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At the plant "Mayak" test the first Ukrainian sniper rifle

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The plant "Mayak" is a real legend, it is almost 90 years old. Even before the war, musical instruments were made here. Subsequently released tape recorders, which were used in the Soviet Union. During the time of Independence they tried to produce TVs, but could not compete.


And 5 years ago, in order to survive the crisis, they decided: we will do small weapon.

One of the latest developments of the plant is the VPR 308 sniper rifle. Before being put into mass production, it is thoroughly tested, but it is already clear: this weapon is not inferior to the best world analogues. Kievans, before making their own, studied foreign experience.

“It is better to study the entire market and take a piece. New brought their own, arranged. The deadbolt is very well made here - it is made with two rows of lugs, ”says Alexander Lavruk, leading design engineer at the Mayak plant.

5 years ago in the Ministry of Defense set the task - to master their own production of small arms for their troops. In the spring of 2008, the first samples of an infantry machine gun were made, and in December the first batch was sold.

“Our weapon is cheaper, and in terms of parameters it roughly corresponds to what the best manufacturers produce,” said Valery Fesienko, chief designer of the Mayak plant.

Former officer of the elite special forces Victor Beregovoi tests all weapons at the factory. “When we tested a tank machine gun, we overcame 25 thousands of shots, and we never cleaned it. I wanted to try to kill him on purpose — it didn't work out, ”says Victor.

These weapons are sold to Africa, Southeast Asia, and since last year to Turkey. For all their development money earn themselves. “All is ours. Everything is made of our metal. Refitting and development - at their own expense. We don’t take budget funds, ”says Alexander Peregudov, Director General of the Mayak plant.

Next in line is the development of a Ukrainian pistol. The main competitors of our gunsmiths are Russians, they are the first in the arms market. But Ukrainians are preparing to fight the legendary Kalashnikov machine gun.
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  1. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 17 January 2014 10: 46
    +19
    But the Ukrainians are preparing to fight the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle.

    With the production of concern them. Kalashnikov? Is it too loudly said?
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 17 January 2014 11: 07
      +3
      A sniper rifle assembled at a musical instrument factory ...
      1. Yozhas
        Yozhas 17 January 2014 11: 10
        +26
        Yes, there’s nothing to worry about. Priors have the same thing in Dagestan at the former cannery, they collect nothing, they drive nothing !!! laughing
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 17 January 2014 15: 11
          +18
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Yes, there’s nothing to worry about. Priors have the same thing in Dagestan at the former cannery, they collect nothing, they drive nothing !!!

          In this case, at least one workshop was initially specialized - the canning workshop laughing
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 17 January 2014 18: 55
            +5
            VLM in domestic tape recorders was also a product of precision mechanical production.
            That bourgeois ones were stamping.
            1. demeen1
              demeen1 17 January 2014 19: 19
              +3
              The lighthouses had their own paintwork, which was heavy and reliable for ten years of using the lighthouse and was never lubricated. They were cleaned, in a word, the device was good.
          2. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 18 January 2014 07: 33
            +1
            Tee type against white tones Pirior have?
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      2. heathen
        heathen 17 January 2014 11: 19
        +21
        Yamaha, for example, also began with the production of harmoniums. And what motorcycles are doing now! :)
        1. Astrey
          Astrey 17 January 2014 11: 35
          +10
          The plant is very promising. On it under the Union and made tanks. Machine gun "Mayak" - just a fairy tale compared to the original Kalashnikov. The balance is amazing!

          I haven't held a rifle in my hands yet, but it's a matter of time. The rifle itself is a reconstructed "Zbroyar" and, otherwise you will not say - the similarity is not twins, but twins.
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 11: 40
            +6
            And in my opinion, it looks to the extreme like a German police rifle, I forgot the markings.
            1. GastaClaus69
              GastaClaus69 17 January 2014 12: 58
              +5
              HK PSG1 but German self-loading.
              1. Alex_Popovson
                Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 13: 45
                0
                But visually - a twin, despite Astrey's words, although without a flash suppressor. True, the Germans intentionally release this rifle without it, but still. Although it may have been taken as a prototype in terms of design, why does it seem to me that this is a common rifle for internal use, like all sorts of Forts 12 and 17?
                1. GastaClaus69
                  GastaClaus69 17 January 2014 15: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Alex_Popovson
                  Although perhaps it was taken as a prototype in terms of design

                  Yes, it’s just that all of these butt stocks, handles, and trims are of the Western type.
                  Quote: Alex_Popovson
                  why does it seem to me that this is a regular rifle for internal use, such as all sorts of Forts 12 and 17?

                  I think the small parties in the hunting / sports version will be exported. But here, even in Ukraine itself, they have competitors.
                  http://www.zbroyar.com.ua/rifles.php
                  1. Alex_Popovson
                    Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 15: 18
                    0
                    But here, even in Ukraine itself, they have competitors.

                    Hunting / sports - bullshit - we do not think every company and company floods the market with anything.
                    But Vinnitsa - it dominates, and through Soviet developments
                    1. GastaClaus69
                      GastaClaus69 17 January 2014 15: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex_Popovson
                      Soviet developments

                      ?? if I'm not mistaken except for alterations and body kit AK Fort has nothing to do with the Soviet ches.
                      1. Alex_Popovson
                        Alex_Popovson 18 January 2014 12: 36
                        -1
                        But is this not enough?
                      2. vanaheym
                        vanaheym 18 January 2014 16: 29
                        0
                        Weighed with a body kit Magpul and FAB Defense. Yes, this is not enough
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            2. yehat
              yehat 17 January 2014 14: 32
              0
              The Germans have been working for 15 years to improve the characteristics of the automatic firing of the G1, and indeed, this rifle can be sown together.
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r 17 January 2014 12: 04
          +7
          Machine gun "Mayak" - just a fairy tale compared to the original Kalashnikov. The balance is amazing!


          I am embarrassed to ask, and what design is the basis of such a legendary machine gun? Is not Sir Maxim? Or all the same, Mikhail Kalashnikov! So there are many such crafts around the world - China, Bulgaria, etc .....

          Less pathos, more work! hi
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 12: 23
            0
            Even the butt design has not changed, doubled, neri73
          2. Oh no no no
            Oh no no no 17 January 2014 13: 13
            +2
            So there are many such crafts around the world - China, Bulgaria, etc.


            Bulgarian-Romanian crafts simply discredit AK:

            1. rereture
              rereture 17 January 2014 18: 34
              +1
              This is cheap chinese bullshit in afghanistan
            2. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 18 January 2014 12: 29
              -1
              You need to be blind so as not to distinguish Norinko from the Outpost, and those, in turn, from machine guns of domestic production
          3. Cherdak
            Cherdak 17 January 2014 18: 27
            0
            Maybe in the beginning it will be measured with a dragoon?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 17 January 2014 21: 50
              +1
              Quote: Cherdak
              Maybe in the beginning it will be measured with a dragoon?

              difference in accuracy and method of reloading ...

              The performance characteristics of the sniper rifle VPR-308

              Type: sniper rifle
              Country: Ukraine
              Operating countries: Ukraine
              Manufacturer: PJSC “Mayak Plant”
              Year of development: 2008-2013
              Year of production: 2013 - present
              Length, mm: 1230 with folded butt, 1020 - with folded
              Barrel length, mm: 650
              Caliber, mm: 7,62
              Ammunition: cartridge 7.62 NATO
              Initial velocity of the bullet, m / s: 830
              Ammunition: detachable box magazine for 5 or 10 rounds
              Aim range of shooting, m: 900
              Effective firing range, m: head figure - up to 500, chest figure - 800
              Rate of Shooting: 20 rounds per minute
              Accuracy: 0,5 MOA (15 mm per 100 m)
              Weight, kg: 5-7 depending on version
              1. Alex_Popovson
                Alex_Popovson 18 January 2014 12: 32
                -1
                To all, it should be noted that SVD and VPR are in different niches. SVD - all the same, as they say, a Marxian rifle, and this already seems to be for special units.
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            3. Angry reader
              Angry reader 19 January 2014 00: 58
              0
              ..Gonor will not allow
          4. Astrey
            Astrey 18 January 2014 18: 23
            -1
            You know very well which
            Quote: neri73-r
            the design is the basis of such a legendary machine gun


            I didn't call the machine gun "Mayak" legendary, I personally - noted the convenience in carrying and holding the machine gun in hand in relation to the same indicators with the Kalashnikov machine gun (a PC adopted by the Soviet Army in the 61st year). To accept such a point of view, I had to spend a third of my monthly income that it’s unprofitable for an adult in Kiev to be allowed into the shooting range with their cartridges (. And your comment blows with some unreasonable negativity, it seems like the rights of Sir Maxim or Comrade Kalashnikov personally infringed.

