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Ergonomics C-400

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1. The S-400 air defense system is designed for highly effective protection of critical political, administrative, economic and military installations from attacks aviationstrategic cruise, tactical, and operational-tactical ballistic missiles, as well as medium-range ballistic missiles in combat and electronic countermeasures.






Ergonomics C-400






Combat Control Station 55K6



Multifunctional radar 92H6E



PU 5P85TE2



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  1. Rash
    Rash 25 January 2014 08: 09
    +5
    And where is ergonomics?
  2. Andrey Borodin
    Andrey Borodin 25 January 2014 08: 31
    +3
    Like where. Now probably more brains, fewer buttons.
  3. Ascetic
    Ascetic 25 January 2014 08: 36
    +23
    Zachisno.but there is much to strive for





    This will look like a ground control station for Predators and Patriots. The main tendency is now to increase the area of ​​screens with the transfer of the interface to the screen. A very convenient situational review plus equally convenient access to any displayed information. No need to be distracted by phones and pens, there is a headset and built-in switching in the joystick. In general, as always we are on the heels and repeat the American ergo-design
    So it looks now long-mastered American PU


    So our newest S-400




    However, ergonomics have never been our trump card, they coped in more poor conditions, the main thing is that the equipment should work without failures, the complex should be reliable and tenacious ...
    Our officers are accustomed to endure stotsky .... ergonomic inconvenience.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 25 January 2014 12: 57
      +18
      Well, German tanks were also much more comfortable than Soviet ones. This did not help them.
      1. pawel57
        pawel57 26 January 2014 14: 16
        -4
        It even helped, our losses were much higher.
        1. ACKiPaPa,
          ACKiPaPa, 26 January 2014 15: 43
          +3
          belay belay pawel57
          What is it like? Heads were broken when striking armor in sharp turns, knees were scratched on manhole covers and this was distracting during the battle.
        2. orizonti
          orizonti 26 January 2014 23: 35
          0
          Our losses were higher during the defeats of 41-42 years, then the losses were comparable.
    2. Horde
      Horde 25 January 2014 14: 05
      +8
      Quote: Ascetic
      So our newest S-400



      I especially "like microphones" there they are so square, light brown, these accessories of radio equipment DO NOT CHANGE for probably 50-60 years, in short, as our first microphone was invented, so in all military communications it will not die in any way, just amazing, PROGRESS HAS STOPPED... negative
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 January 2014 14: 33
        +15
        Sometimes "slippers" TA-57 and TNA-4 under certain conditions become more reliable than satellite communications and GLONASS. And analogue systems of digital. So I want to pick up the phone and ... "Volga", "Volga" - I "Donets" in the Pentagon all arctic fox


        TNA-4
      2. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 26 January 2014 01: 21
        +4
        Sir ... Well, what kind of childhood?) What is the difference in the appearance of the microphone - IMHA, what's more important is what’s inside.

        After all, you can wrap the candy in different candy wrappers, and not the fact that the most beautiful candy wrapper will be at the most delicious.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 25 January 2014 20: 44
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      Zachisno.but there is much to strive for ...


      Of course there is much to strive for. It’s purely my opinion that the air defense system should smoothly switch to the air defense system with the air defense functions, and the fact that smaller TVs is compensated by the accuracy of the shooting.
    4. 31231
      31231 26 January 2014 00: 41
      0
      Oga, Stanislav and in one hand a hot dog, and on a silver platter.
      Bggg. Do you understand that this is no longer an army?
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 26 January 2014 12: 22
        +5
        Quote: 31231
        Oga, Stanislav and in one hand a hot dog, and on a silver platter.
        Bggg. Do you understand that this is no longer an army?


        We, too, drank tea at the post with sandwiches, there were even times of dop-packs were given to the night shift calculations (sugar, tea, bread, butter, eggs and bacon-bacon and chocolate-mini "Alyonka" (we then treated the girls at the disco. Then ourselves constantly, as they say now, they upgraded the workplace and the switching equipment making it a "ratsuha" (they even paid some money for this.) I even remember unofficially between two tabletops on the edge of each two aluminum rails 5mm wide were attached and inserted there from a plywood panel with with a self-made folding support, it turned out a removable retractable desktop on which you could drink tea, unfold the same working card-footcloth, and on the reverse side there was a chessboard and a backgammon field (shish-bysh) .So just without lard at night this is not an army. By the way, we called the fat - “drug.” Therefore, you can write about us that the combat crews of the launch of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia at the post use “drugs” laughing
        1. El13
          El13 26 January 2014 22: 05
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          (shish-bysh)

          shesh besh
      2. ACKiPaPa,
        ACKiPaPa, 26 January 2014 15: 50
        0
        But how cool, during an emergency, coffee and a hot dog fall to their knees picturesquely, and the scalded operator, like a scalded one, begins to "steer" the situation laughing .
    5. bask
      bask 26 January 2014 14: 22
      +3
      Quote: Ascetic
      So it looks now long-mastered American PU

