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Legend of the sinking of the cruiser

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2 July 1950 over the expanses of the Sea of ​​Japan thundered several explosions. The episode entered history like the battle of Chamonchin Chan, was the first case of a sea confrontation between the DPRK and fleet Allies during the Korean War.

As is often the case, both sides adhere to strictly opposite points of view on the results and significance of this battle. Subjects of the Juche ideology are sure that at that time they managed to sink a large Allied warship - the cruiser Baltimore. Of course, the Yankees carefully concealed the loss of a heavy cruiser from the rest of the world.

As a result, a whole detective story was born with a conspiracy component and conspiracy theory. What if the Koreans really banged the Baltimore long before its “official cancellation” in 1971?

North Korean version. Wonderful win

... The torpedo boat rushes forward, raising fountains of spray. The commander shouts “Fire!”, The gallant crew prepares to attack at their combat posts. The torpedo rushes forward, to the place where the board of the enemy ship sparkles with thick metal. Hit Victory!!!

The sculptural group “Guards of the Sea of ​​the Motherland” in one of the squares of Pyongyang demonstrates the courage and bravery of the North Korean sailors who are ready to fight a numerically superior enemy at any moment and to overthrow the foe into the sea abyss. Just as it happened more than half a century ago - the hot summer of 1950.

Legend of the sinking of the cruiser


At midnight on July 2 1950, the 2 Division of torpedo boats left the Sokhcho naval base with the firm intention to detect and attack the American squadron off the coast of the Korean Peninsula.

"Our sailors were filled with steel faith in victory and determination to crush the enemy fleet."

Moonless night and heavy bursts of waves. But Koreans stubbornly continue to search for the enemy in a given square. Without radar and other modern devices, relying only on the vigilance of their own eyes and the power of thought. Finally, at about four o'clock in the morning, dark silhouettes of the ships appeared in front ...

"They discovered the enemy, and their hearts were even more intense with hatred of the aggressors."

Like a flock of stealing tigers, torpedo boats silently approached the compound of enemy cruisers. The dark summer night and the numerical superiority put down the watchfulness of the watch on the ships of the US Navy. None of them expected our attack. In vain!

At the signal of the division commander, Comrade Kim Gong Oka, three high breakers boiled on the sea surface: torpedo boats №21, №22 and №23 rushed into the attack. Ahead, a huge “floating island” was expanding and growing in size - the 200-meter cruiser “Baltimore”. Mighty steel monster with dozens of guns and 1000 American warriors on board. They came here to bring grief and destruction to the coast of Korea. There will be no mercy for them!


USS Baltimore (CA-68)

Like a smooth streamlined melon, the torpedo slipped into the water and a minute later hit the side of an enemy ship. The confused enemy finally came to himself and fiercely returned fire. The sea was boiling from the ruptures of shells of the main, universal and anti-aircraft caliber.

“The fiery wind beat their faces, but they rushed forward courageously.”

No sooner had a heavy rumble dispersed over the sea surface from the first explosion, a new torpedo hit the side of the cruiser. The crew of the torpedo boat №21 to the end fulfilled its sacred duty to the Motherland.
In a panic, the Yankees jumped overboard the sinking ship, when two new torpedo explosions finally broke the Baltimore in half, resting its debris at the bottom of the deep East Korean Sea.

Developing the success of the attack, the boats set up a smoke curtain and, having regrouped the line, continued the destruction of the enemy squadron. Boat number XXUMX caused the fire of an American destroyer. At this time, his comrades came close to the light cruiser and fired a torpedo salvo at full speed. Sea space shuddered from a new explosion - one of the torpedoes landed in a light American cruiser.



"In that battle, our brave sailors achieved victory, which the history of battles at sea did not yet know."

The enemy heavy cruiser was sunk and another light cruiser was damaged. No one thought that such a small force could successfully attack such a large and well-armed group of surface ships.

“The foreign press wrote about this event: a huge cruiser was sunk by torpedo boats. This is not just a fight. This is a miracle.