            Yours
            Quote: neri73-r
            Less pathos, more work!
            , an incomprehensible exclamation. The weapons of the Mayak plant are by no means a PPSh or a Sword-Kladenets, they do not evoke pretentious feelings. It evokes feelings of affection or rejection. And the affairs of the plant speak for themselves - the enterprise still produces armored vehicles, instruments for aviation and small arms, although a third of the plant's territory has been lost during independence. Not bad for an enterprise whose land is located in close proximity to the main shopping areas of the capital of a rather large country. The rest of the enterprises turned into shopping centers, and Mayak survived.
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        3. URAL72
          URAL72 17 January 2014 13: 43
          +11
          "The plant is very promising. It was also used by the Soviet Union to make tanks." ???

          Lighthouse, one of the leading defense enterprises of the USSR, made electronics, but he never did tanks, in Kiev they are only being repaired on the old Darnitsa.
        4. Timeout
          Timeout 17 January 2014 13: 47
          +8
          Quote: Astrey
          Machine gun "Mayak" - just a fairy tale compared to the original Kalashnikov. The balance is amazing!

          Dear, how did you change the balance on KM-7,62? New front and scopes and a soft ribbon box? To be honest, I have never heard such a tale. 70% of the parts for machine guns "Mayak" buys in Russia, including the barrel!
          1. rolik
            rolik 18 January 2014 02: 03
            0
            Quote: Timeout
            Dear, how did you change the balance on KM-7,62? New front and scopes and a soft ribbon box? To be honest, I have never heard such a tale. 70% of the parts for machine guns "Mayak" buys in Russia, including the barrel!

            Yes, do not get excited, because it is clear that some pontics. But you really want to release something of your own))))
        5. gych
          gych 17 January 2014 17: 52
          +1
          Zeta is taken as a basis (z-008)
        6. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 17 January 2014 18: 51
          +5
          Why not? banter then what? everyone lives as best he can, maybe we’ll start buying .... our roots are growing from the Union ....
        7. Flooding
          Flooding 17 January 2014 18: 58
          -1
          Quote: Astrey
          Machine gun "Mayak" - just a fairy tale compared to the original Kalashnikov

          It is probably more correct to compare with Pecheneg.
          Is this the lighthouse?
          1. URAL72
            URAL72 17 January 2014 19: 41
            +1
            (Navodlom) "Is this the Lighthouse?"

            It doesn't look like it - perhaps it is an exhibition center on the Levoberezhnaya metro station, where various exhibitions are often held - from knives to combines, flowers and cats, including "special items" for the Internal Troops and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. There is also VVDNKh on Teremki (this is such a district in Kiev), and on Kurenevka (also a district, almost in the center of Kiev).
          2. family tree
            family tree 17 January 2014 20: 03
            +2
            Quote: Flood
            It is probably more correct to compare with Pecheneg.
            Is this the lighthouse?

            With PKM, the bipod is not there and there is no casing on the barrel. And in general, "Mayak" is PKM. They will also collect the PM, well, the AKM to the heap, the names will just come up and immediately.
            http://gunmagazine.com.ua/index.php?id=276
          3. Angry reader
            Angry reader 19 January 2014 00: 59
            -2
            what do you smoke ?? with "Pecheneg" compared ... fool
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 20 January 2014 10: 38
              0
              Quote: Angry Reader
              what do you smoke ?? with "Pecheneg" compared ...

              Is this apparently addressed to me? Brain yourself.
              Ali help? "Pecheneg" is designed on the basis of the Kalashnikov machine gun.
              As well as the product "Mayak" mentioned in the article.
              So what to compare, specialist?
              1. Angry reader
                Angry reader 20 January 2014 13: 04
                -1
                a comparator ... have you ever read anything besides scattering your brain ... maybe you came across ?? .. spec)
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 20 January 2014 15: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Angry Reader
                  a comparator ... have you ever read anything besides scattering your brain ... maybe you came across ?? .. spec)

                  Come on to the point. What misunderstood? I will help.
                  If there is nothing to write about the case, take a bottle of beer and a march into the yard. They have been waiting for you.
                  I advise you to look at the history of your own comments and draw the appropriate conclusions.
                  1. Angry reader
                    Angry reader 20 January 2014 23: 49
                    0
                    ... I'm sorry, .. I'm talking about a rifle ..) lost the essence.
                    I'm sorry)
        8. Walker1
          Walker1 27 May 2014 11: 53
          0
          Why are machine guns so different? Doesn't the Lighthouse make a PKK clone?
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 January 2014 12: 31
        +4
        Quote: heathen
        Yamaha, for example, also began with the production of harmoniums.

        So same Yamaha. They still produce a lot of things today. And amplifiers and outboard motors and ... You will be tormented to list everything. And although "Mayak" had good tape recorders, it didn't go any further. Unfortunately. I still remember Mayak-001 with a kind word. And the 231st, for its class, worked well.
        1. Locksmith
          Locksmith 17 January 2014 15: 38
          +1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          I still remember Mayak-001 with a kind word. And the 231st, for its class, worked well.

          But with 240 they excelled .. I had to think of making a brushless motor and instead of hall sensors to screw in .. reed switches, electronic engineers will never forget this wink
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 17 January 2014 18: 58
            +2
            think reed switches ... for an inquiring mind it’s a trifle, on all kinds of comets and protons they soldered a half of the board ... for that yourself! and it was better! and they wrote to the factories! and now, give a lot of advice ??? Yes, and to whom ..... Malaysia ???
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 18 January 2014 12: 19
              0
              Quote: Andrey Yurievich
              and they wrote to the factories!

              bullshit all these letters. What is a planned economy, you know?
              I will give an example. The workshop produces a product. Well, the regulators cannot achieve a stable operation of the circuit. There is an overrun of components. It turns out that the old, erroneous capacitor value is left in the circuit. At home, the authors of the scheme made changes. We were not given. According to this scheme, the company was scored for several years ahead with the delivery of this particular denomination. It’s not easy to refuse, it’s even more difficult to change, and the poor peasant cannot escape anywhere. Only in over a year did deliveries of a different denomination begin!
              So much for the "disadvantages" of unified circuits.
          2. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 18 January 2014 12: 10
            0
            Quote: Locksmith
            instead of hall sensors .. reed switches

            Often this was done in order to save and reduce costs. Too often, a product has been sold at a price lower than or equal to cost.
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 17 January 2014 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: heathen
        Yamaha, for example, also began with the production of harmoniums. And what motorcycles are doing now! :)

        Concern "Toyota" started with the release of sewing needles, their trademark consists of a crosshair of two sewing needle ears, but this does not mean anything.
        I think after the release of TVs right away for sniper weapons, production is not too adjacent - experience is not enough. But the production of high-quality steel for the barrel in Russia has not mastered, but Ukraine has mastered ?? I doubt it!
        ORSIS for example buys blanks for the barrel abroad, why if Ukraine is nearby?
        Maybe not everything is so rosy ??
    2. yehat
      yehat 17 January 2014 11: 56
      +4
      actually based on 2 factories muses. tools in the USSR, even tanks did and nothing happened ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 18 January 2014 17: 45
        0
        Quote: yehat
        actually based on 2 factories muses. tools in the USSR, even tanks did and nothing happened ...

        Dear, you confuse not just the USSR and Russia, you confuse the two systems! In the USSR, the name didn’t play a role at all and at the toy factory there were mortar systems, and the powder factory could launch strategic missiles. This was an element of secrecy, preservation of military secrets.
        But in modern Russia, the release of weapons at the musical equipment factory will not work, uncles in uniform will be strangled with checks!
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    4. Basarev
      Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 13
      0
      Somehow it looks a lot like ORSIS T-5000 ...
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 17 January 2014 14: 47
        -3
        Quote: Basarev
        Somehow it looks a lot like ORSIS T-5000 ...

        )))) especially the shape of the flame arrester! It is necessary to compare the insides, And then, perhaps there will be a change of proud from "Mayak" to "ORSIS"! And also a lawsuit for monkeying was deflated lol
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 18 January 2014 18: 49
          0
          The Zbroyar Z-008 Tactical Pro rifle began production a couple of years earlier than the T5000, so it is not clear to whom and for what else the claims should be brought. For example, Accuracy International can file lawsuits against other manufacturers for repeating the shape of a flame arrester, but certainly not Orsis to Zbroyar
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    5. Hon
      Hon 17 January 2014 13: 10
      +7
      ShturmKGB
      A sniper rifle assembled at a musical instrument factory ...

      At our plant named after Degtyarev, sewing machines and Chinese scooters are collected ...
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 January 2014 14: 02
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        at the Degtyarev factory, sewing machines and Chinese scooters are assembled.

        So in fact in separate workshops not related to military production. In the USSR, such workshops were called consumer goods.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 17 January 2014 14: 50
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        ShturmKGB
        A sniper rifle assembled at a musical instrument factory ...

        At our plant named after Degtyarev, sewing machines and Chinese scooters are collected ...

