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G2R RIP - New Expansive Ammunition

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G2R RIP - New Expansive Ammunition



G2 Research introduced a new 9-mm cartridge with a unique expansive bullet.

The small teeth of this bullet, which the manufacturer called trocars, cut clothing, glass, drywall and even sheet metal as a hole saw, allowing the bottom of the bullet to hit the target more confidently.

Also, as the developers claim, these trocars, creating a turbulent flow, help stabilize the bullet and make it more accurate.

Many shooters try to use the heaviest bullets allowed by the characteristics. weapons. But, unfortunately, high speed and weight are not the only bullet characteristics necessary for accurate and effective shooting.

According to some testers, there is no guarantee that the bullet will not open ahead of time and these trocars will not injure people in the vicinity of the shooter.



Suppliers say such cartridges will cost around 2 dollars apiece. Expensive, considering that most instructors recommend making 100-200 gun shots in order to ensure its reliability.

These cartridges have a very aggressive profile and it is important that they are perfectly sent to the weapon chamber.

The bullet is lead-free, solid, weighing in 96 gran, divided into 9 trihedral teeth (trocars).
The initial speed of the bullet - 386 m / s.
Muzzle Energy - 660 J.
In the near future, G2 Research Company intends to launch the production of .380 ACP, .357 SIG, .40, .45ACP cartridges, as well as gun cartridges equipped with such a bullet.

Originator:
http://zbroya.info/ru/blog/2480_g2r-rip-novyi-ekspansivnyi-boepripas/
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  1. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 29 January 2014 08: 13
    +2
    I think that the range of the bullet is not too big should be due to its shape.
    1. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 29 January 2014 09: 24
      +2
      The practical range for using a gun is 3-5m, I think this bullet is enough for this distance
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 29 January 2014 15: 43
        +2
        7-11 according to the police, but I don’t think it’s important, it’s close anyway.
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 29 January 2014 10: 42
      +12
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      I think that the range of the bullet is not too big should be due to its shape.


      I imagine that for bringing such a bullet to the market the entire design team that developed this product must be drowned in sartir. If a simple, conventional ammunition still leaves a chance for survival and relative health after being wounded, then after getting such a guarantee will result in death or disability.

      Purely my opinion - ... just moral urod.y.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 29 January 2014 11: 53
        -2
        Not, by the way, for the urban battles that are taking place now in Ukraine, judging by the description, they will suit just right - the rebels are warmly dressed, there are a lot of clothes ... wink
        1. makarov
          makarov 29 January 2014 14: 22
          +4
          SW Alexei!
          It happens, and it may happen that he suddenly suddenly becomes a rebel.
          PS
          By the way, the word "LYOKHA" is translated from Ukrainian into Russian as "pig".
      2. Ducksar
        Ducksar 29 January 2014 14: 48
        0
        and why be surprised, the Yankees enjoy the extermination of people ... all the more in all sorts of sophisticated ways! they are constantly testing new chemical preparations for the death penalty, they were awakened for the last time, a person died 15 minutes in agony ... sadists in a word
        1. LAO
          LAO 31 January 2014 23: 37
          -3
          Dear, have you made a mistake on the site? This is the site of the gunsmiths - specialists in means of destroying enemy manpower and equipment.
          You should go to the site of the pacifists or there about bunnies and rabbits ...
          I hate when the questions of technology and technology start to "suck" politicians - fucking political officers!
      3. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 29 January 2014 15: 54
        +6
        Quote: Geisenberg
        I imagine that for bringing such a bullet to the market the entire design team that developed this product must be drowned in sartir. If a simple, conventional ammunition still leaves a chance for survival and relative health after being wounded, then after getting such a guarantee will result in death or disability.

        Purely my opinion - ... just moral urod.y.

        Do not rush to conclusions. If the target is simply stopped, then there is no lethal weapon. Any military weapon is mainly used to destroy the enemy. And in this case, efficiency is important, not humanity. If you are a policeman and two or three dumbfounded drug addicts with knives or bats run out at you, then what ammunition will come in handy for you? Those that will shoot through the enemy through and he may die .but in a few minutes. Or those that are guaranteed to stop him or damage the limb to such a state that it physically will not be able to use it?
        1. Turik
          Turik 30 January 2014 09: 25
          +6
          If we are talking about destroying the enemy by any means, then let's use Zarin and Zaman to suppress urban unrest, and four-barreled anti-aircraft guns will come down to disperse.

          There are elementary moral norms to step over which is better not worth it, not because it is not ethical, but because they can soon step over you.

          In a simpler language - US soldiers through a stump-deck, but they are able to reason with terrorists in battle, ordinary bullets are enough for them. But for "warriors of Allah" of all stripes, such bullets are just a godsend. The armor may not be punctured, but the stubs will hit the face and / or lacerate limbs with a greater probability.
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    3. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 29 January 2014 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      I think that the range of the bullet is not too big should be due to its shape.

