The newest BTR-XNUMHA will be tested in the mountains of Abkhazia

On the mountain range of Tsabal in the Republic of Abkhazia, a field outbreak of motorized rifle units of the Russian military base of the Southern Military District began. More than 400 military personnel take part in the event, of which about 70% are the recruits of the autumn draft of the 2013 of the year, more than 50 units of weapons and military equipment are involved, the press service of the district reported.

For the first time, servicemen will appreciate the advantages of the newest armored personnel carriers BTR-82А, which recently entered service with the motorized rifle units of the Russian military base.

Particular attention will be paid to the improvement of combat shooting skills in the conditions of mountainous and wooded terrain from the armament of armored personnel carriers, grenade launchers, mortars and small arms weapons.

The servicemen will also work out the issues of equipping field camps, masking firing positions, and will be given tactical, reconnaissance, firing training.

Under the guidance of experienced instructors, young drivers will learn the characteristics of driving armored personnel carriers and army trucks on roads with different surfaces, including along mountain river beds, mountain serpentines, and also through sections of viscous soil. At least half of the classes will take place at night.

BTR-82A is a deep modernization of the BTR-80A and surpasses its predecessors in almost all indicators. To increase their firepower, a unified combat module with electric drives and a two-plane weapon stabilizer is installed on them. As a main weapon, twin 14,5-mm (KPVT) and 7,62-mm (PKTM) machine guns (on the BTR-82) or 30-mm automatic gun 2-72 (on the BTR-82А) can be installed in the combat module.

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[tilovaykrisa]

The test is a good thing especially in the mountains, it is the last 20 years that we have just the main problems in the mountainous and wooded area.

[Shurik]

and on the territory of an unrecognized state, now Georgia is furious ...

[Civil]

Mounted armor? Mine protection Which class?

[bask]

Quote: Civil

Mounted armor? Mine protection Which class?

ZERO: not a hitch of composite armor and DZ, there is no mine protection.
There is only a slogan:

The latest BTR-82A

But nothing new, except for the stabilized gun that distinguishes it from the BTR-80A, with the 30th gun. There are no other visible differences.
BTR-80A.

BTR82A

[bask]

Question No. 2, a stabilized 30-mm gun 2A72 was installed (on the BTR-82A).
For what? For self-defense, a 12,7mm machine gun or 40mm AK in the field is enough.
Especially on the BTR-80, there was a 14 mm KPVP, that's enough.
30 mm gun implies participation in assault operations, both in the mountains and in settlements. As was the case in Chechnya, 1,2.
For this, the BTR80 / 82 is categorically not intended. First of all, weak armor protection. Moreover, an RPG grenade.

[bask]

Question number 3.
How will the landing on the BTR 82: the landing on the armor, or inside the body, under the protection of the armor.
I think, as always on the armor.
Then why a sealed, armored case.
You can go the way, the Britons .. who created mine-protected, reconnaissance armored vehicles: Jackal 1,2 4x4 and 6x6, it’s quite convenient and the review is good.

[bask]

Question number 5.
Generally go on the path dodged.
And abandon the lightly armored wheeled armored personnel carriers 8x8.

And to have in service only BTR-T, BMP-T, as well as armored vehicles of the type MRAP and multipurpose, armored cars ... Which are much cheaper than "classic" "armored personnel carriers, but in terms of security they are not inferior, and in terms of mine protection they are superior.

BTR_T ,, Ahzarit ,, in urban development.

Leave, seafaring armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles, not wheeled and tracked, with unification of units and assemblies by 70% only in the airborne and marine corps.
Multipurpose armored vehicle SEP

[wanderer_032]

Quote: bask

You can go the way, the Britons .. who created mine-protected, reconnaissance armored vehicles: Jackal 1,2 4x4 and 6x6, it’s quite convenient and the review is good.

But what about the possibility of using WMD?
The armored personnel carrier has a sealed housing with a HLF.
It is possible to make an open-top modification on the chassis of the main platform of the promising BTR with mine protection:

And hang it on the sides of what you want.

[bask]

wanderer

Quote: wanderer_032

But what about the possibility of using WMD?

I think that if it is applied, armored personnel carriers will not be needed.

Quote: wanderer_032

It is possible to make an open-top modification on the chassis of the main platform of the promising BTR with mine protection:

An open top also does not solve all the problems: the events in Hungary in 1956, when, armored personnel carriers 152, were thrown with bottles of s / s. An option with a roof was urgently developed - BTR-152K1.
Now the war in Syria shows the density of sniper fire among militants.
Syrian soldiers only move inside the BMP corps, not just one on the armor.
If you create, an armored personnel carrier 8x8, what would it have: a double V-shaped bottom. Reinforced ballistic protection, with the ability to install additional .. armor and DZ.

A modular design to install various types of weapons and vehicles for various purposes on one wheeled chassis with the formula 4x4,6x6,8x8,10x10.
GPV company.