        Sewing machines are better than junk from the Middle Kingdom ...
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    7. gosha1970
      gosha1970 17 January 2014 13: 17
      +2
      So what? In war, cartridges were made at a pasta factory
    8. alone
      alone 17 January 2014 22: 50
      +1
      The most important thing is that desires and opportunities coincide. And the rest is of secondary importance.
  2. GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 17 January 2014 11: 16
    +2
    Quote: GreatRussia
    With the production of concern them. Kalashnikov? Is it too loudly said?

    One word: reporters. yes
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 17 January 2014 11: 23
      +13
      Our journalists are just Atas. It sometimes seems like they don’t even have secondary education
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 17 January 2014 12: 37
        +4
        Quote: Kibalchish
        they don’t even have secondary education

        Maybe secondary education is of the type 2 class and 3 corridor.
        But the fact that they do not have a specialty, i.e. nothing at all experts, that's for sure!
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 17 January 2014 15: 19
        +3
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Our journalists are just Atas. It sometimes seems like they don’t even have secondary education

        Why do they need education? Slept or slept with the "boss", here the "leading journalist" is ready, and you are talking about education in the old fashioned way, on our local VGTRK channel in Krasnodar, the news announcer "thirteen-aphids" does not pronounce letters and does not even blush.
    2. Orel
      Orel 17 January 2014 11: 25
      +7
      Interesting and deserves respect simply because it is "without government funding." What they do on their own is already worthy of being recognized. NOT for criticism, but still. And what did the concern to them. Kalashnikov over the past 20 years? Well, just new weapons, and not sewing on the picatinny rail on the AK-74 and naming it all AK-12 (a new assault rifle). And this is with the resources of Izhmash ... Although I may be mistaken and they have created a lot of new things, but I cannot find information. Educate who is in the subject.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 11: 46
        +2
        sewing picatinny rails on the AK-74 and naming it all AK-12

        It’s not true, there weaver planks, I personally saw! Large ones, am I not confusing anything?
        And what did the concern them. Kalashnikov over the past 20 years?

        Something is true, but the SV-99 still counts, although it is based on a sports rifle. Plus Saigi perepilki for Western warriors and specialists. Minuscule, but at least something. Moreover, I think, they are not only sawing weapons for the general public.
        1. Orel
          Orel 17 January 2014 14: 06
          0
          Perhaps you are right, but I would like more ...
      2. yehat
        yehat 17 January 2014 12: 04
        +2
        they create, but this is the imprint of a monopoly.
        most of the developments, one way or another, are associated with unification with the current Kalash model. For example, an option in the bullpup layout. Due to such limitations, development often lacks completeness.
        And the lack of competitors does the work of adapting to the realities and requests of the sluggish.
        There are a huge number of useful new products in the world - from transparent horns to AEK automation, of which nothing gets into the Kalash and the result is miserable.
        1. heathen
          heathen 17 January 2014 12: 13
          0
          In AK-107/108, Aekov mechanics are used
        2. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 12: 29
          +3
          they create, but this is the imprint of a monopoly.

          By the way, yes. Moreover, from Soviet times, the remaining opinion is that a Russian soldier should fight with Russian weapons developed in Russia.
          We need to take an example from America - we placed the production of the same Beretta at home, and in fact they nationalized the brands produced there. And you will not come near - it is produced in America, with American hands, weapons are good, what is needed? So it would be in Russia, but it is quite possible that IzhMash will not win the competition
      3. yehat
        yehat 17 January 2014 12: 04
        +1
        they create, but this is the imprint of a monopoly.
        most of the developments, one way or another, are associated with unification with the current Kalash model. For example, an option in the bullpup layout. Due to such limitations, development often lacks completeness.
        And the lack of competitors does the work of adapting to the realities and requests of the sluggish.
        There are a huge number of useful new products in the world - from transparent horns to AEK automation, of which nothing gets into the Kalash and the result is miserable.
      4. Basarev
        Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 16
        0
        The AK-12 is an AK-74 with straps. This is a completely new weapon.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 13: 04
          +2
          The AK-12 is an AK-74 with straps. This is a completely new weapon.

          Controversial. When did the XNUMXth Series appear? And when did the AEKs start finishing? Then it was all "new", which is sad. Because Russia, gaining in quality, loses in the mass character of new technologies, now mandatory for every ordinary.
          We hope that they will press, otherwise HANA
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 17 January 2014 16: 55
            0
            It seems that I in a hurry left out the word "not". In fact, I wanted to write in a completely different way - AK-12 is not an AK-74 with slats. It is a completely new weapon.
            It’s not the same thing, it’s a big difference.
            AK-74 and AK-12 are not synonyms!
          2. Angry reader
            Angry reader 19 January 2014 01: 02
            0
            "Everything is ingenious - just" ..)
      5. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 18 January 2014 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Orel
        And what did the concern them. Kalashnikov over the past 20 years?


        You are not given to know.
    3. olegff68
      olegff68 17 January 2014 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: GastaClaus69
      Quote: GreatRussia
      With the production of concern them. Kalashnikov? Is it too loudly said?

      One word: reporters. yes

      And as she presented the tester at 1:05 - "an officer of an elite special PIDROZDELU" - they hear themselves then?!?! belay lol wassat
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 17 January 2014 11: 51
        +1
        Not, incidentally, no matter how funny it sounds, it sounds like this: fagotmaking up.
        1. heathen
          heathen 17 January 2014 12: 15
          0
          More precisely, pidrozdil. With emphasis on "o".
        2. askort154
          askort154 17 January 2014 13: 04
          +1
          Alex_Popovson .... Not, by the way, no matter how funny it sounds, it sounds like that: farting.

          PID DIVISION! - Now it’s clear why Geyropa is so eager to have Ukraine in her
          fagots.
  3. 120352
    120352 17 January 2014 12: 00
    -1
    This happens when the brain is replaced by fat. Korsakovsky syndrome is called
  4. svp67
    svp67 17 January 2014 14: 43
    +1
    It is especially interesting where and how they produce barrels for sniper rifles ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2014 15: 03
      -6
      Quote: svp67
      It is especially interesting where and how they produce barrels for sniper rifles ...

      What kind of production-management and industrial espionage there are by the method of turf! The order was sent to China by fax with the stolen ORSIS drawings. Now in the mail parcels from China regularly receive laughing
      1. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 17 January 2014 15: 22
        +3
        Quote: GSH-18
        industrial espionage by the method of bowling! The order was sent to China by fax with the stolen ORSIS drawings.

        In fact, you claim that you have a corrupt designer / manager who is ready to sell at least green mothers’s soul and bad intelligence agencies who allowed these drawings to go abroad.
        Bon appetit!
        1. homosum20
          homosum20 17 January 2014 20: 19
          -1
          What do you think - America discovered. Or insulted us? Ha. Tundra. You are absolutely right - it is. So, what is next? How does this change the fact that yours bought our developments and placed in China - i.e. complete creative impotence?
          In addition, it is better to have corrupt designers than a corrupt maidan and half happy. And it’s better to be sold to Ukraine than America.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 17 January 2014 20: 44
          -2
          Quote: GastaClaus69
          Quote: GSH-18
          industrial espionage by the method of bowling! The order was sent to China by fax with the stolen ORSIS drawings.

          In fact, you claim that you have a corrupt designer / manager who is ready to sell at least green mothers’s soul and bad intelligence agencies who allowed these drawings to go abroad.
          Bon appetit!

          So, for overall development:
          The Russian company "ORSIS" is a private enterprise, what have our special services got to do with it? belay
          And you can steal anything and anything from anyone, especially for greens — should I tell you this? Independent succeeded quite a lot in this yes
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 17 January 2014 21: 19
          -5
          Quote: GastaClaus69
          In fact, you claim that you have a corrupt designer / manager who is ready to sell at least green mothers’s soul and bad intelligence agencies who allowed these drawings to go abroad.

          Let's not talk about corrupt Russian engineers. You and those already are not. You can only paint rusty Soviet armored personnel carriers, but steam them into the Middle East like new ones, for some reason you only take this from the Chinese. Yes, gas from our pipe to dig, and immediately sell it to the same geyropeytsam. A national identity is less than that of the Zulus. Geyropeytsy you almost pulled on Kukan! If it weren’t for the Russian Federation, we would have gotten used to a new pose! And your Independence Square-a shame on the nation! Now, if Yanukovych had overlaid all this Maidan harlot with tanks and special forces (so that not a single corrupt geyropofil escaped) and shot everyone to one, I would have applauded standing! This would be an act showing the real Ukrainian identity, patriotism and love for the motherland. yes In the meantime, be silent in a rag, and listen to what your elders say am
  5. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 17 January 2014 17: 58
    -1
    will be like Bulgarian clones AK rivets
  6. Horde
    Horde 17 January 2014 18: 48
    -5
    Ukraine went along the beaten path of the CHINESE, they whistle there, they get slammed, they peep there, well, here you are sniperska gvintіvka negative
  7. SPHINX
    SPHINX 18 January 2014 18: 55
    0
    Well, yes, a loud statement, but if this is not idiocy and the guys really set themselves the bar and strive for it, then I sincerely wish them success. And there’s nothing offensive in that they want to surpass Kalashnikov’s masterpiece, because everyone knows: there is no limit to perfection! At the same time, ours will catch up, there will be additional competition, and with it an additional incentive for the further development of our small arms.
  • PANZER
    PANZER 17 January 2014 10: 48
    -5
    The news is empty
    1. Orel
      Orel 17 January 2014 11: 30
      +6
      AK-47 is also not a huge plant invented, but just a VERY talented person. Therefore, do not scoff at Ukrainian manufacturers, it can really be a great weapon.
      1. Samminosh
        Samminosh 17 January 2014 12: 02
        -11%
        Yah? Huge factory, for that matter. Kalashnikov simply supervised the work.
        And then 80% of the construction at the late Korobov was torn.
        1. heathen
          heathen 17 January 2014 12: 18
          +6
          Just let's not remember about Hugo Schmeiser, etc.
          You can’t ruin legends. There is a machine gun that has won world fame, and he hails from the USSR. And the point.
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 17 January 2014 19: 18
        0
        Quote: Orel
        don’t mock the Ukrainian manufacturers, maybe a really great weapon.

