firearms. And during the meetings never happened. Politicians wanted blood - they got it

I look at the interlocutor, the mimicry of his face quickens, he shifts from foot to foot. Murder charges hooked. And perhaps, the understanding that he is unlikely to believe someone.

- Why do they hate you?

- And which dog loves the stick? In America, the police are smiling, but they hate behind their backs

- There are rumors on the Internet about the different amount of the promised bonus - from salary increase on 700 hryvnia to 15 000 dollars, if the power is held back. Specify the amount so that we have reliable information that will not harm your honor.

- will you have such data? No bonuses, I get paid, I stand for the state. Here are the radicals that threaten our lives and health, get good money. But again, this is unprovable.

- They say that the “Berkut” will have enough 5-10 minutes to clear the Maidan.

- 10 minutes? Not. Minutes 30-40. What is most important? Catch the ringleaders. But those who call, unfortunately, the fastest and run away. Paradox: the police use truncheons here, we enter into tactile contact, and this is never allowed in Europe. They use special equipment and weapons. So let's integrate into Europe, starting with the application of European practice during the rallies!

- And the barricades?

- Props. We are all trained fighters, most of them are former sportsmen participating in anti-terrorist operations ...

- What happened to Ukraine in 10 years, since the Orange Revolution?

- Politicians change people. In 2004, I could quietly come to Independence Square without fearing for my life.

- Are you scared?

- I will defend the family with all legal means ... Do you think that there are no Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok or German Klitschko addresses on the Internet? They all need to understand that a response can follow if something happens to our families.

- Are there any misunderstandings in relation to commanders who do not give an order?

- What is the order? Law? Orders are not discussed. However, we will never shoot at peaceful people.

“But the protesters are doing whatever they want with you.”

- They do not spit in me, but in the state. We would like changes in the country - we would vote in the elections as we see fit.

- Do you believe politicians?

- No longer. Do you think it was easy for me to break myself to stay in the bodies when Yanukovych came? Now someone offers me a specific plan of action? Yanukovych for 4 did not bring the country out of the crisis, and I definitely will not vote for him. But for Yatsenyuk, whose hands are in blood, I will not vote either. Faster go to the polls and tear the newsletter.

- Well, if Yatsenyuk becomes president in the next election?

- So we will protect. We chose our job.

At this time, the interlocutor rings the phone. The conversation is interrupted for a few minutes: he explains to someone that he is in hospital. I have time to peer into the face of a man whom my dear colleague, Daniel Yanevsky, called the Einsatzgroup fighter. He notices this, responding with a look in his eyes.

- We will stand as long as necessary. Week, month, year.
- Where do you live?

- In the Cabinet of Ministers.

- How long are the fighters on the front line?

- Enough to have a good rest later.

- When was the last time you saw your family?

- More than a month ago. Wife does not even know that I am in the hospital.

This concludes the interview. "Berkutovets" conducts me to the exit, asks to convey to all journalists to be at least a little more objective, looking on the other side of the barricades.

In parting, I respectfully shake hands with a man whom many of my acquaintances are ready to lynch. World has gone mad!
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 29 January 2014 08: 46
    +148
    They all need to understand that a response can follow if something happens to our families.


    Completely on the side of the Berkutian, I’ll do the same with any gangster who encroaches on my family, without regard to the LAW.
    1. invisibility
      invisibility 29 January 2014 09: 23
      +62
      No need to wait until it happens. These are ordinary criminals. And appropriate measures are needed for them.
      1. Polovec
        Polovec 29 January 2014 10: 43
        +42
        It amazes me (once again) the cowardly position of our authorities! Putin throughout the world declares that we will not interfere in the situation in Ukraine, we will not support anyone, we will not withdraw our loans if the opposition comes to power. At the same time, Obama declares full support for the anti-government forces of Ukraine. About the fact that all Western and Amersky trash squeals about this from the beginning of the conflict and adds fuel to the fire it is said a thousand times!
        Why can not we support our interests in Ukraine?
        In my Soviet youth, we instilled a sense of modesty. It was a shame to be arrogant and selfish. The interests of society have always been placed above personal interests.
        I have a feeling that our Power is shyly standing on the sidelines and is afraid of being accused of "personal interest", while our sworn friends are not at all embarrassed in their choice of words and means.
        If Putin declares to the whole world that we are interested in maintaining order in Ukraine. That power should change as a result of elections, not pogroms. That we will not lend to bandits.
        What will happen?
        I think that will inspire respect! After all, we were able to do this in Syria!
        Stop being "tolerant"! It must be getting brutal! After all, the symbol of Russia is the Russian bear, not the hare!
        1. demon184
          demon184 29 January 2014 11: 01
          +8
          I completely agree, Putin’s speech yesterday disappointed without measure. We must defend our interests despite the stench of competitors. The only way I can justify it a bit is that he wants peace of mind at the Olympics.
        2. acute
          acute 29 January 2014 11: 17
          -11%
          Each time, Putin's statements are getting smoother. He is afraid to irritate the West with harsh statements. They pressed him slowly but surely. "Partners" fuck him through the media and he loses
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 29 January 2014 11: 32
            +32
            The Nazis failed to completely shed Ukrainian pro-Russian power on their own.

            Now they are trying to inflame dissatisfaction with the authorities with information throws in those who defend the country from the Nazi plague so that the defenders can throw off the Ukrainian authorities with their own hands and do what the Nazis themselves lack


            Very reminiscent of Goebels propaganda at the front among our fighters.

            Our grandfathers did not fall for her.

            Now the word is ours. Who is ready to doubt, hate their own, and thereby take the side of the enemy?

            Ukraine is not at war with a handful of Nazis and football fans. Ukraine is opposed to the whole West, which operate at the hands of the Ukronazists. This trash is an advanced consumable. If we respond to them in full force (overfishing and replanting), we will find our meager forces, and then heavy artillery will strike us (they will announce sanctions, arrest the accounts of Ukrainian enterprises (do not care about oligarchs), impose an embargo, collapse the Ukrainian currency and economy) .
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 29 January 2014 12: 40
              +36
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              If we respond to them in full force (overfishing and replanting), we will find our meager forces, and then heavy artillery will strike us (they will announce sanctions, arrest the accounts of Ukrainian enterprises (do not care about oligarchs), impose an embargo, collapse the Ukrainian currency and economy) .

              This is why Putin does not threaten sanctions. Putin is generally a concrete man, why shake the air in vain? As an example, I will cite the atrocities in Japan on the "Northern Territories Day", when our flags were burned and dirt was thrown at the embassy, ​​there was no need to answer the calls to appease the thugs. Then a pair of Tu95s with nuclear weapons on board just flew around Japan, made a rustle in the minds of the hawks and silence. Nobody mocks our flag anymore. By the way, flights have become regular. This technique was applied to Sweden and even to the United States, when our ships and submarines went there.
              1. tryphon
                tryphon 31 January 2014 23: 04
                +2
                Why not fly around Ukraine?
            2. skeptic
              skeptic 29 January 2014 18: 09
              +8
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              The Nazis failed to completely shed Ukrainian pro-Russian power on their own.

              Now they are trying to inflame dissatisfaction with the authorities with information throws in those who defend the country from the Nazi plague so that the defenders can throw off the Ukrainian authorities with their own hands and do what the Nazis themselves lack


              Italy legalizes pedophilia and introduces prison sentences for "pedophobes" for discriminating against pedophiles, Italian media reported on January 24, 2014. In addition to “pedophobes”, the prison now threatens in Italy “sodomophobes”, “corpse-haters”, “transphobes”, “hermaphroditophobes” - only 13 types of “gender phobes”. Now all those who criticize sexual perversion in Italy face a fine of up to 20000 euros.

              Source: http://politikus.ru/events/11825-italiya-legalizuet-pedofiliyu-i-nakazyvaet-borc
              ov-za-nravstvennost.html
              Politikus.ru


              Here it is the secret dream of the Maydauns.
              I hope not the people of Ukraine.
              1. Rubs
                Rubs 29 January 2014 23: 22
                +9
                "Italy legalizes pedophilia and ..."

                It's funny to hear our worst curse word at Euromaidan - pida..sy !, which flies like a flock of birds overhead. Do our European "partners" know that their "worthy" ones are despised by everyone from school, including those who are eager to go to Europe or consider themselves European? And even those who have convinced themselves of the positiveness of this "natural phenomenon" and recognize their rights, yell - pid..sy at an extreme degree of irritation.
              2. tryphon
                tryphon 31 January 2014 23: 06
                +1
                Sodom and Gomorrah
          2. Xoxoxnumxun
            Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 12: 34
            +59
            Losing what? According to my impressions, victory after victory with Putin recently.

            What is the use of Obama's harsh remarks? McCain? Holland? English premiere? What was the result?

            As for the situation in Ukraine: Putin said what he should have. I do not see a manifestation of weakness. Consider:
            1. On the inadmissibility of foreign intervention in the affairs of Ukraine said? - said it!
            2. About double standards of Europe said? - said it!
            3. He said that Russia is not going to intervene and support Yanukovych too. So what? He said everything correctly, because:
            a) to send troops there means giving occasion to send troops to Ukraine to other countries.
            b) Yanukovych as president does not represent value at all. Because when he was elected, he promised to get closer to Russia - he deceived and trampled into Europe. Bandera also dismissed and did not control. After he gave back from the association and ran to Putin. Putin gave him money, delayed the payment of gas, and he received the money and sang the old song again, that this money would be spent on preparing Ukraine for the association. Betrayal again? So after the riots began, he also turned out to be a coward - he could not give an order to restore order, he was afraid that he would be considered a dictator. So what is the value of Yanukovych for Russia?

            We summarize: Putin said that it is important for Russia to help the PEOPLE of Ukraine, the way it is. I do not understand dissatisfaction with Putin.
            1. GDP
              GDP 29 January 2014 14: 25
              +7
              What I do not like about the reaction of the authorities to the events in Ukraine:
              1. Unconditional granting of loans regardless of the choice of Ukraine in favor of or against the interests of Russia.
              2. Inaction of our special services. Ukraine is not Syria. Here we must keep abreast and respond instantly, and preferably in advance.
              What, there are no pro-Russian forces in Ukraine?
              No one to hand over bags of money? What is 100 million $ within Russia? Nothing! Compared to the 15 billions, which were simply thrown there for some reason, it’s just a trifle.
              What can be done for a hundred million bucks in skillful hands, we have already seen ...
              It would be possible to outbid part of the media to provoke protest rallies throughout eastern Ukraine.
              Pull tails to local tycoons who have money or business in Russia.
              Why is none of this being done? Do our government seriously believe that someone will appreciate our kindness?
              What is bad and what is good will be determined by those who remain in power ...
              1. Xoxoxnumxun
                Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 15: 01
                +2
                And let’s without emotions ...
                Quote: GDP
                1. Unconditional granting of loans regardless of the choice of Ukraine in favor of or against the interests of Russia.

                a) unconditional is only surrender. I have not seen Putin surrender.
                b) Amendment - "UNDER DEPENDENCE ON WHO BECOMES RULING UKRAINE".
                The difference is huge. If you do not understand the essence, then there is no point in writing.

                Quote: GDP
                Inaction of our special services. Ukraine is not Syria.

                And how do you rate it? Should there be daily reports on how many Bandera each agent shot or eliminated in another way?

                Quote: GDP
                It would be possible to outbid part of the media to provoke protest rallies throughout eastern Ukraine.

                You can reasonably tell for what? Are you boiling for the sake of kipish?
                1. GDP
                  GDP 29 January 2014 15: 49
                  +1
                  Inaction of our special services. Ukraine is not Syria.

                  And how do you rate it? Should there be daily reports on how many Bandera each agent shot or eliminated in another way?

                  Lack of results is how I rated it. The next orange revolution at their borders again stupidly missed.
                  It would be possible to outbid part of the media to provoke protest rallies throughout eastern Ukraine.

                  You can reasonably tell for what? Are you boiling for the sake of kipish?

                  I argue - but why did you create a boil in the West? To push Ukraine to enter into an association with the EU on its own terms. WE, in turn, had to support pro-Russian forces, naturally so that no one could clearly prove this, even if they all understood this.
                  1. Xoxoxnumxun
                    Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 17: 30
                    0
                    Quote: GDP
                    Lack of results is how I rated it. The next orange revolution at their borders again stupidly missed.

                    And should Yanukovych disperse the Maidan? Eliminate Yatsenyuk, Klitschko and Tyagnibok? What should our specialists do there specifically?
                    Quote: GDP
                    WE, in turn, had to support pro-Russian forces, naturally so that no one could clearly prove this, even if they all understood this.

                    Who in Ukraine do you consider to be PRO-RUSSIAN? Specifically personality?
                  2. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 29
                    0
                    Quote: GDP
                    Lack of results is how I rated it. The next orange revolution at their borders again stupidly missed.

                    who told you that it was missed?

                    the situation there was pre-orange a year ago, it is difficult to blast the smoldering revolution ...

                    the question was only in preparing the roadmap, that is, those actions that we can and should take ...
              2. Basil123
                Basil123 29 January 2014 15: 49
                +2
                Do you want to make keirOppu from Russia am am am no and no again am UKRAINE SHOULD HAVE DECIDED ITSELF WITH ITS DIRECTION OF DEVELOPMENT, forget about the Union ....... Crimea will not leave us)) and the rest .... see the attitude of the population towards us .... (((and we need it on the neck ????
            2. 31231
              31231 29 January 2014 14: 32
              +18
              Losing what? According to my impressions, victory after victory with Putin recently.
              What is the use of Obama's harsh remarks? McCain? Holland? English premiere? What was the result?


              I agree. Here, many at one time did not support Putin when he went with bikers and hanging out. And now the biker community has defended the Crimea.
              That is, who does not chat and groans on the net, but protects his state from Bendery.

            3. rolik
              rolik 29 January 2014 14: 36
              +15
              Quote: Xoxo4un
              We summarize: Putin said that it is important for Russia to help the PEOPLE of Ukraine, the way it is. I do not understand dissatisfaction with Putin.

              In recent years, since the arrival of the GDP for a new presidency, it seems that he has very good analysts and forecasters. Everything is very well laid out on the shelves. All steps are well calculated, this is in foreign policy. I do not exclude that everything is already provided for in the situation with Ukraine. Therefore, there are no hysterics. Unlike European and mattress "partners". This calmness can be mistaken for cowardice or fear of taking certain steps. Most of all, a Chinese saying is relevant here:
              - Hurry is to make uniform movements but without stopping.
              1. GDP
                GDP 29 January 2014 14: 48
                -10%
                I do not exclude that everything is already provided for in the situation with Ukraine.