[wanderer_032]

Then look at the photo of a typical Syrian infantry fighting vehicle, yes
Syrian soldiers only move inside the BMP corps, not just one on the armor.
I see that this BMP is somehow without mine protection and additional armor.
But how oneta fight them and do not buzz?

[wanderer_032]

I can throw the photos and there, too, our BMP-1 and identity without additional armor, how so, huh?

[Alex 241]

Apparently based on the principle: the salvation of a drowning man, the work of the drowning man himself!

[bask]

Quote: wanderer_032

I can throw the photos and there, too, our BMP-1 and identity without additional armor, how so, huh?

What is so bad, without additional armor, would be happy to install.
The posted photos of the Syrian soldiers.
Firstly, he is on the march; secondly, it is not clear what year and where it was shot.
Can I have a video from YouTube?

[Alex 241]

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[bask]

Sasha, new shots.
Shielded, became the Syrian troops of the BMP, and the sides and the tower.
From the frames it can be seen that the militants failed to destroy the BMP.

[alert_timka]

this is just the BPM of the militants. If it weren’t so, he would turn around and slap the dude with the walkie-talkie. Or they would have knocked him down, since the roof is not protected by anything.

[Alex 241]

Approximate translation: Shelling of a BMP house under the leadership of a tank brigade commander.

[bask]

Here's ANNA, News. Shows real fights in Syria.

[wanderer_032]

And the Syrians fellows, mastered the tactics of battle in the nas.point.
Fairly competent actions.

[Alex 241]

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[bask]

wanderer

Quote: wanderer_032

Fairly competent actions.

And if during the demolition of landmines, the British soldiers were sitting on the armor?
If Syrian soldiers were sitting on BMP armor, would they be alive?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

column on the march, and not in combat conditions, why would they not sit on the armor?

[max702]

And in the fall or in the spring in the rain with snow, and even in the winter it’s -25-30 .. like on a jackal then? You don’t have to hide from the weather, their cars are for Africa and the Middle East, but as always, we have to fight at home, do nothing tradition .. yes, and the patency of all these crafts is polygon-exhibit, now they’ll come back to us and shout after that they were defeated by General Frost and Major Crucifix ..

[Moore]

GPV company.

"Freeway" tan ... uh .... APCs? Freshly. There is already a tank biathlon, why, judging by the clearance, there will be no races in the Formula-BTR?
By the way, if a tactical WMD is used, which is much more than a strategic one, armored personnel carriers will be very necessary. No one canceled the overcoming of the infected area after using tactical nuclear weapons in the battle formations of the enemy. If it has not been used yet in local conflicts, it is not a fact that it will never be used.

[SV]

Generally go on the path dodged.

? ? ?
And what are the conditions for maintaining the bd
We have a lot of water barriers. Taiga / mountains / swamps / steppes / etc
Under these conditions, a heavy machine is limited to operate.
Of course, the BTR-82 is very far from ideal, but more universal.

[bask]

Quote: SV

We have a lot of water barriers. Taiga / mountains / swamps / steppes / etc

Since 1979, at first the USSR, then Russia conducted military operations exclusively in the mountainous, desert terrain.

Quote: SV

Of course, the BTR-82 is very far from ideal, but more universal.

Universal yes, but it absolutely does not protect against anything. For what purposes is it needed for the money ???
The armored personnel carrier must keep the line of the DShK, and have mine protection not lower than Level-3,7 kg in t / e under the hull.
Soldiers should be covered with armor, for safe delivery, to the deployment site. And not any assault operations.
If you make MRI, on the wheel chassis of an articulated dump truck, there will be cross-country ability at the level of BT8x8.
Armored car ,, Federal M ,, 8 ml rub, mine protection up to 7 kg in t / e, ballistic protection GOST 6.
Security indicators are an order of magnitude higher than that of BTR-82. And the price is three times lower. (Is it more?).

[Alex 241]

I welcome Andrew, everything is new, well-forgotten old. How about ceramic armor?

[bask]

Quote: Alex 241

everything is new, well forgotten old. As for ceramic armor

Good evening Sasha.
Based on it, make quick-detachable blocks, additional armor, then -GUT.
On yesterday's topic armored car ..Golan.
On the sides of the hull is installed, quick-reactive hybrid hybrid armor.
Protection against armor-piercing bullets of caliber 7,62, 12,7,14,5 mm and 20 mm shells.

[Alex 241]

In general, the technology for manufacturing ceramic elements is identical to the technology for the production of ceramic household parts (insulators, tubes, blocks, tiles) and can be mastered both at a ceramic factory without the use of special equipment, and in any areas using the appropriate equipment (mills , mixers, presses, furnaces, etc.).
The basis for the production of ceramic armor are:
Silicon carbide (specific weight of the material is 3,7-4,0 kg / dm3).
Aluminum oxide (specific weight of the material - 2,8-3,2 kg / dm3).

The steps for making ceramic armor are the same as for ceramic tile production:
Chemical analysis and preparation of feedstock.
Fine grinding and mixing the components.
Formation of the product blank.
Drying blanks.
Firing (preliminary and final).