        Well, yes, yes .. Time will tell! Just go ahead do not praise the cat in the bag. Sounds like a cheap ad move.
  • klimpopov
    klimpopov 17 January 2014 10: 48
    +9
    Something a lot of news today. There’s no time to catch the tape.
    With the Kalashnikov concern? Is it too loudly said?

    Why not? Who is stopping the fight? Well, let's look at the results. This phrase just sprinkles pepper, how can mos.lyam not step on the tail))))
    By the way, can you listen to the radio on this rifle? The lighthouse is all the same. I still have a radio in the garage working LIGHTHOUSE.
    Seriously, why not, if a decent rifle then good luck to the plant. For example, I would shoot.
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 17 January 2014 10: 51
      -2
      Quote: klimpopov
      This phrase simply sprinkles pepper, how can mos.lyam not step on the tail))))

      So I'm talking about high decibels from the side of "squares" smile
    2. PANZER
      PANZER 17 January 2014 10: 51
      0
      Quote: klimpopov
      This phrase is just

      occasion to start a heated discussion
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    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 17 January 2014 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: klimpopov
      For example, I would shoot.



      whom? belay do not take for paranoia, but it seems to me that this is Ukrainian next
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 17 January 2014 12: 15
        0
        whom?

        From this rifle ...
      2. Conepatus
        Conepatus 17 January 2014 13: 00
        +9
        Quote: seller trucks
        Quote: klimpopov
        For example, I would shoot.



        whom? belay do not take for paranoia, but it seems to me that this is Ukrainian next

        You’re an interesting guy, you left Ukraine and let’s pour water on everything that is connected with Ukraine one way or another. But if in Russia (God forbid) it becomes bad and you leave (you don’t get used to it), will you blame Russia too? Did you change the avatar with Mkrytchan to a new one and supposedly like a new life? Roll the field however.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 17 January 2014 13: 22
          -5
          Quote: Conepatus
          Interesting you tip


          repeat women think so too

          Quote: Conepatus
          , left Ukraine and let's water the dermis with everything that is connected in one way or another with Ukraine.


          I, who was born in the USSR and all sorts of Ukraine there ... is not my homeland for me, but it’s a cesspool, excuse me for being blunt.


          Quote: Conepatus
          But if in Russia (God forbid) it becomes bad and you leave from there (you don’t get used to it), will you also blame Russia?


          scerala? request do not wait.


          Quote: Conepatus
          Have you changed the avatar with Mkrytchan, to a new one and supposedly like a new life?


          conspiracy therapist?
          1. Conepatus
            Conepatus 17 January 2014 15: 36
            +7
            Ukraine cesspool? It looks like you are a "Pole" by profession lol
            Then it explains a lot.
  • kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 17 January 2014 10: 55
    +10
    in the video at 1:30 min, the cover of the receiver flies out during firing, is this the way it should be? ;)
    but in general, of course it's good for your own - but is it profitable?
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 17 January 2014 11: 03
      +4
      This Schaub was cooled on time)))))
      1. Angry reader
        Angry reader 19 January 2014 01: 06
        -1
        The lid is just not EzalEzhen by nature.)
    2. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 17 January 2014 11: 13
      -1
      This is a symbol of overwork.
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    4. avt
      avt 17 January 2014 11: 42
      +5
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      in the video at 1:30 min, the cover of the receiver flies out during firing, is this the way it should be?

      Quote: klimpopov
      This Schaub chilled on time

      laughing They made a rifle, but they didn't have enough brains to reshoot the video so as not to disgrace what was the PC brought in pursuit of competition with Kalashnikov? what can not be shown? I did not want to be mocking, but - "But the Ukrainians are preparing to fight the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle." from a PC in which the receiver cover flies off when firing !? Really
      Quote: Evgeny_Lev
      This is a symbol of overwork.

      and "Oplot" the best tank in the world. laughing But for trying to do something serious with your own hands - of course a plus. Doing something yourself is already good.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 21
        +1
        But personally, this does not impress me. CORD - that’s what impresses me!
      2. Jaros81
        Jaros81 17 January 2014 13: 47
        +4
        In principle, I agree. But Oplot is a serious tank, not the best, of course, but it deserves respect. Moreover, if you remember on the basis of WHAT tank it was created and WHERE.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 17 January 2014 19: 07
          +1
          Of course, Oplot is a tank at a very good level, but you shouldn’t consider it the best in the Galaxy. It is one of a small group of the best who share the first place.
          1. Jaros81
            Jaros81 17 January 2014 19: 21
            0
            So I don’t think ... The T-34 is considered the best tank in the Galaxy. Therefore, few will argue the issue
            1. alone
              alone 17 January 2014 22: 54
              +1
              Quote: Jaros81
              So I don’t think ... The T-34 is considered the best tank in the Galaxy. Therefore, few will argue the issue

              )) Let’s you on the T-34-ke, and I’ll say on the T-90C and see which one is better)) the point here is that under the current realities there are several tanks that are considered the best in the world.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 17 January 2014 23: 10
                +2
                T-34-85 vs T-90.
              2. rolik
                rolik 18 January 2014 02: 10
                0
                Quote: lonely
                Let’s you on the T-34-ke, and I’ll say on the T-90S

                And let's you on the T-90, and he is on Armata ???? It’s just the same .... compare pu with a finger. Each tank was good at the time. But such regalia as the T34 has not yet earned a single tank.
                Like a kindergarten, by golly.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 18 January 2014 21: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: rolik
                  But such regalia as the T34 has not yet earned a single tank.

                  And you can list them ...
            2. svp67
              svp67 17 January 2014 23: 21
              +2
              Quote: Jaros81
              Therefore, few will argue the issue

              You can’t even imagine how many people, how many nationalities are ready to argue with you ...
      3. rolik
        rolik 18 January 2014 02: 08
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Again it’s interesting - they say about a rifle, and they shoot from a machine gun

        Yes, they do not care, the main thing is that "ridnoe")))))))
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2014 22: 14
      0
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      in the video at 1:30 min, the cover of the receiver flies out during firing, is this the way it should be? ;)

      You ask the Bulgarians, yes the Chinese.
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 17 January 2014 11: 05
    +12
    "Zasov" - is it supposed to be a breech? Oh, these Ukrainians! They all strive to distort in their own way. The airfield became their flyer, a map-map, but they could not find their own word for a helicopter, they had to call it a foreign helicopter!
    1. Vadim-61
      Vadim-61 17 January 2014 11: 15
      +10
      I forgot about "gyntokryl")))

      so in the beginning it was, and then this "helikopter" began to use.

      ----

      and I’m glad for the Lighthouse and its workers!

      1. Basarev
        Basarev 17 January 2014 12: 22
        +1
        Rotorcraft and helicopter - not synonyms!
        1. Vadim-61
          Vadim-61 17 January 2014 12: 38
          +2
          that yes, but for independent linguists it doesn’t matter))
    2. Astrey
      Astrey 17 January 2014 11: 29
      +5
      No. "Hasp" is the achievement of a shark pen. In the video, the designer says "shutter". Well, forgive these girls, they do not listen to the operator, they hurry among themselves at a speed of 200 words per minute.
    3. heathen
      heathen 17 January 2014 11: 33
      +8
      Obviously, the article is translated. The shutter in Ukrainian is "sucking in".
      Although I agree that the practice of replacing Russian words with Anglicisms and Polonisms (such as the embassy-ambesad) is evil.
    4. Nikotin13
      Nikotin13 17 January 2014 14: 46
      +4
      Mapa is also a foreign word. By the way, everyone in the video everyone speaks Russian, except for the announcer of course.
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  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 17 January 2014 11: 13
    0
    It's hard to compete with the Kalashnikov, it's all the same Kalashnikov, there are 10 years of work ahead! And Russia needs a pepper, as they say: “Then the pike is in the river so that the crucian does not sleep.” Although not entirely successful comparison, but we often find ourselves in the role of "crucian carp".
  • VADEL
    VADEL 17 January 2014 11: 21
    0
    At the plant "Mayak" test the first Ukrainian sniper rifle

    I read it and thought. Who was "blown away" from?
    They answered themselves:
    It is better to study the entire market and take a piece.

