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Britain successfully tested fighters with details printed on a 3D printer.

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For the first time, the British Air Force lifted the Tornado fighters into the air, whose design includes metal parts printed on an 3D printer, representatives of the defense company BAE Systems reported.


BAE Systems said that the company's use of 3D printing technology to design and manufacture various parts could reduce the cost of the Royal British Air Force to 1,2 million pounds sterling (2,23 million dollars) over the next four years, reports RT with reference to The Australian.

The British defense company develops and manufactures parts for four squadrons of Tornado GR4 fighter jets, including the protective coating of aircraft cockpits. The price of some parts does not exceed 100 pounds.

According to Mike Murray, director of one of the departments of BAE Systems, using an 3D printer, details of aircraft design can be created in any place with the necessary equipment.

3D printing technology is widely used in various fields of human life. So, at the end of last summer, it became known that the scientist Darryl D'Lime, with the help of an 3D printer, managed to create a bio-articulated cartilage of the knee joint from the tissues of a cow.

In the autumn of 2013, the European Space Agency announced the launch of a new project, AMAZE, which aims to print metal parts for spacecraft, aircraft engines and rockets on the 3D printer. The most ambitious goal of the project is to create a space satellite assembled entirely from printed components.

In addition, firearms are already successfully printed on 3D printers. weaponincluding illegally.
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  1. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 6 January 2014 10: 02
    -8
    some kind of iron))) in silhouette + also glued with Chinese packaging film ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 January 2014 10: 42
      +10
      In fact, a very good multi-functional fighter.
      1. Sergey Sitnikov
        Sergey Sitnikov 6 January 2014 11: 30
        +1
        http://vivovoco.rsl.ru/VV/JOURNAL/VRAN/03_10/STELLS.HTM в середине статьи наглядно показана график снижения ЭПР для основных самолетов США и Европы)))
        A tornado in a complete downright
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 6 January 2014 11: 40
          +5
          I didn't say it was stealth. This is a "classic" fighter.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 7 January 2014 22: 42
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            I didn't say it was stealth. This is a "classic" fighter.


            IDS Tornado bomber fighter and ADV Tornado interceptor.
        2. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 6 January 2014 17: 20
          0
          Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
          A tornado in a complete downright


          Like the entire MIC of Europe. They now have one hope for German tanks and French - Swedish aircraft. Everything else is only in cooperation with a third party (USA).
      2. Sergey Sitnikov
        Sergey Sitnikov 6 January 2014 11: 35
        +2
        I will also advise you to read for)))) F-22 raptor as an "interceptor" is also very reasonable reading:
        http://paralay.com/stat/Bulat_3.pdf
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 6 January 2014 15: 12
          -1
          Bulat just considers the F-22 an excellent interceptor. One thing is bad, stealth is really not really needed.
          1. Alexander Petrovich
            Alexander Petrovich 7 January 2014 16: 47
            +6
            Strange, everyone paid attention to the fighter and not to the most important thing - a 3D printer. This thing of the future, with the help of which these fighters will be stamped in the hundreds in a year, and not only fighters, this thing will be used in everything from simple household things to the most complex structures and details of any military-technical, space or architectural industry, so how she is able to create any part of any complexity with the highest accuracy, if only a drawing on the computer was available.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 7 January 2014 21: 41
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Petrovich
              and not the most important thing - a 3D printer. This thing of the future

              Are there among us durable designers, metal processing technologists?
              Personally, I SO understand - most high-temperature metal processing technologies cannot be replaced in essence.
              As for fiberglass and other artificial materials, yes, the 3D printer is an improved technology. Only now the problem is himself printer.
              Rounding off.
              Parts of tanks, aircraft, ships and weapons can in principle be "printed" on a 3D printer. As parts of auxiliary units and mechanism. But only not the barrels of guns, turbine blades and other parts exposed to strong pressure and temperature, or both, and if possible, without bread wassat
              1. family tree
                family tree 8 January 2014 01: 27
                +1
                Well, what if layer-by-layer surfacing, in fact, in argon, and then, after the printer, heat treatment of what happened?
              2. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 8 January 2014 17: 44
                0
                This thing is able to work with metal by the way, that’s the most interesting thing.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 8 January 2014 18: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Petrovich
                  This thing is able to work with metal by the way, that’s the most interesting thing.

