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World jihad is dangerous for everyone. There are more supporters of Bashar al-Assad in Israel than in Syria itself

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World jihad is dangerous for everyone. There are more supporters of Bashar al-Assad in Israel than in Syria itself

In connection with the publication of classified information by a former employee of the Central Intelligence Agency and the United States National Security Agency Edward Joseph Snowden concerning the total surveillance by these services of information communications of citizens of different countries, Beirut recalls the scandal almost 15-year-old, which local security services were involved in .


EXPLORATION, EXPLORATION AND AGAIN EXPLORATION

In 1999, the Lebanese Minister of Posts and Communications, Isam Nuaman, acknowledged the fact that the secret services were listening to the phones of high-ranking state and political figures. It is impossible to ignore the fact that an investigation conducted by the Lebanese Interior Ministry and a specially created parliamentary commission revealed that a similar information leakage in the Cedar Country began in 1948 year. However, the reaction of the majority of deputies of the Lebanese parliament to the facts of listening was completely unexpected for a democratic state: the parliamentary commission, condemning the "illegality of such acts", immediately legitimized this listening. Deputies adopted a law legalizing wiretapping in the country. Apparently, local parliamentarians were guided by the following logic: it is better to sacrifice some democratic attributes, but not to allow terror rampant in the country in which dozens of various radical organizations acted and continue to operate. And although the killings of prominent political and public figures continued after the adoption of this law, in Lebanon it was possible to avoid the total radicalization of society and the slide into civil war.

In this regard, I cannot pass, in my opinion, on time and to the place of the voiced call of FSB Colonel retired Alexei Filatov, Vice President of the Association of Veterans of the Alpha Division, to make wider use of high information technologies in countering terror. Speaking on the TV channel “Rain” after the terrorist acts committed in Volgograd, Filatov stressed that in any country of the world special services get a chance to reveal the intentions of terrorists using an agent network and means of listening to telephone and other negotiations.

As for Lebanon, in such a multi-confessional and multinational country, special services should be “armed” with the most advanced technology. In fact, the Lebanese are a small population, represented by Sunni Arabs, Shiite Arabs, Christian Arabs of different directions, Armenians, Druze and Palestinian Arabs. Moreover, national and religious communities are not at all united there. So, Shiites are united in political parties Hezbollah and Amal, each of which has created its own military structures and special services. There is no unity among the local Sunnis, Christians, Druze and Arabs, who consider themselves Palestinians.

And at the same time in Lebanon, there are three state secret services: “Amn al-Amn” (General Directorate of General Security, GUOB), “Amn ad-Daula” (State Security Directorate), “Army Muhabarat” (Military Intelligence). In addition, police functions in the Cedar Country are performed by police, gendarmerie and internal security forces. Such fragmentation of the special services, which competed with each other and operated quite often in isolation, could not bring much success in confronting the enemies of the Lebanese state. Therefore, the political leadership of the country took two important decisions: first, all non-state special services were outlawed and, secondly, the security security service was determined by the leading security service. The first decision was not fully implemented, because Hezbollah did not obey him. The second decision came into effect immediately.

It is important to note that practically all the leaders of the Arab states took the path of strengthening their intelligence services. For example, in Syria, out of four intelligence structures - the General Directorate of Security (GUB), Military Intelligence (BP), the Political Security Directorate, and the Air Intelligence Directorate - BP was recognized as a priority, reporting directly to the President and the GUB. It is significant that with the beginning of the civil war in Syria in GUB, the "Division for Palestinian Affairs of Syria and Lebanon" was strengthened. And the reason for such attention is quite obvious: the Palestinians, most of whom are Sunnis, sided with the opponents of the Alawith Bashar Assad regime.

No secular forces in the movement opposing Bashar al-Assad will cope with al-Qaeda. If the current Syrian regime collapses, in the very heart of the Middle East, the most brutal and uncompromising terrorist organization of a global type will seize power.

The director of the Israeli Center for the Study of Terror (ICIT), Dr. Reuven Erlich, a reserve colonel who served in the analytical department of AMAN (Israeli military intelligence), believes that Al-Qaida is not only crazy fanatics with suicide belts, but primarily a strategy world jihad to seize control of trade crossings and oil fields. This is precisely the plan of Al-Qaida and its associated organizations: to strike at the interests of not only Israel, the United States, the European Union, Russia, but the whole world.

Reuven Erlich warns against the wrong emphasis in current events in the Middle East, and especially in Syria. “It’s important to understand the whole world,” stresses Erlich, “Al-Qaida’s agents carry the virus of terror everywhere. Everyone who passes through training camps with them returns home to a trained jihadist. This is the most dangerous virus. These people carry world jihad to their countries. ” Addressing the leaders of the United States, the ICIT director says: “The White House should be worried - if Al-Qaeda establishes itself in Syria, the whole system of checks and balances that the Americans are trying to create will fly to hell, and they will lose any an opportunity to influence the region. "

ISLAMISTS AGAINST ISLAMISTS. WHO WILL WIN?

Just a couple of years ago, this situation seemed completely unthinkable. After all, Islamists of all religious colors and political trends for decades have been and continue to oppose the Jewish state, not only delegitimizing it in a propaganda war, but also threatening to exterminate it. “In the heat of this literally deadly confrontation,” the retired Israeli army colonel who worked for many years in the analytical department of the Ministry of Defense Yaniv Rokhov told a HBO correspondent, numerous radical Islamist organizations tried not to recall their internal contradictions as religious as well as political. "

Meanwhile, it is quite possible to agree with the professor of Islamology at the University of Toulouse-II Huider, who in the article “The latest история Arab Spring ”, published last year in Debat magazine (Guidere M. Histoire immediate du“ printems arabe ”. - Debat. P., 2012. - No. 168. - P. 129 – 145), emphasizes that“ Islamism Is not a religion (unlike Islam. - Z.G.), it is a system of ideas and religious beliefs used to justify and justify political actions. ” Guider distinguishes three types of Islamism: first, popular, aimed at managing the private sphere, second, political, seeking to reform the society, and finally jihadist, whose sphere of action is international relations. This type of Islamism pays special attention to the economic and political relations between Muslim and non-Muslim countries. His goal is to restore such a state institution of the Middle Ages as a caliphate, using the methods of pan-Islamism and hegemony.

The Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI), the Lebanese radical organization Hezbollah (the Party of Allah), representing the Shiite trend in Islam, has always recognized its vulnerability in the Muslim world. After all, the majority of Muslims are supporters of the Sunni trend. In order to demonstrate its uncompromising standoff with the Jews of Iran, the only state among the UN members until recently openly called for the destruction of Israel, also a member of the UN. The Lebanese Hezbollah, which, by the way, is by no means all of the Shiites there, goes in the wake of Tehran.

It should be stated directly that Assad Sr. and Assad Jr., while serving as president, contributed to the inclusion of such religious and national minorities as Christians of different faiths, Ismailis, Druze, Turkmen, Persians, and (to a lesser extent) Kurds. Thus, the current regime in Damascus, although supported by Iranian Shiite ayatollahs, is in itself not radically Islamic. It can be described as moderately secular. Before the outbreak of the civil war, 22 million people lived in Syria, of which 87% were Muslim, 10% were Christian and 3% were Druze.

It is significant that the defense minister in the government of Bashar Assad was Orthodox Christian Daoud Rajikh, who was killed during the terrorist attack perpetrated by the 18 rebels in July 2012.

The Sunnis, who constitute the overwhelming majority (74%) in Syria, against the Alawites (11%) and Shiites (2%) have always been compelled primarily by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Later, Turkey joined the Arab haters of Assad. On the other hand, Riyadh and Doha, which support the enemies of the current regime in Damascus, are also in a difficult situation. When Hezbollah, Tehran’s fighting squad, attacked Israel during the second Lebanon war, the entire Arab world, forgetting its contradictions and quarrels, took the side of Hezbollah. But as soon as the next war with the Jews ended, internal disassembly resumed. The Sunni Sheikh Yusuf Kardaui, who had recently praised Hezbollah at all corners, now repents of his alleged delusion at the same corners. He calls the Party of Allah the Party of Satan (“Hizb ash-Shaitan”). Kardawi calls for “all Muslims who are able to keep weapon, immediately go to Syria and crush the Party of Satan. Egyptian Sunni extremists associated with al-Qaeda (the leader of the local Muslim Brotherhood, Mohammed al-Zawahiri, brother of the head of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri) are demanding that the “flame of war with the infidels” (they also include Shiites ) to Lebanon.

RECRUITMENT RECRUITERS AND CASH FLOWS

Among jihadists, the special groups “Jabhat al-Nusra” (“Liberation Front”; the full name of the organization translates as “Front for the support of the inhabitants of Great Syria”) and “Caliphate Levant”, which is also “Bilyad ash-Sham” (“Great Syria"). Both of these groups are al-Qaida affiliates. Ariel Ringle-Hoffman in the article "Al-Qaeda" around the corner ", published in the popular Israeli newspaper" Yediot Achronot ", draws attention to the broad interpretation of the geographical concept of" Syria "by the Front. “Front-line soldiers” mean by “Syria” not only the current territory of Syria proper, but also Lebanon, Jordan and all of Israel, including the West Bank, which formally refers to the Palestinian National Autonomy (PNA). Moreover, the “Front” is also striking out at certain areas of Iraq. Reuven Erlich believes that the main danger for the entire Middle East is the likelihood of the capture by the militants of Jabhat al-Nusra of chemical weapons, some of which remain in the warehouses of the government Syrian army. In this regard, the director of the ICITA stated: "Israel highly appreciates the initiative of Moscow, not only to break the American attack on Syria, but opened the way to the chemical disarmament of this country."

Jihadists attract militants from all over the Muslim world, as well as from the United States, Canada, Great Britain, France, Belgium, Ireland, Germany to their troops. The director of ITITA Erlich believes that first of all "it is necessary to understand how Al-Qaeda mobilizes jihadists, for example, in Paris." “Muslim youth from Europe simply crosses the border of Turkey and Iran,” Erlich believes, “and enters into terrorist organizations. We need to identify recruiters, to know where the money comes from, who mediates. ”

The civil war in Syria has put the Hamas leadership in a very delicate situation. For many years, the leaders of this organization have been hiding from Israeli retaliation in Damascus. But even at the beginning of the ongoing internal Syrian conflict, Khaled Mashal, the chairman of the political bureau of this organization, opposed the participation of the Hamas people in this confrontation. Indeed, Sunni Hamas did not at all have to stand in the ranks of those who are fighting with the Sunnis. This is on the one hand. On the other hand, Hamas members generously donated weapons and money to Shiite Iran and protected the Syrian Alawite regime.

Tehran has to be “content with” the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (ID), a competitor of Hamas in Gaza, who, because of its small number and weakness, felt rejected. In principle, the ID is a Sunni group. But its founder, Fathi Shakaki, liquidated by Israeli agents in Malta in October 1995, was a fierce fan of Ayatollah Khomeini, the spiritual leader and founder of the current theocratic Iran.

Israeli journalist of Palestinian origin, Khaled Abu-Toam, in an article entitled “Strayed from the“ path of jihad ”published in the English-language newspaper The Jerusalem Post, writes:“ Unlike Hamas, Islamic Jihad continues to maintain its current representation in Syria, where this grouping uses the full support not only Assad, but also Iran. Both Damascus and Tehran have a special interest in enhancing the ID. Perhaps in this way they are trying to punish Hamas for the fact that this organization refused to take the side of Assad. ”

From time to time, bloody clashes take place between Hamas and ID militants. For example, several years ago, Hamas members shot and killed one of the leaders of the publishing house in Gaza, Raed Hyundiyah. Interestingly, the militants of the Egyptian ID, following the example of Hamas, sided with the enemies of Iran and the Syrian government.

ISLAMIZATION WINS MODERNIZATION

The Muslim world treats the fundamentalist jihadist organizations differently, but in most Arab states they are supported by the most backward sections of the population. Often, one part of the citizens of the same state supports some radicals, the other - the other. For example, in Jordan, according to surveys, 55% of local residents have identified themselves as Hezbollah supporters. 43% of Jordanians admitted to negative attitude towards this organization. Hamas has even more adherents - 60%. They are opposed by 34% of the citizens of the kingdom, called the Hashemite, that is, headed by the monarch, a descendant of the Prophet Muhammad himself. The favor of the citizens of Jordan to Hamas and Hezbollah does not lend itself to the usual logic, given that the royal regime expelled the leaders of the first organization from the country, and declared the second to be terrorist.

Interpreting these numbers is not easy yet for another reason. It turns out that a significant part of the population of the Hashemite kingdom at the same time supports organizations whose militants are fighting each other on the Syrian fronts. And after all, this attitude to Hezbollah and Hamas is also observed in other Arab countries. Therefore, Barry Rubin, director of the International Center for Global Studies and editor of the Middle East Review of International Affairs, who is right in the article “The Islamists on the march,” published in the Jerusalem Post, writes: “I suppose that most Muslims in countries where there is no real democracy, and the authorities brutally crack down on the opposition, prefer not to take sides in the confrontation ”.

Jordanians are also wary of FATAH and the PNA. According to polls, moderate Fatah is less attractive to most Jordanians than radical Hamas. “And there is no contradiction here,” writes Barry Rubin. - The Islamists are perceived by the Arab masses as ideological, morally clean, more desperate and inexorable fighters than supporters of nationalist movements. Muslims see them as liberators willing to sacrifice their lives for the triumph of Islam and the return of its former glory to the Muslim world. ”

At the political forefront of the Islamic countries there are not and never have been any parties that come out from openly atheistic positions. Secular parties in Muslim states oppose fundamentalism and are ready to lead democratic reforms leading to the modernization of economic life and economic structures. This way, according to leaders of secular parties and movements, will bring the standard of living in Muslim countries closer to European standards. However, in the same Jordan 40% of the population are in favor of creating an Islamist regime. And almost half of the Jordanians do not associate this harsh Islamist regime with the monarchy of King Abdullah II. Thus, the moderate current royal regime should be considered precarious. Undoubtedly, this fact is realized in Amman and therefore there they are trying to “stay out of the game”, without defining their preferences in the civil war in Syria and not very demonstrating their almost allied relations with Jerusalem.

In this regard, it is not surprising that there are many supporters among the not very educated Jordanians and Al-Qaida. Polls speak of 34% of citizens of the kingdom who are sympathetic to an organization that not only attacked the United States on 11 on September 2001, but also carried out terrorist attacks in Iraq and Jordan itself. “This cannot be linked to anti-Western sentiments,” Barry Rubin expresses his point of view and asks a rhetorical question: “Can we count on modernization and stability in a country whose third of the population sympathizes with terrorists who kill their own citizens?”

By sympathizing with the radicals, a significant portion of the Arab population explicitly places accents in their preferences. And these preferences are very specific: anti-Western positions and anti-Americanism. It would seem that in such a situation, the West and the Americans have no choice: they cannot support either their outspoken enemies - Al Qaeda with its allies, nor the opposing regime in Damascus, for which Hezbollah militants are fighting for the government army, and Tehran provides maximum assistance. But the position of the current American administration can be called, however strange it may sound, anti-American. It seems that in the State Department of the most powerful country in the world, politics are determined, if not by enemies, then certainly not by professionals.

KURDISTAN COULD TAKE THE NEAR EAST

Immediately after the end of World War I, the victors, Great Britain and France, dividing the territory of the collapsed Ottoman Empire, did not rule out the creation of an independent Kurdistan. This was mentioned in the so-called Sevres (by the name of the town in France, in which representatives of the parties gathered) in an agreement concluded on August 10 on August 1920. However, later the leaders of European countries simply forgot about their promises.

Paris and London literally slaughtered the territory of the Middle East on a living, not paying attention to ethnic groups, tribes, religious and sectarian groups. In Syria, the intentions of the Europeans were of particular concern to the Alawites. The Lebanese newspaper Al-Nahar and the Egyptian Al-Ahram published a terrific document relating to July 15 1936. In it, the then leader of the Syrian Alawite community, the great-grandfather of the current President Bashar al-Assad, Suleiman al-Assad asked French Prime Minister Leon Blum to abandon his intention to grant Syria independence. In particular, Suleiman al-Asad wrote: “The Alawite nation, which for many years maintained its independence through great diligence and the price of many victims, is a nation that differs from the Muslim Sunni nation in its religious faith, its traditions and its history ... Alavitsky the people do not want to be attached to Muslim Syria, because Islam is conceived as the official religion of the country and the Alawites are considered by the Islamic religion as heretics ... ”. And then the great-grandfather of the current Syrian leader, demonstrating his foresight, in fact, predicts the current civil war in Syria. He writes: "For this reason, we ask you to prevent a terrible fate that awaits the Alawites if they are forced to join Syria."

If the Kurds, of whom there are more than 40 million today, gained self-determination at the beginning of the 20-s of the last century, the further history of the Middle East would not be so bloody. The majority of the Kurds are Sunni Muslims and in this respect are close to the majority of their fellow Arabs. The Kurdish people, having their own statehood, could well act as a “conciliator” between Jews and Arabs. In the Kurdish mentality is completely absent anti-Semitism. In Kurdistan for centuries lahloukhs lived, Kurdish Jews who never felt hostility towards themselves from their neighbors. The identity of the Kurds often irritated their neighbors. So, Ankara until recently forbade the Kurdish language. Kurdish villages in Turkish territory never possessed any autonomy, and the authorities attributed all local Kurds to the Turks.