    Further generally LAUGHTER:
    weapons are sold to Africa, Southeast Asia, and from last year to Turkey

    Ukrainians are preparing to fight with the legendary Kalashnikov assault rifle
    fool laughing
  • PANZER
    PANZER 17 January 2014 11: 24
    0
    Quote: VADEL
    weapons are sold to Africa, Southeast Asia, and from last year to Turkey

    What is so funny about this?
    1. VADEL
      VADEL 17 January 2014 12: 57
      +1
      It's funny that they decided to surpass the "Kalasha". How many were sold to Africa? 2 or 3? How will the APCs not be returned back?
  • avg
    avg 17 January 2014 11: 32
    +4
    And 5 years ago, in order to survive the crisis, they decided: we will make small arms.

    Clear business. In a crisis, there are always not enough rifles, and ammunition is still very necessary. sad
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2014 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: avg
      And 5 years ago, in order to survive the crisis, they decided: we will make small arms.

      Clear business. In a crisis, there are always not enough rifles, and ammunition is still very necessary. sad

      Nothing, the fax has not yet been turned off for non-payment, and the phone in the Middle Kingdom is waiting for orders around the clock! lol
  • Dym71
    Dym71 17 January 2014 11: 32
    +5
    Quote: bistrov.
    "Zasov" - is it supposed to be a breech? Oh, these Ukrainians! They all strive to distort in their own way. The airfield became their flyer, a map-map, but they could not find their own word for a helicopter, they had to call it a foreign helicopter!


    So you describe the classic situation!

    Mikhail Bulgakov, The White Guard:

    “He is a bastard,” Turbin continued with hatred, “because he himself does not speak this language!” AND? The day before yesterday I asked this channel, Dr. Kuritsky, if you were so kind as to see, he forgot how to speak Russian since last November. There was Kuritsky, and became Kuritsky ... So I ask: how is the “cat” in Ukrainian? He replies: "whale." I ask: “What about a whale?” But he stopped, stared, and was silent. And now does not bow.
    1. apostol88
      apostol88 17 January 2014 12: 39
      +6
      So I ask: how is the "cat" in Ukrainian? He replies: "whale." I ask: “What about a whale?” But he stopped, his eyes widened and he was silent. And now does not bow.

      You can post something else, and not the same as all Russians.
      The cat is in the Ukrainian whale, The whale is in the Ukrainian whale (the cat is through s)!
      1. Jaros81
        Jaros81 17 January 2014 13: 50
        +4
        And we are not Russians, we are Russians, if you have forgotten your identity.
        1. Nikotin13
          Nikotin13 17 January 2014 14: 52
          0
          Dear Russian, you may have, for example: pants or a shirt, and you are a Russian, Russian, etc.
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      2. Dym71
        Dym71 17 January 2014 16: 32
        +2
        You can do something else.
        Vladimir Kornilov - political scientist, historian, writer.
        "I remember how at one of the first lectures of" Prosvit "in Donetsk, in 89, some kind of intellectual with freshly grown" vusy "explained to the stunned public the difference between the Russian and Ukrainian languages. The main" argument ", downright confusing feet with its novelty and frankness, there was the following statement: “Listen to how it sounds in Russian:“ he-she-it. ”And think about how it sounds in Ukrainian:“ vin-vona-vono. ”You see , what's the difference!!!" And everyone around them made a noise, shouted: "But really! But this is necessary! But the difference is colossal!"
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  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 17 January 2014 11: 36
    +9
    Personally, I am always pleased to hear stories about the next version of business reacting to the market. Normal news, well done Ukrainians, instead of bending down and ditching jobs, they reoriented themselves. In Ukraine, there are many such factories that are on the verge of a foul, stubbornly do not want to die and are trying to occupy their niche in the market. This is good, plus healthy competition for our manufacturers.
    The fact that they challenged Kalashnikov is also great, as VVP used to say, "you should not be afraid to set ambitious goals", IzhMash relaxed a little, the glory of Kalashnikov, guaranteed state support and state purchases, deprive them of their "market grip", the introduction of advanced technologies, etc. good news IMHO so that ours do not relax.

    As for the rifle .. well, time will tell.
  • rugor
    rugor 17 January 2014 11: 55
    +1
    A musical instrument factory? Did you re-equip the pin sharpening workshop? laughing
    1. yehat
      yehat 17 January 2014 12: 23
      +2
      Well, at least, varnished stocks of any shape will do)))
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    3. vanaheym
      vanaheym 18 January 2014 17: 27
      0
      Actually, it was a musical instrument factory until 1953, and the main profile of the plant's activity was subsequently the production of on-board equipment for military aircraft and helicopters. Since Ukraine did not release what the plant about the USSR was imprisoned for, it was necessary to re-focus on the modernization of military equipment and the production of small arms. Or close nafig.
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  • kelevra
    kelevra 17 January 2014 11: 57
    +2
    Indeed, Kalashnikov earned a reputation for decades and not just a name, but a machine that was unsurpassed so far, so few can compete with him!
    1. Samminosh
      Samminosh 17 January 2014 12: 04
      +3
      Unbeatable except for the ease of development (any chock or black) and price. In a global war, these are huge benefits.
      But now the times are different.
  • 120352
    120352 17 January 2014 12: 03
    +2
    Any good sniper rifle at its core is a MOSCOW! At least do it at a musical instrument factory, at least at a cannery. And the so-called design.
    1. Samminosh
      Samminosh 17 January 2014 12: 05
      +3
      Any mosquito in its essence is the squeak of the 16th century.
  • heathen
    heathen 17 January 2014 12: 05
    +2
    Quote: Orel
    Interesting and deserves respect simply because it is "without government funding." What they do on their own is already worthy of being recognized.

    Here I doubt it.
    Information from the official site of "Mayak" (translation):
    1996: May 12 - by order of the State Property Fund of Ukraine No. 40-AT, the Mayak plant was transformed into the Mayak Plant open joint-stock company.

    2009: March 2 - by order of the State Property Fund of Ukraine No. 148, the Open Joint-Stock Company Mayak Plant was transformed into the public joint-stock company Mayak Plant.

    2012: September - according to the Resolution of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine dated December 29, 2010 No. 1221 on the establishment of the State Concern "Ukroboronprom": the functions of managing the state block of shares (100%) were transferred by the State Property Fund of Ukraine to the State Concern "Ukroboronprom".
    http://www.mayak.com.ua/index.php/ua/about-us
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 17 January 2014 12: 11
    -5
    Factory of muses. tools were rebuilt for weapons - this fact already suggests that the company has investors and of course it is not the state. It can be concluded that the "smart guys" from countries not friendly to Russia want to reduce Russia's share in the arms market. and by this they perform several tasks at once:
    1. They control the production of an independent country, and therefore affect the policy of Ukraine.
    2. They put Russia and Ukraine on different "sides of the barricades", thereby separating us even further from each other.
    3. Get a cheap and quality product for their terrorist armies.
    4. By lobbying, they select contracts from our gunsmiths and, as a result, money.
    5. And finally, they make a profit.

    Of course, it is still only in its infancy, but the prospects for us are not good.
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 17 January 2014 13: 10
      +7
      Quote: JonnyT
      Factory of muses. tools were rebuilt for weapons - this fact already suggests that the company has investors and of course it is not the state. It can be concluded that the "smart guys" from countries not friendly to Russia want to reduce Russia's share in the arms market. and by this they perform several tasks at once:
      1. They control the production of an independent country, and therefore affect the policy of Ukraine.
      2. They put Russia and Ukraine on different "sides of the barricades", thereby separating us even further from each other.
      3. Get a cheap and quality product for their terrorist armies.
      4. By lobbying, they select contracts from our gunsmiths and, as a result, money.
      5. And finally, they make a profit.

      Of course, it is still only in its infancy, but the prospects for us are not good.

      In general, all that is being done good in my country is everything to the detriment of Russia?
      How tired of listening to this ... the guys survive as they can - but they are a priori bad, because they are Ukrainian ... Is it similar to us what to think?
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 17 January 2014 14: 29
        0
        Agree that you can’t exclude such a thing ......
        And you tell me who the investor is? in 2012, all shares were put up for sale and were bought ...... and investment in Ukraine was not taken away from Russia
        Your country does not inspire confidence, but what if you start arming the enemies of the Russian Federation again? And if an armed conflict breaks out? And from the products of "MAYAK" will shoot at the Russian soldier?
        Let's evaluate the situation soberly, without vanilla snot, like a bad good
        1. Kail_seven
          Kail_seven 17 January 2014 15: 23
          +6
          Quote: JonnyT
          And from the products of "MAYAK" will shoot at the Russian soldier?