      So it looks british Waddington Air Force Ground Control Station.
      Ergonomics, convenience and comfort, for the duty shift is provided.

      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 26 January 2014 14: 32
        +4
        Quote: bask
        Ergonomics, convenience and comfort, for the duty shift is provided.


        Well, here we had almost exactly the same seats (only with belts), and between the operators where they had a table with phones, we just mounted a removable table under the directions where we had a safe with a cell with combat packages.
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 26 January 2014 14: 44
          +2
          Photo from the Museum "Ternopil-Berlin Orders of Bogdan Khmelnytsky II degree and the Red Star of the 52nd Missile Division", ZATO "Zvezdny" (Bershet village, Perm-76).
          From 1974 to 1994 the division was armed with a DBK 15P020 with an ICBM 15A20 (UR-100K).
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 26 January 2014 16: 47
            +2
            Only the safe matches. Everything else is too ancient equipment even for the mid-80s of the last century. Fixed gearbox

            Here is ours. Exercise machine, emergency chair



            Here is the standard interior




            This is the PC Moment, where the calculation number (signalman) dials the working communication circuit. It is very convenient if you know what's what. This Colonelpatrimony. Being a CDS student himself, he studied with a warrant officer-technician, usually no one knows from the rocketers. Yes, and then he forgot it.


            Dimon is not your iPhone, what a pretty face


            The unit itself is on the march. If you did not fasten your seat belt and turn it around in the right direction, then you can fly away during maneuvers and braking.
            Yes, and this ship is rocking decently.
    6. anarky
      anarky 26 January 2014 22: 07
      0
      This is so that they won’t fall asleep in a comfortable armchair on duty :) But seriously, the functionality is no less than the bourgeois. And are you sure that on the last photo of the S-400? There is a suspicion that the ASH cabin. It is painfully spacious.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 26 January 2014 23: 44
        0
        Well, there is the signature of Korotchenko’s magazine, the photo is from the same as in the article, only from another part of the topic. I also had doubts like KShM. Well, for example workstation for operators of the fire control command post of the "Patriot" PAC-3 air defense missile system



        In principle, the S-400 looks at the level of ergonomics. It should be recognized that in terms of ERGONOMICS and PR PR, we cannot compare with the Americans.
        On this list ends IMHO.
        And what can they not compare with us, the list is so long that I don’t even know where to start what
        You can’t underestimate the enemy, but reevaluating from the series “a mess happens only with us” is an archived thing. I especially like stories about Chinese microcircuits in our control systems and the lack of them in striped.
        Chinese chips in the American missile defense
        The Washington Post (USA). Chinese counterfeit details found in American weapons tongue
    7. orizonti
      orizonti 26 January 2014 23: 33
      0
      You showed a photo not of the latest S-400, but the Baikal automated control system.
      Both Baikal and S-400 are not the latest, but they are already 10-15 years old.
      The newest ones are S-350, 500, which nobody knows inside, but the same healthy screens as for controlling drones are not needed there, the specifics of control are completely different.
      1. anarky
        anarky 26 January 2014 23: 47
        0
        Well, to be precise, ACS Baikal is generally still in Russia. He walked with three hundred. Now he seems to have been transferred to a new element base. Baikal-1M seems.
  4. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 25 January 2014 08: 39
    0
    Ascetic interior ...
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 January 2014 08: 53
      +4
      Quote: Prapor-527
      Ascetic interior ...

      It's not me ... invented repeat
    2. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 25 January 2014 19: 45
      +1
      And he must be ascetic! Nothing extra. A bunch of monitors for one operator is stupidity (if there are 20 of them, will the efficiency increase by a multiple of chtoli?). The main thing is to correctly form the information and present it as efficiently as possible!
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 25 January 2014 21: 43
        +1
        Quote: Tjumenec72
        Nothing extra. A bunch of monitors for one operator is stupidity (if there are 20 of them, will the efficiency increase by a multiple of chtoli?)

