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Why is it advantageous for Russia to defend Mongolia?

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Why is it advantageous for Russia to defend Mongolia?

Without supporting the strategic ally, the Russian Federation can receive from Beijing a geopolitical "mate"


Mongolia in its current form gained independence from China solely thanks to Russia. More precisely, Mongolia separated itself in 1911, taking advantage of the chaos of the Xinhai Revolution, but was able to keep it only through the support of the Russian Empire, and then the USSR, which achieved official recognition of Mongolia's independence from Beijing. The attitude of the PRC to this fact is now traditional for this, in particular, country: it recognizes previously concluded treaties until there is an opportunity to break them. In all Chinese historical publications say that Mongolia gained independence illegally, and the USSR "knocked out" the recognition of this independence, taking advantage of China's weakness.

This is the official non-alternative position, which means that as soon as Beijing has a chance, Mongolia will immediately say goodbye to independence. With a huge territory (about 1,56 million sq. Km, 18-th place in the world) with a very small population (about 2,9 million people, 140-th place in the world), this country does not have the ability to protect themselves from Chinese aggression. Prevents this aggression only Russia by the fact of its existence.

In the post-Soviet period, Mongolia actively developed relations with the West, and most of its armed forces went through various UN peacekeeping operations, where Mongolian soldiers and officers showed themselves well. However, this does not provide them with the opportunity to oppose the Chinese Army (PLA), and the West cannot be the guarantor of the independence of Mongolia. Firstly, for purely geographical reasons: Mongolia is landlocked and borders only with Russia and China. Accordingly, for foreign troops to be on the territory of Mongolia, Russia needs at least the consent of Russia. Despite the “holes” in the Russian air defense in the Far East, “without prior arrangement” through its airspace even the Americans will not risk flying. Secondly, what is much more important, even the Americans, not to mention the Europeans and the Japanese, under no circumstances will go to war with China in order to save Mongolia.

In recent years, in Ulan Bator, it is likely that this has begun to be understood. Meanwhile, Moscow finally remembered the existence of Mongolia, where only recently the entire population knew Russian. And I decided to give the country at least some attention, including in the military sphere, at least slightly updating the hopelessly outdated equipment of the Mongolian army.

Today, the Mongolian ground forces have a motorized rifle brigade, a construction regiment, a peacekeeping battalion (another one will be formed), a special forces battalion, and up to six regiments of incomplete readiness.

Tank The fleet includes 200 T-54, 170 - T-55, 280 - T-62, 50 - T-72A vehicles. Also in service are 120 units of BRDM-2, 150 - BRDM-1, 420 - BMP-1, 20 - BTR-80, 40 - BTR-70, 350 - BTR-60, 200 - BTR-40, 50 - BTR- 152. The artillery includes up to 600 towed guns, at least 140 mortars, about 250 MLRS (including 130 BM-21), up to 700 anti-tank guns.

Almost all the equipment of the ground forces is very outdated, a significant part of it is no longer capable, therefore, the above figures are largely conditional. Some exceptions are the T-72A tanks, as well as the BTR-70 and BTR-80 tanks, delivered in recent years from the Armed Forces. This technique is also not known in any way, but it is nevertheless qualitatively better than previously available, moreover, it is much less physically worn out.

The Mongolian air force does not currently have combat aircraft. Previously, the 12 MiG-21PFM and 2 MiG-21UM were in service and have been deposited and, apparently, will be sold for parts (most likely, to the DPRK). There are only transport planes - two An-24 (two more in storage), three An-26. Accordingly, the entire strike power of the Mongolian air force is eleven combat helicopters Mi-24. In addition, transport helicopters are in service - eleven Mi-8, three Mi-17.

Ground defense consists of two C-75 air defense missile systems, one C-125М air defense missile system, 250 - Strela-2 man-portable air defense missile systems, 75 and Z-23 anti-aircraft guns.

About the technology of the Air Force, you can say the same thing as about the equipment of the ground forces. The exception is the division of the upgraded C-125M SAM systems received from Russia two years ago. By itself, C-125 - the system is not new, but upgrading it significantly improved. The possibility of Mongolia’s purchase of several MiG-29 fighters from the Air Force of the Russian Federation is being discussed.

It is significant that, despite participating in the Afghan and Iraqi campaigns, Mongolia did not acquire any American weapons, only a certain amount of equipment and equipment. Mongol weapons are still on 100% Russian. And conditionally, new equipment has been acquired recently in Russia. Since 2008, the annual joint Russian-Mongolian military exercises have been resumed, which take place alternately in Mongolia and in the Russian Buryatia ethnically related to it.

The fact that the only real guarantor of Mongolia’s independence is Russia does not mean that Mongolia needs the Russian Federation more than Russia needs Mongolia. The huge state occupies the most important strategic position between Russia and China. In the event of war between the last two countries, the one that will control the territory of Mongolia will benefit. That is why relations with it are critically important for both parties, especially for the one that is weaker (that is, for Russia). The preservation of neutrality by Mongolia in the event of such a war seems completely unrealistic.

In general, there are two countries that Russia is beneficial in case of something to defend against China as well as itself, this is Kazakhstan and Mongolia. By "surrendering" them, the Russian Federation will receive from Beijing a geopolitical "mate" and automatically lose the territory east of the Urals.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 10 January 2014 12: 04
    +17
    Mongolia needs to be helped, joint ventures created there !!! Sell our weapons !!! China has a large population, and therefore large appetites, it is necessary to limit them !!! Otherwise, China will absorb everything! But this cannot be allowed !!!
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 10 January 2014 15: 22
      0
      I read somewhere that in the 2014 year he will join Russia. supposedly there is an agreement ...
      1. Ihrek
        Ihrek 10 January 2014 15: 44
        +9
        It would be a geopolitical mate to China, and not just China.
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        2. Bagatur
          Bagatur 10 January 2014 18: 16
          -7
          Will China look calm? I’m not quite sure that if not SNF, Russia at that time could fight with China ...
        3. alone
          alone 10 January 2014 23: 07
          +5
          Quote: Jamal
          It would be a geopolitical mate to China, and not just China.

          What will it mean to China? Didn’t I know that even during the USSR, Mongolia was in the sphere of influence of the USSR and there were Soviet troops in Mongolia. Do you think China is not aware of this?
      2. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 10 January 2014 15: 45
        -7
        ShturmKGB
        I read somewhere that in the 2014 year he will join Russia. supposedly there is an agreement ...


        Rather, all this is from the field of rumors) Where it is more profitable to join China))
      3. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 10 January 2014 15: 51
        +20
        To the Customs Union. hi
        1. Sakmagon
          Sakmagon 10 January 2014 16: 44
          +6
          I agree, we need Mongolia (by the way, the Mongols with the Russian language still have no special problems).
          In Soviet times, the officers even had a saying: "Chicken is not a bird, Mongolia is not abroad."
          But for the rest ...
          ... relations with her are critically important for both sides, especially for the one which is weaker (that is, for Russia)(?????) ... Kazakhstan and Mongolia. Having “handed over” them, the Russian Federation will receive a geopolitical “mat” from Beijing and automatically lose territory east of the Urals. ????

          THE MAIN THING - TIME TO STOP.
          I didn't have time - and, in general, an intelligent assessment of the situation turned into a "joke-forecast".
          1. Altanod
            Altanod 10 July 2019 10: 44
            0
            When part of the Irkutsk region went under water, the Mongols quietly, without any fuss, took and sent two consignments of humanitarian supplies: flour, meat products, warm blankets and things. In Ulan Bator, a headquarters has been set up to raise funds for the injured, and children's camps are ready to accept up to one hundred children for the purpose of relaxation and acquaintance with the culture of this ancient country. Without a pump. Without high-profile statements on international platforms. Just done. Just by old friendship.

            Therefore, when we talk about friends and allies of Russia - yes, we can recall the French Resistance; the Italian Messina keeps the memory of Russian sailors who were the first to come to the aid of a city dying from an earthquake, a bust of Admiral F. F. Ushakov was installed on Greek Corfu ... But for some reason, Russia sees real help, brotherly help, neighborly only from Mongolia . For which simple human thanks to them.


            https://news-front.info/2019/07/07/o-rossijskih-soyuznikah-i-rossijskih-soyuznikah/?fbclid=IwAR3B2v8PVSXLqHyPi1RK15glfDXPKg3kviEdPKmwsqhf0ElK16_9i5hyP2s
      4. GDP
        GDP 10 January 2014 16: 59
        +10
        At one time they wanted to join the USSR, ours joked adding the word - officially, because in fact it was so part of the USSR.
        Sometimes Mongolia was even called the 16 Republic.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 10 January 2014 18: 05
          +4
          Quote: GDP
          Sometimes Mongolia was even called the 16 Republic.

          Do not confuse with Bulgaria?
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 10 January 2014 21: 32
            +6
            IN SOVIET TIME IN THE ARMED FORCES WENT A RISK: CHICKEN - NOT A BIRD, MONGOLIA - NOT A BORDER
        2. Bagatur
          Bagatur 10 January 2014 18: 17
          +2
          It is possible and that was, but ... "de jure" and "de facto" are not always the same ...
      5. GDP
        GDP 10 January 2014 17: 07
        +6
        A sensational statement was made by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. From 2014 of the year, Mongolia may become part of the Russian Federation as an autonomous republic.

        This was preceded by the abolition of the visa regime, as well as close Russian-Mongolian economic ties (Mongolia receives 95% of imported oil from Russia). The preliminary agreement was signed by Presidents Dmitry Medvedev and Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj as early as 12 on April 2012, but only yesterday was approved by the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, and then by President Vladimir Putin.

        “Of course, such a union is beneficial for Russia,” Lavrov comments on this decision. - Despite the fact that in the Soviet period Mongolia was a subsidized region for the USSR, today the situation has changed. According to Xinhua News Agency, GDP growth over the 2011 year was 17,3%, which makes it the absolute economic leader in the world. For comparison, in China, GDP growth over the 2011 year was only 9,8%, in Russia - 4,3%. In addition, Mongolia has been a member of the WTO since 1997. An additional plus is the specially developed migration policy program. All those who are now called “guest workers” will be able to get work there. Thus, we will completely get rid of the growing momentum of interethnic conflicts. And the demographic situation in Mongolia will improve it. Now throughout its territory lives 2 million 755 thousand people. Density - 1,8 people per sq. kilometer. This is eight times less than in Russia.
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 10 January 2014 18: 21
          -17%
          Russia has a 4 km border with Kita, what will it be after unification with Mongolia? China has always looked to Mongolia as its patrimony ... If now the Russia-China war is only hypopothetic, after such a step it is practically inevitable ...
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 10 January 2014 20: 08
          +5
          Quote: GDP
          A sensational statement was made by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. From 2014 of the year, Mongolia may become part of the Russian Federation as an autonomous republic.

          It is not clear why you are posting deliberately false information from "we invent news ourselves."
        3. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 10 January 2014 22: 00
          0
          Ahem ... I beg your pardon, but there the visa was so nominal. Snowboarding in the 2008th in Mongolia. Visa issued in 5 minutes. at 3 a.m.
          In general, Mongolia is an excellent country. I recall youth with pleasure when we went hiking and diving there at the grandfather of Lake Baikal.
        4. alone
          alone 10 January 2014 23: 08
          +5
          Quote: GDP
          A sensational statement was made by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. From 2014 of the year, Mongolia may become part of the Russian Federation as an autonomous republic.