Technology Features:
To obtain reproducibility, special attention is paid to controlling the physicochemical properties of the starting materials and removing impurities.
Another important parameter is maintaining a low surface roughness. Therefore, special requirements are placed on the tool - the material of the punches and dies of the press is made of wear-resistant material and has polished surfaces.

And these are the results of the shelling of this armor with armor-piercing incendiary bullets B-32 caliber 14.5x114

[bask]

Quote: Alex 241

The basis for the production of ceramic armor are:
Silicon carbide (specific weight of the material is 3,7-4,0 kg / dm3).
Aluminum oxide (specific weight of the material - 2,8-3,2 kg / dm3).

Ours were the first to develop ceramic armor in the 70s.
But you know how it all ended.
Now only the recovery process is underway. But many technologies have been lost forever.

[Alex 241]

http://army-news.ru/2012/07/keramicheskaya-bronya/

[wanderer_032]

But it’s easier to write, here is how many mm of this car have armor. Armor?

[bask]

Quote: wanderer_032

But it’s easier to write, here is how many mm of this car have armor. Armor?

page
Imported, basically do not announce their performance characteristics, their armored vehicles.
They say the finished data on STANAG 4569.

[wanderer_032]

Any enti of a paper any can scribble.
As for our armored personnel carriers, their armor is inclined, which contributes to its additional resistance to penetration.
And for NATO vehicles, it with right angles is basically such a configuration of the armored vehicles of their armored personnel carriers, less resistant to penetration than an inclined one.
I think that citing such characteristics, Western manufacturers are stupidly cheating, which confirms the war in which their equipment works.
They constantly equip it with additional protection systems already during military operations.

[wanderer_032]

Here is what I have said more than once and will continue to say:
An armored car does not have any advantages when compared to armored personnel carriers if they are compared as vehicles for delivering infantry to the battlefield, moreover, an armored car loses armored personnel carriers in overall dimensions (remember a good saying that the larger the cabinet, the louder it falls), patency (such vehicles like the Urals, in an article on serious off-road conditions they won’t pass), mobility (armored personnel carriers can swim, i.e., sappers do not need to wait, but just choose a suitable place for the crossing and cross on their own), as well as to protect the crew and the landing from WMD ( on all armored vehicles eats l FVU and apparatus and devices for radiochemical (bacteriological) reconnaissance of the surrounding area).
In addition, the armored personnel carrier is routinely provided for the installation of support and defense weapons (14,5mm KPVT, 7,62mm PKT or 2A42 (72) 30mm, PKT 7,62mm, in addition, it is possible to install other options) for a good armored personnel carrier, only a new one needs to be developed an armored hull with mine protection (although it already exists, like a new vehicle of this class, it is the BTR-90 "Rostok") and with a more thought-out entry-exit layout for faster landing and disembarkation or loading and unloading. in this class, and all these armored cars are all from the evil one, for transport units, ordinary trucks with an armored cab are enough (and then if they work to deliver goods directly to the units on the front line or in the DB zone).
And for the work of VV-shnikov and special forces it is better to make armored cars so that they do not differ from civilian vehicles (so as not to attract too much attention).

[wanderer_032]

And one more thing:
But the new armored personnel carrier is needed not only for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it is also needed for the SV MO and for the Navy marines.
For explosives, it is possible to assemble on the same platform and on the same units (only different options should be provided for 8x8, 6x6 or 4x4), but taking into account the fact that there really are no such tasks as SV and marine corps, make a simplified version (without water cannons, etc. equipment unnecessary for the MVD).
And believe me, such an APC is much better suited for military (CTO) operations than an armored car based on the Urals.
And thus we unify the fleet of wheeled combat vehicles to nodes and assemblies to a large extent. Only armored corps will be different.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: bask

Generally go on the path dodged.
And abandon the lightly armored wheeled armored personnel carriers 8x8.

Such a technique is needed only in assault tactical operations, there is no more sense from it.
Large marches along the intersection, such cars will simply thump and instead of a fight they will need to be put in order first.
Even tanks do not drive long distances because of this.
Yes, and the speed of heavy tracked vehicles is on average 30-35 km / h (of course, more can be done, but this means more fuel and lubricants consumption and more failures for technical reasons on the march), and on average the wheeled vehicles go along the intersection of 40-50 km / h and resource consumption is significantly less.

[bask]

Quote: wanderer_032

Such a technique is needed only in assault tactical operations, there is no more sense from it ..........
Even tanks do not drive long distances because of this.

Wanderer
1. BTR-T / BMT-T, made by the main tank, the main tanks, so that the resource is the same as that of the MBT.
2. BTR-T / BMP-T, operate in urban areas, only in conjunction with MBT and infantry. (Booking at the same level). Send the same assault, bulletproof armored, without mine protection. BTR80 / 82 or BMP 1,2,3 is a crime.

