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Euromaidan and the third world

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15 December 2013, 15: 56 (MSK) | Politics | PRIME
European Commissioner Füle: The EU suspends work on an association agreement with Ukraine.
MOSCOW, 15 DEC - RIA News. EU suspends work on an association agreement with Ukraine, European Commissioner Stefan Fule said on Sunday


The situation falls outside Ukraine itself. The state that was created in this form under the USSR, now torn by internal contradictions, is becoming a very unpleasant neighbor. According to many experts, the existence of "nezalezhnoy" becomes every day the crisis less and less relevant. During Euromaidan, it was eaten up by downtime and blocking the work of the 3 parliament with a billion euros. With that, Europe was asked for 60 billions - you know, this amount is lower by an order of magnitude than that which is really needed to modernize the economy. 3 billion euros for comparison - a little more than the annual budget, for example, Krasnoyarsk. European commissioners are not going to pay Ukraine for European integration. In fact, the leaders of Ukraine are put in a "stalemate" situation. They can not join the EU and can not join it. Against this background, the presence of many foreign agents of influence on the Independence itself puts the very notion of “independence” into question.

Who needs all this?


Of course, the first person is Poland. After the state of Ukraine collapses, Poland without hesitation will regain the land, which, in her opinion, has always been Polish. For example, Lviv. The second one is the European Union, whose markets have become so depleted that now even large banks lack customers. Surprising is the behavior of the citizens of Ukraine who are fooled by the "euro-propaganda". They are like small children who do not even want to hear about the poor quality of the toys that they were shown in the store. The third willing, of course, Russia, but she modestly stands aside and waits for a piece, which she relies according to all the rules of political development. The fourth willing is the United States, which will get less than the rest, however, in this field, this willing will try to play, giving loans to new growths, then to milk them.

Neoplasms


Euromaidan and the third world


For example, Ukrainian bloggers see the future of Ukraine. Currently, the donor regions are concentrated in the pro-Russian part. However, it is worth noting that in this case only the yellow part will not be asked back to Russia. In fact, the eastern and south-eastern part consists of the adherents of Russia. In some areas, according to opinion polls, only 40% consider themselves to be citizens of Russia. Really the collapse of Ukraine, in my opinionwill happen if both sides of the conflict reach this point, into three parts. Directly to Russia will be asked south-eastern and eastern Ukraine. The center headed by Kiev will decide to be independent, but under the control of Russia. As for the west of Ukraine, then perhaps the 3 script. The first is full adherence to Poland, full European integration with a fall in the standard of living, or a real annexation by its “well-wishers” in Poland.

The collapse of Ukraine - the springboard for the Third World


All this would not be so important if it were not for the population of our neighbor 45 by millions of people and for the proximity of our borders.

As soon as Ukraine collapses, Russia will have to add to itself, although according to some democratic norms, a part of Ukraine will immediately rise up as a howl of Westernizers. Russia will present an ultimatum, which it will not be able to perform due to inertia of diplomatic processes. In this case, Mr. Putin will have to play an incredibly subtle political game. And I do not really believe that this time he will be able to beat the Americans. And if we are not able to win or at least smooth out the corners of tension in this game, then the world is waiting for the Third World War. Too many interests collide at one point in the world. The 2014 year is a bomb laid back in the 91 year, since the collapse of the USSR. I really want me to be wrong. And I hope that this does not happen. I want to wish all readers happiness in the New Year and well-being to them and their families.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 16 December 2013 13: 45
    57
    Ukraine, this is the Achilles' heel for both the West and Russia !!! If the West joins Ukraine, contrary to the will of the South East, it receives a powder keg at its border so that the barrel does not catch fire and does not explode, it must be extinguished in large quantities which neither Europe nor America has money !!! It is necessary to cancel visas with Ukraine in order to at least interest people, and this is a huge flow of migration, guest workers !!! What Europe can not afford !!! It has Greece and Portugal, and the Baltic countries to the bottom of Europe are pulled and Bulgaria and Romania, including le !!! Yes, and Ukraine itself they need as a territory for the sale of their goods, and not a territory for investment or development, a dime a dozen in the west !!! And the first task of Europe will be to destroy the industrial potential, it does not need Ruslana, Mriy as a competitor of Airbus Air Transport, this is just one example, and there are a lot of them !!! So, the choice is the people of Ukraine !!! And does he need this ???
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 16 December 2013 16: 01
      56
      Quote: AVV
      Ukraine, this is the Achilles' heel for both the West and Russia !!! If the West joins Ukraine, contrary to the will of the South East, it receives a powder keg at its border so that the barrel does not catch fire and does not explode, it must be extinguished in large quantities which neither Europe nor America has money !!! It is necessary to cancel visas with Ukraine in order to at least interest people, and this is a huge flow of migration, guest workers !!! What Europe can not afford !!! It has Greece and Portugal, and the Baltic countries to the bottom of Europe are pulled and Bulgaria and Romania, including le !!! Yes, and Ukraine itself they need as a territory for the sale of their goods, and not a territory for investment or development, a dime a dozen in the west !!! And the first task of Europe will be to destroy the industrial potential, it does not need Ruslana, Mriy as a competitor of Airbus Air Transport, this is just one example, and there are a lot of them !!! So, the choice is the people of Ukraine !!! And does he need this ???

      Calm down and do not write nonsense.
      What Ukraine lacks is a decent leadership. Just decent, and not those confidants of which we have unfortunately. In general, I wonder how your VV maybe take off talking about something else. For me personally, this is incomprehensible and categorically unacceptable.
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 16 December 2013 16: 21
        28
        I agree with you, there are no reasons for inciting hysteria. About 3 really, stupid things. The whole Parliament of Ukraine does not cost so much, downtime - what downtime - office plankton in the center and deputies? It seems that for Ukraine this is the opposite, plus - there will be less cut. Winter will come, epidemics and everything will calm down. The main thing is not to escalate passion. In Moscow, they also walked, shouting - the rest of Russia did not notice this.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 16 December 2013 16: 47
          26
          Yesterday, in Sumy, a friend’s car was beaten in the market with bits, because they said so. I understand that fools are everywhere full. But to Sumy?
          1. starshina78
            starshina78 16 December 2013 19: 08
            14
            Two cars were sent from my plant near Rovny with products for Ukraine, so "MAN" goes back with a broken windshield, and "Scania" with a cut awning and broken tail lights! Even before the trip, they were warned that this could be, but they hoped that it would blow. Not carried over! They called about the incident and immediately drove back, escorted by the police.
            1. sergaivenski
              sergaivenski 16 December 2013 20: 52
              16
              Good evening, MUCH DEAR FORUM !!! While the Maidan continues to Maidan,
              UKRAINE's economy continues to stagnate, GDP growth is not observed. Mr. Yanukovych rushes between two fires: and money for the economy is very necessary, and give
              no one just wants money like that !!! Without a guarantee of return, no one wants to give money just like that !!! The question is: what good is UKRAINE from this Maidan ???
              Only harm !!! Add here the entrances of residential buildings, turned into toilets, and hordes of rats attracted by food !!! Add here the increase in crime (the whole police near the Maidan), sawn chestnuts (used by Maidan people to warm their loved ones) !!! Personally, I think: it’s time to disperse a gathering named Maidan with
              the power of water !!! And throw water on the bad heads of Maidanians from helicopters !!! Spring is just around the corner, there will be no end to flies and mosquitoes !!! And for some reason no one thinks about epidemiological diseases !!!
              1. Evgeniy-111
                Evgeniy-111 17 December 2013 14: 05
                +6
                The leadership of Ukraine does not know who to turn before, and to whom - backwards. Back to Russia - you can be left without gas, oil, sales of goods and much more. Back to Europe - it’s dangerous, it really has grown blue ...
                1. Kazakhstan
                  Kazakhstan 11 February 2014 16: 12
                  -1
                  I agree with you.
                2. Dauke
                  Dauke 1 March 2014 08: 40
                  0
                  I fully support! just like in a song, Love turned back to me ... laughing
              2. forever Young
                forever Young 21 January 2014 20: 07
                +1
                Good evening
                It is not necessary to enumerate the disadvantages that the corrupt media convey to the neighboring countries of Ukraine. People have been standing on the street for over a month for their future. The money given to Ukraine for development is quickly pushed through the well-established government channels. Not the people squander the budget. I have been living in Kiev for a long time and every day I see the country "lost" from other people's money.
                I understand one thing - that I and my children will repay these debts to the IMF and Russia.
                How would you behave if your boss would transfer his debts to you?
                Rummage on the Ukrainian forums. Read Ukrainian news from eyewitnesses. Do not rush to komenty - pour water, etc.
                If everything was so simple, they would have been dispersed a long time ago.
                The power measures of BERKUT were enough to attract international media. To many
                Ukrainian politicians have already been given a red light over the hill.
                Time will put everything in its place.
                It can't be worse.
                There is no budget. Democracy is not. Corruption is growing. What is worse?
                I’ve been paying for myself for more than ten years - a hospital, education, housing, and this is not my choice, but forced measures. Why pay taxes? Is it necessary for this?
                Politicians played big games. One would have to answer for that.
                I'm afraid this is just the beginning
          2. Kazakhstan
            Kazakhstan 11 February 2014 16: 11
            0
            I agree with you.
        2. Canep
          Canep 16 December 2013 17: 42
          11
          Quote: zart_arn
          I agree with you, there are no reasons for inciting hysteria.

          I do not like apocalyptic scenarios. Everyone also thought about Syria that it would not do without an American strike, but it did. The author does not take into account the leadership of Ukraine at all, and the VFJ still obeys and supports their Ministry of Internal Affairs and the army. I think he can restore order. He is held back only by the position of the West - it is impossible to disperse by force. I think Yanukovych deliberately pulled with this refusal, he was waiting for frosts, you can’t do much in the cold. I think he did not stop and will cope with the situation, Putin has never expressed concern about this. There is no separatism in the regions, the exception is Crimea, the leadership there is too nervous.
          1. Alex Danilov
            Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 18: 06
            +8
            God grant, God grant.
          2. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 16 December 2013 19: 49
            11
            Quote: Canep
            The author does not take into account the leadership of Ukraine,


            And in which bank, this manual, stores denyushki?

            Quote: Walker1975
            And let's paint the Russian Federation in Siberia, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Yakutia, the Caucasus, Moscow and the European part


            Paint your forehead with green paint.

            Quote: ctepx
            Using existing bilateral agreements between Ukraine and Russia, turn Ukraine into a transit duty-free pipe.

            Quote: rolik2
            Since when are there no duties between Ukraine and Russia? do not scream rubbish.

            Do you speak Russian? If so, read carefully.
            1. Canep
              Canep 16 December 2013 20: 40
              -2
              Quote: I am a Russian
              And in which bank, this manual, stores denyushki?

              And our (Russia and Kazakhstan) leadership where stores the loot? definitely not in a three-liter jar. And not in the central bank of Mozambique. This is not a determining factor.
              1. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 17 December 2013 19: 22
                +5
                Quote: Canep
                And our (Russia and Kazakhstan) leadership where stores the loot?


                You can hardly be taken seriously. Whatever "you say" your words are not the answer to the question -
                Quote: I am a Russian
                And in which bank, this manual, stores denyushki?


                Quote: Canep
                This is not a determining factor.


                And who told you that this is a determining factor?

                Quote: Setrac
                Denies are just a medium of exchange ...


                No. not ... You are not Christopher Columbus.
              2. Kazakhstan
                Kazakhstan 11 February 2014 16: 16
                -1
                I agree with you.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 16 December 2013 20: 54
              +1
              Quote: I am a Russian
              And in which bank, this manual, stores denyushki?

              Enough already about "denyuzhka in Western banks". Denyushki are only a means of exchange, real value is means of production and you cannot put them in any Western bank.
              1. Felix200970
                Felix200970 17 December 2013 01: 13
                -1
                Quote: Setrac
                Denies are just a medium of exchange, real value is a means of production and you won’t put them in any Western bank.

                IN! At least someone said something real. And the whole problem is that the Khvedorovich family is quietly taking up the working industries. Moreover, not removing the former owners, but appointing them as production managers. This is annoying to everyone. And maydanutyh let them continue shouting about gays and their Europe
          3. Kolya
            Kolya 16 December 2013 20: 21
            26
            I propose to introduce in Ukraine a direct presidential board of the Old Man! To restore order.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 16 December 2013 23: 53
              +5
              Quote: Kohl
              I propose to introduce in Ukraine a direct presidential board of the Old Man! To restore order.


              And in Russia, too. There should be only one dictatorship-dictatorship of the LAW in the country, and not cohabitation and covering thieves in the Russian Defense Ministry.
              It seems to me that the popular referendums were canceled only because of this, because to fear, Father will give them an enema, will not seem enough.
              This is Nedimon with an iPhone, for Mozhai with a saw, or in a mine with a Kyle, let him inject.
            2. Felix200970
              Felix200970 17 December 2013 01: 15
              +3
              Quote: Kohl
              I propose to introduce in Ukraine a direct presidential board of the Old Man! To restore order.

              And what? The Grand Duchy of Lithuania already owned 2/3 of the modern territory of Ukraine. Could repeat
            3. Loreen
              Loreen 14 February 2014 14: 17
              -1
              I think this is the most correct in this situation. Loafers, loafers, democrats are bad.
          4. optimist
            optimist 16 December 2013 21: 46
            +9
            Quote: Canep
            Everyone also thought about Syria that it would not do without an American strike, but it did.

            Your words, as they say, yes God in the ears. In Syria, everything is far from over. There is a civil war for the third year already, people are dying, the country is dying and there is no end in sight. Just after the destruction of chemical weapons, Syria will be suppressed. For only the threat of its use stopped the Jewish Masons (Assad has nothing to lose anyway). Well, as for Ukraine ... The West, BEFORE SHORTING, needs World War III to write off debts and "distribute the cards" again. It didn't work out at BV (the Arabs are too stupid and disorganized), so they decided to knock the Slavs against each other. May God grant that this Maidan peacefully dispersed. Although, now it's unlikely: too much effort and dough was invested there. Almost 3 years ago, on the Maidan, they also achieved what they wanted: brought the "orange" to power. And this time, most likely, they will achieve ...
          5. Felix200970
            Felix200970 17 December 2013 01: 07
            +1
            Quote: Canep
            I think he can restore order.

            Just wondering how. The leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs showed a complete inability to resolve such issues. So many personnel have been caught up that three areas can be cleaned. (The funny thing is that the units are driven from the Crimea, and conscripts come from the western regions). The army will not participate in this fun, as usual. Closed in their garrisons and try to prevent the capture of weapons
        3. Walker1975
          Walker1975 16 December 2013 17: 54
          -46 qualifying.
          Another hysterical author ... the price of his article is less than a penny. You correctly noticed about 3 billion.
          Regarding the painting of Ukraine on colored shreds, complete nonsense. And let's paint the Russian Federation in Siberia, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Yakutia, the Caucasus, Moscow and the European part - the picture will also be nice
          1. dddym
            16 December 2013 18: 22
            22
            it's not me who drew the map, but Ukrainian bloggers. Separate hysteria from thoughts on the topic!
          2. bubla5
            bubla5 16 December 2013 19: 18
            +3
            So long painted, and we like
            1. Kolya
              Kolya 16 December 2013 20: 24
              10
              And I don’t like how the map is drawn! Lviv and Galicia should be blue, and everything else is our color!
              1. Vasek
                Vasek 16 December 2013 23: 41
                +7
                Lviv and Galicia should be blue, and everything else is our color!
                And they are already blue (or rainbow wassat ) since the nickname after the "photo session" was appointed as a leader, they kissed Saak-Schwule and other German gay ministers.
            2. Basarev
              Basarev 16 December 2013 21: 35
              +7
              I personally don’t like it. I don’t like it when a fraternal country is torn apart
              1. Ulus5
                Ulus5 17 December 2013 21: 54
                -1
                Quote: Basarev
                the fraternal country is torn apart

                And why the hell is the country of malorosia?
          3. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 16 December 2013 22: 04
            +8
            Yugoslavs also thought so about nonsense and dismemberment. There is a difference at one time and a lot of blood, but the Russian Federation did not allow drawing maps with the Caucasus separately. While the Zapadents did their best.
          4. acute
            acute 17 December 2013 11: 40
            +2
            As for the war, I agree, well, there are no such fools in the West. In this regard, China acts very correctly. They have penetrated into all world economies with a silent glanders, they do not need any wars. By 2030 they settle to the Urals
            1. loisop
              loisop 28 December 2013 21: 21
              +1
              No need to hysteria! What prevented them from settling over the past five thousand years of their Chinese history? We would like - would have settled for a long time .. They would have mastered their territory. The bulk of the population is spread out in the east and southeast. Some provinces are lured by acidic lifting and built infrastructure. In its, note, Chinese territory. And it doesn’t hurt.
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        4. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 16 December 2013 18: 37
          11
          And what is the other way for Ukraine? The tear continues for more than 20 years.
          The western part of the state gravitates to the European Union, eastern to Russia. Eastern industrial part donors, western subsidized. Most of the eastern part is Russian-Ukrainian, the western part is Ukrainian-Polish-Hungarian. During the Second World War - a military confrontation. And no points of reconciliation.
          How to combine the irreconcilable, if, under weak power, in almost a quarter century of independence, peace and quiet life have not been achieved between large parts of the people of one state?
        5. domokl
          domokl 16 December 2013 19: 20
          10
          Quote: zart_arn
          - what are the downtime, - office plankton in the center and deputies?