        And try in one hand the phone, in the other on the speakerphone priority and at the same time there is work on the remote control? But on duty, such situations are very close by. So damn it and on duty ... Hands should always be free and not busy with anything like in the second photo, attention concentration will increase three times and with a wide display, the speed of perception is proved scientifically and experimentally. And the armchair for the Vietnamese secretaries? Under me, with a weight of a centner, it will fall apart in a week. But at the adversary everything is thought out and the back will be normal and the ass will not go numb like a stone after 6 hours in our office .... Already the chairs can be normal durable and comfortable to do?
        1. Tjumenec72
          Tjumenec72 25 January 2014 22: 18
          +1
          Yes, a normal chair, you can work (bourgeois certainly more impressive). And your centner will survive - or will you download it?) And yes, the chair can be easily replaced - it is not screwed to the floor (not a critical indicator). And what does the additional monitor save the phone?
          I’ll repeat on monitors - the main thing is to correctly form the information and present it as efficiently as possible!
          So the ergonomics of this will quite pull - you can finish it if you wish.
          PS it worked like that at once on three, the head is tired ...
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 26 January 2014 12: 03
            +4
            Quote: Tjumenec72
            Yes, a normal chair, you can work (bourgeois certainly more impressive). And your centner will survive - or will you download it?)


            Where are the seat belts? And you jump on the march... while braking and accelerating,
            One of my first posts was the chief of calculation at MBU PKP rdn. I know well from operating experience. What is a MOBILE CONTROL ITEM. Our seats were aviation with steel elements at the base. Armchairs are needed as in the photo. MBU insides are secret, because the picture is Polyana-D4M1 (9S52M1), the combat control point (PBU) MP06RPM, by the way, look at the size of the scoreboard. Like an American, only a striped place was saved by arranging the eranas with a trapezoid.



  5. Bongo
    Bongo 25 January 2014 09: 07
    +8
    Compared to the C-75 and C-125 cabins, the ergonomics are quite normal. In any case, no worse than the "export" S-300P. At least, there were no special complaints from foreign customers in this regard.
    The question is different, when will these systems and new long-range missiles go to them en masse in our armed forces? After all, the newest C-300P we have 1994 of the year of release, if I am not mistaken, C-400 are currently armed with the entire 2 regiment.
    1. Anuarkz
      Anuarkz 25 January 2014 09: 25
      +7
      2 regiment? do not confuse only in 2013 they received 2 regiments, but there are already 7 of them. This is open information and is here on topvar
      1. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 25 January 2014 12: 19
        +4
        Now the Russian army has five C-400 regiments, of which two are deployed in the Moscow region, one in the Baltic Fleet, one in Nakhodka and one in the Southern Military District.
        1. Anuarkz
          Anuarkz 25 January 2014 13: 13
          +4
          http://www.raspletin.ru/press-tsentr-44800/nashi-novosti/620-vojska-poluchili-es
          hche-dva-polkovykh-komplekta-zrs-s-400-triumf
          To date, the Russian army already had five regiments of the S-400 Triumph air defense system, now two more are transferred to the troops
    2. Akim
      Akim 25 January 2014 12: 54
      +2
      Quote: Bongo
      Compared to the S-75 and S-125 cabs, ergonomics are quite normal.

      Desktop Polish S-125NewaSC. You can upgrade anything.
      1. badger1974
        badger1974 25 January 2014 18: 27
        +2
        don’t talk about Poland, it disappeared from the map of the world today, it’s part of what’s what you call Polish, delirium of the kabyly-kaby became a horse
        1. Akim
          Akim 25 January 2014 19: 14
          +7
          Quote: badger1974
          don’t talk about Poland, it disappeared from today's world map,

          Propaganda nonsense, stick ... in other topics. You received information on this work desk, if it is not true, say so. And do not interfere with politics here.

          1. anarky
            anarky 26 January 2014 21: 49
            0
            I did not realize how the radar saw the CD behind the mountain and why the radar was not leveled. And such beautiful cartoons in Almaz-Antey can draw. They generally endure everything and everything. Even the raptor got under the distribution :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZZ_RxcFwow. But in general, I have not heard anything new from Dnipro and I do not quite understand why it is being done. Judging by the video, the main trick is to bring all the junk of the S-1 and S-125 type into one system. The new rocket has not yet appeared, and apart from pictures of strange oblique launchers, I have not seen anything. Maybe I was looking badly. Intelligence means is also not clear. If used as part of the S-300, then an RPN + RLO is needed. The S-300 has its own cunning CHP. In theory, you can probably make an MRLS that will combine all these functions, but what's the point? And this radar cannot be in the meter range. How to find stealth? In general, it's damp like that IMHO. In the video, Anthei seems to have everything more thoughtful.