The cruiser "Baltimore" had a displacement of 17 thousand tons. The length of the cruiser exceeded 200 meters. It had 69 ship guns and there were 1100 sailors.

The crew of a torpedo boat totaled only 7 people. Its displacement was equal to 17 tons, and the armament consisted of an anti-aircraft machine gun and two torpedoes.



Small torpedo boats were like grains of sand against the backdrop of huge warships. In the war between the young DPRK and the United States there was too great a difference in the balance of forces. But, despite the brute force and numerical superiority, the American aggressors eventually had to kneel before the proud people of Korea.

“In memory of that great feat accomplished by our sons 2 July 1950, a monument was erected here and a military hero in Pyongyang exhibited one of the three heroic boats that took part in that battle on the territory of the stronghold of military glory.

Long live the ideas of Juche and Songun, which serve as a beacon for all mankind! ”


Allied version

On the night of July 2, a compound consisting of the American cruiser “Juno” and two British cruisers - the heavy “Black Swan” and the light “Jamaica” - patrolled the coastal waters of the Korean Peninsula.

At the predawn hour, the radars of the ships detected suspicious activity on the horizon. The ship was turned closer to the coast, and soon the watchmen noticed a convoy of a dozen barges with cargoes for the North Korean army under 4 guard of torpedo (or patrol) boats (it was not possible to precisely identify the enemy). Despite the enormous difference in power, the Korean boats did not think to retreat. They boldly rushed to the enemy.

An analog computer buzzed at the “Juno” combat information post, reckoning the location of the target relative to the ship, its speed and course. Artillery turrets were set in motion on the upper deck - all six twin 5 '/ 38 units turned to the desired angle, and projectiles dropped to the gun trays. A second later, on the site of the North Korean torpedo boats, poles of water shot up alongside with wooden chips and fragments of metal structures.


Light cruiser USS Juneau (CL-119)

When the spray and smoke cleared, observers reported on the destruction of three enemy boats. The fourth was in full swing behind the horizon. No order for persecution was received.
North Korean convoy scattered in coastal waters. Squadron of the UN without a loss returned to the same course.

Subsequently, when the DPRK announced the sinking of the heavy cruiser “Baltimore”, US officials made a surprised look and said that the “Baltimore” never participated in the Korean War. At the beginning of the 50's, he acted as part of the Mediterranean Sixth Fleet. Moreover, from July 1946 to November 1951, the cruiser was in a mothballed state in the reserve fleet in Brementon and in no way could take part in the naval battle off the coast of Korea 2 on July 1950.

Truth Is Out There

Do not rush to laugh at the inventions of the North Koreans and call the whole story with "Baltimore" ineptly decorated propaganda. North Korea has repeatedly proved that its threats and statements are not just words. At the slightest opportunity, the leadership of the DPRK goes to the most decisive measures to remind the world of its existence and punish all those who believe Pyongyang is guilty of the troubles of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

Seamen of the DPRK naval forces recorded two solid victories - the forceful seizure of the American reconnaissance ship Pueblo (1968 year) and the sinking of the South Korean corvette Cheonan (2010, controversially - the DPRK declared not to participate in the incident). So the courage and determination of the Koreans not to occupy, as well as combat training and ingenuity.

Further, the possibility of drowning a cruiser by a torpedo boat does not cause much surprise. Torpedo - powerful weapon, and if the speedboat managed to get close to the enemy, then the victory was in their pocket. Suffice it to recall their first combat use - the Russian boats Chesma and Sinop sank the Turkish steamer Itinbach (1878). So the Koreans even lied about the uniqueness of the attack - in the history of the known cases and more interesting.

The third point: "Baltimore" is not just a warship, but the same-name series of 14 heavy cruisers from the Second World War. The statements about the absence of a ship with such a name in the combat zone does not mean the absence of cruisers of similar design.


USS Macon (CA-132) - 11-th in the series of cruisers of the type "Baltimore"

Finally, the very fact of the 02.07.1950 battle is beyond doubt - the Yankees and the British found torpedo boats, the Koreans rushed to the attack, despite the numerical superiority of the enemy.