          In fact, I agree with you, but in form ... Ukraine really lost this money. And not only from the downtime of enterprises, but also from changes in contracts with Russia, including.
          And according to the article ... there is a horror story for the faint-thinking ... There is really a ball of interests. There is also a desire to seize one’s own ... but there is no desire to get a rocket with a nuclear charge. And it doesn’t matter on whose territory it lands ... Russia, the EU or Ukraine ...
          Ukraine will eat all that is left for some couple of months and will fall apart peacefully
        6. Kazakhstan
          Kazakhstan 11 February 2014 16: 11
          0
          I agree with you.
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      3. CTEPX
        CTEPX 16 December 2013 16: 31
        17
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Ukraine is not enough, then this is a decent leadership.

        But nobody asks Ukraine. European integrators too. The hoteliers of the EU and Ukraine are understandable, quickly banging the agreement, using the existing bilateral agreements between Ukraine and Russia, to turn Ukraine into a transit duty-free pipe. Such a scheme allowed to ruin both Russia and Ukraine, for their own money. Putin broke this little scheme)).
        But the real customers of the situation are the Anglo-Saxons. A (further repetition of the post STEPX from 9 December 2013 12: 00) "They need urgent debt cancellation. To do this, they need a world war -" everyone who wants "against Russia. It is impossible to educate Hitler from the caliphate, from the Poles - there is little time. Ukraine is suitable as a battlefield. The probability of Russia being drawn into the conflict is 100% ...
        While Russia is floundering at its borders, you can play the Syrian and Japanese-Chinese cards again. In principle, apart from the war, they have no other choice)) ".
        The real struggle is for or against the implementation of such a scenario.
        1. Babon
          Babon 16 December 2013 16: 47
          18
          You are right, it is not written on the site here, but you have already caught the Poles who sold us Latin American agricultural products, and the Norwegians and Finns caught the resale of goods, they blocked the feeder for everyone, now they do not mind making a transit state through Ukraine. And all this will go to undermine both economies, only sellers will be in chocolate.
        2. rolik2
          rolik2 16 December 2013 17: 40
          -18 qualifying.
          Quote: ctepx
          to transit duty-free pipe

          Since when are there no duties between Ukraine and Russia? do not scream rubbish.

          Quote: ctepx
          But the real customers of the situation are the Anglo-Saxons

          And I always thought that ... Masons laughing

          Quote: ctepx
          The probability of Russia's involvement in the conflict is 100%.

          Whether Russia will be drawn into the conflict depends only on Russia itself.
          1. Andrew 447
            Andrew 447 16 December 2013 18: 10
            +9
            There are no duties between the CIS countries, there is only a customs fee, if not mistaken 0,3%
            1. rolik2
              rolik2 16 December 2013 18: 25
              -20 qualifying.
              And what side is Ukraine here? What is the number of CIS countries included?
              What does this phrase mean?

              Quote: ctepx
              turn Ukraine into a transit duty-free pipe
              1. CTEPX
                CTEPX 16 December 2013 20: 04
                +9
                Quote: rolik2
                And what side is Ukraine here? What is the number of CIS countries included?

                The agreement on the free trade zone of Ukraine with the CIS countries took place after the Treaty on the free trade zone was signed on October 18, 2011. The FTZ CIS now includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Russia and Ukraine, which have ratified the treaty. In Russia, the law on ratification of this document was signed by President Putin on April 1, 2012, Ukraine ratified the treaty on August 9, 2012.
                A source: http://svobodaslova.in.ua/news/read/21446
              2. Vasek
                Vasek 16 December 2013 23: 52
                +5
                Quote: Andrey 447
                What is the number of CIS countries included?

                You’re kind of stupid, rolik. fool
                Or was sick when everyone went to school?
          2. Sergey Sitnikov
            Sergey Sitnikov 16 December 2013 20: 12
            +4
            Russia with 2 with a donkey
            1. Patriot.ru.
              Patriot.ru. 16 December 2013 20: 42
              +2
              Not a donkey but a donkey
              1. Ustian
                Ustian 16 December 2013 23: 59
                +2
                Quote: Patriot.ru.
                Not a donkey but a donkey

                Stress on Oh, like an eagle! fool
        3. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 16 December 2013 20: 37
          -2
          "War" will be terrible.
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      5. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 16 December 2013 16: 36
        +5
        What Ukraine lacks is a decent leadership


        THIS IS ALWAYS IN DEFECIETE Well, and you have absolutely seams!

        For example? who?
      6. seller trucks
        seller trucks 16 December 2013 16: 41
        10
        Who needs all this?


        Dmitry, it seems to me that those who want to profit more will, for example, Turkey will not be able to resist, especially since they have their own "fifth column" in the person of the Crimean Tatars, it has repeatedly "surfaced" in the media that there are camps on the territory of the ARC. training of militants, there was infa about warehouses with weapons, and, accordingly, financing with Turkish money through "Mezhelis". The next people who want this are Romania, there was a precedent with the seizure of the Black Sea shelf, they are unlikely to refuse from Chernivtsi, again, there is a large number of ethnic Romanians living there, so we can also speak about the "fifth" ethnic column this time. Again, the Moldovans will most likely try to resolve the issue of Transnistria, on the sly, the big players will not be up to it. Probably the best thing is to try to leave everything as it is, this is Russia's position, GDP is not yet another "hot spot" under one's nose.
        1. GDP
          GDP 16 December 2013 16: 54
          19
          You can not hear the voices of eastern Ukraine and even Crimea completely. If they are so pro-Russian then why are they silent? We would support them if they were not silent ...
          It’s clear they don’t have time to rally - they need to work, but the matter is taking too serious a turn, European integration will hit them first of all and it will be too late to change anything ....
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 16 December 2013 17: 13
            14
            Quote: GDP
            You can not hear the voices of eastern Ukraine and even Crimea completely. If they are so pro-Russian then why are they silent? We would support them if they were not silent ...


            they are not silent, no one listens to them, in Kiev there are many Crimeans in Antimaydan, actions are taking place in Simferopol, but the media prefer to keep silent about this

            Biker Surgeon on Antimaydan in Sevastopol called the Klitschko brothers sisters

            “Today I prayed that the Lord would give us strength to withstand Satanism. Sevastopol is crossing the border of the fight against global Satanism,” the Surgeon noted.

            At the same time, he expressed confidence that in due time the Nuremberg trials will take place over those "who divided the great country."


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          2. Egoza
            Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 16
            23
            Quote: GDP
            You can not hear the voices of eastern Ukraine and even Crimea completely.

            “Two Maidan - Two Ukraine”
            The main town, which was established a week ago, seems to belong to the Crimeans and Sevastopol. By the way, Sevastopol residents are the only ones who mentioned the status of a hero city on signs indicating their city. Kievans, for example, forgot about it. Crimeans differ in the presence of "man-made" agitation. One of the protesters even prepared a poster in English: “Foreigners, thank you. Foreigners, go home. ” It is hoped that numerous visiting inspectors from the European Parliament and the US Senate will hear him. The spirit of the performances from the stage is very different from the “Euromaidan”. There are calls for maintaining peace and unity of the country, data on the economic development of Ukraine, and, of course, official slogans for Europe. However, pro-European rhetoric does not find a response among the rally participants. From people completely different words sound. On unity with Russia, NATO’s non-admission, idlers on the Maidan, the threat of unemployment, resurgent fascism, etc. The symbolism that they brought with them is most vivid: the flags of Ukraine and the Ukrainian SSR, the flag of the Navy, the mentioned poster in English and the slogan drawn on the album sheet "PR voters - for the Customs Union." Having admired the "official part", we moved to the residential part of the tent camp, which is located in another zone of the park, near the Dynamo stadium. The town is under the close protection of the police, which simultaneously guards the Verkhovna Rada and the Cabinet of Ministers. There the atmosphere is already completely different. People just live, bask in heated army tents, relax in the Summer Theater. Noteworthy is cleanliness, tranquility and silence. Fountains are not pasted over with agitation, trees are not cut down, even benches stand still, cleared of snow. Here the geography is wider: Zaporozhye, Zhytomyr, Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk. Crimean Tatars from the public organization Sebat also arrived. According to them, support the President. Their flag is no different from the flag of the Mejlis, but the Sebatians were even somewhat offended by the suspicion of belonging to this illegal association.
            1. seller trucks
              seller trucks 16 December 2013 17: 25
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              and Crimean Tatars from the public organization "Sebat".


              (+) in-in, I like ofigel myself, Mejelis & Sebat

              The rally of supporters of the current government and President Viktor Yanukovych, which was held today in Kiev, was attended by over 5 thousand residents of Crimea. Among them are Crimean Tatars.
            2. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 16 December 2013 19: 54
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              By the way, Sevastopol residents are the only ones who mentioned the status of a hero city on signs indicating their city. Kievans, for example, forgot about it.


              You are mistaken ... they remember, but they will say in the hearing only when it will be possible to play on the feelings of the Slavs.
          3. dddym
            16 December 2013 18: 34
            +7
            don't be silent. http://www.facenews.ua/news/2013/181454/
            http://timeua.com/news/2/13409.html
            it's just like an example. The shares were held in Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Ternopol and other cities. The point is not that it will fall apart or not, but that if Ukraine falls apart, it will blow up very loudly and with victims. And an article about this and not about the politics of collapse.
          4. Zhorik
            Zhorik 4 February 2014 00: 00
            0
            But how to cast their vote and where if all the media are controlled by those who messed up this mess
        2. Kazakhstan
          Kazakhstan 11 February 2014 16: 25
          -1
          I agree with you.
      7. Platov
        Platov 16 December 2013 16: 46
        +3
        Perceives as the head of an independent state, elected by the majority of the population of this country.
      8. avt
        avt 16 December 2013 16: 59
        14
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        In general, I wonder how your VV maybe take off talking about something else

        laughing And with whom else should he, as the official head of state, talk like not with the same official person !? Well, it’s really difficult for him to talk heart to heart, about which he already said that there’s no one to talk to, well, there’s no Mohatma Gandhi.
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        What Ukraine lacks is a decent leadership

        Well, look and find out, but if you continue to bite your hand at the deputy secretary of state on Independence Square, then the script will definitely happen. Well, even if you don’t beat your faces stupidly, but just stand in winter in such a pose, then no EU, no loans to Russia will help. It will be easier to throw money in the trash - you can pick it up there. And then certainly it will not seem enough. But nothing good is foreseen for the campaign of events. There is no real force similar to the Bolsheviks in St. Petersburg in 1917, that would decisively, without fear for one’s own ass, turn the tide. While there is bargaining, who and for how much and where to wholesale the country with the population. With the condition of personal safety and preservation of the received.
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 16 December 2013 18: 58
          -7
          Quote: avt
          Well, it’s really difficult for him to talk heart to heart, about which he already said that there’s no one to talk to, well, there’s no Mohatma Gandhi.

          The question is, would Gandhi want to talk to him. I think still no)))))))
          1. not main
            not main 16 December 2013 22: 13
            +2
            Don't be so categorical! The fact of the matter is that Gandhi was not a "blinkered" person!
          2. xan
            xan 16 December 2013 23: 18
            +4
            Quote: Clegg
            The question is, would Gandhi want to talk to him. I think not

            Yeah, Gandhi would like to chat with Obama, Merkel, Hollande and other clowns.
            It’s not funny for yourself?
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 17 December 2013 10: 41
              0
              Quote: xan
              It’s not funny for yourself?

              I laugh at Pu when he said they say no one to talk to laughing He needs to listen less to others))) And then think of himself as a man of 3 millennia)))
              Although what to expect if people like this dude surround him

      9. Indifferent
        Indifferent 16 December 2013 17: 09
        10
        In Ukraine, they were not 20 years old and are not expected! Is it really possible to take the Klitschko brothers seriously? Or Tymoshenko? They will not be taken from the air. So everything will remain as it was!
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          1. Day 11
            Day 11 16 December 2013 18: 49
            +2
            What kind of abomination is this? Photoshop?
        2. xan
          xan 16 December 2013 23: 26
          +4
          Quote: indifferent
          In Ukraine, they were not 20 years old and are not expected! Is it really possible to take the Klitschko brothers seriously? Or Tymoshenko? They will not be taken from the air. So everything will remain as it was!

          Pro-Ukrainian politician will not help Ukraine.
          Ukrainian Putin will not help. Putin needs gas and oil, but they are not. And Stalin will not help with the closure of borders and military communism - the circle of wolves, and Ukraine’s relics are not USSR, they will be killed with isolation. Russia could help Ukraine, but after 22 years of Russophobian power, conclusions are drawn. Ukraine has no way out as an independent state, the good-for-nothing and the painful have played out. They will not come out of default on their own, they will not have cheap energy, and the Chinese will not work for a penny.
          So pro-Ukrainian Ukraine will be surrounded by pro-Russian Russia and the pro-European EU. Of course, one can hope from the old Ukrainian habit to breed loshariks in the international arena, but there are no flaws on the brain.
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          2. Tamparu
            Tamparu 17 December 2013 11: 56
            +2
            Quote: xan

            So pro-Ukrainian Ukraine will be surrounded by pro-Russian Russia and the pro-European EU. Of course, one can hope from the old Ukrainian habit to breed loshariks in the international arena, but there are no flaws on the brain.


            I agree ... but the "stalemate" is really scary ... and somehow there is no way out of this crisis. In reality, the East of Ukraine understands that it is impossible to live in such a "Ukraine", but at the same time it does not accept the values ​​of "Geyvropa". In addition, thanks to the leadership of Ukraine and Russia, who played in "buy and sell" in pursuit of their goals, they forgot about ordinary residents of Eastern and Southern Ukraine, who are now also wary of looking towards the Russian Federation. The leadership of the Russian Federation was playing too subtle and incomprehensible, but it was just necessary to use all possible ways of providing information to show people that the Russian Federation has not forgotten about the Slavs in Ukraine, it worries about them ... Damn ...
      10. ATATA
        ATATA 16 December 2013 17: 17
        +2
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        What Ukraine lacks is a decent leadership. Just decent, and not those confidants of which we have unfortunately. In general, I wonder how your VV maybe take off talking about something else. For me personally, this is incomprehensible and categorically unacceptable.

        I agree with you, but just do not forget that this is a tribal curse of Ukraine.
        There was no other way in Ukraine when !!!!!
        And apparently it will not.
        1. Jogan-xnumx
          Jogan-xnumx 17 December 2013 00: 29
          10
          Quote: ATATA
          There was no other way in Ukraine when !!!!!
          And apparently it will not.