                  Laws of physicsacting in metal processing by exposure high temperature and / or pressure NOBODY can’t cancel, since crystal structure of the material, even heavy-duty composite, require SPECIAL CONDITIONS, which cannot be created in conditions of continuous layer-by-layer application used in 3D-print technologies.
                  1. Alexander Petrovich
                    Alexander Petrovich 9 January 2014 03: 23
                    0
                    It will not be able to, but there is a technology for selective laser sintering, which is based on layer-by-layer sintering of a metal powder on a movable platform. The powder is applied to the platform using a ceramic "knife", under the action of a solid-state laser it is sintered (there is no theory of the phenomenon, the principle is similar to the principle of welding on a micron scale. The powder granule is about 16-25 microns), then the platform is lowered to the layer thickness and a new layer is applied metal powder.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 9 January 2014 14: 10
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexander Petrovich
                      The powder is applied to the platform using a ceramic "knife", under the action of a solid-state laser it is sintered (there is no theory of the phenomenon, the principle is similar to the principle of welding on a micron scale. The powder granule is about 16-25 microns), then the platform is lowered to the layer thickness and a new layer is applied metal powder.

                      Thank! Clear.
                      In 3D-print technology, emphasis is placed on the supply of material from nozzles, followed by instant hardening of the applied material ...
                      So, either a compromise or other technologies. Verified.
              3. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 8 January 2014 17: 52
                +2
                Perhaps for starters, yes, but such things do not stand still, I think in the near future, of course, trunks will not print, but certain important nodes are quite possible.
            2. mamba
              mamba 8 January 2014 09: 38
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Petrovich
              this item will be used in everything from simple household items to the most complex designs

              Three years ago, a plastic gear in the gearbox broke down at my home meat grinder. Its small teeth were "chewed" due to the second stopping of the meat grinder while the engine was running due to a small piece of bone falling under the knives. With this penny detail, I went to the workshops. There they told me that they have such gears, but they are not sold separately. That is why I have to bring a meat grinder to them, pay for some "research" and the replacement of this part itself. It will cost from 700 rubles.
              Interestingly, if at that time a company manufacturing 3D parts existed in Saratov, how much would it request for such a gear? After all, you need to pay for the work of the scanner, printer, materials, and software costs money.
              Of course, I solved the problem purely in Russian: I removed the gearbox and the native engine and put another engine with its own gearbox. I only had to redo the fixtures and power. As an electronics engineer, it cost me free.
              1. Alexander Petrovich
                Alexander Petrovich 8 January 2014 17: 48
                0
                The very work and production of the printer is cheap as far as I heard, but 3D modeling, that is, the work of the designer, would probably be worth it to you, but I don’t think it’s expensive, since you don’t need to be a specialist to simulate simple things.
      3. alone
        alone 6 January 2014 12: 23
        +11
        Quote: Wedmak
        In fact, a very good multi-functional fighter.


        Some are already accustomed to spread rot all foreign only because it is foreign)))
        1. Pirr
          Pirr 7 January 2014 19: 47
          -5
          The most interesting thing is doing this while sitting at American computers.
          And at home - one import in technology. "There is such a profession - to scour the West!"
          Quote: lonely
          Some are already accustomed to spread rot all foreign only because
      4. cayman gene
        cayman gene 6 January 2014 14: 44
        +6
        Quote: Wedmak
        In fact, a very good multi-functional fighter.

        a tornado was not bad for its time. It has not been produced for 15 years and is gradually being withdrawn from service. used primarily as a front-line bomber in Iraq and Yugoslavia. today is irrevocably outdated.
        1. Civil
          Civil 6 January 2014 17: 13
          +3
          3D printer, but what about this?
          1. family tree
            family tree 8 January 2014 01: 34
            +1
            Quote: Civil
            3D printer, but what about this?

            Fuck in the search engine, you’ll be surprised.
            https://www.google.ru/search?q=%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B6+3%D0%B
            4+%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:r
            u: official & client = firefox-a & gws_rd = cr & ei = LnLMUpqiF_GN4gSy4IGADg
      5. EvilLion
        EvilLion 6 January 2014 14: 59
        -1
        Anything, just not multifunctional, it is almost a pure bomber.
    2. il grand casino
      il grand casino 6 January 2014 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      some kind of iron))) in silhouette + also glued with Chinese packaging film ...


      Well, first of all, a very well-proven machine. Secondly, the photo shows a German Tornado, not a British one))
    3. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 6 January 2014 14: 34
      +1
      In the photo, the Tornado with German identification marks is a purely British plane :)
    4. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 6 January 2014 15: 50
      +6
      some kind of iron))) in silhouette + also ...