          )) Well, breathe into the phone !!))
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 10 January 2014 23: 17
            +3
            wassat Omar, I thought about the same
        5. doctor.75
          doctor.75 11 January 2014 15: 27
          +1
          Rubbed out 2 search engines on this topic. Everywhere one and the same "yellow" nonsense without references to official sources, and word for word copied either in its entirety, or cut with quotes. For instance: http://ei.com.ua/news/393505-mongoliya-prositsya-v-sostav-rossii-na-pravakh-avto
          nomii.html

          Especially about the gypsies put in: __ Yes, and this will improve the demographic situation in Mongolia. Now 2 million 755 thousand people live on its entire territory. The population density is 1,8 people per square meter. kilometer. This is eight times less than in Russia. Well, where does it fit? By the way, Gypsies accustomed to a nomadic lifestyle will be deported to the same place.__ Like a quote from our minister (!) "Mein Kampf" gives off on the sly, in my opinion. In short, complete nonsense! smile
      6. AVV
        AVV 11 January 2014 22: 48
        0
        You probably meant the CSTO or another association with the participation of Russia ???
    2. dark_65
      dark_65 10 January 2014 16: 56
      +1
      What will they buy? Do you really represent this country?
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 10 January 2014 17: 05
        +5
        Have you heard about Erdenet?
        1. SPLV
          SPLV 10 January 2014 17: 45
          +4
          Sorry, why Erdenet is in quotation marks? This is a big city with a mining and processing plant (GOK), on which many of our citizens worked in Soviet times. My friends worked there for more than a year, there was a Russian school, everyone was happy, I heard only good reviews.
          1. nikcris
            nikcris 10 January 2014 17: 56
            +4
            I'm talking about GOK, about the plant itself.
            There is now MPR-RF 51-49%
    3. GDP
      GDP 10 January 2014 17: 03
      +4
      From the speech of Stalin:
      some state wants to make a bridgehead from Outer Mongolia for an attack by the USSR, which we do not want to allow.
      The independence of Mongolia was one of the conditions for the USSR to enter the war with Japan on the side of the allies.
    4. Christian
      Christian 10 January 2014 19: 07
      +7
      The liberator of Mongolia from the Chinese invaders was in 1920 Baron Ungern. A white general who became a Mongol idol and demigod. The Russians have always been brothers with the Mongols. You need to stay with them! By the way, a year ago there was information about the accession of Mongolia to Russia? I would like to!
    5. StolzSS
      StolzSS 10 January 2014 21: 49
      -8
      You can not limit the appetites of the Chinese. Their appetites are limited only by their party and government. We must work with them so that China defends its interests and our interests as ours, then we are the winners. Otherwise, we will checkmate through a few bad moves ....
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 10 January 2014 22: 03
        +1
        You very accurately jumped. Only, alas, do not understand the mentality of Asians. They will never have such a thing as protecting the interests of others ... just like that.
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 10 January 2014 23: 14
          +3
          Genghis Khan in deep out in the other world ........ then they paid tribute to the Mongols, now, as a training ground for a tank biathlon, Mongolia is eager to become part of Russia and fears the cowardly (according to Batu Khan) Chinese wassat
          1. 0255
            0255 11 January 2014 12: 49
            0
            Quote: strannik595
            Genghis Khan in deep out in the other world ........ then they paid tribute to the Mongols, now, as a training ground for a tank biathlon, Mongolia is eager to become part of Russia and fears the cowardly (according to Batu Khan) Chinese wassat

            and where do they go?
    6. alone
      alone 10 January 2014 23: 05
      +2
      The tank fleet includes 200 T-54, 170 - T-55, 280 - T-62, 50 - T-72A vehicles. Also in service are 120 units of BRDM-2, 150 - BRDM-1, 420 - BMP-1, 20 - BTR-80, 40 - BTR-70, 350 - BTR-60, 200 - BTR-40, 50 - BTR- 152. The artillery includes up to 600 towed guns, at least 140 mortars, about 250 MLRS (including 130 BM-21s), and up to 700 anti-tank guns. The Mongolian Air Force does not now have combat aircraft. Previously in service 12 MiG-21PFM and 2 MiG-21UM were handed over for storage and, apparently, will be sold for spare parts (most likely, in the DPRK). There are only transport aircraft - two An-24 (two more in storage), three An-26. Accordingly, the entire striking power of the Mongolian Air Force is eleven Mi-24 combat helicopters. In addition, transport helicopters are in service - eleven Mi-8s, three Mi-17s. Ground-based air defense includes two S-75 air defense divisions, one S-125M air defense missile system, 250 - Strela-2 MANPADS, 75 anti-aircraft guns each -23 and S-60.


      In a word, practically Mongolia is defenseless
      1. SSR
        SSR 11 January 2014 00: 52
        +1
        In a word ... In general, wrote Khramchikhin, I will not say anything.
        1. Ataman
          Ataman 11 January 2014 14: 14
          +1
          You must not be silent, but the moderator should say that publishing articles of all kinds of pseudo-experts like Khramchikhin on the website is a loss of reputation.
          What is the phrase:
          "... relations with her are critically important for both sides, especially for the one that is weaker (that is, for Russia)"
          Russia can turn any country in the world into a nuclear desert in 15 minutes, and the only country that can do the same is the United States. And China, in terms of the number of warheads and carriers, is only visible on the horizon, and the screams of the same Khramchikhin about China's nuclear potential have nothing to do with reality. This pseudo-expert has already built his whole career on the "Chinese threat".
          Russia needs Mongolia because it is much easier to defend the border from Mongolian poachers and illegal immigrants than from the Chinese. Mongolia is a huge customs zone separating us from the Chinese comrades.
      2. Basil123
        Basil123 11 January 2014 14: 32
        -1
        Well, why defenseless))) it’s quite acceptable for such areas to use vacuum bombs would be acceptable))
  2. Sirs
    Sirs 10 January 2014 12: 06
    +3
    Mongolia 16 republic of the USSR if anyone understood what I said. But times have changed here in Mongolia to look for rare earth materials and then and then there will be a game ...
    1. I think so
      I think so 10 January 2014 20: 44
      -2
      You on your land do not know what and where lies, but already in Mongolia you are going to look for something ... And where is the brain of people?
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 10 January 2014 22: 04
      +1
      Nafig, nafig ... And then they will immediately announce that there is no democracy, there are no portraits of Uncle Mao ... etc.)
      Find, classify and mine as uranium since 43rd)
  3. pensioner
    pensioner 10 January 2014 15: 11
    +15
    Mongolian soldiers and officers have proven themselves well

    During his student days, he had a lot of communication with the Mongols. They were even friends with one. I respect
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 10 January 2014 18: 20
      +3
      If someone does not believe, then I still remember the name and patronymic: Chuuk Chuulanbator! Damn talented was a chess player! God kissed! I envied him !! But he could strain and beat him ... But rarely ... He made a splash on our 1st board !! What has he done on his birthday ... I will not say anything ...
  4. Renat
    Renat 10 January 2014 15: 15
    +2
    At one time, Genghis Khan conquered China. Here is the Celestial Empire and grinds a tooth on sparsely populated lands. Where to put the citizens? Soon, the Great Wall will be rolled over already.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 10 January 2014 15: 21
      +7
      Quote: Renat
      At one time, Genghis Khan conquered China. Here is a memorial of the Celestial Empire and grinds a tooth on sparsely populated lands.


      China sharpens its teeth on any land, regardless of historical and geopolitical background. He has territorial problems with all its neighbors, with the exception, perhaps, of Russia (for now), since we have merged all the disputed territories into one gate.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 10 January 2014 18: 27
        +6
        Quote: Stiletto
        He has territorial problems with all its neighbors, with the exception, perhaps, of Russia (for now), since we have merged all the disputed territories into one gate.

        Well, how would we, too, give part of the territory, and it seems that so far they have no claim to us.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 10 January 2014 20: 22
          0
          Kleg, old man, you and I already raised this topic yesterday. If all this bearded offspring rushes to you --- who will you ask for help? Can you handle it yourself ??? No offense! Remember, I already uploaded a video of Kazakh militants in Syria ? We arrived there with families
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 10 January 2014 20: 36
            +3
            Quote: Den 11
            Cleg, old man,

            welcome

            Quote: Den 11
            Really do it yourself ??? No offense!

            brother, I didn’t think that you underestimate our army so much)) can’t we cope with the mountain Bedouins? and here we are talking about them, do not forget that our guys guarded the Tajik border with the Afghans before the arrival of the Americans.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 10 January 2014 20: 42
              0
              I’ve offended you, sorry. Panibratsky is too early to talk (probably). You underestimate them a little.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 10 January 2014 21: 16
                +3
                Quote: Den 11
                Panibratsky is too early to talk (probably).

                This is how I appeal to everyone, bauyr (in Kazakh), brother or bro. If this is a problem, I will consider wink
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 10 January 2014 21: 20
                  +3
                  You misunderstood me --- I thought it was my cant! I tried to apologize
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 10 January 2014 21: 27
                    +5
                    Quote: Den 11
                    ! Tried to apologize

                    all OK)))

                    Quote: Den 11
                    You underestimate them a little.

                    and what to evaluate them, they fight thanks to geography, support of the population and knowledge of the area.

                    I don't feel sorry for them, they are hypocritical scum, honestly

            2. ekzorsist
              ekzorsist 10 January 2014 22: 29
              0
              The border was guarded by the Russians! But how is it being guarded now? If even a simple conscript, the boy is Chelakh, according to the statement and the court, one !!! managed to lay 14 contract men !!! KNB - the elite !!! border service !!! led by staff officers !!! - And what do you call the army?
              Yes, you are just a generalimus from the Kazakh armed forces.
              The army of Kazakhstan is now engaged in such nonsense - as studying the anthem of Kazakhstan in the Kazakh language, teams and ranks of officers in the Kazakh language and other similar nonsense ... and you hope that a soldier with a quote from the Kazakh language in his pocket can adequately protect something?
        2. ekzorsist
          ekzorsist 10 January 2014 22: 20
          +1
          Oh oh ???!
          China has claims to Kazakhstan and some more!
          In principle, the territory of Kazakhstan, almost to Tselinograd, the Chinese consider theirs ... alas, this is a fact!
          And Kazakhstan, in terms of development, has not gone far from Mongolia, which is what it (Kazakhstan) has shown over the past 20 years of so-called "independence".
          Realistically opposed to any external, and lately we see that Kazakhstan is simply not able to alter the internal (those whom they themselves have created) the aggressor.
          The government is busy "sawing" public money, the so-called "businessmen" are busy laundering this money for interest ... and no one cares about everything else.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 10 January 2014 22: 32
            +3
            Quote: ekzorsist
            Oh oh ???!


            I noticed that in any branch about Kazakhstan, you pour dirt and specially write the name of my country with a small letter.

            Why don’t you come to the country you want?
            1. nikcris
              nikcris 10 January 2014 22: 35
              0
              Why, is there a branch about Kazakhstan? Koumiss, it seems, is not very strong, but you got lost.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 10 January 2014 22: 37
                +1
                Quote: nikcris
                Why, is there a branch about Kazakhstan?

                Over my shoulder, did I really claim that this is a branch about Kazakhstan?
                1. nikcris
                  nikcris 10 January 2014 22: 40
                  0
                  Reread the post to which I replied, and hang on your shoulder what your horse has, aksakal. I saw you in such columns. am
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 10 January 2014 22: 50
                    +3
                    Quote: nikcris
                    Reread the post


                    Quote: Clegg
                    in any branch about Kazakhstan you pour dirt and specially write the name of my country with a small letter.


                    Where is it written that this is a branch about Kazakhstan?)) I just wrote that in any branch about KZ it pours mud on us. You do not believe the wailing of his comments. And the fact that he wrote here did not even read and did not claim that this is a branch about Kazakhstan.