                And let's ask the question, what will happen if the situation develops as it develops now?
                1. Definitely Ukraine will enter the EU! With all the ensuing consequences (even greater distance from Russia and rapprochement with our potential enemies) - I have no idea what needs to be done to turn it in the other direction.
                2. Ukrainian enterprises, military-industrial complex cultural institutions, will begin to reorient en masse from Russia to the EU - this is a matter of time ...

                Perhaps Putin had one trump ace in stock - this is the deplorable state of the Ukrainian economy. There was a chance that the collapse of the Ukrainian economy would make our brothers think about joining the TS.
                So we ourselves support its economy in order to prevent this. Where is the logic?

                What other trump ace can Putin get out of his pocket? A couple dozen bearded bikers?
                1. Xoxoxnumxun
                  Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 15: 11
                  +10
                  Quote: GDP
                  1. Definitely Ukraine will enter the EU!

                  Why do you think so? She will not be allowed in there for grandmothers. Turkey already 50 years as it enters for example.
                  Quote: GDP
                  . Ukrainian enterprises, military-industrial complex cultural institutions, will begin to reorient en masse from Russia to the EU - this is a matter of time ...

                  Mdya ... Why did you get the idea that EU needs Ukrainian defense industry and enterprises? They are just not needed. They will simply be destroyed. If you do not understand this, then I advise you to read the terms of the association for Ukraine.

                  But with culture, everything will be even more complicated. On the air of Shustev, the leaders of the so-called opposition (even before the riots) could not admit that they were accepting EU homosyak habits. There a whole joke came out. And now they will not agree with outrageous radicals and even more so on cultural issues.

                  Quote: GDP
                  Perhaps Putin had one trump ace in stock - this is the deplorable state of the Ukrainian economy. There was a chance that the collapse of the Ukrainian economy would make our brothers think about joining the TS.
                  So we ourselves support its economy in order to prevent this. Where is the logic?

                  1. She is deplorable now, and then it will be even worse, so he has not gone anywhere.
                  2. And having loaded the enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, Putin has several goals:
                  a) accelerate the implementation of the state defense order of the Russian Federation.
                  b) to show both the workers and the Kamers Ukrainian where the grandmother and work will come from. And they clearly choked after the events on the border.
                  1. GDP
                    GDP 29 January 2014 15: 29
                    -9
                    Why do you think so? She will not be allowed there (WEIGHT). Turkey already 50 years as it enters for example

                    Associated membership in the EU is the first step, and even if they are not allowed into the EU anyway, they will not be able to join the CU either ...
                    Mdya ... Why did you get the idea that EU needs Ukrainian defense industry and enterprises? They are just not needed. They will simply be destroyed.

                    Yes, that’s exactly how it will be, I partly agree. However, already now many enterprises, for example defense industry, are starting to integrate with enterprises of NATO countries. Already there are joint developments and projects, for example with Poland, orders are coming from the west. This is the beginning, in the future the economy will dictate the approach to the transition to NATO standards. That would be logical.
                    And having loaded the enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, Putin has several goals:
                    a) accelerate the implementation of the state defense order of the Russian Federation.
                    b) to show both the workers and the Kamers Ukrainian where the grandmother and work will come from. And they clearly choked after the events on the border.

                    This is an interesting point of view ... Deserves attention ...
                    Well, I don’t feel that relations with Russia in Ukraine somehow changed after that ...
                    Maybe it’s a matter of time, of course ... Only now if it doesn’t have a special impact on the politics of Kiev, what will happen next?
                    1. Xoxoxnumxun
                      Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 17: 46
                      +3
                      Quote: GDP
                      Associated membership in the EU is the first step, and even if they are not allowed into the EU anyway, they will not be able to join the CU either ...

                      This is not the first step - it is simply an economic betrayal of the country. As for the association and TS, there would be political will - there are options. At present, Ukraine has forgotten about the association a long time ago. Now it’s just pogroms, and the association was an occasion. At least in the rhetoric of the opposition, the words about the association have disappeared. There are words about a parliamentary republic, the resignation of the government, the resignation of Yanukovych, elections and more.

                      But there is another side to the coin, namely a loan from the Russian Federation and non-payment for gas. And even if a new government appears, it will become his problem. Putin has a strong lever. Physically, Ukraine cannot be scattered for these debts for a long time, so it will have to wait a long time with Europe.

                      Quote: GDP
                      However, already now many enterprises, for example defense industry, are starting to integrate with enterprises of NATO countries. Already there are joint developments and projects, for example with Poland, orders are coming from the west.

                      Here examples would not hurt, because I didn’t hear about projects beyond screwing bumpers. (I exaggerate about the bumper of course). But seriously, then no one from NATO will ever transfer any technology anywhere to a third country — for military secret. And throughout the west, a problem with unemployment. Against this background, shipping orders to Ukraine is utter nonsense.


                      Quote: GDP
                      This is the beginning, in the future the economy will dictate the approach to the transition to NATO standards. That would be logical.

                      The transition to NATO standards will destroy the Ukrainian military-industrial complex - because it will not stand the standards.
                      Quote: GDP
                      Well, I don’t feel that relations with Russia in Ukraine somehow changed after that ...
                      It may of course be a matter of time ...

                      1. Really time.
                      2. What do you mean by the words "attitude to Russia in Ukraine"? When you concretize, it seems to me that you yourself will answer for me.
                    2. Danafxnumx
                      Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 36
                      0
                      Quote: GDP
                      However, already now many enterprises, for example defense industry, are starting to integrate with enterprises of NATO countries.

                      they do not integrate, and the unfortunate Sich engine sells engines that we no longer need, to anyone ...

                      there is a difference between integration and sale ... bully
                      1. es.d
                        es.d 30 January 2014 16: 21
                        0
                        Quote: DanaF1
                        and they don’t integrate, and the unfortunate Sich engine sells engines that we no longer need, to anyone ...

                        there is a difference between integration and sale ... bully

                        1. Why Motor Sich is unhappy (the field of activity is simply huge).
                        2. Since when we began to do without their power units.
                      2. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 31 January 2014 00: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: es.d
                        Why Motor Sich is unhappy (the field of activity is simply huge).

                        not so huge ...
                        you can’t put these engines on Amer’s helicopters, if you don’t buy ours, you just have to supply them for repair to Africa ...
                        Quote: es.d
                        Since when we began to do without their powertrain.

                        from the very same time when the engines for our helicopters began to be produced in Ulyanovsk ... yes, while we are forced to buy a part from a motor sich, but when the Ulyanovsk plant reaches its design capacity ....
                  2. papik09
                    papik09 30 January 2014 04: 13
                    +1
                    In 1985 I applied to join the Communist Party of the Soviet Union as a candidate. The party refused me, due to the fact that I was a worker, and the order was for engineers. In 1986, when I was already working as a legal adviser for a fairly large trust, the secretary of the party committee (released) invited me to submit an application, while he said that there would be no problems. To which I replied: "Yuri Petrovich, last year I asked the party to accept me, it refused. Now the party is asking me? But I don’t want to!"
                    So that's Turkey. When asked to join the EU, the EU refused her. And now the EU asks, and Turkey REFUSES! laughing
                    1. Xoxoxnumxun
                      Xoxoxnumxun 30 January 2014 09: 36
                      +2
                      This is when Turkey refused to join? Very interesting?

                      At the last conference of Putin and Erdogan, Putin joked about this topic (that 50 years in the EU do not take). To which Erdogan asked Putin to assist Turkey in joining the SCO. And about what refuses there was no question. Maybe you know a lot more? Share pzhsta ..
              2. olviko
                olviko 29 January 2014 16: 04
                +9
                "Let's ask the question, what will happen if the situation develops as it is now?"

                Come on. Let's start with the fact that the opposition won in the person of Yatsenyuk, Klitschko and Tyagnibok? In case of consent, the "trinity" automatically falls apart, Tyagnibok has already announced
                automatic transition to the opposition to the government of Yatsenyuk. You can imagine how Rabbit and Boxer will clean the Maidan, free the occupied buildings and streets, because this is the obligation of the opposition. Klitschko has already received from a fire extinguisher, they, admittedly, have already lost control of the Maidan. Even if they succeed, they completely lose credibility, as traitors to the Maidan. If not, then they lose even faster and at all, because they will show their complete helplessness. If Rabbit becomes the prime minister and tries to send Ukraine to the EU, Russia will immediately collapse everything in Ukraine. It simply sells the recently bought Eurobonds of Ukraine on the market, sell them quickly and in large pieces (to which it is entitled any day), and default on Ukraine’s external obligations is guaranteed. Enterprises that have managed to sign the agreement with Russian enterprises will have to fulfill obligations in full with default in default conditions. Or they will simply come under the control of Moscow. And it’s not Yanukovych who’s guilty, but Rabbit. The gas discount, as it turns out, is given only temporarily and requires regular confirmation. And the West has no money for Ukraine and never will. Otherwise, this problem would not have arisen at all, and Ukraine today would have long been in the status of EU vassal. As a result, all that remains for Yatsenyuk is to personally bow to the Kremlin, confirm all the agreements of Yanukovych and beg for money from Putin. This is all in addition to the problems that the Russian side has already voiced before Vilnius.
                But as a Boxer, in the status of a “humanitarian” Vice Prime Minister will heal today's social problems of the Ukrainian people? Even a genius can’t cope with them, and not like a boxer with broken brains. Changes in the constitution? this is a process that will take many months. During this time, either the donkey will die or the paddies. You can always frustrate agreements with the opposition, arrange a force-based variant of dispersal of the Maidan, in such a situation there is always a reason.
                1. rolik
                  rolik 29 January 2014 20: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: olviko
                  .You can imagine how Rabbit and Boxer will clean the Maidan, liberate the occupied buildings and streets,

                  Interesting kung fu turn out)))) take two ... so to speak. Only in the role of Azarov will BEZYAYTSENYUK, and in the role of Yanukovych - Klitschko. What a mockery of fate, isn't it?
                2. Viktor1
                  Viktor1 31 January 2014 15: 54
                  0
                  This triple .... (in short, the three-headed little dragon) never had control over the Maidan, they really want it, but the Wishlist is not enough for this.
              3. rolik
                rolik 29 January 2014 20: 19
                +4
                Quote: GDP
                What other trump ace can Putin get out of his pocket?

                Is it like humor ??? understand ))))
                What trump cards he can pull out is not known to me or you.
                So, I advise you to be patient, everything has its time. In the words of the unforgettable Ostap Suleiman Bert Maria Bender Bey: Quickly only cats will be born))))
                By the way, what did the PM say in Ukraine? Did not hear?? Enough for the government to engage in politics, it’s time to do the economy. And what kind of economy will Ukraine and the EU take up ??? The one that is written in the paragraphs on the association ???? Oh well. Four years later, the same thing will begin as now. Only then will the east of Ukraine do what the west of Ukraine is doing now.
              4. wax
                wax 30 January 2014 00: 27
                0
                There is no trump ace, but the joker should appear. Since it is possible to predict with high probability that neither Yanukovych nor his three barricade opponents will be elected president. True, before the election they will try to change the constitution. What kind of alignment it will bring is unknown.
              5. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 32
                0
                Quote: GDP
                Definitely Ukraine will enter the EU!

                fool
                here after this phrase you can no longer read laughing

                she was not even invited to the EU at all, Turkey has been an associate member for 50 years, and things are still there ...
              6. Trinity
                Trinity 31 January 2014 23: 42
                0
                GDP / If you have run out of ideas about what needs to be done to turn Ukraine the other way, then sit on the site in silence.
              7. Slavapom
                Slavapom 1 February 2014 21: 41
                0
                Perhaps Putin had one trump ace in stock - this is the deplorable state of the Ukrainian economy. There was a chance that the collapse of the Ukrainian economy would make our brothers think about joining the TS.
                So we ourselves support its economy in order to prevent this. Where is the logic?

                That is the ace of trumps, in order to economically tie Ukraine to yourself as strong as possible, and it’s not trivial to buy, but to attract mutual benefit to ourselves, both for us Russians and Ukrainians for them.
            4. DMB-78
              DMB-78 29 January 2014 16: 30
              +4
              Quote: rolik
              one gets the feeling that he had very good analysts and forecasters

              Do you think that a personnel intelligence officer, a resident himself cannot calculate further actions? force the enemy to make the wrong moves? a good scout is distinguished by the ability to wait. watch the film "dead season" there the hero of banionis said well on this topic smile
              1. rolik
                rolik 29 January 2014 20: 28
                +4
                Quote: DMB-78
                Do you think that a personnel intelligence officer, a resident himself cannot calculate further actions?

                I have no doubt, maybe. But to shovel a huge amount of information and compile it all, you need good analytics. And to predict the possible consequences of the many provided branches of the development of events are good programmers. But, of course, the final version of the few remaining, after screening, selects GDP.
          3. Prutkov
            Prutkov 29 January 2014 15: 58
            +3
            Everything that is being said and done now is for Ukrainian heads and ears. Therefore, it is important to know what ordinary Ukrainians see and what conclusions they draw. Therefore, a more serious information program for Ukraine is needed. So that these guys, Berkut, know that now they are behind the integrity of Ukraine, the fate of their families. It is worth seeing, as they show on "1 + 1", that half-witted grandmothers with the inscription "MAMA" approach the rows and persuade them to drop their weapons. How were they allowed to pass through three lines of barricades, through which not even all maydauns are allowed ???
          4. acute
            acute 29 January 2014 16: 47
            -2
            He said, said, but what's the point. Everything goes according to the American scenario. You can talk as much as you want. but to not do it ....
            1. gorge1945
              gorge1945 29 January 2014 17: 57
              +4
              But this is true. The whole booze in Ukraine is planned in the USA and its vassals i.e. EU
              The calculation was on the possible intervention of Russia, the response would be the entry of NATO into the territory of Ukraine. Putin behaved calmly at a press conference as a leader who knows his own worth, which cannot be said about EU representatives
              whose confidence and calm rhetoric of Putin acts on them like a red rag on a bull.
              1. acute
                acute 31 January 2014 11: 08
                0
                You have an overexcitation in my opinion. What troops, where, who will introduce ?. It’s good that managers have less imagination
          5. takto.onotak
            takto.onotak 29 January 2014 17: 14
            0
            I agree! In principle, he made it clear that there is another side to the coin, and delicacy is still probably a necessary measure, to become prematurely inflamed ...
          6. takto.onotak
            takto.onotak 29 January 2014 17: 14
            0
            I agree! In principle, he made it clear that there is another side to the coin, and delicacy is still probably a necessary measure, to become prematurely inflamed ...
        3. Nicola
          Nicola 29 January 2014 13: 14
          0
          It was easy to squeeze, all the savings (looted) are stored in the states or western banks. Partners do not stand on ceremony and at any moment freeze the accounts of our gentlemen. We have long been owned by our so-called partners.
          1. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 47
            0
            Quote: Nicola
            We have long belonged to our so-called partners.

            and not vice versa?
            and if we throw off all bonds?
            1. acute
              acute 31 January 2014 11: 11
              0
              What bonds? where to throw ?. Who are we? Do you have a bond warehouse at home?
            2. acute
              acute 31 January 2014 11: 15
              0
              What bonds? where to throw it? Who are we? Do you have a bond warehouse at home?
        4. Genry
          Genry 29 January 2014 13: 47
          +7
          Quote: akut
          Each time, Putin’s remarks are becoming smoother.