What ended the fight? Was there a torpedo hit on one of the Allied ships? Most likely, the North Korean sailors died the death of the brave, trying to attack the heavily armed ships with rapid-fire cannons and modern SLA. And yet, if by chance it turns out that one of the Baltimors had damage caused by torpedo weapons, this could be a rather interesting turn in the events of the Korean War.


"Baltimore" is cut into metal in the vicinity of Portland, 1972.


Selected photos from the DPRK - http://golovko.livejournal.com
Ship Photos - http://www.navsource.org
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  1. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 21 January 2014 09: 06
    +4
    the Yankees could have hidden, they had no faith for a long time!
    Cases of concealment by them of losses in the Korean War are well-known, and here they have concealed!
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 21 January 2014 09: 25
      +12
      You can hide the loss of an airplane (lost due to a technical malfunction), a tank (drowned in a swamp), but the loss of such a ship (the fate of each unit from the 14 built must be traced) cannot be hidden. Especially where he could disappear from the bottom of the sea, or did the Yankees lift him in one moonless night? After all, ours were carefully watching everything. Usually the resting places of such carcasses are marked on the maps — is it there?
      It is possible that some of the ships received damage, and this could already be considered an excellent result, but you should not inflate the story of the sinking from this.
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 21 January 2014 17: 53
        +1
        There, in general, from the time of the Russian-Japanese to the devil of iron at the bottom.
        Seventeen thousand more at the bottom, seventeen thousand less - who will find and take apart? The blown up Cheonan won how many days they searched despite the fact that the place was spotted by GPS.
        1. Assistant
          Assistant 22 January 2014 01: 56
          0
          Seventeen thousand more at the bottom, seventeen thousand less - who will find and take apart?


          One more mattress cruiser with a crew of one thousand US citizens who returned to the port, more, one less such cruiser ... Did you have any questions about the loss of a Baltimore class cruiser in 1950? That would be interesting to know.
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 21 January 2014 18: 00
      +3
      Especially funny in the Yankee opus is a match about wood chips - a boat that is the Soviet all-metal Tupolev Design Bureau - TKA.
      Drop torpedoes aft.
      Boats could have been shot, this is true, but after the torpedo was dropped.
      One or two could have hit.
      There are many options ...
      But about wood chips from all-metal boats, they were most likely keen on sweeping the convoy dzhons and missed the attack.
      And there...
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 22 January 2014 07: 31
        0
        the boat is the Soviet all-metal Tupolev Design Bureau - TKA.
        TCA is an index, for Koreans it is No.. And the rest you are right - this is an all-metal Tupolev G-5.
  2. makarov
    makarov 21 January 2014 09: 22
    +1
    And yet it’s interesting: - Was there a boy ???
  3. svskor80
    svskor80 21 January 2014 09: 41
    +6
    Obviously there was something. Sink may not have sunk, but damaged, for example. The Americans, with their powerful navy, are certainly not to face even the slightest success of the "savages" -Communists.
    1. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 22 January 2014 07: 37
      0
      The Americans, with their powerful navy, are certainly not to face even the slightest success of the "savages" -Communists.
      Moreover, on Soviet boats of the 1933 model of the year.
  4. Saburo
    Saburo 21 January 2014 09: 46
    +1
    I wonder what our sources say about this? Would the USSR lie would hide such a huge success of its newly-minted ally.

    Although, frankly, I certainly do not believe in the DPRK version.
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 21 January 2014 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: Saburo
      I wonder what our sources say about this?

      Damage to heavy and light cruisers, at the cost of losing 3 of 4 TC.
      War in Korea, 1950-1953. - SPb. 2003. ISBN 5-89173-145-2
      This is essentially a reprint of the book of the same name by a team of authors led by S.S. Lototsky sample of the mid-50s.
    2. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 22 January 2014 07: 44
      -1
      I wonder what our sources say about this? Would the USSR lie would hide such a huge success of its newly-minted ally.
      Our sources say that the Koreans were given 5 boats, the Americans were attacked by 4, 1 survived, not a single torpedo was fired.
  5. pahom54
    pahom54 21 January 2014 10: 01
    +2
    Any totalitarian regime is characterized by a strong propaganda machine, capable of educating its population ideologically with examples. So, even if THAN TIMES Koreans didn’t drown anything, however, the created image of heroic katernik sailors didn’t bring harm, but brought only benefit ... There are examples (albeit fictitious) on which they educate personnel of their military navy ...
    1. Magellan
      Magellan 21 January 2014 10: 04
      -14%
      Quote: pahom54
      A powerful propaganda machine is characteristic of any totalitarian regime ... however, the DPRK did not bring harm to the created image of heroic sailor-boatmen