                    And about the horse and the elder finally can not topic, or do you think that you offended me?)))
                    1. nikcris
                      nikcris 10 January 2014 23: 04
                      -3
                      Do you think you insulted me? I have not heard that.
                      1. Clegg
                        Clegg 10 January 2014 23: 43
                        0
                        nikcris
                        Yes, I didn’t contact you at all) I myself clung that it was not a branch about Kazakhstan)))
            2. Day 11
              Day 11 10 January 2014 22: 39
              0
              Fuck! That's what I wanted to show
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 10 January 2014 23: 07
                +1
                Quote: Den 11
                Fuck! That's what I wanted to show

                all Wahhabis there)))
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 10 January 2014 23: 12
                  0
                  I don’t understand one thing, are you going to jihad --- why the heck do you drag children with you?
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 10 January 2014 23: 45
                    +3
                    Zombie people, sorry for the little boys. By the way, they write that many of them have already laid down ...
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                    1. Day 11
                      Day 11 10 January 2014 23: 50
                      0
                      I know this. Photo spread nebudu
      2. Onotollah
        Onotollah 10 January 2014 20: 00
        +1
        Quote: Stiletto
        China grinds a tooth on any land

        True to all 100%.
        The Mongols are indeed in a vulnerable position, in such a vast territory there are less than 3 million people.
        There is reason to think hard.
        If they enter as autonomy, then for them it is a very strong move.
      3. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 10 January 2014 21: 25
        +2
        About the territories. Khabarovsk Territory (not fully), Amur Region, Primorsky Territory, Birobidzhan, for China it is EXTERNAL MANCHURIA! fellow These territories really were part of the Chinese Empire (like Mongolia). So there is no need to rush about territorial disputes. On occasion, they will all remember us. The main thing here is not to relax winked
        And the fact that they have conceded is tops, so, nonsense. Some kind of islands. It is about huge territories.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 10 January 2014 21: 31
          +1
          Guys, and you, in your search, hammer in "Vladivostok is like a Chinese territory" - believe me, you will learn a lot of new things for yourself. After reading --- without a mat!
    2. ele1285
      ele1285 10 January 2014 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: Renat
      At one time, Genghis Khan conquered China. Here is the Celestial Empire and grinds a tooth on sparsely populated lands. Where to put the citizens? Soon, the Great Wall will be rolled over already.

      They crossed the wall a long time ago, and Temujin, according to the Chinese annals, was RYZHEVOLOS and the green-eyed, a typical Mongol, like the Martians and you.
    3. Bagatur
      Bagatur 10 January 2014 18: 23
      +2
      Now in the so-called Inner Mongolia in the KNP, there are many more Mongols from the PRC.
    4. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 10 January 2014 22: 07
      +2
      Are you laughing? China has a theory - a toe will not spoil a figure. And even with this story, look at the percentage of the population relative to the region. Their west is bare, almost like in the north in Russia, while on the coast it is even worse than in Moscow.
  5. Lindon
    Lindon 10 January 2014 15: 18
    +11
    It was not for nothing that Stalin forced Mao to recognize Mongolia.
    Stalin gave East Turkestan - since Kazakhstan remained with him.
    And Stalin could no longer afford to give Mongolia - no matter how close Mao’s brother was to him.
    The absorption of the buffer state is always a declaration of war - Stalin knew this very well from the experience of two world wars.
    1. Bagatur
      Bagatur 10 January 2014 18: 27
      0
      The absorption of the buffer state is always a declaration of war - Stalin knew this very well from the experience of two world wars.

      But do not Putin and the current Russian politicians know this, but can they beat it up? If the absorption of Mongolia by China in 1945 is "casus belli" for the USSR now, as China looked at it from the other side, the Russian Federation will absorb Mongolia .. and then?
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 10 January 2014 15: 19
    +3
    It is too expensive to supply high-tech strike weapons there, and he has no one to work with there. But a couple of Voronezhs and modern air defense systems would be very useful there: they would cover the territory of Russia from an unpredictable neighbor in the long term, and slow down the invasion if it happened, God forbid.
  7. xan
    xan 10 January 2014 15: 22
    +6
    It would be better to write how things are now with the presence of Russian and Chinese companies in Mongolia.
    This is exactly the case when a small country located between two large countries has almost a guarantee of independence.
  8. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 10 January 2014 15: 24
    -21%
    Here we are just missing Mongolia. From the beginning, you need to sort it out in your household
  9. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 January 2014 15: 26
    +3
    from the Don.
    It’s a very good policy to support Mongolia with all its might! Q: drunk: the Mongols backed away, but I think they don’t want a second Halkin-Gole! They have ripened! Well, ours is enough to sleep!
  10. Uruska
    Uruska 10 January 2014 15: 26
    -4
    The most backward army
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 10 January 2014 16: 21
      +7
      Quote: Uruska
      The most backward army

      Well yes! laughing They would border the Baltic states and the combined forces of the three mighty states would drive the most backward army into awe laughing laughing laughing
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 10 January 2014 16: 24
      +6
      But for some country and the Baltic states a formidable enemy! wink
      1. 120352
        120352 10 January 2014 21: 03
        -3
        And this, by chance, is not all that we have, except for "Swifts"?
    3. dark_65
      dark_65 10 January 2014 17: 02
      +4
      rather the most untrained. yes, but I wouldn’t call a backward one. like a Mongol fighter is very good.
      1. Onotollah
        Onotollah 10 January 2014 20: 04
        +1
        It is in their blood.
        Like the Buryats, the bratuh-wrestler.
        In his youth, he trained with the Buryats, very tough fighters. And faithful comrades.
    4. Andrey57
      Andrey57 10 January 2014 23: 43
      +1
      The Mongols are excellent soldiers, and their special forces are quite trained soldiers, in fact, our specialists from the GRU stood at the origins.
  11. Starfish
    Starfish 10 January 2014 15: 30
    +1
    "In general, there are two countries that are beneficial for Russia in case of something to protect from China as well as itself - these are Kazakhstan and Mongolia." Having handed them over, the Russian Federation will receive a geopolitical "checkmate" from Beijing and will automatically lose territory east of the Urals . "

    for once, Khramchikhin wrote something sensible
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 11 January 2014 02: 41
      -1
      Quote: Starfish
      for once, Khramchikhin wrote something sensible

      Yes, what can he write efficiently. This is written from fear of the Chinese threat. If he knew that besides the Russian-Mongolian teachings, as often, if not more often, the Sino-Mongolian exercises would take place, he would write to bed at night.

      From the moment we established relations with Mongolia in 1921 until the collapse of the USSR, we had good relations. Khalkhin-Gol, the war with Japan, the recognition of Mongolia by China, the entry of the MPR into the UN with our support, economic cooperation. After the collapse of the Union, everything went awry.
      Until 91, our relations were built on the basis of the “Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance” of 1966. Now they are built on the basis of the 1993 Agreement on Friendship and Cooperation. Feel the difference.
      And generally speaking
      Russia spent a huge amount of money, both political and financial (they wrote off the Soviet debt of $ 11.4 billion, and then 97,8% of the new one, equal to US $ 172 million) to return to Mongolia, Putin and Medvedev came to the country and personally tried to restore ties and include the country in the sphere of Russian influence, but Moscow failed to achieve the desired.

      Why did it happen? The author gives the following answer. Firstly, Moscow has a rather poor idea of ​​the political situation in Mongolia (on the issue of the need for Mongolian studies) and bet on the wrong players. Putin supported N. Enkhbayar, who not only lost power, but ended up in prison on corruption charges. And Ts. Elbegdorzh, who succeeded him as president, Putin ignored during his visit in 2009. Prime Minister S. Bayar, who had promised Russia mineral licenses, resigned
      http://mongoloved.org

      In general, the Mongols maneuver between us and the Chinese, are friends with the United States and NATO, even sent troops to Afghanistan. At the same time, they are friends with the DPRK. In the mining industry, maneuver between Australia, Canada, Russia, China, Japan, etc.
      It is necessary to be friends with Mongolia, but they are not very interested in our protection. No wonder the word "mutual assistance" has disappeared from the new treaty. China will look menacingly in their direction, they will run to us. We awkwardly wave a club - they will hide behind the Chinese.
      In general, friendship is friendship, and tobacco apart ...
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 11 January 2014 05: 41
        0
        Well yes, since then they love you
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 11 January 2014 07: 46
          0
          Did you understand what you said? what
  12. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 10 January 2014 15: 32
    +5
    Well, in the dashing acts of Russia, it’s not that there was nothing to do with Mongolia. Nevertheless, arms deliveries to Mongolia are underway, as noted in the article:
    In 2012, the Mongolian army received from Russia a batch of weapons and military equipment from the presence of the Russian armed forces under agreements concluded with the Russian Ministry of Defense in 2009-2010. Including Mongolia, up to 50 T-72A tanks and 40 modernized armored personnel carriers BTR-70M, as well as Ural vehicles were transferred. Tanks T-72 and BTR-70 were not previously in service in Mongolia. Presumably, the tanks were transferred after a major overhaul to the 103rd Armored Repair Plant in Atamanovka, Trans-Baikal Territory.

    T-72A tanks and BTR-70M armored personnel carriers, which entered service with the 016th motorized rifle brigade of the Mongolian army.
    In 2010, a division of the upgraded S-125-2M "Pechora-2M" air defense systems with self-propelled launchers 5P73-2M on the MZKT-8021 chassis with a 6x6 wheel arrangement was delivered.

    SPU 5P73-2M SAM "Pechora-2M" at a military parade in the capital of Mongolia Ulaanbaatar in honor of the 90th anniversary of the national revolution, July 11, 2011 in the capital of Mongolia Ulaanbaatar
    Previously, the 20 BTR-80 was delivered to the Mongol peacekeeping battalion.

    The delivery of 4 used MiG-29 was expected, but for some reason has not yet taken place ..
    Yes, and the Mongols themselves, by the way, do not like the Chinese very much, and they even have their own skinheads who are fighting against the "come in large numbers" Chinese ...

    Mongolian skinheads
    However, Mongolia is already going to purchase three C-130 military transport aircraft from Lockheed Martin, an American company, and get help from Alaska national guard specialists for this, for which Mongolian interns will leave for Alaska in the near future. This type of aircraft is needed by Mongolia for active participation in peacekeeping operations - now the country spends 1,4% of its budget on the armed forces. Since 2015, according to the Minister of Defense of Mongolia, purchases of military equipment can be increased.
    http://www.legendtour.ru/rus/mongolia/informations/army_of_mongolia.shtml
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 10 January 2014 17: 41
      +3
      It’s a little off topic, but about skinheads I was on holiday in Egypt and met Arab skinheads, many wouldn’t believe me, and I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t talked to them, in general, these tattoos were filled with swathes and SS runes for themselves, all are short-haired and really believe and share the ideas of Nazism, I thought at first that tourists are dark-skinned, but not purebred local Arabs, such exotic in Egypt, the acre of the Pyramids, etc.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 10 January 2014 18: 17
        +2
        Quote: RUSS
        all are short-haired and really believe and share the ideas of Nazism, I thought at first that tourists are dark-skinned, but there are no purebred local Arabs, that's such an exotic in Egypt

        What's so exotic? Arabs were allies of Hitler, the Japanese were called honorary Aryans.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 10 January 2014 22: 53
          0
          Tell me, oh, wisest, Arab state - an ally of Germany in WWII.
          I’m shy, I don’t know this.
          Likely in the history of Kazakhstan, even such a thing is known - enlighten.
          1. alone
            alone 10 January 2014 23: 26
            +5
            Quote: nikcris
            Tell me, oh, wisest, Arab state - an ally of Germany in WWII.
            I’m shy, I don’t know this.
            Likely in the history of Kazakhstan, even such a thing is known - enlighten.


            Hitler's ally was the Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini. Also, Hitler's ally was Rashid Ali al-Gailani, who was regent of the king of Iraq, there was even an Iraq-English war on this occasion. So Hitler had allies in the Arab world.
            By the way, you probably heard about the Arab SS Legion and the fact that many SS officers were hiding in the Arab countries and were even advisers to the presidents of the Arab countries. And yet, you know who the author of these lines is? "My dear Hitler. I greet you with all my heart. If you, apparently, have now lost the war, you are still a true winner. You managed to drive a wedge between old Churchill and his allies - the spawn of Satan. "Do not be surprised. These words belong to Anwar Sadat, the future president of Egypt, who was sitting for espionage in favor of Rommel))
            1. nikcris
              nikcris 10 January 2014 23: 44
              -1
              Respected! I did not read your post. Tell me, Ukraine was an ally of Germany in WWII, unlike Bulgaria, Finland, Slovakia, Italy, Hungary ...? And according to your logic - WAS !.