            By the new interface: compared to the three hundred - super. Although in the course of the composition of the posts on the KP saved. Which is not surprising, given the three-hundredth roots of s-400.
            1. Akim
              Akim 26 January 2014 22: 20
              0
              Quote: anarky
              By the new interface: compared to the three hundred - super. Although in the course of the composition of the posts on the KP saved. Which is not surprising, given the three-hundredth roots of s-400.

              I also saw only notes for articles that work on the "Dnieper" has intensified. And the video shows that the complex can simultaneously work with three medium-range systems (there is no C-125 in Ukraine). Ukrainian S-300s are planned (while they are still planned!) To be transferred to new missiles with an increased range, up to 90 km. "Dnepr" is the SAM itself with its own launchers. Apparently, the video is shown for export purposes, because the KrAZ headlights are rectangular.
              1. anarky
                anarky 26 January 2014 22: 47
                0
                Well, the S-125 is not in service. And so - the warehouses are breaking. And by the way there was a rumor that they want to return them. And both here and you have projects for their modernization. Ours like this even pushed to Iraq. And the video is most likely for YouTube. Too illiterate. Yes and no defense express develops it in the end.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 27 January 2014 03: 46
                  0
                  Quote: anarky
                  Well, the S-125 is not in service. And so - the warehouses are breaking. And by the way there was a rumor that they want to return them

                  More than rumors - it won’t work. No. All sold out.
  6. clidon
    clidon 25 January 2014 09: 53
    +2
    Traditionally simple. Round displays were replaced by square ones ... If only it worked.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 25 January 2014 10: 26
      +6
      quote-S-400 anti-aircraft defense system is intended for highly effective protection of the most important political, administrative, economic and military installations from air strikes, strategic cruise, tactical and operational tactical ballistic missiles, as well as medium-range ballistic missiles in combat and electronic countermeasures.

      Video in the subject.
      1. Horde
        Horde 25 January 2014 14: 53
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        Video in the subject.


        in the movie showed briefly on the screens NOT OUR WORDS, what is again for sale?
    2. anarky
      anarky 26 January 2014 23: 07
      0
      Well, actually there the whole electronic liver is fresh. And the displays now have much more information.
  7. AVV
    AVV 25 January 2014 10: 54
    0
    We defend our independence, our sky, our territory from Western cove !!!
  8. supertiger21
    supertiger21 25 January 2014 11: 05
    +6
    S-400 Triumph surpasses its American counterpart MIM-104 Patriot. Only in our air defense there are too few of them. But I hope in 2020 there will be enough.
    Give the S-400 to Syria for a certain time. The American desire to "bring democracy" or "liberate" someone will disappear immediately! am laughing
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 January 2014 12: 18
      +7
      Quote: supertiger21
      S-400 Triumph surpasses its American counterpart MIM-104 Patriot


      it would be more logical to compare the C-400 immediately with MEADS and THAAD. Patriot is largely not a competitor to the S-300, not to mention the S-400.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 25 January 2014 21: 00
        -8
        Quote: Ascetic
        Patriot is largely not a competitor to the S-300, not to mention the S-400.

        And in what exactly? MEADS is certainly cooler, but than the S-400 is radically better than the Patriot PAK-3?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 26 January 2014 12: 55
          +8
          Quote: Nayhas
          And in what exactly? MEADS is certainly cooler, but than the S-400 is radically better than the Patriot PAK-3?