          You seem to be right. For Ukraine has never been a full-fledged state. This is a fragment of the Empire or, if you want, a fragment of the USSR. Part of a single mechanism. A part that by itself is no good, but as part of the mechanism works flawlessly.
          The only marriage in this "detail" is Galychina. Or, rather, not a marriage, but a purulent abscess, feverish and poisoning the entire body. Wait until it passes by itself? The body can overcome an abscess if immunity is good. Does Ukraine have good immunity? Or will it be necessary to surgically dissect the abscess, clean it, flush it with blood and disinfect it? In 45, the "abscess" was not cleaned up, amnestied to celebrate the Great Victory ..., metastases ...
          No matter how you feed the wolf, he looks into the forest. Old folk wisdom. I don't think our ancestors were stupider than us. Rather, the opposite is true. It was we who "buried" what they were creating with such difficulty.
          In Ukraine, everyone is "rowing for himself", and the ball is ruled by BABLO. Only now Maidan Euro-patriots, opponents and supporters of the authorities either do not understand, or do not want to understand that they are being used by the "money bags" of domestic and foreign spill in their own interests. However, these questions are too difficult for perception for the Galychan part of the under-state of Ukraine.
          Here is the information, or rather, an analysis based on information that quite has a right to exist: http://gubarev.org/politika/pravda-o-razgone-evromajdana-prosba-rasprostranit.ht
          ml
          And I am very interested in the dilemma, why do the Galychan people, eager to march to Europe, climb to Kiev and further to the east of Ukraine? What have you forgotten in a foreign environment? Petliura and Skoropadsky, Bandera and Shukhevych east of Galychina will never be recognized as heroes, but only as collaborators and servants of the invaders! To the east of you, the heroes are those who crushed the fascist reptile in Berlin and you in your krievka. Follow the example of Kosovo, Transnistria, separate and card to your Europe yourself! The rest of the people will only cross yourselves on the path! For some reason, you rush to the East for European "values". In the 18th, with the Polish and German invaders, they shit in Kiev, which is foreign to you. In 41 they repeated the same thing with the same Germans. And now, to the tune of the Americans and Poles, you are climbing to the East, again for the sake of familiarizing yourself with Europe! Or by themselves, without the rest of Ukraine, you are not needed there, huh? To be welcomed there, do you need a sacrifice to the European womb? This is the only way ...
          I ask you to excuse me, dear forum users, for unnecessary emotions, but it has already become unbearable in this theater of absurdity ... hi
      11. agbykov
        agbykov 16 December 2013 17: 26
        +3
        What do you mean by "decent" leadership? And where do we get it from?
        1. Zhorik
          Zhorik 4 February 2014 00: 07
          0
          Now, in this situation, even though he doesn’t make these people president, he will not be happy with these people. I think that herd instinct is already working
      12. Stinger
        Stinger 16 December 2013 17: 44
        +4
        Yes. Napoleon said: In order to destroy the fatherland, even one villain is enough
      13. old rocket man
        old rocket man 16 December 2013 18: 19
        +5
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        What Ukraine lacks is a decent leadership


        I fully agree, but the trick is that in the current economic situation no government will save the Ukrainian economy.
        Only huge money invested at no cost can save her, but no one can give it or want it what
      14. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 16 December 2013 18: 34
        +4
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        Calm down and do not write nonsense.
        What Ukraine lacks is a decent leadership. Just decent, and not those confidants which we have unfortunately

        You choose them yourself .. and yet "just decent" this is not enough (at the present time) now we need strong people who can make decisions with a perspective for the future ... Now on the Maidan "decent" are waiting for their turn in an embrace with McCainey .. You have a mess in Ukraine is (after gaining independence) I would define the state of Ukraine (over the past 20 years) "Creeping Makhnovism and Bandera ..) You can't do it with independence .. (no offense)
      15. Galan
        Galan 16 December 2013 21: 07
        +2
        This guide was chosen by you, and Putin is forced to talk with those of his choosing. You can say that I did not vote for them, but the rest voted for them, including in Western Ukraine, because there was no other choice.
        In such a situation, it would be necessary to "live out" with the already chosen leadership, and then make a smarter choice, otherwise this is not a state, if for every part of the population that does not like it, they make such a "mess" and even call for help from Western politicians, who in any case will act in the interests of their states and voters. This is a kindergarten - "my dad will come and he will help yours. He is the strongest." The only wish from the Carpathian Ruthenian is to be independent and be able to answer for your mistakes and decisions without attracting outside help - this is the main sign of an independent nation. And Western Ukrainians are not a nation, they have lived too long under the leadership of other national states and they have one road to serve the Poles and other "Europeans".
      16. saber1357
        saber1357 17 December 2013 00: 03
        +1
        I apologize, the teacher's reflex: You, Vovka Levka, probably meant "thimblers" - this is very accurate for the characters under discussion ...
        1. Zhorik
          Zhorik 4 February 2014 00: 13
          0
          Personally, my opinion. I’m used to (or so brought up) to look at my income and expenses and it doesn’t matter that someone is there. And I also noticed an amazing coincidence from the circle of my acquaintances, everyone has one common character trait - pathological greed ...
      17. Corsair
        Corsair 17 December 2013 01: 51
        0
        Quote: Vovka Levka
        In general, I wonder how your VV maybe take off talking about something else. For me personally, this is incomprehensible and categorically unacceptable.

        Alas, it is necessary ... And not only the GDP, but also the Western politicians.
        And I don’t think that you personally, and those who are not indifferent to the fate of Ukraine, would like to see it in complete political isolation ...
      18. Troy
        Troy 17 December 2013 04: 43
        0
        Not decent leadership they lack, but brains.
      19. dmitrich
        dmitrich 17 December 2013 05: 47
        0
        the author, as always, got excited.
      20. protsenkoc
        protsenkoc 17 December 2013 10: 49
        0
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      21. uizik
        uizik 1 January 2014 12: 54
        0
        What naivety! Are you waiting for a good king-priest? It is interesting in the person of whom? Yatsenyuk? Klitschko? Tymoshenko? Tyagnibok disappears. The one like you, tolerant, will hang on poles. The trouble with Ukraine is that it does not have a unifying principle. There was no country as a state and it has not yet taken place. We are different in the country and there is no need to hang noodles on the ears about the unity of the people. The leadership can be replaced, the people are not! There are many more reasons that impede the country. They are known and bashfully silent! The entry into the EU will destroy the country, dissolve the people. The West is expanding its living space. He organized the klopovnik on Kiev Square.
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 16 December 2013 16: 03
      +7
      Today's "stupid" Ukrainian of Euromaidan:



      Today's type of clever euromaidan Ukrainian:



      And the result:

      1. Krasnoarmeec
        Krasnoarmeec 16 December 2013 16: 25
        26
        Ukraine, this is the Achilles' heel for both the West and Russia !!! If the West annexes Ukraine, contrary to the will of the South East, it receives a powder keg at its border so that the barrel does not catch fire and does not explode, it must be extinguished in large quantities which neither Europe nor America has any money !!!


        And who said that the West needs a calm and developing Ukraine?!?!? Just the same, they need a powder keg near Russia, which simply must explode (in any case, this will only make them happy) !!!!!!!!
        Or do you really think that someone there is worried about a bright and without a poor future for ordinary Ukrainians ??!?!?
    3. dark_65
      dark_65 16 December 2013 16: 33
      -2
      what goods .. and to whom to buy them? lands .. rich lands. and cheap slave labor. predictable because of mentality. this is not Asia-s. not savages.
      and nobody will destroy the finished production. think. dear. you would not begin to ruin the three-ruble that has fallen on you.
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 16 December 2013 18: 41
        0
        in .. went minus from preoccupied .. fuck with them. so right. not only cheers the patriots read.
      2. dark_65
        dark_65 16 December 2013 21: 50
        +1
        more ...... yes, naka..on the opinion of admins..if they made a website based on us. it means they will disappear. and they will miss the opinion
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 16 December 2013 23: 08
          0
          enough courage to justify?
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      3. dark_65
        dark_65 17 December 2013 00: 22
        0
        if you are such intellectual monsters .. can you talk?
    4. seller trucks
      seller trucks 16 December 2013 17: 30
      0
      Damn it, I just can't fail to mention Gleb Bobrov with his "The Age of the Stillborn" who have not read it.
      Here his version of Ukraine split:
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 16 December 2013 17: 37
        19
        Quote: seller trucks
        Damn it, I just can't fail to mention Gleb Bobrov with his "The Age of the Stillborn" who have not read it.
        Here his version of Ukraine split:

        Not a fig yourself, my native Russian-speaking industrial Zaporozhye give Ukraine? And Dnepropetrovsk with Odessa? belay Not correct split card ... am All and fully part of Russia + special operation of the MGB in the Western lands. laughing
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 16 December 2013 17: 48
          +4
          there is such an option:
          1. major071
            major071 16 December 2013 19: 40
            13
            I am not Ukrainian and I live in Russia, but it hurts me to see how they divide the "skin of a bear that has not yet been killed." negative
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 38
        +4
        Quote: seller trucks
        Here is his version of the split of Ukraine:

        He was mistaken a little! The Eastern Confederation, as well as the Republic of Galicia will be larger. But Central Ukraine .... with what Bogdan came to Moscow, we will stay with that.
        1. Alex Danilov
          Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 18: 22
          +7
          Pisyun west, not Ukraine. Ukraine-will be with Russia.
          1. kargrom
            kargrom 16 December 2013 23: 51
            +1
            But how else? Everyone eats bread, someone eats .., and few meet him. Like a Soviet child, there is one association with Ukraine.
      3. Walker1975
        Walker1975 16 December 2013 17: 59
        -34 qualifying.
        First, divide Russia into Chinese Siberia, the Caucasus, Yakutia, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Moscow and the rest of Russia. The contradictions are much greater. In Ukraine there are no interethnic pogroms, no, when some citizens of Russia slaughter others, and then others smash the shops of the former. There is no such thing as in the Russian Federation, when some citizens shoot and detonate some citizens of Russia, and they bomb and urinate in response.
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 16 December 2013 18: 43
          +5
          there is a lollipop lollipop sucking .. not needed? Ichkeria forgot
        2. yur
          yur 16 December 2013 20: 48
          +3
          I’m very afraid, that all this will happen in Ukraine. Only on such a scale that all the world will have to help.
        3. dark_65
          dark_65 16 December 2013 21: 45
          -1
          where are you from .. age .. size. then the debate is with you .... the mouse is you ..
        4. Ustian
          Ustian 17 December 2013 00: 11
          +2
          Quote: Walker1975
          First, divide Russia into Chinese Siberia, the Caucasus, Yakutia, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Moscow and the rest of Russia. The contradictions are much greater. In Ukraine there are no interethnic pogroms, no, when some citizens of Russia slaughter others, and then others smash the shops of the former. There is no such thing as in the Russian Federation, when some citizens shoot and detonate some citizens of Russia, and they bomb and urinate in response.

          Does your lobotomy still not heal? crying
      4. dark_65
        dark_65 16 December 2013 18: 42
        +1
        only-change the word republic to something else.
    5. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 18: 03
      +9
      They need Ukraine for their military fleet, for military bases in Ukraine, closer to the border of Russia. Blocking, throwing out the Russian Black Sea Navy, and establishing a missile defense system. First of all, for this. Well, or a full powder keg near Russia. , most likely, the author of the article is right. From here, the third can begin. God forbid, of course. In Russia, martial law must be introduced and plowed on the defense. And do not lose Ukraine.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRd1AylQpdQ
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrBgsIItP4w
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkz2Mr4cDQI
      1. kare
        kare 16 December 2013 18: 46
        +3
        And I think if you arrange the apocalypse, so arrange it first. To bend under the fagots, the prospect is even worse.
    6. major071
      major071 16 December 2013 18: 40
      13
      The entry of Ukraine into the EU, comments are unnecessary ...
    7. SHAKESPEARE
      SHAKESPEARE 21 January 2014 20: 09
      0
      I completely agree with you, but Vovka is not right.
    8. Kazakhstan
      Kazakhstan 11 February 2014 16: 12
      -1
      I agree with you.
    9. aetaranov
      aetaranov 1 March 2014 14: 02
      0
      It is clear that the EU has its own problems. But here the principle will operate: How much I can eat, and bite the rest ... - The EU does not need Ukraine, but another dirty trick towards Russia. The territory of Ukraine is also a tidbit for the creation of NATO military bases
  2. makarov
    makarov 16 December 2013 15: 59
    +7
    ".. The state that was created in this form under the USSR, now, torn apart by internal contradictions, is becoming a very unpleasant neighbor .."
    How do you want? As my "castle" said 35 years ago, it's not for you to go to the jar. In modern language: - all the neighbors are needed, all the neighbors are important ..
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 16 December 2013 16: 53
      +1
      if the neighbor is adequate .. if not..transmission from the criminal chronicle..you are all trained at the entrance. personally. but cleanliness. order. and souls in each other we don’t have tea. laughing
      1. matross
        matross 16 December 2013 17: 31
        +5
        Quote: dark_65
        I have all trained at the entrance. Personally. But cleanliness. Order.

        Do you live in slums that it is necessary and possible to educate all around?
        And on the topic: I agree with Makarov, it is necessary to respect the neighbors in the geopolitical space. Help if necessary. Moreover, Ukrainians are not even our neighbors, but the closest relatives, brothers. Well, I say, of course, in general, excluding a certain percentage of the zizzyatny zapadentsev.
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 16 December 2013 18: 33
          0
          yes no .. dear. not in a slum. but to educate and you can. and need. life taught.
          As for Makarov ... relatives give the highest percentage of criminality. Read the statistics. It's just that the feelings are sharper.
          about the percentage-95% will suit? therefore. before engaging in polemics. let's weigh the facts.
          without upbringing. from a snotty to a citizen, nothing will come of it. zapadentsy are freaking out. but if a little analytics then the east of Ukraine does not burn with love for us.
          so to me .. surrender your homeland. in exchange for kinship? took place with (unknown nation of writer Gogol)
          1. matross
            matross 17 December 2013 11: 12
            0
            Quote: dark_65
            held at (unknown nation of writer Gogol)

            ??? This is what ??? Maybe we will recall Pushkin? Like, unclean blood, son of an arap ...
            And why is your homeland with a small letter? A patriot educator .... We scribble our stream of consciousness through a dot, but we push on RUSSIAN classic writers! Does the word "nonsense" sound familiar to you?
        2. Alex Danilov
          Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 18: 47
          +4
          That is why Ukraine should be with us. With Russia, the CU.
          1. I am a Russian
            I am a Russian 16 December 2013 20: 04
            0
            Quote: Alex Danilov
            That is why Ukraine should be with us.


            yes, but not like the North Caucasus
        3. Antol
          Antol 16 December 2013 21: 26
          0
          So this percentage hurts everyone.
    2. dark_65
      dark_65 16 December 2013 17: 06
      +5
      no need to be afraid to take a civic position ... ridiculously afraid. after that. what happened to the country
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 16 December 2013 18: 38
        +1
        Quote: dark_65
        no need to be afraid to take a civic position ... ridiculously afraid. after that. what happened to the country


        +It would be nice, but everyone understands their civic position in different ways request
        1. dark_65
          dark_65 16 December 2013 18: 45
          +1
          so the life calculator will count everything for everyone .. don’t look at others .. live it yourself. as needed.
    3. uizik
      uizik 16 December 2013 20: 54
      +8
      Army General P.I. Ivashutin said that the descendants of the UPA warriors will still come out of the caches and create a problem. The war is not over. And now we really have fascism in our native country again!
  3. avia12005
    avia12005 16 December 2013 15: 59
    +2
    http://www.worldandwe.com/ru/page/Poteryavshaya_razum_Evropa_gotovitsya_k_voyne_
    s_Rossiey.htmThe same subject, some in the Czech Republic, the United States and Poland thought. Dak God to defeat sober minds, not a fool Nookland with a cookie am
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 16 December 2013 16: 00
    +3
    It’s bitter to see how this non-cousin country is torn to pieces ... Now, on the maps, albeit unofficial, this tear has appeared sad
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 16 December 2013 16: 12
      +8
      And in Russia they draw such cards and they say about the Far East ... For years, 15 has been so accurate.
      1. alone
        alone 16 December 2013 22: 25
        +3
        Nasty all this Klim! and the more I do not understand those who gloat and applaud this.
    2. dark_65
      dark_65 16 December 2013 16: 54
      0
      and when she was native? under Shevchenko? under Bogdan? there are historical facts, read
  5. lotar
    lotar 16 December 2013 16: 04
    +5
    At the moment, Ukraine is a boiler of tension, which is fed by everyone and sundry. And I think that we will see soon what will turn out at the exit. As the saying goes, the information war is in action and in strength it sometimes surpasses local conflicts, since affects the fate of the entire population of the state.
  6. shinobi
    shinobi 16 December 2013 16: 10
    15
    The beginning of World War III is certainly abruptly bent, but the Yugoslav-Transnistrian scenario is easy. This is in the event that Yanyk misses the situation. So far, in fact, this is not observed despite the friendly howl of the Western media. On the contrary. Maidan Euroagents, senators and other riffraff, the case of Maidan is not very. Maidan is exhausted.
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 16 December 2013 16: 54
      0
      and there were. and there we will visit
    2. kare
      kare 16 December 2013 19: 09
      0
      The Yugoslav scenario happened solely due to the connivance of our gays from politics, or politicians from gays. But now the alignment is different. We would have suited this option more than others. If a collapse is inevitable. Here and check for one
  7. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 16: 11
    54
    There are 350 million Slavs of us on the planet, we are one of the largest white peoples (and maybe the largest), we need to stay together, otherwise obscurantism from the east or the virus of tolerance from the west will hit us one by one and devour them without a trace. I personally want to remain Russian and not become a Russian or a European, and my children are Russian.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 16 December 2013 16: 24
      11
      from it --- CORRECTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ at the compartment we are - POWER
      1. ele1285
        ele1285 16 December 2013 16: 45
        23
        Well, I don’t want to stick with "Galicia", and now what? And the white peoples like the impudent Saxons are unpleasant to me (or rather, their top). And the Poles, with their howl that every Russian wakes up with the thought of what would be bad to Poland , I am disgusted. And the Serbian government which remembers us only when Serbia does not like the region at all, but ordinary Serbs VOTED for them. So my opinion is that Slavic unity is just a myth! And reality is those people who see themselves with Russia, they feel spiritually close to us and understand that today it is difficult for us, but together we are a POWER that no one will ever break, and maybe together with them we can finally create a state for the people, and not for the servants of the people (officials).
        1. FunkschNNX
          FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 17: 11
          +2
          Quote: ele1285
          simple Serbs voted for them.