      The DPRK was harmed by the totalitarian regime itself with a "strong propaganda machine"

      An ugly, poor and embittered ulcer on the body of the whole world, whose leadership openly mocks its own people. The DPRK would have ceased to exist long ago, if not for the "aid" of China, which is not profitable for a strong, united Korea.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 21 January 2014 11: 46
        +5
        "An ugly, impoverished and embittered ulcer on the body of the whole world, whose leadership openly mocks its own people" is a small country that for decades has not been afraid to resist the states and their "hirelings", pursuing an independent policy no matter what, being in years, but not giving up ... and already heroes, huh?)
        1. Santa Fe
          21 January 2014 18: 33
          -1
          Quote: fartfraer
          a small country that has not been afraid to confront the states and their "hirelings" for decades, pursuing an independent policy no matter what, being in the blockade for many years, but not surrendering

          50 years have passed, thousands of books have been written, millions of eyewitnesses, photographic evidence, the Internet ... the situation with the DPRK is obvious, like black and white, but fartfraer seemed to have read the Pravda newspaper for 1950. It's not a shame to write such nonsense
          Quote: fartfraer
          self-governing policy

          The entire "independent policy" of the DPRK boils down to begging for US humanitarian aid in exchange for stopping another provocation. And getting oil and coal from China in exchange for the continuation of the clownery. Give more mess and luzlov! - in exchange for oil

          China acts strictly out of its interests - it does not need a competitor in the form of a united Korea.
          Quote: fartfraer
          blockaded for many years

          Only the people of North Korea are in the "blockade"

          The Kimov family has not heard of any blockade. The current Tsarek Eun studied in Bern, Switzerland
          And the regular appearances of the top leadership of the DPRK under "fake" documents in the casinos of Hong Kong and Macau have already become the parable of the warriors.

          A luxury yacht is also available - produced by the British company Princess Yachts International.


          Quote: fartfraer
          confront the states and their "hirelings"

          What did South Korea lose from cooperation with the States and the rest of the world ?? One of the richest countries in the world, a leader in shipbuilding and high technology

          SAMSUNG ad on New York City main square
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 21 January 2014 20: 17
            0
            The North Korean government has sold out!
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 21 January 2014 20: 16
          0
          And contrary to all the efforts of the enemies, they were even able to take possession of the atom!
          1. stoqn477
            stoqn477 21 January 2014 21: 30
            0
            Quote: Basarev
            And contrary to all the efforts of the enemies, they were even able to take possession of the atom!

            What exactly is atomic development, to make the life of North Koreans better?
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 21 January 2014 21: 58
              0
              At least now the Americans and other husks are bored with meddling in North Korea
              1. Santa Fe
                21 January 2014 22: 04
                0
                Quote: Basarev
                Now the Americans and other husks are bored with meddling in North Korea

                The inhabitants of the DPRK have problems and more importantly the American threat. Nothing to eat

                ps / security guarantor Kim Jong-un - China
                1. Rakti-kali
                  Rakti-kali 22 January 2014 12: 51
                  0
                  Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                  The inhabitants of the DPRK have problems and more importantly the American threat. Nothing to eat

                  Firstly, it is in this wording that this is nonsense.
                  Secondly, can you answer the question why the DPRK has problems with food provision?
                  1. Santa Fe
                    22 January 2014 13: 36
                    -1
                    Quote: Rakti-Kali
                    Firstly, it is in this wording that this is nonsense.