The executed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein ordered to “gas” Kurdish villages on the border with Iran with gas 1988, suspecting them of helping Tehran. Many Arab leaders consider all Kurdish leaders as representatives of a pro-Western orientation, and therefore also do not trust them.

In Syria, 2 million Kurds focus mainly on its northeast. Nearby, immediately abroad, Iraqi Kurds live compactly, having already created, in fact, an independent state, albeit formally called autonomy. Among the Syrian Kurds there are tribal and political differences, but they do not participate in the civil war. There are practically no Kurds in the government army of Assad or in the rebel groups. Today, Kurdistan is only a geographical concept like the Sahara or the Caucasus.

DO NOT DISCUSS!

Tactically, for Israel in the current civil war in Syria, the victory of the regime of Bashar al-Assad is beneficial for a very simple reason: after the Yomby Day war of October 1973, it was the Syrian-Israeli border that was the most peaceful border of the Jewish state. Neither Asad Sr. nor Asad Jr., taught by bitter experience of defeats in confrontation with the Jews on the battlefield, while conducting a fierce anti-Israel propaganda campaign, refrained from open conflict with the Jewish state. If the power in Damascus is captured by extreme Sunni Islamists, led by Al-Qaeda, then, first, thousands of Alawites, Kurds, Christians and Druze, fleeing from the inevitable massacre, rush to Israel. If this happens, the Jewish state will face a grave humanitarian problem, probably even a catastrophe. Secondly, al-Qaeda, fulfilling its promises, will definitely begin to prepare a military confrontation with the Jews. Therefore, undoubtedly, Reuven Erlich is right, who, answering the question: “What can and should Israel do on the northern border?” Said so: “As a former employee of AMAN specialized in Lebanon, I can say that it is expedient for us to“ keep a low profile ” .

Nevertheless, many Israeli political and military leaders believe that in strategic terms, the fall of the Assad regime is beneficial to Jerusalem. Thus, by and large in the Syrian confrontation, Israel wishes victory to both parties.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 26 January 2014 07: 40
    +12
    I don’t know, maybe in Israel there really is a mountain of Assad’s supporters, but on the site, the sons of Zion spit on Assad and don’t say anything positive. Maybe they are waiting for an order from Tel Aviv ??? Or maybe faith does not allow ??
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 09: 07
      +11
      Quote: makarov
      the sons of Zion spit on Assad, and do not say anything positive.

      Words of untruth tongue, I always spoke out for Assad, he, thanks to his desire not to go into a war with us, was a good laying between us and Tehran, and a very hard laying. But in general, I am for those and others — I wish them all more military successes and victories in this particular war. laughing A good Islamist is a dead Islamist. (Not to be confused with Muslims)
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          1. Apollo
            Apollo 26 January 2014 12: 25
            +6
            Quote: makarov
            makarov Today, 10: 04 ↑
            SW On Rat, is it not about you I.G. piled up?

            Quote: And Us Rat
            Keep me anti-Semite!
            After all, by my existence


            I delete, your "poems" addressed to each other are off scale.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 26 January 2014 15: 26
              +9
              Quote: Apollon
              I delete, your "poems" addressed to each other are off scale.


              Come on Apollo! Huberman does not seem to be recognized as an extremist and xenophobe nowlaughing Although in Soviet times he was considered a dissident and anti-Soviet poet. Although it was the Soviet government, having given universal education and literacy, that they made a poet and writer of a simple Soviet electrician (more precisely, he made it possible to become one). Concurrently engaged in the purchase of stolen goods, bummed, that is, for having served five years in prison "bloody gebny" In 1987, escaped from the Soviet evil empire to Israel thanks to Gorbachev and Yakovlev, for the same Yakovlev actively promoted the idea of ​​the existence of politics in the USSR state anti-Semitism which infringes on the rights of Holocaust victims, Stalinist repressions and, later on, gay and handshake democratic dissident journalists. So, Apollon, in modern realities you become a non-handshake smile Deleted correctly. But flood and srach still can not be stopped. For any criticism of the Jews and Israel is anti-Semitism. That is, hatred is precisely towards the JEWS all in a row, and any criticism of the Jews (or rather the Israelis) regarding Russian weapons or Russia's policies on the international scene on this patriotic website is considered quite predictable and without options, Russophobia , by all-selling and hatred of Russia and the USSR. Any topic, even the climate in Israel, will cause srach and mutual reproaches, Truth is not important. The main thing is to wipe your opponent’s nose. Implicit discussions are rare, alas. However, the same thing begins on topics in Azerbaijan and Armenia with even greater intensity, unfortunately.

              By the way And Us Rat, the poem is not Guberman, some Monya the Gunner probably.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 19: 31
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                Quote: Ascetic
                By the way, And Us Rat, the poem is not Gubermanian, some Monya the Gunner probably.

                repeat
      2. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 26 January 2014 19: 01
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        Quote: And Us Rat
        Quote: makarov
        the sons of Zion spit on Assad, and do not say anything positive.

        Words of untruth tongue, I always spoke out for Assad, he, thanks to his desire not to go into a war with us, was a good laying between us and Tehran, and a very hard laying. But in general, I am for those and others — I wish them all more military successes and victories in this particular war. laughing A good Islamist is a dead Islamist. (Not to be confused with Muslims)

        ... And why is a Muslim worse ??? ... not to be confused ???
        1. alone
          alone 26 January 2014 19: 06
          +6
          Quote: ekzorsist
          ... And why is a Muslim worse ??? ... not to be confused ???


          I am also a Muslim! Do you have a complaint?
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 26 January 2014 22: 24
            +3
            Quote: lonely

            I am also a Muslim! Do you have a complaint?

            I do not have.
            Israeli Circassians belong to various Muslim peoples of the North Caucasus (Chechens, Ingush, Adygs) and live in villages in northern Israel. They serve in combat units and border police. Many of the Circassians became officers of the IDF, and one rose to the rank of colonel. As Adnan Kharhad, one of the elders of the Circassian community said: “In the War of Independence of Israel, the Circassians joined the Jews, who were then only 600 thousand, against the 30 million Arabs and since then have never changed their alliance with the Jews.”
            The recruits of the Israeli army, taking the oath, swear on various sacred books - on the Tanakh, Quran, Bible. The religions of the soldiers are different, but the oath is the same for everyone - they swear allegiance to the Jewish state.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 January 2014 19: 29
          +8
          Quote: ekzorsist
          ... And why is a Muslim worse ??? ... not to be confused ???


          There are Muslims:



          And there are Islamists:

    2. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 09: 07
      -6
      Quote: makarov
      I don’t know, maybe Assad’s supporters are really a fuyva mountain in Israel, but on the site, the sons of Zion spit on Assad and don’t say anything positive. Maybe they are waiting for an order from Tel Aviv ??? Or maybe faith does not allow ??
      Nothing of the kind. We always (as the author of the article noted) wish victory to both sides.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 26 January 2014 10: 02
        +15
        Quote: atalef
        Nothing of the kind. We always (as the author of the article noted) wish victory to both sides.


        He wished everyone death, but so good .....
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        2. atalef
          atalef 26 January 2014 13: 45
          +3
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          He wished death to all but so good ....

          I learned from Lenin’s grandfather
          Grandpa, and Grandpa! Have you seen Lenin?
          - But what about, grandson!
          - Oh, and tell me please!
          - Well, listen. It was like this: I am walking along Smolny, watching Lenin water in a samovar
          boiled and is going to drink tea. I say to him: "Vladimir Ilyich, do not boil water
          Will you give me? "And he answered me:" H..shki! ", and his eyes are so kind, so kind!
          1. bya965
            bya965 26 January 2014 15: 02
            0
            Quote: atalef
            I learned from Lenin’s grandfather
            Grandpa, and Grandpa! Have you seen Lenin?
            - But what about, grandson!
            - Oh, and tell me please!
            - Well, listen. It was like this: I am walking along Smolny, watching Lenin water in a samovar
            boiled and is going to drink tea. I say to him: "Vladimir Ilyich, do not boil water
            Will you give me? "And he answered me:" H..shki! ", and his eyes are so kind, so kind!

            Thank. Excellent farted (oh, wrong, distorted).
            And Lenin, she for the Communists, or for the Bolsheviks?
        3. Rider
          Rider 26 January 2014 14: 29
          +5
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          He wished everyone death, but so good .....

          and then they wonder why everyone loves them so much ... to death.

          well, we wish them the same - doubly.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 26 January 2014 14: 35
            0
            Quote: Rider
            and then they wonder why everyone loves them so much ... to death.

            It’s not at all clear. but over the 3 years of my stay on the site I noticed an interesting point. The bulk of people who hate both Israel and the Jews for some reason live in Kazakhstan (not all of course). but a lot. Have you been brought there on a reservation? Or you won’t be able to win back at the local population. so on the Jews laughing
            1. Rider
              Rider 26 January 2014 14: 48
              +10
              Quote: atalef
              Or the local population will not win back. so on the Jews

              so already recouped
              we don’t have you (quarrel over a pun)
              even during Passover, the synagogue in Astana is empty.

              however, you have overlooked the fact that you yourself want the alien people to be mutually destroyed.
              so I drew attention to your "good" wishes.

              how it comes around and responds.
              when making nasty things to others, be prepared that the nasty things will begin to do to you too.
              all according to the old testament
              about an optometrist and a stamotologist
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 15: 02
                +3
                Quote: Rider
                however, you have overlooked the fact that you yourself want the alien people to be mutually destroyed.

                Fuuu, what undisguised lecimery, do not misinterpret the words - we wish mutual destruction to all Wahhabi thugs and fascist regimes and organizations - al-Qaeda, Hizbullah, An-Nursa, Iranian agents, Hamas, the Syria-Iraq caliphate and other ungodliness gathered there.
                And by the way, we treat simple alien people!
                Israel provides medical assistance to Syrian citizens injured in the fighting between the rebels and the government forces of Bashar al-Assad.
                Last week alone, over 20 people, most of whom were children, were taken to Israeli hospitals in serious condition.

                1. Rider
                  Rider 26 January 2014 15: 08
                  +3
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  Fuuu, what an undisguised lecimer, do not misinterpret the words

                  quote atalef (3) Today, 09:07 Nothing of the kind. We always (as the author of the article noted) wish victory to both sides.

                  I didn’t see a word there about the “regime” of “wah hobbits” and other mirnyak.
                  so it’s not worth it to you to be a hypocrite.
                  this is a clear and precise call to wet each other in as large quantities as possible.
                  in response to which my post appeared
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 15: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Rider
                    this is a clear and precise call to wet each other in as large quantities as possible.

                    Everyone sees the world through the prism of their nature, condolences hi
                    1. Rider
                      Rider 26 January 2014 15: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: And Us Rat
                      Everyone sees the world through the prism of their nature, condolences

                      Yes, atalef will probably be grateful for your condolences.

                      join in
                      laughing
                      1. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 17: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: Rider
                        yes, probably atalef will be grateful for your condolences

                        That's just not about him yes
                      2. Rider
                        Rider 26 January 2014 17: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        That's just not about him

                        and remind you as in a branch:The senselessness of war in an absurd world. Patriotism and cosmopolitanism are incompatibledid you have a completely different opinion?
                        how to say nasty things about Russia you have one opinion, but when they poke your nose into yours, then you immediately turn on the "prism of your nature"
                        it’s not even double standards, it’s the same LYCEPHEMY that you ventured to mention.

                        Do you want me right now to muck about Jews and throw Israel?
                        and not from blozhiks and supposedly "your memories" but from YOUR PRESS?
                        about rape, molestation of youngsters.
                        or have you appropriated the right to flood only yourself?
                      3. And Us Rat
                        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 18: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: Rider
                        Do you want me right now to muck about Jews and throw Israel?

                        And what does that prove? laughing

                      4. Rider
                        Rider 26 January 2014 19: 06
                        +2
                        or maybe you should remember this slogan BEFORE you carry any nonsense?

                        then you would not have to drink sedative.
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            1. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 26 January 2014 17: 09
              +2
              Quote: S-200
              Quote: And Us Rat
              And by the way, we treat simple alien people!

              That's it ...Free ?! wink


              Somehow like this... request (news from the first months of the war, now the number of patients is disappearing by hundreds, if not thousands)
              Since the start of the civil war in Syria, approximately 50 Syrians injured during the fighting have been delivered to Israeli hospitals. At the moment, the 13-year-old girl with severe shrapnel wounds has become the last victim of the conflict in an Israeli medical institution.
              According to information provided by the Maariv newspaper, the treatment of the wounded cost Israel 3 one million shekels. Most of this amount goes to the Ziv hospital in Safed - it was this institution that accepted 26 wounded. About 20 patients were admitted to the Nahariya hospital. Some Syrians received medical care in Haifa and Tiberias.
              At present, it is not clear who exactly will pay for the treatment of Syrian citizens to hospitals. In southern Israel, when admitted to medical facilities, the bill is usually presented to the patient’s family and the Palestinian Authority. However, in Syria there is no one to present the bill.
              At the Ziv hospital, there was an agreement to receive certain financial compensation for treatment from the IDF. But at the present time this agreement has expired, so the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Health are trying to decide how the treatment will be paid.
              1. Rider
                Rider 26 January 2014 17: 50
                0
                Quote: And Us Rat
                news from the first months of the war, now the number of patients disappears in hundreds, if not thousands

                you provide a reference, otherwise hundreds, thousands
                and your quote is about a hundred.
                our Ministry of Emergency Situations also carries a lot of things, but here they do not boast about it.
                1. And Us Rat
                  And Us Rat 26 January 2014 19: 08
                  0
                  [quote = Rider] [quote = And Us Rat]
                  our Ministry of Emergencies also carries a lot of things, but here they do not boast about it. [/ quote]
                  The man asked - I replied, getting into someone else's conversation is indecent.
                  On this note, I finish feeding the troll. Good luck hi
                2. atalef
                  atalef 26 January 2014 22: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Rider
                  you provide a reference, and then hundreds, thousands

                  In general, more than 600. And I do not like it, why on earth should we treat the Syrians. Let them be treated in the Russian Federation. - so, in my opinion, more honestly.
                3. Rider
                  Rider 26 January 2014 22: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  In general, more than 600

                  and again without a reference.
                  that is, as we have rati, an unfounded statement.
                  Quote: atalef
                  why on earth should we treat the Syrians.

                  hmmm, it’s really much better to bomb you.
                4. atalef
                  atalef 27 January 2014 09: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: Rider
                  and again without a reference.
                  that is, as we have rati, an unfounded statement.

                  Yes, for me, and one - a lot.
                  Why should we treat the Syrians at our own expense? They have around 600 million of their brothers. + Russia + China. Let some be treated in Saudi Arabia, others in Russia or Iran.
                  Why do I have to pay for the treatment of people from my pocket - who, in addition to death, generally want nothing
                5. Rider
                  Rider 27 January 2014 14: 30
                  -1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Yes, for me, and one - a lot.
                  Why should we treat the Syrians at our own expense?

                  and what do I have to do with it?
                  or are you threatened with being shot forcing them to heal?
                  do not want to help the victims - your right, but then do not be surprised that everyone "loves" you so much, so we are back to where we started.
                  like "cut each other, and we will bomb them" this is always welcome, but how to help the refugees and the wounded, here you feel sorry for the shekels.
                  Well, an optometrist and a stamotologist, everything is written like a training manual.

                  and by the way about bombing.
                  here infa slipped (I’ll say right away - unverified)
                  Israeli Air Force strikes at a military base in Syrian Latakia (verified)http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/228174-vvs-izrailya-nanesli-udar-po-voen
                  noy-baze-v-siriyskoy-latakii-proveryaetsya.html

                  and it’s really better to bomb you.

                  Yes, and a lower stamp from non-German, you would be better off looking out for your local Muslims, rather than handing out tips.
                6. atalef
                  atalef 27 January 2014 14: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Rider
                  or are you threatened with being shot forcing them to heal?

                  Yes, personally, unfortunately, they somehow do not ask me
                  Quote: Rider
                  however, then do not be surprised that everyone "loves" you so much.

                  Do not shit nonsense. they treat 90% of women and children - it can certainly be humane, but in my opinion you won’t feed all the hungry and there will be no sense in it. After all, all have relatives
                  Quote: Rider
                  like "cut each other, and we will bomb them" this is always please

                  Yes why not.
                  Quote: Rider
                  and how to help refugees and the wounded, here you feel sorry for the shekels.

                  I am sorry . I would rather spend rubles on them - you are tearing your belly for Syria
                  Quote: Rider
                  Israeli Air Force attacked a military base in Syrian Latakia (verified) http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/228174-vvs-izrailya-nanesli
                  -udar-po-voennoy-baze-v-siriyskoy-latakii-proveryaetsya.htmland you really succeed in bombing.

                  Of course. we generally Syrians hung 5 times lyuley. Why break the tradition?
                7. Rider
                  Rider 27 January 2014 15: 32
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Yes, personally, unfortunately, they somehow do not ask me

                  Abyd yes?
                  Quote: atalef
                  Do not shit nonsense. treat 90% of women and children

                  but I didn’t see evidence, but suddenly they don’t treat, or they treat, but not those. wink
                  Quote: atalef
                  Yes why not.

                  here’s what I’m talking about, and this one is like his ... uh And their army, it was still blocking you, like you’re fluffy and blaarodny, and you’re what you are, that is, cannon me ... uh, well, an excuse for reporters
                  (I'm glad you understood that)
                  Quote: atalef
                  I am sorry . I would rather spend rubles on them - you are tearing your belly for Syria

                  no, we’re not tearing, but we help as much as we can, because we are friends with the brain (unlike some), and we guess where this shobla can go after Syria.
                  and about lyuley and tradition, well, everything ever happens for the first time.
                8. atalef
                  atalef 27 January 2014 15: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Rider
                  Abyd yes?