          Do we have many ordinary Russians voted for EBN, Pu or Nedimon? And the rulers' interests in principle do not coincide with the national, not only ours. As for the disagreements, I often fought with my brother, sometimes up to blood, but from this we did not stop being brothers.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 16 December 2013 17: 32
            +7
            Well, I don’t want to consider my UNA-UNSO member as my sibling, I'm sorry, I’m just not mentally prepared for this. And about the vote for EBN in 1996, soooo this question, and you and I will probably never know the real results.
            1. FunkschNNX
              FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 17: 37
              +6
              Quote: ele1285
              Well, I do not want to consider my sibling a member of UNA-UNSO

              In the family, as they say .... I now have relatives of drug addicts, but the degree of kinship does not change from this sad fact.
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 16 December 2013 17: 49
                0
                But this does not mean at all that you should support him and give money for "treatment." I can understand you humanly, you do not need advice, but
                Fight and suffer
                live and not give up
              2. ATATA
                ATATA 16 December 2013 18: 12
                +4
                Quote: Фкенщь13
                In the family, as they say .... I now have relatives of drug addicts, but the degree of kinship does not change from this sad fact.

                Well, family ...
                And here is UNA-UNSO with what kind of bother?
                1. FunkschNNX
                  FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 18: 24
                  -3
                  Quote: ATATA
                  UNA-UNSO with what a brother?

                  they are also Ukrainians, Slavs.
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 16 December 2013 20: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Фкенщь13
                    they are also Ukrainians, Slavs.

                    So what?
                    The Poles are the same Slavs.
                    By gutsul ksta there is a doubt of kinship.
                    Yes, for me the Germans are closer than the Hutsuls!
                    1. FunkschNNX
                      FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 21: 56
                      0
                      Quote: ATATA
                      The Poles are the same Slavs.

                      Well, the people are like a family, only more. Just as among other people, siblings are closer to everyone, the same is true among foreign nations. Just like a family, they are wrong, or we are wrong, but this is a family, they do not choose it.
                      1. ATATA
                        ATATA 17 December 2013 06: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Фкенщь13
                        Well, the people are like a family, only more.

                        Yes, the Hutsuls do not consider us their family!
                        For them, a family of geyropa!
                    2. stroporez
                      stroporez 2 March 2014 09: 05
                      0
                      I read an article by some professional. So from almost all "European" languages ​​the word "hutsul", "gotsul", "gatsul" - means "bandyuk" .......
                  2. Zhorik
                    Zhorik 4 February 2014 00: 30
                    +1
                    I deeply doubt it. During the reign of Yushch, our beautiful language was distorted to randomness. I am a resident of the south of Ukraine, I communicate perfectly in Russian and Ukrainian, but is such disgrace without comments? spalahuyka? cavyar? I guess Shevchenko who Taras in a coffin spun very quickly from their pearls
            2. Alex Danilov
              Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 19: 00
              +8
              Blockhead. You need to fight and fight for the brothers. And if you don’t, you will lose them and they will go against you, yes, under other people's banners, like blind rams to kill, shouting the words: "Death to Rashke, etc." under NATO banners. And you will you are alone, surrounded on all sides by their bases and missile defense along the perimeter and in a circle.
              In the family, as they say ....
              Ilya Muromets also fought for Russia near Kiev, remember Bogdan. Whoever remembers the old one, those who forget it, two.
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 16 December 2013 21: 33
                +1
                You’re wrong, having such relatives, you don’t need enemies. They fed them in the old days, so what? They’re ready to stick an ax and a hook in the back, but they’re ready to fight for them? Burn them with a blue flame along the gallows on which they were shot near the wall in a clean field.
                And do not confuse Elijah with Karacharovo with B Ogdan Chigirinsky. The first fought for his homeland, for which he was buried in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, and the second for his privileges (for a piece of privilege and the opportunity to eat deliciously and sleep sweetly) he fought, and his son same.
                To your opinion, although I have respect, Alex Danilov, but try not to biasedly look at the story.
            3. morpex
              morpex 16 December 2013 19: 08
              +6
              Quote: ele1285
              Well, I do not want to consider my sibling a member of UNA-UNSO

              And I don’t want ... I already wrote that in reality only 7% of the total population was given for Tyagnybykovites in Ukraine. 93% for another development. In France, Le Pen was recently. Where is he? We have 10 years ago, Korchinsky was a "great politician" - was blown away. (By the way, the prosecutor's office is looking for him and he is sitting out in Moscow. Isn't it a sexot?). , why is everyone crazy here? What kind of nonsense are you talking about? What kind of war tries? Which section? (I’m not for you, but for all the "dividers") Divide borscht on plates in your kitchen. One farted an article, and everyone sniffs nonsense ...
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 16 December 2013 20: 02
                +6
                Le Pen transferred the authority to his daughter Marie Le Pen, and she screams that it is necessary to restore NORMAL relations with Russia, but I repeat about relations, you are not Ukrainians in Ukraine, and you are not Russian in Russia. Maybe you need to build relations not as partners, but as friends? Maybe we can build a state for the people, and not for his servants?
                I repeat today, probably the sixth time. I apologize
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 16 December 2013 20: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: ele1285
                  Le Pen transferred the authority to his daughter Marie Le Pen, and she screams that it is necessary to restore NORMAL relations with Russia

                  Nobody will give it to her. France is tightly under the amer's cap. A step to the left, a step to the right, "shooting", the story of the socialist Strauss-Kahn is evidence of this.
                  1. Lesnik
                    Lesnik 16 December 2013 21: 16
                    +2
                    You dear finally decide who are you for? or ours and yours?
                    1. Clegg
                      Clegg 16 December 2013 21: 24
                      -5
                      Quote: Forestman
                      You dear finally decide who are you for?

                      I am for the Kazakhs and Turks)))
                      1. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 16 December 2013 21: 38
                        +4
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Quote: Forestman
                        You dear finally decide who are you for?

                        I am for the Kazakhs and Turks)))


                        no problem! do it yourself you want to cut each other or opuiliruyte and for the people of Ukraine and Russia do not sign, how can we figure it out without you
                        Quote: Clegg
                        For our and your freedom!

                        I support the Maidan like many other Kazakhs! The Kazakh people have already supported, the turn for the Russians

                        I want revolutions then to the amers and the French for whom you are so worried
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Nobody will give it to her. France is tightly under the amer's cap. A step to the left, a step to the right, "shooting", the story of the socialist Strauss-Kahn is evidence of this.
                      2. Clegg
                        Clegg 16 December 2013 21: 52
                        -4
                        Quote: Forestman
                        but for the people of Ukraine and Russia do not sign, how can we figure it out ourselves without you

                        YES no, we reserve the right for ourselves. Moreover, Ukrainian friends are not against our support.
                      3. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 16 December 2013 21: 57
                        +4
                        Announce your friends list ... for a story laughing
                      4. Clegg
                        Clegg 16 December 2013 22: 06
                        -9
                        Quote: Forestman
                        Announce your friends list

                        Türks, Ukrainians, Georgians, Balts, Poles, Anglo-Saxons, Hungarians and Japanese. Enough?
                      5. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 16 December 2013 22: 09
                        +7
                        What a horror laughing - Is it ALL to whom we luli piled? Take the trouble to clarify the list, or is it somehow embarrassing - so few? laughing
                      6. Clegg
                        Clegg 16 December 2013 22: 14
                        -7
                        Quote: Forestman
                        What a terrible thing - is it ALL to whom we piled on lyuley?

                        We are against the war, for mutually beneficial cooperation!
                      7. Lesnik
                        Lesnik 16 December 2013 22: 22
                        +5
                        Funny - Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and about all sorts of Africa I’m the default, sorry I didn’t mention anyone, old age is not a joy you know. But this is your Dermocratic list is enough laughing

                        Quote: Clegg
                        We are against the war, for mutually beneficial cooperation!


                        Rather, we are for oil, which, due to a misunderstanding, is still yours laughing US State Department slogan - are you out of salary there?
                      8. Clegg
                        Clegg 17 December 2013 10: 35
                        -4
                        Quote: Forestman
                        US State Department Slogan

                        Yes, every comment is $ 2. I ask you to debate with me, unlike you, I have the opportunity to earn extra money wink
                2. Stanislas
                  Stanislas 16 December 2013 23: 02
                  +5
                  Quote: Clegg
                  Türks, Ukrainians, Georgians, Balts, Poles, Anglo-Saxons, Hungarians and Japanese.
                  For all the Kazakhs, it would not be worth signing, or else it’s just for all the Turks and the rest to jabber ... Those who crack the pedigree in the State Department, here they are yours accomplices friends.
                3. xan
                  xan 16 December 2013 23: 34
                  +5
                  Türks, Ukrainians, Georgians, Balts, Poles, Anglo-Saxons, Hungarians and Japanese. Enough?

                  "The haberdasher and the cardinal are power!"
                  Clegg in the group of haberdashery. True, as it was rightly noted here, it is far from complete. The cardinal is the Anglo-Saxons, but in Russia at all times there was a dofiga of specialists in threaded bolts.
                  I’m not boasting, but I cannot restrain myself from citing the words of one Pole: "If the Russians celebrated their victories as Poles, they would not work a single day of the year."
          2. Zhorik
            Zhorik 4 February 2014 00: 33
            0
            The question is what is the concept of people?
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 16 December 2013 23: 18
          +1
          And I am for the brown bear and the Russians. If only you were not your own heart for the polar fox, which always comes unexpectedly.
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 16 December 2013 21: 26
        -2
        I am for the Ukrainian people, and against all dictators, be Janushesku, Pu, Luka or Nazar
        1. not main
          not main 16 December 2013 22: 34
          0
          And the people asked your opinion?
        2. Zhorik
          Zhorik 4 February 2014 00: 38
          0
          Everyone has their own understanding of happiness .and do not make him (the people) happy, start with yourself and I with myself and all the problems solved
  8. stroporez
    stroporez 5 March 2014 11: 15
    0
    Quote: Clegg
    France is tightly under the amer's cap. Step left step right "shot
    --------- yes ... the Gauls are not the same .....
  • d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 1 February 2014 01: 07
    0
    The election of Beni Yeltsin was rigged, this was reported by Chubais during an interview in 2012. True, few doubted it.
  • ATATA
    ATATA 16 December 2013 18: 01
    +4
    Quote: Фкенщь13
    As for the disagreements, I often fought with my brother, sometimes up to blood, but from this we did not stop being brothers.

    Why fight with your brother?
    I can’t understand it!
    I have a brother too.
    Well, you can quarrel, take a puff there, and why fight?
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 18: 12
      +2
      Quote: ATATA
      Why fight with your brother?
      were young, hot but stupid :-(
  • Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 18: 58
    +3
    Why don’t you like Putin? O. Shcha, we’ll start a military base with you. Under Yeltsin, we waited until you finally get up from the ass, we thought that you would not get up. And under Putin, right now, military cooperation will be with you.
  • alex-s
    alex-s 16 December 2013 17: 35
    +4
    And the Bulgarians! How many Russians died freeing them from the Turks ?! And where is the gratitude?
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 16 December 2013 17: 52
      +4
      Quote: alex-s
      And the Bulgarians! How many Russians died freeing them from the Turks ?! And where is the gratitude?

      Not one good deed goes unpunished

      And my father-in-law is a Tatar! What should I do ?!

      To convince the father-in-law that he is the best Bulgarian in the world, and you will live happily ever after
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 16 December 2013 18: 34
        +2
        Love me too? Just like me winked
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 16 December 2013 18: 51
          +1
          If only in the first place by a different structure of the section of the eyes with a highly developed fold of the upper eyelid
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 16 December 2013 18: 58
            +2
            Padstal ...
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 16 December 2013 20: 07
              0
              Well do not jerk
      2. shark
        shark 16 December 2013 20: 25
        +2
        What does the Bulgars have to do with it? We are talking about the nation of Judah-Bulgarh. Millions of our compatriots gave their lives for the very existence of the state "Bulgaria" and what did they receive in return? In the first place, that during the Second World Wars the Bulgarians went to war against us. After the collapse of the USSR, they galloped to NATO at an accelerated pace. Perfectly understanding against whom this block was imprisoned. Personally, on principle, I don’t shake hands with the Bulgarians. Let them sing songs that it’s not them, but evil rulers are all delusional; rulers are chosen by the people.
        1. FunkschNNX
          FunkschNNX 17 December 2013 09: 38
          0
          Quote: shark
          Bulgarians went to war with us

          Remind me of specific operations, please, I just don’t really remember such operations.
          1. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 17 December 2013 10: 05
            0
            Not too lazy to check, Bulgaria did not fight with Russia. The Bulgarians sank our submarine, but it seems that their boat was not well understood there. For this, the USSR declared war on Bulgaria in September 1944. So stop dragging unverified articles from kitchen historians to a serious resource.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 17 December 2013 14: 22
              0
              Quote: Фкенщь13
              Not too lazy to check, Bulgaria did not fight with Russia.

              However, Bulgaria’s participation in the occupation of Greece and Yugoslavia and hostilities against Greek and Yugoslav partisans freed up German divisions to be sent to the Eastern Front. No matter on which front, Bulgaria fought.
              It is clear that Bulgaria could not resist Germany and she had no choice, but the fact is clear.
              Correctly it must be said that Bulgaria did not fight against the Red Army.
    2. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 17: 56
      +3
      Quote: alex-s
      And where is the gratitude?

      Yes, it’s a shame of course, but a normal person doesn’t save a girl from a rapist in order to rape herself :-)
      Only by one's own positive example can one earn respect. When we will be respected for something, Russia will have more supporters, I hope.
      Although this is probably a utopia :-( it’s an infection, sometimes it makes its own corrections.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 16 December 2013 18: 37
        +4
        Quote: Фкенщь13
        Yes, it’s a shame of course, but a normal person doesn’t save a girl from a rapist in order to rape herself :-)

        And read Andreev, a contemporary of Gorky. The topic is far from new ...
  • yur
    yur 16 December 2013 21: 02
    0
    You know, I may express a very seditious thought, but the Chechen commandos who beat the bandits are more like a brother to me than a Slav Pole, who is installing missiles against Russia on its territory.
  • alex-s
    alex-s 16 December 2013 17: 32
    0
    And my father-in-law is a Tatar! What should I do ?!
    1. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 17: 44
      +9
      Quote: alex-s
      And my father-in-law is a Tatar!

      And I have a daughter-in-law Tatar and therefore 1/2 niece. Fine.
      Nationalism can be not only destructive (this is when they cut chu ...), but also 100% positive, this is when peoples inspire others with their example, when they build not concentration camps on the "occupied" territories, but schools and hospitals. For example, as it was before: "Great Russia rallied forever", nationalist because in modern times the slogan, but at one time very correctly reflected the role of Russia. And with the Tatars we have long been on the way.
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 16 December 2013 17: 54
        +3
        I agree ++++
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 16 December 2013 18: 40
        +6
        And I have a Tatar wife, which I am very glad. And the children absorbed the culture of both peoples
      3. Alex Danilov
        Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 19: 13
        +1
        And rightly so.
  • Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 18: 52
    12
    USSR 2: 0-Russia, Empire of Goodness, war Belorus, but damn Russian. I’ll show West-Pisyun with my fist. For Russia! Guys, Rusichs, we finally landed in Baranavichy-Russians-hurray! We’ll do a joint, Russian-Belarusian military base. Hurry.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 16 December 2013 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      Guys, rusichi, finally, in Baranavichy, yours landed, your Russians, hurray!