      And what range is needed for effective shooting? It is important that such ammunition really stops the attacker. That's what it is, and in the modifications, the Americans are really good.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 29 January 2014 20: 55
        +5
        Quote: Gluxar_
        It is important that such ammunition really stops the attacker.

        Just nonsense!
        Look what happens when hunting from an expansive bullet, do you think it will be easier for a person ???
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 29 January 2014 08: 14
    +2
    How about ricochets when shooting in the forest for example, or in a downpour?
  3. Civil
    Civil 29 January 2014 08: 14
    +10
    But what about the 2nd Hague Convention of 1907 and the 1979 International Conference of the United Nations? A ban is imposed on this.
    1. Yun Klob
      Yun Klob 29 January 2014 09: 08
      +3
      Such bullets are currently banned for use only in military weapons, at the same time, almost all hunting bullets are expansive
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 29 January 2014 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Yoon Clob
        Such bullets are currently banned for use only in military weapons, at the same time, almost all hunting bullets are expansive


        Hunting implies that the animal will be guaranteed to be killed, without prior torture and vivisection. This bullet guarantees the suffering of the victim after being hit.
      2. alex-cn
        alex-cn 29 January 2014 15: 44
        +2
        Unfortunately, the police are not prohibited
    2. S-200
      S-200 29 January 2014 09: 12
      +5
      Barbaric ammunition! negative
      I hope that the production of such a bullet will be banned ...
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 29 January 2014 10: 08
      +2
      The ban is imposed only on the use of expansive ammunition in the regular forces, for civil and service weapons there is no ban.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 29 January 2014 10: 47
        0
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        The ban is imposed only on the use of expansive ammunition in the regular forces, for civil and service weapons there is no ban.


        In a fun world we live. Do not find? That is, napalm can be used for war, but there is no expansive bullet. On the other hand, an expansive bullet can be shot at a policeman, civilian weapons, but the policeman will shoot at first in the air.
  4. makarov
    makarov 29 January 2014 08: 21
    +1
    lies, you’re screaming, provocation and photoshop !!! There are no characteristic traces of cutting on the image of a flying bullet.
    Such a bullet, when passing through the channel, rotates, and then powder gases will flow through its "holes" through the rifling fields, which will significantly reduce its initial velocity. All cavities and holes indicated in the pool significantly reduce its mass, and violate the external ballistics in the norms of the tendency to overturn. In one word FUFLO !!!
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    2. Baron Wrangell
      Baron Wrangell 29 January 2014 08: 28
      +5
      Quote: makarov

      makarov


      Today, 08: 21

      ↓ New


      lie, scoff, provocation and photoshop !!! On the image of a flying bullet there are no characteristic traces of cutting. Such a bullet, when passing through the channel, rotates, and then powder gases will flow through its "holes" through the rifling fields, which will significantly reduce its initial velocity. All cavities and holes indicated in the pool significantly reduce its mass, and violate the external ballistics in the norms of the tendency to overturn. In one word FUFLO !!!

      watch the video carefully, only the bottom slides along the bore!
      And the bullet itself is a banal doom-doom! only modernized!
      1. makarov
        makarov 29 January 2014 08: 44
        0
        so I say, the alleged installation show.
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 29 January 2014 12: 31
          0
          Quote: makarov
          so I say, the alleged installation show.

          The bullet is complete nonsense, it is problematic to shoot at 10 meters with the usual hollow point, especially if the recess is deeper than a half-gauge. This abode only to shoot, especially for masochists. There is no arguing against elementary ballistics.
      2. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 29 January 2014 10: 52
        +1
        Quote: Baron Wrangell
        And the bullet itself is a banal doom-doom! only modernized!


        I would say that the real doom-doom itself, the one that the British came up with in the Doom-Doom. Classic - a bullet with a divided tip.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 29 January 2014 10: 50
      0
      Quote: makarov
      In a word FUFLO !!!


      So in that same tsimmez that the bullet will be prone to capsize. This is exactly what is designed for.
  5. ReifA
    ReifA 29 January 2014 08: 21
    -3
    It looks ambiguous. Soon stabilizers will be attached to the pool, it will be like a rocket.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 29 January 2014 10: 53
      +1
      Quote: ReifA
      It looks ambiguous. Soon stabilizers will be attached to the pool, it will be like a rocket.