              What is cool - to Ukraine in the Mongolian issue in connection with the Arab fascists returned.
              Are you able to build a logical chain?

              PSPS
              We will die, but understand that in that war, the Jews fought on the side of Hitler against England and the Arabs fought on the side of Hitler against England.
              1. alone
                alone 11 January 2014 00: 12
                +1
                Quote: nikcris
                Jews fought on the side of Hitler against England and Arabs fought on the side of Hitler against England.

                )) Well, you yourself answered as if to a question that you yourself asked about the Arab countries)) Well, it is clear why the Arabs supported the Reich. Hatred of the Jews and the British)) hi

                P.S. I understand that "the Jews fought on the side of Hitler against England" here you wanted to write the other way around))
                1. nikcris
                  nikcris 11 January 2014 00: 32
                  -2
                  I wrote EVERYTHING correctly - you don’t read it carefully ... JEWS fought in WWII in the Middle East in the interests of Germany, against England !!! WHAT is it not clear?
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                3. Roman 1977
                  Roman 1977 11 January 2014 00: 52
                  +2
                  No, he is right, according to the research of the American historian Brian Rigg, only in the German army there were at least 150 thousand soldiers, officers and generals with Jewish blood who, according to modern Israeli laws, have the right to citizenship. Some of them have received high awards, such as the Knight's Cross of the Iron Crosses I and II degrees and the Knight's Cross Colonel Walter Hollander. Goering's front-line friend Erhard Milch rose to the rank of Field Marshal. On January 2, 1944, at the direction of Hitler, a list of officers who later became famous was compiled with an admixture of Jewish blood, or married to persons with an admixture of Jewish blood. The officers on the list (only officers of the ground forces) could not be used in key posts, and the older ones were supposed to be gradually retired. The list is called: "List of 77".
                  For a long time, the Nazi press put on their covers a photograph of a blue-eyed blonde in a helmet. Under the picture it read: “An ideal German soldier.”


                  This Aryan ideal was the Wehrmacht fighter Werner Goldberg (with a Jewish pope). There are many reasons to doubt the Aryan origin of the Golden Cross cavalier Willy Maksimovich, who successfully rammed an American bomber on his Fokke-Wulf ... Adding people with Jewish blood to these outstanding people armies of the Allies of the Reich, it is hardly worth wondering that only in Soviet captivity did the Jews at the end of the war register 10 173 people.
                  Now, what about the Jews of Palestine: In August 1940, the group “Lohamet Herut Israel” (“Fighters for the Freedom of Israel”) was separated from the terrorist “Irgun Zwei Leumi” (“National Military Organization”), whose leadership decided to make peace with the British during the war. led by Abraham (Yair) Stern. Stern militants successfully shoot British officers and officials, rob banks and try to establish contacts with the Third Reich. Stern’s envoy, Naftali Lubenchik, meets in Beirut with German Foreign Minister Werner Otto von Hentig, and they even publish a joint statement on the upcoming friendship between Israel and the Third Reich.
                  The British become brutal, kill Stern, imprison many activists of the organization, intercept Nathan Elin-Mohr, an ally of Stern, who had left for another meeting with the Nazis, but the others continue to act. The actual leader of the organization is Yitzhak Yezernitsky, a native of the Belarusian village of Ruzhany, who escaped from prison. The culmination of his terrorist activities is the assassination of British Secretary of State for the Middle East Walter Guinness on 6 of November 1944 of the year and the liquidation of UN representative Volke Bernadotte of 17 of September 1948 of the year. Then Jezernitsky, better known as Yitzhak Shamir, goes into politics and on October 10 of the 1983 of the year he holds the high post of Israeli Prime Minister.
                  At the end of 1943, the young lawyer born in Brest, Menachem Begin, became the leader of Irgun Zwei Leumi. The organization immediately resumes the terror against the British and does not stop it until they leave Palestine, and Begin, on June 21 of June 1977, was elected Israeli Prime Minister.
                  In Israel, Begin, Shamir, Stern and their associates are highly esteemed, and in honor of the latter one of the country's villages is named Kokhav Yair (Star of Yair).
        2. nikcris
          nikcris 10 January 2014 23: 10
          0
          Can a reliable quote, not from a banquet, about the honorable Japanese Aryans ?.
          Here to you, dear, not in the steppe of goats to tear to pieces in pieces. lol
    2. Bagatur
      Bagatur 10 January 2014 18: 30
      +1
      Compare Mongolia with China ??? If you put not 4 but 400 MiG -29 everything is exactly ... the possibilities are incomparable !!!
  13. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 10 January 2014 15: 45
    +2
    We will not abandon Mongolia. As they say for a neighbor, we will guarantee both word and deed.
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    2. Ihrek
      Ihrek 10 January 2014 15: 55
      +7
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      We will not abandon Mongolia. As they say for a neighbor, we will guarantee both word and deed.

      If only the neighbor himself would not turn his back on us to the one who pays the most, and this sometimes happens.
  14. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 16: 06
    +21
    Mongolia is a reliable ally ..! (if I am not mistaken at the beginning of the Second World War at the most difficult time) they put something about 100 thousand of their unpretentious and hardy horses into our army .. not to mention the fact that they helped to fight back from the impudent Kwantung army .. Such friends should be appreciated!
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 10 January 2014 17: 04
      +11
      probably you are the only one who remembered this, thank you. I lived for a long time in those places, cool people.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 10 January 2014 17: 41
        +14
        Quote: dark_65
        You are the only one who remembered it, thanks.

        A watchman at a technical school (1972) about the battle of Moscow in 1941. “Mongolian horsemen on small horses, who knocked out the Nazis in a saber strike, helped out. Then we watched the training of the horsemen in the saber cabin of captured fascists. .. ". For what he bought, for what he sold. I heard with my own ears, the grandfather presented a letter of gratitude from the Supreme Commander ... The meeting was in the assembly hall of the UET. I heard from my father about help from Choibalsan. Mother confirmed (since October 1941 she served near Chita - Trans-Baikal Front) that the Mongols drove horses to our side in herds.
        I respect the real ALLIES!
    2. Sirius-2
      Sirius-2 10 January 2014 20: 15
      +10
      They gave not only horses, but also food, mainly meat (!), And wool for overcoats. And a lot of the few people. And they started to help before any Lend-Lease, and longer than all. In general, the point of Genghis Khan’s jasa about mutual assistance to a comrade in battle is still observed by the Mongols.
      PS Here above, it was not good sarcastically joked comparing the Mongol army and the armies of the Baltic republics. Although the technique is not the most modern, but if the fighting spirit of the soldiers is at its height, it is still unknown who will win. I am sure: bordering Mongolia with the Baltic states, in case of war, the Mongols alone will roll out all these republics into a thin pancake.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 10 January 2014 22: 23
        +3
        I have long been looking for someone who said - "The fighting spirit to the technical equipment is treated as 3 to the 1st".
  15. Vadim12
    Vadim12 10 January 2014 16: 06
    +5
    If Mongolia stands between us and China with a shield, this shield must be made very durable. drinks
  16. makarov
    makarov 10 January 2014 16: 28
    +3
    Only here is the position of Mongolia itself (?) Unknown, literally 3 years ago, the Mongols were very unfriendly towards the Russian Federation. Perhaps now something in the brain has turned upside down.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 January 2014 17: 57
      +9
      Quote: makarov
      Only here is the position of Mongolia itself (?) Unknown, literally 3 years ago, the Mongols were very unfriendly towards the Russian Federation. Perhaps now something in the brain has turned upside down.

      I studied with the Mongols and I can tell about their perception.
      China is an enemy and the Chinese are subject to destruction, mutual hostility as the Azerbaijani-Armenian is even a bit more.
      Russia has a positive attitude, there is no negative.
      But the direction of society is pro-Western-Asian (South Korea and Japan) Russians are poorly affected, but English is much better.
      In a word, these Russia will not be thrown.
  17. Odysseus
    Odysseus 10 January 2014 16: 37
    +4
    1001 The Khramchinin scare by China. And as ridiculous as the rest of 1000.
    The PRC does not attack Mongolia since expansion in the North direction does not strategically promise them special benefits, but it provides an excellent opportunity for the United States and its satellites for economic sanctions or even a sea blockade, which is much more important for the PRC than the fact of owning Mongolia.
    Russia, in general, has nothing to do with it. We can’t protect Mongolia in any way even if the PRC suddenly decides to attack it. On land it’s impossible to fight the PLA, and starting a nuclear war over Mongolia is crazy.
    Another thing is that Mongolia is our old friend and the expansion of economic and military ties (including the supply of weapons) is certainly an important and useful thing.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 January 2014 17: 11
      +3
      Stalin managed to protect them from the Japanese in much worse conditions. request
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 10 January 2014 18: 29
        +1
        Quote: nikcris
        Stalin managed to protect them from the Japanese in much worse conditions.

        Are you kidding me?
        Compare the balance of power between the Red Army and the Japanese forces and the balance of power between the PLA and the army of the Russian Federation.
        In the late 30s, the conditions were incomparably more favorable.
        We ourselves can protect ourselves against the PLA only with the help of nuclear weapons, and you are talking about Mongolia ...
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 10 January 2014 21: 05
          +3
          1 About Yapov. After all, you know who commanded the Red Army formations? And aware that the losses were not in our favor? And we only restored the flimsy status quo. The Yupps were not up to the Gobi Desert - they were chopped with our other Corifan - Chiang Kai-shek laughing
          2 After all, you know that with tightly frostbitten Mao, we chopped a little in the sixties? When was Mao half of China preparing to put Trotsky in the cause? He put a couple of thousand and washed. Just don’t tell us that in these conflicts we exceeded China by an order of magnitude. They even stole the T-62 from us. hi
          What has changed since then?

          Hence IMHO - let's kick the adversaries again. At the same time we will return Tarabarov back repeat

          I jerk, do not be offended love
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 10 January 2014 21: 49
            +1
            Quote: nikcris
            What has changed since then?

            Everything has changed. There is no more USSR, no more Soviet army. The Russian army became ten times weaker than the Soviet army in the 69th, and the Chinese army became ten times stronger. Despite the fact that in the 69th, the Chinese army was assessed as a serious opponent, and after Daman a huge group of troops was deployed in the Far East (several times stronger than the entire current army of the Russian Federation).
            And you are aware that, for example, in the whole Trans-Baikal Territory, we now have 1 motorized rifle brigade with 42 old tanks.
            So the idea of ​​defending Mongolia (which no one is thinking of attacking) looks a little frivolous ....
            Quote: nikcris
            When was Mao half of China preparing to put Trotsky in the cause?

            This is irrelevant, but in general, Mao’s ideological platform is very different from Trotsky’s platform. Even the Stalinists are even closer to the Trotskyists than the Maoists. Much of Trotskyism (but not all) was in the ideology of the late USSR (starting with Khrushchev) but not Mao at all.
            PS It is wonderful that you respect Mongolia and remember the contribution of socialist Mongolia to the victory in the Second World War. I completely agree with you here.
            But let's not let emotions tear us away from reality.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 11 January 2014 00: 04
              +5
              Quote: Odyssey
              in the whole Trans-Baikal Territory we now have an 1 motorized rifle brigade with 42 old tanks.

              There is such a letter, Odysseus ... eheh ...
              At least someone else is talking about this, otherwise I, as a lonely idol, keep on the forum ... plus.
              Just do not forget about the tank and motorized rifle brigades at Ulan-Ude.
              Total 3 brigades ... i.e. three reinforced regiments ... one mat, if you recall how it was:

              FORWARD (Zabfish Вto twitch Оnaughty):
              THREE FULL-BED ARMIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Plus 23-I Air Army.
              In SV: 29-I, 36-I (my Native) and 39-I Army ...
              39 — I stood in Mongolia, these are 2 tank and 3 motorized rifle divisions !!! plus a fuva cloud of individual regiments and brigades.
              And how did they destroy the technique of the tank division, withdrawn from Choibalsan during the collapse of the USSR?
              Mat one and tears in memory ..............................................