          I learned from the Chinese what can be agreed and done in my own way.
        5. Genry
          Genry 29 January 2014 13: 47
          +1
          Quote: akut
          Each time, Putin’s remarks are becoming smoother.

          I learned from the Chinese what can be agreed and done in my own way.
          1. acute
            acute 29 January 2014 16: 57
            -1
            May they not be allowed to do their own thing. Money of our oligarchs, and deputies in Western banks
            1. es.d
              es.d 29 January 2014 17: 51
              +3
              Quote: akut
              May they not be allowed to do their own thing. Money of our oligarchs, and deputies in Western banks

              Putin's money is here. And life after the presidency directly depends on the strength of Russia. Gorbachev’s sweet life does not shine for him. And throwing Ukraine at the mercy of fate is like death. Surely something is being done. I believe in it.
              1. acute
                acute 29 January 2014 22: 45
                0
                I wish I could believe that. But how do you know where Putin’s money is? From where they much depends. I think the reserve fund was conceived for a reason
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                2. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: akut
                  But how do you know where Putin’s money is?

                  brain, he is in order to think ...

                  Well, where do you think Putin will be met with his money as a dear guest, given how many nasty things he did the USA and the EU?
                  do you really think that they are waiting for him? fool
                  1. acute
                    acute 31 January 2014 10: 43
                    0
                    That's right, in order to think, not to invent
                3. es.d
                  es.d 30 January 2014 16: 32
                  0
                  Quote: akut
                  I wish I could believe that. But how do you know where Putin’s money is? From where they much depends. I think the reserve fund was conceived for a reason

                  Modern money is in computers (in other people's computers). Turned off the light - the money was gone. Putin is not a fool, I hope not to dispute this. If Putin is "revealed to be a" bloody Dictator, "the lights will be turned off. The Reserve Fund is a Tribute. The Anglo-Saxon Yoke.
                  1. acute
                    acute 31 January 2014 10: 46
                    +1
                    Do you think that his money is in his name? How simple you are. People come up with such schemes, and you "turned off the computer and the money disappeared." You gotta be smarter
                    1. es.d
                      es.d 31 January 2014 16: 54
                      0
                      And what's the difference, in whose name the money lies. The switch is still not with us. Is the example of Cyprus not indicative for you? And Putin's money will be calculated at once. Now, financial and industrial espionage is perfect. Yes, no spies - various "bulk" and traitors, hurrying to sell at least something - enough.
        6. 31231
          31231 29 January 2014 14: 25
          +6
          They pressed him slowly but surely. "Partners" fuck him through the media and he loses


          Another delirium. "Pressed", "gouged".
          This is a foreign policy, and not a collective farm named after Lenin, and gorlopanstvo and whooperosity at the meeting will not understand. You blame Putin. And what have you personally done for the country that you blame the person who leads the largest power for a third term?
          The same defeatist-moaning Natsiks in Western Ukraine lost, because instead of opposing them, they blame the authorities.
          But serious people were found in the East and South of Ukraine, and not defeatists, and they repulse the Rugul. And you, as before, wound your snot on your fist on the Internet.
          1. acute
            acute 29 January 2014 17: 16
            -9
            31231 This is why you are so brave. And I would wrap you snot, but you only hid behind a nickname. and in general advice: be careful with unfamiliar people
        7. 31231
          31231 29 January 2014 14: 40
          +14
          And this is for you, so that the snot on the monitor is not smeared that Ukraine is lost. Remember, the winner is not the one who throats more and pours money, but the one on whose side the truth is.
          1. GDP
            GDP 29 January 2014 14: 58
            +2
            Something is invisible in Kiev, of any serious opposition of the opposition and even extremists and Nazis.
            At least in the media, and even ours would definitely not have missed this ...
            1. Prutkov
              Prutkov 29 January 2014 16: 03
              +3
              Well, Moscow doesn’t support Putin too, judging by the television.
              1. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 53
                +4
                Quote: Rods
                Well, Moscow doesn’t support Putin too, judging by the television.

                we have in Moscow a lot of all kinds of people ... strangers ...
                1. Viktor1
                  Viktor1 31 January 2014 15: 59
                  +2
                  It's like in Ukraine depending on which channel to watch.
            2. 31231
              31231 29 January 2014 19: 59
              +1
              Quote: GDP
              The people of Syria and Libya have already decided their own destiny ... Shall we wait for the same in Ukraine? But in the first and second cases, civil war could have been avoided.

              This is the first time I’ll write a phrase that the people of Ukraine are not Syria and not Libya. Although in a different context, I think the opposite. But the people are beginning to realize what a revolution can lead to.
              And to find out what they’re thinking about, don’t need to watch their engaged TV channels, read the websites of the cities of the East and South of Ukraine.
              1. papik09
                papik09 30 January 2014 04: 28
                +1
                Ball, you are a dunce. For, to know the objective picture, you need to WATCH ALL! And then "filter" the husk (independently), that is, work as a "gray matter", which you should have in the container between the ears. And if you only eat there, then there are no questions. fool
            3. TiGRoO
              TiGRoO 30 January 2014 01: 57
              0
              Take a closer look at the resistance in the Kiev region, and the city itself is indicated as captured by the Nazis, but this is not for long)
          2. Docent1984
            Docent1984 29 January 2014 22: 54
            0
            Can you explain why the Transcarpathian region is different from the rest of the Galician? What is the reason for this?
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 54
              +2
              Quote: Docent1984
              Can you explain why the Transcarpathian region is different from the rest of the Galician? What is the reason for this?

              but not there Rusyns live?
              1. TiGRoO
                TiGRoO 30 January 2014 01: 59
                +2
                As well as Hungarians, Romanians, Russians, Belarusians and, of course, Ukrainians. But Transcarpathia will not let the fascists go!
              2. Docent1984
                Docent1984 30 January 2014 10: 05
                +1
                I confess that I am not strong in this matter. I have never traveled to those lands, even the deceased great-grandfather said - "The Westerners live behind the Dnieper, for us they are enemies worse than the Germans." As far as I remember, all these lands used to be Galicia and became part of the USSR only in the 39th. It seemed to me that they were all smeared with the same world. I am pleasantly surprised that it is not so. Can someone elaborate on the topic in more detail? People are interested.
          3. Docent1984
            Docent1984 29 January 2014 22: 54
            0
            Can you explain why the Transcarpathian region is different from the rest of the Galician? What is the reason for this?
          4. TiGRoO
            TiGRoO 30 January 2014 01: 49
            0
            Poltava must be recaptured (((
        8. papik09
          papik09 30 January 2014 04: 01
          0
          Putin is a "quiet guy", he does everything right. I didn't talk too much about Syria either. Moreover, it was easier there: the United Nations vetoed goodbye America, and with Ukraine it is more difficult. It is better to "quietly" slowly, but do your job. hi
        9. lapo32
          lapo32 31 January 2014 14: 46
          0
          in the information, you will go against those scumbags on the Maidan, with bare hands, release your son ... For the sake of what, what do we need there
      2. olviko
        olviko 29 January 2014 11: 25
        +20
        "Putin declares to the whole world that we will not interfere in the situation in Ukraine, we will not support anyone, we will not withdraw our loans if the opposition comes to power."

        Well, you probably need to understand the difference between statements for the whole world, on the commitment to democracy, friendship, fraternity and world peace, and real affairs that are not advertised. If you take Syria, then Putin and Lavrov only said that they did not support Assad, but they just want to make peace. If it was so in reality, Assad, I think I would already be hanging on some kind of palm tree, and scumbags would eat his liver. According to the information available from Kiev, virtually all the functions of protecting state security and the constitutional system of Ukraine were undertaken by the FSB brigades in Kiev. Now in the capital there is an active confrontation between Russian and Western special services. The SBU in the framework of the situation turned out to be completely incompetent. Despite the fact that ordinary operating personnel were aware of preparations for the rebellion a few months before it began, the SBU authorities did not react to such information in any way. The bosses are still afraid to give orders (this is a complete failure of the personnel policy of the "regionals"). The staff of the SBU is demoralized and during the night shifts it is only collectively “thumping.” I don’t know, probably this cannot be attributed to the entire SBU, there are always people who honor their duty, but apparently there are such facts. accusations of cowardice.
        http://imperiya.by/
      3. starshina78
        starshina78 29 January 2014 11: 28
        +6
        There is only one answer - the Olympics! Now Putin will emerge, and it is not known what will happen to the Olympics. So his hands are now tied, and even if he will sit back after the Olympics, then only one thing can be said - he is weak and afraid to go against the EU and the USA!
        1. just exp
          just exp 29 January 2014 12: 42
          +13
          he opted against them in Syria, so he’s no longer afraid, just sometimes the games are so subtle that they can not be seen with the naked eye.
          1. acute
            acute 29 January 2014 22: 48
            -3
            The same thing again. you wishful thinking
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 56
              0
              Quote: akut
              The same thing again. you wishful thinking

              don't blame the mirror ...

              in psychology there is such a thing called transfer ...
              this is when their thoughts and emotions are attributed to others ...

              along the way, you are doing this ...
        2. es.d
          es.d 29 January 2014 16: 54
          0
          Quote: starshina78
          There is only one answer - the Olympics! Now Putin will emerge, and it is not known what will happen to the Olympics.

          With your lips and honey to drink. Then there will be a World Championship. Shaw - again?
      4. optimist
        optimist 29 January 2014 12: 14
        -30%
        Quote: Polovec
        Putin throughout the world declares that we will not intervene in the situation in Ukraine, we will not support anyone, we will not withdraw our loans

        Did you hope to hear something else ??? Vovan does what his western masters say. Plus the fear for your favorite "limpiyad". If only he twitches, the whole world will clean up this Sochi bacchanalia. I have a big suspicion (IMHO) that after 7.02. the situation in Ukraine will generally get out of control and NATO "peacekeepers" will enter there. And Vova will "blow bubbles" ... According to various sources, the Americans and the Germans "pumped" about 5 billion dollars into the Ukrainian bouza. And these kids are not used to throwing their money down the drain. After Ukraine failed to be peacefully drawn into bondage to Europe, "Plan B" was launched. And our "urya-patriots" have already begun to praise the "great and sagacious" ... Relax: the "game" has just begun.
        1. just exp
          just exp 29 January 2014 12: 43
          +16
          tell how his western masters ordered him not to surrender Syria and beat the Georgians.
          I'm sooooooooo interested, now you’ll probably tell me so much information, truthful information, I crave impatience with details.
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 29 January 2014 15: 40
          +7
          Quote: optimist
          Vovan does what his Western masters say.

          Quote: optimist
          After Ukraine failed to be peacefully drawn into bondage to Europe, "Plan B" was launched.

          Why failed? "Vovan" interfered? But what about "doing what they say"?
        3. papik09
          papik09 30 January 2014 04: 34
          -1
          Alexey! You seem to be an adult (it's too late for an abortion), and you write such nonsense - "NATO peacekeepers" will "enter" fool A normal person thinks at first, and then speaks or writes, and you? I pass your comment. negative
      5. just exp
        just exp 29 January 2014 12: 40
        +6
        But didn’t you think that Putin knows something that you don’t know?
        o too calm, it means that he knows what will happen and that it will "be" according to his scenario, even if outwardly it looks like a defeat. although there is no question of defeat.
        1. optimist
          optimist 29 January 2014 13: 21
          -17%
          Quote: just explo
          But didn’t you think that Putin knows something that you don’t know?

          Firstly, do not "poke" me: we did not drink on the broodreschaft. Secondly, I judge the actions of our "guarantor" not by the laudatory odes of the putinoids, but by the real "exhaust". And this "exhaust" is very meager. Let's keep quiet about Georgia: their "galtukoed" successfully reigned and dumped to the masters in the United States, no one answered for this "war", and Russia hung on its neck the next freeloaders in the form of Ossetia and Abkhazia. In Syria, everything is also far from finished and ambiguous. And the Americans at any time can roll out another "present", forgetting about the XO. And the Ukrainian "party" is just beginning to play out. So, as the Ukrainians say, "don't say gop ..". I agree that there is very much we do not know and will never know. But looking at the internal politics of your "idol" in economics, nat. the issue of migration, attitudes towards his fellow stool-mates and many other things, a strong impression is created that this is clearly a "sent Cossack".
          1. IOwTZ
            IOwTZ 29 January 2014 14: 39
            -7
            I agree. The exhaust is not very scarce, but it does not exist at all. I already wrote that for 14 years of the golden reign, at exorbitant oil prices, we received only the parent NAKAPITAL.
            1. Xoxoxnumxun
              Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 15: 16
              +10
              Well, to get something else, try to get a job. Indeed, our support for parasites is not as democratic as in the USA. What to do? - Cost of authoritarianism ...
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                1. Xoxoxnumxun
                  Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 17: 58
                  +11
                  Quote: IOwTZ
                  Perhaps the "costs of authoritarianism"?

                  Rather, the costs of capitalism.
                  Quote: IOwTZ
                  at the given time, I need housing, the average salary in the region (CFD) from 27 to 40 thousand / rubles / month. How to buy an apartment (mortgage 15-18% as in Africa, nahui)?

                  Does Africa have interest rate subsidy programs? Young family programs? + You unloved "maternity capital"? and other gesheft in the style of free land for 3 children?

                  Ah-ah-ah-ah, let me guess, probably in the west of enlightenment all working immediately bought himself a cheap apartment and do not live a lifetime taking flats for rent?

                  What specifically is dissatisfied with? The fact that with one salary you can’t buy a hut? Or what they don’t give for free? Let me remind you, they used to give it, but someone wanted sneakers and democracy ...
                  1. IOwTZ
                    IOwTZ 29 January 2014 18: 41
                    -1
                    Quote: Xoxo4un
                    Does Africa have interest rate subsidy programs? Young family programs? + You unloved "maternity capital"? and other gesheft in the style of free land for 3 children?