      This is not the case. The bottom line is the production technology of this aircraft.
      3D printing technology is increasingly used in aircraft manufacturing, which leads to cheaper and faster production, higher labor productivity.
      3D printing opens up new possibilities for production technologists and aircraft designers. That’s the main thing
      1. 1goose3
        1goose3 7 January 2014 21: 09
        +1
        3D printing opens up new possibilities for production technologists and aircraft designers. That’s the main thing

        Why only aircraft? Any complex equipment, any weapons, not to mention less complicated things, about household things.
        3D printing is the future, and the near one. And those who do not understand this may fall behind. Always lag behind.
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    6. moskal68
      moskal68 6 January 2014 17: 14
      0
      And this is not a tornado in the photo? Is he the Bundesian?
      1. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 6 January 2014 18: 07
        +5
        and he is a joint German-Anglo-Italian. there is also in service.
      2. mrFix
        mrFix 6 January 2014 19: 33
        0
        http://simpsons.fox-fan.ru/series.php?id=709 смотреть с 09:40 laughing
    7. nycsson
      nycsson 7 January 2014 10: 40
      0
      Recently I learned about these 3 printers. Yeah. Science does not stand still. It is a pity that in our country there is silence about them. Functionality is simply amazing!
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 7 January 2014 13: 39
        +3
        at such a pace it will soon be possible to print out his wife
        when you miss her on a long trip ... crying
        1. mamba
          mamba 8 January 2014 09: 49
          +1
          Quote: Aryan
          at such a pace it will soon be possible to print out his wife
          when you miss her on a long trip ...

          Will you take the printer with you? wink In the field, you will also need a generator.recourse
          Someone from the science fiction suggested another option. The wife is activated only at the command of her husband for relaxation or sex. wink There was no talk of homework and children. This allowed the lady to maintain her youth. wassat
          1. Aryan
            Aryan 8 January 2014 10: 05
            0
            Quote: mamba
            Quote: Aryan
            at such a pace it will soon be possible to print out his wife
            when you miss her on a long trip ...

            Will you take the printer with you? wink In the field, you will also need a generator.recourse
            Someone from the science fiction suggested another option. The wife is activated only at the command of her husband for relaxation or sex. wink There was no talk of homework and children. This allowed the lady to maintain her youth. wassat


            Lem had a lot of interesting things
            Only one SUM of TECHNOLOGIES what it costs
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      3. PPL
        PPL 7 January 2014 22: 13
        +1
        nycsson (1) RU Today, 10:40
        Recently I learned about these 3D printers. Yeah. Science does not stand still. It is a pity that in our country there is silence about them.

        Why is silence? Such a printer has already been presented in Zelenograd, Moscow University of Technology has its own development, I think that they are not alone.
  2. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2014 10: 03
    +4
    And still it would be interesting to look at the list of those details ...
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 6 January 2014 11: 21
      0
      Quote: svp67
      And still it would be interesting to look at the list of those details ...

      Details are essentially a handle for the cockpit, and even a cockpit cover.
      At least honestly written in this article.
      . The price of some parts does not exceed 100 pounds.
      And then in an article about a Chinese 3d printer, it was immediately written about the details of fastening jet engines made of titanium.
      Produced from Chinese noodles - will be more convincing!
      1. cayman gene
        cayman gene 6 January 2014 18: 54
        +1
        guys, pay attention to authorship. in this case, a peep-out business newspaper look. What kind of publication, can they be trusted? I do not know and do not read such newspapers. the article is interesting when written by a specialist, and illiterate zhurnalyugi will lie, they will not take expensively.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 7 January 2014 10: 46
      0
      Quote: svp67
      And still it would be interesting to look at the list of those details ...

      Details on this printer can be done whatever. They already say that this is a new revolution in mechanical engineering. You can print, for example, the engine block !!! The production of which used to take a lot of time and resources .......
      On it, not only details can be printed, but also much more, for example, medicines according to an individual prescription ......
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 7 January 2014 11: 26
        +2
        Quote: nycsson
        You can do whatever you want on this printer.