                  Did not think about it

                  Quote: Rider
                  I didn’t see evidence, but suddenly they don’t treat, or they treat, but not those

                  So do I.
                  It’s better not to be treated at all
                  Quote: Rider
                  And their army, still blocking you, like you're fluffy and blaarodny, and you are what you are

                  That's for sure . And I think that there is nothing to throw beads in front of pigs.
                  Quote: Rider
                  i.e. cannon me

                  ??
                  Quote: Rider
                  Well, the excuse for reporters (I'm glad you understood this)

                  Of course I get it. that you are like a small trololo. you try to breed
                  Quote: Rider
                  no, we’re not tearing, but we help with what we can

                  Few, it would be better if the grandmother nor Friske was collected for treatment (tea is not the poorest) but to Syria
                  Quote: Rider
                  ), and we guess where this shobla can go after Syria.

                  And where ?
                  Quote: Rider
                  and about lyuley and tradition, well, everything ever happens for the first time

                  Of course. and this can affect any country. There are no winners.
                9. Rider
                  Rider 27 January 2014 16: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  That's for sure . And I think that there is nothing to throw beads in front of pigs.

                  why are you so your protector, he defended you, and you ... laughing
                  By the way, he drifted, added me to the black list, well, he can’t answer my arguments.
                  you, too, by the way, verbal in ... uh, verbiage prevails. on the specifics.
                  Well, as for the pretext for reporters, you perfectly understood this by writing below that smart Jews live in America, and in Israel - patriots. whose account to take a hit. and become that very excuse.

                  Well, about the distribution vector of the bearded.
                  there is especially guessing and there is no need.
                  either to us
                  either to you
                  either to europe

                  but to Europe just through you.
                  so 2 to 1 what, to you.
                  and I completely agree with your opinion There are no winners.

                  good luck
                  laughing
    3. Hug
      Hug 27 January 2014 07: 32
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      Let them be treated in the Russian Federation. - so, in my opinion, more honestly.


      Better in Kazakhstan. But why nowhere is it said: what to do with the ungrateful?
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 19: 23
    +3
    Israel provides medical assistance to Syrian citizens,

    I think it provides, but not only medical and not only, CITIZENS of Syria.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 26 January 2014 19: 33
      +3
      UB-32, with the S-5 KO, a tough thing!
      1. bask
        bask 27 January 2014 00: 51
        +1
        Quote: Alex 241
        UB-32, with the S-5 KO, a tough thing!

        Even some .
        A cart with UB-32, with S-5 KO, is not an Arab invention.
        Ours back in Afghanistan they were welded on materigals.
        Put on Toyota, this is the Libyan fighters.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 27 January 2014 01: 02
          +1
          There were also S-5s with SPEL warheads, like they were banned, hectare mowed!
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 27 January 2014 02: 18
          +2
          Quote: bask
          A cart with UB-32, with S-5 KO, is not an Arab invention.
          Ours back in Afghanistan they were welded on materigals.

          in the Caucasus, too, they put everything on the BMP, and on the BRDM
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  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 19: 38
    +1
    Quote: bask
    I think it provides, but not only medical and not only, CITIZENS of Syria.

    Excuse me - but this is empty speculation, purely logical - it makes no sense to help us, neither one nor the other. No.
    1. bask
      bask 26 January 2014 20: 15
      +1
      Quote: And Us Rat
      I'm sorry - but this is empty speculation,

      A US
      Come on you.
      Then, whence in Syria, from militants, ammunition and Israeli markings.
      Intelligence ... information, with exact coordinates, of government troops.
      And so on ...
      Quote: And Us Rat
      there’s no reason for us to help, neither one nor the other

      So I’m constantly talking about this. There is NO SENSE to help the militants.
      But the government helps. Why ???

      Link to the studio, please.
      26/01/2014 Here from here.http: //oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/187039-izrailskie-voennye-

      tayno-
      voyuyut-vmeste-s-boevikami-v-sirii-zahvachena-izrailskaya-armeyskaya-mashina.htm


      l
      "" "The media confirm that an Israeli military vehicle has been seized in the Syrian city of Qusayr .... The license plate on the car is the same as used in Israel - with a black background and the letter" tsade "" ""

      Just one example of 2014.
      1. Kus Imak
        Kus Imak 26 January 2014 20: 50
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Quote: And Us Rat
        I'm sorry - but this is empty speculation,

        A US
        Come on you.
        Then, whence in Syria, from militants, ammunition and Israeli markings.
        Intelligence ... information, with exact coordinates, of government troops.
        And so on ...
        Quote: And Us Rat
        there’s no reason for us to help, neither one nor the other

        So I’m constantly talking about this. There is NO SENSE to help the militants.
        But the government helps. Why ???

        Link to the studio, please.
        26/01/2014 Here from here.http: //oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/187039-izrailskie-voennye-



        tayno-
        voyuyut-vmeste-s-boevikami-v-sirii-zahvachena-izrailskaya-armeyskaya-mashina.htm





        l
        "" "The media confirm that an Israeli military vehicle has been seized in the Syrian city of Qusayr .... The license plate on the car is the same as used in Israel - with a black background and the letter" tsade "" ""

        Just one example of 2014.


        Well, this jeep finally got out. If you had rummaged a little more, you would have known that this jeep went to the army of southern Lebanon, then after Israel left South Lebanon, he, along with many other assets, went to Hizbal. They then dragged him for a photo shoot in Syria. We have not been riding such jeeps for more than 20 years. By the way, the photo shoot refers to 2013.
        Here is a modern Israeli jeep:
      2. bask
        bask 26 January 2014 21: 11
        -1
        Quote: Kus Imak
        Here is a modern Israeli jeep:

        Militants, no one will not deliver new equipment.

        Israeli resource
        : http: //newsru.co.il/press/01dec2013/arab_a101.html
        "" "" Al-Safir ": Israel is providing operational assistance to the rebels in Syria ... The Israelis' assistance was supposedly not only that they provided the attackers with intelligence data regarding the location of the enemy, but also disrupted radio communications and other communications of army units and subunits." Hezbollah "...." ""

        What, again "lies"?
      3. Professor
        Professor 26 January 2014 21: 17
        +7
        Quote: bask
        Israeli resource

        Israeli resource? We read carefully the Israeli resource: "The Lebanese newspaper" Al-Safir "tells ...". All. You don't have to read further. laughing
      4. atalef
        atalef 27 January 2014 09: 39
        +3
        Quote: bask
        Militants, no one will not deliver new equipment.


        BASK, I certainly understand that they may not deliver new equipment (suppose). but how should one be a moron, so that if you put it, leave not only the IDF marking. but also numbers. Tell me, do you think in Israel 200 grams of paint was not found to paint it?
        Your statements are not just funny - they are very funny. If Israel wanted to supply weapons to the SSA. he would have done this not with Israeli weapons, but with Russian weapons - he has enough of them in warehouses (trophy ones), well, not DeBiLs are sitting here. Really not understandable.
    2. bask
      bask 26 January 2014 22: 11
      +1
      Quote: Kus Imak
      Here is a modern Israeli jeep:

      About armored vehicles you, in vain started a dispute.
      But how many units of SUVs SUV-3 jeeps are now in the IDF.
      Only planned, full-scale procurement - 500 units.

      EVROFILM - Jewish media torrent portal.
      "" Over the next two years, the army command is going to buy 500 Sufa-3 jeeps for a total of 40 million shekels! "
      http://evrofilm.com/dzhipy-sufa-3-na-vooruzhenii-caxala.html
      Now these armored vehicles (Sufa-3)), in the IDF unit.
    3. Kus Imak
      Kus Imak 26 January 2014 22: 20
      +4
      Why in vain? Yes, we have both Sufa1 and Sufa2. And what do you see the problem? 20-year-old jeeps such as the Syrians have already been shown long ago. By the way, the Syrians claimed that this was not an attack by militants, but an attack by ISRAELI soldiers. Do you think that the Israelis will go to storm the Syrian border, equipped with the latest Soviet fortification science, in jeeps 20 years ago?
  • Professor
    Professor 26 January 2014 21: 09
    +4
    Quote: bask
    Just one example of 2014.

    Well, why so laugh? Just one example of 2014? Is there some more?
    This Jeep Sufa was decommissioned in the 200th year and the empty one was sold for scrap. A video in which he allegedly with secret equipment was captured in Syria was shown last year.
    Musin went further than you. He even showed an Israeli-made RPG Lau and a 60 mm yellow mine with Israeli-made chemical weapons. lol

    But an Israeli bus handed over for scrap carries passengers in Moscow.
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  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 21: 58
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    But an Israeli bus handed over for scrap carries passengers in Moscow.

    And what is the problem proff .. Do you want to say that the SUV-2 jeep is already scrap?
    Infa from: JANUARY 26, 2014, SUNDAY, 21:46
    http://lenta.ru/news/2006/04/17/blast3
    "" "Israeli tanks and armored jeeps drove into the territory of the Palestinian city of Nablus, located on the west bank of the Jordan River, Ha'aretz reported."
    Quote: Professor
    and for three years nothing has come to light from this help. Was there a boy?

    There is no direct evidence and never will be.
    But while Netanyahu is in power in Israel, the policy towards Syria will not change.
    Although, I agree with the author of the article.
    Already many in Israel have realized the dangers that jihadists have.
    And it is better to deal with civilized Assad than with wild semi-literate militants and their leaders.
  • Professor
    Professor 26 January 2014 22: 11
    +1
    Quote: bask
    And what is the problem proff .. Do you want to say that the SUV-2 jeep is already scrap?
    Infa from: JANUARY 26, 2014, SUNDAY, 21:46
    http://lenta.ru/news/2006/04/17/blast3
    "" "Israeli tanks and armored jeeps drove into the territory of the Palestinian city of Nablus, located on the west bank of the Jordan River, Ha'aretz reported."

    Haaretz reported, and the illustration tape slapped a photo of the first intifada. Particularly smiled red six-pointed stars on a white background. I have not seen these for a long time. Thanks, just a time travel. good

    Quote: bask
    And it is better to deal with civilized Assad than with wild semi-literate militants and their leaders.

    It is better to deal with Switzerland or Norway, and here that Assad, that Alkaida - the same eggs are just a view from left or right.
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 22: 34
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Better to deal with Switzerland or Norway, and

    Is it better to deal with Russia?
    Quote: Professor
    I have not seen these for a long time. Thanks, just a journey through time

    Prof ... what a Sufa-1, Sufa-2 jeep, which are taken out of arsenal of the IDF?
    Do not like your red stars, find with white.

  • Professor
    Professor 26 January 2014 22: 40
    +1
    Quote: bask
    Is it better to deal with Russia?

    Nah ... Better with Switzerland. There is no risk that he will suddenly start to coerce the world or protect "their" citizens. laughing

    Quote: bask
    Prof ... what a Sufa-1, Sufa-2 jeep, which are taken out of arsenal of the IDF?

    1. Your photo is not a Tsakhalev jeep.
    2. I don’t know whether they were officially removed or transferred to storage, but for about 5 years I haven’t caught my eye.
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Nah ... Better with Switzerland.

    Essentially in Switzerland it is good. Mountains are fresh air.
    A lot of banks who have money wagons.
    Quote: Professor
    There is no risk that he will suddenly start to coerce the world or protect "their" citizens.

    Yes you, that prof ... all (almost) oligarchs and politicians, this is the political and economic lobby of Israel.
    And in the Russian government, there are more Jews than in the US presidential administration. And you say Switzerland. laughing
    Quote: Professor
    but for about 5 years I haven’t caught my eye.

    Maybe so. But there was no information .. that they were withdrawn from service.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 27 January 2014 00: 41
    +3
    Quote: bask
    .
    And in the Russian government, there are more Jews than in the US presidential administration. And you say Switzerland. laughing .

    Recently, after a similar statement, I was not too lazy to find the composition of the Government of the Russian Federation and went through all the biographies of the ministers, since today this is not a problem. Well, except for Daorkovich, no one has Jewishness looming.
  • Current 72
    Current 72 27 January 2014 03: 03
    +2
    Aron Zawi! This is for the mother, and if for the father, how much will be ??? So count !!!
  • Hug
    Hug 27 January 2014 08: 02
    +1
    Re .: Current 72
    Aron Zawi! This is for the mother, and if for the father, how much will be ??? So count !!!


    Actually, in no normal state people are not ranked among criminals and enemies by their nationality, dispersion, religion. Isn't it in Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine? Or, when it comes to Jews, does the bar sink down?
  • Hug
    Hug 27 January 2014 07: 42
    +3
    Re .: bask
    "Yes, you, what a professional ... all (almost) oligarchs and politicians are the political and economic lobby of Israel.
    And in the government of the Russian Federation, there are more Jews than in the US presidential administration. And you say Switzerland "


    "When the opponent runs out of arguments, he begins to clarify nationality."
    Arkady Davidovich, writer

    I'm not original, because I am citing this quote for the second time on the site. But what to do when there are many trolls like bask here. And the fact that you are the sweetest Troll is beyond doubt, tk. Your attempt to pass for an imbit was not successful - ucheny, you sometimes bring distorted facts and "proofs." Therefore, I can advise the dear Aaron Zawi Do not waste time and nerves on him.

  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 21: 48
    +2
    Quote: bask
    Then, whence in Syria, from militants, ammunition and Israeli markings.

    From the same place from Hamas and Hezbollah - they steal from Turkish bases, Bedouins sometimes steal from us and sell "there", in the former republics of the USSR (in Azerbaijan, for example) there are also a lot of our weapons that can be stolen. request
    As for the car - from the same series, in Lebanon in 2006 they could easily hang out, or our gouging suppliers could quietly sow one.
    Example:
    12.09.2005 | 09:49
    On the eve of the IDF’s withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, reserve soldiers from the landing brigade found an orphan armored personnel carrier near their positions. After attempts to find out which part he belongs to were unsuccessful, the reservists turned to journalists of the tenth TV channel. According to the channel, the BTR was equipped with a mobile command post and was equipped with secret radio equipment. The approximate cost of the armored car and the equipment installed on it was several million shekels.
    Since it was not possible to establish who was responsible for the APCs, Channel 10 reports, the reservists decided to drive the APCs into Israel on their own. Apparently, we are talking about the absolute sloppiness record set by the army.

    In addition, decommissioned light vehicles such as jeeps are sold to a civilian. Anyone can buy and export from the country.
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 22: 48
    -1
    Quote: And Us Rat
    In addition, decommissioned light vehicles such as jeeps are sold to a civilian. Anyone can buy and export from the country.

    A US
    The main and constant assistance to Israeli militants is to inflict, on military and infrastructure facilities in Syria.
    And these are no longer refutable facts !!!!!!!

    Providing militants with intelligence ... information.
    The participation of special forces, flopped in operations in Syria.

    But you, unlike the prof ..., you admit, like many Israelis (I think so) What is better Syria, under the control of Assad, than under the control of the beast.

    And than their coming to power in Syria, threatens Israel itself.
    Yes, do not forget that Pakistan has a dozen Y. warheads.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 23: 31
    +2
    Quote: bask
    The main and constant assistance to Israeli militants is to inflict, on military and infrastructure facilities in Syria.

    Isolated cases of bombing pursued purely our goals (as well as strikes in Lebanon, Sudan and a couple of undisclosed places), and the fact that they went to the benefit of one of the parties is a side effect that the General Staff didn’t give a damn about, the main thing is I’ll repeat our interests (and specifically - to give asshole hezbollah raking handles)
    Quote: bask
    Providing militants with intelligence ... information.
    The participation of special forces, flopped in operations in Syria.

    Who ?! Wahhabis ??? belay laughing
    The special forces again conducted intelligence in the interests of Israel - no more.
    Quote: bask
    What is better Syria, under the control of Assad, than under the control of the beast.

    It is better for us - Syria, under the control of the government, in the likeness of Egypt, which is not friendly, not with Iran, nor with the Taliban.
    Quote: bask
    Yes, do not forget that Pakistan has a dozen Y. warheads.

    Therefore, Packs do not allow themselves "stupid exclamations from the back rows", they understand that if they are allowed to be in the club of "adult boys", then they will ask if anything happens "in an adult" besides they have nuclear India (friendly to us) and China (which is struggling to keep up with India on this issue)
  • bask
    bask 26 January 2014 23: 59
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    It is better for us - Syria, under the control of the government, in the likeness of Egypt, which is not friendly, not with Iran, nor with the Taliban.
    .... today the reality is that the war in Syria will continue until the al-Qaeda scum is knocked out of Syria until the last militant, or "Afghan under the Taliban" reigns in Syria 2.0

    Now, you have already changed the course of your thoughts.
    Where are you ? That in Syria, they must drive out al-Qaeda evil spirits. Who will do this the troops under the command of B. Assad.
    And then you write that the Assad regime does not suit you.
    A split mind though.
    Or proff .... are you shy?
    lol
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  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 27 January 2014 00: 18
    +2
    Quote: bask
    Now, you have already changed the course of your thoughts.
    Where are you ? That in Syria, they must drive out al-Qaeda evil spirits. Who will do this the troops under the command of B. Assad.
    And then you write that the Assad regime does not suit you.