                    Maternal capital is a plus. I will not comment further, emptiness. Offer it to those who have already taken advantage of this noose.

                    Quote: Xoxo4un
                    Ah-ah-ah-ah, let me guess, probably in the west of enlightenment all working immediately bought himself a cheap apartment and do not live a lifetime taking flats for rent?


                    Guessing is not necessary, I will prompt. Buy normal apartments at a mortgage rate of 1,5-2,0%.

                    Quote: Xoxo4un
                    What specifically is dissatisfied with? The fact that with one salary you can’t buy a hut? Or what they don’t give for free? Let me remind you, they used to give it, but someone wanted sneakers and democracy ...


                    I'm not complaining about Life. I really want the "man of the year" and his team to work not for Uncle Sam, but for Uncle Vanya. Here on a parallel thread in the article "Forecast of Russia's development until 2030" read the comments.
                    1. Xoxoxnumxun
                      Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 19: 10
                      +5
                      Quote: IOwTZ

                      Maternal capital is a plus. I will not comment further, emptiness. Offer it to those who have already taken advantage of this noose.


                      Quote: IOwTZ
                      Guessing is not necessary, I will prompt. Buy normal apartments at a mortgage rate of 1,5-2,0%.


                      The answer is incorrect.
                      For example, for the same Germany, the mortgage is 3-5% and then provided that you have 50% of the amount.
                      Woo-ala http://www.rufaltd.com/articles/rinok_nedvizhimosti_i_ipoteka

                      Similarly France:
                      http://www.richard-immo.com/ipotechniy_credit.html

                      So it goes well with our mortgage with interest rate subsidies. Y stands in the region of 6%
                      It doesn’t differ much, so in vain you want our country.

                      Quote: IOwTZ
                      I'm not complaining about Life. I really want the "man of the year" and his team to work not for Uncle Sam, but for Uncle Vanya.

                      Believe it or not, he is working for him. Uncle Sam "indignant" ...


                      Quote: IOwTZ
                      "Forecast of Russia's development up to 2030" read the comments.

                      On the fence, too, they just won’t write ...
                    2. IOwTZ
                      IOwTZ 29 January 2014 19: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Xoxo4un
                      Quote: IOwTZ

                      Maternal capital is a plus. I will not comment further, emptiness. Offer it to those who have already taken advantage of this noose.


                      Quote: IOwTZ
                      Guessing is not necessary, I will prompt. Buy normal apartments at a mortgage rate of 1,5-2,0%.


                      The answer is incorrect.
                      For example, for the same Germany, the mortgage is 3-5% and then provided that you have 50% of the amount.
                      Woo-ala http://www.rufaltd.com/articles/rinok_nedvizhimosti_i_ipoteka

                      Similarly France:
                      http://www.richard-immo.com/ipotechniy_credit.html

                      So it goes well with our mortgage with interest rate subsidies. Y stands in the region of 6%
                      It doesn’t differ much, so in vain you want our country.

                      Quote: IOwTZ
                      I'm not complaining about Life. I really want the "man of the year" and his team to work not for Uncle Sam, but for Uncle Vanya.

                      Believe it or not, he is working for him. Uncle Sam "indignant" ...


                      Quote: IOwTZ
                      "Forecast of Russia's development up to 2030" read the comments.

                      On the fence, too, they just won’t write ...


                      "They won't write anything on the fence either"
                    3. Xoxoxnumxun
                      Xoxoxnumxun 29 January 2014 22: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: IOwTZ

                      "They won't write anything on the fence either"

                      Well, when there is nothing to answer, then you can answer that way. You could just not answer once blown away ...
                    4. acute
                      acute 29 January 2014 22: 56
                      +1
                      this is where you found a mortgage for 6%
                    5. Xoxoxnumxun
                      Xoxoxnumxun 30 January 2014 09: 02
                      +1
                      You draw up a mortgage, something around 15%, then you draw up documents to include you in the interest rate subsidy program (for example, under the "young family" program) at the expense of the state, and as a result, the borrower himself has to pay the loan body + about 6%.

                      In general, the program of a young family can be regional and sometimes federal. Accordingly, regional differences. Earlier, grandmas were given for these programs, now it seems that basically they subsidize interest. But I still judge by my region.
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                2. IOwTZ
                  IOwTZ 30 January 2014 11: 43
                  0
                  It is very difficult to write about what there is nothing to write about (answer). Especially about a mortgage about 6% or this: - "You draw up a mortgage, something around 15%, then you draw up documents to include you in the interest rate subsidy program (for example, under the" young family "program)". Dear, you probably live in an apartment that you left from your grandparents. If you have not encountered this, then you better keep silent. But the most ridiculous of your comment is: - "You will not believe, but he is working for him. Uncle Sam is" indignant "... Do you understand what you write about? How can you work for Uncle Vanya with Chubais, Dvorkovich, Serdyukov, iPhone, Golikova, Mutko, Levitin, I don't remember the name of the minister of education, etc. Honestly, I didn't even want to answer you.
                3. Xoxoxnumxun
                  Xoxoxnumxun 30 January 2014 12: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: IOwTZ
                  It is very difficult to write about what there is nothing to write about (answer). Especially about a mortgage about 6% or this: - "You draw up a mortgage, something around 15%, then you draw up documents to include you in the interest rate subsidy program (for example, under the" young family "program)". Dear, you probably live in an apartment that you left from your grandparents. If you have not encountered this, then you better keep silent.

                  I live in a rented apartment in the city of Cheboksary. I am 26 years old. Married. Son 10 months. Engineer. Just busy solving the housing problem. For I live in a rented apartment from 2009 year. Tired of it. The above data are from the program that I am trying to formalize at the Russian Agricultural Bank.



                  Quote: IOwTZ
                  But the most ridiculous of your comment is: - "You will not believe, but he is working for him. Uncle Sam is" indignant "... Do you understand what you write about? How can you work for Uncle Vanya with Chubais, Dvorkovich, Serdyukov, iPhone, Golikova, Mutko, Levitin, I don't remember the name of the minister of education, etc. Honestly, I didn't even want to answer you.


                  A logical continuation of your opus would be the song "The cat abandoned the kittens - it's Putin's fault."

                  Of course, Putin is to blame for everything, that he appointed a bunch of enemies to the government. And on the bench are the unrealized talents of competent managers. Yeah. Believe it yourself?

                  I have the opposite opinion - I think that we have a crisis of management personnel in our country. Therefore, the government is molded according to the principle "I blinded you out of what was ...". There are a bunch of so-called representatives of the elite, who over the decades have caught only how to quickly cut down money, and are completely incapable of a long and dreary creation. Therefore, there are schemes in the style of "Not enough money for state programs? - Let's privatize some state-owned enterprise, and next year we will privatize something else. I have been a temporary minister for 4 years anyway."

                  Of the last disappointments - Medinsky. I made such a good impression until I became a minister - you can clap your hands for joy ... But in the end ... you can say zilch ...
                4. IOwTZ
                  IOwTZ 30 January 2014 13: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Xoxo4un
                  For I live in a rented apartment since 2009. Tired of it.


                  Well, you see, the year 2014 is outside and you think you are studying the issue. I have been sucking this question for a long time, too, but so far I have not decided to hang a financial loop on myself. The country's leadership has the opportunity to make mortgage lending affordable. Now this is bondage. I wish you success!
                5. Xoxoxnumxun
                  Xoxoxnumxun 30 January 2014 15: 16
                  0
                  Quote: IOwTZ
                  The country's leadership has the opportunity to make mortgage lending affordable. Now this is bondage.

                  For example, how do you see this?
                  Quote: IOwTZ
                  Good luck to you!

                  Thank you
                6. officer29
                  officer29 30 January 2014 17: 22
                  +2
                  The Young Family program is not a program for the poor or the faint of heart! The daughter and her husband, in theory, fall under this program, but (as always another "but ...") they do not have sufficient savings and sufficient official earnings, which should be at least 50 thousand rubles for each family member, that is 150 thousand rubles !!! crying
                7. Xoxoxnumxun
                  Xoxoxnumxun 30 January 2014 20: 08
                  0
                  I don’t know in which region you live in order to have such conditions. In ours this is not. In my mine 38t.r. net enough to get a loan of 1 800 000 rubles. Even without taking into account the salary of his wife (she is on maternity leave). Well, of course with guarantors.
            2. officer29
              officer29 30 January 2014 17: 15
              0
              Of the last disappointments - Medinsky. He made such a good impression until he became Minister ...

              But in Transbaikalia, the Head of the Rural Settlement, popularly chosen, unable to withstand the pressure of the System, HANG! That was his answer when he realized that he could not fulfill any of the promises given to his fellow villagers to improve or, at least, normalize life. hi . A worthy, honest man turned out to be an officer, shot himself!
            3. Xoxoxnumxun
              Xoxoxnumxun 30 January 2014 20: 16
              +1
              Not an indicator. I also went to serve in the army under the pressure of public opinion such as "hazing", "dagi", "peeling potatoes", "painting the grass." And he served normally. We also have one hanged himself. Although he did not serve a day. From the first day to the hospital "mow". After 3 months in part. He ran away from the medical unit and hanged himself on a trouser belt outside the territory of the unit on the same day. Did you also fail with the system?

              The meaning of a person’s life is overcoming difficulties to improve the world around him. If without clarification and generalized. And this is the easiest way to commit suicide / to flee to another country / not to raise children and live for yourself and other options to choose from. Nobody will ever bring anything on a silver platter. Alas...

              Although, to be honest, every human life is a pity.
  2. papik09
    papik09 30 January 2014 04: 39
    +1
    "On the fence, too, what they just do not write ...", and behind the fence there is firewood drinks laughing
  3. Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 02: 01
    +1
    Quote: IOwTZ
    Guessing is not necessary, I will prompt. Buy normal apartments at a mortgage rate of 1,5-2,0%.

    yeah, and then they pay it another 40 years ...
  • acute
    acute 29 January 2014 22: 53
    0
    not to someone, but to specific people who are currently in power
  • just exp
    just exp 29 January 2014 15: 48
    +10
    forgot how we lived 14 years ago?
    otherwise I can remind you that about a mobile for 200 bucks and about a PC for 500-600, 90 percent could only dream of, and this is not about megahertz and gigabytes, but about dollars that the population could spend on megahertz and megabytes .
    I can also remind you about abidas costumes, rehab shoes, sona tape recorders, panaskanik. creepy branded stuff however. Now go and see what students go to, which gadgets they play. and mother Russia is great, but nowhere to put the car. that's how people with hunger and poverty buy cars in the millions a year.
    1. optimist
      optimist 29 January 2014 16: 50
      -4
      Quote: just explo
      and mother Russia is great, but nowhere to put the car. that's how people with hunger and poverty buy cars in the millions a year.

      You, dear, the logic of the Papuan, who received glass beads and a mirror. The fact that the Russian redneck has raked in credit wheelbarrows does not mean anything. For these clothes and pieces of iron you did not notice how our country was stolen from all of us.
      Quote: just explo
      tell why Ossetia and Abkhazia are parasites, and Israel for the states is not a parasite and an ally.

      Elementary: because the population of these "small and proud" republics does not work (like the entire Caucasus), but lives off the Russian budget. And then such "smart people" as you are outraged by the rise in prices for everything around. As for Israel, the "Jewish comrades" are more than fulfilling their gesheft ...
      1. just exp
        just exp 29 January 2014 17: 22
        +9
        the fact that our "redneck" picked up wheelbarrows on credit, suggests that the "redneck" has something to pay off this loan, that is, they are not starving in any way.
        by the way in the states, too, cars are taken for the most part on credit. too hungry? or in the states there are no poor? because there paradise and civilization and authorities defeated old age and death.
        Threat and what is it then working Jews still require themselves for 3 lard bachey to help (free of charge, that is, yes "d" ohm) for only one military man? do they work? or they work so badly that they demand to help themselves (free of charge, that is, yes "d" ohm) three times more than the entire budget of a comparable country in terms of population and size of the country like Moldova (although Israel will be a little more).
        Yes, Israel for a year only on a military commissar receives more than Abkhazia and Ossetia for all years for everything.
    2. rolik
      rolik 29 January 2014 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: just explo
      otherwise I can somehow remind you about a 200 bucks mobile

      I’ve bought my mobile phone (Nokia) in 1997. We Then opened the Northwestern GMESEM (now Megaphone). So the mobile phone came to me in 1500 dollars, plus a connection for 250, a minute of conversation 20 rubles (though the first 6 hours of talks as a gift). And then they didn’t know about SMS at that time, then everyone was running around with pagers.
      I remember the years 91-92, when they gave away a new Gigue of the sixth model for the video two)))) These were the savages we were.
      1. just exp
        just exp 29 January 2014 21: 06
        +1
        this is the beginning of the 90s, and in the late 90s it was possible to take boo tubes from us the major took erikson then, I don’t remember the models, but I remember that they later changed them to nokia, nokia 8250 was especially popular.
        1. zoomIZH
          zoomIZH 30 January 2014 01: 13
          0
          Ericsson 677 seems (or 600 grams of shame), I sometimes hammer in such nails, you could throw like a cobblestone
      2. papik09
        papik09 30 January 2014 04: 44
        +1
        I have it in 1995. I don't remember the model. Operator - UMSi, now - MTS. The handset cost 1200 dollars, a minute of an outgoing call was 2 dollars, an incoming call was 1 dollar. And as a gift there was 30 minutes of "free" conversation drinks
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 59
    0
    Quote: IOwTZ
    I agree. The exhaust is not very scarce, but it does not exist at all. I already wrote that for 14 years of the golden reign, at exorbitant oil prices, we received only the parent NAKAPITAL.