        I wish someone could spread such nonsense (I’m talking about journalists who often can’t even fix a power outlet or a water tap in their everyday life, and they just couldn’t see the tools in the pictures and use them) would print brains on them (do not lie with programming). lol
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 7 January 2014 22: 06
          0
          Quote: wanderer_032
          That would be who spreads such nonsense

          You are clearly behind the times ...... if I understand you correctly .......
  3. Guun
    Guun 6 January 2014 10: 03
    +2
    In the wake of the Chinese, the Britons are connected. Soon, the whole plane will be printed, and then it’s also assembled.
    1. SSR
      SSR 6 January 2014 11: 42
      +4
      I’m generally scared to imagine what will happen when 3D printers of a new generation appear. Clone army?
      Well, something that until recently was fantastic is already knocking on the door of our present.
      1. True
        True 7 January 2014 09: 09
        +3
        Already now it is possible to imagine how the clouds of American drones take off from aircraft carriers \ factories, right there and printed.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 7 January 2014 10: 43
          -2
          Quote: True
          Already now it is possible to imagine how the clouds of American drones take off from aircraft carriers \ factories, right there and printed.

          Well, why not. They have taken steps by leaps and bounds, unlike ours. And we are only capable of selling crude oil and gas, and round timber, etc. Oh ...... No words ......
  4. Yuri11076
    Yuri11076 6 January 2014 10: 12
    +6
    But isn’t the German Air Force fighter in the photo?
  5. suomi
    suomi 6 January 2014 10: 15
    +2
    Well yes, German. But the car is very beautiful.
  6. Wiruz
    Wiruz 6 January 2014 10: 38
    -4
    And what is the fascist cross doing there?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 January 2014 10: 42
      +4
      This is not a fascist cross.
  7. saag
    saag 6 January 2014 10: 42
    0
    interestingly, if you take a sheet of aluminum, put it under a press of 12000 tons, scan the products that have been caught, 3D-scanner and print on a 3D-printer in the same aluminum, and what happens if you get the same product in terms of characteristics?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 6 January 2014 11: 15
      +5
      What will be the same product in terms of characteristics?

      Hardly. Any metal comes out from under the press with an internal voltage, which is removed in different ways, the printer prints layer by layer, and here xs what kind of strength can be discussed, nevertheless fusion is far from crystallization of the melt.
      1. the polar
        the polar 6 January 2014 13: 55
        +5
        Quote: Wedmak
        the printer prints layer by layer, and here xs what kind of strength can be talked about, all the same, fusion is far from crystallization of the melt.


        The fact is that in 3D technology, the powder does not melt, but the powder is sintered. Naturally and strength will be appropriate. And aluminum, albeit in the form of powder or powder, also oxidizes very quickly, which in theory should also reduce the strength of powder parts.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 6 January 2014 14: 15
          +4
          The fact is that in 3D technology, the powder does not melt, but the powder is sintered.

          If I am not mistaken, there are different technologies, both melt and sintering. Printing can easily be done in a neutral environment.
          Again, who tested such parts for durability and life compared to cast / forged / milled? No one is in a hurry to share comparisons.
      2. True
        True 7 January 2014 09: 13
        +2
        And if you print disposable tomahawks directly on the ship?
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 7 January 2014 10: 48
          0
          Quote: True
          And if you print disposable tomahawks directly on the ship?

          Soon it will come to that. While it is possible to print single details.
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 8 January 2014 10: 47
          0
          This is a very distant future. It’s not enough to print, there is also an explosive, engine, electronics, software. All will not print. Again, what is the speed of this process?
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 8 January 2014 12: 14
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            This is a very distant future. It’s not enough to print, there is also an explosive, engine, electronics, software. All will not print. Again, what is the speed of this process?

            If used printer technologywhich fluidity, and, accordingly, should the material supply to the printer nozzles be durable?
            The technology of 3D-print-manufacturing of parts allows you to replace the casting of products having a complex configuration, to avoid the process of fastening small parts into one unit by gluing, welding, etc. No more.
            1. True
              True 8 January 2014 22: 47
              +1
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              If printer technology is used, then what fluidity, and therefore durability, should the material supply to the printer nozzles?
              There is a powder.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 8 January 2014 23: 58
                +3
                Quote: True
                There is a powder.