          S-300 is superior in many respects to Rac. 3
          1. The range of the aerodynamic target:
          S-300PMU - 150km.
          Patriot PAC-3 - 80km
          2. Range of defeat of a ballistic target:
          S-300PMU - 40km.
          Patriot PAC-3 - n.a.
          3. Minimum target hit height:
          S-300PMU - 10m
          Patriot PAC-3 - 60m
          4. The maximum height of hitting a target:
          S-300PMU - 30km
          Patriot PAC-3 - 24km
          5. The speed of the hit targets is maximum:
          S-300PMU - 10000km / h
          Patriot PAC-3 ~ 7500-8000km / h
          6. The number of simultaneously fired targets:
          S-300PMU - 6
          Patriot PAC-3 - 2
          7. The number of simultaneously guided missiles:
          S-300PMU - 12
          Patriot PAC-3 - 9
          8. Target detection range:
          S-300PMU - 300km
          Patriot PAC-3 - 180km
          9. The maximum speed of the rocket:
          S-300PMU - 2000m / s
          Patriot PAC-3 - 1700m / s
          10. Mass warhead missiles:
          S-300PMU - 140kg.
          Patriot PAC-3 - 91kg.
          11. Technical rate of fire:
          S-300PMU - 1 shot in 3 seconds
          Patriot PAC-3 - 1 shot in 5 seconds
          12. Deployment time of the complex:
          S-300PMU - 5min.
          Patriot PAC-3 - n.a.

          The PAC-3 missile weight - 316 kg. And the range is 20 km. But it must fall very precisely, its striking element, mainly a metal ball. Plus some explosives with splinters - just in case.
          Anti-aircraft missile complex "PATRIOT"
          The S-300PMU missile weight - 1480 kg - 1900 kg and range - 47-200 km.
          link
          Therefore, even the S-300PMU can be compared with the THAAD complex, where the weight of the rocket is 900 kg
          I'm not talking about the fact that the S-300 air defense system can be transferred from a stowed position to a combat position in 5 minutes; in the same time, it collapses. Americans need 30 minutes for each of these operations.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 26 January 2014 12: 57
            +2
            If we add that the S-300 vehicles are mounted on a self-propelled chassis of high cross-country ability, and the Patriot vehicles are mounted on trailers, then it is obvious that the S-300 is significantly superior in mobility and survivability to the American complex. Thanks to the vertical launch, the S-300 missile has the ability to fire at targets flying from any direction, without turning the launchers. In "Patriot" missile launch is inclined, which means that in the course of an intense maneuvering battle will have to deploy launchers or arrange them in advance to cover all dangerous areas. In this case, fire capabilities are reduced. The missile of the Russian complex has more powerful combat equipment. With the same aiming accuracy, this provides a higher probability of hitting the target
            The main disadvantage of ALL PETRIOTS. the ammunition does not hit the warhead of the opposing missile, but, as a rule, only the hull or the main engine. Therefore, often the combat units of the attackers still reach the target. During the first Gulf War, this happened 90 percent of the time, for a total of 65 Scud launches. During the second war with Iraq, as everyone remembers, the Patriot allowed missiles flying “from the wrong direction,” in particular, from the sea.
            Patriot missiles are fired at an angle to the horizon and cannot turn towards the target if it is coming from the opposite side. Therefore, to complete the circle, you need at least four such launchers. The S-300 hits exactly the head of any missile. Always with one hundred percent result. It has a unique directional warhead that no other similar system has. And besides, it can hit ballistic missiles even with reflective surfaces such as stealths. This, too, can not be done by any such system. "Patriot" can "tie" 9 tracks, but in the last section of approach with targets simultaneously strikes only three targets. From the very beginning, the S-300 has the ability to direct missiles to all captured targets until they are destroyed.
            link
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 26 January 2014 13: 19
              +2
              Why did Azerbaijan want the S-300s so much and got them? Despite all the pressure of the influential anti-Russian lobby, that the Russian enemies will set the bookmarks there and they will not be able to shoot down the Armenian air forces? Because only the S-300PMU is 100% likely to knock down the Armenian SCUDs, unlike the Patriots who screwed up in Iraq. In Israel, the Patriots, as far as I know (I may be wrong), operate under the control of ISRAELI radars, which are far superior to their "native" American ones. And Hets-2 in terms of work on ballistic goals much more effective than the Patriots.
              Therefore, in Israel, they cleverly included the Patriots in a single anti-missile defense system as a means of air defense exclusively for aerodynamic goals in priority, leaving ballistics to your multi-level missile defense.
      2. Air Force
        Air Force 26 January 2014 00: 13
        +2
        And it’s even more logical to compare the S-400 with the S-300 to begin with and understand what the difference is.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 26 January 2014 13: 00
          +5
          Quote: UPU
          And it’s even more logical to compare the S-400 with the S-300 to begin with and understand what the difference is.