    Well, what are you still not the president, if you know him better what needs to be done?
  • just exp
    just exp 29 January 2014 15: 45
    +4
    Don't poke me yourself, write culturally "don't poke".
    and you probably judge by grants, because the exhaust is already entering the army in series and in the form of a bunch of models. and tell us why Ossetia and Abkhazia are parasites, and Israel for the states is not a parasite and an ally.
  • DMB-78
    DMB-78 29 January 2014 16: 56
    +4
    presidents build their policies on reports from the ministry of foreign affairs, intelligence, etc. and who those who criticize them use only rumors and what the media will tell them. Novikov-surf wrote to Tsushima, where he outraged both the commanders of the ships and the admirals themselves. but how could a simple sailor from the hold see and understand. what the admiral intended, all the more so as and how it really goes. not so long ago, historians recognized that everything was done correctly. they lost only because there were gross miscalculations of the General Staff, a backlog in armaments. and in general, the one sitting in the trench will never understand what the marshal is up to
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 02: 07
      0
      Quote: DMB-78
      and in general, the one sitting in the trench will never understand what the marshal is up to

      and which soldier does not dream of becoming a general?

      besides, some people think that for this you just need to scream louder and throw the brown substance on the fan ...
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  • zzz
    zzz 29 January 2014 13: 47
    +3
    I think he told Yanukovych
    Quote: just explo
    what will happen and what it will "be" according to his script,
    , so he ordered to hold out "by any means", even the hopak on the Maidan allowed to dance ..)))
  • 31231
    31231 29 January 2014 14: 46
    0
    But didn’t you think that Putin knows something that you don’t know?


    For some time now I don’t even read the comments of this network character. And you think you should not spray on a person speaking for all one negative.
    1. olviko
      olviko 29 January 2014 15: 50
      +12
      "And I think you shouldn't be sprayed on a person who speaks for all one negative."

      I remember August 2013, when you threatened to bomb Syria. How many different optimists were on this forum, how many hysterics: "Putin fucked up Syria, everything is gone, Russia is wrong, it was necessary that, it was necessary." ..ope gentlemen? Times have changed, I think Putin will wash the West this time too, recently he taught them to do it regularly.
  • stas132
    stas132 29 January 2014 13: 07
    +13
    In such cases, I always agree with those who say that we don’t know much. Perhaps special communications are now hotter than on the Maidan, but with better prospects. What I want to hope for.
  • Heccrbq.3
    Heccrbq.3 29 January 2014 13: 37
    0
    You can find all the answers to your questions in the book "Power in TNT Equivalent" by M. Poltoranin. http://4itaem.com/read/250198
  • 31231
    31231 29 January 2014 14: 18
    +7
    It amazes me (once again) the cowardly position of our authorities! Putin throughout the world declares that we will not interfere in the situation in Ukraine, we will not support anyone, we will not withdraw our loans if the opposition comes to power.


    And I am amazed by the chatter of some citizens and people who propose to intervene in the affairs of Ukraine without asking the people of Ukraine and its authorities.
    Moreover, there is a suspicion that such talkers shouted at the time that Putin had leaked Assad.

    Now for the specifics? What should Putin do to make you happy?
    Send troops? Do you have any idea what it is? Or are you like Chapay, pulled out a saber and let's go indiscriminately chop the "cabbage"? Yes, and not his own.
    When you are already growing up and understand that Ukraine must decide how to live on ?! Not Yanyk, not Putin, not Yaytsenyukh, not Klitschko. This should be done by the people of Ukraine through elections.

    And Bender and other Natsik are no longer just stopped, but they are also caught and beaten.
    1. GDP
      GDP 29 January 2014 15: 10
      +1
      And I am amazed by the chatter of some citizens and people who propose to intervene in the affairs of Ukraine without asking the people of Ukraine and its authorities.

      The people of Syria and Libya have already decided their own destiny ... Shall we wait for the same in Ukraine? But in the first and second cases, civil war could have been avoided.

      I do not think that something similar will happen in Ukraine, but the fact that in Ukraine Russian interests are defeated is a fact.

      And the fact that the West dominates the media, pushing its interests, and the East is silent is also a fact ...

      I will say it openly! I am Russian! The prosperity of the Ukrainian people and the very existence of such a power as Ukraine is interesting to me only when it is a friendly power and a friendly people.

      The authorities, the media, education and culture make them friendly or hostile to me and I care about the impact our government has on these institutions in Ukraine and whether it is able to do this at all ...
  • Prutkov
    Prutkov 29 January 2014 15: 49
    +7
    Look at Ukrainian TV channels and you will understand that everyone is just waiting for Russia to start making sharp movements towards Ukraine. News lines are already full of Russian special forces dressed in the uniform of the Berkut, they write that the weapons and ammunition used by the Berkut are from Russia. What a squeal would have risen if Russia had made sudden movements! But the fact that the information war is currently being played is a fact. After all, you can find a lot of interesting and necessary facts in the history of Ukraine. You can show the films "Taras Bulba", "With Fire and Sword" on the channels that are broadcast to Ukraine. You can develop the theme of the Haidamak uprisings in Ukraine. Moreover, Shevchenko has an excellent poem - "Haidamaki". Remind people of Kodna. Remind - "Shob you chorty to Kodni took away."
    1. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 02: 11
      -1
      Quote: Rods
      It is possible to show films "Taras Bulba", "With Fire and Sword" on channels that are broadcast in Ukraine

      would you watch a historical film at a time when history is happening?

      in fact, the information war essentially does not solve anything ...
      Ukraine will be divided into Ukrainians, and Putin, Barroso and Obama ...
  • Danafxnumx
    Danafxnumx 30 January 2014 01: 21
    0
    Quote: Polovec
    Putin throughout the world declares that we will not interfere in the situation in Ukraine, we will not support anyone, we will not withdraw our loans if the opposition comes to power. At the same time, Obama declares full support for the anti-government forces of Ukraine. About the fact that all Western and Amersky trash squeals about this from the beginning of the conflict and adds fuel to the fire it is said a thousand times!
    Why can not we support our interests in Ukraine?

    Putin’s task is to ensure that the Russians in Ukraine do not hate us and do not think that we are telling them ...

    although, the undercover game certainly goes ...
  • valerakuh
    valerakuh 30 January 2014 06: 20
    +4
    You listened to Putin inattentively! You need to listen to him with a cold head. He told the world that he was interested in the creditworthiness of Ukraine and economic stability. That says it all. So NOT interested:
    - in default
    - in the civil war
    - in the riots.
    And he knows how to work with any government, even 100% orange. Remember, it was recently. It, orange, does not last long in Ukraine, flies like a cork under the pressure of the people. As they say the Pole in the Kremlin will not sit for a long time.
    Quote: Polovec
    Putin throughout the world declares that we will not interfere in the situation in Ukraine, we will not support anyone, we will not withdraw our loans if the opposition comes to power. At the same time, Obama declares full support for the anti-government forces of Ukraine.

    Obama only mentioned support for the PEACEFUL expression of his rights by citizens of Ukraine.
    And what should Putin say?
    Of course he will suspend loans if robbers come. But there is a struggle under the carpet so that the robbers do not come to power.
    The Soviet Union was brutal, so what?
    Times have come such that one can only be defeated by brains and composure.
    Olympics 2014. After all, you need to understand that the quiet holding of this holiday and the recognition and visit of leaders from all over the world will return to Russia the status of a superpower. An understanding will come that she again can overpower the event on a planetary scale. And economically, and most importantly organizationally. To build from scratch, to manage, to convince its people that it is necessary, to break down international information resistance, to convince the whole world that Russia is resurrected after the 1991 defeat by means of such machinines as Sochi 2014 can only be the power of the first five ...
  • tryphon
    tryphon 31 January 2014 22: 59
    0
    Very many in Ukraine would not object to Russian intervention. Moreover, both Russia and the United States are equal guarantors of Ukraine’s security after the collapse of the USSR and Ukraine’s renunciation of nuclear weapons.
  • Slevinst
    Slevinst 4 February 2014 11: 36
    0
    And I’m not completely in agreement, with all due respect to the fraternal people, but they have already been stiffened by their uncertainty, like prostitutes here and there, Ukraine has only indicated that it will continue to aspire to the EU, and why should Putin support them? What would make us fools again? and the world community and Ukraine itself? no thanks. prostitutes have already suffered near by, enough for all the dogs to help everyone, with Syria everything is clear Syria is with us, the people are grateful to us, the country wants to cooperate in all areas, they even have something to take, and Ukraine and the state do not dare to name the language. No need to help them until they themselves want it and promise friendship for centuries. And it will come if the missile defense base is deployed in the EU, measures will have to be taken to instantly destroy it if something happens.
  • infinite silence ...
    infinite silence ... 31 January 2014 19: 05
    0
    The protracted situation is already annoying everyone ... and that this is a threat to financial stability (if you can call it that) and the weakening of the national currency. The guys needed a team ... And only the cowardice of the authorities, looking to the West, allowed this scum to roam already throughout the territory. And they really could stop it in a couple of days.
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  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 29 January 2014 10: 00
    +14
    In the midst of events, hundreds of Crimean Tatars went to the capital of Ukraine to provide “military assistance” to the protection of the Euromaidan. Organized groups of 15-20 people young Crimean Tatar Islamists advanced to Kiev. Many "European integrators" have undergone special training in mountain training camps in Western Ukraine.

    The backbone of the Crimeans who arrived at Euromaidan are hardened militants who urgently returned from Syria, where "co-religionists" continue to fight against the regime of Bashar al-Assad. Their latest action - 10 doctors who were stabbed to death in the Christian city of Deir-Atyya near Damascus for refusing to cooperate with gangs "- says the Internet project" Free Press ".

    "We got home through Turkey. Now combat experience will come in handy in the so-called" security service "- the protection of mass opposition events on the streets of the Ukrainian capital. Information about the Syrian" veterans "first came from the council of atamans of the Crimean Cossacks.
    Reports osinform.ru
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 29 January 2014 11: 25
      +10
      Today, the main enemy of the Russian Civilization is the Western moronic-consuming Civilization. The massive infection with Russophobia was facilitated by the dependence of the Ukrainian elites on the West. The turning point in this ideological war was not 2004, when the Orange Revolution took place. It all started much earlier. And the main ideological blow was directed at the younger generation. Many simply could not understand why - after all, they lived amicably, not being very interested in their national origin, and suddenly ... Calls to join NATO, threats to expel the Russian Navy from Sevastopol, accusations of Russia in the "Holodomor", "gas" war, dismissal of thousands of officials on a political basis, the expulsion of honest teachers, the massive closure of Russian schools, the feverish rewriting of history textbooks, the glorification of the OUN-UPA fighters, etc., etc. This was anti-Russian hysteria based on historical lies and falsifications. The Soviet period and modern Russia were presented only in a negative aspect. The younger generation of Ukrainians grew up on a primitive and outrageous Russophobia. When they are asked, here is the Holodomor, okay, but tell me, what prevented Moscow from killing all Ukrainians at 33, 34, 35, etc., all that would be at the root. There is nothing to answer. Everything is so stuffed with lies and spite. It is a pity for such youth.
      1. papik09
        papik09 30 January 2014 04: 50
        0
        Yes .... The lost generation ...
    2. es.d
      es.d 29 January 2014 18: 18
      +3
      Quote: vezunchik
      The backbone of the Crimeans who arrived at Euromaidan are hardened militants who urgently returned from Syria, where "co-religionists" continue to fight against the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

      From the same opera ...
      Quote: Rods
      ... News lines are already full of Russian special forces dressed as Golden Eagle, they write that the weapons and ammunition used by the Golden Eagle from Russia ...

      Varum is all this?
      PS "Svoboda" was banned in Crimea. The Mejlis supported the "Euromaidan". This is Crimea. And there were always enough people with a disturbed perception of the world. I have read it for a long time, and I don’t remember where (count it I lied) ... among the Slavs for 1000 newborns - one genius, one - dEbil; the Anglo-Saxons have one person per 1000.
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 29 January 2014 10: 51
    +8
    In parting, I respectfully shake hands with a man whom many of my acquaintances are ready to lynch. World has gone mad!


    and I would respectfully shake my hand. and this is not the world gone crazybut good sum for the war wept. Yesterday I spoke with my mother (Crimea) on the phone, in complete confusion: "Vital, what will happen next", "What do you think?", "Is this war?" It is calm in Crimea, there are both, they live peacefully, but no one can even think of building some kind of barricades. But damn it, tell me what can make you go at each other, what or who can make you hate, a relative, a neighbor, a work colleague, and hit him with a stick. - "This is war"
  • avg
    avg 29 January 2014 10: 58
    +9
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    They all need to understand that a response can follow if something happens to our families.

    With each such interview, with each video, I hate Yanukovych more and more. Of the current politicians, there is probably no greater prostitute. And his family is appropriate.
    1. Prutkov
      Prutkov 29 January 2014 16: 20
      +1
      The main thing in Russia is to draw the right conclusions. All this Maidan would have been rolled into asphalt long ago. But Yanyk is afraid to give a command - "honestly stolen" millions in offshore are holding back.
    2. papik09
      papik09 30 January 2014 04: 54
      0
      Whatever words are spoken on a political stage, the very fact of a man's appearance on this stage proves that there is a "B" and an provocateur in front of us, because if a man wasn’t there, there was no fucking bad CLUTCH RINGS WITH MACHINES. ELEMENTARY WATSON. IF A GIRL SUCKS IN A PUBLIC HOUSE, ARMED WITH A DEDUCTIVE METHOD, THE MIND CONCLUSIONS THAT IN FROM US A PROSTITUTE.
      1. Slavon76
        Slavon76 30 January 2014 08: 33
        -1
        Or maybe before the wedding he trains wassat
  • denson06
    denson06 29 January 2014 11: 06
    +10
    Patience to you, Berkutovtsy. A true Slavic spirit, a healthy mind and a good upbringing in a person. These would be more people in Ukraine.
    "There is no justice, Colonel ...", unfortunately ...
    And the media is biased, they are in the hands of local oligarchs whose accounts and partners abroad ... And they don’t give a damn about their people ... they were paid for the result and outlined the prospect ...
    In fact, as someone correctly noted, there are far fewer bad people on earth than good people ... only they, for some reason, always have more money .. hi
  • just exp
    just exp 29 January 2014 12: 38
    +8
    Already now we need to create a base of orange militants, coordinators and sponsors, and then push down and down.
    1. alone
      alone 29 January 2014 19: 59
      +4
      what I read comments and don’t understand. What is being discussed here? Golden eagle, its actions or its GDP and its domestic and foreign policy? Can we talk about the topic?

      Berkutovets is certainly right. Law enforcement agencies must fulfill their duty and stand guard over the state. Presidents are elected people, but the state and the law do not change!
      We wanted the law enforcement agencies to catch all the provocateurs who operate on both sides.
      And the victims will soon recover and return to their families.
      1. optimist
        optimist 29 January 2014 20: 30
        -3
        Quote: lonely
        I read comments and don’t understand. What is being discussed here? Golden eagle, its actions or its GDP and its domestic and foreign policy? Can we talk about the topic?