                Which printer is this? Yours?
          2. True
            True 8 January 2014 22: 53
            +1
            BB and fuel separately ...
  8. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 6 January 2014 10: 56
    +6
    Today, Russia 24 showed a film about 3D printers. A rocket engine injector (one of the most time-consuming and expensive parts), also printed, is being tested.
  9. makarov
    makarov 6 January 2014 11: 21
    +3
    Unfortunately, the name of the parts is not indicated, I will not be surprised if it turns out to be an aviation ashtray. After all, the rights of smokers at the Saxons are firmly protected laughing
  10. ZU-23
    ZU-23 6 January 2014 11: 31
    +6
    It would be better if they printed organs for a person, but on the contrary they do everything to destroy a person, and in such a way that the person himself would not be involved as a labor force. Looks like the golden billion program is still working laughing
    1. alone
      alone 6 January 2014 12: 26
      +1
      Quote: ZU-23
      It’s better if they’re busy listing organs for a person, but on the contrary, they’re doing everything to destroy a person,


      everyone is sinning in this matter. Do you think Armata and Pak Fa are needed for agricultural work? Is it also a kind of weapon for destruction. That I did not notice the weapon that gives human life))
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 6 January 2014 12: 36
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: ZU-23
        It’s better if they’re busy listing organs for a person, but on the contrary, they’re doing everything to destroy a person,


        everyone is sinning in this matter. Do you think Armata and Pak Fa are needed for agricultural work? Is it also a kind of weapon for destruction. That I did not notice the weapon that gives human life))

        In skilled hands, some male organs are also weapons))) Dudina))) And then it may well give))
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 6 January 2014 15: 54
        0
        Quote: lonely
        Do you think Armata and Pak Fa are needed for agricultural work?

        Russia makes weapons for protection and order; Yars and Armats protect us. If the Americans didn’t stall with their NATO, then we wouldn’t increase our military potential, and so they would arrange all the wars hot and cold, and we all defend ourselves and arm our allies. The fact that our weapons fell into the hands of the whole world is the problem of our collapse of the union.
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    2. Rblipetsk
      Rblipetsk 6 January 2014 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: ZU-23
      It’s better if they’re busy listing organs for a person, but on the contrary, they’re doing everything to destroy a person,

      M. Kalashnikov: "It is not weapons that kill, but politicians kill."
  11. edeligor
    edeligor 6 January 2014 14: 00
    +2
    New technology is great. Only I agree with the previous comments, what are the strength characteristics of the printed parts, a lot of questions. The new is not always better and better, maybe just DESA.
    PS And a tornado is one of the most successful European combat aircraft. On board, the photograph shows classic German camouflage, if not mistaken, marine.
    1. Shumer
      Shumer 6 January 2014 15: 41
      +2
      This is for sure, much of modern life once seemed like a pipe fantasy. Progress does not stand still, even if the first samples of 3D printing are "damp", but in the future this method may become the leader.
  12. propolsky
    propolsky 6 January 2014 15: 05
    0
    Well, the Tornado is still a fighter-bomber much more than a clean fighter, and in the photo it’s clearly not possible to twist the suspension. I saw him recently at an airport in Germany, flies, although not young. I was pleasantly surprised when I saw our MiG-15, 21st, and 23rd at the airport. They stand near the control tower like monuments! Although the stars are shaded ...
  13. Gronsky
    Gronsky 6 January 2014 16: 03
    +4
    The news is of course significant. In 20-30 years, the production of equipment will look like this - we fill the receiving funnel with granulated duralumin, steel, carbon, a little glass and rubber, a bit of powder enamel, press the "ON" button, listen to a quiet buzzing, squelching, squeaking from the outlet pipe for half an hour of a decent size, a fighter (tank, armored personnel carrier, MRAP, depending on the programmed) falls out. Everything goes to this.
    But seriously, what kind of name is this plankton-office-hamster "3D printing" on a "3D printer". Ugly belch of huckster marketers.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 7 January 2014 11: 43
      +2
      Yeah, or like in a Soviet cartoon, where a cow grazed in a garbage can, then returned home, her aunt milked it and poured the contents of the bucket into the tank of the car, happy rushed off on business. laughing

      That's the future, and then 3D printers are all in mind ...

      PS I rzhu nimagu !!!
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 7 January 2014 11: 46
        +1
        And here is the one "masterpiece"
  14. Altona
    Altona 6 January 2014 17: 53
    0
    Quote: Wiruz
    And what is the fascist cross doing there?