    I already wrote about it today tongue
    Quote: And Us Rat
    That’s why we don’t bomb, we will wait for the winner - and from there we will decide his fate.
    If moderate opposition wins - well, we will seek a partner for dialogue. If Assad wins, it’s also not bad, the pre-war status quo, a cold truce will return.
    If al-Qaeda wins, we will mix them with camel feces, and bring the new Assad to power.
  • bask
    bask 27 January 2014 00: 47
    0
    Quote: And Us Rat
    I already wrote about it today

    OK. Gone from the answer. what
    I understand the solidarity of all who are under the Israeli flag.
    The good one is one for all.
    I would like Chuvash and my Russian brothers, such a uniformity of thoughts and actions.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 27 January 2014 01: 05
    +1
    Quote: bask
    such a uniformity of thoughts and actions.

    Thoughts? Not even ran close laughing
    Action? So harsh reality forces wink
    The fist is always stronger than the fingers individually, and there is no choice - when you are forced to use it daily. hi
  • Professor
    Professor 26 January 2014 20: 59
    0
    Quote: bask
    I think it provides, but not only medical and not only, CITIZENS of Syria.

    For three years, nothing has come to light from this help. Was there a boy? laughing
  • bya965
    bya965 26 January 2014 15: 06
    +7
    Everything is very simple, all Jews say how the Diaspora should be and do not have an opinion. This is all very democratic. This is my classmate wrote
    Viewers saw photographs in which some cute youths flaunt in T-shirts with the inscription BEAT JEEDS! in Ukrainian. However, I emphasize, young people are filmed in T-shirts in the open air. Therefore, the photographs were taken in the summer and it is not clear where.
    Let us turn to the reaction of the media to the Ukrainian rebellion. The position of the most Jewish radio-ECHO MOSCOW is most indicative here. Almost all ECA news releases are imbued with sympathy for Maidan-Bandera-Nazis. Aleksey Venediktov quite deserved the right to be called the Nakhtigale (Nightingale) of Galychyna.
    Dmitry Bykov, like a well-fed petrel, circled rebellious Kiev for a long time and fed Bandera’s revolutionary agitation. Nikolai Svanidze is more careful, but he is also nicer than the rotten Yanukovych.
    On the Internet, I read the report of Israeli journalists from revolutionary Kiev. The Israelis are trying to maintain objectivity, but their attitude towards the Maidan is quite favorable.
    And, finally, enchanting activity was developed by Russian nationalist-Jew Alexander Belov-Potkin. He literally overwhelmed the Internet with reports on the legendary exploits of Bandera rabble.
    These are stubborn facts.

    On the I have relatives in Ukraine, but just fraternal people, I worry greatly.
    1. Hug
      Hug 27 January 2014 08: 12
      +2
      Re.:bya965
      In Ukraine, I have relatives, but just fraternal people, I worry very much.


      I have a son and grandchildren in Ukraine, and I am also worried, and I am also not a supporter of the so-called. "opposition" (like Yanukovych). But to use what you have brought to create a negative image of Jews ("ECHO MOSCOW" and others) is disgusting and despicable.
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 27 January 2014 14: 39
    0
    why everyone loves them so much ... to death.

    Love is evil.
  • makarov
    makarov 26 January 2014 10: 11
    +7
    Over the long centuries that lasts
    total massacre in heaven
    we learned how to have fun
    at the moat on the moving edge.
    И.Г.
    1. alone
      alone 26 January 2014 10: 57
      +11
      I wonder why Makarov argues? For Israel, that the militants, Assad are enemies. Assad simply is a lesser evil for them, and therefore they both want to win)), in principle, regardless of who wins there, Syria rolled back as a country 40 years ago, and military-technical plan weakened so that hardly anyone will think about the liberation of the Golan Heights
      1. makarov
        makarov 26 January 2014 11: 21
        +4
        SW Lobster!
        But is this a debate? - So, just a little chat with Maleho.
        1. alone
          alone 26 January 2014 11: 32
          +5
          Well, it’s clear, Pavel)) Actually, I want to write less and less about Syria)) There is almost no purely objective information, and any thought that does not coincide with the general opinion is immediately minus without any arguments. Many just don’t really want to make sense of what there and because of what it all started! hi
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 26 January 2014 15: 46
    +6
    Quote: atalef
    Nothing of the kind. We always (as the author of the article noted) wish victory to both sides.

    Alexander! It’s not you who accidentally wave a yellow ball in support of Kiev’s relatives who are trying to break out of totalitarian slavery into civilized Europe?



    Meanwhile
    The Israeli press, politicians, public figures, representatives of Jewish domestic and international communities express serious concern about the sharp outbreak of nationalism and anti-Semitism on the Maidan. Whether we are talking about the nationalist anti-Semitic statements of the leaders of the Svoboda party, whether we are talking about the appearance on the Maidan of young people in T-shirts with the inscription “Hit the Jews” or the theatrical performance on the Maidan, where an actor, apparently sympathizing with the nationalist Western Ukrainian circles, speaks in a satirical costume of a Jew, blaming the Jewish population for all the troubles of Ukraine, or about the beatings of representatives of the Jewish community - in any case, everyone notices and speaks out loud that nationalism and anti-Semitism in Ukraine have raised their heads since the aggravation of civil strife.
    T-shirts "Beat the Jews" on the Maidan. Concerns of Jewish communities in Ukraine and Israel

    Russian television of Israel ITON TV informs us that
    a large group of special services from the state of Israel arrived in Ukraine. Their task is to prepare the infrastructure and lists of Jews in case of urgent evacuation. Israel is making every effort to ensure that Jews living in the city and the republic (both Israeli citizens and citizens of other countries) are not affected if the events in the Ukrainian capital become uncontrollable.

    At one time - in August 1991 - the Israeli secret services also operated in Moscow. Then the evacuation of the Jews was not needed. The former head of the Israeli intelligence service Nativ, Yakov Kedmi, told Eton-TV about these events.
    link


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    2. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 15: 51
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      Alexander! It’s not you who accidentally wave the yellow ball in support of Kiev’s relatives who are trying to break out of totalitarian slavery into civilized Europe

      Stanislav, you read my comments and you know my position on this issue very well. I’m deep in the drum where Ukraine will turn its shafts. If only this did not affect the welfare of the wife’s parents and the quality of the fat.
      The rest - .. ... deleted by moderator Apollo
      I have enough of my troubles.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 26 January 2014 16: 01
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Stanislav, you read my comments and you know my position on this issue very well. I’m deep on the drum where Ukraine will turn its shafts

        No, well, you contradict yourself
        Quote: atalef
        If only this did not affect the welfare of the wife’s parents


        If Ukraine follows the path of Syrian chaos. Then you will have to accept your relatives in Israel
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 26 January 2014 16: 02
      +1
      Israeli agents operate on and around Maidan

  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 26 January 2014 11: 23
    +5
    Quote: makarov
    I don’t know, maybe in Israel there’s really a fueva mountain of Assad’s supporters,
    And where did you see Assad's supporters in Israel? Who's not sticking out in Israel? just remember the events a year ago.
    Israel unexpectedly intervened in the most bloody intra-Syrian conflict yesterday: its aircraft launched a powerful bombing attack on targets in Assad-controlled territory. At the same time, he intervened not only treacherously, since Syria did not provoke him in anything, but also trampled, like a filkin’s letter, the basic norms of international law.

    Read more: http://www.km.ru/world/2013/01/31/siriiskii-krizis/702888-zachem-izrail-vmeshals
    ya-vo-siriiskii-conflikt
    So, as this article is not appropriate, I don’t understand its meaning. Israel is head over heels in feces, starting with the Georgian conflict, and then God himself ordered the territory to be marked as a dog.
    1. Professor
      Professor 26 January 2014 12: 16
      0
      Quote: Sirocco
      Israel unexpectedly intervened in the most bloody intra-Syrian conflict yesterday: its aircraft launched a powerful bombing attack on targets in Assad-controlled territory.

      And material evidence found? That and that.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 26 January 2014 12: 46
        +4
        Good day, Oleg ... hi
        Quote: Professor
        And material evidence found?

        As for material evidence I will not say. Not been, did not collect, did not investigate. But those of your fellow tribesmen who have the honor of visiting the site and leaving comments on its pages were very, very happy about that circumstance (to say the same bombing) ...
        I think that they (who live on the Promised Land) know better whether it was or not, on the contrary ...
        But what do you personally think, Oleg — did the Israeli Air Force strike the targets in Assad-controlled territory or not? .. And if not, then why does official Tel Aviv not refute this information, and if it does, it is very sluggish and painful weak? ..
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 26 January 2014 13: 56
          +2
          Quote: Chicot 1
          But what do you personally think, Oleg — did the Israeli Air Force strike the targets in Assad-controlled territory or not? ..

          And in response, silence. Probably they shouldn't divulge military secrets.))) By the way, either via Skype or by correspondence on social networks, none of my friends will openly say that it is bad there (in Israel), but "at home" over a glass of tea you can learn a lot interesting. I wonder why is this so ????
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          2. atalef
            atalef 26 January 2014 14: 14
            +2
            Quote: Sirocco
            Quote: Chicot 1
            But what do you personally think, Oleg — did the Israeli Air Force strike the targets in Assad-controlled territory or not? ..

            And in response, silence. Probably they should not disclose military secrets.)))

            And you do not read the press. I think it's a fact even stupid to deny
            Quote: Sirocco
            By the way, that on skype, that by correspondence in social networks, none of my friends openly say that it’s bad there (in Israel)

            Maybe really not so bad. Familiar is what to lie. We do not put
            Quote: Sirocco
            but "at home" with a glass of tea you can learn a lot of interesting things. I wonder why is this so ????

            In general, someone like that, there is no ideal and in the wrong hands horseradish is always thicker.
            No one here holds anyone by force. The world is big - you can’t always dislike leaving. Selling an apartment in Israel - believe me you can buy anywhere.
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco 26 January 2014 15: 05
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              No one here holds anyone by force.
              So I’m talking about the same who will get settled, My acquaintance, who came from Israel, said that I had a housekeeper here, and there I became her, it is not for me to say this alignment.
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              2. atalef
                atalef 26 January 2014 15: 11
                0
                Quote: Sirocco
                So I’m talking about the same who will get settled, My acquaintance, who came from Israel, said that I had a housekeeper here, and there I became her, it is not for me to say this alignment.

                I understand that I did not have a housekeeper in the USSR. but there is. And the local one - it cleans up by the way remarkably, my Ukrainian wife is delighted with her and without a drink of coffee on the balcony and having a chat almost never lets go home.
                By the way, for general information. a normal housekeeper earns from 13 to 15 bucks an hour and try to find her again. Only on recommendation.
            2. Chicot 1
              Chicot 1 26 January 2014 15: 42
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              I think it's a fact even stupid to deny

              And nobody is going to deny it. At least I personally, but ... Dear Oleg (Professor) touched on the subject of certain material evidence related to the case (in his comment for 12:16) -
              Quote: Professor
              And material evidence found?

              So you already sort out in your own way there whether these same bombings were or were not there. And if they were, then what kind of material evidence should be in form and content? ..
              I wish you every success in this. Yours faithfully...
              1. Professor
                Professor 26 January 2014 15: 53
                +2
                Quote: Chicot 1
                So you already sort out in your own way there whether these same bombings were or were not there.

                Officially, we have neither confirmation nor denial. So there’s nothing to understand.

                Quote: Chicot 1
                And if they were, then what kind of material evidence should be in form and content? ..

                Real. For example the shank of a rocket or bomb.
                1. Chicot 1
                  Chicot 1 26 January 2014 19: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Officially, we have neither confirmation nor denial

                  Any event always has three versions - official, not official, and what really happened. So the lack of official confirmation-refutation absolutely does not mean anything ...
                  Quote: Professor
                  So there’s nothing to understand

                  On the contrary ... When some say - "it was", others say - "it was not," then I always say - "let's find out" ...
                  Quote: Professor
                  For example rocket or bomb shank

                  What if this turns out to be not enough, and you ask for the wreckage of a downed plane or a captured pilot (in this case, the pilot of the Israeli Air Force)? ..
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 26 January 2014 20: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    What if this is not enough

                    I think everything is much simpler here.
                    surely everyone knew whose hands this thing.
                    so they did not bother with evidence.

                    it’s like in the Patriotic War, no one sent fragments of German shells for examination, since it is so clear who released them.
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 26 January 2014 20: 52
                    -3
                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    So the lack of official confirmation-refutation absolutely does not mean anything ...

                    That's right, then there remains one version of -OBS.

                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    On the contrary ... When some say - "it was", others say - "it was not," then I always say - "let's find out" ...

                    When there are facts (rocket fragments, photos, videos ...) then we will find out, and this is similar to finding out if there is life on Mars.

                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    What if this turns out to be not enough, and you ask for the wreckage of a downed plane or a captured pilot (in this case, the pilot of the Israeli Air Force)? ..

                    ... or will they catch a living humanoid? wink
                    1. Chicot 1
                      Chicot 1 26 January 2014 21: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      That's right, then one version remains - OBS

                      It’s right, it may be right, but in this story I’m just interested in the absence of a refutation. After all, if there was no raid, why hide it? .. Is the Israeli leadership so afraid of not being believed? ..
                      Quote: Professor
                      When there are facts (rocket fragments, photos, videos ...) then we will find out, and so it looks like asking if there is life on Mars

                      It seems, like writing correctly, but ... Again everything rests in the absence of an official refutation ...
                      Quote: Professor
                      or will they catch a living humanoid?

                      Are all kinds of humanoids most directly related to the Air Force of the State of Israel? .. belay
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 26 January 2014 21: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: Chicot 1
                      It’s right, it may be right, but in this story I’m just interested in the absence of a refutation. After all, if there was no raid, why hide it? .. Is the Israeli leadership so afraid of not being believed? ..

                      Israel does not respond to every burp of neighbors. For example, two stories that official Jerusalem did not refute. So is that true?

                      1. Not so long ago, namely on December 6 last year, the governor of southern Sinai, Muhammad Awad al-Fadil Shusha, said in an interview with one of the local online publications that cannibal sharks attacking tourists off the coast of Sinai were probably launched by Israeli Mossad intelligence .

                      The information "miraculously found its confirmation" in a "photo report" from the secret waters of the Red Sea, where the insidious Mossad recruits sharks for service. Photos and comments to them speak for themselves.


                      2. "... in Saudi Arabia, an eagle was caught that flew from the territory of Israel. The Saudi special services took care of the bird, and after examining the feathered guest, they concluded that he was an" agent "of the Israeli foreign intelligence service Mossad. This conclusion was made on the basis of the fact that a GPS transmitter was found on the eagle, tail number X63, as well as a ring marked "Tel Aviv University ... but most of all the Saudis were concerned about the transmitter (pictured), which was mistaken for spy equipment. It was decided to "turn in" the bird for investigation by the state security service. "

                      Quote: Chicot 1
                      Are all kinds of humanoids most directly related to the Air Force of the State of Israel? ..

                      To the bombing of Syria. They, like the Israeli Air Force, were caught by the hand.
                    3. Chicot 1
                      Chicot 1 26 January 2014 22: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Israel does not respond to every burp of neighbors. For example, two stories that official Jerusalem did not refute. So is that true?

                      Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs ... These are two different things - sharks with birds and air strikes on the territory of a neighboring state ...
                      Quote: Professor
                      To the bombing of Syria

                      Here are the bastards! .. angry I'll tell you a secret, I never liked all these aliens ... wink
                      Quote: Professor
                      They, like the Israeli Air Force, were caught by the hand

                      For some reason, I remembered a simple dialogue from the movie "DMB" ...
                      -Do you see a gopher? ..
                      -No...
                      -And he is ...
                    4. saturn.mmm
                      saturn.mmm 26 January 2014 22: 11
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      For example, two stories that official Jerusalem did not refute. So is that true?

                      You have fun however. Isn't your by chance?
                    5. Professor
                      Professor 26 January 2014 22: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      You have fun however. Isn't your by chance?

                      Definitely Mossad. After all, there is no official refutation. laughing
                    6. And Us Rat
                      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 22: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      You have fun however. Isn't your by chance?

                      Of course !!! fellow Combat sabotage fish for biting bottom communication cables.
                      Chupacabra, by the way - is also the fruit of our geneticists, a psychological weapon wassat
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    2. Current 72
      Current 72 27 January 2014 03: 16
      0
      Atalef! So many did, sold, and left. Thinking Jews do that.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 26 January 2014 14: 24
    +3
    Quote: Sirocco
    By the way, either via Skype or by correspondence in social networks, none of my friends will openly say that it is bad there (in Israel), but "at home" over a glass of tea you can get a lot of interesting things. I wonder why is this so ????