          Unfortunately, in the RUSSIAN soldier, over the past twenty years they have often shot, with RUSSIAN weapons.
          1. JonnyT
            JonnyT 17 January 2014 15: 28
            -4
            Most of which was sold from Ukrainian warehouses left after the USSR
        2. Hug
          Hug 17 January 2014 15: 42
          +5
          Your country does not inspire confidence, but what if you start arming the enemies of the Russian Federation again? And if an armed conflict breaks out? And from the products of "MAYAK" will shoot at the Russian soldier?
          Let's evaluate the situation soberly, without vanilla snot, like a bad good

          What if you start arming Ukraine's enemies? And if an armed conflict breaks out? And from the products "Izhevsk Machine-Building Plant (Tula Arms Plant)" will shoot at a Ukrainian soldier?

          - The site is not a place for manifestation of ideological, nationalistic (anti-Ukrainian, etc.) hysteria. For this, there are websites of "communists of the Leningrad region" and Russian (Ukrainian, etc.) nationalists.
          Yes, and there is no need to troll here either - you turn the discussion of military-technical issues into a bazaar "srach".
      2. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 17 January 2014 18: 16
        0
        and as you wish think so. you are not us, and therefore potential adversaries.
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 17 January 2014 21: 58
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        In general, all that is being done good in my country is everything to the detriment of Russia?
        How tired of listening to this ... the guys survive as they can - but they are a priori bad, because they are Ukrainian ... Is it similar to us what to think?

        This is absolutely not true.
        It’s just that the article has a lot of bravado, inconsistencies and false hopes, presented as inevitable.
        If talented Ukrainian guys gathered (not on the Maidan), with a good purpose, would make a business project, find sponsors, premises and equipment, but would translate their plans into reality, and the final product would really be innovative and high-quality, everything would be for you were happy and congratulated! And then, even in the article it is written, "pulled" from wherever they could, but they blinded the vintar. And then (according to the behest of the great helmsman) PR managers entered! This vintar is a vintar for all vintars! made in Ukraine! wassat
        And we (Russians) should believe in this noodle? And what should we rejoice at? belay
        1. Cristall
          Cristall 18 January 2014 16: 18
          +1
          Quote: GSH-18
          And what should we rejoice at?

          it’s strange, but I’m happy if something turns out to be Russian
          , even if it is modernization at the level of 70 years. Yes, and then the Russians have more advertisements, which have no analogues and other words with a bang of patriotism.
          The local success of the Ukrainian factory is the closest news for them, I was also happy for them, for example, I did not know about Ukrainian snipers at all.
          For comparison, how (not all but there are) rejoice over even the modest successes from the Republic of Belarus - well done keep it up, the brothers Slavs and cheers Lukashenko did not shine and so on. How to rejoice at the news from Ukraine is a song .. They associate with anything - there’s even a tongue, you have to find somewhere to laugh at least somewhere. Itself is not enthusiastic about Ukrainization, but it is not worth encroaching on our language. Normal is a very nice language (only Poltava, but not Lviv). They drag in everything bad - up to the accusations that it will be possible to shoot .. angry Ukrainians all sit on caches and plan their weapons to kill, kill Russians everywhere .. bad ...
          And here we are reading all this, despite the fact that it reads the very population of Ukraine adequately tuned to the Russian Federation. And what will it see? Yes, undisguised hostility, contempt and others ....
          in short, I remembered the schedule of the day of the Ukrainian - there is morning from the anthem and then to the State Department embassy ... it's 2 hours already (well, I didn’t go to the embassy and didn’t sing the anthem)
    2. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 17 January 2014 13: 17
      +3
      Handsome man! Even in the development of a small factory weapons line found traces of the insidious Department of State ...
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 17 January 2014 13: 37
      +3
      Quote: JonnyT
      and by doing this they perform several tasks at once:

      Comrade, stop .. wassat ... here is not an article about Maidan ... laughing .
  • smersh70
    smersh70 17 January 2014 12: 13
    0
    where is Makarov .... smile I have to put everything on sticks ....
  • Jack7691
    Jack7691 17 January 2014 12: 19
    -3
    A bolt instead of a shutter is cool !!!
    This and the whole rifle ...
  • Arh
    Arh 17 January 2014 12: 58
    +1
    Well, Ukrainians, honestly hit me)))
  • 7ydmco
    7ydmco 17 January 2014 13: 05
    +4
    Quote: Astrey
    Machine gun "Mayak" - just a fairy tale compared to the original Kalashnikov. The balance is amazing!


    And due to what this amazing balance appeared? smile
  • Echo
    Echo 17 January 2014 13: 19
    -5
    Another peremog, og ...
  • Yarik
    Yarik 17 January 2014 13: 21
    +1
    ShturmKGB Today, 11:07 AM ↑
    A sniper rifle assembled at a musical instrument factory ... wink

    Mayak plant’s design engineer Alexander Lavruk turns out to be very straightforward
  • AGM-114
    AGM-114 17 January 2014 13: 37
    0
    Is she also with microcracks like BTR-4?
  • vkrav
    vkrav 17 January 2014 14: 01
    +1
    Well ... First, let's say ... Ukrainian? - everyone speaks Russian (except for the announcer) laughing .A rifle of the "assembled and brought" type (c) or "I blinded you out of what was" (c) In the states, "bolts" are almost done in garages, but here the plant is not the last ... , and the parameters are classified, perhaps ?? Besides .308 from the bazaar behind the scenes, is there any infa on this wunderwafle?
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2014 23: 02
      0
      Quote: vkrav
      By the way, and the parameters are classified, or something. Besides .308 from the bazaar behind the scenes, is there any info on this wunderwaffle?

      Yes, no, you just SHOULD believe that this is the coolest prodigy in the galaxy! lol The sales promotion method (management) is completely slammed by the Chinese! bully
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 18 January 2014 17: 47
        0
        This is the Zbroyar Z-008 Tactical Pro rifle, which was put into mass production at the Mayak plant. This rifle in various calibers is sold both in Russia (in Kolchuga) and in the European Union, and buyers are quite satisfied with its accuracy characteristics. Designed by a qualified weapons designer Konstantin Konev, who developed the Belarusian VK-003 sniper rifle.
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  • rus9875
    rus9875 17 January 2014 14: 12
    +9
    You read the comments of the Russians and it becomes clear why Ukraine is so opposed to rapprochement with Russia ... Why so much disdain for the Slavic brothers? And absolutely for any reason and without it? This is what is called "Great Russian chauvinism"
    1. 7ydmco
      7ydmco 17 January 2014 15: 46
      +1
      So to their pathos articles with incomprehensible content, Russians have the same attitude.
    2. 7ydmco
      7ydmco 17 January 2014 15: 46
      +1
      So to their pathos articles with incomprehensible content, Russians have the same attitude.
    3. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 17 January 2014 18: 20
      -3
      the so-called "Great Russian chauvinism" is a response to Ukrainian separatism.
    4. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2014 23: 12
      0
      Quote: rus9875
      This is what is called "Great Russian chauvinism"

      Do not la la. Comments are justified. Well, how do you imagine this? People gathered at a non-core enterprise, and all of a sudden! And upscale latest Ukrainian rifle is ready! belay At the level of leading European and American designs.
      It turns out that the world's leading manufacturers over the years have not accumulated experience, equipment, engineering solutions ?? By the way the new Ukrainian manufacturer (which has been a week without a year) took it, and without all this he made a miracle rifle! fellow
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 18 January 2014 17: 55
        0
        This rifle was developed and mass-produced by Konstantin Konev and the Zbroyar company, which has sufficient competence in the production of targeted weapons, which are also bought by Russian high-precision weapons (in Kolchuga), and they consider it accurate enough for their purposes.
        At Mayak it went into series production for the state order, since Zbroyar does not have the capacity for serial production in large volumes, and they are now oriented mainly towards the production of AR-like semiautomatic devices.
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  • Bogranz
    Bogranz 17 January 2014 14: 25
    +2
    Certain sarcasm and irony on the part of some commentators are most likely due to a kind of infringement of the so often recalled in vain "imperial" pride, so to speak. laughing And in vain ... it is not the gods who burn the pots. The plant "Mayak" - respect and respect: against the background of the "maydanutyh" these people show how and what to do, how to lead the country out of the crisis. At the same time, without asking for help, without begging for loans. Looking for analogues of this sniper rifle is a pointless exercise: the manufacturers honestly admitted that they took the best and added a little of their own. And what happened - life will show. At least outwardly, this device looks decent. Compete with the "Kalashnikov" - hmm ... why not ???? Quite healthy ambitions, and they, as you know, unlike advertising, are the engine of progress. But ... it’s too early to put a cross on Kalashnikov’s brainchild. They could and could do something similar (German G-36, for example), but fundamentally no better yet. Yes, and in the same work of Tula ADSat least outwardly, something can be seen from Kalashnikov. (please do not take this "something" for the concept of ADS fool ) Well, at the expense of the "tank machine gun" - it is not entirely clear, because they talk about the tank, and on the video they show an ordinary infantry. I remember that the Israelis practically also copied the PC, except that they only put their own trunk on it. And here it is even more so: although it has passed 20 years of "independence", we were all made in the USSR.
    1. 7ydmco
      7ydmco 17 January 2014 16: 14
      +1
      Quote: Bograntz
      Certain sarcasm and irony on the part of some commentators are most likely due to a kind of infringement of the so often recalled in vain "imperial" pride, so to speak.