              Mongolia is our BROTHER. And they NEVER betrayed us. I know what I'm saying.


              For a smile I’ll make my own old repost:

              ... The story of how the tank was drunk in the 39 Army heard in several versions. The first time I listened to this bike in a tavern at the Chita train station (the train waited, went on vacation), then in Borz and Sretensk. And everything is a little different.
              Most storytellers talk about Chevy Gobbi (35). The tank regiment was cheerful there ...
              Others speak of a TD from Choibolsan, which was later withdrawn by Bezrechnaya.

              ... One day, when vodka and alcohol were destroyed and the body still demanded, the fuel oil brought the tank out (it seemed from the collection area) and rushed to the locals for a swill.
              Military organisms were already hardened by the Buryat "Tarasun" and were not at all afraid of the Mongolian "Archs" (tankers should not be afraid).
              But the local Arat (shepherd), became stubborn to sell Russian swill without Tugriks and offered an exchange: moonshine for ... a tank.
              The people screamed with joy, grabbed swipes and washed off to continue to thump.
              Arat walked around the tank, examined, thought and ... wisely tied it by a rope to the fence of the pen with the sheep.
              The peasants found themselves in the morning, there is no tank. Nobody remembers anything. The sergeant on duty clarified situevina ...
              We rushed to look for a car. They found tea, not a needle, and not far they cursed.
              They started a tank and ... and left with the attached corral fence ...

              ..................................

              Good luck, Mongolia !!!
              I hope we will always be TOGETHER, it does not matter, in one country or in different countries. The border does not matter ...
              drinks
              1. alone
                alone 11 January 2014 00: 18
                +2
                At least someone else is talking about this, otherwise I, as a lonely idol, keep on the forum ... plus.


                Well, Alexey, I also know that there are not enough forces against China. But as soon as we put in a word about it, they immediately begin to say that, “You can see from Baku how much power we have on the border of China)))
              2. Alex 241
                Alex 241 11 January 2014 00: 21
                +3
                Hi, thank you, laughed at night looking at how the plane was sold to a Kazakh for 200 rubles, I told you laughing good
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 11 January 2014 00: 40
                  +5
                  Quote: lonely
                  Here you can see from Baku how much strength we have in the border of China)))

                  laughing
                  Greetings Khayyam. Do not pay attention to such comments.

                  Quote: Alex 241
                  laughed at night watching how the plane was sold to a Kazakh for 200 rubles, I told you

                  Hi Sanya.
                  Yes, I remember your story ...
                  laughing good

                  And for the Russian-Mongolian Friendship, I would gladly drink the Buryat "Tarasun" (moonshine made of milk), and bite into the Abalden Buryat "Buses" (poses) ... Yes, stroganins from the liver ...
                  And in the morning I would drink the purest mineral water "Cook" ...
                  EC, BEAUTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  drinks
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 11 January 2014 00: 43
                    +3
                    Already drooling ... Class!
                  2. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 11 January 2014 00: 43
                    +2
                    Leshka, why did you tear the whole soul, tomorrow my wife will have to deal with manti, and I’m not going to plov laughinghi Denis
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 11 January 2014 00: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Already drooling ...

                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Tomorrow's wife will have to do manty, but I’m not sure

                      Sanya, Denis - Buzy is generally an A-a-abalden thing.
                      They first bite and drink juice from them, and then rides like manti.
                      In general - and soup and the second in one bottle.

                      If you see normal Buryat cuisine somewhere, try it, DO NOT REGRET.

                      I cook sometimes ... I have such a hobby.
                      repeat
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 January 2014 00: 50
                        +2
                        Lesh, in Ulan-Uda, ate, after such a snack, vodka does not take laughing
                      2. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 11 January 2014 00: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        in Ulan-Uda, ate, after such a snack, vodka does not take

                        good
                        To the point, Sanya!
                      3. studentmati
                        studentmati 11 January 2014 00: 53
                        +4
                        Happy !!! drinks And today I am under the sausages ... sad Hello! hi
                      4. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 January 2014 00: 55
                        +2
                        Sanya hi, by the way sausages, the most democratic and exquisite snack, if also with a pickled cabbage, mmm idiot's dream!
                      5. smersh70
                        smersh70 11 January 2014 00: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        if also with a pickled cabbage, mmm idiot's dream!

                        that's enough .... it's time to run to the kitchen .. drinks laughing
                        By the way, I forgot ... and where the pictures are white ..... worthless without it ... drinks .
                      6. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 03
                        +2
                        It'll do? drinks laughing
                      7. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv 11 January 2014 01: 07
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        It'll do?

                        good
                        drinks
                      8. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 08
                        +2
                        There is of course an exclusive offer, as they say two in one laughing
                      9. smersh70
                        smersh70 11 January 2014 01: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        as they say two in one

                        good laughing Well this is another matter !!!!!!!
                      10. studentmati
                        studentmati 11 January 2014 01: 12
                        +1
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        There is of course an exclusive offer, as they say two in one laughing


                        This is cool of course !!! But more often you have to do it than simpler. Like ...
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                  3. smersh70
                    smersh70 11 January 2014 01: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    It'll do?

                    SUPER!!!!!! drinksand then you slowly begin to sing Soviet songs !!!!!! the truth is that it’s better to put a classic bottle on the bottom))) otherwise you don’t know what they poured there) but what kind of brand of vodka is it .... I really took nostalgia))) and army years .....
                  4. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 10
                    +2
                    Kalashnikov tasted it, and I can authoritatively say, an excellent product, like everything that goes under this brand!
            2. studentmati
              studentmati 11 January 2014 01: 02
              +2
              Quote: Alex 241
              Sanya hi, by the way sausages, the most democratic and exquisite snack, if also with a pickled cabbage, mmm idiot's dream!


              Hi Sash. And under the "red" fish in tomato sauce, too, democratic!

              Quote: Den 11
              Hi Sasha! How are you?


              Hi Denis, all the way, thanks!
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            4. smersh70
              smersh70 11 January 2014 01: 05
              +1
              Quote: studentmati
              And under the "red" fish in tomato sauce, too, democratic!

              ..but cheap)))) especially recently because of its quality .... just the horror that they release .. I tried all the Russian and Baltic .. well, they have NO taste of the Soviet. production ... request ..
            5. Alex 241
              Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 07
              +1
              Buy Bering production and you will be happy!
            6. studentmati
              studentmati 11 January 2014 01: 08
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              Well, they have NO taste of the Soviet. production ... ..


              Or maybe we have become different? With the "Union" and the sun was shining brighter, and the summer was hotter and the winters colder, and the New Year is more fun?
            7. smersh70
              smersh70 11 January 2014 01: 13
              +2
              Quote: studentmati
              With the "Union" and the sun shone brighter, and the summer was hotter and the winters colder,

              it's all the same))))))
              Quote: studentmati
              Is the New Year more fun?
              but this, yes, I agree))))
              or maybe still there is no control over the manufacturers-scammers ..... request
            8. Alex 241
              Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 16
              +3
              Brothers, maybe we were just younger? And it seemed that we would both master the moon and fly to Mars.
            9. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 11 January 2014 01: 22
              +2
              Quote: Alex 241
              Brothers, maybe we were just younger? And it seemed that we would both master the moon and fly to Mars.

              Sanya, probably just the air was SOVIET.
              It was somehow easier for them to breathe ...

              By the way, our tank "glasses" were rammed under the vodka.
              Disassemble.
              wink

              Turning off, we have almost half past three almost.
              drinks
            10. Alex 241
              Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 23
              +1
              Oh trays! Good night Lesh, see you
        2. studentmati
          studentmati 11 January 2014 01: 16
          +1
          Quote: smersh70
          or maybe still there is no control over the manufacturers-scammers .....


          The very concept of "control" has completely lost its meaning for 20 years. And in all absolutely industries.
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  18. Day 11
    Day 11 11 January 2014 00: 59
    +2
    Hi Sasha! hi How are you?
  19. Alex 241
    Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 00
    +3
    A platoon on the right bank, alive healthy for evil to the enemy
  20. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 11 January 2014 01: 02
    +5
    Quote: studentmati
    And today I am under the sausages ... Hello everyone!

    Hi Sasha.
    drinks

    And I pierce sausages spaghetti and cook.
    Children like ...
    wink

    I even took the conversation away from the topic ...
    laughing
  21. Alex 241
    Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 05
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    And I pierce sausages spaghetti and cook.
    Children like ...
    Lesh, it is necessary to have reinforced concrete nerves laughing
  22. smersh70
    smersh70 11 January 2014 01: 19
    +3
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Children like ...

    the children came running .... they liked it)))))) tomorrow they will do it)))))
    Quote: Aleks tv
    I even took the conversation away from the topic ...

    such topics should be put here ..... drinks food .. a drink ... women ... rest ..... and how we start in the morning about the war wassat
  23. Alex 241
    Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 22
    +2
    If there are such topics, the site will collapse at once from the abundance of messages laughing
  24. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 11 January 2014 01: 24
    +2
    Quote: smersh70
    the children came running .... they liked it)))))) tomorrow they will do it)))))

    Children are our EVERYTHING.
    For their sake, anything.

    Greetings, Worgun.
    drinks
  25. smersh70
    smersh70 11 January 2014 01: 27
    +1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    children are our EVERYTHING.
    For their sake, anything.

    good for sure!
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Greetings, Worgun.

    Good night !!!!! Well, you cheered up))) laughing
  26. Alex 241
    Alex 241 11 January 2014 01: 33
    +2
    Quote: smersh70
    Good night !!!!! Well, you cheered up)))
    Leshka is a major specialist in this area, as Pushkin said in my opinion: "A constellation of maneuvers and mazurkas" laughing
  27. alexs3524
    alexs3524 11 January 2014 11: 53
    +1
    Opachki! Thank you, I’ll try it too
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  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 11 January 2014 01: 11
    +1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Just do not forget about the tank and motorized rifle brigades at Ulan-Ude.

    I do not forget, but this is the Republic of Buryatia.
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Mongolia is our BROTHER. And they NEVER betrayed us. I know what I'm saying.