    Because it is not request And "at home" over a glass of tea is whatever it would be so offensive for you, well, to maintain your reputation so to speak - "a Jew must complain" is a strategic goal laughing
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 26 January 2014 15: 07
      +3
      Quote: And Us Rat
      "a Jew must complain" is a strategic goal

      That's for sure, not in the eyebrow but in the eye, keep five !!! good
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: Sirocco
        Quote: And Us Rat
        "a Jew must complain" is a strategic goal

        That's for sure, not in the eyebrow but in the eye, keep five !!! good

        Sarcasm (Greek σαρκασμός, from σαρκάζω, literally “tear [meat]”) is one of the types of satirical accusation, stinging mockery, the highest degree of irony, based not only on the increased contrast of the implied and expressed, but also on the immediate intentional exposure of the implied.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 26 January 2014 16: 37
      +6
      Quote: And Us Rat
      "a Jew must complain" is a strategic goal


      In Russia they complained about the Jewish question and the fifth column, in Israel they are now discussing the "Russian question"

      Our position in Israel is the mirror position of the Jews in Russia. There we proudly called ourselves Jews and were proud of our belonging to the "chosen" people. But we were hysterically offended when others pointed out our Jewishness to us. When we received a newspaper with lists of state prize winners, we marked Jewish surnames in red pencil. But if we caught a representative of a different nationality doing this, we would immediately accuse him of anti-Semitism.

      One to one - our situation in Israel. We are proud to call ourselves "Russians", scrupulously counting how many "ours" are in this or that area. But as soon as representatives of other communities begin to do the same, we here accuse them of dislike of "Russians", racism and xenophobia.

      Meanwhile, two well-known "Russian" journalists believe that there are no more Russians left in Israel ...

      Russians in Israel no longer live!
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 26 January 2014 17: 08
        +6
        That's right, only Jews live in Israel - some are circumcised, while others are not. And the rest, a beautiful marquise .... bully
  • Professor
    Professor 26 January 2014 15: 02
    +4
    Quote: Chicot 1
    But those of your fellow tribesmen who have the honor of visiting the site and leaving comments on its pages were very, very happy about that circumstance (to say the same bombing) ..

    In response, I am only for myself and for my family and then only partially.

    Quote: Chicot 1
    But what do you personally think, Oleg — did the Israeli Air Force strike the targets in Assad-controlled territory or not? ..

    Personally, I would like to believe that the information about the destruction by Israel of Assad's air defense facilities that he tried to convey to the Hezbalons is true.

    Quote: Chicot 1
    And if not, then why does the official Tel Aviv not refute this Old, and if it does, it is very sluggish and painfully weak? ..

    There is no official Tel Aviv, there is official Jerusalem. It is there that government offices, parliament and the supreme court are located. So official Jerusalem never comments on such information. It does not refute and confirms.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 26 January 2014 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      In response, I am only for myself and for my family and then only partially

      I did not ask you to answer for them (they themselves will do this if they consider it necessary), nor for the leadership of Israel (which remains silent on this matter until now). I wanted to know your opinion about how you could be happy for whatever it was? .. And only that ...
      Quote: Professor
      Personally, I would like to believe that the information about the destruction by Israel of Assad's air defense facilities that he tried to convey to the Hezbalons is true

      I wonder how Assad was going to do this? .. And why did he want to transfer to someone (in this case "hezbalonam") weapons systems that he himself needs? .. Somehow it turns out not too logical, however ...
      Quote: Professor
      There is no official Tel Aviv, there is official Jerusalem

      I know. This is purely from old memory ...
      Quote: Professor
      So official Jerusalem never comments on such information. Does not refute and confirms

      ... and in which case it asks to provide "material evidence"...
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 January 2014 16: 09
        +1
        Quote: Chicot 1
        I wonder how Assad was going to do this? .. And why did he want to transfer to someone (in this case, the "Hezbalons") the weapons systems that he himself needs? .. Somehow it turns out not too logical, however ...

        In the same way as the Scud ballistic missiles. Assad’s motivation is not known to me, but I can assume that this is how he pays for the participation of Hezbalons in the Syrian civil war on his side.

        Quote: Chicot 1
        ... and in which case it asks to provide "material evidence" ...

        ... that is exactly what the presumption of innocence implies. Is not it? wink
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 26 January 2014 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          In the same way as Scud passed ballistic missiles

          Who? .. "Hizbolonam"? ..
          Quote: Professor
          I don’t know Assad’s motivation, but I can assume that this is how he pays for the participation of Hezbalons in the Syrian civil war.

          I also don’t know his motivation (although I must say that Assad Jr. is not stupid enough), but it’s much more practical to pay with money. Paleva is less ...
          Quote: Professor
          this is what presumption of innocence implies

          So, can this raid be considered a crime? .. wink
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 January 2014 20: 57
            0
            Quote: Chicot 1
            To whom? .. "Hezbolons"? ..

            Yeah, dear to them. Read the Nasrallah interview.

            Quote: Chicot 1
            I also don’t know his motivation (although I must say that Assad Jr. is not stupid enough), but it’s much more practical to pay with money. Paleva is less ...

            They paid the terrorists their convertible currency, that is, the one that matters to them most.

            Quote: Chicot 1
            So, can this raid be considered a crime? ..

            Of course. The very existence of the Israeli military is already a crime. However, as is the existence of Israel itself. Yes, and the Jews. Well, homosexuals. About the blacks already written? wink
            1. Chicot 1
              Chicot 1 26 January 2014 21: 16
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Yeah, dear to them

              That is, now Hezbola is armed with 9K72 Elbrus complexes (if I am not mistaken) ...
              Quote: Professor
              They paid the terrorists their convertible currency, that is, the one that matters to them most

              Wow, how confusing everything is ... And dollar dealers in the Middle East are now out of favor. Now everything is paid for by "Elbrus" and "Pechory" (or what kind of complex was Assad going to transfer as payment for services?) ...
              Quote: Professor
              Of course. The very existence of the Israeli military is already a crime. However, as is the existence of Israel itself. Yes, and the Jews. Well, homosexuals

              And you naively believe that with the help of homosexuals you are very witty withdrew from the answer? ..
              Quote: Professor
              About the blacks already written?

              No, but write. Moreover, without fail and be sure to write. Please be so kind ...
              1. Professor
                Professor 26 January 2014 21: 26
                0
                Quote: Chicot 1
                That is, now Hezbola is armed with 9K72 Elbrus complexes (if I am not mistaken) ...

                Nasrallah’s words can usually be trusted, though he didn’t say anything about the marking of missiles, but only about the performance characteristics.

                Quote: Chicot 1
                x you, how confusing everything is ... And dollars in the Middle East are now out of favor. Now everything is paid for by "Elbrus" and "Pechora" (or what kind of complex was Assad going to transfer as payment for services?) ...

                Firstly, Assad is strained with dollars, he spent them on the Shell and other glands. Secondly, Nasrallah will take in dollars so that then they can buy air defense systems in them at the supermarket? Got it, rest.

                Quote: Chicot 1
                No, but write. Moreover, without fail and be sure to write. Please be so kind.

                Be sure to write. Finish with the Jews and pass on to the blacks. wink
              2. Chicot 1
                Chicot 1 26 January 2014 21: 56
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Nasrallah's words can usually be trusted

                So the probability remains that it’s not always ...
                Quote: Professor
                the truth about the marking of missiles, he did not say anything

                Then where did everyone get the idea that it was Elbrus? ..
                Quote: Professor
                only about performance characteristics

                Ah yes, Nasrala "usually"believe ...
                Quote: Professor
                First, Assad has a lot of money with dollars, he spent them on Armor and other glands

                I do not know. I didn’t climb into his shovel ...
                Quote: Professor
                Nasrallah will take in dollars so that later they can buy air defense systems at them in the supermarket

                I do not think that the services of Nasral are so great that Assad decides to pay for them with the air defense systems that are so necessary for him now. For example, I would not. And you?..
                Quote: Professor
                Be sure to write. Finish with the Jews and pass on to the blacks

                Personally, I did not start about the Jews. So you can safely and without hesitate to switch to blacks right now ...
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 26 January 2014 20: 16
    +2
    Quote: Chicot 1
    were very pleased with that circumstance (to say the same bombing) ...
    I think that they (who live on the Promised Land) know better - was it or was it not on the contrary ..



    Of course it was. distant Syria does not have S-300PMU air defense systems at the request of Israeli workers who rejoice at the bombing. Back in May 2013
    Especially for negotiations with Vladimir Putin yesterday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu flew to Sochi. The purpose of his emergency visit is to convince Russia not to supply S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Syria

    Putin, Netanyahu and S-300
    The same was with the Yakhonts in 2010.
    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu personally appealed to his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin with a request to cancel the sale of modern P-800 Yakhont cruise missiles to Syria. Netanyahu believes Syrian Yakhonts could fundamentally change the balance of power in the eastern Mediterranean

    Israel asks to cancel sale of Russian P-800 Yakhont missiles to Syria
    Then they allegedly bombed the warehouses with these missiles so that Hezbollah wouldn’t get from Lebanon, because at the request of the working people, Syria still doesn’t have the S-300 capable of getting not only in Lebanon but also in Israel itself.
    Bombed.bombed five times no less And yet here's a bad luck, (ai wei helmet-jacks. Pots!) The components of Yakhont still ended up at Hezbollah. The screams, chef.sushi disappeared and where the poor Jew was again to go! crying
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 26 January 2014 20: 18
      +2
      The Wall Street Journal writes that, according to American intelligence, Hezbollah has 12 Yakhont missile launchers on Syrian territory.
      The publication notes that the militants store in Syrian warehouses not only parts of the Yakhont missiles, but also parts of some other systems designed to attack Israeli warplanes and ships.

      Russian Yakhont missiles fell into Hezbollah's hands
      And the title is what on the Israeli site Russian missiles "Yakhont". And why not the SYRIAN RUSSIAN PRODUCTION? A sample of hypocrisy. Immediately laid in the subcortex of the layman these terrible RUSSIAN ROCKETS at Hezbollah, then Russia is to blame. Russia did not obey and sold Assad missiles that would attack Israeli ships and aircraft.
      But no one at the same time wonders why Israeli planes fly in Lebanese airspace and what are Israeli ships going to do in the territorial waters of Lebanon and Syria?
      And here is the characteristic commentary on this article which the authors needed in the end

      Yaroslav ii(approx. a good nickname for anti-Russian vysers, directly Yarosvet in our training manual recommends such nicknames to them?) • 23 days ago 21:26
      Russia was the main enemy of Israel, is and will be for a very long time. Only Russia considers Hamas and Hezbollah not terrorists and has constant contacts with them. Almost all the weapons used to kill Israeli-made Israelis, moreover, Russia mainly gives weapons to the enemies of Israel, but does not sell.


      Bloody and treacherous Putin again na.. defenseless white and fluffy Netanyahu.
  • bya965
    bya965 26 January 2014 15: 19
    +3
    You are just like our president. Like, give the facts of corruption. I work in the field of science and education. The collapse is complete but I’m not able to prove exactly.
    In Russian, the highest military art is when the enemy thinks he has won.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 26 January 2014 16: 55
    +3
    The elimination of the rule of law in Syria will lead to enormous problems for Israel. fellow
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 26 January 2014 20: 23
    +1
    Quote: makarov
    I don’t know, maybe in Israel there really is a mountain of Assad’s supporters, but on the site, the sons of Zion spit on Assad and don’t say anything positive. Maybe they are waiting for an order from Tel Aviv ??? Or maybe faith does not allow ??


    What do you want? So that they pray for the health of Bashar Hafizovich? Israel should have a little head on its head and figure out who they need more in Syria - the bloody Assad or the innocent Alkaida.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 26 January 2014 07: 46
    +3
    Thus, by and large, in the Syrian confrontation, Israel wants victory on both sides.


    ISRAEL will not be able to sit aside.

    And an attempt to use the war in SYRIA for its own purposes is stupid, as you can sit on a barrel of gunpowder with a house burning nearby.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 09: 02
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech

      And an attempt to use the war in SYRIA for its own purposes is stupid, as you can sit on a barrel of gunpowder with a house burning nearby.

      Do not confuse the cause with the consequence, the war is already underway - regardless of our interests, but we are more like a player at the races - we can only bet, but not affect the horse.
      And about the barrel of gunpowder, but what do you suggest? Bomb both sides of an 3 meter into the ground? What the hell is this for us? What would they unite against us? Stupid.
      There is a good Chinese proverb - "sit on jo .. exactly, and next to the river will float the corpse of your enemy" wink
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 January 2014 10: 07
        +1
        And about the barrel of gunpowder, but what do you suggest?

        How can you look for co-creators among normal people - it is full of them in SYRIA, but what you offer is to sit on a barrel of gunpowder where any interested scumbag will try to bring up the wick (after all, it’s they who carry out periodic shelling of ISRAEL based on what you start to bomb hehe how do you put Assad's bloody regime)
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        2. atalef
          atalef 26 January 2014 11: 47
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          How to look for co-creators among normal people - they are full in SYRIA

          For you, maybe yes, for us, no. Syria attacked us 5 times, it’s stupid to ask us to wish them happiness and prosperity. Let yourself boil in your shit.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          because the periodic shelling of ISRAEL is carried out precisely in the expectation of the fact that you will start to bomb hehe as you express the Assad’s bloody regime)

          Yes, unlike many, we are able to separate the grains from the chaff. Or do you think we don’t understand who is in Syria and in the hope of trying to fire? Intelligence works - whoever shoots will receive it.
          1. Current 72
            Current 72 27 January 2014 03: 27
            -2
            Yes, you know how to separate from the chaff - shekels.
        3. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 January 2014 12: 34
          +5
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          ISRAEL shelling is carried out precisely by them, calculated on the fact that you will begin to bomb

          That’s why we don’t bomb, we will wait for the winner - and from there we will decide his fate.
          If moderate opposition wins - well, we will seek a partner for dialogue. If Assad wins, it’s also not bad, the pre-war status quo, a cold truce will return.
          If al-Qaeda wins, we will mix them with camel feces, and bring the new Assad to power.
          In the meantime ... let them figure it out ourselves, we treat their elderly, women and children in our hospitals, while this is above the roof - and so everyone screams that these women, old people and children are almost the founders of al-Qaeda and relatives of bin -laden.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 26 January 2014 12: 44
            +4
            For the saved women and children, thank you at least from me.

            There should not be divisions on the right and the guilty.
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 26 January 2014 13: 11
            +3
            Quote: And Us Rat
            That’s why we don’t bomb, we will wait for the winner - and from there we will decide his fate. If moderate opposition wins - well, we will seek a partner for dialogue. If Assad wins, it’s also good, the pre-war status quo, a cold truce will return. If al-Qaeda wins, we will mix them with camel feces, and bring the new Assad to power.

            - Tsilya, let's get divorced, I no longer have the strength to live like that!
            - No, Izya, he took the widow - a widow and leave ...
          3. Havoc
            Havoc 26 January 2014 13: 23
            +2
            And why not immediately help Assad and mix al-Qaeda with feces, because a bad peace with Assad is better than a good war with al-Qaeda.
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            2. atalef
              atalef 26 January 2014 13: 53
              +3
              Quote: Havoc
              And why not immediately help Assad and mix al-Qaeda with feces, because a bad peace with Assad is better than a good war with al-Qaeda.

              And why should Russia not send troops and not do this?
              Why should we lose our soldiers - what would Assad help? Let himself in his territory, his most advanced army, behind which all the people of Syria stand and fight. This is his war - it does not concern us.
              Do you think if we had similar problems Assad would have tied up for us? But I’m sorry, I forgot - because Assad created us similar problems.
            3. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 26 January 2014 14: 42
              0
              Quote: Havoc
              And why not immediately help Assad and mix al-Qaeda with feces, because a bad peace with Assad is better than a good war with al-Qaeda.

              Assad - for which he fought, he ran into something. Everything is natural, that’s what it eats with butter. request
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              2. atalef
                atalef 26 January 2014 14: 56
                +1
                Quote: And Us Rat
                Assad - for which he fought, he ran into something. Everything is natural, that's eating with oil

                Or without .... but eats.
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 09: 13
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      ISRAEL will not be able to sit aside.

      And the attempt to use the war in Syria for their own purposes is stupid, like

      Why? In general, even in the best dreams, this (3 years ago) could not have been expected. Sioia is fragmented, collapsed, without chemical weapons, for many years with internal conflict. Hamas is driven out, the palaces are fighting against Assad, the Sunnis are against the Alawites and Shiites.
      The threat from Syria is practically excluded. Starting this year, Israel ceases to issue / exchange gas masks (spending tens of millions on it). Why is that bad?
      Well, when they (bandyuganov) climb to us (although for some reason the Russians are sure that they will go to Russia) somehow you can deal with them (before that they also managed) --- generally, you need to worry about troubles as they arrive.
      And do not use it for your own purposes - why? To us, what was Assad a sculpted friend once?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 January 2014 10: 15
        +5
        The threat from Syria is practically excluded.


        Hallelujah to your words, I have vague doubts

        that ISRAEL had a hand in the massacre in Syria (although there is no evidence, but there is your motive).

        Yes, I agree, the military machine of Israel is able to cope with many threats.
        But the future of ISRAEL through such a policy will not be calm.
        In your place, it is necessary to create allied regimes around ISRAEL, and attracting ASAD to your side using the current situation in SYRIA is more insightful than hammered the country into the Stone Age using blind corpses.
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        2. atalef
          atalef 26 January 2014 11: 55
          +3
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          that ISRAEL had a hand in the massacre in Syria (although there is no evidence, but there is your motive).