        Rightly so. But if it were not for the stupid and indistinct policy of the Russian authorities all previous years, we would not have to talk about this sad topic today. And talk about GDP, just in the subject. (By the way: putinoids have some kind of "winter aggravation" today. laughing Threw "minuses", foaming at the mouth, proving that Vova is doing everything right. If he did everything correctly, there would not be such a mess in Ukraine.) What do we have today in the "bottom line"? "Crap" in full Yaneca and a fraternal country, sliding into civil war? (God forbid!!!). And the prospect of signing a preconditioned "association with the EU" ...
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    1. Asgard
      Asgard 29 January 2014 09: 07
      +37
      FOR REFERENCE....
      All of today's power is like that. (In all countries of the post-Soviet space))) UKRAINE is a springboard for studying the behavior of the Slavs, there are no scenarios for the Arab spring)))
      So do not flatter yourself, the PURPOSE is to play off the SLAVS, the "thieves" government holding the "Chanson of the Year" contests in the Kremlin))))
      "Urki" are everywhere in the media, on TV, in ministries and departments, they are headed by the security forces .... and the riot policemen are "golden eagles", parts of the explosives are consumables for them, which will be promised an "apartment"))))))

      And I, as a unit commander, would never have brought the situation to the beating of my PEOPLE ...
      So would every COMMANDER (but not a politician))
      Power is the ENEMY of the people (when everyone understands ???)
      THEY NEED BLOOD, the ghouls did not get drunk (but nothing to choke on)))
      SOON.
      1. acute
        acute 29 January 2014 11: 23
        +2
        People hiding the scale of the state and the people living in it, they hid in prisons (Kvachkov and company)
      2. optimist
        optimist 29 January 2014 15: 46
        -1
        Quote: Asgard
        All of today's power is like that. (In all countries of the post-Soviet space)))

        Russia's main trouble is that the overwhelming majority of its population does not understand this. And our "Siberian Siberian" is no better than the Ukrainian "Yaneka", with the only difference that he is smarter, more cunning, stronger and he has a lot of dough. And in the situation with Ukraine, he behaved like an ordinary huckster-shopkeeper: "like I'll give the dough and they'll do everything beautifully for me !!!" Being in power for 14 years, instead of pursuing a well-thought-out policy, it all boiled down to handouts and taking away "economic cookies" to the former Soviet republics. And our "sworn friends" from the West, without financial "injections", managed to tame all these "pseudo-elites" by gracious permission to hide the stolen money. The current situation in Ukraine shows that the Yanek will definitely be "merged" and the country will be dragged to the West. Then I'll see what the ardent putinoids will "sing" ...
        1. klim44
          klim44 29 January 2014 17: 47
          -1
          I almost disagree with you. This is not Putin very smart and cunning, but the population of the Russian Federation is indifferent. The Duma is constantly adopting prohibitive laws, prices and utilities are rising, but no one will protest, we’ll discuss everything in the kitchen at home. In Ukraine, the population is a little different from that in the Russian Federation; it can defend its rights. And 15 billion did not help.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 29 January 2014 18: 27
            +4
            Quote: klim44
            I almost disagree with you. This is not Putin very smart and cunning, but the population of the Russian Federation is indifferent. The Duma is constantly adopting prohibitive laws, prices and utilities are rising, but no one will protest, we’ll discuss everything in the kitchen at home

            I'll fix it a bit wassat
            Neither Russians nor Belarusians will climb into the barricades in connection with the increase in housing and communal services tariffs, as they are well aware that stability is the key to success.
          2. Michael_59
            Michael_59 30 January 2014 19: 29
            +1
            The population of course is sluggish. In the future, the EU will be even more sluggish, dumber, poorer, shorter - less and worse.
            But in Kiev - everything has just fallen away, there are no rights defended, but sucks rule.

            Only maidown can hope for prosperity in the European Union - all the support and calculation of an overseas clawed paw that clings to the heart of Ukraine is on it.
            Your gayropeyskoe "happiness" in its usual manner begins with govnozamesa - Maidan. Threats, injuries, murders. It will end, perhaps, with the prosperity of some thread of a red rose or a Welsh daffodil, on a heap of manure, mixed with ash - what will remain from small Ukraine ...
        2. nbw
          nbw 29 January 2014 22: 40
          0
          The current situation in Ukraine shows that the Yanec will definitely be "merged" and the country will be dragged to the West. Then I'll see what the ardent putinoids will "sing" ...
          I counted you.
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    2. predator.3
      predator.3 29 January 2014 09: 09
      +15
      Quote: invisible
      The authorities of Ukraine! You bastards! You betrayed simple service people, citizens of the country!


      And ours, the Russian government is no better than the Ukrainian, except for a couple of normal ministers, the rest are one thief and a dubya!
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 29 January 2014 09: 22
        +2
        except for a couple of normal ministers,

        Who are they?
        1. invisibility
          invisibility 29 January 2014 09: 24
          +3
          By the way, announce the entire list, please.
        2. predator.3
          predator.3 29 January 2014 09: 49
          +4
          Quote: klimpopov
          Who are they?

          Well, for example, S. Shoigu, D. Kazak
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 29 January 2014 10: 20
            +3
            Well, yes ... I forgot about Shoigu ...))))
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          3. Lapotnik
            Lapotnik 29 January 2014 11: 00
            +8
            Say Shoigu ... On the site he is criticized in full, then he is a normal minister ...

            Personally, my "rose-colored glasses" were somehow in awe of him, and it would certainly not turn out to write him down as a sensible minister.

            And about the government-legitimately nothing can be changed. They won’t give. Russia will be a strong power - a fact, since, using the example of Libya and Gaddafi, Putin understood that if there is no power, then they will crush it (well, in principle, we can say with the whole history). And inside there will be the same liberals and oligarchs, well, maybe a little different (it all depends on who will share and not be greyhound in power).

            In principle, it is enough to look at the shuffling of the "deck of frames" - as in Krylov's fable, "and you friends, how can you not sit down ..."

            Just think - there will be elections. Who will dabble? Are they the new ones?

            I repeat once again - there will be no miracles in domestic politics and economy, Putin is a liberal, and success in foreign policy is connected only with the protection of his (oligarchic) ​​interests. It was really strange having such a potential to give the feeder to someone for fun. It’s interesting to housekeeping.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 29 January 2014 13: 44
              +1
              I said something like this before. Some owners of Lexus replace others ...
              SchA will tell you about Shoigu ..))))))
              1. IOwTZ
                IOwTZ 29 January 2014 14: 47
                0
                On Toyota? I am surprised!
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 29 January 2014 14: 55
                  0
                  Well, figuratively. Substitute another prestigious brand ...
                  1. IOwTZ
                    IOwTZ 29 January 2014 15: 05
                    0
                    mentally introduced the members of the pzhiv on a "prestigious" Toyota (in your case, Lexus)
            2. acute
              acute 29 January 2014 16: 04
              0
              Try to sit in the same coop with hens for twenty years. You crow even if you were human
          4. acute
            acute 29 January 2014 14: 47
            -1
            You sometimes calculate. what to write. Among the piles of d ... ma suddenly fresh. Take off your pink glasses
        3. Deniska
          Deniska 29 January 2014 15: 18
          0
          1st - Shoigu
          2nd - Lavrov
          3rd ... and that’s all.

          Shoigu at least in the Ministry of Emergencies kept order. Lavrov is a VERY tactful diploma.
          1. acute
            acute 29 January 2014 16: 13
            0
            What an order. People were stunned by doing nothing and getting money. We worked at the facility of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, I did not have enough workers to complete the facility on time. It was necessary to load the earth into a wheelbarrow, carry 50 meters and empty it. Ask for help from the Ministry of Emergencies for money (1000 rubles per person for 4 hours of work). They sent both me and their boss. Why work if he gets 10 rubles for 40000 days of duty (not hard work). He set up work there. Have spawned loafers. Do they go every day on emergency situations ?. No, they sleep and are "on duty"
            1. Marconi41
              Marconi41 30 January 2014 10: 57
              0
              Correctly done what they sent! You took up the object of the Ministry of Emergencies, so why should rescuers help you ?! Everyone must do their job. And they’re used to it like in the USSR: on students' potatoes, military beets, etc. Because of people like you, we were the first Chechen soldiers who only knew how to paint fences! Minus to you!
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              2. Lapotnik
                Lapotnik 30 January 2014 11: 51
                +2
                Trendy logic. He didn’t ask for free - for money. Well, he hired a campaign as a result of other workers - then what? And the Ministry of Emergencies refused.
                And about potatoes it is better not to be better - a bunch of loafers were introduced to work. And they themselves ate this potato. Now they are sitting in heaps of parasites, they can’t think of idleness in order to create such a thing. And horseradish will go to vegetable stores even for money - not creatively.

                They mixed everything in a heap, turned upside down and were satisfied.

                PS And the request of the soldiers is you all the more in vain. Well, they’re completely superfluous in this topic.
          2. papik09
            papik09 30 January 2014 05: 17
            0
            Denis, but I don’t understand, why are you being minus? For writing the truth? drinks Do not be discouraged - the family has its black sheep laughing
      2. 31231
        31231 29 January 2014 14: 50
        +4
        And ours, the Russian government is no better than the Ukrainian, except for a couple of normal ministers, the rest are one thief and a dubya!


        Well, go to Red Square. Have a smile. Natsik and liberals will stick to you.
        And Americans will rub their hands.
        1. papik09
          papik09 30 January 2014 05: 19
          -2
          "Well, you will go out to Red Square. Pomitengue. The Nazis and liberalists will stick to you."
          I would like to see this "exit". How he then and what side "come out". fool
    3. Egoza
      29 January 2014 09: 13
      +9
      Quote: invisible
      Do you want power? What is your program? What would you like?

      How what? "Go ahead! Have Europe!" Well, even now, the Maidan must be dissolved without consequences for itself. Only now will it work?
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      2. Hudo
        Hudo 29 January 2014 09: 20
        +8
        Quote: Egoza
        Do you want power? What is your program? What would you like?


        Ukrainian nationalists seized a passenger bus with Polish citizens, forcing the Poles to shout “Glory to Ukraine - glory to the heroes!”

        http://trimava.at.ua/publ/38-1-0-2595
        1. Sid.74
          Sid.74 29 January 2014 09: 23
          +9
          Here too news from an ear of Moscow!
          In Lviv, opposition supporters did not share the seized building of the regional administration
          Deputies from the nationalist party "Freedom" tried to take him under control. Activists who stormed the administration did not agree with this. According to Interfax, there were clashes. Meanwhile, the night before it was reported that the protesters were ready to leave the building of the regional administration. About two thousand people seized it last Thursday. Then they forced the governor Oleg Salo to write a letter of resignation. Later, the head of the region stated that the document was invalid because it was written under threat of physical violence.
          1. muhomor
            muhomor 29 January 2014 10: 23
            +3
            And the nerves are rather weak among the administration! wink
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 29 January 2014 10: 05
          +7
          everything in history repeats itself. remember 1918 when venality glad led to the German occupation of Ukraine
          1. officer29
            officer29 30 January 2014 18: 45
            -1
            Yes, not the venality of the Rada led to the occupation of Ukraine. And the Brest Treaty, according to which the Germans without resistance took all of Ukraine and part of the south of Russia, including Rostov-on-Don! belay Learn the history of the USSR, at least from the textbooks of the 70s! negative
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        4. samoletil18
          samoletil18 29 January 2014 10: 10
          +10
          Quote: Hudo
          Ukrainian nationalists seized a passenger bus with Polish citizens, forcing the Poles to shout “Glory to Ukraine - glory to the heroes!”

          This is the call of the ancestors - Banederaites, would be killed. Now it’s too early, but it will be possible, and in Poland it will become clear: again, they didn’t bet on those.
        5. olviko
          olviko 29 January 2014 11: 35
          +10
          "Ukrainian nationalists hijacked a passenger bus with Polish citizens, forcing Poles to shout" Glory to Ukraine - glory to heroes! "

          Damn, it's a pity there was no Kachinsky on the bus with Kwasniewski and the European Commissioners in full force. That would be a circus!
          1. papik09
            papik09 30 January 2014 05: 22
            0
            Now the Poles, I think, will sniff into two holes. So they need it. Perhaps they forgot what the OUN-UPA did on their territory? So they quickly recalled.
            1. acute
              acute 31 January 2014 11: 03
              +1
              Nobody needs it, don’t gloat.
      3. 31231
        31231 29 January 2014 14: 55
        +1
        Well, now Maidan dissolve without consequences for themselves.

        Elena, so it seems that they left Grushevsky and the occupied buildings ?!
        It is a pity, of course, if the strong-willed politician Yanyk would make you restore and clean the results of their rebellion.
  • Azzi
    Azzi 29 January 2014 08: 50
    +23
    The right words, a normal correspondent, gives information, not propaganda. Yesterday I read a similar material on the tape (http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/01/28/meninuniform/), re-posted.

    On the topic, men - well done, Yanukovych - a disgrace.
    1. muhomor
      muhomor 29 January 2014 10: 27
      +8
      But the president is giving up. I am ready to fulfill almost all requirements. On the part of the opposition, no reciprocal steps. Yanukovych has only to release Yulia, disband Berkut and hang himself
  • Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 29 January 2014 08: 51
    +19
    World has gone mad!

    Go crazy single-handedly, not en masse! And if this still happened, then it is necessary to identify these frostbitten where it should!
    To the man from "Berkut", as they say, respect and respect, and most importantly, more health.
  • Sid.74
    Sid.74 29 January 2014 08: 59
    +19
    - I will defend the family with all legal means ... Do you think that there are no Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok or German Klitschko addresses on the Internet? They all need to understand that a response can follow if something happens to our families.

    What insult is taking me, no words, the men fell under the distribution because of the ambitions of crooked politicians who, at the first opportunity, if it gets hot, will pack their bags to the EU or Canada. And so the slow-witted "European" do not think that one day, before the threshold a crooked politician may turn out to be a Berkut member with a desire to simply take revenge!
  • makarov
    makarov 29 January 2014 08: 59
    +6
    I don’t want to discuss the truthfulness of what was said, because as I said earlier, everyone has their own truth. But I can say one thing, Yanek Berkut has already leaked. The Prosecutor General’s Office instituted a mass of criminal cases against the Berkut soldiers, and amnesty was announced yesterday to opposition fighters. Yesterday there was infa about the arrest of 2 Griffon and 2 Berkut residents who attacked a businessman with a firearm (like a traumatic) and took 1 lemon of money.
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 29 January 2014 09: 34
      +21
      Quote: makarov
      I don’t want to discuss the truthfulness of what was said, because as I said earlier, everyone has their own truth.