    ---------------------------
    A cross beam is applied to all sides of German military equipment and is not a fascist symbol ... This is an identification mark of the board belonging to the German armed forces ...
  15. Barakuda
    Barakuda 6 January 2014 18: 10
    0
    The warriors are milking the budget that's all. And where does this "Tornado" fit, even with all the bells and whistles it is inferior to the Dryers and MiGGs, both in price and in combat qualities.
  16. waisson
    waisson 6 January 2014 18: 42
    +1
    for a 3D future, but when it will appear with us when we begin to use it in the manufacture of particularly complex parts and structures, but at the same time it will bring about the closure of large factories and a reduction in the number of workers in enterprises, that is, with a small number of workers, production will be increased, but from progress you can’t escape wherever this is a fact in the yard
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 7 January 2014 11: 14
      +1
      It remains only to solve the question of where to put the workers thrown onto the street and what to do with their hungry families, otherwise you may not live to see the future.
      And the future will be in stone 3D axes.
      As grandfather Einstein used to say. laughing
  17. wanderer
    wanderer 6 January 2014 20: 57
    +2
    Why compare SU with MiGs and Tornadoes?
    These are airplanes of the 70s.
    IDS is a fighter-bomber, and an ADV-interceptor.
    And here about the crosses on the sides
  18. iConst
    iConst 6 January 2014 21: 46
    +1
    ... firearms are already successfully printed on 3D printers, including illegally.

    It was especially amusing ... laughing

    Soon they will print tanks, submarines ... and close to vigorous .... belay

    URGENTLY FOR PROTECTION! stop
  19. Power
    Power 6 January 2014 22: 12
    +1
    "Britain successfully tested fighters with 3D printed parts" - The sheep "Dolly" was at the helm during the test. wink
  20. your1970
    your1970 7 January 2014 01: 47
    +1
    houses are already pouring using this technology - only a "printer" is there a little more :) and it is not worse than brick ones and many times faster
  21. saag
    saag 7 January 2014 09: 27
    +1
    The drones on a 3D printer rivet well, right in the field :-)
  22. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 7 January 2014 09: 37
    +1
    I don’t understand something, but how is a numerically controlled machine different from a 3D printer ??? Coordinates are also set there and the entire production process takes place automatically, up to the change of the cutting elements of the machine. The only difference is most likely in size or price. But then again, as a rule, a CNC machine designed for the industry is already a specialized professional tool, and a 3D printer is rather a household item. Of course, progress does not stand still, but in my opinion the 3D printer and the CNC machine are the same thing, no one has discovered anything new.
    1. Gronsky
      Gronsky 7 January 2014 13: 08
      +1
      I admit, until recently, I also thought so. Therefore, the definition of a device like a printer cuts the ear. But recently I saw a dock. film dedicated to this infernal machine. So multi-axis CNC machining centers or CNC milling machines initially presuppose the availability of a workpiece for a part made of metal, plastic, etc. And the crap called 3D printer creates a part from nothing without removing a layer of material during processing, like the same milling. The part simply, gradually manifests itself, looms until it acquires the final shape and dimensions. Something like that.
      P.S. But the hearing still cuts, 3D printer, ugh you. So the engineers will die out soon, there will be only managers. smile
    2. mamba
      mamba 8 January 2014 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      in my opinion the 3D printer and the CNC machine are the same thing, no one has discovered anything new.

      Gronsky has already explained the difference to you. Read at least Vic:
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D-%EF%F0%E8%ED%F2%E5%F0
  23. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 7 January 2014 11: 00
    -1
    In general, 3D printers make plastic products. And they cannot make any metal ones. Only their analogs are in plastic. So the airplane parts made by the printer are most likely handles of a button or, as they said above, just an ashtray. Another sensation is ala British scientists ...
    1. mamba
      mamba 8 January 2014 10: 13
      0
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      In general, 3D printers make plastic products. And they cannot make any metal ones. Only their analogs are in plastic.

      You're not right. The manufacture of metal parts on 3D printers is carried out using the following technologies:
      - selective laser sintering;
      - electron beam melting;
      - deposition modeling.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 January 2014 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: mamba
        - selective laser sintering;
        - electron beam melting;
        - deposition modeling.

        Then it will not be a 3D printer, since print technology implies layer by layer application of the used material WITHOUT the use of lasers, welding machines.
  24. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 7 January 2014 11: 08
    +1
    Britain has successfully tested fighters with 3D-printed parts.

    Bullshit. Because there is no information what kind of metal parts.
  25. Nitarius
    Nitarius 7 January 2014 11: 19
    +1
    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    In general, 3D printers make plastic products. And they cannot make any metal ones. Only their analogs are in plastic. So the airplane parts made by the printer are most likely handles of a button or, as they said above, just an ashtray. Another sensation is ala British scientists ...

    there are metal printers! trust me!
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 7 January 2014 11: 32
      +1
      And it is called a programmable milling complex.
      And it looks something like this:



      Or so:



      Or so:

      1. i.xxx-1971
        i.xxx-1971 7 January 2014 11: 59
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        What is shown in the last picture is also available at our aviation enterprises. In my opinion there was a photo story about the Mil factory.
      2. Gronsky
        Gronsky 7 January 2014 13: 11
        0
        Look a little higher, my answer is "Boot under the carpet."
    2. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 7 January 2014 12: 03
      0
      I would like to see or read at least about the principle of their action at least. Forgive your assurances a little.
      1. Marine One
        Marine One 7 January 2014 13: 49
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        In search engines banned something in English to type three words?
        Well, for example, read - http://www.optomec.com/site/latest_news/news125. Or here http://envisiontec.com/envisiontec/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Bioplotter-Materia
        l-Overview.pdf - printer specification.
        1. mamba
          mamba 8 January 2014 10: 30
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          Quote: Marine One
          read - http://www.optomec.com/site/latest_news/news125. Or here http://envisiontec.com/envisiontec/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Bioplotter-Materia

          l-Overview.pdf - printer specification.

          The link does not work due to the alleged absence of such a page: "The page you were looking for doesn't exist".
          You can see:
          1. mamba
            mamba 8 January 2014 10: 52
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            I did not manage to insert the second link to a similar technology. Here she is:

            And here is the operation of the 3D printer for liquid metal:
  26. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 7 January 2014 12: 20
    0
    Quote: EvilLion
    stealth is really not really needed.
    Doubtful statement ... hi
  27. Gronsky
    Gronsky 7 January 2014 13: 22
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    Quote: Gronsky
    I admit, until recently, I also thought so. Therefore, the definition of a device like a printer cuts the ear. But recently I saw a dock. film dedicated to this infernal machine. So multi-axis CNC machining centers or CNC milling machines initially assume the presence of a workpiece of a part made of metal, plastic, etc. And the crap called 3D printer creates a part from nothing without removing a layer of material during processing, like the same milling. The part simply, gradually manifests itself, looms until it acquires the final shape and dimensions. That is, this very printer layer-by-layer as it prints a three-dimensional part. If, for example, we take a sculpture from plasticine, cut it with a string in a horizontal plane into many plates, and then gradually fold it, laying one plate on another. It seems that it is printed.
    That something like this.
    P.S. But the hearing still cuts, 3D printer, ugh you. So the engineers will die out soon, there will be only managers. smile
    1. PPL
      PPL 7 January 2014 22: 33
      +1
      Gronsky SU Today, 13:22
      Quote: Gronsky
      I admit I

      Why did he start quoting himself? laughing
  28. sashka
    sashka 7 January 2014 13: 48
    +1
    I think if the redhead is driven out of the skolkovo, however, and the bear at the same time, then we can also.
    So far, we can only drive and "breed" with our hands.
    1. True
      True 7 January 2014 21: 05
      +1
      Not a complete list.
  29. Chever
    Chever 7 January 2014 17: 03
    0
    3D printers have a future. And perhaps in any area of ​​production ...
  30. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 7 January 2014 18: 34
    +3
    I do not want to be misunderstood, I am not an opponent of new technologies.
    I just do not like it when they talk nonsense about 3D printing of parts for military aircraft made of refractory metals (such as titanium) and other similar heresies.
    In order to make any part from a powder composition, the laser power is clearly not enough, metal is not plastic and you simply cannot "bake" it, this is a complex and time-consuming technological process.
    Even if such a 3D printer (which can "produce" something from metal powder), then metal parts made in this way with high strength and a number of other important parameters (for materials used in mechanical engineering, including the military industry) will not have ...
    Consequently, this is either another "journalistic lie" or disinformation at the world level specially inflated by some countries that want to "seem" and not be.
    That is, wishful thinking is given out.
    1. Gronsky
      Gronsky 7 January 2014 22: 26
      0
      I completely agree with you, but a start has been made, and as you know, it is a dashing misfortune. With the current pace of technology development, it will reach metal parts quickly.
  31. de bouillon
    de bouillon 7 January 2014 20: 29
    0
    Quote: Civil
    3D printer, but what about this?


    on a stick called the vertical of power
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  33. Yarik
    Yarik 8 January 2014 13: 10
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    In addition, firearms are already successfully printed on 3D printers, including illegally.


    Well, well, weapons. A dozen shots. Hmm ... I’m better off with the usual, old-fashioned way.
  34. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 8 January 2014 16: 06
    +1
    They've printed it on a printer, now let them fly in online games (without taking off from the airfield) and report on the successful implementation of "promising technologies." How did they not come up with superglue before to connect parts laughing
  35. Lumumba
    Lumumba 8 January 2014 17: 15
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    ... but not in Russia ...