          Stupidity, they cope well without us - with the help of best friends (Saudi and Qatar) Arabs generally always loved to spread rot
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          In your place you need to create allied regimes around ISRAEL

          At peace with Egypt, Jordan - Assad and Lebanon remained. Well, Assad was offered more than once - even with the condition of the return of the Golan - he did not want to, his private affair. This does not bother us at all.
          Yes, and what Assad is an ally - especially now, a driven lame horse, which in general is not clear whether she herself will die, or will be allowed to sausage, or made to be stuffed.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          than to ramp up the country in the Stone Age using the blind scumbags-corpses.

          Leave your nonsense. it is not Assad’s ability to control this kodla that is easiest to blame on the machinations of Israel. We are equally disgusted that alone. that the other and the longer they will wet each other - the better for us. We are neutral - we have no one to fight for
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 26 January 2014 12: 08
            +2
            and with LEBANON what problems?

            and I’m wondering under what conditions ISRAEL was going to give GOALS — what kind of fool are you holding me to (see how the territory of ISRAEL has grown - and I think ISRAEL will not stop there)

            Well, as for my stupidities, I will say this is not the ability of ISRAEL to cope with the resistance of the Palestinians, you can blame Iran, Al Qaeda and Marsian in addition.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 26 January 2014 12: 19
              +7
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              and I’m wondering under what conditions ISRAEL was going to give GOALS, you


              In my opinion, Israel will surrender the Golan Heights to Syria but only in exchange for comprehensive peace treatyIt is no secret that Syria and Israel are still at war.
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 12: 40
                +1
                Quote: Apollon
                Israel will surrender the Golan Heights to Syria but only in exchange for a comprehensive peace treaty.

                It is unlikely that the Sinai Peninsula was surrendered - now rockets fly from there from time to time.
                Around 19: 10 Residents of Eilat heard two powerful explosions. Two rockets exploded in wastelands near the city. There were no injuries and no destruction, IDF and police forces combed the neighborhood in search of the remnants of missiles.
                About a month ago, a rocket was also launched in the direction of Eilat. The security services discovered it five days after the launch. Then there were also no injuries and destruction.
                Eilat has recently been regularly bombarded from the Sinai Peninsula. In August, one of the missiles launched in the city was shot down by a Kipat Barzel battery ..
                In April, one of the missiles launched on Eilat exploded near a residential quarter in the city.
                In the past, radical Islamist groups operating on the Sinai Peninsula claimed responsibility for shelling Eilat.

                Belief in the Arab guarantees and obligations collapsed completely, they have no words, they even do not know how to maintain an elementary order at home.
            2. Professor
              Professor 26 January 2014 12: 21
              +5
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              and I’m wondering under what conditions ISRAEL was going to give GOALS — what kind of fool are you holding me to (see how the territory of ISRAEL has grown - and I think ISRAEL will not stop there)

              And how did it grow? Before the 1980s, it reached the Suez Canal, and now where is the Sinai Peninsula?

              The return conditions were simple: Golan in return for the full normalization of relations. Just. But Assad demanded that the Golan be returned first (precondition), and then negotiate ...
              1. Same lech
                Same lech 26 January 2014 12: 25
                +1
                And what of this, the Japanese offer us the same thing in exchange for peace. (Kuril Islands)
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 January 2014 12: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: The same Lech
                  And what of this, the Japanese offer us the same thing in exchange for peace. (Kuril Islands)

                  Russia and Japan have normalized for a long time and this despite the fact that the islands of Japan have not been returned.
    3. Lelek
      Lelek 26 January 2014 17: 20
      +4
      There is such an anecdote. The Jew scolds his wife for fucking a neighbor, in response she reprimands him for fucking a secretary. The husband explains: “when you give it is US e ..., and when it is given to me, it is WE e…. It is very similar to the current position of the Israeli establishment. bully
  • Angry reader
    Angry reader 26 January 2014 07: 49
    +5
    Until the excess of passionate population is chopped into "cabbage", they will not calm down. "..Who are we friends against? .." fellow
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 26 January 2014 08: 17
    +4
    In tactical terms, for Israel in the current civil war in Syria, the victory of the Bashar al-Assad regime is beneficial for a very simple reason:
    The reason is clear, someone must finish off this beast that has been dug in Syria. The country is ruined, in ruins, and her hands will be occupied, not up to the threes with Israel. Now Israel needs to take up Iran, bring it to the same state and you can live in peace. These photos from Syria Aleppo 10 January 70 people executed.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 09: 16
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      Now Israel needs to take up Iran, bring it to the same state and you can live in peace

      Israel will not do anything with Iran (and I have been writing this for a couple of years) - not in our power. If Assad falls in Syria, Iran itself will clean up (Iran is neither a country of BV). Anyway, Israel is Iran by and large on the drum. his rhetoric against Israel - only to strengthen his status and advance his interests in the hating Sunni world
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 26 January 2014 09: 20
        -1
        Quote: atalef
        Israel will not do anything with Iran (and I have been writing this for a couple of years) - not in our power.

        Not quite right, it’s enough power, it just has to be justified, there’s no point in hammering a screw with a sledgehammer.
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 26 January 2014 09: 29
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Israel will not do anything with Iran (and I have been writing this for a couple of years) - not in our power.
        Do not be shy, Alexander))) Your strength in the ability to manipulate the governments of different countries, in the interests of Israel, is your best weapon!)) The Diaspora is our everything
        Quote: atalef
        If Assad falls in Syria - Iran will clean himself
        Where? from BV? so he
        Quote: atalef
        (Iran is neither a country of BV).

        Quote: atalef
        Anyway, Israel is Iran by and large on the drum. his rhetoric against Israel - only to strengthen his status and advance his interests in the hating Sunni world
        I disagree with this assertion that on the drum, the confrontation here has ancient roots dating back centuries. It’s just like the British and French, Germans and Slavs, Japanese and Koreans and Chinese. Iran’s rhetoric is just an echo of this confrontation.
        And from me, one question for you personally, are you by any chance not a Chechen?
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 January 2014 12: 01
          +5
          Quote: bomg.77
          Do not be shy, Alexander))) Your strength in the ability to manipulate the governments of different countries, in the interests of Israel, is your best weapon!)) The Diaspora is our everything

          So what? In your opinion, success is achieved only by waving a sledgehammer? The fact that they hear us, listen to us and we achieve a lot through diplomatic ways speaks volumes. In general, they listen to the strong, they wipe their feet against the weak

          Quote: bomg.77
          Where? from BV? so he

          Iran is not a BV country, however much you would like to. Turkey, Cyprus and Greece are much closer to BV than Iran, but you will not call these countries BV countries. Generally learn geography
          Quote: bomg.77
          And from me, one question for you personally, are you by any chance not a Chechen?

          Sorry, is it really that the people’s roof is on, Am I a Chechen? belay
          You can at least understand the course of your thoughts leading to this conclusion laughing
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 26 January 2014 12: 22
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            So what?
            Nothing! I answered what you say
            Quote: atalef
            Israel will do nothing with Iran (and I’ve been writing this for a couple of years) - not in our power.

            Quote: atalef
            Iran is not a country of BV
            I know this without you, if you did not understand sarcasm and humor, you do not need to include a mentor tone
            Quote: atalef
            . Generally learn geography
            I doubt that you know her better than me.
            Quote: atalef
            Sorry, is it really that the people’s roof is on, Am I a Chechen?
            Okay, I rephrase the question, otherwise I'm looking at your association ((
            Chechens (Chechens) is a nickname that has taken root in the IDF.

            In general, at first we had the call sign “Ballerina”, after he became known to the general public from both sides of the front line, we changed it to “Atalef”, that is, “Bat”. And our emblem is a bat sitting on the eyepiece of an optical sight. We communicate with each other by the callsign “Atalef1”, “Atalef2”, etc.
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            2. atalef
              atalef 26 January 2014 12: 41
              +6
              Quote: bomg.77
              Okay, I rephrase the question, otherwise I'm looking at your association ((

              You mean the battalion * Aliya * - sorry, I didn’t understand. They were really called Chechens because the bulk of the former officers who fought in Chechnya. The IDFs were mostly snipers - they crushed Gaza for several months. The truth is not entirely conventional methods (first shot - then asked permission). The battalion fought along with Givati, has now been disbanded - who is in the instructors. who is just in civilian life. They only go to reservist fees. (My friend served there) In general, Atalef is a bat.
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 26 January 2014 13: 06
                0
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: bomg.77
                Okay, I rephrase the question, otherwise I'm looking at your association ((

                You mean the battalion * Aliya * - sorry, I didn’t understand. They were really called Chechens because the bulk of the former officers who fought in Chechnya. The IDFs were mostly snipers - they crushed Gaza for several months. The truth is not entirely conventional methods (first shot - then asked permission). The battalion fought along with Givati, has now been disbanded - who is in the instructors. who is just in civilian life. They only go to reservist fees. (My friend served there) In general, Atalef is a bat.
                As I understand it, you are not them. I was embarrassed by your Avatar, I thought, symbolism and all that! hi Write an article about them, I think it will be interesting to everyone. to read.
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                2. atalef
                  atalef 26 January 2014 13: 07
                  +3
                  Quote: bomg.77
                  Here, write an article about them, it will be interesting to read. Okay, the error came out

                  It happens , hi
                  Created in 2002. Contrary to popular belief, it is not a reservist battalion of the Israeli army. The official name is Social Movement Against Terror and Violence Battalion "Aliya".

                  It unites former professional military, including from elite units, the Soviet, and later the Russian and other CIS armies, repatriated to Israel. In 2002, it united about 378 former Soviet and Russian officers, of which 80% were aged about 40 years. Among them are snipers, dog handlers, doctors, special forces soldiers, paratroopers and specialists of other military branches.

                  The battalion created armed patrols to protect the settlements from terrorist attacks, volunteer units in the police, involved in both public order policing and special operations. In 2003-2004, from the number of volunteers of the “Aliya” battalion, a special-purpose sniper unit “Carmel Yarok” was created, which took part in military operations in the Gaza Strip. [1]

                  In 2006, the battalion numbered about 1 thousand volunteers, former professional soldiers. According to some reports, the volunteers of the “Aliya” battalion (from the special forces of the “Carmel Yarok” unit) took part in the Lebanese campaign. [2] [3] The battalion's commander is Roman Ratner, a former Soviet officer who fought in Afghanistan (1979-1989), who repatriated to Israel from Belarus in 1992.

                  In the Israel Defense Forces, the Aliya battalion was nicknamed "Chechenim" ("Chechens") [4]. The battalion was disbanded in July 2006

                  I will find time, I will write an article. (more precisely, for the sake of cunning - the scribbler of me is still the one)
              2. Current 72
                Current 72 27 January 2014 03: 41
                -1
                That's right, you fired modern weapons against the clubs and stones of the Gaza Strip. Just like you boast that you shoot down their homemade, antediluvian missiles with your perfect Iron Dome. And what would have happened if the Palestinians had the same weapons like Israel. Because it was YOU who forbade them to have modern weapons.
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        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 26 January 2014 12: 52
          +1
          Quote: bomg.77
          The Diaspora is our everything

          I absolutely agree that world Jewry can be compared to an octopus - Israel is the torso, and the numerous diasporas settled in the ruling circles of different countries are Tentacles, with the help of which world Jewry influences the situation in the world. hi
          1. And Us Rat
            And Us Rat 26 January 2014 13: 15
            +6
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I absolutely agree that world Jewry can be compared to an octopus - Israel is the torso, and the numerous diasporas settled in the ruling circles of different countries are Tentacles, with the help of which world Jewry influences the situation in the world.

            laughing laughing laughing
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 January 2014 15: 01
              +1
              Quote: And Us Rat
              laughing laughing laughing

              One way to obscure the truth is to ridicule it, to bring the idea to an absurdity, so that it seems incredible. Type - the world is ruled by Jews, descendants of reptilians. The bulk perceives this as nonsense only because an association with aliens is being conducted. In life, everything is much more prosaic. hi
              1. And Us Rat
                And Us Rat 26 January 2014 15: 08
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                One way to obscure the truth is to ridicule it, to bring the idea to an absurdity, so that it seems incredible.

                It is impossible to trap the truth - only a full down, not familiar with logic, or an outspoken lecimer will argue with the truth when IT IS CONFIRMED BY FACTS.
                And with idiotic conspiracy theories - there is no point in fighting otherwise, falling to serious disputes - you give them weight. bully
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 26 January 2014 17: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: And Us Rat
                  It is impossible to trap the truth - only a full down, not familiar with logic, or an outspoken lecimer will argue with the truth when IT IS CONFIRMED BY FACTS.

                  You alternate the truth with outright delirium - and serve non-stop in a serious tone, and everything, a layer cake is perceived as a whole dish. the proportions of truth and delirium depend on what you want to do, blur the truth, or justify the delirium. On TV, this technique is used everywhere and constantly. hi
                  1. And Us Rat
                    And Us Rat 27 January 2014 00: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    You alternate the truth with outright delirium - and serve non-stop in a serious tone, and everything, a layer cake is perceived as a whole dish. the proportions of truth and delirium depend on what you want to do, blur the truth, or justify the delirium.


                    And here is a good example:
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    I absolutely agree that world Jewry can be compared to an octopus - Israel is the torso, and the numerous diasporas settled in the ruling circles of different countries are Tentacles, with the help of which world Jewry influences the situation in the world.
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          3. atalef
            atalef 26 January 2014 13: 38
            +5
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I absolutely agree, world Jewry can be compared to an octopus

            Igoryanich, compare with squid, he has 10 of them (feet in the sense)
            And in general
            The animal, which has a record number of legs, and has 750 of them, can also make silk "clothes" for itself. A transparent species called Illacme plenipes that lives in the hazy, oak-woodlands of Silicon Valley south of San Francisco, California.]

            I understood where he lives. In California, and even all in silk. laughing tongue
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Israel is the torso

            In general, smart Jews live in America and love Israel from a distance laughing , tell me how smart he will plow in this heat (12 aces each). to serve in the Army until the age of 45, and to serve all these nonsense - such as Israel is the root of evil. laughing

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The tentacles with which world Jewry affects the world.

            Tentacles - from the word to feel. laughing
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 January 2014 14: 51
              0
              Quote: atalef
              In general, smart Jews live in America and love Israel from a distance

              I didn’t think you were so self-critical. laughing It seems that Soviet education was at its best ...
            2. Rider
              Rider 26 January 2014 15: 03
              0
              Quote: atalef
              In general, clever Jews live in America and love Israel at a laughing distance, well, tell me how clever he will plow in this heat (12 aces each). to serve in the Army until the age of 45, and to serve all these nonsense - such as Israel is the root of evil


              Bravo atalef !!!
              not, without any irony - bravo!
              you have comprehended the meaning of the existence of Mr. Israel.
              be the cause of the following article reporters - Holocaust 2

              once again - bravo

              shake your hand.
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              2. atalef
                atalef 26 January 2014 15: 07
                0
                Quote: Rider
                Bravo atalef !!! not, without any irony - bravo! You grasped the meaning of the existence of Mr. Israel

                Of course, a very long time. Maybe not the smartest, but truly loving their country live here.
                Quote: Rider
                shake your hand

                Shake Aksakalu. He clearly applauds you.
                1. Rider
                  Rider 26 January 2014 15: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Of course, a very long time. Maybe not the smartest, but truly loving their country live here.

                  that's atalef
                  (here I am absolutely serious right now)
                  it is the patriots and just good people who die in the war first because they are not used to hiding behind other people's backs.
                  but those who make gesheft, as a rule, manage to make legs, or even live in another country.

                  that is why I was so surprised by your insight.
                  well, now (hopefully) you will look at a lot differently.
                  and stop wishing the neighbors extermination, because the next (quite possibly) find yourself.

                  good luck.
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                  2. atalef
                    atalef 26 January 2014 15: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Rider
                    that's why I was so surprised by your insight. well, now (hopefully) you will look at a lot differently.

                    I’m too late in my 45s to change my beliefs. this is what I thought and said always

                    Quote: Rider
                    and stop wishing the neighbors extermination, because the next (quite possibly) find yourself.

                    I wish Syria alone that they would first of all leave us alone. and it will not rust us to forget them. as if they never existed at all
                    Quote: Rider
                    good luck.

                    And you hi
                    1. Rider
                      Rider 26 January 2014 15: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      I wish Syria alone that they would first of all leave us alone.

                      tell the leadership of the tzahal air force before it decides AGAIN to bomb the neighbors
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                      2. atalef
                        atalef 26 January 2014 15: 44
                        +2
                        Quote: Rider
                        Quote: atalef
                        I wish Syria alone that they would first of all leave us alone.

                        tell the leadership of the tzahal air force before it decides AGAIN to bomb the neighbors

                        Tell Assad that he wouldn’t pass weapons to Hezbollah. After all, he was warned. Does not understand apparently.
                        By the way, how do air defense missiles and Yakhonts (destroyed by Israel) influence the war with the SSA or El Qaeda? Do they already have the Air Force and Navy?
                      3. Rider
                        Rider 26 January 2014 16: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        Tell Assad that he wouldn’t pass weapons to Hezbollah. After all, he was warned

                        did not hear about this
                        can you bring the FACTS?
                        (here I will be likened to Uv Prof)
                        Prove it!
                        Quote: atalef
                        Do they already have the Air Force and Navy?

                        but you have it, because your Air Force is delivering "preventive" strikes.
                        do not you think that EACH state has the right to have means to protect its borders?
                        you are not going to bomb the USA for the fact that they have the same 7
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 26 January 2014 10: 19
      +2
      If Assad falls in Syria - Iran itself will be cleaned up (Iran is neither a country of BV).