Quote: wanderer_032

And the speed of movement of heavy tracked vehicles is on average 30-35 km / h (of course you can do more, but this means more fuel and lubricants consumption

In order not to drive tracked vehicles over long distances and not to spend motor resources, truck tractors are used all over the world.

[Professor]

I see you liked two.

[bask]

Quote: professor

I see you liked two

Prof. Again no luck. The mistake you have again however.
Mk-3, and not a deuce, prof ... again, miss.
But not what, do not be discouraged, lucky in love.

Resource, Israeli: http: //www.supervideo.com/MXCD-ROMOS.htm

"" "Merkava Mk III Dor Dalet (youth) on prime mover trailer by Netzer Sereni metallurgical plants bound for Lebanon front" ""
Mk-3.

[Alex 241]

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_tech/4268/Меркава

[Professor]

Quote: bask

Mk-3, and not a deuce, prof ... again, miss.

It’s excusable for you to make a mistake in the Merkavas, but on the website you cite a mistake. Twice this (I'm talking about the tank, you 4+). More precisely, in the photo of Merkava 2 Bet Dor Dalet.

Look at the "hood". See the overhead armor? And the shape of the tower at the C grade is as follows.

[Alex 241]

Oleg, good evening, in my opinion you posted a photo about the special coating of the armor from slipping. What isn’t that on all Merkavas?

[Professor]

Quote: Alex 241

Oleg, good evening, in my opinion you posted a photo about the special coating of the armor from slipping. What isn’t that on all Merkavas?

On everyone and not only on them. In Tsakhal it is called "cementing".

[Alex 241]

Hmm, the cost of a penny, the benefits of a dime!

[bask]

Quote: professor

Look at the "hood". See the overhead armor? And the shape of the tower at C grade is

Profff .. here is the winter version, Mk-4.
More: http: //www.supervideo.com/MXCD-ROMOS.htm

"" Here we have the Merkava Mk IV Winter Syria Frontier at the deployment station The first war for the Merkava IV was 2006 Lebanon Conflict Now all 4 Merkava versions
have already seen the fight "" "
Mk-4.But here I am 100% right.

[Professor]

Quote: bask

Here we have Merkava Mk IV Winter Syria Frontier

On your link hundreds of photos. Which one do you mean?

[bask]

Quote: professor

On your link hundreds of photos. Which one do you mean?

Here is a photo that I posted now.

But if now, the site is lying

[Professor]

Quote: bask

But if now, the site is lying

You are reading the wrong newspapers. This is a "two". Trust me (I can prove it).

[wanderer_032]

Now imagine a situation in which a convoy with armored vehicles located on a trawl collides with a surprise attack from the enemy.
Tanks cannot fire from a trawl (from a gun under the threat of a coup), and a tractor with such a load behind its back cannot quickly maneuver and, due to its dimensions, it is an excellent target for any enemy.
It will be a mess of burning trucks and tanks mixed up, and if it is an air raid, nobody will even have time to scatter.
So say nonsense.
MAZ-537 with a trawl is used in wartime to evacuate damaged armored vehicles and even with SPAM. And we have very few of them in tank units.

[Alex 241]

With a properly organized ambush, or air raid, without adequate air defense support, it makes no difference whether these tanks are on a trailer, or move on their own.

[wanderer_032]

On its way, the convoy can disperse by moving off the road in different directions and thereby deprive the pilots of the pleasure of covering everyone at once, but this cannot be done on trawls.
Having dispersed it is possible to snap back with your own means forcing the pilots to leave the combat course, if their working height is small of course.
But as far as I remember, attack aircraft and attack helicopters such as "Apache" and "Cobra" operate from low altitudes, otherwise the ammo is wasted.
So there is a chance for them to pluck feathers and to tickle the abdomen, and make them topple.
The column in the photo was unlucky, probably they did not follow the air. Therefore, they burned them all.

[Alex 241]

Sash (nothing about you?) A pair of Su-25 with KMGU PTAB 2.5m2 will cover a decent area.

[wanderer_032]

Tactics against airstrikes in NE are studied and practiced, they also want to live in boxes.
Somehow I was reluctant to mention the SU-25 as an enemy of our car, and I flew it in the simulator, but better about the A-10 or about the Harriers or Prowlers.
Although it is also necessary to look at the identification marks and not yawn (if the weather allows, of course, the height).
As for cluster bombs, a blow to a dispersed column will not give such a result anyway, as if it were a thread.
So the chances of surviving are still greater.
In each of our armored personnel carriers or infantry fighting vehicles, the standard set includes MANPADS in the amount of 2 pcs. on the car and a couple of shooters who know how to use them. I know that the pilots really do not like MANPADS and the understanding that some of you Vasily an ordinary from the infantry can shoot from where you do not expect, it really gets on their nerves.
And even with the columns there is an aircraft gunner in KShMke to coordinate actions with their aircraft.

[Alex 241]

Okay Sasha, peace , otherwise I also felt uncomfortable from all your anti-aircraft rattles

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Alex 241

мир

And I for sho!