    There are in Russia. Google RGD Printbox3D. Domestic development.

    Quote: Yarik
    For a dozen shots


    The technology is new, promising, somewhat unoptimized and underdeveloped. Within 5 years, it will be finalized and optimized; fundamentally new polymers are being developed that are not inferior to titanium, steel and ceramics in properties. And then it will be no longer far from 10 shots.

    Then someone told about a meat grinder? So, a modern 3D printer would solve this problem in 2 hours 15 minutes, 2 hours of which the creative process of drawing a 3D model of gear sitting in a soft chair at the computer.
  36. Lumumba
    Lumumba 8 January 2014 17: 25
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    Quote: wanderer_032
    In order to make any part from a powder composition, the laser power is clearly not enough, metal is not plastic and you simply cannot "bake" it, this is a complex and time-consuming technological process.


    There is a "ELECTRIC DEPOSITION OF METALS FROM ORGANIC SOLVENTS". A tutorial (!) On this technology was written back in 1979 (!!). That's what it's called, you can google it and take part in knowledge. So, for more than 30 years, technologies in this direction have certainly stepped far forward, with all the ensuing consequences.

    The active substance, which is, say, a solution of titanium in a special solvent, decomposes under the influence of, say, a laser, precipitating a molecule after a metal molecule into an integral part. The principle of work may well be that way, and there’s nothing fantastic in this for a long time.
  37. Pimply
    Pimply 8 January 2014 17: 28
    0
    Many here do not understand the basic principle - the simplification of the logistics of servicing military equipment. That is, a small part can be made on site, which at times reduces transportation costs, and time for maintenance, which increases the combat readiness of troops.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 January 2014 18: 37
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      That is, a small part can be made on site, which at times reduces transportation costs, and time for maintenance, which increases the combat readiness of troops

      Do you propose to equip every connection, from the shelf and above, with a kind of mobile candle nano-factory?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 8 January 2014 22: 57
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Do you propose to equip every connection, from the shelf and above, with a kind of mobile candle nano-factory?

        I don’t offer anything yet. This technology is only developing. In the long run, yes. Do you think this is such a big problem? Which is easier - to supply powder, or to supply each time a certain conditional number of parts, not knowing which more will be needed
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 January 2014 23: 47
          +3
          Quote: Pimply
          I don’t offer anything yet. This technology is only developing. In the long run, yes.

          I so badly believe in this venture ...
          Today the BBC had a report on 3D printing technology. Further plastic toys of a complex configuration, as well as food items, there was nothing more "smelled". The RAF Tornado was also not mentioned.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 9 January 2014 02: 32
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Today the BBC had a report on 3D printing technology. Further plastic toys of a complex configuration, as well as food items, there was nothing more "smelled". The RAF Tornado was also not mentioned.

            Nevertheless, the 1911th and details for the aircraft were already printed. What year is the report? Is it a report? And do you consider journalists to be absolute experts in this field? What kind of sphere in 3D printing did the reporting cover?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 9 January 2014 14: 15
              +3
              Quote: Pimply
              What year is the report? Is it a report?

              Check - the other day, at about 14:00 p.m. Moscow time, the news went through the Air Force ....
              Quote: Pimply
              Nevertheless, the 1911th and details for the aircraft were already printed.

              And not only ... UZHO and the pistol were "imprinted", and even shot.
              In 3-D print technology, the emphasis is on material used - its ability to withstand the required loads. The saying about the uselessness of "pouring bullets from de..m" has not yet been canceled laughing
  38. crambol
    crambol 8 January 2014 22: 17
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    The laws of physics operating in metal processing technologies by exposure to high temperature and / or pressure will not be canceled by anyone, since the crystalline structure of a material, even a heavy-duty composite, require SPECIAL CONDITIONS, which cannot be created in conditions of continuous layer-by-layer application used in 3D-print technologies.

    The sentence is erroneous. Humanity (represented by specialists) has long been producing high-temperature sintering of pressed powder products! Browse through powder metallurgy textbooks. Your humble servant was engaged in these back in the sixties!
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 8 January 2014 23: 49
      +3
      Quote: crambol
      The sentence is erroneous. Humanity (represented by specialists) has long been producing high-temperature sintering of pressed powder products! Browse through powder metallurgy textbooks. Your humble servant was engaged in these back in the sixties!

      I REPEAT - high-temperature sintering of powder pressed products and 3D-print technology - songs from different operas.