          So compare, lay out and prove that there is no difference and on the S-400 the same missiles as on the S-300, then there will be a conversation. Indeed, this is precisely the purpose of convincing us that we are being deceived and there is no fundamental difference, the money was cut and Putin is a thief and a traitor? Right?
          1. Air Force
            Air Force 26 January 2014 14: 29
            -3

            Yes, it is not necessary to draw such far-reaching conclusions. Just tell the elementary truth on the topic. Only. And as for the missiles, so many do not even know about it. So why lie to people? Yes, and Putin drag. Start with yourself to start.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 26 January 2014 17: 29
              +3
              Quote: UPU
              . And as for the missiles, so many do not even know about it. So why lie to people?

              So open people's eyes to rockets. And then you guys are "throwing a bone" in the bushes without facts and references. By the way, the super-long-range 40N6E, which, as I understand it, is already ready. The first installation batch has been released.
              The installation batch of new missiles for the S-400 launched into production
              The 40H6E long-range missile (with a range of 400 km - no one in the world has such missiles) is currently undergoing state tests. That is, the rocket is there, it flies, and it has been actively tested since 2012. The missile is expensive, and it will be used only for very specific purposes, and mass destruction should be provided by cheaper base 48N6 of all modifications and even cheaper small-sized 9M96E2, which put 4 pieces in each launch tube.
              1. Air Force
                Air Force 26 January 2014 20: 20
                -3
                Quote: Ascetic
                and even cheaper small-sized 9M96E2, which in each launch tube put 4 pieces.

                I look at you with our Strategic Missile Forces (although it seems like the last time we were the Strategic Missile Forces), but oh well) So in the Strategic Missile Forces it is difficult to imagine the situation when a new complex with an old missile is adopted. That would be complete absurdity. So why do you think this situation is normal for ZRV?
                As for the "small" missiles, it turns out that even you do not know that these missiles are not there either, as well as the "distant" ones. And they are not put anywhere, in any "pipe". Here's the catch! But their first time was shown to the people already in 1999! And it is still being tested, only now as part of the "Vityaz" because in the S-400 they did not bring their minds. so what? The new complex turned out to be cool, right? And here we are discussing ergonomics, we hang noodles for the people. And by the way, ergonomics is also bad - especially where there are three workplaces nearby - how much do you say weigh? Centner? Well, here's a couple more of the same side by side and it will be very fun, like herring in a barrel.
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 27 January 2014 01: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: UPU
                  I look at you. We have a Strategic Missile Forces-Shchik (although it seems like the last time we were a SPRN-Shchik, oh well)


                  You probably don’t know that the RKO troops entered the Strategic Missile Forces before 2001, so after the academy I was sent to one of them. Moreover, I’m far from one such unique type. What you are talking about is known and it’s worth even opening a link to this article and the situation of Ashurbeyli and his activities will arise. So what year is it?
                  As for small missiles and tubes, a cassette-container with 4 missiles

                  Both Vityaz and Redoubt are equipped with these missiles. Serial production is established on
                  Vanguard but the DEVELOPMENT process continues, and this does not mean that they are NOT in service.
                  There are also no maces on Dolgoruky, and the boat was accepted into the Navy, so what? By the way
                  Test launches of the Bulava intercontinental ballistic missile will continue. This was reported by Kommersant, citing a source in the General Staff of the Navy. The first launch after the failure in September 2013 may take place in the summer. The military has 27 missiles of this type left, five of which will be returned to the Votkinsk plant for retrofitting with telemetry equipment. The first launch after failure in September 2013 may take place in May-June of this year, the newspaper writes.
                  link
    2. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 25 January 2014 19: 53
      +3
      Quote: supertiger21
      Give the S-400 to Syria for a certain time. The American desire to "bring democracy" or "liberate" someone will disappear immediately! am laughing

      with his range - he will shoot down Israeli planes right at the airfields! Jews will not allow this ...
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 25 January 2014 21: 00
        +4
        Quote: Tjumenec72
        with his range - he will shoot down Israeli planes right at the airfields! Jews will not allow this ..