    I completely agree. And it is necessary to support them. But the fact remains that we cannot fight with China without the use of nuclear weapons now. Therefore, any attempt to drag us into a conflict with the PRC cannot be regarded as a provocation.
    And so the problems of a horseradish cloud, but the war with China was not enough for us ....
    Moreover, China seriously intended to become a world power, so the vector of their interests lies in the south-south-east direction.
    Lobbyists of American interests have been scaring both us and Mongolia and Kazakhstan with the "Chinese threat" for 10 years already, and for some reason there are no "thousands of Chinese tanks"))
    PS History record drinks
  • nikcris
    nikcris 11 January 2014 03: 10
    -2
    Well, one more army is no longer needed. Do you need BL? if you can’t drink on time?
    For you, freaks, the country was ruined. You do not even want to understand, getting out of the hatch, that this is WE containing you. Pronounced plant sites.
    Tag everywhere - Puten is to blame ...
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  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 10 January 2014 23: 31
    0
    Not understood? Where did you get this?
    Soviet losses during the fighting on Lake Hassan in the 1938 year amounted to:
    irrevocable-960 people, of which: killed and died of wounds at the stages of sanitary evacuation-759, died of wounds and diseases in hospitals-100;
    missing-95; died in disasters and as a result of incidents - 6 and sanitary - 3279 people, of which: wounded, shell-shocked, burned-2752; ill-527. Also lost-3 tanks destroyed, 26 padded and 4 aircraft.
    Soviet and Mongolian losses on the Khalkhin-Gol river in 1939: irrevocable-960 people, of which: killed and died from wounds at the stages of sanitary evacuation-6472, died from wounds in hospitals-1152; died of disease-8; missing-2028; died in catastrophes and as a result of incidents-43 and sanitary-15 952 people, of which: wounded, shell-shocked, burned-15 251; ill-701. Also lost 253 tank and 207 aircraft
    Soviet losses during the battles for Daman Island 1969 year
    Killed and died of wounds-58, of which: 49 border guards, 9-TWO; wounded and shell-shocked: 94, including 61 border guards, 33-TWO
    Russia and the USSR in the Wars of the 20th Century: A Statistical Study
    http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/1939-1945/KRIWOSHEEW/poteri.txt#w10.htm-_Toc2489842

    Losses of the Japanese in the battles on Lake Hassan amounted to: according to Soviet data, about 650 killed and 2500 wounded; according to Japanese data, 500 people are killed and 900 people are wounded.
    The losses of the Japanese at Khalkhin Gol amounted to about 61 thousand people (of which about 25 thousand killed), 200 guns, 660 aircraft.
    (Military Encyclopedia. Military Publishing House. Moscow. In 8 volumes —2004 of the year ISBN 5 - 203 01875 - 8)

    According to Japanese historians, about 8629 people were killed, 9087 wounded and 2350 sick on Khalkhin Gol. According to the Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare, the remains of about 3,5 thousands of troops of the Japanese imperial Kwantung Army are considered unburied.
    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/society/20090831/183101401.html#ixzz2q1X4Oi2C

    The losses of the Japanese amounted to 162 aircraft (according to Soviet sources - 660) and 2 aerostat. During the liquidation of the encircled Japanese units it was captured: guns 155-mm - 5; 150-mm - 7; 105-mm - 12; 122-mm - 3; 75-mm - 50; 37-mm - 67; total 144 guns; easel machine guns - 115; light machine guns - 225; mortars - 36; rifles - 12 000 and about 2 million rounds of ammunition; shells of different calibres - 42 000; tanks - 8; armored vehicles - 8; tractors - 14; trucks - 68; passenger cars - 19.
    During the battles on Damansky Island, the irretrievable losses of the Chinese side are still classified information, according to various estimates, from 500 — 1000 to 1500 and even 3 thousand people. There is a memorial cemetery in Baoqing County, where the ashes of 68 Chinese soldiers who died on 2 and 15 on March 1969 are located. The information received from the Chinese defector suggests that other burials exist. Only during the battle of 2 on March 1969 of the year, the loss of the Chinese side (according to the assessment of the USSR KGB commission chaired by Colonel General N. S. Zakharov) amounted to 248 people killed, the Soviet losses were 31 border guards.
    D.S. Ryabushkin. What ended the events on Damansky Island. “Questions of History,” 2005, No. 12, pp. 168 — 170.

    That is, in all conflicts except the conflict on Hassan Island, enemy losses, even according to their own official data, at least corresponded to Soviet losses or exceeded them several times
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 January 2014 23: 52
      0
      I appreciate your ability to bluntly copy numbers from wells, but here's a question for backfilling - if Fsyo tag was great, then why did the negotiations on the "victorious" Khalkhin Gol go until 1942 and ended geographically far from favoring Mongolia. Rest already ...
      PS I wrote above - the precarious status quo.
      PS2 I hate translating letters
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 11 January 2014 00: 09
        0
        Again, I did not understand: the Khasan-Red Army, despite losses greater than that of the enemy, completed the task, the state border line was restored. The 32 I rifle division occupied Bezymyannaya’s height, and the enemy was driven back abroad. It was decided that the border was established on the basis of the 1886 Hunchun agreement of the year, since there was no later border agreement, according to which the heights of Zaozernaya and Bezymyannaya were on Soviet territory.
        Khalkhin-Gol Soviet troops inferior to the enemy in numbers (57 000 against 72 000 among the Japanese) surrounded and defeated his group, again restoring the Mongolian border, after which his Japanese ambassador Shigenori Togo, the Japanese government asked the government of the USSR to stop military operations on the Mongolian-Manchu border. Then the Japanese, even when the Germans were standing near Moscow, sat quietly like a mouse behind a broom, doing only minor dirty tricks, until August 1945, when comrade Stalin remembered everything to them: both Tsushima and Port Arthur and the occupation of the Far East during the Civil War and in including Khalkhin Gol.




        Japanese prisoners of war and Soviet trophies after fighting on the Khalkhin Gol River
        And the agreement to which you refer was concluded in May 1942, when the Japanese not only gave up the disputed territories in Mongolia, but also half of it, so that they would not enter the war. However, it did not last long before the surrender of Japan.
        And yet, if you are going to object, then argue reasonedly and present evidence, and not the principle "I am an actor in large and small theaters and I think so" ... your opinion is interesting to me in the last turn.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 11 January 2014 01: 15
          +1
          Well, what are you again for yours! It was restored in 1945. In 1942 it was moved with concessions.
          Do not read newspapers at night !!!
          And then you and Sakhalin capture the Kuril Islands in 1940.
          And here's another - I beg - no need to sit quietly like a mouse. Boring. Against Japan, the USSR, apparently out of boredom, held a group larger than Germany from England in 1943. Tie, in a word.
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 11 January 2014 03: 30
      0
      If this is for me, then I am not interested in Hassan without a source.
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      2. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 11 January 2014 04: 15
        0
        Well this is not even funny ...
        The last battles still lasted on 29 and 30 of August on a site north of the Khailastyn-Gol River. By the morning of 31 August, the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic was completely cleared of Japanese troops.

        http://militera.lib.ru/h/shihsov_av/09.html

        All the Japanese were defeated, the territory of Mongolia was cleared of them, further they considered fighting to be unpromising. Negotiations began on the demarcation of the border and in May of the 1942 of the year, when the Japanese were ready to give everything in order to avoid a war and two fronts, they ceded the disputed territories that were returned in the 1945 year. Something else is not clear. If you have a different opinion, present a map or sources stating that after the end of the fighting on the Khalkhin Gol in 1939, the Japanese retained some Mongolian territories.
        Yes, in the Far East they held a large group of troops only periodically removed from it all the most combat-ready units and transferred them to the front ...
        During the war years, the Far Eastern group not only fulfilled its main task - it covered the borders of the USSR, but also made a worthy contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany, being a significant source of replenishing the strategic reserves of the Supreme High Command Headquarters. For example, 1942 thousand draftees arrived in the Far Eastern and Transbaikal fronts only from the Moscow Military District in 125, and 1943 thousand in 175. New headquarters and units were then sent to the Soviet-German front.

        http://www.protown.ru/information/hide/5452.html

        Over the years of the war, 39 divisions, 21 brigade and 10 regiments were redeployed to the Headquarters reserve from the ground forces of this group. Their total number was about 402 thousand people, over 5 thousand guns and mortars, more than 3300 tanks
        In addition, up to 150 thousand people of marching replenishment were transferred.

        Estimated: IVI. Documents and materials, f. 244, op. 287, d. 54, l 51; d. 594, l 32.

        Therefore, by 1945, the tank units in the Far East were armed with T-26, BT-5 and BT-7 tanks, and the Air Force also used the I-16 and I-153, which for the rest of the Red Army were a clear anachronism. And as a replenishment, they took everyone who was able to hold weapons in their hands, including prisoners. Read the memoirs of Grigorenko, who at that time was just serving in the headquarters of the Far Eastern Front, it describes in detail how and from whom the front commander Apanasenko formed new divisions, and how Stavka took them and how Apanasenko cursed with Stalin because of the latest anti-tank guns, which wanted to pick up near Moscow. Moreover, after 7 of December 1941 of the year Japan had enough problems even without attacking the USSR: there was an endless war with China, and the war with the USA and England began ... So stop ceasing to be nonsense, it’s not even funny.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 11 January 2014 05: 16
          0
          I do not discuss insanity. I would give you this upper garbage from memory. That's because in the middle of the night it flew. So when according to the concepts of Stalin the lands of Mongolia were returned? If you say that at 45 - I agree
          1. Roman 1977
            Roman 1977 11 January 2014 05: 36
            +1
            Those who surrendered under the agreement on the demarcation of the border in 1942 in the 1945 year after the surrender of Japan, this is obvious.
            Moreover, there was another armed conflict between China, then still the Kuomintang and Mongolia, in which the USSR directly participated, the so-called
            In the Baytak-Bogdo mountains on the border of the MPR (Bayan-Ulgiy and Kobdan aimags) and China (Xinjiang), there were several border outposts. In early June 1947, the Chinese Dungans and Kazakhs, pushed by the Kuomintang government, invaded the territory of the MPR. On June 5, Soviet aviation launched a counterattack, and a Mongolian battalion knocked out Kazakhs from Mongolian territory and entered Xinjiang, intending to support the pro-Soviet commissar Li Zhihan in his attempt to establish his authority in the region. At the Beitashan Chinese outpost, a Mongol detachment was surrounded; part of the soldiers was captured. In the end, with the help of the regiment of the Huizu cavalry from Qinghai, General Ma Xizhen and the Kazakh Ospan-Batyr returned the outpost. The Mongols did not abandon attempts to penetrate Xinjiang, and in the second half of the year the fighting on the border continued with different intensities. In January 1948, a detachment of Chinese cavalry in the number of 700 sabers crossed the border and went to Kobdo, simultaneously ruining the Mongolian camps, but was defeated. Small border skirmishes continued until July 1948 (of all armed clashes over the entire period of the conflict, 13 took place).

            Mongolian medal "50 years of the conflict at Baitak-Bogdo"
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  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 10 January 2014 17: 48
    0
    Quote: Odyssey
    Mongolia is our old friend

    Two-thirds of the territory of the MPR is under China. T.N. "Inner Mongolia". For which the Mongols are grateful to Baron Ungern - for upholding (even involuntarily) the interests of Mongolia before a powerful neighbor. And the death of Sukhebator, something is not a very clear and intelligible story. The great commander KK Rokossovsky helped the fraternal people to finish off the "Ungern gangs".
  • SkiF_RnD
    SkiF_RnD 10 January 2014 21: 44
    +2
    Wait a minute to compare the RF Armed Forces and the PLA. The Han people do not like to fight with us. And not in vain. And millions of armies have nothing to do with it. You won’t put a million into battle at once. And how they really learned to fight is a moot point. Until today, they have not really succeeded. At least one conflict that is successful for them (not even with us, but in general), let those present here remember for the next, hmm, say ... a thousand years. commanding numerous troops is more difficult. Although this is all a theory. Nuclear weapons that is, on both sides. what
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 January 2014 22: 11
      0
      It was fortunate for them in Damansky, by the way. The tanks were shamefully bogged down in the snow, the infantry and artillery were shamefully unable to defend them. (infantry crush the Chinese infantry, and artillery destroy the T-62). What is not the flight of the MiG-25 to Japan?
      Then the truth was the myth that we destroyed the Chineses evil. Hailstones))) But the gunners, they are such gunners ... They buried the old Chinas and Damansky joined the SAM to the PRC.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 10 January 2014 22: 17
        0
        I always knew this. They are jamming us now ...
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 10 January 2014 22: 25
          0
          Brace yourself! I will give you parabellum! We will retreat, firing back into the mountains drinks bully
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 10 January 2014 22: 27
            0
            I prefer "Vector"
            1. alone
              alone 10 January 2014 23: 30
              +2
              Eh, Denis will have to cover you with a machine gun. A This is such a boring work laughing
      2. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 12 January 2014 10: 23
        0
        Lucky? In Daman? Um ... 58 of our dead, 800 Chinese are now successful? I mean, militarily. What Damansky eventually gave away is politics. How did you get it? Who would ask there. And in general it is not clear what you mean, is there that someone lived on the island? He seems to go under water during the spill, correct if anyone is in the know.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 January 2014 16: 51
    +24
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Mongolia is a reliable ally ..! (if I am not mistaken at the beginning of the Second World War at the most difficult time) they put something about 100 thousand of their unpretentious and hardy horses into our army .. not to mention the fact that they helped to fight back from the impudent Kwantung army .. Such friends should be appreciated!