      ... and they will attach it to grandmother ... well, you know what, and will become a grandfather.
    2. makarov
      makarov 29 January 2014 17: 39
      0
      "Soon the bullet will be equipped with stabilizers, it will be like a rocket."

      such bullets have long been available, even controllable from memory, there are also bullets and jet
  6. domokl
    domokl 29 January 2014 08: 27
    +2
    As a revolver, for short distances, a bullet is good. An injury will almost always be difficult. Just what is it for? Police? Not sure what it is ... Civilian weapons? Who will allow the use ... Military? Automatic pistols with such a bullet like that poorly presented ...
    But all this is idle talk, speculation ... You need to hold it in your hands and shoot ... Then you can seriously talk ...
  7. Hellriker
    Hellriker 29 January 2014 08: 51
    +1
    This bullet was created against unarmored, nearby targets. Her task is to inflict maximum damage, and it seems to me that she copes with her task.
    1. military
      military 29 January 2014 10: 12
      0
      Quote: Hellriker
      This bullet was created against unarmored, nearby targets.

      well, yes ... something like that ... moreover, taking into account the convention prohibitions, it becomes obvious that it was created exclusively for peaceful use ... and precisely for "unarmored, close targets" ... like, for a herd of wild boars ... laughing
      1. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 14 February 2014 05: 49
        0
        Quote: military
        on "unarmored, close-range targets" ... like, a herd of wild boars ...

        wild boar, by the way, is very strong on the wound and if such a thing hits him ........ can be mortally offended by the shooter
  8. VADEL
    VADEL 29 January 2014 09: 16
    0
    Correctly shown in the first figure, shooting only in sterile conditions and only on condoms. laughing
    1. makarov
      makarov 29 January 2014 09: 20
      +1
      they demonstrated the military version of the conception process. laughing
  9. kelevra
    kelevra 29 January 2014 11: 07
    0
    In my opinion there are international laws and rules in terms of ammunition: they are forbidden-explosive and with a shifted center of gravity. And also, there should not be cartridges that carry everything in its path, because there is no chance of salvation. Americans who were shot in Iraq reporters with a 30 mm cannon from Apache, was judged not because they accidentally put the reporters (this was attributed to the war), but because they shot people with calibers that were designed to destroy lightly armored vehicles. So it’s not clear how such a cartridge can get approved by the UN!
  10. Diesel66
    Diesel66 29 January 2014 11: 19
    0
    Something it reminds me of. Bullet Shirinsky-Shikhmatov http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/329/1247350.html do not find any similarities?
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 29 January 2014 15: 49
      0
      And it’s not close to the original Shirinsky, only the similarities that both for short-range shooting.
  11. Leader
    Leader 29 January 2014 12: 25
    +1
    It's scary to live ... without a cop ...
    And the designer of this bullet needs to shoot this munition at the head.
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 29 January 2014 15: 59
      +1
      Quote: Leader
      It's scary to live ... without a cop ...
      And the designer of this bullet needs to shoot this munition at the head.

      Well what nonsense. Shooting people is generally bad. But if you shoot or there is such a need, then what is the difference what ammunition. Efficiency is important.
  12. Leader
    Leader 29 January 2014 12: 33
    +1
    Quote: kelevra
    they fired at people with calibers designed to destroy lightly armored vehicles. So it’s not clear how such a cartridge can pass UN approval!

    According to this logic, a person can only be shot from a slingshot.
    Who is the UN? Does he decide on the development and approves the production of all bullets?
    All your assumptions are wrong.
  13. Bosk
    Bosk 29 January 2014 13: 34
    +1
    Expansive bullets are a terrible weapon, because according to statistics they are guaranteed not to "knock down", they are guaranteed to cripple. Expansions inflict not deep but "wide" wounds and, say, when they hit the neck, head and back of the brain, they are guaranteed to "lay down" the target, but any other hit does not guarantee weak torment and extensive hemorrhage ... so at the expense of "humanity" I would not be in a hurry to draw conclusions, the only plus they have is the "one-shot" action, and the chance of a ricochet is reduced to almost zero.
    1. alex-cn
      alex-cn 29 January 2014 15: 58
      0
      Well, here you can argue, the designs of expansive bullets - the sea, among them there are quite deep penetrating ones, such as "H" for example. In hunting weapons, they are designed to shoot at almost any animal from a gopher to an elephant. for the latter, in my opinion, a silvertype, which breaks through the ivory skin, unfolding only on the bone.
      As regards this bullet, it seems to me that in a pistol it will often wedge and the wounds will mainly inflict superficial, but very extensive.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 29 January 2014 17: 08
        0
        I wonder how she wakes herself up when she meets, say, with a "overcoat", I wonder what wakes up "for an overcoat" or "for a sheepskin coat" effect? ​​Something tells me that premature disclosure is guaranteed ...
  14. alex-cn
    alex-cn 29 January 2014 17: 18
    +1
    get a shot charge - also not sugar
  15. aver
    aver 2 February 2014 18: 27
    0
    The work of pathologists will be added ...