      Do not tell my slippers - IRAN is a regional power in this region and will lose its status only if it is in the position of IRAQ.
      1. alone
        alone 26 January 2014 11: 02
        +6
        Leh, open the map and see where Iran is and where Israel is. Assad’s fall means for Iran the loss of the thread that connects Iran with Hezbollah. And without Iran, hezbollah cannot stand a year. Starting from finances, ending with arming Hezbollah, it is provided by Iran, and Syria once played a transshipment point. so the Israelis are right in this matter. That’s why Iran also defends Assad so much.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 26 January 2014 11: 33
          +1
          The map is just a plan of the area no more than that - take the same ISRAEL has its own lobes and agents around the world.

          The problem of IRAN is that it relies only on military force in its region, but we need to use other instruments of influence as well, we don’t have to go far as an example — we will take the current UKRAINE (which uses all methods of non-military intervention in the affairs of a sovereign country)
          1. alone
            alone 26 January 2014 11: 42
            +4
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            The problem of IRAN is that it relies only on military force in its region, but it would be necessary to use other instruments of influence as well, for example, do not go far — take the current UKRAINE


            Iran’s problem is that Iran wants too much to export Islamic revolutionary nonsense to all Muslim countries. Iran sticks its head where nobody needs it with its advice and instructions. That’s its main problem. These mullocrates are already tired of everyone with his morals, which is not even respected in his own country. Iran speaks of Islamic solidarity. But recalls this solidarity only when he needs it. That’s why the countries of the region keep him at a distance.
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 26 January 2014 11: 55
              +2
              Iran sticks its head to where no one needs it with its advice and instructions.

              But OMAR, let Russia and UKRAINE with their instructions and threats climb everyone who is not too lazy - starting from Prince BANDAR and ending with Baltic fools - which of this is not for us to bomb them.

              Of course, Iran does not fit into the democratic Procrustean bed; therefore, from the point of view of Western values, it is subject to circumcision of the head.

              And then, why one can carry bright democratic ideals

              on TOMAHAWK why IRAN should not carry its ideals in a slightly different way.
              The world is multipolar, but the stake on convincing people is made on military force - alas, this is reality.
              1. alone
                alone 26 January 2014 12: 07
                +6
                Alexey, they climb, and you shouldn't interfere with the issues on which others are coming to you, and the issues that Iran is climbing. Iran is trying to export its Shiite revolution to the countries where Sunnis live. That is the reason that people in the region do not like Iran. One simple example. The other day there was an article by Gromova, about how Iran was left unsuccessful from the Geneva-2 conference. Everyone here began to curse everyone in chorus. We started with the SA, smoothly moved on to Turkey, then to Europe and settled on the "Chinese" Pan Ki Mune)) some do not even know that he is Korean. And the author of the article did not consider it necessary to write why Iran was left behind.

                Iran did not accept the final statement of the Geneva-1 conference. Failure to accept the final statement means an automatic exit from the negotiation process if there are next rounds. How can one demand joining the next round if the results of the first are not accepted? And if Iran is for peace and tranquility in Syria, so what do you care about Iran’s document, which was accepted by the authorities and the opposition.
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 26 January 2014 12: 23
                  0
                  Well, ELENA GROMOVA is not a professional observer of events in the world, and therefore writes as she wants, which, however, is excusable, because we see her punctures right away.

                  Yes, the IRANIAN authorities do not calculate the consequences of their actions, but on the other hand I do not see the other’s desire for peace, the on-duty phrases of the Saudis and US diplomats are already sore, in reality they are aimed at a war where all means are good and in this regard they are no better IRAN.
                2. supertiger21
                  supertiger21 26 January 2014 14: 05
                  +1
                  There is nothing surprising in the fact that Iran did not accept the terms, no, because no one made any conditions for the other participants in the conference, and they treated Iran in a special way, from the very beginning the Americans planned such a provocation, if only the Iranians were not at the conference. They achieved this.
                  1. alone
                    alone 26 January 2014 17: 54
                    +1
                    Quote: supertiger21
                    There is nothing surprising in the fact that Iran did not accept the terms, no, because no one made any conditions for the other participants in the conference, and they treated Iran in a special way, from the very beginning the Americans planned such a provocation, if only the Iranians were not at the conference. They achieved this.


                    Did I write in Chinese? The remaining negotiators adopted a statement following the results of the Geneva-1 meeting. Everyone except Iran. How can I participate in the negotiations if the results of the first round are considered unacceptable? Can you answer such a question?
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          3. atalef
            atalef 26 January 2014 12: 02
            0
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            The map is just a plan of the area no more, take the same PM.

            Not only
  • Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 26 January 2014 08: 21
    +4
    If Israel wants the victory of the Opposition, then it simply must openly wish in the media to destroy the Opposition.
    If Israel wants Assad’s victory, then he simply must openly desire in the media to destroy Assad.
    Everything is simple and effective.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 09: 11
      0
      Quote: BlackMokona
      If Israel wants the victory of the Opposition, then it simply must openly wish in the media to destroy the Opposition.
      If Israel wants Assad’s victory, then he simply must openly desire in the media to destroy Assad.
      Everything is simple and effective.

      Is this for someone a revelation? belay
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 26 January 2014 11: 55
        0
        Imagine. yes
  • 31231
    31231 26 January 2014 09: 05
    +1
    Gelman ?! No, have not heard. Perelman and Wasserman heard.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 09: 08
      +3
      Quote: 31231
      Gelman ?! No, have not heard. Perelman and Wasserman heard.

      You need to read more tongue The horizons are not grass; they themselves are not growing. laughing
      1. 31231
        31231 26 January 2014 17: 46
        0
        But isn’t he writing for Russian-speaking Jews of Israel ?! Although I am Russian-speaking, I am not a Jew and not in Israel.
  • Name
    Name 26 January 2014 09: 20
    0
    "... for Israel in the current civil war in Syria, the victory of the regime of Bashar al-Assad is beneficial ..."- the latest news confirms this, although such a sharp change in political course, but "the east is a delicate matter, that's why everything is torn there" ...

    Israel may abandon its policy of neutrality in relation to the civil war in Syria, a source in the Israeli security forces told AR. The reason for the likely change in political course lies in the strengthening of al-Qaeda in the neighboring country. An Israeli source said that the terrorists intend to attack the Jewish state after the victory over the regime of President Bashar al-Assad. According to him, lately al-Qaeda militants have fired rockets from Lebanon in northern Israel at least twice. see http: //www.newsru.co.il/mideast/25jan2014/syria8001.html
  • kush62
    kush62 26 January 2014 09: 38
    0
    Speaking on the Dozhd TV channel after the terrorist attacks in Volgograd, Filatov emphasized ......

    My opinion (I do not impose), but not such channels appear to normal people.
  • Selendis
    Selendis 26 January 2014 09: 43
    +2
    the result of the article - re-aware of the situation in Syria with a point played by the Jews)
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 26 January 2014 10: 11
    +6
    Thus, by and large, in the Syrian confrontation, Israel wishes victory for both sides.

    This is the essence of Zionism in all its glory.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 January 2014 11: 12
      +3
      to the topic DO NOT TALK OUT!

      I believe that the Israeli government has chosen the most appropriate policy regarding Syria, namely the policy of non-intervention.
      1. Israel’s intervention policy would violate Syria’s sovereign rights.
      2. If the Israeli government took the position of one of the warring parties, this would automatically lead to the accusation of him, the other of the parties.
      3. Of course, the civil war in Syria is undesirable for Israel. For the simple reason that a worse world is better than a blazing fire on the border.
      4: The most important thing, the direct military intervention of Israel in the internal clashes in Syria, will blow up the Arab world and, moreover, will direct all the forces of the conflicting parties already against Israel.

    2. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 January 2014 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: samoletil18
      This is the essence of Zionism in all its glory.

      In what? That we do not agree to help either side (when both wish us death)? Well, of course, you probably would have rushed into the embrasures for Wahhabi fanatics who want your family to die, or for a fascist dictatorship that finances other fanatics who want your family dead.

      Here it is the essence of anti-Semitic duplicity and hypocrisy in all its glory. negative
    3. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 14: 55
      +1
      Quote: samoletil18
      This is the essence of Zionism in all its glory.

      Well, you haven’t seen anything like this in Syria at the barricades, are you a Zionist?
  • Same lech
    Same lech 26 January 2014 11: 46
    0
    Apollon does not agree - we all heard the threats of the militants - after sorting out with Assad they will go to war in ISRAEL.
    And the statement by the Israelis that they will ram the militants on the asphalt seems naive, I must say that there are no fools among the jihadists and al-Qa'idas — they will fight with ISRAEL by their own rules, which means that there will be no fighting like ALLEPO.
    And there will be endless shelling with the latest weapons and more cruel terrorist attacks, so that the war from Syria will smoothly move to the border and territory of ISRAEL.

    Moreover, I believe the fall of ASADA is a direct threat to our security - the likelihood of new terrorist attacks in VOLGOGRAD will increase sharply for well-known reasons.
    1. alone
      alone 26 January 2014 11: 52
      +5
      Do you think the militants themselves decide where to go? The militants if they sort out Assad, go to Lebanon to deal with Hezbollah, to Iraq to sort out Al-Maliki (by the way, they are already in Iraq), they can go to Iran (in the eastern regions fights are periodically taking place with Wahhabi detachments). fighters, although ferocious, but they know that Israel will not stand on ceremony with them. The Israeli army, its equipment and capabilities are completely different from the Syrian army. So do not believe what the militants say. The East is delicate. Periodically speaking about Israel, the militants simply pull back on their side part of the population who crave revenge for defeats from Israel. Politics Lech, politics. be damned))
      1. supertiger21
        supertiger21 26 January 2014 14: 18
        0
        Quote: lonely
        Do you think the militants themselves decide where to go? The militants if they sort out Assad, go to Lebanon to deal with Hezbollah, to Iraq to sort out Al-Maliki (by the way, they are already in Iraq), they can go to Iran (in the eastern regions fights are periodically taking place with Wahhabi detachments). fighters, although ferocious, but they know that Israel will not stand on ceremony with them. The Israeli army, its equipment and capabilities are completely different from the Syrian army. So do not believe what the militants say. The East is delicate. Periodically speaking about Israel, the militants simply pull back on their side part of the population who crave revenge for defeats from Israel. Politics Lech, politics. be damned))


        It should be borne in mind that the militants do not represent a single organism. Each tribe is fighting for "its idea." And they are united only in that they all want to overthrow Assad, while they are simultaneously fighting among themselves. If Assad loses (which is unlikely) , then the "winners" will first of all divide the "Syrian pie" among themselves. And some of the groups will get more, and other groups will go against it. But Assad must take this fact into account for his possible gain, for it is easier to strangle everyone " wolf cub one by one "than to fight against the whole" pack ". I think it would be more correct for him to start concentrating most of his forces against one of the groups (for example, against the" United State of Iraq and the Levant "), and after a complete victory over one, start" choke "others.
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 January 2014 14: 22
          +1
          Quote: supertiger21
          .If Assad loses (which is unlikely)

          You can forget about Assad. he has no future.
          Quote: supertiger21
          ), the "winners" will first of all divide the "Syrian pie" among themselves.

          But I agree with everything that follows
          Quote: supertiger21
          ". I think it would be more correct for him to start concentrating most of his forces against one of the groups (for example, against the" United State of Iraq and the Levant "), and after a complete victory over one, start" strangling "the others.

          He has neither the strength nor the means to do this. In Syria, a long war with a religious component.
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 January 2014 14: 55
            0
            Quote: atalef
            You can forget about Assad. he has no future.


            Not entirely true. Over the past almost 3 years of the war, Assad has regained some of the confidence of the people. The Syrian forces have succeeded in driving the militants into the cities, and with a 50% probability it can be said that Assad will win.


            Quote: atalef
            He has neither the strength nor the means to do this. In Syria, a long war with a religious component.


            Maybe there is no strength to fight with everyone at the same time. But to concentrate all the power on some of the barbarians there is. It is necessary to "gnaw" each of them one by one, and then Assad's victory can become real.
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            2. atalef
              atalef 26 January 2014 15: 04
              +1
              Quote: supertiger21
              Not quite right. For the last almost 3 years of the war

              The war is only 3 years old, they are both the first and the last

              Quote: supertiger21
              , Assad again regained some of the confidence of the people

              What did you decide? And if you returned. why was she lost?
              Quote: supertiger21
              Syrian troops succeed in driving militants into cities

              Generally succeed - driving out of the cities
              Quote: supertiger21
              and with a 50% probability it can be argued that Assad will win

              A probability of 50% means exactly the same probability that it won’t win
              - don't you find?
              Quote: supertiger21
              There may not be the strength to fight with all at the same time, but in order to concentrate all power on some of the barbarians

              So win the wars?
              Quote: supertiger21
              It is necessary to "gnaw" each of them one by one, and then Assad's victory can become real

              Georgians scored a witch, well, they’re coming, they are carrying it. To meet American tourists:
              - What, grizzly? Georgians in response:
              - Yes net, so with his daggers
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 26 January 2014 16: 54
                0
                Quote: atalef
                What did you decide? And if you returned. why was she lost?


                And where did you get the idea that confidence is again lost?

                Quote: atalef
                Generally succeed - driving out of the cities


                I meant that the enemy was blocked at different points. And that now the militants are unlikely to be able to stick out of them. They are caught and can no longer break through (for sure).

                Quote: atalef
                So win the wars?


                And do you think the Third Reich, Italy and Japan fell in 1944-1945? In a similar way! Only it was on a larger scale than the war in Syria.


                Quote: atalef
                Georgians scored a witch, well, they’re coming, they are carrying it. At the meeting, American tourists: - What, grizzly? Georgians in response: - Yes, no, his daggers


                I support your humor! drinks An interesting joke!
              2. alone
                alone 26 January 2014 20: 33
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Georgians scored a witch, well, they’re coming, they are carrying it. To meet American tourists:
                - What, grizzly? Georgians in response:
                - Yes net, so with his daggers


                Yes, by the way, how would Alaverdi!
                An experienced hunter teaches young hunters how to fill up bears.
                - as soon as you see a bear, take a warm r ... but throw it into his eyes, and then shoot him.
                Everyone nods their heads intelligently, and one of the young ones asks:
                -Where will we find a warm city in the forest, but?
                - Do not worry green! As soon as you see the bear, you will immediately find))))
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 26 January 2014 20: 41
                  +2
                  Gogi !!!! ????? Cho! I bought a jeep! Shchiroki? No, narrow, normal!
        2. alone
          alone 26 January 2014 18: 05
          +3
          Quote: supertiger21
          .But Assad must take this fact into account, for his possible gain, because it is easier to strangle each "wolf cub one by one" than to fight against the whole "pack." I think it would be more correct for him to concentrate most of his forces against one of the groups (for example, against the United states of Iraq and the Levant "), and after a complete victory over one, start" strangling "others.


          You say unreal things! I didn’t want to get involved in Syrian conversations, but I still have to!
          First, Assad missed the point for this. It was possible to agree with the SSA and begin a joint struggle against jihadists. He did not do this, although there were hints of the SSA in this regard.
          Secondly, the militants proved that they had enough strength to fight both Assad and each other. Aad’s only success was the liberation of one of the Aleppo suburbs. To achieve this, Assad had to stop the fighting in Eastern Ghout and in the mountainous region of Kalamun, to leave the city Jassem: Assad does not have enough strength to put an end to militants everywhere at once. And yet, oddly enough, every city has been cleansed of militants for 30 years in three years. But still, it was not possible to take the cities under full control. To say that Assad is fighting only with foreigners, it sounds silly and funny. You can’t fight with foreigners for three years, if both the army and the people are with you for one.
          Thirdly, the United States of Iraq and the Levant organization turned out to be so powerful that, while fighting against Assad and other groups, it managed to transfer part of its forces to Iraq and wage a war there against the forces of al-Maliki.

          Therefore, we have to state a fact. If you don’t agree with the moderate, it will be extremely difficult to win the war. For this, you just need to abandon the future government with the obligatory condition that the secular model of Syria is preserved. Apparently the fate of the people and the state is least of all when it comes to their own power .
          1. supertiger21
            supertiger21 26 January 2014 19: 51
            0
            Quote: lonely
            First, Assad missed the point for this. It was possible to agree with the SSA and begin a joint struggle against jihadists. He did not do this, although there were hints of the SSA in this regard.


            That is, you think that Assad should have taken the word of the leaders of the "Free Syrian Army" ?! How can you unite with someone who wants to kill you at every opportunity. They obviously wanted to catch Assad on this so that he would do part of "their job" , and then again declare his vrg. But Assad did not, did not bite! recourse

            Quote: lonely
            Secondly, the militants proved that they have enough strength to fight both against Assad and among themselves.


            Naturally! And how can you lose strength when the Yankees send "gifts" in the form of mortars and bombs through the territory of Turkey and Jordan almost every week.

            Quote: lonely
            Thirdly, the United States of Iraq and the Levant organization turned out to be so powerful that, while fighting against Assad and other groups, it managed to transfer part of its forces to Iraq and wage a war there against the forces of al-Maliki.


            That's it, I'm talking about the same thing. Therefore, we must first weaken it, if not alone, then with someone's support.

            Quote: lonely
            Therefore, we have to state a fact. If you don’t agree with the moderate, it will be extremely difficult to win the war. For this, you just need to abandon the future government with the obligatory condition that the secular model of Syria is preserved. Apparently the fate of the people and the state is least of all when it comes to their own power .