    Ahead)))
    The Mongols in the Great Patriotic War UNREFERREDLY transferred to the USSR over 1 000 000 horses !!! This was done by a tiny nation with a population of just over a million people. Almost every Mongol and Mongol from a newborn to an old man has a horse. Only for this they need to bow.

    PS I am silent about lamb short fur coats, meat ...
    PS This is fraternal help. And then lendlis-lendliz.
  • kharichkov_v
    kharichkov_v 10 January 2014 17: 05
    +1
    The current geopolitical situation makes military seizure of territories unlikely. The trend is economic hegemony.

    In addition, at hand - Japan - the main historical local competitor. Across the ocean, America is the main global adversary. Next to Tibet is India, also with a history of difficult relationships. China is surrounded by powerful opponents and to go for open aggression with the absorption of a weak buffer state - this is to repeat Hitler's mistake.

    I see the only option of aggression: there is a deep economic crisis in the world and everyone does not care about everything except their problems - in China, an aggressive group comes into power and begins to settle scores with the Japanese and take back Mongolia, which was once lost.
  • Altona
    Altona 10 January 2014 17: 10
    +2
    Mongol Shuudan ... Just inspired ... smile
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 10 January 2014 20: 45
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      Mongol Shuudan ... Just inspired ...

      This is what the Soviet-Mongolian relations looked like once, how they will look NOW depends on us ...
  • UVB
    UVB 10 January 2014 17: 11
    +1
    Quote: GDP
    At one time they wanted to join the USSR, ours joked adding the word - officially, because in fact it was so part of the USSR.
    Sometimes Mongolia was even called the 16 Republic.
    De facto, it was practically so, but why didn’t it become de jure? I remember that in the days of the USSR they discussed this topic. By the way, almost the same could be said about Bulgaria.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 10 January 2014 17: 54
      +5
      Quote: UVB
      By the way, almost the same could be said about Bulgaria.

      I have already repeatedly “passed” on this resource with comments about Jewish brothers, thanks for not shooting in the back of the Red Army after September 8, 1944.
      But the Mongols passed with our soldiers through the Gobi and Khingan, smashing the Kwantung army of japas.
  • Son
    Son 10 January 2014 17: 32
    0
    Interesting, interesting ... A long time ago the media did not cover the theme of Mongolia ... Why would it ...
  • My doctor
    My doctor 10 January 2014 18: 09
    +1
    The installers have been to Mongolia many times and brought a lot of funny tales from there. I remember about one locksmith, they told me how he washed one Mongolian with washing powder in a bathhouse when her skin irritation went into scandal. So Mongolia in those days was one of the republics. A PLUS.
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 10 January 2014 19: 07
      +3
      And one of my friends in the days of the Union served there urgently. So he sold a brick heated by a gas burner to a Mongol. He carried it home as a source of heat.
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    3. novobranets
      novobranets 10 January 2014 19: 19
      +3
      My brother, in the late eighties, built a plant in Mongolia, worked there under a contract for four years. He spoke only very well about the Mongols.
  • Arhj
    Arhj 10 January 2014 18: 43
    +1
    An independent Mongolia has little chance of remaining independent from China, which considers its entire territory to be its own. Perhaps the only chance not to be absorbed by China is to be absorbed by Russia. The only difference is that in the second case this should happen peacefully, as in the time of Tyva. Russia will definitely not conquer Mongolia, since it already has certain problems with the retention of its eastern territories, in order to still hold on to strangers.
  • knn54
    knn54 10 January 2014 18: 43
    +19
    By September 1942, only 9 million horses remained in the territory controlled by the USSR, including young animals, i.e. foals, not able to work, but only capable. During the four years of the war, more than 500 thousand were delivered to the Soviet Union. thousand horses - "Mongol". Delivery was at a conditional price, mainly offsetting the Mongolian debts of the USSR. At the same time, the semi-wild, unpretentious and hardy Mongolian horses were much better suited for the extreme conditions of the Eastern Front. The General, Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Issa Pliev, who fought in horse-mechanized groups from 1941 to 1945, wrote: “... an unpretentious Mongolian horse nearby with a Soviet tank reached Berlin. "

    665 thousand tons of canned meat .800 thousand half-sunning Mongols (the population of Mongolia) came from the USA through Lend-Lease, they gave us a little less meat than one of the richest and largest countries in the world - almost 500 thousand tons of meat .. At the same time in winter In 1944, famine began in Mongolia, as in the rear areas of the warring USSR.
    In 1942–45, the Mongolian arat air squadron and the Revolutionary Mongolia tank brigade, created with the help of the MPR, fought on the Soviet-German front.
    54 thousand tons of wool came to us from the USA, 64 thousand tons from Mongolia. Every fifth Soviet overcoat in the years 1942-45 was "Mongolian."

    During the Great Patriotic War, non-warring Mongolia spent over 50% of the state budget on its armed forces. Enlarged Mongolian troops became an additional counterweight to the Japanese Kwantung army. All this made it possible for the USSR to withdraw additional forces from the Far East, several divisions, which were already noticeable in size even on the scale of the huge Soviet-German front.
    In August 1945, every (every!) Mongol male of military age took part in the war with the Japanese. Here, in terms of “mobilization tension”, Mongolia surpassed the Stalinist USSR. In percentage terms, the losses suffered by Mongolia in that August 1945 are equal to the losses of the USA in the entire Second World War.
  • Megre
    Megre 10 January 2014 18: 56
    +4
    Good news. It would be good to make the whole of Mongolia a fortified area of ​​Russia. There is a chance for some time to confront China. If we were not ruled by God, the damned oligarchs who see Russia as a cash cow, we would have long had a strong military alliance with Mongolia.
    1. alone
      alone 10 January 2014 23: 32
      +2
      But would it not be better to strengthen the Russian-Chinese border directly?
  • Boris63
    Boris63 10 January 2014 18: 58
    +8
    The Mongols must never be surrendered. They helped Ukraine, the same broker can help Mongolia. Moreover, the Mongols have never suffered from “forgetfulness”.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 19: 05
    +5
    Quote: knn54
    By September 1942, only 9 million horses remained in the territory controlled by the USSR, including young animals, i.e. foals, not able to work, but only capable. During the four years of the war, more than 500 thousand were delivered to the Soviet Union. thousand horses - "Mongol". Delivery was at a conditional price, mainly offsetting the Mongolian debts of the USSR. At the same time, the semi-wild, unpretentious and hardy Mongolian horses were much better suited for the extreme conditions of the Eastern Front. The General, Twice Hero of the Soviet Union Issa Pliev, who fought in horse-mechanized groups from 1941 to 1945, wrote: “... an unpretentious Mongolian horse nearby with a Soviet tank reached Berlin. "

    665 thousand tons of canned meat .800 thousand half-sunning Mongols (the population of Mongolia) came from the USA through Lend-Lease, they gave us a little less meat than one of the richest and largest countries in the world - almost 500 thousand tons of meat .. At the same time in winter In 1944, famine began in Mongolia, as in the rear areas of the warring USSR.
    In 1942–45, the Mongolian arat air squadron and the Revolutionary Mongolia tank brigade, created with the help of the MPR, fought on the Soviet-German front.
    54 thousand tons of wool came to us from the USA, 64 thousand tons from Mongolia. Every fifth Soviet overcoat in the years 1942-45 was "Mongolian."

    During the Great Patriotic War, non-warring Mongolia spent over 50% of the state budget on its armed forces. Enlarged Mongolian troops became an additional counterweight to the Japanese Kwantung army. All this made it possible for the USSR to withdraw additional forces from the Far East, several divisions, which were already noticeable in size even on the scale of the huge Soviet-German front.
    In August 1945, every (every!) Mongol male of military age took part in the war with the Japanese. Here, in terms of “mobilization tension”, Mongolia surpassed the Stalinist USSR. In percentage terms, the losses suffered by Mongolia in that August 1945 are equal to the losses of the USA in the entire Second World War.

    Thanks for the info ..! honestly look for where I don’t really know how ... I just read for a long time that Mongolia really helped (sincerely and free of charge) at the most difficult time for the USSR (from there the Siberian divisions shod fully dressed armed not hungry and evil) entered the battle for Moscow .. rarely write about this before, not really .. Thank them ..! Here are real friends and we don’t appreciate ..!
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 10 January 2014 19: 14
      +10
      Well done Mongols. This is called friends. As an example to others who consider themselves our "friends" when they need money or something else. And when it is profitable for them to join even in NATO, even in the EU, even in the anti-Russian coalition, forgetting about the interests of supposedly fraternal Russia. And give them money, they are friends again. Such countries should not be called fraternal, but corrupt.
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  • waisson
    waisson 10 January 2014 19: 46
    0
    what are you talking about how much we have given our land lately to my husband
  • Jager
    Jager 10 January 2014 20: 21
    +8
    If Mongolia becomes part of the Russian Federation, then I will forgive the leadership for all the current territorial "sins" in the form of leaving Cuba, surrendering the islands on the Amur to China and the devilish breakthrough of our square kilometers of the sea in Norway.
    Mongolia appeals to me. A modest and honest country. About her heard very, very rarely, unlike the rest of our neighbors.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 20: 26
    +5
    Quote: Jamal
    Well done Mongols. This is called friends. As an example to others who consider themselves our "friends" when they need money or something else. And when it is profitable for them to join even in NATO, even in the EU, even in the anti-Russian coalition, forgetting about the interests of supposedly fraternal Russia. And give them money, they are friends again. Such countries should not be called fraternal, but corrupt.

    But Mongolia wasn’t even invited to parades .. (and they have been modestly silent since the last century ....) But China hates them .. (Genghis Khan from those lands seems to be ....)
  • I think so
    I think so 10 January 2014 20: 29
    -4
    The article is clearly aimed at KINDING in readers of distrust of China, which means ORDERED. Now for pi.ndosov the union of Russia and China is death, so they finance the scribble of such statues. And they are looking for reasons to incite hostility, even delusional. nobody needs this Mongolia, and why protect it from anyone? Rave! But there is no need to introduce China as an aggressor DREAMING to seize Mongolia. If the Chinese needed Mongolia, they wouldn’t be fenced off for centuries with a WALL. But for such scribblers this is not important - the main thing is to sow a distrust of China in the minds of Russians. The Jewish way - stir up enmity and rule.
    1. SkiF_RnD
      SkiF_RnD 10 January 2014 21: 57
      +2
      They were not fenced off. It was completely (in territories larger than those currently included in the Mongolian People's Republic) as part of the Chinese Empire from 1756 to 1911. If you do not know, do not powder the brains of people. It is not clear where such commentators come from. You would ask yourself before sharing your "wisdom". The Mongolian People's Republic is indeed at the junction of the spheres of influence of the Russian Federation and the PRC. And we are completely winning this battle, including because of the mutual chauvinism of the Han and Mongols. Speak like you, and we will sleep through all the boundaries.
    2. madzalai
      madzalai 11 January 2014 15: 48
      0
      I do not agree, de jure China recognizes Mongolia, de facto the opportunity will be annexed in 24 hours. Previously, in some printed publications in China (textbooks, other literature), the territory of Mongolia (external) is included in the PRC.
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 January 2014 20: 43
    +6
    Distractedly sad ...

    It amazes me why the USSR was so lenient about Mongolia's contribution to the Victory. Well, right after the war - it’s understandable, the devastation wasn’t before that. But after!!! Squares of the Soviet - Czechoslovak - Hungarian - (and other interventionists) - Lumumbov friendship as much as you like. In Mongolia, there is a monument to our friendship. We have an abelisk on the border ... It's a shame since childhood, when I read about a million horses in a history textbook, and looking at a geography textbook, I was stunned that there were about the same number of Mongols. It didn’t fit in my head, child. But there were still millions of sheep and not only ...
    And NEVER heard the cries of Mongolian creaks about the Holodomor. Maybe the Mongols just do not have creaks? Why? Natural immunity?