      Well, at the expense of the "tank machine gun" - it is not entirely clear, because they talk about the tank, and on the video they show an ordinary infantry.


      Rather, the irony is because of the style of presentation.

      And the infantry too, look how it differs from the Russian one. smile
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  • andrey903
    andrey903 17 January 2014 14: 26
    +1
    The barrel will not work, you need a special metal, and very expensive machines
  • Echo
    Echo 17 January 2014 14: 42
    -3
    Quote: rus9875
    You read the comments of the Russians and it becomes clear why Ukraine is so opposed to rapprochement with Russia ... Why so much neglect of the Slavic brothers?

    Do not confuse one with the other. There is no disregard for the Slavic brothers, especially since the overwhelming majority of the so-called. "Ukrainians" are Little Russians, they are the same Russians. But in relation to the VGN Usspaniya, this very "anti-Russia" that is now being strenuously created on the territory of Little Russia, hatred and contempt are not just relevant, they must be! Moreover, the people themselves, by the will of the traitors who ended up on the territory of the VGN, should have this hatred and contempt first of all!
    1. rus9875
      rus9875 17 January 2014 14: 52
      +3
      So show your "hatred and contempt" in relation to specific individuals, where does the rifle and the Mayak plant? Why "hatred and contempt" rush from all cracks to everything Ukrainian, and indeed "non-Russian" indiscriminately? If you treat everyone except our own in this way, then you shouldn't be surprised that no one particularly loves us - but why should they really love us if we hate and despise everyone?
      1. 7ydmco
        7ydmco 17 January 2014 16: 10
        0
        What hatred and charity are you talking about? What nonsense?
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      3. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 17 January 2014 18: 25
        -3
        ) let us fear more than love us
    2. Bogranz
      Bogranz 17 January 2014 14: 55
      +1
      But what does the rifle have to do with it? "I understand that Alexander the Great was a great commander, but why break chairs?" ("with" ... almost)
      1. family tree
        family tree 17 January 2014 16: 53
        +3
        A rifle despite the fact that:
        but it’s already clear: this weapon is not inferior to the best world counterparts.
        And that's all, no description or performance characteristics request Here, it seems like VO, not "Yellow newspaper"
        Already copy-paste, at least this:
        http://sniper-weapon.ru/ukraina/152-snajperskaya-vintovka-vpr-308
        a minus article
        1. Pushkar
          Pushkar 17 January 2014 18: 35
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          http://sniper-weapon.ru/ukraina/152-snajperskaya-vintovka-vpr-308

          I agree with you. The discussed article and video are purely promotional - nothing specific. In the article you cited there is a performance characteristic of the VPR-308. Nothing special, good accuracy. The shutter type is not very good - he doesn't like dirt and dust very much. This is essential for combat work. However, let's see, it's already good that the project is not a failure and that they are trying to challenge the Kalashnikov.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 17 January 2014 14: 57
    +1
    as usual, they will test and they will not accept
  • Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 17 January 2014 15: 04
    +4
    Quote: neri73-r
    Machine gun "Mayak" - just a fairy tale compared to the original Kalashnikov. The balance is amazing!


    I am embarrassed to ask, and what design is the basis of such a legendary machine gun? Is not Sir Maxim? Or all the same, Mikhail Kalashnikov! So there are many such crafts around the world - China, Bulgaria, etc .....

    Less pathos, more work! hi


    I fully support, I understand that they bought equipment and hired specialists, and they also raised a design school over these 5-10 years. You can knock yourself on the chest as much as you like about the release of "replicas" of well-known weapons and declare the creation of a "Ukrainian" rifle or machine gun, but until they grow up their design school they will not have anything of their own. There is nothing reprehensible in this, you just have to say that "we have constructed on the basis of such a sample," so gradually and completely "our" trunks will reach, there would be time.
  • anarky
    anarky 17 January 2014 16: 17
    +2
    Hmm, 1001st plant, copy-saving AKmoids. Definitely overwhelmed. Although the Kalashnikov concern is also not happy. I was surprised when the AK-12 did not have balanced automation. Anyway, how to spoil AK to fail the test? I'd love for AEK to win.

    And the rifle looks pretty. The truth is not entirely clear, what niche in the market do they want not to occupy? Is she under 7,62x51 NATO? A bunch of much more authoritative uncles have been sitting there for a long time. The same AW or Remington 700. And now it seems .338 is more fashionable.

    PS: And I thought that she reminds me ... http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM2010
    1. gych
      gych 17 January 2014 17: 43
      +2
      Well, at least for myself, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the SBU is all right and major. I'm glad that at least we do something
      1. anarky
        anarky 17 January 2014 17: 48
        +1
        The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the SBU should arm themselves not according to the principle of "their own", but according to the principle "what is the best thing on the planet?" IMHO.

        For the sun hardly. Do not replace them with SVD.
        1. GastaClaus69
          GastaClaus69 17 January 2014 20: 07
          0
          Quote: anarky
          The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the SBU should arm themselves not according to the principle of "their own", but according to the principle "what is the best thing on the planet?" IMHO.

          That is why the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the SBU use Sig Sauer and Sako.
  • Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 17 January 2014 17: 26
    +1
    Quote: anarky


    PS: And I thought that she reminds me ... http: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM2010


    ......... ah, you are right ....... well, very reminiscent of! lol wink
  • family tree
    family tree 17 January 2014 17: 48
    +3
    Based on Zbroyar Z-008 Target Pro, also a Ukrainian private company
  • Gronsky
    Gronsky 17 January 2014 18: 13
    +1
    The deadbolt is very well made here - it is made with two rows of combat stops, ”says Alexander Lavruk, Leading Design Engineer of the Mayak plant.

    Terminology pleased BOLT it's cool. laughing
    It is immediately obvious that small arms are not their specialization. Well, nothing, terminology is a matter of time, as you don’t call the shutter, even though ZASOV, the main thing is that the design works as it should. Given that the same Orsis buys billet trunks in the states, and here well, everything is straightforward, winked, and all this provides acceptable survivability and accuracy of the barrel, the factory workers should be given their due.
    Engaged in the development of anything in Ukraine, and even then produce the developed, you know, engineering feat. You can only wish the guys success.
    Although, of course, machine guns, sniper rifles, assault rifles from a non-core Ukrainian manufacturer are, to put it mildly, alarming.
  • Massik
    Massik 17 January 2014 18: 27
    +4
    Match bolt again laughing the bar on the trunk under the LCC, a lamp and other gadgets pleased laughing Give an assault on a building with a long-barrel fool ....
    1. Kunar
      Kunar 17 January 2014 18: 42
      +3
      He smiled too))) Although the blind seemed pobachim .... tea is not a hairpin. It would be worth ...
    2. vanaheym
      vanaheym 18 January 2014 17: 17
      +1
      And how, often with a sniper rifle, buildings are stormed?
      1. Massik
        Massik 19 January 2014 04: 16
        +1
        Question: Why do you need a picatinny rail on a sniper rifle, about 20 cm from the muzzle and at an angle of 30 degrees from the vertical axis of the barrel cut? To put a bayonet-knife there ??? Well, I don’t even have options WHY ??? So it turns out, a flashlight, a LCC compact assault grip (ahahah delirium) and other awnings to storm the building and scribble ???? Or Ukrainian designers wanted to give the weapon a proper look for a child prodigy and hooked the bar ....
        1. vanaheym
          vanaheym 19 January 2014 14: 20
          0
          This rifle, or rather the Z-008, which it is, is itself a smooth bed, made of milled aluminum. It has threaded holes for mounting picatinny rails in different positions, including at an angle of 45%. If necessary, the end user screws the bar in the desired position and places on it what he personally wants. For example, as the private owner of this private rifle in caliber .458SOCOM