            What do you think? What does Assad need to defeat the militants?
            1. alone
              alone 26 January 2014 20: 17
              +1
              Naturally! And how can you lose strength when the Yankees send "gifts" in the form of mortars and bombs through the territory of Turkey and Jordan almost every week.


              When it all started, the locals had only a limited number of machine guns and RPG-7s. Today they already have everything they need. and all this from the warehouses of the Syrian troops. starting from LNG-9 ending to the T-72 tanks. By the way, there are a lot of video links where a huge amount of weapons and ammunition is removed. Yanker mortars no longer play a decisive role. The mortar doesn’t surprise anyone there.

              Quote: supertiger21
              That's it, I'm talking about the same thing. Therefore, we must first weaken it, if not alone, then with someone's support.


              This group can be weakened only by agreeing with the Moderates from the SSA, the backbone of which are the citizens of Syria.

              Quote: supertiger21
              But Assad did not, did not peck!


              but it’s in vain. one had to trust, at least support the group from the air by blows to ISIS. First, it would destroy the odious strong group, and secondly, it would even incline a certain part of the SSA in its direction. some and make others doubt.

              Quote: supertiger21
              What do you think? What does Assad need to defeat the militants?


              It’s hard for you to understand, because you don’t know enough about the region and don’t have information about the religious distribution of the people living there. As long as the Shiite Iran is behind Assad, and the rest will be militants, the war will continue. Iran has its own goals. There is no Shiism in this support role He doesn’t play. Moreover, the Alawites are not Shiites at all, but a separate sect, which many even do not consider Muslims for their interpretation of Islam.
              1. supertiger21
                supertiger21 26 January 2014 21: 07
                0
                Quote: lonely
                When it all started, the locals had only a limited number of machine guns and RPG-7s. Today they already have everything they need. and all this from the warehouses of the Syrian troops. starting from LNG-9 ending to the T-72 tanks. By the way, there are a lot of video links where a huge amount of weapons and ammunition is removed. Yanker mortars no longer play a decisive role. The mortar doesn’t surprise anyone there.


                Well, firstly, when it all started Assad did not have the opportunity to fight back, because then the slightest provocation was enough for the US and NATO to start an operation against Syria. And the militants began to get weapons only when it became clear that the Yankees could not directly help.

                Quote: lonely
                This group can be weakened only by agreeing with the Moderates from the SSA, the backbone of which are the citizens of Syria.


                For the most part I agree with this. But if you ally with the SSA, then only with a strict eye.

                Quote: lonely
                It’s hard for you to understand, because you don’t know enough about the region and don’t have information about the religious distribution of the people living there. As long as the Shiite Iran is behind Assad, and the rest will be militants, the war will continue. Iran has its own goals. There is no Shiism in this support role He doesn’t play. Moreover, the Alawites are not Shiites at all, but a separate sect, which many even do not consider Muslims for their interpretation of Islam.


                Well, educate me who Shiites, Sunnis, Allafits are not worth it! I myself profess Islam, and I know about it no less than you. The main part of the Syrian population are Sunnis, and traditionally they have a significant influence. Shiites, though less, are also they have great power, and Shiite Iran will influence their power to a greater extent. And Salafis, Alafites and others have never been the indigenous population of Syria and have appeared there not long ago in the form of militants who want power.
                1. alone
                  alone 26 January 2014 23: 07
                  0
                  Quote: supertiger21
                  Well, firstly, when it all started Assad did not have the opportunity to fight back, because then the slightest provocation was enough for the US and NATO to start an operation against Syria. And the militants began to get weapons only when it became clear that the Yankees could not directly help.


                  Dear, before the Wahhabis began to arrive in Syria, a clash between government forces and local militants took place in Syria for a year. Talk of the possibility of interference from the West began at the end of 2011. Assad had almost a year to sort out in his country. and all attempts through the UN were blocked by Russia and China. There was a time, but it was lost

                  Quote: supertiger21
                  Well, educate me who Shiites, Sunnis, Allafits are not worth it! I myself profess Islam, and I know about it no less than you. The main part of the Syrian population are Sunnis, and traditionally they have a significant influence. Shiites, though less, are also they have great power, and Shiite Iran will influence their power to a greater extent. And Salafis, Alafites and others have never been the indigenous population of Syria and have appeared there not long ago in the form of militants who want power.


                  Unfortunately, you are mistaken. The Alawites have always lived in Syria. The Alusite-Nusayrites, who believe that the Angel Jabrail (Gabriel) was mistaken, passing the prophecy to Muhammad, which was intended by Ali. Therefore, many are not considered Muslims. And Shiites there are purely 100 thousand inhabitants of Kyzylbash, who were relocated there in the 10s of the 16th century from Iran.
                  Take an interest in this. Believe me, you will learn a lot that was unknown to you so far. hi
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Apollon does not agree - we all heard the threats of the militants - after sorting out with Assad they will go to war in ISRAEL

      Rejoice. Only the impression that you are more worried about this
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And the statements of the Israelis that they will ram the militants into the asphalt look naive

      before that they thrombosed and now we ram
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      they will fight with ISRAEL according to their own rules, which means that there will be no fights like IN ALLEPO.

      and before that they fought in accordance with the Geneva Conventions
      belay
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      And there will be endless shelling with the latest weapons and more cruel terrorist attacks -

      will not, crush in the bud
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Moreover, I believe the fall of ASADA is a direct threat to our security -

      so worry for yourself, and we’ll somehow cope with our problems ourselves
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 January 2014 12: 37
        +2
        smile thank god finally I got you my comments, to be honest I started this dispute - knowing your nature, it is useful to know when you start to start.
        Well, if seriously your problems are your problems, I'm more interested in the fact that the militants from SYRIA do not get into RUSSIA and here you have to be ready to be fully prepared to meet them with a bullet in the forehead.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 January 2014 12: 43
          +2
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          ... I am more interested in the fact that the militants from SYRIA do not climb into RUSSIA and here we must be prepared to be fully prepared to meet them with a bullet in the forehead.


          But here it will not do without us lol
          Police from Russia will undergo training in Israel in the field of transport security.
          Such agreements were reached after the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia Vladimir Kolokoltsev and the delegation of the ministry got acquainted with the concept and practical safety of citizens at Ben Gurion International Airport.
          A group of employees of the Main Directorate of Transport of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia is expected to arrive in Israel for training in the near future. The Israeli colleagues will tell them about the methods of "profiling" (identification of suspicious persons by characteristic features - IF) in the passenger traffic at the airport.
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  • Kus Imak
    Kus Imak 26 January 2014 11: 46
    +5
    Having fit in at one time for the Sunni Palestinians, the Syrian leadership very large framed their Alawites. The Israelis and the Alawites historically had no conflicts, on the contrary, these two small nations always opposed the Sunni majority. As a result, the Alawites died in the wars with Israel, lost part of their territory, and the Palestinians, without feeling any gratitude, gladly cut and rape the Alawites.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 26 January 2014 12: 30
    +1
    It began to reach the Jews! As usual, a teaspoon per hour, but soon we will hear the eternal - "I've always said that!"
    1. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 26 January 2014 13: 45
      0
      Better late than never. If, which is very difficult to imagine: Israel will "make friends" with Syria, then Iran and the Saudis, especially, will pander to the radicals, and this for us, as they say, is no sweeter horseradish.
  • Arh
    Arh 26 January 2014 15: 43
    0
    Christian churches destroyed, slaughtered Christians who were peacefully friends with Muslims and also killed these Muslims! I think that Israel and other Western countries simply need to help Basharad al-Assad - the Syrian people! There is the city of Maalühl there they speak the ancient language that Jesus spoke! (breaks a tear)! ! !
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    2. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 15: 47
      +1
      Quote: Arh
      I think that Israel and other Western countries simply need to help Basharad al-Assad - the Syrian people! There is the city of Maalühl there they speak the ancient language that Jesus spoke! (breaks a tear)! ! !

      That's because he made fun. Jesus, in general, was a Jew from Nazareth and resurrected in Jerusalem - this somehow did not stop Assad (dad) from attacking Israel 5 times and Hamas militants trained in Syria to blow up buses in these cities (including Christians)
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 January 2014 15: 59
    +2
    Great guys! Are there any aviation personnel among us? This is Syria. Mi-17, lined by the MZA. The right engine is in Mr. No. I pulled on the left. Take a breath --- everyone is alive. I want to hear the opinion of the pros
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 January 2014 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Den 11
      Great guys! Are there any aviation personnel among us? This is Syria. Mi-17, lined by the MZA. The right engine is in Mr. No. I pulled on the left. Take a breath --- everyone is alive. I want to hear the opinion of the pros

      Hi Denis. I'm certainly not special. (this is to Igoryanich), but it looks like a helicopter with side noer 70 - flew off.
      By the way, the weapons on it are not visible, it seems shot on the ground.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 26 January 2014 16: 09
        +1
        Wow Sanya. Infa-pulled to his (Aleppo). There was a fire-crew put out
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 January 2014 16: 28
          +1
          Denis, hi according to press statements: was fired at MANPADS
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 26 January 2014 16: 31
            +1
            The Opps say that they are from Shilka. Frozen-MANPADS. Main --- sat down at their
        2. alone
          alone 26 January 2014 18: 48
          +2
          Hello Denis! The helicopter cannot be restored. It looks like MANPADS and Shilka. If the helicopter is in the air, the militants on the drum that it drove. Here and shot down
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 26 January 2014 16: 19
        +1
        Sanya, he was engaged in the supply of food and medication. Of course, yours will put pressure on him taking ZARIN! But this is WRONG !!!
        1. atalef
          atalef 26 January 2014 21: 59
          -1
          Quote: Den 11
          Sanya, he was engaged in the supply of food and medication. Of course, yours will put pressure on him taking ZARIN! But this is WRONG !!!

          Denis. ours will not press on anything. We have almost no news on Syria. So if. something extraordinary will be reminded, and so it’s practically not interesting to us. And about the helicopter - not even mentioned. Seriously, the situation in Syria does not bother anyone
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 January 2014 16: 27
    +2
    These creatures have posted.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 26 January 2014 17: 40
      +1
      Quote: Den 11
      These are the creatures laid out

      Den, Priva, there’s even better. Defeat from Waspdowned commander colonel Kamal Jadaan
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 January 2014 17: 05
    +1
    Did you want, comrades from Israel, to get this right at your side? Of course, your Massad works fine --- but if these scumbags go to you? --- (ISIS, not those guys) - (naturally after Bashar).
    1. alone
      alone 26 January 2014 18: 50
      +3
      Denis! these frostbiters are financed from the outside. What the CFO will say, they will go there. Israel is the last on the list of alleged objects. The militants are frostbitten, but not stupid at all. Israel will tear them to pieces. The militants also know this)) it’s easier to go against Lebanon and Iraq.
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  • Arh
    Arh 26 January 2014 17: 12
    0
    About Christians In Syria! ! !
  • Magyar
    Magyar 26 January 2014 19: 35
    +1
    The analysis in this article is blurry, everything is mixed together, as they say people, horses. It has long been clear that the war in Syria is beneficial for Israel, that the destruction of the state brings Hezbollah’s losses, through this there is a comprehensive weakening of Iran. In this whole theorem, there is one significant mistake the Syrian Army and its allies gain invaluable combat experience and new tactical methods. Iran is testing a weapon. The further development of events will be shown only by time, it is more likely that Syria will be fragmented, not one of the parties will win in this conflict, the forces are approximately equal. In short, the morning is wiser than the evening.
    1. alone
      alone 26 January 2014 19: 46
      +4
      Quote: Magyar
      The analysis in this article is blurry, everything is mixed together, as they say people, horses.


      Totally agree!

      Quote: Magyar
      Syrian Army and its allies gain invaluable combat experience and new tactics Iran is testing weapons


      But let me disagree with this for a number of reasons.
      Firstly, the experience gained and new tactics are too expensive, the elite of the troops is dying, as well as the material value, which will be so difficult to restore. To do this, you need a sea of ​​finance, which seems to be lacking.
      Secondly, the combat experience gained in urban conditions will not solve much with such opponents as the United States or Israel. As we see from practice, the Western armies and the Israeli joint-stock company do not storm cities, they have different tactics about such battles.
      Thirdly, almost everyone has already had the weapons that Iran has been testing for a long time, Iran does not play the role of Christopher Columbus in this regard. And what is Iran experiencing of such arch-complicated things, if not a secret? What’s its production?) Or ultra-low-profile fighters?
  • shelva
    shelva 26 January 2014 21: 30
    -3
    Oh, this sly Jewish diplomacy. Little has changed in the region after the collapse of the United Arab Republic (and Israel saw this union as the main threat), neither the Americans nor Anwar Sadat, the "traitor of the Arabs", helped. Only blatant aggression and preventive strikes, with which they have already zadolbali all, accompanied by constant whining at all international forums, have helped, the UN Security Council has turned into a "wailing wall."
    Historical reference; “God's chosen people, having appointed themselves as such, are the author of such an invention as genocide (the book of Joshua).
    1. Kus Imak
      Kus Imak 26 January 2014 22: 15
      0
      Again decided to throw a rhetorical Mr. VNA on the fan? Write to you about the Russians? Or so calm down?
      1. alone
        alone 26 January 2014 23: 11
        0
        Medya, but the picture is interesting and thought-provoking))) laughing
  • individual
    individual 26 January 2014 22: 45
    +1
    This type of Islamism pays particular attention to the economic and political relations between Muslim and non-Muslim countries. Its purpose is to restore such a state institution of the Middle Ages as the caliphate, using the methods of pan-Islamism and hegemony.

    Jihadists declare the goals of creating a state without borders.
    These goals are pursued by literally all countries on all continents and especially concern Israel, which is located at the epicenter of these interests.
    Instead of uniting everyone to counteract this total Middle Ages - every nation, every religion defends itself only, leaving jihadists the choice to attack.
    1. Kus Imak
      Kus Imak 26 January 2014 22: 50
      -1
      Quote: individ
      This type of Islamism pays particular attention to the economic and political relations between Muslim and non-Muslim countries. Its purpose is to restore such a state institution of the Middle Ages as the caliphate, using the methods of pan-Islamism and hegemony.

      Jihadists declare the goals of creating a state without borders.
      These goals are pursued by literally all countries on all continents and especially concern Israel, which is located at the epicenter of these interests.
      Instead of uniting everyone to counteract this total Middle Ages - every nation, every religion defends itself only, leaving jihadists the choice to attack.


      Are we against? If Assad had not fought with Israel until very recently, Israel would have helped him a long time ago, just as he had helped the Jordanian king in 1970 during the Palestinian coup (black October).
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 26 January 2014 23: 01
        +2
        Now what? Help to crush this evil, and then we will scatter all the questions!
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 26 January 2014 23: 26
          -1
          Quote: Den 11
          Now what? Help to crush this evil, and then we will scatter all the questions!

          Who should help Assad? For 20 years I was preparing to fight with him. And our guys who died in 2006 from ATGMs transferred by Assad Hezbollah. No well done well done, his problem can’t.
        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 26 January 2014 23: 54
          0
          Quote: Den 11
          Now what? Help to crush this evil, and then we will scatter all the questions!

          And we must believe you ... why? request
          Probably for such "gifts" in the hands of terrorists from Hamas and Hezbollah? what

          Not? Did not guess? request
          Or maybe hugging with terrorists? request

          Not? Eating more options? No.
  • Inok10
    Inok10 26 January 2014 23: 00
    +3
    Quote: Kus Imac
    Again decided to throw a rhetorical Mr. VNA on the fan? Write to you about the Russians? Or so calm down?

    well, this is a direct violation of the rules, where is the admin ..
    1. Kus Imak
      Kus Imak 26 January 2014 23: 48
      0
      Quote: Inok10
      Quote: Kus Imac
      Again decided to throw a rhetorical Mr. VNA on the fan? Write to you about the Russians? Or so calm down?

      well, this is a direct violation of the rules, where is the admin ..



      Does that mean no violation?
      "God's chosen people, having appointed themselves as such, are the author of such an invention as genocide"


      That is, you can insult us, but you?
  • porevith
    porevith 27 January 2014 00: 16
    +4
    Quote: BlackMokona
    If Israel wants the victory of the Opposition, then it simply must openly wish in the media to destroy the Opposition.
    If Israel wants Assad’s victory, then he simply must openly desire in the media to destroy Assad.
    Everything is simple and effective.

    Israel wants them to fight long and tedious, the more they fight with each other, the less they will attack Israel.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 27 January 2014 00: 22
      0
      Quote: porevith
      Israel wants them to fight long and tedious, the more they fight with each other, the less they will attack Israel.

      This personally suits me personally, of course I feel sorry for the civilian population ... but the safety of my population is more important to me. request And if no one is able to offer a third way - which will suit everyone, then ... request
  • Inok10
    Inok10 27 January 2014 23: 48
    +3
    Quote: Kus Imac
    Quote: Inok10
    Quote: Kus Imac
    Again decided to throw a rhetorical Mr. VNA on the fan? Write to you about the Russians? Or so calm down?

    well, this is a direct violation of the rules, where is the admin ..



    Does that mean no violation?
    "God's chosen people, having appointed themselves as such, are the author of such an invention as genocide"


    That is, you can insult us, but you?

    Read the rules of the resource Dear, ignorance of the law does not exempt from liability ..