    The ancestors of today's Mongols - an earthly bow.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 10 January 2014 20: 55
      +7
      The contribution of the Mongols to the victory was very significant. Let’s recall what soldiers and officers dressed in winter --- do we remember short fur coats? Did they just appear MASSIVE in the troops? And did the Hans jump in ersatz and lose their ears
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 10 January 2014 21: 24
        +6
        As a gift from the Mongolian people: Tank column "Revolutionary Mongolia" (32 T-34,21 T-70), air squadron "Mongolian Arat" (12 La-5). 500.000 horses were supplied at special state prices.
        “At first we thought that such small horses would not take away soldiers with full equipment ... Having passed the difficult military roads on Mongolian horses, we were convinced that they are strong, do not know fatigue and are unpretentious in food. In short breaks between fights, they themselves plucked grass, nibbled the bark of trees and were always ready to join the battle. "
        300 Mongols volunteers fought in the ranks of the Red Army
  • 120352
    120352 10 January 2014 21: 10
    -3
    Mongolia, before it’s too late, must be taken to Russia, otherwise the Chinese will pick them up. The population is smaller than in the Ivanovo region, let’s feed, especially since they themselves feed well. And as a strategic partner we need them! And quickly to our military schools and academies. Provide aviation necessary. First of all, the assault. And teach what and how to do. Fighters, due to the short range, also need to be given to them, not Indonesia. By religion, they are representatives of Lomaist Buddhism, that is, they are not Muslims, and therefore they will not betray and lie.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 January 2014 21: 20
      +6
      Oh, why, why, and the Mongol will feed five of himself.)))
    2. dag 05.ru
      dag 05.ru 10 January 2014 22: 52
      +7
      Quote: 120352
      By religion, they are representatives of Lomaist Buddhism, that is, they are not Muslims, and therefore they will not betray and lie.

      I wanted to put you +, but in the end you froze such a hedge that it would be if my will put 10 minuses. I am a Muslim, Dagestan, Russian and proud of it. My people did not betray anyone. And if there were cases, then isolated. By your logic, it turns out that traitors are not only Muslims, but Russians, Ukrainians, etc., i.e. all. Since there were Bandera, Vlasov, Gorbachev, etc.
      1. alone
        alone 10 January 2014 23: 36
        +6
        Quote: dag 05.ru
        . By your logic, it turns out that traitors are not only Muslims, but Russians, Ukrainians, etc., i.e. all. Since there were Bandera, Vlasov, Gorbachev, etc.


        Apparently he thinks that Bandera, Vlasov, humpbacked and EBN are also Muslims. He has already stopped paying attention to such people. Idiocy is not a disease, it cannot be treated hi
      2. nikcris
        nikcris 11 January 2014 00: 27
        +1
        Do not be offended, understand why it has become so today. I am Russian. The wife is a Tatar. Witnesses at the wedding from the wife was Tatar-Russian, from mine - Turkish-Greek. They are my friends, at the table are Georgian-Armenians, Azerbaijanis. Best friend is Ukrainian. Yes there from my parents and the Galician Pashinsky were ...
        Well, Russian-Kazakhs. But who was not there.
        The trouble is that it was in 1986 in Kazakhstani Russian Uralsk.
        PS will not happen again.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 11 January 2014 00: 31
          +3
          C'mon ??????? Well, we love Tatars so much? Beautiful, undeniably, but also bitchy. You see, Omar, how is everything twisted here?
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 11 January 2014 00: 40
            +2
            Quote: Den 11
            but also bitchy

            .so oriental same .. fight for equality with men laughing
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 11 January 2014 00: 46
              +1
              Hello, buddy again! I ran away from Yura ... !!!
          2. nikcris
            nikcris 11 January 2014 00: 58
            0
            I put those for bitchiness plus angry
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 11 January 2014 01: 04
              +1
              Come on, pretend-you know everything yourself! I have studied their people well
              1. nikcris
                nikcris 11 January 2014 01: 09
                +1
                This only concerns women)))
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 11 January 2014 01: 16
                  +1
                  Naturally, my mother-in-law is a world woman, though she still believes in the bright ideals of communism
          3. studentmati
            studentmati 11 January 2014 01: 18
            +3
            Quote: Den 11
            Beautiful, undeniably


            I agree to all 100 !!!
            1. nikcris
              nikcris 11 January 2014 01: 38
              0
              Cool - praised other women and pluses caught fellow wassat
              And from me even)))
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  • TeaOK
    TeaOK 10 January 2014 21: 18
    0
    The Russian Federation will receive a geopolitical “mat” from Beijing and will automatically lose territory east of the Urals.


    If someone who was outside the Urals understands that they won’t be able to lose this territory automatically, think how long it might take them to transfer troops from the Sino-Mongolian border to the Urals, even without collisions, given the terrain they will have to move to, it will not be very fast.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 10 January 2014 21: 34
    +3
    Well, finally we remembered them ... (and they lived so well and peacefully ..)) Again Russia will have to save .... (I’m without sarcasm) but it’s quite possible .... They cover us again and very well with East ... (and not for the money ..)
  • nikcris
    nikcris 10 January 2014 22: 21
    +4
    An amazing topic - not a word about Ukraine wassat Afiget !!! fellow drinks
  • voliador
    voliador 10 January 2014 22: 33
    +3
    I must say that there are uranium deposits in Mongolia, so it’s not only geopolitics.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 10 January 2014 22: 58
      0
      No no no!!! Recently, Kiriyenko reported to THE MOST-MOST TOP that he uploaded three times more uranium last year than the year before. sik!
      1. voliador
        voliador 10 January 2014 23: 28
        0
        And here I dug up! It is as non-renewable as oil. Only its deposits are much less. And uranium is not only energy.
        1. nikcris
          nikcris 11 January 2014 00: 51
          +1
          This is the same resource as porcini mushrooms - you need to look. Or do you think that Kimberly was such garbage that all her legs were kicking like?
          PS Now they say - the Saudis are sitting in an oil swamp. Enlighten when they began to search for the swamp and when they found it? And WHAT didn’t the camels in it have been drowning for thousands of years in it?
      2. kaktus
        kaktus 11 January 2014 06: 50
        +1
        Kiriyenko believe - wassat Now, if he digs himself ...
  • Day 11
    Day 11 11 January 2014 00: 22
    0
    And you know, men, I envy a little Turkmen friend. You can laugh, but it’s so. Kerdym-Berdy won the corruption, it’s a fact! -Who wants to become under the barrel of the KPVT? .It’s clear, it’s easier for them, they have a MONO-national republic. There are, of course, minuses (at least the same Internet)
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 11 January 2014 00: 43
      0
      Quote: Den 11
      I envy a little Turkmen friend.

      . Dan .. Remember, come to us at Kalym, no better you are to us ..... laughing I watch freedom spoiled you abroad smile I want an iron hand)))) It seems you have not been under the pressure of the state machine for a long time fellow
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 11 January 2014 00: 45
      0
      Well, the Russians were brought there beyond the bar. Are you jealous? There are still a hundred thousand left. And figurines - entry-exit is closed. Cool talking?
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 January 2014 00: 42
    +3
    A friend in the MPR served for 3 years: honest, decent people, they could share the latter. We need to support our neighbors, as they did during World War II, we must not forget friends.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 11 January 2014 02: 56
    0
    Quote: GDP
    A sensational statement was made by Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. From 2014 of the year, Mongolia may become part of the Russian Federation as an autonomous republic.

    Woke up - a year on the watch of 2014 - where are the Mongols?
    Lavrov has a complete failure in the Middle East, Shoigu has super Tsushima, Kadyrov has half of Chechnya in Syria, military depots are empty - weapons and spare parts from Ukraine are bought for crazy money, banks are closing ...
    The theme of Mongolia is simply turning the attention of the electorate - there is no need to join the failure of the Mongols, the Russian Federation, this accession will do little except for what is already there. The only benefit is to overtake the cops and officials there by the Mongol cavalry ... and secede immediately.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 11 January 2014 03: 48
      +1
      Well hde - pour it.
      Well, it’s not advisable to listen to feverish nonsense - serious feats are possible ... Cavalry, spare parts with UKROF, closed cans, it’s easier to wake up in Russia !!
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 11 January 2014 15: 29
        0
        Quote: nikcris
        easier to wake up in Russia !!

        What if one day this fails? The USSR slipped away ... and the current rule much cooler.
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  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 11 January 2014 10: 05
    +1
    An uncle in Mongolia served telling: how good the Mongols are, hardy as their horses, darkish but then they will never leave the post, let them relax quickly! And as people: well, the main thing is not mean people.
  • Tetros
    Tetros 11 January 2014 11: 36
    0
    A year ago, I came across a video where Mongolia sent humanitarian aid because, as a result of frosts, they lost a lot of cattle. In the same place, to put it mildly, he looked at the modest life of the population. Gentlemen, are you sure that this is not a suitcase without a handle? Well, you can pull 2 ​​lama almost on self-sufficiency, but in exchange, what?

    Well, the Mongols will definitely not go to China. They strongly press the Mongols in Inner Mongolia and successively destroys their way of life, culture + drives millions of Chinese to banally assimilate the local population. In general, China is very indicative of its destruction of other peoples.
  • Sephid
    Sephid 11 January 2014 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Tetros
    A year ago, I came across a video where Mongolia sent humanitarian aid because, as a result of frosts, they lost a lot of cattle. In the same place, to put it mildly, he looked at the modest life of the population. Gentlemen, are you sure that this is not a suitcase without a handle? Well, you can pull 2 ​​lama almost on self-sufficiency, but in exchange, what?

    Well, the Mongols will definitely not go to China. They strongly press the Mongols in Inner Mongolia and successively destroys their way of life, culture + drives millions of Chinese to banally assimilate the local population. In general, China is very indicative of its destruction of other peoples.

    Apparently you're talking about the Han nation, not China.
  • Tetros
    Tetros 11 January 2014 13: 10
    0
    Well, as it were, 92% + constitutes and actively continues to assimilate everyone else inside the country + they emigrate to other countries, say in Malaysia, about 25% of the total population. And from there they are actively traveling to other countries.
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 11 January 2014 14: 35
    -2
    You can, by the way, in Mongolia create a "Guantanamo" for the Wahhabi scum, the climate there is not sugar!
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  • ATATA
    ATATA 11 January 2014 15: 12
    0
    That is why relations with her are critically important for both sides, especially for the one that is weaker (that is, for Russia).

    Well, when will Khramchikhin calm down ??? !!!!!!!
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 11 January 2014 16: 58
      0
      Quote: ATATA
      Well, when will Khramchikhin calm down ??? !!!!!!!

      Never. He either has paranoia, and this is not being treated, or he is paid for it, and who will refuse the money?
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 11 January 2014 15: 47
    0
    It is necessary to annex Mongolia to Russia!

    Or - include in the customs union, CSTO and EurAsEC.
  • Tetros
    Tetros 11 January 2014 15: 48
    +1
    Oh yes, the attack on Russia by China automatically knocks into the war also NATO. For it will not be stopped with the resources of Siberia, and there will be no need to share them with China. In turn, China will not allow the fall of Russia and gain access and control over our resources from the United States and the European Union.

    And this is precisely the main plus of the multipolar world that Putin spoke about. When not one of the 2 sides of China-USA does not allow the capture of Russia. The struggle for the supply of raw materials goes peacefully, through bargaining and bribery.

    And in general regarding Siberia. Living there is very difficult and most importantly EXPENSIVE. Resources from it, one way or another, go to the world market, including China and the USA. And what's the point in capturing?

    The same is with Mongolia and Kazakhstan. Exports from Mongolia of natural resources to 85% go to China and 3% to Russia. And import, on the contrary, from Russia is the main supply of fuel and electricity. I am confident with Kazakhstan about a similar situation. Simply put, a war is corny not worth the candle.