        Yes, right in the factories ...
  9. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 25 January 2014 12: 45
    +1
    Good old hard rubber microphones with a wire. A microphone on a flexible bar is certainly not so convenient for bombing.
  10. Alexasmi
    Alexasmi 25 January 2014 13: 08
    0
    In general, it's cool: as far as I know, the front panels of the S-400 units are still labeled "Sov. Secret", who allowed to upload such pictures to the public?
  11. Lissyara
    Lissyara 25 January 2014 13: 19
    +8
    Okay, so they don’t speak, but still better than in this case in the photo wink
    1. freedom2013
      freedom2013 25 January 2014 20: 56
      +2
      Yes, and here - oil is not plastered
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    3. Nayhas
      Nayhas 25 January 2014 21: 01
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      Quote: LiSSyara
      Okay, so they don’t speak, but still better than in this case in the photo

      Fantastic!
    4. anarky
      anarky 26 January 2014 21: 53
      0
      This is by chance not a s-125 kp
      1. Air Force
        Air Force 26 January 2014 23: 11
        +2
        No. This is the K-2 SAM S-200.
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  13. voliador
    voliador 25 January 2014 15: 07
    +1
    Of course, we lag behind the West in electronics. There is something to improve.
    1. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 25 January 2014 19: 56
      +1
      Where in this case are behind? - Bring helmets with BP to you)))
  14. rolik2
    rolik2 25 January 2014 15: 27
    +2
    Quote: voliador
    Of course, we lag behind the West in electronics. There is something to improve.

    It’s not a matter of electronics, we just look more at functionality, reliability, cheapness than about the convenience of working with this equipment staff. I thought trackballs have not been used for a long time, but no.
    At one time, I suffered a lot with them, especially in the summer in the heat with sweaty hands and you don’t really twist, it is much easier than a joystick or an ordinary mouse.
    1. anarky
      anarky 26 January 2014 22: 04
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      Mouse pro_boot. Anything can happen in the army. And try to pick out the trackball :) Although the trackball on the 300ke is really nasty. Sweaty fingers are very uncomfortable to twist. But here they are rubberized along the way.
  15. spirit
    spirit 25 January 2014 17: 06
    +1
    It looks like a spaceship control panel, from American fiction of the late 70s laughing
  16. xomaNN
    xomaNN 25 January 2014 18: 12
    +4
    From a design point of view, the operator’s place is very worthy. It is clear that the filling is digital. Remembering our places BCh-3 on BOD - progress is evident smile
    1. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 25 January 2014 20: 51
      +2
      You would have compared with Aurora!
  17. disa
    disa 25 January 2014 19: 35
    +3
    Sharman ... is there heating for the operator’s legs ???, and for ergonomics it’s necessary to invite specialists from the automobile industry or aviation .. then it will be better and more convenient, and we should not forget that the operator is also a person that customers very often neglect. f the military, our military, which for some reason, if there is a fully functional automotive industry, doesn’t even think of ordering a bus for transporting personnel instead of a truck with an awning, and even more so it doesn’t fit into the square head box, that it needs climate control, onditsioner, super efficient heating, seating improved design combines both security personnel and necessary for their comfort during long rendition are also consuming more power and as machine-gun will not lift wink etc ... it is precisely the absence of such civilization that they poke us constantly .. So what's the matter? We will create conditions for personnel saving and protecting, supporting and understandable intuitively ... laughing
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  19. freedom2013
    freedom2013 25 January 2014 21: 06
    +3
    From personal experience. The ergonomics of the workplace and the ergonomics of living conditions during exercises (God forbid in combat) are 2 big differences. 1991, we listeners VVA them. Gagarin was brought to Alabino to familiarize himself with the air defense of the Ground Forces. S-300 from the march deployed in 5-7 minutes. and was in complete BG. We (VVS) in ah ... e, really. Let's get acquainted and ask one of the navigators a question: And where do you sleep during the exercises. Answer "In the workplace, there are comfortable chairs. Where are you?" Ours: "At home with his wife or mistress." In general, the exchange of views turned out to be very necessary. In my exercises, the soldiers slept on beds, on a mattress with a pillow and a blanket. Here is the bed linen could not provide. For me, this is ergonomics (to put on, put on shoes, feed - then demand)
  20. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 26 January 2014 00: 05
    +1
    Strange jobs in the photos in the article. Gravity already canceled? There probably people should be engaged in intellectual and responsible work. Inclined desktops on which to put nothing. Neither a map, nor instruction, nor command of the command, nor a plan of operations, nor technical material on the system, nor a reference manual on enemy aircraft, nor a textbook, not a summary, not a reconnaissance message, not a photograph of the enemy (the most vile), nor a photograph of his wife or mistress (very-most), neither a cup of coffee, nor a sandwich made in the morning with her hand. What a life?
    And the keyboard embedded in the table is ergonomics?
    1. anarky
      anarky 26 January 2014 23: 12
      +2
      they should not put anything there. The whole environment on the displays