[Alex 241]

Here you have the namesake tank style I'll hang up, see you

[wanderer_032]

Good video.
Well, as they say for the community of arms in peacetime, and for interaction in battle!
Aviation, armor and infantry together can do such things ...
WORLD-WORLD !!! In general. Hehe ..

[bask]

Quote: wanderer_032

MAZ-537 with a trawl is used in wartime to evacuate damaged armored vehicles and even with SPAM. And we have very few of them in tank units.

Saddles can be any, if the platform was not large enough to be appropriate.
KamAZ, tows the T-72.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: bask

Saddles can be any, if the platform was not large enough to be appropriate.

This is so, but civilian tractors can do this mainly only on roads, unlike the MAZ-537, which can carry such cargo even when crossed.
The main thing is not even that, but that such columns are very vulnerable from a surprise attack.
If the battle begins shortly and goes on, they will burn all the equipment, and they will lose a lot of people.

[sivuch]

Only in the assault operations? And only in the mountains and towns?
And if during the march it is necessary to hammer on the UAV or in other similar situations, it seems to me amateurish that here the stabilized 30mm is much better

[Atlas]

I DO NOT SEE ANYTHING NEWEST !!! CONVENTIONAL APC 80 WITH OTHER WEAPON. SPEAKING HONESTY "BUZEFAL" LIKE MORE ...

[Salamander]

Well done! Test and test these beauties again! I don’t understand why the newest projects of armored personnel carriers ("Atom" and others) are based on Western models? Compared to ours, goblins are kind of ...

[major071]

For some reason, I immediately remembered how in the 90 or 91 year, we were taught the future tank officers to drive the BTR-80. Technique is a class for those times. Western samples and did not stand next. Smooth running, high maneuverability and ease of landing, in general the song was!

[ilya_oz]

On the base in such an important place should serve professionals.

[Azzi]

Once again it comes to mind, well, what will a fighter learn in a year? More precisely in a year, just learn something, and serve? Not the army, but prof. technical College.

[avg]

Quote: Azzi

Once again it comes to mind, well, what will a fighter learn in a year? More precisely in a year, just learn something, and serve?

Write completely correctly, but the conclusions are not entirely correct.

Not the army, but prof. technical College.

But this is just right. For a year, only one can prepare a reserve in case of mobilization, otherwise there will be no one to call upon.
It would seem, why is cooking in Abkhazia ?. Because the blitzkrieg is not expected, but it is necessary to teach in the mountains. There are more professionals in the North Caucasus, although there are conscripts there.

[sinukvl]

Well, the new equipment began to be tested, very well.

[ando_bor]

Crews from the 2013 fall draft recruits are the same important test element.

[AVV]

Quote: ando_bor

Crews from the 2013 fall draft recruits are the same important test element.

Learn military affairs in the present way !!!

[waisson]

it’s interesting now that the training is probably six weeks old and you are a mechanic or operator of the 1st class

[Aleksey_K]

It would be nice to experience in combat conditions. There are where - the North Caucasus, Syria, and soon Ukraine.

[Apollo]

quote-BTR-82A represent a deep modernization of the BTR-80A and surpass their predecessors in almost all respects.

[Llirik]

God forbid! .. I’m mostly talking about Ukraine, and even in the Caucasus it’s better to do without a big war. And in Syria only if with the Arab crews.

[old rocket man]

Quote: Алексей_К

It would be nice to experience in combat conditions. There are where - the North Caucasus, Syria, and soon Ukraine.

Flag in hand.Come on and test.

[alone]

And will you sit behind an armored personnel carrier or will others do everything again?

[Tarpon]

BTR-82A represent a deep modernization of the BTR-80A and surpass their predecessors in almost all respects.

[lestad]

something the tower is spinning slowly

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: lestad

the tower is spinning slowly

Duc it was on the stabilizer, already aimed at the target, regardless of the maneuvers of the machine

[Roman 1977]

Well, let's start with the fact that the BTR-82A is a highly modernized version of the BTR-80, or rather its version of the BTR-80A with a 30-mm cannon, created back in 1986, which continued the line of Soviet armored vehicles: BTR-60PB, BTR-70. For its time, the BTR-80 was an excellent fairly cheap car, fully meeting the requirements, at the level of the German "Fuchs", the French VAB, the Spanish BMR-600, the Swiss "Pirana", and in many respects surpassing them. However, a little time passed and the above machines began to appear: "Stryker", "Boxer", "Pandur-2", "Pirana-5", which are no longer armored personnel carriers, but rather "wheeled infantry fighting vehicles" and against their background even armored personnel carriers- 82A, not to mention the BTR-80, looks somehow different. Well, they are developing a new "Boomerang", they threaten to show it to the public next year. But how much time will still pass before bringing it to a series, eliminating "childhood diseases", etc. etc. Therefore, I believe that it was necessary to adopt the BTR-90, which would just be a transitional stage from the BTR-80 to the Boomerang, having the BTR-80 layout and much stronger weapons, especially the Berezhok. Moreover, on its basis it was possible to create a family of other machines. But as the saying goes: "the damned furniture maker reached out ...". So it remains for our motorized infantry to ride on the armor of the BTR-80, especially since the adoption of the BTR-82A is also not shaky, not roll.