      If "guys, rusichi", then why "yours." Rusichi are Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians. In the understanding of the word "rusichi" we are one people.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 16 December 2013 19: 15
        +9
        Do not find fault with the words. The guy is already the second day here is tearing his throat, only no one hears him! Patriot
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 16 December 2013 19: 19
          +2
          Quote: Den 11
          The guy has been tearing his throat here for the second day, only no one hears him! Patriot

          I liked him too. Our person.
        2. alone
          alone 16 December 2013 22: 30
          0
          laughing Denis, hi! can pour him a glass of wine so that the vocal cords are not torn off? wassat and then yells everything yells, and the rest like that on the drum))
    2. FunkschNNX
      FunkschNNX 16 December 2013 22: 07
      +1
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      we finally at Baranavichy-your-landed-Russian-Hooray!
      I suspect that our brotherly feelings weren’t pushed away by fraternal feelings, but by banal concern for our own ass. But it's better than nothing "there would be no happiness, but misfortune helped" . It’s all impossible to go to Belarus, say hello to Belarusians, and see how you live. Well, nothing, I’ll definitely get out, and I’ll take my son.
  • xan
    xan 16 December 2013 23: 50
    0
    Quote: Фкенщь13
    There are 350 million Slavs of us on the planet, we are one of the largest white peoples (and maybe the largest), we need to stay together, otherwise obscurantism from the east or the virus of tolerance from the west will hit us one by one and eat us up without a trace

    And someone from the Slavs thinks not like you. Someone is trying to sell his Slavic orientation to Russians for quite tangible nishtyaks, or better yet, sit on a Russian head and hang his legs. What for me such brothers?
    I am for a strong Russia. For a strong Russia the whole world is one of the privileges of the Russian - not to bother with the search for friends and the opinion of foreigners about you.
    And the rest will catch up, though they will not be on a par with the Russians - 22 years have shown who is worth what.
  • Zhorik
    Zhorik 4 February 2014 00: 21
    0
    I absolutely agree and ordinary people who think the same great variety
  • avg
    avg 16 December 2013 16: 13
    +2
    In this case, Mr. Putin will have to play an incredibly delicate political game.

    It is necessary to clearly and honestly warn the "respected partners" that it will be an old Russian game called "Who will God send to, or Who has not hidden, I am not to blame." yes
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 16 December 2013 16: 30
      +7
      quote-As soon as Ukraine disintegrates, Russia will have to add, although according to some democratic standards, part of Ukraine - and the howls of Westerners will immediately rise. Russia will be presented with an ultimatum, which it will not be able to fulfill due to the inertia of diplomatic processes.

      I read ........... I immediately thought that the material was taken from a resource such as inosmi or foreign press, but I didn’t write it, a forum member named Dmitry. So Dmitry, if this is of course your real name, because of such You are in a squabble between Russia and Ukraine. Such as you bring confusion and confusion into the minds of people from both sides and from this side. I sit and imagine how people from across the ocean rub their hands and rejoice. You actually do the work of emissaries from the USA and countries Western Europe, according to the dismemberment of Ukraine. Your wild fantasy is the fruit of your inflamed imagination. Yes, you don’t deserve a sharp tone, but there’s no one. Ukraine was, is and will be one and indivisible. And in conclusion I’ll write the following, it’s necessary to fight for Ukraine, until the end there is at least some opportunity and not let it be torn to pieces by predators. Instead in order to write privately what else Russia can do for Ukraine, in terms of returning it to the orbit of Russia's interests. You repel even those who sincerely want to be with Russia with your writing.
      1. dddym
        16 December 2013 16: 39
        +3
        You are something very emotional - my conclusions are only speculations. I do not call for collapse. I really do not want the collapse of Ukraine. I almost quote information from the media and ponder.
        I really want that I would be wrong. And I hope that this does not happen. I want to wish all readers happiness in the New Year and prosperity for them and their families.
        1. morpex
          morpex 16 December 2013 17: 18
          -6
          Quote: dddym
          I almost quote information from the media and ponder.

          I can write an article "Russia and the Third World War" in the same format and on the same topic and add a picture here. Will it be relevant?

          Another Kiselyovshchina about Ukraine. You can’t even imagine how such articles help our enemies to destabilize ...
          To the author. Do not be offended. This is my point of view ...
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 16 December 2013 17: 41
            +7
            Quote: morpex
            Quote: dddym
            I almost quote information from the media and ponder.

            I can write an article "Russia and the Third World War" in the same format and on the same topic and add a picture here. Will it be relevant?

            Another Kiselyovshchina about Ukraine. You can’t even imagine how such articles help our enemies to destabilize ...
            To the author. Do not be offended. This is my point of view ...




            And the dog with him, with this China.
            He sees the eye, but the tooth is numb.
            A very long time ago there was such a joke.
            The Chinese-Soviet border. The Chinese are attacking our territory. A hero comes out and says: "Come out on me alone THOUSAND Chinese, we will fight." And they left behind the hill.
            Half an hour later he comes out again and everything repeats itself and for the third time the hero came out and took the Chinese beyond the hill. And he goes out again to call them to battle, and then from behind the hill an unfinished Chinese man crawls out and shouts: "Don't go there, there are two of them." ...
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 16 December 2013 18: 03
              -6
              They just stole a joke about the Scots and the British. In general, something similar was said about the small Japanese, and then Japan sank the Russian squadron and defeated the ground forces, took Port Arthur ... And where were those Russian heroes? And you will kick the leadership that if it were not for the traitors, then we would show everyone. So the current is no better. Nicholas, at least, did not keep his daughters in Europe and family caches in the banks of a potential enemy.
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 16 December 2013 18: 47
                +7
                I did not engage in plagiarism, my dear, I heard a joke in the army in 88. Scots and may have been scolded and met in my life, but they did not introduce themselves by nation, everything is the same for me, that one thing, the other.
                The squadron, yes, that is, that is. And at the expense of the ground forces you are greatly mistaken. Read more closely the ratio of losses, at that time (at the beginning of the century the newspapers published a list), the possibility of the continuation of the war from Japan and Russia in economic terms and who supplied the Russian squadron with coal in that campaign and who was the first "peacemaker" in that war. When the empire began to pull up troops to Manzhuria, revolutionary sentiments suddenly flared up on the territory of the Republic of I. And one of the strikes in Kharkov, 14 DAYS after the start of the war ... The demands of the protesters are: "an end to the war with Japan."
                Cool, huh?
                The war has not really started yet, and there are already demands for an end. Miracles.
                So there is no need to trash the Russian people, and the traitors have nothing to do with it, there were no less of them under your ensign.
                And we all owe a simple soldier a bow to the earth, now would be fertilizer for German cabbage or Japanese puffer fish, no one would have left us alive from these two empires.
                So, as they say - "learn the material part".
                Sincerely, Shatilov A.S.
                1. Lesnik
                  Lesnik 16 December 2013 23: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: ele1285

                  Sincerely, Shatilov A.S.

                  Well done Shatilov A.S. we are proud of you !!!! good drinks
              2. kare
                kare 16 December 2013 19: 31
                +2
                Tsushima happened, as you rightly noted, through the fault (if my memory serves me) of the muddled Admiral Rozhestvensky. Only under Tsushima and Port Arthur the Russians were in the ranks and on the deck and died together.
                1. ele1285
                  ele1285 16 December 2013 20: 09
                  +1
                  Try to write without errors.
                  Quote: kare
                  Tsushima happened, as you rightly noted, through the fault (if my memory serves me) of the muddled Admiral Rozhdestvensky. Only under Tsushima and Port Arthur in the ranks and on the deck the Russians died together.
                2. Sergey Sitnikov
                  Sergey Sitnikov 16 December 2013 20: 38
                  0
                  for me, Tsushima happened mainly due to melenitis (shimoza) - rats torn Japs pulled chemistry
              3. dimon-media
                dimon-media 16 December 2013 19: 39
                +5
                Yeah, that was the case. But do not be lazy to remember the end of the Second World War. We have returned everything to ourselves. Including joined Iturup, Shikotan, Habomai and Kunashir.
              4. not main
                not main 16 December 2013 23: 03
                +1
                There were heroes in the army and in the navy! The ground forces were not defeated! Yes, there was Tsushima and the loss of Port Arthur. But there was also 1945! (Correction of errors) By the way, this campaign, with an effective result, turned out to be the most "bloodless" (the lowest losses WW2) And also that 1904-05 and 1945 in the Russian and Soviet troops, as well as in the Navy! a lot of Ukrainians fought!
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            3. dimon-media
              dimon-media 16 December 2013 19: 35
              +2
              Quote: ele1285
              and then an unfinished Chinese man crawls out from behind the hill and shouts: "Don't go there, there are two of them."

              Wildly neighing laughing )))))) +++
            4. xan
              xan 16 December 2013 23: 59
              0
              Quote: ele1285
              And the dog with him, with this China.
              He sees the eye, but the tooth is numb.

              I see Kabaev too, and so I see it, and I see it differently, and when I am seriously pushed, I am afraid that she will come to me.
              In general, some kind of Chinese.
          2. dddym
            16 December 2013 18: 19
            +4
            I am absolutely not offended - but about the destabilization .. What did Russia fall apart from such cards? The trouble is not in the cards, but in that. what if some kind of cards can ruin the state - is it worth it to think about their stability in general ???
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 16 December 2013 17: 32
          +3
          Quote: dddym
          You are something very emotional

          and you thought you might still thank you for writing a chimera.
          Quote: dddym
          my conclusions are only speculations

          Thoughts as you wrote leave with you. Neither the time nor the right place.
          Quote: dddym
          I really do not want the collapse of Ukraine

          therefore you wrote all this nonsense.
          Quote: dddym
          I almost quote information from the media and ponder

          Thank God we are literate and also read. Unlike you, we analyze.
          1. dddym
            16 December 2013 18: 17
            +7
            listen - you are quite already - if you think so - I understand, but I wrote the article and I'm not going to kill it - your opinion is your opinion, I have the same opinion. Such articles can no longer spoil anything, they help the collapse not in a crisis but in peacetime. during the crisis, everything has already been said. Will you listen to your opponent and his arguments during a fight? You attach too much importance to this generally inconspicuous article, thereby escalating the atmosphere around the expression of an opinion different from yours ... Be more prudent otherwise the word "analyze" refers more to medicine than to politics ...
          2. uhjpysq1
            uhjpysq1 16 December 2013 18: 27
            +3
            Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs, Home, old dispute, already weighted by fate, A question that you will not resolve.
            1. xan
              xan 17 December 2013 00: 09
              0
              Quote: uhjpysq1
              Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs, Home, old dispute, already weighted by fate, A question that you will not resolve.

              As the respected Ostap Bender said: "Wonderful poems came to my mind. But a little later I discovered that a little earlier they came to Sasha Pushkin's head. What a blow from a classic!"
          3. alone
            alone 16 December 2013 22: 33
            -1
            You know apollo hi ! As a matter of fact, the site’s editors managed to post here a clearly provocative article that serves to further worsen relations between Russia and Ukraine. This is called, among other things, the Bear Service
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 16 December 2013 22: 43
              +1
              Quote: lonely
              How did the editors of the site manage to post here such an obviously provocative article, which serves to further worsen relations between Russia and Ukraine.


              Hello dear hi
              The question you have raised is beyond my competence.
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 16 December 2013 17: 27
        +5
        Musaget, why is Azerbaijan for the most part located in Persia and this is considered the norm, and the territories of Ukraine (if only) attached to Russia bring confusion and confusion to the minds of people? in eastern and southern Ukraine. For example, the population of Yekaterinoslav, for the most part, who built this city, and did not trade in it, consisted of the Bryansk and Kaluga provinces. It is not for nothing that the people say: "Blood is not water, you cannot dilute it."
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 16 December 2013 18: 04
          -10 qualifying.
          Well, in Kubuni at the beginning of the 20th century, the main language was Ukrainian. Let Russia return the Kuban to Ukraine?
          1. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 16 December 2013 19: 11
            +7
            There is no Ukrainian nation, no Ukrainian language. There are Little Russians, there are New Russians. Everything else is propaganda. History suggests that Ukraine is an integral part of Russia. The people of Ukraine are Russians. Our DNA group is identical. Or are you Walker1975 from "Great ........deleted by moderator Apollo"happened?
          2. shark
            shark 16 December 2013 20: 30
            +1
            Well, will return, and what will Ukraine do with Kuban? It’s not today, tomorrow Crimea is ready for the Turks to tear out the western regions of the Hungarians and the Poles. And the funniest thing is to give the Romanians. I’ll give you the Kuban. Truly, I’m biting you laughing
          3. azkolt
            azkolt 16 December 2013 20: 37
            +1
            It’s strange to read your opuses! Moreover, they are repeated wherever the autocrats appear. but let's figure it out in order!
            a) in the Kuban, Ukrainian was not the main one at the beginning of the 20th century, maybe if only surzhik. Is it Ukrainian?
            b) the Cossacks got there by the will of the leadership of Ingushetia, when no Ukraine existed. How do you use the word "return" here?
            c) it is necessary to ask the Kuban themselves whether they want to move to Ukraine, namely a move, as these territories were developed not only by the Cossacks, but also by the Russians. And then compare who wants to move to Ukraine and who wants to reunite with Russia. Here I mean the lands of New Russia. You do not twist here, but only Russia has the real right to them, as the assignee of the USSR and RI. There are also d) and e) and e). I don’t see the point of bringing them, you watch too much Ukrainian television. And on the basis of a conversation in Ukrainian, you can make a complaint to Canada, there are many of yours too and with the same rights as in the Kuban!
            1. shark
              shark 16 December 2013 20: 46
              0
              Canada needs to be taken exactly and the rest of Ukraine to move there. This is a Great Ukrainian dream. And there is no need to do anything and everything was given for free
          4. xan
            xan 17 December 2013 00: 16
            0
            Quote: Walker1975
            Well, in Kubuni at the beginning of the 20th century, the main language was Ukrainian. Let Russia return the Kuban to Ukraine?

            Your Ukrainian people could not attach anything to their power on their own. Be proud of it, Ukrainian.
          5. FunkschNNX
            FunkschNNX 17 December 2013 09: 46
            0
            Quote: Walker1975
            Well, in Kubuni at the beginning of the 20th century, the main language was Ukrainian.

            There was surzhik, and he still remained in remote farms. Following this logic - let's join Brighton Beach to Russia, they also speak Russian there, or to Israel, because the Jews are there in Tel Aviv.
          6. Setrac
            Setrac 17 December 2013 14: 28
            0
            Quote: Walker1975
            Let Russia return the Kuban to Ukraine?

            stop Kuban was NEVER a part of Ukraine, how can I return to where I was not?
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 16 December 2013 18: 20
          +5
          Quote: ele1285
          why is Azerbaijan for the most part located in Persia and this is considered the norm, and the territories of Ukraine (if yes) added to Russia’s confusion and confusion? For the sake of interest, read from what lands His Grace Prince Potemkin brought people to the cities he founded in eastern and southern Ukraine.

          Alexander, we are now analyzing and discussing not the lessons of history. You really believe that Ukraine is fighting for Euro integration.In Ukraine, there is primarily a struggle for power.
          Let's start in order, on whom V.V. Putin relied, correctly on the party of regions, headed by the notorious Yanukovych. What Yanukovych did in social and economic terms ........but nothing. Instead of rolling up your sleeves and tackling urgent problems. One talking room and blah blah. What do you think people gathered in the square are all like one for euro integration ..... NO and NO again. People left how much is not for integration how much is against Yanukovych.These are two different things. This is the first. The second is why Yanukovych did not go to a referendum. I am sure that the overwhelming population of Ukraine would vote for it. Thus, Yanukovych would have a very strong trump card against those who are for Euro integration. After the referendum, Yanukovych would have the right to extinguish all those who would be against and he would have carte blanche for integration with Russia.
          Quote: askort154
          Let her go to the Himalayas! Let her go completely!

          but my dear would advise you not to write nonsense.In Ukraine, the fate of Russia is being decided.I didn’t make a reservation. At stake is the further political fate of V.V. Putin himself. In essence, with the loss of Ukraine, in my opinion, the very existence of the TS is called into question.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 16 December 2013 19: 02
            +2
            Musaget, I have not been in Kiev for a very long time, since the days of the Union.
            [quote = Apollon]
            Alexander, we are now analyzing and discussing not the lessons of history. You really believe that Ukraine is fighting for Euro integration. [B] In Ukraine, there is primarily a struggle for power.
            1. morpex
              morpex 16 December 2013 19: 38
              +5
              Quote: ele1285
              Musaget, I have not been in Kiev for a very long time, since the days of the Union.

              What are you!? Listen to Kiselev! He says something like this: "... there are miracles, there is a goblin wandering, a mermaid sits on the branches. There, on unknown paths, traces of unknown beasts ...." ... wassat
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 16 December 2013 19: 46
                +1
                And when were you in the capital last time?
                We also have evil highlanders, holding a dagger in their teeth, climb onto the wall, and they also write everywhere and the homeless are unmeasured and everything is sold.
                So watch less TV.
                1. morpex
                  morpex 16 December 2013 20: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: ele1285
                  And when were you in the capital last time?