                    I am not going to argue with you on this issue. We have an article "Insulting the feelings of believers", so argue with yourself if you sincerely believe in the absence of hunger in the DPRK
                    Quote: Rakti-Kali
                    can you answer the question why the DPRK has problems with food supply?

                    DPRK population 24 million people
                    The population of South Korea 49 million people.

                    In the DPRK there are "problems with providing food" for its own population. the Yankees will delay humanitarian aid (due to Eun's regular threats to conduct new tests of missiles and nuclear weapons)
                    South Korea - one of the largest exporters of food

                    On the emblem of the DPRK is depicted a power plant (HPS). North Korea sits without light.
                    South Korea - one of the brightest regions of the planet, when viewed from space

                    All this is a consequence of the mess in the country, deliberately turned by its own leadership "into a fortress under siege" (this is directly stated in one of the points of the Juche ideology - read about this miracle and you will naturally have no questions about "why the DPRK has problems with food")
                    1. Rakti-kali
                      Rakti-kali 22 January 2014 17: 01
                      0
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      I am not going to argue with you on this issue. We have an article "Insulting the feelings of believers", so argue with yourself if you sincerely believe in the absence of hunger in the DPRK

                      I am not going to consider questions of faith, to which you are so persistently leading. I AM I knowthat hunger in the DPRK is now gone. And you, of course, can continue to believe in your errors, I’m not going to convince you.
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      South Korea - one of the largest exporters of food

                      Thanks to tens of billions of dollars of foreign investment in the economy of the Republic of Kazakhstan, of which since 1991 the DPRK has been completely deprived.
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      The population of North Korea is 24 million. The population of South Korea is 49 million.

                      In the DPRK of all agricultural land 29 thousand square meters. km
                      In the Republic of Kazakhstan only arable fields (flooded under rice and dry under wheat) are more than 17 thousand square meters. km
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      South Korea - one of the largest exporters of food

                      And the importers too.
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      In the DPRK there are "problems with providing food" for its own population. Yankees will delay humanitarian aid

                      Are you ill? (c) Brother2
                      Less agricultural land, not the most favorable climate (in the Republic of Kazakhstan, by the way, it’s a little warmer and wetter, which is good for agricultural), lack of investment (foreign), sanctions (yes, fertilizer deliveries too), and of course focus on the maintenance of a large army (and not to say that it is not justified).
                      Not the handouts of the UN, DPRK is alive.
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      On the emblem of the DPRK is depicted a power plant (hydroelectric station). DPRK sits without light. Yu. Korea is one of the most brightly lit regions of the planet, when viewed from outer space.

                      Look at Russia - 9/10 of the territory is the same darkened.
                      But the DPRK really does not have enough energy - there is not enough hydroelectric power station, and there is no money for fuel for TPPs, and if they were found, the United States will make every effort to put sticks in the wheels of those companies that decide to trade with the DPRK.
                      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
                      All this is a consequence of the mess in the country

                      Unfortunately, all this is the result of a mess in the heads of ardent xenopatriots ...
                2. Basarev
                  Basarev 24 January 2014 19: 31
                  0
                  It seems that the North Korean authorities did not realize that only the USSR could truly afford socialism ...
      2. Fofan
        Fofan 21 January 2014 12: 27
        0
        Quote: Magellan
        The DPRK would have ceased to exist long ago, if not for the "aid" of China, which is not profitable for a strong, united Korea.

        Do the Chinese know?
      3. smile
        smile 21 January 2014 13: 36
        +14
        Magellan
        Oddly enough, I have to agree with you on something. :)))
        An ugly and embittered ulcer on the body of the Planet exists - not only where you indicated, but on the territory of North America. This ulcer tends to spread, spreading wars, destruction and death all over the world ... millions of lives are counted ... only this is a rich ulcer due to the indestructible habit of armed robbery and counterfeiting.
        And the colleague to whom you answered right, a totalitarian state always has a strong propaganda machine - the totalitarian regime has the most powerful propaganda machine of all times and peoples - akin to the system of ray towers described by the Strugatskys in "Inhabited Island", only their propaganda tries to influence not only their country, and the entire Planet.
        By the way, a strong united Korea has never been the goal of the United States, their goal is Korea-semi-colony. Because the United States will do everything so that Korea does not unite.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 21 January 2014 13: 42
          +1
          Quote: smile
          Oddly enough, I have to agree with you on something. :)))