          1. Massik
            Massik 20 January 2014 18: 00
            +1
            And here is 45 degrees? wink I’m interested in these attachment points)
  • Kunar
    Kunar 17 January 2014 18: 46
    +1
    The Zbroyar Z-008 rifles are designed and manufactured by a small private company "Zbroyar" from Ukraine. The company was founded in 2006 and has its own production of high-precision rifles, located near Kiev. The design of the Zbroyar Z-008 rifle was created by Konstantin Konev (the creator of the SVK rifle). Rifles ZbroyarZ-008 are produced "to order" in the widest range of modifications and calibers, for long-range hunting, high-precision sports shooting (including benchrest). They can also be used as sniper weapons. For all Zbroyar Z-008 rifles, the accuracy of shooting is guaranteed to be no worse than 0.5 MOA (angular minute) per 100 meters; in reality, in the hands of a trained shooter, some rifles of this line can show accuracy up to 0.15 MOA (provided that the appropriate cartridges and other components are used).
    The design of the ZbroyarZ-008 rifle is based on the bolt group and receiver of the company's own design. The receiver has an enclosed design for maximum rigidity and strength, and is made of heat treated stainless steel. Receivers are produced in two sizes - standard and long (chambered for "magnum" class). The bolt has in the front part two rows of lugs (three in each row), providing a strong and stable locking for the receiver. The barrels are made at the company's plant from billets manufactured by Lothar Walther or Shilen. The barrel is threaded, but the interface is designed in such a way that the main loads in the transverse plane are perceived not by the thread, but by smooth cylindrical sections of the barrel surface, which are precisely fitted to the barrel. Barrel replacement requires a special tool and, if qualified, can be done by the shooter himself. The barrels of rifles Zbroyar Z-008 are usually equipped with muzzle brakes, it is also possible to install a removable muffler for the sound of a shot (mufflers are allowed for civil circulation on the territory of Ukraine). The receiver fits into the Bell & Carson polymer stock, which has a rigid aluminum tire, with mandatory beading. The Zbroyar Z-008 Tactical Pro variant has a custom design made of components from the American company Magpul. The rifle is equipped with an adjustable Timney trigger, and can be produced in single-shot or magazine versions. In the latter case, 5-round box magazines manufactured by the English company AI (Accuracy International Ltd) are used. The sights are mounted on a Picatinny-type steel tire attached to the upper part of the receiver. The version of the Zbroyar Z-008 Tactical Pro has an octagonal aluminum fore-end with a large number of points for the installation of additional Picatinny rails.
  • Kunar
    Kunar 17 January 2014 18: 47
    0
    Nah .... My Boar is cooler))))
  • Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 17 January 2014 19: 36
    -1
    Quote: JonnyT
    Most of which was sold from Ukrainian warehouses left after the USSR

    Just sold from Russian warehouses by Russian people ...
  • Echo
    Echo 17 January 2014 20: 51
    +1
    Quote: rus9875
    where does the rifle and the plant "Mayak"?

    So I wanted to ask you the same thing.
  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 17 January 2014 21: 15
    0
    Zadolbali Ukrainophobia! What have you created in the Russian Federation? Armata? Boomerang? Kaolitsiya? PAK FA without engine and avionics?
    So you turn from the Slavic brothers into the worst enemies ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2014 21: 23
      -1
      Quote: REZMovec
      What have you created in the Russian Federation? Armata? Boomerang? Kaolitsiya? PAK FA without engine and avionics?

      No damn it, PAK FA on wood and coal flies according to the instructions of Aunt Sony from Odessa! Think what you write. fool
  • propolsky
    propolsky 17 January 2014 21: 27
    0
    Beautiful machine gun, eh would shoot a couple of times, to try ...
  • zulu_1
    zulu_1 17 January 2014 21: 32
    0
    Quote: GastaClaus69
    PSG1

    PSG1 - BEST (most accurate) self-loading sniper rifle. But the price is $ 20000
  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 17 January 2014 22: 01
    0
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: REZMovec
    What have you created in the Russian Federation? Armata? Boomerang? Kaolitsiya? PAK FA without engine and avionics?

    No damn it, PAK FA on wood and coal flies according to the instructions of Aunt Sony from Odessa! Think what you write. fool


    No, not on wood, but not on the "native" engine. "Google" to help, Ukrainophobe ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 17 January 2014 22: 20
      -1
      Quote: REZMovec
      No, not on wood, but not on the "native" engine. "Google" to help, ukrainophobe ..

      Do you have brains in your head? Or solid "Google"? lol
      I give a hint: PAK FA is the latest Russian Fifth generation Russian combat aircraft. How can a foreign engine appear there ??! belay You at least sometimes turn on your head!
      PS I am not a Ukrainophobe (as you put it). I just don’t like it when people hang noodles on my ears.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 18 January 2014 00: 14
    +1
    end here to strengthen the Berlin Wall.
    Weapons need to be let out and specialists to be prepared.
    1. Oleg Kharkov
      Oleg Kharkov 18 January 2014 00: 41
      +2
      The guys work, release a competitive product - you can only be happy.
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 18 January 2014 00: 45
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      end here to strengthen the Berlin Wall.
      Weapons need to be let out and specialists to be prepared.

      On that and we will solve.
      Praise the internet. smile
  • old rats
    old rats 18 January 2014 08: 35
    +1
    Here the bolt is very well made - made with two rows of combat stops


    Do they make weapons or doors there?
  • moskal68
    moskal68 18 January 2014 13: 01
    +1
    ShturmKGB
    A sniper rifle assembled at a musical instrument factory ...
    And what, during the breaks of battles it will be possible to blow into the trunk. Play Luigi Boccherini at your leisure.
  • tnship2
    tnship2 18 January 2014 13: 36
    +1
    Accurate weapons are a piece of work. Maybe the Ukrainians can do everything and work out. Maybe in order to move away from stereotypes, you need to be entrusted with building first-class weapons for pianostroiteli
  • REZMovec
    REZMovec 18 January 2014 15: 29
    +1
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: REZMovec
    No, not on wood, but not on the "native" engine. "Google" to help, ukrainophobe ..

    Do you have brains in your head? Or solid "Google"? lol
    I give a hint: PAK FA is the latest Russian Fifth generation Russian combat aircraft. How can a foreign engine appear there ??! belay You at least sometimes turn on your head!
    PS I am not a Ukrainophobe (as you put it). I just don’t like it when people hang noodles on my ears.


    Where did I write about a foreign engine? Noodle closes eyes ??? Flies on Russian engines, but not on those under which it was created. You have no brain! I’m fine with him.
    Because of such here as you, Internet resources create a DAMAGED ATMOSPHERE between the Slavs. More and more Ukrainians do not see a friend in the Russian Federation! Unfortunately ... You would have shared your thoughts with your wife in the kitchen - it would have been calmer in the world ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 19 January 2014 00: 57
      -1
      Quote: REZMovec
      Where did I write about a foreign engine? Noodle closes eyes ??? Flies on Russian engines, but not on those under which it was created.

      belay lol And on what? At the restaurant ??! laughing
      T-50 is not yet in the series. There is a refinement of TOTAL. And dviglov including (new ones are being developed). Notice, do not get amused, do not copy-paste, do not slam, do not buy, but are developed, feel the difference!
      You are however a comedian, if there are several different engines for a new aircraft, this does not mean that one is made for the aircraft, and the other is screwed from Kamaz, for fun! If the plane flies, it means its engine. This is the 5th generation, you know. There you can’t stick it anyhow. The dviglo should also correspond to the fifth generation, and naturally communicate with all systems of the 5th generation and much more, which I won’t tell you about, because it’s a secret.
      And also, be more calm about criticism. Do not immediately hang up labels and shout about Ukrainophobia. Try to listen and delve into. And if you present convincing arguments, everyone will agree with you, including me! yes
      Quote: REZMovec
      You would share your thoughts in the kitchen with your wife - it would be calmer in the world ...

      I never would have thought that I was a global threat lol
      Just don’t tell anyone, okay? Then there will be a surprise! laughing
  • vanaheym
    vanaheym 18 January 2014 17: 06
    +3
    I can not understand where so much negativity comes from? The VPR308 and VPR338 rifles were created on the basis of the Zbroyar Z008 Tactical Pro rifle by the same zbroyarov specialists. The rifle was developed by Konstantin Konev, who also developed the VK-003 rifle in 2003, manufactured in Belarus. This rifle (Z-008) was produced even before the Orsis T5000 rifle appeared, so some talk about the fact that it was copied from the Orsis rifle can go only in the opposite direction.
    Initially, the rifle was equipped with a Magpul PRS stock, so all complaints about the similarity of this with the butt of a German rifle should be addressed to Magpul. Now the rifles are equipped with their own self-developed butt, with which it is produced at the Mayak plant. Shooting accuracy is most likely somewhat worse than that of the rifles produced directly by the Zbroyar, since the Zbroyar use blanks from the Shilen and Lothar Walther barrels. The rifle is reliable and accurate, so some kind of ridicule, including about the place of release, is inappropriate. "Mayak" has always been a defense enterprise, and tape recorders were just a conversion product.
    At the moment "Zbroyarom" is producing the second generation rifle.
  • konvalval
    konvalval 20 January 2014 00: 49
    0
    Quote: Astrey
    The plant is very promising. On it under the Union and made tanks. Machine gun "Mayak" - just a fairy tale compared to the original Kalashnikov. The balance is amazing!

    I haven't held a rifle in my hands yet, but it's a matter of time. The rifle itself is a reconstructed "Zbroyar" and, otherwise you will not say - the similarity is not twins, but twins.

    Story. Why is M.T. Kalashnikov did not shake the creator of the tale?