                  He visited three years ago. The guys were fellow soldiers. And he went to the dad in Belarus, and also to the guys. So, I didn’t feel like a guest. I walked around Moscow where I wanted and as I wanted.
                  Quote: ele1285

                  So watch less TV.

                  I agree. You can watch. You can’t believe.
                  1. ele1285
                    ele1285 16 December 2013 23: 35
                    0
                    It is possible and necessary to walk in the capital, although in comparison with the 70s it has lost its charm, there is no longer the city that was in my childhood. Only three years ago, I can assure you, there were much fewer "wild children of the mountains", but now chaos.
                    And do not watch TV before dinner, nor watch what, even if there is no other. It interferes with digestion.
                    And I envy you with fellow soldiers, there were only 20 Russian people on the ZRV regiment (Tatars, Bashkirs and Mordovians were also considered Russian)
                    Sincerely, Shatilov A.S.
                    1. morpex
                      morpex 17 December 2013 00: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: ele1285
                      And do not watch TV before dinner, nor watch what, even if there is no other. It interferes with digestion.

                      Thanks for the advice. The paraphrased professors, but to the point! laughing
                      Quote: ele1285
                      , I can assure you, there were much fewer "wild children of the mountains", but now there is chaos.

                      What? is it so bad? Unas in Kharkov, all markets are crammed with the Sino-Korean-Vietnamese diaspora. Not so arrogant, but still, also not a fountain ...
                      Well, I was lucky with the latter ... We mainly Russians and Ukrainians, Belarusians, several Balts, (which is interesting I didn’t contact the Balts. They didn’t reach the letter, they didn’t want to keep contact. Your Europe ..... ), there are several Kazakhs and a couple of Tartars. Where can they be without them! But for the strangers we were all and now there are Russians ..
                      Sincerely, V. Zhirov
                      1. ele1285
                        ele1285 17 December 2013 00: 51
                        0
                        Worse than you think, this is a transdean. Soon there will be a ghetto as in the Y-burg in South Africa, we will fence off and we will exist as in South Africa.
                      2. morpex
                        morpex 17 December 2013 01: 31
                        0
                        Quote: ele1285
                        Worse than you think, this is a transdean. Soon there will be a ghetto as in the Y-burg in South Africa, we will fence off and we will exist as in South Africa.

                        Yeah damn .. I can only sympathize .. And how to deal with this? Hmm. Seeing in the Kremlin is all profitable for someone once they close their eyes.
                        And the common people are ... And the Russians and Ukrainians are very good-natured and hospitable people ... Because they suffer from this. But! For the time being ...
          2. ele1285
            ele1285 16 December 2013 19: 39
            +5
            I don’t understand, Musaget, wrote the answer, but he did not light up, I will try again.
            The fact is that we are not analyzing and discussing the lessons of history here.

            Of course, not the lessons of history, only the history of Russia is now being done on the Maidan, whether we want it or not. Not even so much of the state as of the spiritual community of people.
            I don’t know what is going on in Ukraine (it will be so correct to write and speak Russian), but how many parasites are there, people who have lost their homes, schoolchildren and students who do not want to study, etc.?
            And what will happen next? In two generations, they will speak Azerbaijani, they have a mov, we have a Pashto and Chechen. Then what?
            Already now you can only go from Kiev to Vladivostok knowing Russian speech, and 25 years ago from Warsaw everyone knew it.
            So I believe that the reunification of the ancestral Russian lands is a blessing not only for Ukraine, but also for Russia. there is a more educated people, he has more rebellious spirit left and maybe together we can build a state for the PEOPLE, and not for his servants
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 16 December 2013 20: 46
              +4
              Quote: ele1285
              And what will happen next? In two generations, they will speak Azerbaijani, they have a mov,


              There will be a corresponding article on the forum about Azerbaijan and everything connected with the republic, and there we will discuss heart-to-heart, but for now the topic is about Ukraine.
        3. Alex Danilov
          Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 19: 52
          +5
          To hell with them, not Ukraine. Once such dances, prepare the governor. And the tank to me.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 16 December 2013 20: 05
            +3
            Tour of Europe on your vehicle?
            Neighing!
    2. makarov
      makarov 16 December 2013 18: 21
      +3
      Nice to read MORAL koment.
      P.S. In general, I waited a very long time, from the very beginning of the development of the situation in Ukraine, analytical comments, or material about how advantageous the situation was for the current oligarchic authorities, and so I did not wait ...
      The authorities are profitable because ....... as well as the PEOPLE LOWERED THE ACCUMULATED STEAM, and everything will go the old way, and taking advantage of the moment, Yaneka's "family" will devour or give in exchange for their own, who have become inconvenient inside, and their business will be cut under popular "approvals" ...
    3. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 19: 17
      +4
      Well, he said something a little wrong. He wanted to say this: if NATO forces are brought into Ukraine, it will be more efficient, Russia will immediately bring in its own forces, otherwise, if Russia does not, it will lose Ukraine, access to the sea and its navy there. And get a military base and US ships at your side. Or a powder keg.
      At the beginning (above) I gave links, look at YouTube. Everything is so.
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 16 December 2013 19: 48
        +2
        NATO will not be in Ukraine. You will see.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 16 December 2013 23: 23
          +3
          Citizens, comrades, gentlemen, in Russian it is correct to write and speak IN Ukraine, what do you write like deer are not literate twice?
  • askort154
    askort154 16 December 2013 16: 18
    0
    Let her go to the Himalayas! Let her go completely!
    He bites apples from a European sack, and requests to return to his homeland. Otherwise, there will be
    skunk on the Russian outskirts, all his life.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 19: 22
      +5
      Release-easily, return-it is difficult. Especially when it becomes like the Baltic under the banner of NATO.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 16 December 2013 16: 19
    20
    Jokes in the topic.
    1. Tens of thousands of Ukrainians took to the streets and squares of the country, defending their right to wash dishes and sweep the streets in the European Union!
    2. In Ukraine, students were released from classes. And they are with joyful shouts "Do not study, do not study and do not study again!" demolished a monument to Lenin.
    3. - Yanukovych is the only European in Ukraine, and the Maydans are Papuans.
    - Why not?
    - He is the only one thinking about money.
    4. Russia has once again saved Europe - from Ukraine!
  • konvalval
    konvalval 16 December 2013 16: 22
    +8
    Yes, not fun. No gas discounts. It would be very foolish to pay the losses incurred by Ukraine on the Maidan.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 16 December 2013 16: 23
    +5
    Quote: 3
    first comer is Poland.


    It is she who is the first to fully rake, as historical experience shows. And even the Germans will remember about the selected land ...

    But the poles in the expected mess will still be Poles - they are now a gag in every eastern barrel.
  • VADEL
    VADEL 16 December 2013 16: 29
    +6
    "Maidan-Balagan". The song "Time Machine" - puppets, right to the point.
    1. Fastblast
      Fastblast 16 December 2013 16: 51
      -3
      And those whom PR on anti-Maidan for the loot, who-what?

      Yesterday my mother received that very December pension. Those same 1024 UAH. ($ 124), which the majority of pensioners in Ukraine receive, despite the crust "hero of labor and 35 years of work experience at home. In the photo you can admire 5 stylish pieces of paper with a face value of 200 UAH. And I responsibly inform you that they crunch and the numbers, as you can see, are in order.

      The printing press is running. Money thrown into anti-Maidan and the payment of social debts began to flood the economy. Amid a rapid decline in GDP and a decrease in budget revenues. All Ukrainians can see what is happening - the government does not negotiate, bargains and is silent about the main thing. The inflation process has just begun, soon even those who have now received their 200 UAH. for participating in the rally they will go out into the street: someone to protest, and someone to rob. The police will no longer help, the police themselves will need to think about how to survive.

      I do not believe in deities, but God grant Ukraine the strength to survive this without a civil war, without deputies hanging on lampposts.
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 16 December 2013 18: 17
        +2
        Fastblast where the excerpt comes from (if the excerpt)? Throw off the link I want to read everything
      2. kare
        kare 16 December 2013 19: 47
        +2
        Do you bring home pensions? Or barricades?
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  • HAM
    HAM 16 December 2013 16: 32
    +7
    "Euromaidan INGLU buy for the LIVER!
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 19: 25
      +1
      I don’t understand these pi ... x Euromandai schoolchildren, do they have any Mazgs?
  • pensioner
    pensioner 16 December 2013 16: 34
    +6
    Eh ... To me personally in this whole Maidan one thing is very offensive: Ocean Elsi and Vokarchuk are clearly on the side of the Maydan. Well i lovefool their music !! I can not do anything about it request !! Trouble crying.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 16 December 2013 16: 46
      +8
      Don’t be so upset. They are showmen. They are there where the crowd is more crowded. Remember ours. And where are they now? Have worked your salary and again not aisles.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 16 December 2013 16: 53
        +2
        No ... Vokarchuk is ideological ... I saw an interview with him somehow ... And also a physicist ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 21
          +5
          Quote: retired
          Vokarchuk is ideological ... I saw an interview with him somehow ... And also a physicist ...

          Something ideological, but he himself was indignant about EuroMaidan, by the method of its conduct. And he even suggested taking an example from Belarus, specifying that although he is not a fan of the Old Man, he has a lot to learn from him.
    2. shark
      shark 16 December 2013 20: 33
      +2
      It’s necessary to reconcile. I also loved DDT, but after marsh orgies I basically don’t listen
  • Black
    Black 16 December 2013 16: 39
    +3
    The situation falls out of the borders of Ukraine .....
    ..........................................................
    I want to wish all readers happiness in the New Year and prosperity for them and their families.


    Well, nafig ... You could start and finish from the end !!! drinks

    The fact that up to the rating of "tumblers", it seems to me that only the USA should be put in the first place, at number 11. They are afraid of the revival of the power of the USSR, so they scoff.
  • Ross
    Ross 16 December 2013 16: 43
    +5
    Quote: AVV
    Ukraine, this is the Achilles' heel for both the West and Russia !!! If the West joins Ukraine, contrary to the will of the South East, it receives a powder keg at its border so that the barrel does not catch fire and does not explode, it must be extinguished in large quantities which neither Europe nor America has money !!! It is necessary to cancel visas with Ukraine in order to at least interest people, and this is a huge flow of migration, guest workers !!! What Europe can not afford !!! It has Greece and Portugal, and the Baltic countries to the bottom of Europe are pulled and Bulgaria and Romania, including le !!! Yes, and Ukraine itself they need as a territory for the sale of their goods, and not a territory for investment or development, a dime a dozen in the west !!! And the first task of Europe will be to destroy the industrial potential, it does not need Ruslana, Mriy as a competitor of Airbus Air Transport, this is just one example, and there are a lot of them !!! So, the choice is the people of Ukraine !!! And does he need this ???

    All that is happening with Ukraine is a far-reaching move by Obama and the Elite. They need 3 world war! The dollar is in agony, but it went wrong with Syria - it didn’t work out. It is simply impossible not to notice how fussing Washington is now.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 16 December 2013 16: 44
    +3
    So, for example, Ukrainian bloggers see the future of Ukraine

    Ukrainian bloggers are too optimistic. They forgot about the good European neighbors who, unlike Russia, will not miss the chance to snatch a piece for themselves.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 December 2013 18: 21
      +3
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Ukrainian bloggers are too optimistic. They forgot about the good European neighbors who, unlike Russia, will not miss the chance to snatch a piece for themselves.

      True, they completely forgot to mention Hungary and Romania.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2013 16: 45
    +4
    In Kiev, the NEOFASIS prepare to shed a lot of blood:
    The underground base of fighters on the Maidan

    Officially, it is believed that three buildings have been seized in the center of Kiev - the city hall, the Federation of Trade Unions and the October Palace. Also, according to the deputy opposition candidate Parubiya, "5-7 thousand activists are resting in residential buildings around the Maidan, and are ready to arrive at the first signal."
    In fact, under the control of the militants there is another metropolitan facility - the Globus shopping center. Its underground level is adjacent to the metro station "Independence Square". At night, the Maidan dungeon turns into a real training base for the militias of the rebellion.
    On the upper tiers of the TVC are expensive salons Lagerfeld, Baldinini, Mark Aurel, etc. According to Globe employees, by mutual agreement with the Central Headquarters of National Resistance Maydanuty, there is no access to these elite levels. But the lower tier, from where there is direct access to the metro, where trade is simpler and youth-oriented young fashion and food court restaurants work, is “given to the rebels”.
    Every night, right under the Maidan, there are training sessions for new groups arriving from Western Ukraine. Special instructors teach young people and adult men how to get away from the persecution and attack the police.
    They give out swimming goggles, which are especially convenient when attacking with tear gas, and a flying frisbee disk - a plastic round piece with a diameter of 25 cm. The disks are attached under the clothes on the back and chest. There are mountains of construction helmets. You can get sports protection for the legs and arms.
    But such protection is sheer nonsense compared to the bundles of long and thick sticks called flagpoles. For the view of the sticks, they really put on yellow-blakitny state ensigns and black and red UPA banners. However, in the street real it is a formidable and dangerous weapon.
    Sticks are made in Lviv furniture production from beech - especially solid, strong wood, similar in density to oak. Right in the "Globe" form the so-called “Battle dvіyki” - an action movie equipped with spray cans, plus “warrant officer”. The tactics are as follows: the attackers blindfold with transparent plastic visors on the Golden Eagle helmets. And when the commandos throws back the painted over visor, a sharp jab of the flagpole will immediately follow him in the face.
    Such a blow almost immediately puts a person out of action. The blunt end of a beech stick, caught in an unprotected face, breaks the bones of the nose, eyebrows, knocks out the cheekbones and jaws.
    Even if it was not possible to paint over the visor, the instructors assure them that they were “great warlords”: hit the special forces with a bayonet strike in the face, on the transparent plastic - and the visor will crack. Examples are given of the last battle at Bankovaya, when the helmets of the "Golden Eagle" were broken in half from abandoned pieces of the curb. By and large, the equipment of the Ukrainian security forces is worthless ... (continued further)
  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2013 16: 48
    +5
    Another know-how of Maidan 2013 is large store firecrackers with tied nails and bottle glass. Upon a successful hit, the fragments break through the police uniform. So it was during a fight in front of the Bessarabian market, at the monument to Lenin, when dozens of security officers were injured by improvised grenades. The police had to retreat and wait for reinforcements.
    The action at Bessarabka was led by deputy Andriy Tyagnibok - the younger brother of the leader of the "Freedom" and the Crimean free man Leonov, now the "commandant" of Kievrad. At night, the plasma screens of the bars of the lower tier of the Globe carefully watch the footage of these recent events. Groups of young people pass into the basement through metal shutter doors. What is happening behind them is unknown.
    If you go from the TVC to the metro - behind the glass of one of the closed retail shops you can see a pile of strange objects packed in black plastic. A piece of plastic is bent over - and you can take apart the wooden handles of a sledgehammer.
    A strong feeling that the city is preparing trouble. And here is one more significant detail: from Kiev trading networks, whose owners sympathize with the anti-government coup, “sokiri lisoruba” - Chinese axes with long axes, modern copies of the Viking’s lethal weapons have practically disappeared. Hitting such sokirs is guaranteed to break the Berkut shields.
    ... On the morning of December 5, the next batch of revolutionary activists of Galicia, another two thousand people arrived at the House of Trade Unions. It would seem, not surprising, zapadentsy replenish the Maidan every day.
    However, this group was special. Its backbone is medical workers, who immediately began to equip the hospital at the Central Headquarters of the Resistance.
    The hospital received a set of analgesic antishock agents, droppers, disposable surgical kits, tires for broken limbs. They are ready to help with polytrauma and maxillofacial injuries. Student volunteers from Ivano-Frankivsk National Medical University immediately volunteered to assist Lviv doctors.
    This is exactly what happens when training for the start of hostilities. No one explains why all this is for a “peaceful protest." Today's revolutionaries are overflowing with the inspired energy of the Bandera caches. Is it very likely that war is beginning in Kiev !?
    Valery Shcherbakov // OKO PLANETA
    http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/zakulisa/5010.php
    Threat. This material was sent to the author from the Union of Soviet Officers.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 December 2013 16: 50
    +2
    The third world war over Ukraine is a bust. America and the European Union are not as stupid as they seem. This, in principle, cannot be. Ukraine will not fall into pieces. Well, not all the same they went crazy there. There are sober-minded people who will not allow this. Joining part of (hypothetically) disintegrated Ukraine will be a huge geostrategic mistake of Russia. Therefore, this will never happen. And why is it needed. I am sure: we will learn how to be good neighbors with Ukrainians.
    The criterion of truth has always been practice. Let Ukraine join the European Union. And the future will put everything in its place.
    1. 222222
      222222 16 December 2013 17: 48
      +7
      "The collapse of Ukraine - a springboard for the Third World War"