          Still, if I agreed EVERYTHINGthen it would not be you ...
          WELCOME smileWhere the hell are you? I haven’t seen you all year! wink

          You will not believe it, I am sincerely glad of your "materialization" ...
          1. smile
            smile 21 January 2014 14: 41
            +1
            Corsair
            Hi myself! :)))
            Where was it? You see, while all normal people are celebrating holidays, emoticons are wound on business trips :))) You're right, the devil is to blame :)))
            And why am I not believing this? On the contrary, I am very much for making my presence happy :))) By the way, I am also glad to see your kind avatar :))))
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 21 January 2014 14: 48
              +2
              Quote: smile
              Hi myself! :)))

              As I understand it, the "technical component" of your absence has been successfully overcome ...
              1. smile
                smile 21 January 2014 16: 59
                0
                Corsair
                You understand correctly :))) Therefore, my presence on the site will now be less often absent ... :)))) Up to the next "technical component". :)))
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 21 January 2014 17: 22
                  0
                  Quote: smile
                  Up to the next "technical component".

                  Don't pamper stop ... Buy a normal laptop.
                  1. smile
                    smile 21 January 2014 20: 22
                    +1
                    Corsair
                    Yes, there was something buggy for only a few days, dragged to a friend and he quickly cured me, by the 3rd day, reinstalled some drivers and that’s all. And my piece of iron is still quite young. :)))
    2. mamba
      mamba 21 January 2014 14: 52
      +2
      Quote: pahom54
      Any totalitarian regime is characterized by a strong propaganda machine, capable of educating its population ideologically with examples.

      Our propaganda in Soviet times also practiced such methods. In my childhood I read stories about the war in the north. In one of them, the cannon of a coastal battery was sunk by a fascist raider. In another - our destroyer, periodically jumping out of the fog, was twice torpedoed by the fascist raider. Probably the same. But these are works of art. And here is how they dealt with the facts. I remember the stages of discovering the truth about the battles in Stalingrad. At first, our propaganda claimed that for the entire time of the Battle of Stalingrad, the Germans never broke through to the Volga. Many years later, it turned out that somewhere in one place they still reached the Volga, but were immediately knocked out of these positions. And I did not know how to relate to the stories of my cousin - a participant in the battles in Stalingrad, who fought on the front lines from the first days of the battle, who said that the city was almost completely captured by the Germans, that the 62nd Army was dismembered and pressed to the shore, that on August 23, the 14th Panzer Corps of the 6th Army of Paulus reached the Volga and captured the heights north of Stalingrad, blocking navigation on the Volga.
      To my questions he answered: "But we made them all the same! That was the sweeter our victory!"
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 21 January 2014 18: 09
        +1
        My her to know what you were given in kindergarten and school to read.
        But the story of how several German officers could not breathe the Volga air (that’s still a pleasure at the end of the summer) and I swim from kindergarten (I went to school in 1976).
        Like, three chances came ashore and there was a flurry - they killed one sniper bullet, then a flurry and the second with a mine, rushed the last one to run and ripped and scattered the third shell along the Volga coast.

        And on the towers from T34 on the pedestals you can find where the German units reached the Volga. I myself was there. Saw.
    3. Larus
      Larus 22 January 2014 01: 13
      0
      Yes, but in the states the car still works ....
  6. Shogun23
    Shogun23 21 January 2014 11: 59
    0
    Most likely, the strike was possible, but there was no talk of sinking, another thing is that it could not have necessarily been the Baltimore and not necessarily the TKR, the DPRK simply took a medium-weight ship for the "propaganda goal" of the attack (a battleship is too much, Light cruiser or destroyer - few)
  7. bvi1965
    bvi1965 21 January 2014 13: 17
    0
    The cruiser "Baltimore" had a displacement of 17 thousand tons. The length of the cruiser exceeded 200 meters. It had 69 ship guns and there were 110 sailors.