      Hello, Pavel, everyone is right, everyone has their own truth, but during yesterday’s conversation with a comrade from the Dnieper, I almost fell off a chair, a man who cursed and cursed the Maidan exactly a month ago, his leaders, especially Tyagnibok, now proved the opposite with foam at the mouth It turns out now it’s not Bandera but almost heroes. (And this is not a teenager, but an adult held man). I had to recall our childhood to him, and his grandfather, who told us several times about the Second World War, and the Nazis, the horror of what the INFORMATION PROAGAND does to people, especially Ukrainian TV. Something like a brain set back, I don’t know for how long. For the first time, I came across the action of political technology from the EU, and became convinced of its strength. At this pace, and the exploits of our grandfathers in the Second World War will be called into question.
      1. Gespents
        Gespents 29 January 2014 12: 01
        +5
        That is yes. Here we have 24/7 all the media working on the Maidan. And then to say how exactly there is no government media. All available are financed by oligarchic structures.
        1. 31231
          31231 29 January 2014 15: 22
          0
          I don’t know, the regional channels of Donbass and Crimea are very well done.
      2. RBLip
        RBLip 29 January 2014 12: 53
        +2
        Quote: Sirocco
        At this pace, and the exploits of our grandfathers in the Second World War will be called into question.

        already. read an article about liberals.
      3. officer29
        officer29 30 January 2014 19: 13
        0
        And I have a diametrically opposite case! My former sergeant, who lives in the Lviv region, at the beginning of the Maidan proved the correctness of the European choice by Ukraine, now he is already with great distrust of his countrymen and their actions in Kiev and at home in the Lviv region! And this is not only his personal opinion, but also the majority of his countrymen! Tired! - says. I want certainty and stability!
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 29 January 2014 09: 37
      +5
      It is sad. This is stupid.
      Yanek betrayed the guard, who will protect him now? Klitschko?
      Stupid, stupid, stupid.
      1. Slavon76
        Slavon76 30 January 2014 08: 47
        +1
        Why is it stupid? Now, if he had not betrayed, then to all his accumulations in the west would be kirdyk. And so ...
    3. vezunchik
      vezunchik 29 January 2014 10: 08
      +6
      the people do not understand that if Bandera come to power, how much blood will be shed ...
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    5. 31231
      31231 29 January 2014 15: 19
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      Yesterday there was infa about the arrest of 2 Griffon and 2 Berkut residents who attacked a businessman with a firearm (like a traumatic) and took 1 lemon of money.

      I look, I’m Makarov at you, it’s kind of adequate at times, and you take the word for the balobol reporters.
      Have you seen those criminal cases? Ile at the next analyst of Blow this read?
      So much stream of false information you are pouring, it’s ridiculous to me that people believe her.
      1. makarov
        makarov 29 January 2014 16: 54
        +1
        The attack on the businessman was still two or two and a half weeks ago. The cameras were all fixed, the patient was dragged in serious condition for surgery. He survived and told everyone who and what.
        And in the end, you should not discuss me, because the material is not about me. And you don’t need to say anything on my behalf, I am able to do it myself, and you, at. 31231 - Sergey, if in fairness, you can answer only for yourself personally, but not for anyone ..
      2. Slavon76
        Slavon76 30 January 2014 08: 53
        0
        And what surprises you sobsssv? What initiated criminal proceedings on employees? Duc Yanek is ready to merge anyone. Now, if the amnesty had not been announced - that would have been a real miracle. And so ....
  • Curculum
    Curculum 29 January 2014 08: 59
    +28
    For some reason, television did not bother to show how, on November 30, glass cans of peas were thrown into our guys in the face, beaten with sticks and bats. No one showed that the skirmish did not begin through the fault of the Golden Eagle, but when a threat to people arose. "Golden eagle" then used force only to provocateurs. However, nobody cares. I don’t give a damn about the fact that one of ours was torn up on the liver of Grushevsky, another shot from the pneumatic eye! He became disabled!

    On this site, some characters like "VovkaLevka" are trying to tell that they were the first to start "Berkut", like "child pobyly" and other heresy - do not lie and do not dodge, your smell has already smelled all this earth! Prokhanov, expressing his impression after visiting Kiev, said that the Maidan is saturated with blood - all this garbage, it is saturated with shit like those who personify it.
    And to the interviewed Hero - honor, respect and health!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 29 January 2014 09: 38
      +4
      As well as respect for the Journalist.
    2. Slavon76
      Slavon76 30 January 2014 08: 56
      0
      Quote: Kurkul
      Prokhanov, expressing his impression after visiting Kiev, said that the Maidan is saturated with blood - all this garbage, it is saturated with shit

      True, Zhirik used the word "..." laughing
      In general, another word ...
  • askort154
    askort154 29 January 2014 09: 00
    +6
    Panas fight - at lackeys forelocks crack.
  • major071
    major071 29 January 2014 09: 02
    +22
    Against the background of general landlordism of both politicians and scum from the Maidan, the Berkutovtsy are the last adequate people. You have been betrayed, spit in the face, hit in the back, and you are standing. Health to you, hold on guys!
  • alexng
    alexng 29 January 2014 09: 04
    +17
    It’s time for Yanukovych to change into a woman’s skirt - this is not a president, but a rag. Is there really no sensible and normal men in Ukraine to rule the country?
    1. makarov
      makarov 29 January 2014 09: 22
      +3
      Well, I suggested, choose me soldier repeat
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 29 January 2014 09: 59
        +6
        Quote: makarov
        Well, I suggested, choose me

        The program of your actions as president in the studio.
        1. makarov
          makarov 29 January 2014 13: 22
          +1
          Yes, please !!! She is the MOST HONEST laughing

          http://www.scandalim.ru/page/egor-lupan-kandidat-v-prezidenty-ukrainy-video
          1. Ustas
            Ustas 30 January 2014 07: 22
            +1
            Quote: makarov
            Yes, please !!! She is the MOST HONEST

            It is understandable, you have current clowns can be presidents.
            1. makarov
              makarov 30 January 2014 11: 02
              +1
              It is understandable, you have current clowns can be presidents.

              Yes, perhaps a clown is better than a thief in a cube !!!
              1. officer29
                officer29 30 January 2014 19: 20
                0
                And even better a dictator than a "blue"! good drinks
    2. Conepatus
      Conepatus 29 January 2014 10: 28
      +5
      Quote: alexneg
      It’s time for Yanukovych to change into a woman’s skirt - this is not a president, but a rag. Is there really no sensible and normal men in Ukraine to rule the country?

      There was one sensible. The Minister of Transport, Kirpa Giorgi Nikolaevich. They only killed him.
    3. Slavon76
      Slavon76 30 January 2014 09: 00
      0
      Quote: alexneg
      Yanukovych time to change clothes in a female skirt

      As for changing clothes - this is to Kerensky. wink
  • Dimkapvo
    Dimkapvo 29 January 2014 09: 05
    +12
    Golden eagle - respect and honor. And Putin had to invest 15 billion in organizing such holidays in America, so that every fat ass on it could feel the charm of democratic values!
    1. 31231
      31231 29 January 2014 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: DimkaPVO
      And Putin had to invest 15 billion in organizing such holidays in America, so that every fat ass on it could feel the charm of democratic values!


      And what do these overseas parasites need more than Ukrainians?
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 January 2014 09: 06
    +14
    Quote: Sibiryak
    On the topic, men - well done, Yanukovych - a disgrace.


    That's right. He surrendered his special forces, passed Azarov, and, in fact, has already fallen in love with Ukraine.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 29 January 2014 09: 07
    +11
    Yanukovych betrayed his people in the last election, and he has now.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 29 January 2014 09: 09
    +9
    from the Don.
    Unfortunately, people who honestly carry out their duty are never needed by anyone, they are driven into the shadows. Dark power comes out into the light! And most importantly, money. Everything! Yanuk, in order to save stolen money, is ready to hand over the country to banderlogs! And there, it’s not far from the war. Much depends on the Southeast. Or they will continue to suffer bullying, or sweep away this trash. In my opinion, Ukraine as a state did not take place. The antagonism of the East and the West is evident!
    1. Egoza
      29 January 2014 09: 19
      +31
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      In my opinion, Ukraine, as a state did not take place. The antagonism of the East and West is evident!

      Leaflets are distributed in Crimea -
      "ATTENTION to the residents of Crimea, the cities of Kerch and Feodosia! There is evidence that a large number of militants arrived from Ukraine (they are also activists of the Maidan)
      to capture administrative institutions. Sevastopol and Simferopol they
      they couldn’t take it, they decided to take it by surprise. Get ready to protect
      your city, call friends and acquaintances, join groups and
      keep order in your cities. According to reports, due
      weather conditions (severe ice) their cars can’t overcome
      pass. Native Earth is already fighting vile invaders, we prove that
      we deserve it, like our ancestors, valiantly defending the eastern Crimea
      during the Kerch-Feodosia landing operation! "
      http://evk-skell.ucoz.ru/forum/30-307-51
      XXXX
      Pay attention - "... came from Ukraine ..." That's right! We will make Little Russia and we will take the Heroes-Berkutovs for ourselves!
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 29 January 2014 10: 28
        +16
        Quote: Egoza
        Pay attention - "... came from Ukraine ..." That's right! We will make Little Russia and we will take the Heroes-Berkutovs for ourselves!

        Helen, hi !
        Dobkin also lights:
        1. 31231
          31231 29 January 2014 15: 31
          +3
          Dobkin also lights:


          Well then, it's time to nominate him for president. He has a will against the brown plague.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 29 January 2014 15: 34
            +4
            Quote: 31231
            Dobkin also lights:

            Well then, it's time to nominate him for president. He has a will against the brown plague.

            Do not hurry...
            Maybe there’s no need for elections - will become the president of the republic of Crimea according to the Russian protectorate ...
        2. skifd
          skifd 29 January 2014 19: 41
          +1
          Quote: Kurkul
          Helena, !
          Dobkin also lights:


          Who SHOWED that the east is asleep ??? !!!
  • parazit
    parazit 29 January 2014 09: 11
    +5
    Hang on Guys!
  • Hudo
    Hudo 29 January 2014 09: 12
    +4
    In Lviv, deputies from VO "Svoboda" tried to storm the building of the Regional State Administration, which had been seized by the "Euromaidan" militants the day before ...
    http://ukrpravda.ua/news/boeviki-svobody-shturmuyut-lvovskuyu-oga-uzhe-zahvachen
    nuyu-evromaydanom-dopolneno
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 29 January 2014 10: 08
      +9
      That's right, let each other better kherachat!
  • ole_ga
    ole_ga 29 January 2014 09: 16
    +2
    Well done guys, one word.
  • REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 29 January 2014 09: 18
    +11
    Why did Yatsenyuk and Klitschko not go to the ordinary elections when Yanukovych defeated? All just for politics they were an empty place. Now they earn a rating by plunging Ukraine into darkness. Shame on such politicians. After all that they have done with Ukraine, conscience is enough to call themselves patriots and strives for European integration. Who needs such a country? And Berkutovtsy well done. They defend a legitimate government that doesn't give a damn about them. But the guys have the honor of an officer. Scary for their family. Shame on the politicians of Ukraine that they cannot protect the families of children who are ready to die for them.
    1. vkrav
      vkrav 29 January 2014 12: 17
      +2
      Quote: REDBLUE
      Why did Yatsenyuk and Klitschko not go to the ordinary elections when Yanukovych defeated? All just for politics they were an empty place.

      An empty place is a clean place. Now there is a lot of shit at this place. For two months we have been witnessing suicide in a particularly perverted form of independent "Ukrainian politics" controlled from where the grandmothers zabashlyat.Exhibition of political corpses.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 29 January 2014 09: 19
    +14
    Golden eagle is the 2014 Riga OMON. Hang on guys!
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 29 January 2014 09: 24
      +14
      Golden eagle is the 2014 Riga OMON.
      So it reminded me. As well as our police in 1993. She stood and Golden Eagle stands.
      Do you think that on the Internet there are no addresses of Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok, the German address of Klitschko? They all need to understand that a response can follow if something happens to our families.
      But this they certainly must be aware of.
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  • pluginigor
    pluginigor 29 January 2014 09: 22
    +5
    The Maidan is a revolution, and against the power which the people have chosen. What should be done with revolutionaries who oppose the will of the people? There is no person who would say DISCOVER!
  • Stinger
    Stinger 29 January 2014 09: 23
    +6
    A sober, adequate person. It is respectful. Unfortunately, the cowardly and thieving power of such people always betrays. And not only in Ukraine.
  • Const
    Const 29 January 2014 09: 24
    +9
    For some reason, it seems that he is Russian. Under oath. They were always proud of such.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 29 January 2014 09: 48
      +4
      Quote: Const
      For some reason, it seems that he is Russian. Under oath. They were always proud of such.

      It is what it is.
      On the same topic: I don't know, a bike or how, but it is easy to read: "An American soldier told why Russians are so afraid in the USA" - http://ribalych.ru/2013/12/22/amerikanskij-soldat-rasskazal/
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 29 January 2014 13: 02
        +2
        Quote: Kurkul
        An American soldier told why Russians are so afraid in the USA "- http://ribalych.ru/2013/12/22/amerikanskij-soldat-rasskazal/

        It looks like agitation, but still cool laughing
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 29 January 2014 14: 47
      +5
      Quote: Const
      For some reason, it seems that he is Russian. Under oath. They were always proud of such.

      The people, when will you already enlighten !!!
      There is no nation such a Ukrainian.
      There is a Ukrainian, there is a Siberian, but they are all Russian.
      Ukrainian, this is a territorial term, not a national one.
      For 70 years, Jewish Bolsheviks drove this box into our heads, wake up !!!!
      ps Zapukry, another people agree. Let them roll on all 4 sides.
  • Woolfy
    Woolfy 29 January 2014 09: 31
    +12
    Himself with riot police .... I look in the telly and my eyes refuse to believe. Yanukovych change your mind, give an order !!!!!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      Roman Skomorokhov 29 January 2014 09: 41
      +4
      Yes, there will be no order. Ian just chickened. His motto is to merge all who are possible in order to swim himself.

      Apparently, he wants to go down in history as the second Gorbachev - the president without a country, army, power structures. But with an armchair, an office and a salary.
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 29 January 2014 09: 38
    +13
    How our liberals envy everything that is happening in Ukraine. Were their will, the same would be done with us.
    I hope all-fingered think about where the road of their moaning leads.
    I am not against criticism, I am against frenzied lies and streams of dirt, which again pass as criticism.
    1. Orik
      Orik 29 January 2014 12: 06
      +3
      About dialogue with the authorities. A bit rude ..