      ..the collapse of states is usually after wars .. as a result of wars ..
      ..world wars, including a possible third. ... because of the depressing state of the US Federal Reserve..and their trillion-dollar debts ..
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 16 December 2013 18: 06
      -5
      Yes, God bless your ears, but there are too many adventurers and fascists in Russia. They themselves will drown in g ..., but they will climb to a neighbor
      1. dddym
        16 December 2013 19: 04
        +6
        Russia intervenes least of all. And here are the Poles, Latvians, etc. already at the level of government delegations
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      3. ebrd
        ebrd 16 December 2013 20: 28
        +3
        Quote: Walker1975
        Yes, God bless your ears, but there are too many adventurers and fascists in Russia. They themselves will drown in g ..., but they will climb to a neighbor

        Where do Russians climb to you ?? give an example of such a case! ... but when Saakashvili, McCain and a bunch of other euro bureaucrats are speaking on the Maidan --- that's fine !! ... cookies are distributed, and you send them broken English - !! shame! !!
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 16 December 2013 20: 41
          +1
          Klitschko in his LJ- "I got goosebumps when I stood next to the US Senator." This is he about McCain
          1. dddym
            16 December 2013 20: 46
            +1
            Well done :))) Ku! :)))
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 16 December 2013 20: 47
            0
            Quote: Den 11
            Klitschko in his LJ- "U me


            Dan .. as always on the beat laughing where I dug up this)))) he can’t use his tongue .. just a blow ... from the left ... in the face wassat By the way .. being in Germany .. the Germans said that he is well spoken, but the emphasis is terrible))))))
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 16 December 2013 21: 02
              +1
              Hi buddy! So he also has German citizenship. But without knowledge of the language, he will not be able to ride. And English is so, to communicate with McCain (as he can)
          3. old rocket man
            old rocket man 16 December 2013 21: 02
            +2
            Quote: Den 11
            Klitschko in his LJ- "I got goosebumps when I stood next to the US Senator." This is he about McCain


            Gee-y-y, yaky garne rural boy, imagine him president laughing laughing laughing
            Laughing out loud
          4. Garrin
            Garrin 16 December 2013 21: 08
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            Klitschko in his LJ- "I got goosebumps when I stood next to the US Senator." This is he about McCain

            A photo on an Internet walks where he and his bro are attached to each other, and you see, the old Zh.O.P. McCain was more excited.
          5. Corsair
            Corsair 17 December 2013 02: 03
            0
            Quote: Den 11
            Klitschko in his LJ- "I got goosebumps when I stood next to the US Senator." This is he about McCain

            Quote from a not-so-decent joke:
            "Oh, how big HE is, already goosebumps run! ... I know these yours "goosebumps - ma *** lice"get dressed!"
        2. Walker1975
          Walker1975 16 December 2013 22: 03
          0
          They have been writing to you about Maidan for a long time - if Putin wants to, then let him come to the Maidan and tell him frankly what they think about him. Regarding cookies, are you envious? Are you hungry? Does saliva drip on the keyboard? Do you have a qiwi wallet? I’ll send you the cost of a packet of cookies.

          And about the climb ... We have half the city for a long time hung (interesting for whose money) Putin’s posters. Your news did not pay so much attention to your unrest in Arzamas as a rally on the Maidan - for you in another country. I'm not talking about economic blackmail. The EU, for example, did not announce that if Ukraine joins the Taiga Union, it will stop buying Ukrainian goods, do not throw people out of trains, just do not stop all the trucks for a full customs inspection ... You’re not just climbing, you are overwhelmed with intelligence donkeys and grace of an elephant in a china shop :)
          1. Ribwort
            Ribwort 16 December 2013 22: 31
            +1
            Quote: Walker1975
            The EU, for example, did not announce that if Ukraine joins the Taiga Union, it will stop buying Ukrainian goods

            laughing What does the EU buy from you? Announce the list, please, so, for fun.
          2. xan
            xan 17 December 2013 00: 29
            +1
            Quote: Walker1975
            They have been writing to you about Maidan for a long time - if Putin wants to, then let him come to the Maidan and tell him frankly what they think about him.

            Yeah, let clowns like McCain and Ashton hang out on your maidan.
            Quote: Walker1975
            I'm not talking about economic blackmail. The EU, for example, did not announce that if Ukraine joins the Taiga Union, it will stop buying Ukrainian goods, do not throw people out of trains, just do not stop all the trucks for a full customs inspection ... You’re not just climbing, you are overwhelmed with intelligence donkeys and grace elephant in a china shop

            Here, a hundred times frayed about the economy. Does it come to you tight? Or IQ does not allow to be cut?
            The fact that especially gifted propogandons are called economic blackmail is called a rearrangement of Ukraine on conditions common to EU countries.
            Yes, and about the intellect made fun. This is like an assessment of the mind from the demented.
            Give examples of Ukrainian intelligence, otherwise I’m not able to find
      4. xan
        xan 17 December 2013 00: 18
        0
        Quote: Walker1975
        They themselves will drown in g ..., but they will climb to a neighbor

        In the meantime, independent Ukrainian-Europeans are drowning in the city.
      5. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 17 December 2013 05: 11
        0
        So far, only the European Union and the Americans are climbing to you. Russia is only watching.
        Walker1975 Do you hate Russia so much?
    3. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 20: 04
      +6
      Well, I do not! Fuck them, not Ukraine. Let’s give everyone around Russia to the EU economy working on NATO, and on NATO we will remain alone, completely surrounded on all sides.
      Do you even think what you are saying? Or do you specially write such nonsense to please the West? Give Ukraine-tomorrow-tomorrow-me-Belarus, then someone else, then they will remind about Chechnya and will get to Moscow. Not one step back! And so the whole USSR was drained, again on the same rake?
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 16 December 2013 20: 49
        +5
        Quote: Alex Danilov
        tomorrow-me-belarus

        Chur..Belarus not to touch!))) If that, we will help to beat back)))))
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 16 December 2013 21: 04
          +3
          That's for sure. I won’t tear for Old Man, because of simple Belarusian women!
          1. alone
            alone 16 December 2013 22: 37
            +4
            I can join! Do you need a machine gunner?
            1. xan
              xan 17 December 2013 00: 39
              0
              Quote: lonely
              I can join! Do you need a machine gunner?

              I will interrogate prisoners
              My daughter teaches English.
              1. Lesnik
                Lesnik 17 December 2013 00: 45
                0
                Kind you "interrogate" laughing what else is said "to the garden" means to the garden laughing
  • morpogr
    morpogr 16 December 2013 16: 53
    +4
    Yes, the scenarios in Ukraine are one of the worst, and if a divorce takes place in different apartments in this country, then let it be peaceful, you don’t want to side by side have a country where there is a civil war. And on the situation in Syria, we see that those who want to warm their hands on someone else’s mountain in the west under the guise of democracy and geyropeyskih values ​​missing.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 16 December 2013 16: 56
    +4
    The third world war over Ukraine? yes give up. complete garbage.
    Even if you attach that. swallowed do not choke. Who said for example that Crimea is the territory of Ukraine. One stroke of a pen Khrushchev? Such topics let the shit better
  • shitovmg
    shitovmg 16 December 2013 16: 57
    +4
    Let's hope Ukraine doesn’t reach suicide!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 24
      +3
      Quote: shitovmg
      Let's hope Ukraine doesn’t reach suicide!

      Svoboda leader Oleg Tyagnibok believes that the authorities do not intend to resolve the political crisis peacefully, as evidenced by the falsification of elections in five constituencies. He stated this, speaking at a rally on the Independence Square. "We do not recognize these elections and we understand that the authorities do not intend to peacefully regulate this process, and all round tables are fiction," he said. "The authorities want war, and they will get it, but they will not win it," Tyagnibok stressed. In addition, he is convinced that if Viktor Yanukovych during his visit to Russia signs some important documents that contradict the will of the Ukrainian people, this will be the last straw that will overwhelm the patience. "I want to prepare you for a very serious struggle," the politician said.
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133783.html
      1. Babon
        Babon 16 December 2013 17: 51
        0
        I’m wondering, and in what districts does he believe that there was a falsification?
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 16 December 2013 18: 01
          +1
          Quote: Babon
          and in what districts does he believe that there was a falsification?

          It is today that by-elections are being held in problematic constituencies, which they could not count in the last elections. Svobodovtsy lose almost everywhere - 5 constituencies, And they immediately began to shout "falsification"
      2. xan
        xan 17 December 2013 00: 44
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        "The authorities want war, and they will get it, but they will not win it," Tyagnibok stressed.

        Bandurist Tyagnibok is weak-minded.
        The war in Ukraine can only be won by Russia, and with little blood, if not she starts it.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 16 December 2013 16: 58
    -3
    SS-20, Poplar-M to fight! and so it’s all crap of course.
    1. nikcris
      nikcris 16 December 2013 17: 22
      0
      How's that for a fight? You are the grandson of Khrushchev, I guessed right?
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 16 December 2013 17: 36
        +1
        we don’t understand humor, we put a minus and go further, what article is this and a review.
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  • saag
    saag 16 December 2013 16: 59
    +1
    Tomorrow will be seen - a meeting of representatives of Ukraine and Russia with the possible signing of some documents
  • Platov
    Platov 16 December 2013 17: 06
    -2
    To see how my mother is ready to sell her own mother for a piece of an expired liver and not the head of an independent state is ready to do anything. I would really not like to fraternize with him. Let the square die in the open spaces of the geyropa.
    1. kare
      kare 16 December 2013 20: 02
      0
      Who is non-land? liver, or Ukraine?
    2. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 20: 13
      +5
      She, damn it, will not disappear, she will come to you with Poles and NATO. Why do you write nonsense, don’t you see? The whole Baltic Sea is in NATO, Poland, Syria, and Afghanistan with drug trafficking fields at hand. Do you think that giving Ukraine away will it disappear? Yes, it will perish like our ally, damn you. And it will return under the banner of others behind you.
  • Ross
    Ross 16 December 2013 17: 10
    +1
    Quote: ctepx
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Ukraine is not enough, then this is a decent leadership.

    But nobody asks Ukraine. European integrators too. The hoteliers of the EU and Ukraine are understandable, quickly banging the agreement, using the existing bilateral agreements between Ukraine and Russia, to turn Ukraine into a transit duty-free pipe. Such a scheme allowed to ruin both Russia and Ukraine, for their own money. Putin broke this little scheme)).
    But the real customers of the situation are the Anglo-Saxons. A (further repetition of the post STEPX from 9 December 2013 12: 00) "They need urgent debt cancellation. To do this, they need a world war -" everyone who wants "against Russia. It is impossible to educate Hitler from the caliphate, from the Poles - there is little time. Ukraine is suitable as a battlefield. The probability of Russia being drawn into the conflict is 100% ...
    While Russia is floundering at its borders, you can play the Syrian and Japanese-Chinese cards again. In principle, apart from the war, they have no other choice)) ".
    The real struggle is for or against the implementation of such a scenario.

    And here is the latest news in favor of your opinion:
    Ukraine can count on NATO support in case of encroachment on its sovereignty and territorial integrity.

    This was stated by Marcin Kozhiel, Director of the NATO Office in Ukraine, during the Post-Vilnius discussion club.

    “We are closely monitoring the situation in Ukraine, condemning the use of excessive force against peaceful protesters. We urge all parties to refrain from violence. We urge Ukraine, as chair of the OSCE, to adhere to democratic standards, ”he said.

    Link: http://warfiles.ru/show-44399-nato-obeschaet-podderzhku-ukraine-dlya-zaschity-ce
    lostnosti.html
  • nikcris
    nikcris 16 December 2013 17: 19
    -1
    Russia does not need any Ukraine. Nah is not needed. People living there are needed. This is about the same as the Germans.
  • sashka
    sashka 16 December 2013 17: 30
    +4
    They just drowned and calmed down for Georgia. I don’t think that they will climb to fight for Ukraine.
  • agbykov
    agbykov 16 December 2013 17: 32
    13
    Diary of the writer F.M. Dostoevsky. September - December 1877 of the year: “... according to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will never have, and never have had, such haters, envious people, slanderers, and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, just their Russia liberate, and Europe will agree to recognize them liberated! And do not mind me, do not dispute, do not shout at me that I am exaggerating and that I am a hater of the Slavs! On the contrary, I love the Slavs very much, but I won’t defend myself either, because I know that everything will come true exactly like I say, and not because of the low, ungrateful, as if, character of the Slavs - they have a character in this sense, like everyone else, namely because such things in the world cannot happen otherwise. They will begin, upon liberation, their new life, I repeat, precisely from what they beg for from Europe, from England and Germany, for example, the guarantee and protection of their freedom, and even in a concert of the European powers there will be Russia, but they are in protection from Russia will do so. They will certainly begin with the fact that inside themselves, if not directly out loud, they will announce to themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia with the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they could hardly escape from the power of Russia during the conclusion of the peace by the intervention of a European concert, and not if Europe had intervened, Russia would have swallowed them right away, “having in mind the expansion of borders and the foundation of the great All-Slavic empire on the enslavement of the Slavs by a greedy, cunning and barbaric Great Russian tribe”.

    Maybe a whole century, or even more, they will constantly tremble for their freedom and fear the power of Russia; they will curry favor with European states, they will slander Russia, gossip on it and intrigue against it. Oh, I'm not talking about individuals: there will be those who understand what it means, and therefore Russia will always mean to them. But these people, especially at the beginning, will appear in such a miserable minority that they will be subjected to ridicule, hatred and even political persecution. It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express and trumpet the whole world that they are educated tribes capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbaric country, gloomy northern colossus, not even of pure Slavic blood, persecutor and hater of European civilization. They, of course, will have, from the very beginning, constitutional governance, parliaments, responsible ministers, speakers, speeches. They will be extremely comforted and delighted. They will be delighted, reading telegrams in Parisian and London newspapers informing the whole world that after a long parliamentary storm the ministry finally fell into (... a country to taste ...) and a new liberal majority was formed and that some of them (... surname to taste ...) finally agreed to accept the portfolio of the President of the Council of Ministers. Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush to Europe with rapture, before they lose their identity, they will become infected with European forms, political and social, and in this way they will have to go through a whole and long period of Europeanism before comprehending anything its Slavic significance and its special Slavic calling in the midst of mankind. Between themselves, these zemstvos will always quarrel, forever envy each other and intrigue against each other. Of course, in the moment of some serious disaster, they all will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hate, gossip and slander Europe, flirting with her and assuring her of love, they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, and not before) that Europe was a natural enemy of their unity, they will always remain, and that if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, restrains their integrity and unity ... ”
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 16 December 2013 18: 05
      +4
      Here, the man was really smart!
  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 33
    +6
    A small self-government summit was held in the capital of the Lublin Voivodeship, which borders on Ukraine, in which the leaders of the partner cities of Lublin — Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Lutsk, Rivne and Ternopol — took part. The Secretary of the Lviv City Council Vasily Pavlyuk read a statement from the City Council sent to the European Parliament. "I want to thank the Poles, the Polish people and their government, the President of Poland for helping the Ukrainians now, and I hope that this cooperation between our cities, despite the events in Ukraine, will continue, we will continue to be brothers and neighbors. because Ukrainians today most of all hope for the Poles, because no one else helps us today like Poland. We want to ask Polish politicians in the European Union to pay attention to Ukraine, so that the doors for it will not be closed for the future. the government or the President will never be high-ranking officials, while Ukrainians want to join the EU, they want to live in a democratic state, "Vasyl Pavlyuk noted. Representatives of the cities of Western Ukraine spoke in favor of the European Union and noted that in many cities the flags of the European Union were hung alongside the Ukrainian flags. Lublin President Krzysztof Zhuk assured the guests from Ukraine of the great support they can count on. "They can count on us that we will support them, we will support the European aspirations of Ukraine, and the presence of Polish MEPs at the meeting confirms this," said Krzysztof Zhuk.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133725.html
    xxxxx
    And the Poles are already rubbing their hands !!!
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 16 December 2013 18: 36
      +7
      Yes, these local authorities have already hesitated. I am about Lviv and IvanoFrankovskaya. Recalled themselves kings. THEN they advertise TS-anti-state. Happy relations with Poland. Explicit violations of local government.
      What is strange ... that Odessa there Simferopol Kharkiv Lugansk and others would at least once recognize the EU advertising as anti-state?) And "relations"
      You can not listen to them .. these regions are not distinguished by value. Shouting from them is of little use. Drive a bolt and do your job.
      Damn was in Lviv many times, people like people. I can’t understand that they are just people in words, but they look the same. Although I would not preach this principle. The authorities are still prostitutes ... this does not mean that the majority are for them.
      Silence is gold. Southeast again I repeat - WORKS. We have New Year's work days - when the schedules double. A lot of work needs to be done. In Odessa, I can’t say at all that the country is doing something on the Maidan. Everyone is working hard making plans. About Kiev, some jokes and stories about how to freeze your eggs for 200 UAH, and cure for 2000
      1. Alex Danilov
        Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 20: 24
        0
        About eggs and maidan-uplifted mood, however.
      2. xan
        xan 17 December 2013 00: 53
        0
        Quote: Cristall
        About Kiev, some jokes and stories about how to freeze your eggs for 200 UAH, and cure for 2000

        This is one student from Kiev who wrote about his gesheft on the Maidan in the internet: "I earned 250 grams in a day. In a fight with Berkut, I broke my phone for 2000 grams and received a lyulya. It took 350 grams for treatment."
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 16 December 2013 21: 13
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      And the Poles are already rubbing their hands !!!