    And where else have 1000 sailors gone? Then can the Korean version really?
  8. moremansf
    moremansf 21 January 2014 13: 39
    +5
    REFERENCE: The losses of the personnel of the US Navy amounted to 2043 people, including 279 killed, 23 dead from wounds, 165 missing and 1576 wounded. The US Navy lost 5 warships and support ships from mine explosions, and 73 ships, including all 4 battleships, were damaged. Combat losses of the Navy and Marine Corps aircraft amounted to 564 vehicles (5 aircraft were shot down in air battles, and 559 were destroyed by anti-aircraft fire weapons). In the literature and reference publications, there is practically no information about the sinking of the DPRK Navy of a cruiser of the "Baltimore" type ... It is possible that this fact was used for ideological purposes to raise the spirit of the Korean people in the war against the aggressors ...
    1. dustycat
      dustycat 21 January 2014 18: 13
      +1
      But who is arguing here that the Drowned ?!
      But they could torpedo.
      It is difficult to distinguish a hole from a torpedo from a hole from a mine.
      The warhead mass is almost the same.
      And in papers one can give out one after another.
    2. m262
      m262 21 January 2014 19: 53
      +1
      As for the losses of the Navy, I may have agreed, but 559 of the 564 aircraft were shot down by anti-aircraft fire. This is a very controversial statement. In the Korean War, F 86 "saber" jet fighters were massively used, and to shoot down a supersonic aircraft with anti-aircraft weapons of the 40s is a non-trivial task.
      I think it’s no secret when B 29 ended as a strike aircraft:
      On October 30, 1951, the US Air Force called it "Black Tuesday" - on that day, a group of B 29 bombers, 21 in number, attacked at 15 minutes, as a result of the battle 12 "super fortresses" and 4 F 84 were shot down, and they also lost 1 MiG 15
      http://rocketpolk44.narod.ru/stran/migkor.htm
      So, far from all the figures from the US reports are correct.
      hi
      1. Santa Fe
        21 January 2014 20: 01
        0
        Quote: m262
        and to shoot down a supersonic plane with 40-x anti-aircraft guns, the task is frankly nontrivial.

        From what
        75% of jet aircraft of the 40 army in Afghanistan were shot down by basmachi from DShK machine guns (as an option - AK and Berdanok, less often - PGI). in short, became victims of anti-aircraft artillery

        And only a quarter of losses - MANPADS

        Link Su-17 (IBA)
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 21 January 2014 22: 04
          +2
          E-uh on Su-17 from DShK, Kalash and Berdanok, mean? And 75%? Could it still be at least about transport aircraft? Or, conversely, about isolated cases with supersonic aircraft from ambushes near airfields?
          1. Santa Fe
            21 January 2014 22: 47
            0
            Quote: fzr1000
            Uh-uh by Su-17 from DShK, Kalash and Berdanok, mean?

            Yes
            full list here http://coollib.net/b/234140/read#t60

            December 4 1982 - the combat loss of the Su-17 mZ aircraft, the 136 th Apib (Chirchik). Departure from the Kandahar airfield. Major Gavrikov Victor, senior pilot senior lieutenant Khlebnikov Igor. The line from the DShK passed through the cockpit. In all likelihood, the pilots died in the air, so no one ejected.

            18 of August 1983 - the combat loss of the Su-17 mZ aircraft, the 156 th Apib (Mary-2). Departure from the Kandahar airfield. Downed by fire DShK dive.

            17 of January 1984 - the combat loss of the Su-17 mZ aircraft, the 156 apib (Mary-2). Departure from the Shindant airfield. Major of the regiment’s intelligence chief Nikolai Fedorovich Nagibin (this was his first combat flight in Afghanistan). Aircraft group: 2 MiG-21 bis (927-IAP, Birch airfield) and 4 Su-17 mZ struck in 35 km south of Shindant in the mountainous region. After dropping air bombs, the plane at the exit from the dive collided with a mountain and exploded. When examining the crash site in the K-36 heading, bullet holes were found, it is most likely that the pilot died during shelling at the time of withdrawal.

            etc..... sad

            The amers in Vietnam had the same thing - 3 / 4 losses of Phantoms / Thunderchiffs, etc. Intruders - small arms (AK / DShK / ZU-23)
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  10. kaktus
    kaktus 21 January 2014 17: 47
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    And nefig was to climb wherever they called! am
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 22 January 2014 01: 37
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      Here's how two different sources interpret these events: The War in Korea, 1950-1953. - SPb .: Polygon, 2003.