BTR-90 with "Berezhk"

[avt]

Quote: Novel 1977

Well, let's start with the fact that the BTR-82A is a highly modernized version of the BTR-80, more precisely its version of the BTR-80A with a 30-mm gun,

And someone claims otherwise ??

Quote: Novel 1977

at the level of German "Fuchs", French VAB, Spanish BMR-600, Swiss "Pirana"

Quote: Novel 1977

and the above vehicles began to appear: "Stryker", "Boxer", "Pandur-2", "Pirana-5", which are no longer armored personnel carriers, but rather "wheeled infantry fighting vehicles" and against their background even BTR-82A,

For those listed, except for Stryker, I do not undertake to argue the opposite, although there are questions. But here is the Stryker - the American version of Piranha, how does it differ from the basic Piranha? The same processing of the old car as in our case Even the Americans themselves, as a result of the hostilities, made a bunch of MRAPs, and they don’t twist more pictures from the exhibition about their miracle, but speak through clenched teeth about the shortcomings of the machine.

[Roman 1977]

Quote: avt

And someone claims otherwise ??

Moreover, this is a simple statement of fact.

Quote: avt

For those listed, except for Stryker, I do not undertake to argue the opposite, although there are questions. But here is the Stryker - the American version of Piranha, how does it differ from the basic Piranha? The same processing of the old car as in our case Even the Americans themselves, as a result of the hostilities, made a bunch of MRAPs, and they don’t twist more pictures from the exhibition about their miracle, but speak through clenched teeth about the shortcomings of the machine.

And "Stryker" is the modernization of the Swiss Piranha, only the difference between them is quite serious, compare yourself:
LAV-25-Swiss armored personnel carrier Piran MOWAG 8x8. Weight - 12,8 tons. The standard armament is a 25-mm M242 Bushmaster automatic cannon and a 7,62-mm machine gun installed in an armored two-man turret of circular rotation of the Delco Systems firm. The MTO is powered by a Detroit Diesel 6V53T turbocharged diesel engine with 275 hp. (202 kW)

"Stryker" - also developed on the basis of the Swiss MOWAG "Piranha" III. Weight - 18,7 tons. The armament is mounted on a remotely controlled installation on top of the hull and can include a 12,7-mm M2 Browning machine gun (ammunition load of 2000 rounds), a 7,62-mm M240 machine gun (4500 rounds), and a 40-mm Mk19 automatic grenade launcher (448 grenades). In addition, the installation houses six smoke grenade launchers. Engine - diesel Caterpillar 3126 with 350 hp. from.
So, there is a similarity, but very relative, in fact, the Americans got a new car, with a new engine, weapons, enhanced armor. And not just an armored personnel carrier, but a whole family of military vehicles:
M1126 - armored personnel carrier
M1127 - combat reconnaissance vehicle
M1128 - heavy weapon combat vehicle (105-mm M68 gun)
M1129 - 120-mm self-propelled mortar
M1130 - command post vehicle
M1131 - artillery reconnaissance vehicle
M1132 - engineering machine
M1133 - armored medical vehicle
M1134 - self-propelled ATGM with ATGM TOW-2.
M1135 - a machine for radiation, chemical and biological reconnaissance.

[iSpoiler]

Here I am about the same thing .. cho they grabbed onto this remote uninhabited module - it is inefficient ... !!! there is a wonderful BTR90 Berezhok, 4 cornet, 30mm machine gun and AGS30.

[avt]

Quote: Novel 1977

So, there is a similarity, but very relative, in fact, the Americans got a new car, with a new engine, weapons, enhanced armor. And not just an armored personnel carrier, but a whole family of military vehicles:

Come on ! The same upgrade as on the 80k. it is not yet a fact that it is better, say, the installation of "Nona" on our armored personnel carrier, or a tank gun on the pirnkin, "Cryker" from the shot of which he walks for a minute, again a 120mm mortar, as a separate vehicle, do not need to be done, two in one .Well, let alone the enhanced booking of the Stryker, here is your given photo of the homemade product, though without the inner filling with bags of all sorts of junk and sand, yes! And the creation of machines for various purposes on this basis is a dubious thing, a flimsy base, which, as already noted, the "distributors of democracy in the world" themselves speak through their teeth. Well, of course, Discovery does not mention this.

[Roman 1977]

Come on, I don’t know why I have this mattress flag, although I have nothing to do with the United States, I live in Nizhny Novgorod and haven’t been going to permanent residence anywhere, and I have never been to the United States.
I apologize for the digression, however, with regards to the same BTR-80, so also our soldiers additionally book it with sandboxes, bed nets, tires, and so what?

And what you called "homemade" is the anti-cumulative lattice screens installed in factories and used on our armored personnel carriers.