      “Twice a week, on Tuesdays and Fridays, I and all my friends and acquaintances get fucked in the ass with a mop handle. We don't like it and we are protesting against a mop in the ass.

      Power: "We are ready for a constructive dialogue. Offer an alternative to Tuesday or Friday, we will consider all your options."

      We say that let's cancel the mop altogether.

      Power: "The opposition does not bear a constructive beginning. They are only against, but do not offer any" for ", we only hear what needs to be destroyed, and we do not hear any suggestions - what should be inserted into the anus instead of the mop handle."

      We still don't settle for a mop in the ass.

      Authority: "We hear your displeasure. The mop will be thoroughly polished. Tax breaks for petroleum jelly producers will be introduced."

      No, we say, no mop.

      Authority: "Removing the squeegee quickly can injure your rectum and cause bleeding. Do you want bloodshed?"

      No, we say, we want our ass to stop shoving the stalk from the mop.

      Power: "Don't rock the boat !!! You have come under the influence of the US State Department, who convinces you that you have a mop in your ass because they don't need a strong Russia."

      No, we say, we still feel our butt, and we feel the mop - and we see.

      Authority: "Your voices have been heard. Fundamental reforms will be made. Over the next five years, half of the population will see the mop only on Tuesdays, and the other half only on Fridays. The approach to the selection of the mop inserters will be changed. In three years, the mop will be introduced only half. "

      No, we say, no mop in our asses !!!!!

      Authority: "If you pull out the mop quickly, you will stagger and you may fall. Are you not afraid to lose your balance? If we pull out the mop, you may be shoved in your ass with something worse than a mop !!! ..."

      Well, not a big woman, but ??????
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 29 January 2014 14: 57
        +3
        You want to say that the maydauns on the Maidan, maidan against the mop?
        And it seems to me that these maydanutyh have their own mop, and even thicker.
  • DMB-78
    DMB-78 29 January 2014 09: 49
    +6
    It seems to me that during the unrest in power, it was necessary to temporarily suspend the activities of some media under any pretext. upload more videos on the Internet about how the opposition acts with a golden eagle. lost the information war, lost power. can now peer a place on the bunks
  • sinukvl
    sinukvl 29 January 2014 09: 56
    +9
    "Berkut" are those who remained faithful to the oath, and for whom the words Motherland and honor are not an empty phrase, unlike politicians. Thank you for such people as the "Berkut" fighters
  • delfinN
    delfinN 29 January 2014 10: 13
    +7
    The saddest thing is that everyone understands that you need to act tough. Only there is no one to take responsibility to give such an order. And half measures lead to even more blood. And the guys health and speedy recovery.
  • Net
    Net 29 January 2014 10: 16
    +6
    Yes, it was not for nothing that in the USSR all the media were controlled by the state. For representatives of the most corrupt profession, give them free rein through the zomboyaschik destroy entire states. However, there are state-owned TV channels in Ukraine, but their position is clearly neutral, inconsistent and overly cautious in assessments, which looks completely unconvincing against the background of the frenzied false propaganda of "foreign agents".
  • shark
    shark 29 January 2014 10: 21
    +5
    Golden eagle, when your rag prezik merge Ukraine evrohaulyayram-Ayda to us. Enough land, work no less than in Ukraine))))
  • yehat
    yehat 29 January 2014 10: 33
    +8
    The situation with Berkut is very reminiscent of how they betrayed young soldiers in Chechnya.
    They were simply compromised without a chance of an answer, without having come up with anything better.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 29 January 2014 10: 36
    +5
    Who wrote what about the "far-sighted" and "experienced gopnik" Yanukovych? The government passed. The siloviks were framed for the possibility of injury and death. The situation is only getting worse every day. And what about the introduction of an emergency? The oligarchs do not allow: according to the law, all accounts are transferred to the management of the Central Bank of Uzbekistan when a state of emergency is introduced? If he were a gopnik or a swindler, he would have thrown these grabbers, and after that he would have used their dependence on himself. And the petty thief sees small and does everything and everyone. And the siloviki should protect this small-criminal shushara, even if they are betrayed.
    Who ordered this situation is already clearly provoking a military coup. How much more patience will these real men have? Then Ukrainian Mubarak will be Yanukovych. Who claims the role of Mursi?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 29 January 2014 14: 56
      +4
      Quote: samoletil18
      Who claims the role of Mursi?

      Brussels (in the words of Merkel) Klyachu palms off, like that of ANOTHER president who will sign an association agreement with the EU.
      The Muslim Brotherhood could not stand it for a year, the Egyptian army "forgot" about its neutrality in Tahrir Square ...
      The Ukrainian Minister of Defense is either a ragul or a sore head if he repeats the actions of his Egyptian counterpart.
  • Anper
    Anper 29 January 2014 10: 37
    +8
    Only a personal opinion. Here, in western Ukraine, in Rivne, if you exclude any media, life goes the same as before the Maidan. Only 1 tent in the square and (to be precise) the administration lobby that was seized. Administration buildings were not captured local - they served as a backdrop, pretty lamb, by the way. The whole campaign was organized in half a day by visitors who were even poorly oriented. Yes, a lot of brainwashed, but this turns out to be a kind of plus - now the information from the TV has gone more objective (Right sector and so on), and they begin to speak not only against Profesor, but also against Maidan. They save their faces to the rabbit and Boxer (they say nothing to do with it), and the extremists are uncontrollable monsters who are brought to the legal field. only games, as well as the abolition of laws. It’s not yet evening — Putin just won’t give money. And Fule and Ashton can at least settle in Kiev, only bargain for their dupes.
  • misham
    misham 29 January 2014 10: 43
    +1
    Each has its own truth. The fighter repeats about the legitimate and legitimate authority!
    This bl ... th power got everyone. The country is getting worse and worse, and they keep repeating about "nasty". Power is inherently corrupt. But you can't steal so brazenly, especially by the president's family.
    I thought Kuchma we have a worthless president. It turned out to be the best.

    Yanek thinks he is cool, to show weakness for him is not patsansky. Protests could be stopped in time. showing flexibility and wisdom. The Maidan would have dispersed, leaving a bunch of marginals.
    The authorities did nothing to reduce the intensity of passions. The latest outbreak of violence is a consequence of the adoption of the so-called. "package of laws on dictatorship". Without discussion, without procedure, in one fell swoop with a show of hands.
    Radicals and provocateurs are everywhere, but they have behind them a hundred thousand Maidan, and in the future a million. And this Maidan does not care about three types of opposition leaders.
    The purpose of the protests is not the fabulous GEYROPE, not the separation from Russia (although the slogan "RUSSIA GUDBAY" is present). The people are tired of the need to reboot the system. Now things have moved, Janek began to see clearly and began to slowly retreat and the militants quieted down.
    As for "Berkut" and on the internet and on TV there are enough shots about the wounded golden eagles and wounded protesters. And how the golden eagle helps "gopnik-tutuski". There are also several videos about the atrocities of the Berkut people, shooting at journalists. These are all the excesses of the performers. It happens in war. But this is not a war, but civil protests. Fathers-commanders should stop this and watch the personnel. Fighters must be ready for provocations.
    Video about bullying Gavrilyuk, this is a separate topic. But it’s precisely this video that will stick to the unit forever ......... BERKUT-SS
    Golden Eagle is likely to be disbanded. The guys are sorry. They will merge. For many, the oath is not empty words.
    1. Anper
      Anper 29 January 2014 12: 20
      +4
      Quote: misham
      about the atrocities of the Berkutovites, shooting at journalists.

      What are such atrocities? This word, excuse me, from the Maidan dictionary. And the journalists are cheap - just hit me, there are injuries - shish, wipe yourself and take off, so no, they’ll run under the cameras. Or someone promises safety there, they warn that they don’t meddle. , eg. the cautious LGBT person V. Portnikov has long been fond of Ukraine on skype (her ass is her own, not Maidan’s, she must be protected), as is the first Avtomaydan leader, Koba.
  • Oleg Sobol
    Oleg Sobol 29 January 2014 10: 54
    +3
    Quote: Asgard
    UKRAINE_this is a springboard for studying the behavior of the Slavs, they do not roll out scripts for the Arab spring here yet)))


    I agree with your conclusion.
    Supplement: Explore Present behavior, since it has changed enough since the collapse of the USSR.
  • Criceta
    Criceta 29 January 2014 10: 54
    -13%
    The article is neither a plus nor a minus - no ... It just doesn’t leave the feeling that the wounded Berkutov’s verb is directly phrased by Kiselev and other pro-Putin media. Strange ... Maybe it just seems ... wink
    Like a piece of paper.
    1. Azzi
      Azzi 29 January 2014 13: 12
      +4
      But there is no suspicion that a person is simply telling the truth and precisely because it coincides with the opinion of other people?
      1. Criceta
        Criceta 29 January 2014 15: 33
        +1
        It is strange that the truth is obtained by all with the same phrases, with the same expressions, phrases. Some truth born of the collective mind of the multitude)))
        By the way, nothing more comical can be imagined as a fallen euromaidan fascist with wads of money sticking out of his pockets. This "truth" is generally reminiscent of cartoons from the Crocodile magazine during the struggle against the aggressive American military clique. winked
    2. Crimean
      Crimean 29 January 2014 15: 41
      +1
      The article is neither a plus nor a minus - no ... It just doesn’t leave the feeling that the wounded Berkutov’s verb is directly phrased by Kiselev and other pro-Putin media. Strange ... Maybe it just seems ...

      in what place of sensation? normal people think in a different place (head)
      and golden eagles respect and respect. Natsik will not pass!
  • Neophyte
    Neophyte 29 January 2014 10: 57
    +4
    It is interesting that if the police leave the Maidan or cease to expose their bodies under the stone-thrower of Bandera? There will be no power, the Maidan degenerates are not able to lead the country.
    Bandera, to our delight. What's next? The war of all against all? A terrible scenario! But everything goes to this!
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 29 January 2014 15: 03
      +2
      Quote: Neophyte
      What next? The war of all against all? A terrible scenario! But everything goes to this!

      I'm worried about my relatives there.
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 29 January 2014 10: 59
    +10
    On the one hand, they are "Berkuts" - worthy sons of their Motherland, the only ones who restrain all this Bandera scum



    and on the other hand these, descendants of Polish, German litter:


    HERA of Ukraine, the UPA's commander in chief Shlyukhevych and his comrades
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 29 January 2014 11: 07
    +1
    Quote: Ustas
    Quote: makarovu I also proposed, select meProgram of your actions as president in the studio.

    For starters, let Pavel answer what he would do now in place of Yanukovych hi
  • sichevik
    sichevik 29 January 2014 11: 12
    +8
    One gets such an impression. that the SBU in Ukraine or not at all, or the SBU is on the side of the fascists. Only "Berkut" stands in defense of the constitutional order in the country. And those were betrayed by the guarantor.
    Golden Eagles guys hold on! You are the true WARRIORS OF LIGHT !!!
    1. acute
      acute 29 January 2014 11: 28
      +4
      SBU on the side of money
  • demon184
    demon184 29 January 2014 11: 13
    +16
    Ukrainian guy married a Russian girl. before the wedding night, his father gives him instructions: First, take her in his arms and bring her to the bed. Show me how strong Ukraine is. Then take off your shirt - show how beautiful Ukraine is. and the grandfather’s voice is heard from the next room: And then start the draw .. show what independent ukrin.
    1. Slavon76
      Slavon76 30 January 2014 09: 32
      0
      good
      Boo-ha-ha-ha !!! I have not heard.
  • kind
    kind 29 January 2014 11: 22
    +8
    Spring will show who crap where. He will wash away all this scum of the Euromaidown soon. Another thing is interesting. How are these Maidan people going to live in Ukraine among the people whom they insult today and beat in the last fits of impotent rage. It would be better for them to leave as soon as possible, but where? No one needs a brainless one.
    Americans know that if Ukraine merges with Belarus and Russia, then they will suck a large leather candy with all states!
  • acute
    acute 29 January 2014 11: 25
    0
    Quote: predator.3
    Quote: invisible
    The authorities of Ukraine! You bastards! You betrayed simple service people, citizens of the country!


    And ours, the Russian government is no better than the Ukrainian, except for a couple of normal ministers, the rest are one thief and a dubya!

    Who do you mean this? What amazing people these are in the sea ...
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 29 January 2014 11: 38
    +4
    Quote: The same Lech
    They all need to understand that a response can follow if something happens to our families.

    Completely on the side of the Berkutian, I’ll do the same with any gangster who encroaches on my family, without regard to the LAW.

    These are zombies with brainwashed clean. They do NOT understand anything and are not able to understand.
  • polly
    polly 29 January 2014 11: 39
    +9
    This terrible Baroness Catherine Ashton from the Russia-EU summit has again rushed to the Maidan. So what can you talk about with these European ones?
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 29 January 2014 15: 00
      +3
      Quote: polly
      This terrible Baroness Catherine Ashton from the Russia-EU summit has again rushed to the Maidan. So what can you talk about with these European ones?

      The experience of I. Armand was contagious laughing
  • Hort
    Hort 29 January 2014 11: 43
    +5
    Interestingly, what would the Maidan people (and the same Yanek) do if the Berkutovites were tired - they put on everyone with a device and a full staff, so to speak, would they leave, say, to Sevastopol (or to the Crimea in general)? Well, purely hypothetical. “Svoboda” with “Right Sector” would start gushing?
  • Mviktor
    Mviktor 29 January 2014 11: 52
    +3
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Completely on the side of the Berkutian, I’ll do the same with any gangster who encroaches on my family, without regard to the LAW.


    I fully support for my family also bite any bastard
  • HAM
    HAM 29 January 2014 11: 54
    +3
    Jan 29
    Ukraine will seek evidence of human rights violations for the International Tribunal

    And they will find, and will be "judged", and will punish "humanitarian", and maybe ...
    1. v53993
      v53993 29 January 2014 12: 01
      +1
      To cleanse the seekers with the other Bender bastard - and I won’t search for what is not there.
  • Mviktor
    Mviktor 29 January 2014 11: 59
    +3
    Quote: alexneg
    It’s time for Yanukovych to change into a woman’s skirt - this is not a president, but a rag. Is there really no sensible and normal men in Ukraine to rule the country?


    Where did you see that petty urka was a man, probably he was made a woman in the zone
  • HAM
    HAM 29 January 2014 12: 06
    +3
    Throw names, addresses and photos of the "heroes" of the Maidan on the Internet will scatter themselves ..

    And the "Berkutovites" are real men!