      The fleet was tasked with obstructing the actions of intervention ships in the area of ​​the offensive of the 5th Infantry Division on the coast from Cape Chumunzhin to Cape Pi (Scheme 22).
      Fleet headquarters has developed an attack plan for enemy ships in a given area. To solve the combat mission, four torpedo boats were allocated. At the headquarters with the commanders of the boats, a group lesson was conducted on the search and attack of enemy ships. Upon completion of the preparation of the material part of the boat, they moved from the main base of Wonsan to the advanced base of Sokcho.
      At midnight on July 2, 1950, dedicated torpedo boats left Sokcho’s base with the task of finding and destroying enemy ships. At 4 hours 20 minutes in the area east of Chumunzhin, the boats discovered the masts of large ships and went closer to them. The boats were on the background of the dark coast, and the enemy’s ships were more maritime on the illuminated side of the horizon. Due to this, the DPRK boats were not detected by the enemy until the release of torpedoes. The detachment of enemy ships consisted of a heavy cruiser of the Baltimore type, a light cruiser of the Jamaica type, and a destroyer. The enemy did not expect such a daring attack from the DPRK torpedo boats, as a result of which the observation of the water surface was weakened [479] on the ships. Surprise ensured the success of the attack of torpedo boats. Two or three torpedoes hit the heavy cruiser, and one torpedo exploded at the side of the light cruiser. Both cruisers were damaged, but reached their base. In this battle, two torpedo boats of the DPRK were sunk by fire from enemy ships, the third boat was damaged and washed ashore. Only one boat, which attacked first and used the smoke screen to break away from the enemy, managed to reach its base.
      Thus, the actions of torpedo boats against a detachment of American ships were carried out boldly [480] and decisively. Despite the fact that torpedo boats went on the attack without the support of artillery ships and aircraft, they nevertheless reached the salvo point from a distance of 2-3 cable, which is evidence of the high courage of the DPRK sailors and an indicator of their good training. The latter is confirmed by a still high percentage of torpedo hits and the fact that all torpedoes that hit the target exploded.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 22 January 2014 01: 38
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        Cagle M. and Manson F. Naval War in Korea. - M., Military Publishing House, 1962.

        On Sunday, July 2, the U.S. Navy held its first naval battle in the war. On this day, the Juneau cruiser, together with the Jamaica cruiser and the Black Swan destroyer, found 4 North Korean torpedo boats near Chumunzhin off the east coast of Korea. Torpedo boats escorting a small coastal convoy of 10 trawlers headed south. Shortly after sunrise, both groups of ships noticed each other. When our ships turned towards the torpedo boats, the latter launched a bold but useless attack, opening fire from small-caliber guns. However, they did not succeed in firing torpedoes, since rounds with radio fuses exploded around them. One torpedo boat was sunk by the first salvo, the second lost speed and caught fire; the other two went at high speed: one to the shore, the other to the sea. The first boat washed ashore and was destroyed by artillery fire, the other managed to break away from the Black Swan destroyer pursuing him. The enemy’s small-caliber coastal guns fired several shots at our ships, and one of the shells lay down near the Juno’s left shell without causing any harm to the cruiser.
  11. samoletil18
    samoletil18 22 January 2014 21: 41
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    Well, for Americans, losing heavy cruisers is commonplace. In 1942, 3 of his own and 1 Australian plus damaged in one night in the battle of Savo. Without losses on the part of the Japanese and in the presence of the radars themselves. There is no smoke without fire. It could be that something was actually sunk identified, whether as "Baltimore", and they sincerely believe in it.