Or do you think it's normal that the crew drives an armored personnel carrier, I'm not particularly personally, but as for the Stryker, there are a lot of different opinions about it: who says that a failure, like you, someone says that the car is not bad ... Considering that its progenitor "Pirana" is in service with 19 countries, then draw your own conclusions.

[avt]

Quote: Novel 1977

0, so our soldiers also book it in addition with sandboxes, bed nets, tires, so what?

And the fact that the armored personnel carrier is not intended for action in the first line where it is driven because of the lack of heavy vehicles or sloppiness, is not the 60s of the last century.

Quote: Novel 1977

Or do you think it’s normal that the crew drives an armored personnel carrier,

Well, there was a funny interview on this topic during the "peacekeeping" in Yugoslavia. Amer asked why, as ours do not ride on armor, they say, saves from mines. And he replied - I will not go if I know that the road is mined. But when not childishly cut it was necessary - there were MRAPs and at once about "Stalkers" and "Hummers" finished singing songs of praise.

Quote: Novel 1977

Considering that its progenitor "Pirana" is in service with 19 countries,

And how many countries have our armored personnel carriers been and are in service with? Can you tell me if foreigners refused the same modernized 80/82? Do we not deliver them anywhere? Do you want to draw conclusions? Naturally, the cars are old, but the same Franks and Germans did not write off their classmates and quite use them for themselves - the Franks are fighting in Africa. Of course, it would be good to have a "Sprout", but certainly give the LADY a hatch in the back - the side doors suck, well, according to his understanding. That's what we are left with. Yes, with the flag, what complaints to me? I would specifically poke them at your address, if you please then give a link, or like that next time blame the admins.

[samoletil18]

Quote: Novel 1977

I don’t know why I have this mattress flag displayed,

But the minuses of the undeserved, in the course, adds

[bask]

Quote: Novel 1977

LAV-25-Swiss APC Piran MOWAG 8x8. Weight - 12,8 tons.

LAV-25, unlike the modernized Stryker, has no mine protection.
And so, the US Marines are in Afghanistan. Preferred on the LAV-25, move around while sitting on the armor.

[pawel57]

I totally agree with you. There is BTR90 Rostock, but it was cut off by jumping angles. The boomerang will not show anything good. They will tear off foreigners and pass them off as their own.

[Setrac]

Quote: Novel 1977

Therefore, I believe that it was necessary to adopt the BTR-90, which would just be a transitional stage from the BTR-80 to the Boomerang.

BTR-90 had to be adopted in the 90s of the last century and the millennium.

[SFIR]

Class .... for more of those in the army.

[shelva]

A very good thing - Abkhazia is an ideal place for testing weapons, so that Georgians would not get different "flies" on their heads, and again - the natural, rugged terrain will allow normal testing of both the running and fire capabilities of the vehicle.

[colonel manuch]

Although modernized, it is already better than it was. "90s" for the Western Military District and the Far Eastern Military District, it is more needed there.

[starhina01]

fighters of the autumn draft and immediately behind the wheel in the mountains and what comes out? from the ravines and abysses to collect the remains? for half a year at least it’s necessary to train driving and to teach those parts and not the sense of these armored personnel carriers if the soldier plainly knows nothing, only he will kill the equipment with the fool P.S. at the moment one young driver came to me with the categories of V.S. I’m shocked from him what a nut or a bolt does not know after a week of service, I only entrusted him with turning the nuts and by the summer I can trust to hold the steering wheel and it’s in question so that the quality of recruits leaves much to be desired

[VADEL]

The newest BTR-XNUMHA will be tested in the mountains of Abkhazia

Pancake! So far, the test has not passed.

[120352]

Yes, the newest car. Only 32 years old.

[Cormorants]

Good luck to the guys, let our steel protect them, as well as new victories to the developers!

[abrosig]

Judging by the dashboard and steering wheel - well, a very deep upgrade!

[Filibustiero]

Good stuff! I think in Syria they could be useful.

[BOB48]

why again the test? why in abkhazia? - your mountains are not enough?

[Leshka]

armored personnel carrier main friend

[max90.90]

Quote: Novel 1977

But how much time will still pass before bringing it to a series, eliminating "childhood diseases", etc. etc. Therefore, I believe that it was necessary to adopt the BTR-90

upgrade (remodel) easier and cheaper than letting a new one in a series
the same thing with tanks instead of T-90 it’s easier to upgrade the entire T-72 fleet in the amount of several thousand in T-72B3

[Arh]

But what about the Btr-90 Rostock! ! !