      As you can see, even in the old 300s, KP does not have anything in the workplace.
      1. Falcon5555
        Falcon5555 27 January 2014 00: 32
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        The movie is good. I see that in the old 300s there is nothing on the remotes in this movie, because these are remotes with buttons that you need to click on. It is clear that these employees are uncomfortable. It is clear that the whole situation on the displays will never be. And not only the situation is needed, but everything else that I mentioned. A map of the area, a cup of coffee, an order from the command to open or not fire, and, literally, under what conditions, and everything else.
        1. anarky
          anarky 28 January 2014 19: 24
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          I see that in the old 300s there is nothing on the remotes in this movie, because these are remotes with buttons that you need to click on. It is clear that these employees are uncomfortable.

          Nothing lies there. You may not be aware, but in the army for each thing has its own place. No office tea.

          It is clear that the whole situation on the displays will never be.

          And what situation will not be there? What do they need to see on paper? There, in general, on screens / indicators (even with such a non-user-friendly interface, as in the 300-ke), everything necessary is displayed. Have you seen that the calculation would have spied somewhere, into some kind of mythical pieces of paper?

          A map of the area, a cup of coffee, an order from the command to open or not fire, and, literally, under what conditions, and everything else.

          Well, a cup of coffee is probably such a touch of humor. And the rest is some kind of magical things that are not described by a list of combat documents. There can only be one order: on taking up combat duty. Everything else is described by you combat manuals. How do you imagine this order at all? All pieces of paper (and there are actually a lot of them, but they were drawn up, thought out and reviewed before conducting the database) are in the tablets of the respective officers. There is no time and no reason to watch them there. It takes seconds to detect / identify / issue tsu / shelling.
  21. jjj
    jjj 26 January 2014 01: 32
    +2
    Yes, on C-300 PMU screens the size of a pack of cigarettes. And according to them, operators are able to manually capture and hold targets. And here is a whole video show. But there is one thing. After the color monitor, when you exit in the dark, the eyes adapt for at least five minutes. Proven in practice. Walking in a familiar place, of course you will not get lost. But if you are observing the surroundings precisely on the monitor or stupidly sitting on the Internet with a computer, and, finally, playing with a smartphone, then when you look at the surroundings at night, you cannot distinguish between the details. Everything seems completely black. So the abyss is short.
  22. Kostyanich
    Kostyanich 26 January 2014 01: 35
    +2
    Yes, normal jobs, why are you damn driving
    you try in the EfE and the Torah to sit in the heat
    even with my small stature there is a tin where it’s not convenient (because first of all they thought about fighting
    efficiency, and then about people)
    1. Moore
      Moore 26 January 2014 09: 24
      +2
      Yeah, somewhere I met the indignant babbling of some hamster on the subject: "Why a headset, a TLF and GGS handset together and why is it still not on the bluetooth ?!"
      And that all this should work after a cross-country march - it does not reach everyone.
      1. M. Peter
        M. Peter 26 January 2014 10: 10
        +2
        I agree with it, we have our electronics designed for a soldier’s boot. But it wouldn’t be so that during the first march of the throw it would fail.
  23. thinking
    thinking 26 January 2014 09: 40
    +1
    5 kopecks: in addition to weak ergonomics, it is necessary to seriously engage in design at more or less large enterprises. After all, this technique is exported. And the design of the 70s.
    1. anarky
      anarky 26 January 2014 21: 51
      0
      It's like a military technique. You should have seen the command post of the S-300 air defense system. There the concepts of "ergonomics" and "design" are absent as a fact, but everyone likes the device. Well, except for calculating MB :)
  24. andrei555
    andrei555 26 January 2014 14: 01
    +2
    class cabin ergonomics good places a lot of people will fight on this technique rather than travel to exotic places the main thing is that in the winter it is warm and in summer the ventilation is stronger and in the cabin in the summer you can get hot from the heat while the work goes on purpose
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  26. ko88
    ko88 28 January 2014 15: 55
    0
    we traditionally didn’t even think about the convenience for the crew, but the combat power on the contrary was a priority soldier
  27. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 1 February 2014 00: 34
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    The cabin looks, as they say, neat, but poor. The main thing is the improvement is visible and everything looks somehow more solid than that of the "colleagues" with displays hanging just like that. (I hope they will guess to improve the chair))