[wanderer_032]

Yes, this is not the height of perfection, of course, but I immediately liked the "Rostok".
The first time I saw him at the VTTV-99 exhibition, but they didn’t let him in, and he climbed the armor and looked. TTX looked at the plate.
And I understood the very essence of the machine when I watched this film and understood why they didn’t let me in then.
All of our armored personnel carriers and our brother are dedicated to mech.water:

[Al_lexx]

Good news. I always welcome any adequate teachings. And since now (and the glory of Bo) are not involved in more or less large regional conflicts, then there should be as many exercises as possible, good and different.
Machines are acquired. The main thing is that people would know how to fight. Those who know how and on old technology will show the adversary Kuzkin's mother. And who does not know how to kill himself and technology, before he has time to fire a single shot. It is enough to compare how and with what the Arabs fought and how and with what the Vietnamese fought (in the context of our weapons). Isn't that a striking difference?

Especially the soul hurts for the Air Force and Navy.

[Gronsky]

The definition of "newest", in relation to the car, which is essentially the good old 80-koy, as it hurts the ear. Well, why do these soar and develop? The technique is as old as the world, but just rolled off the assembly line and all the changes / additions made do not give any reason to qualify it as the newest.

[voliador]

But the aft hatch for the landing was not, and is not! Jump guys right under the shelling of the enemy! How much has already been said on this topic, but to our bureaucrats, it’s ... not for them to jump out of the batter under fire.

[voliador]

Give the aft hatch to the landing!

[Al_lexx]

Quote: voliador

Give the aft hatch to the landing!

It seems to me that two modifications are needed. For actions in mountainous areas, when fire is most often conducted from one slope, it is better to side. And on the open, of course aft.

[APASUS]

If you really wanted to experience the BTR, it was worth sending 2-3 pcs to Syria with specialists for analysis, and so pampering is all - just maneuvers!

[bask]

Quote: APASUS

If you really wanted to experience the BTR, it was worth sending 2-3 pcs to Syria with specialists for analysis, as well as pampering

It would be necessary to send to Syria, 100 units BMO-T / BTR-T, these are the machines to our Syrian brothers in arms.

BMO-T: manufactured on the basis of the T-72 tank.
It is in service with the Russian Federation and is mass-produced (as many as 12 pieces-units are produced ???).
Crew 2 people + landing - 7 people.
It is intended for transportation of personnel of the flamethrower compartment and its armament of 30 RPO-A flamethrower units in conditions of fire contact with the enemy.
This machine is really needed by the Army CA for fighting in urban areas.

[wanderer_032]

In the assault operations, I agree that wheeled vehicles have no place for easily protected and designed for completely different tasks.

[APASUS]

Quote: bask

It would be necessary to send to Syria, 100 units BMO-T / BTR-T, these are the machines to our Syrian brothers in arms.

I think "Terminator" could bring more benefits.

[wanderer_032]

The Terminator can be added as a fire support vehicle for heavy BTR-T or BMO in assault operations.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: wanderer_032

The Terminator can be added as a fire support vehicle for heavy BTR-T or BMO in assault operations.

Yeah, Alexander.
That he is good everywhere, even in such a performance.

[Russ69]

Quote: bask

It is in service with the Russian Federation and is mass-produced (as many as 12 pieces-units are produced ???).

Old data, supplies resumed this year. But not in dozens of course, but in terms of chemical protection, they did it .... Anyway, we are waiting at the base of "Armata"

[Aleks tv]

Quote: bask

It would be necessary to send to Syria, 100 units BMO-T / BTR-T, these are the machines to our Syrian brothers in arms.

Wow, Andryukh, how do I salivate when I see BMO-T ...
Lyapota is simple.
And if you stick some simple module on top, such as Jib, then finally all the flies will succeed ...
Eheh.

[shelva]

Quote: BOB48

why again the test? why in abkhazia? - your mountains are not enough?

So it’s not a trial, but the teachings and mountains in Abkhazia — ours. Since the peacekeepers were replaced by the federals, Abkhazia finally departed from Georgia, and its old dream has come true.

[shelva]

Quote: starhina01

fighters of the autumn draft and immediately behind the wheel in the mountains and what comes out? from the ravines and precipices to collect the remains?

400 fighters for 50 pieces of equipment and 70% for new recruits, according to the commander and the driver for the car = 100 fighters. 25%

[mechanic driver]

Quote: bask

Quote: Civil

Mounted armor? Mine protection Which class?

ZERO: not a hitch of composite armor and DZ, there is no mine protection.
There is only a slogan:

The latest BTR-82A

But nothing new, except for the stabilized gun that distinguishes it from the BTR-80A, with the 30th gun. There are no other visible differences.
BTR-80A.

BTR82A

weapons module, if you recall the uninhabited, reinforced armor with anti-fragmentation lining, Kevlar.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: mechanic driver

reinforced armor with anti-fragmentation lining, Kevlar.

Yes, and plus the accelerated engine at 300l / s, and not 260l / s like on the 80-ke, the lower part of the armored hull from the detonation of mines and IEDs (albeit of low power, is still better than nothing).
And as for the module, it’s rather a tower with the BC outside its borders, the gunner still remained in his place, only he was given a remote control for faster guidance (he used to only use the flywheels) and the stabilizer was set to fire on the move.

[D_L]

BTR-80 is a good car. That would be to look at the comparative test results of the new BTR-82A