      They apparently forgot with what passion the ancestors of the current population of the "partner cities of Lublin" slaughtered the Poles when the z / u was part of Poland. And the Banderstats themselves "forgot" how they tried to get "independence" from Poland. What kind of amnesia is this, I thought it only happens in Brazilian TV shows ...
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 16 December 2013 17: 35
    +1
    here is a sane view of "Euromaidan": a series of articles at http://www.transpress.kiev.ua/
  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 35
    +1
    And at the same time, they are trying to provoke violent dissatisfaction with Kiev and Eastern Ukraine in the memory! Although, pay attention to how much money is swelling in there!
    The chairman of the Lviv Regional State Administration Oleg Salo said that the planned decision of the regional council to deprive the regional state administration of delegated powers to it is illegal. This was reported by the polemic correspondent. “Deprived of authority, the next day all funding is closed, the treasury is closed. What articles to send money to? Tomorrow we will not pay pensions, nor wages we will not pay. Who will be responsible for this? Where is the common sense? ” - asked Salo. According to him, the Lviv Regional State Administration will not allow such a situation, and if necessary, it will appeal the decision of the regional council. As noted in the RSA, now the budget system in the Lviv region operates as usual. In the local budgets of the region there is no overdue debt for the payment of salaries to employees of budgetary institutions, assistance to families with children and caring for the disabled. According to the results of the working meetings of the head of the Regional State Administration in the Ministry of Finance and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Lviv region additionally received UAH 166 million from the state budget for wages in the budget sphere, and UAH 50 million for the payment of assistance to families with children and the care of disabled people. Recall that on the agenda of tomorrow's meeting of the session of the Lviv Regional Council will include a draft decision that provides for the selection of some executive functions from the Lviv Regional State Administration, as well as create your own executive committee. Among the proposals - the eviction of the RSA from the premises of the regional council. Previously, the Ivano-Frankivsk Regional Council made the decision to deprive the RSA of delegated authority.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133765.html
  • individual
    individual 16 December 2013 17: 37
    +7
    Ukrainian chronicles of the search for statehood:
    In 1323 was Lithuanian prince Gediminas defeated Kiev prince Stanislav on the Irpen river.
    The ancestors of Ukrainians and Belarusians formed the basis of the new state - the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Russia.
    In 1654g. in Pereyaslavl at a meeting of the popular Council of Zaporizhzhya Cossacks decided to transfer Ukraine under the high arm of the Russian Orthodox Tsar. Before that, 300 years Ukrainian lands were part of the Polish-Lithuanian state.
    Cossacks and peasants, led by Bohdan Khmelnitsky, fought against Poland, but did not succeed and asked Russia for help and protectorate.
    1669g. Hetman of Right-Bank Ukraine Petro Doroshenko attempted integration into the Turkish Empire.
    As a result of popular disagreement, he surrendered to the Russian troops.
    1708g. Hetman Mazepa, seeking power, entered into an agreement with the Swedish king Charles XII. In 1709 the Swedes were defeated near Poltava and Mazepa fled.
    1918g. Hetman Pavel Skoropadsky came to power in Kiev with the support of German occupiers.
    As soon as Germany lost the war, the hetman fled to Berlin.
    Further, Ukraine will not decide how to go to it.
  • tasey
    tasey 16 December 2013 17: 41
    +2
    I agree with the author that disintegration is possible. Along the Dnieper and Crimea. A war, especially a full-scale one, is unlikely. Too well fed in Europe live to "fight". The European Union needs donor territories, because soon it will be difficult to feed its inhabitant at the same level ...
  • homosum20
    homosum20 16 December 2013 17: 42
    +5
    Thank you, bore drunk. To hiccup in the next world. Our great-grandfathers-great-grandfathers created this country, and this TV.ary with one stroke of the pen destroyed the results of their lives. As for Ukraine, every nation deserves its own destiny and you won’t be forcibly sweet. Let them live as they want. I think their children will appreciate the contribution of parents to their happy future and will thank them accordingly.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 20: 30
      +1
      If we make out, their children will come to you tomorrow with NATO.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 42
    +3
    The third world ... hardly! But Russia can get such a "good" hot spot close by! especially if NATO at the call of the "democratic forces" begins to "help"! After all, they will rush to Sevastopol first of all!
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 16 December 2013 19: 04
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      The third world ... hardly! But Russia can get such a "good" hot spot close by! especially if NATO at the call of the "democratic forces" begins to "help"! After all, they will rush to Sevastopol first of all!

      Nothing will happen .... tomorrow Yanyk will sign contracts (until he joins the CU ..) orders money will go The people will start to work and receive a salary (and not for growing a bulb, etc.) Ukrainian engineers and workers have missed real creative work for the future and confidence in the future! Then you can really shout and wave flags "GLORY TO UKRAINE!" I myself will personally go to Red Square with the flag of Ukraine and Russia and the poster "Thank God we are together!" that's it..
      1. Alex Danilov
        Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 20: 34
        0
        God forbid, as a spokesman. Let them immediately sign a vehicle that pulls a cat by the balls. And we will be calm that they have legalized everything, ours will be calm and they will work even when working on the stove.
    2. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 16 December 2013 21: 11
      0
      you don’t really take off to Sevastopol))) The Black Sea Fleet must first be sank and this is a direct attack on a nuclear power
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 16 December 2013 17: 46
    +1
    There will be no 3 world because of Ukraine, relax, it needs a more serious reason and the participation of China, moreover, as an aggressor, well, or at least it should be exposed as an aggressor.
    1. dddym
      16 December 2013 19: 09
      +1
      oh oh ... The reasons for both the first and second were very insignificant and flared up so that it blazed very well.
      1. Bezarius
        Bezarius 16 December 2013 22: 45
        0
        However, now the concept of warfare has changed, this time the Europeans will not start a fire under their nose. If where 3 will be world, it is in Asia.
    2. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 16 December 2013 20: 35
      0
      And meanwhile, and meanwhile, in Syria they still shoot.
  • Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 16 December 2013 17: 47
    +1
    I wonder at you, gentlemen, comrades. No one in their right mind would go to the deployment of forces, so that it would be considered 3MB, for.
    And the collapse of Ukraine will not be. Because the EU needs precisely the Eastern part and Kirim, which really keep the country's economy at least at some level. The impoverished West has not misunderstood Europeans, because there is no money left with them, and there will be another wave of migrations. Moreover, in Europe now it’s so sad as right-wing and anti-European centrists are gaining strength. To them, the current course of the Union is like another brick to the drowned man.
    Our section right now also does not need. On the nose of the Olympics, after it default is theoretically possible (pah-pah, but that's another story). So, he’s also grabbing his own problems, and if you happen to join someone, just imagine what a huge thousand should be spent on this very union!
    So the negative article, Dmitry’s opinion is some kind of unreasonable alarmism and fantasies
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 16 December 2013 18: 14
      -4
      What are you telling stories? The East receives subsidies from the budget twice as much as it gives to the budget. Where it is necessary to push the next regional or his son into deputies, funds are sharply rushed from the budget, and then all local television shows: Azarov Jr. opened a playground, Yanukovych Jr. opened the competition. And do not care that the "juniors" themselves and the hryvnia from personal money for these discoveries were not allocated. Oh yes ... it is also desirable that the younger ones stand with mugs-bricks - in their understanding, this creates an opinion among the electorate about their statesmanship. And then they will open their mouths - they will have to cut out frank morons, but still something will get on YouTube.
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 16 December 2013 18: 35
        +3
        I ask you to note that Donbass, metallurgy and read about half, if not more, of the industry there.
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 16 December 2013 22: 12
          +1
          Yes, there is industry there, but one BUT - it belongs to Yanukovych, Akhmetov, Firtash and several other sponsors of the regions party, and therefore all the income from them goes to Crimea, taking taxes from them is not a kid. Right now Donetsk is freezing - globally the pipes have burst, the next miners have died somewhere ... And there is only one zap - you cannot attribute it to the "orange" ones.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 17 December 2013 00: 33
            0
            typo ... proceeds go to Crete.
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 16 December 2013 19: 13
        -4
        Quote: Walker1975
        What do you tell tales?


        Do not be surprised this is something from the category of this

        laughing
        1. alone
          alone 16 December 2013 22: 41
          0
          Quote: Clegg
          Do not be surprised this is something from the category of this


          laughing I was especially surprised about gay Muslims. If the one who did it would know how gay people are punished in Islam))) if the one who is Muslim and he is gay, death is immediately in place !! and any way of killing is available !!
      3. old rocket man
        old rocket man 17 December 2013 01: 16
        0
        Quote: Walker1975
        The East receives twice as much subsidy from the budget as it gives in


        Wow, how interesting laughing As I understand it, the budget is replenished by the West, I wonder at the expense of what? Were you there for an hour in hemp?
    2. dddym
      16 December 2013 19: 11
      +1
      I do not deny - fantasies - I even speak directly about it, if you have not forgotten how to read carefully. Alarmism? No, just thinking. Your article can be much less alarmist - go for it
  • Egoza
    Egoza 16 December 2013 17: 51
    +1
    The people's deputy from Party of Regions Vadim Kolesnichenko is indignant at actions of European integrators. He believes that unrest in the country is a manifestation of Nazism. Kolesnichenko noted that “Freedom” as a hotbed of Nazism needed to be stopped, even when it developed and grew. The people's deputy is indignant at the interference of foreign politicians in the situation in Ukraine. "If Polish politicians put up tents on the Maidan, spend the night with bandits, this suggests that they simply want to destroy us," said the people's deputy. “Tame dogs that eat cookies from their hands, they are there, on Independence Square, which used to be called the Goat Swamp, let them bark and bounce there. And Ukraine has machine tools, it works, ”the People's Deputy added. “A bunch of scum with weapons is now seizing power, but it will not pass. Even if they take the Cabinet, their decisions and orders will remain only on paper, in the territory of their offices. All of Ukraine is against such a seizure, even Western, ”said Kolesnichenko.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133779.html
    xxxxx
    In vain Kolesnichenko hopes that ZU will be against it. They will support "with all their heart", with the exception of a small part of people who today remain communists and regionalists, despite the intimidation of the bandits.
  • wax
    wax 16 December 2013 17: 54
    0
    Ukraine is zero in the global economy. Therefore, because of Ukraine, the hot third world war will not begin.
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 16 December 2013 18: 08
    +5
    Quote: Krasnoarmeec
    Ukraine, this is the Achilles' heel for both the West and Russia !!! If the West annexes Ukraine, contrary to the will of the South East, it receives a powder keg at its border so that the barrel does not catch fire and does not explode, it must be extinguished in large quantities which neither Europe nor America has any money !!!


    And who said that the West needs a calm and developing Ukraine?!?!? Just the same, they need a powder keg near Russia, which simply must explode (in any case, this will only make them happy) !!!!!!!!
    Or do you really think that someone there is worried about a bright and without a poor future for ordinary Ukrainians ??!?!?

    Ukraine, the geyropa and the amers need just as an attack against Russia, and of course, as the bridgehead of NATO, and even if people die out, it’s even better for the geyropa, otherwise they have nowhere to put their own.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 16 December 2013 18: 59
      0
      And will someone explain why she is to us? In my opinion, Putin is simply trying to sell for what is not expensive, he put the buyer in an unsightly light all over the world, and quite successfully.
      Tomorrow they will be given a loan in Moscow on the security of the necessary enterprises and gas transportation facilities, they will pierce it, and there’s nothing more to take there
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  • nikcris
    nikcris 16 December 2013 18: 12
    +2
    Right now I am watching "Star" - the minister tells sweets, but WHAT is on his shoulder straps?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 December 2013 18: 43
    +4
    As soon as Ukraine disintegrates, Russia will have to add, although according to some democratic standards, part of Ukraine - and the howls of the Westerners will immediately rise. Russia will be presented with an ultimatum
    It’s not yet evening .. And we don’t need Ukraine in pieces! Too much blood (joint) has been shed on this fertile and long-suffering land ... Ukraine is Russia are not divisible! We are one people .. I think so and all these banderlogs will soon scatter across gritting my crevices .. I'm sure of it!
  • saz69rus
    saz69rus 16 December 2013 18: 47
    +2
    Do not give a damn about the howling of Westerners, as they say, "the dog howls, the wind carries." And we need to act according to the principle "And Vaska listens, but eats."
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 16 December 2013 18: 48
    +2
    Quote: Фкенщь13
    And with the Tatars we have long been on the way.

    This is very good, but it would be even better if the Tatars were on the way with us
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 16 December 2013 18: 56
      +2
      Yes "Russified" the Tatars, while not losing their culture. I speak for my relatives. Believe me, there will be a storm of thieves, they will tear everyone for Russia too. I know this, because for 20 years they have been in the same team
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 16 December 2013 19: 03
        -1
        Quote: Den 11
        Yes, the Tatars "Russified"

        No one doubts it
  • Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 16 December 2013 18: 54
    +1
    The roof went completely fool already added to the third world, so really the dream of reason gives rise to monsters
    1. dddym
      16 December 2013 19: 27
      0
      It is generally accepted that the Sarajevo assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand as the Serbian nationalist Gavrila Principle is considered to be a direct occasion for the outbreak of hostilities.

      On August 31, the German press reported: "... on Thursday at about 20:XNUMX the premises of the radio station in Gleiwitz were seized by the Poles." The "Glaivet incident" was the trigger for the outbreak of the war.

      On September 1 at 4 hours of 45 minutes, a German training ship, an obsolete battleship Schleswig-Holstein, arrived in Danzig with a friendly visit and was enthusiastically welcomed by the local population, opens fire on Polish fortifications on Westerplatte. Armed forces of Germany invade Poland. In the hostilities on the side of Germany, Slovakian troops take part.

      As you can see, the reasons for these bloody wars are also abnormal. request
  • Kotlin12
    Kotlin12 16 December 2013 18: 55
    +1
    Yes, the integration of Ukraine into the European Union is needed by the states, the euro will be cut, and the buck will rise, the main thing in this matter is that it doesn’t smell gunpowder, otherwise you can’t go to the Crimea in the summer, and this is already a disaster.
  • rocketman
    rocketman 16 December 2013 19: 02
    0
    Quote: AVV
    She doesn’t need Ruslana,

    Gee, Ruslana just forgotten at us in Gay.Rope is very popular ... wassat
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    What Ukraine lacks is a decent leadership.

    That's right ... And de you take it? Just do not say sho choose yourself. Dumb for whom. Our land is plentiful and rich, but there is no order in our heads. Come and rule us. Here and climb all and sundry. From the Varangians to the present day.
    Quote: GDP
    You can not hear the voices of eastern Ukraine and even Crimea completely. If they are so pro-Russian then why are they silent? We would support them if they were not silent ...

    But they are not silent. They are just silent about them. Yesterday I spoke with my mother (Donetsk). She said that everyone in Donetsk is sure - they just sign with the EEC - the region is immediately separated. Who knows about this?
    Quote: ele1285
    Well, I don’t want to stick with "Galicia", and now what?

    And I do not want to. But what if they are everywhere here?
    Quote: Babon
    I’m wondering, and in what districts does he believe that there was a falsification?

    You are stupid! Yes, in all where their candidates have not won! Well this is a classic - "We will win the next elections! And if not, then this is falsification!
    Quote: Wax
    “Tame dogs that eat cookies from their hands, they are there, on Independence Square, which used to be called the Goat Swamp, let them bark and bounce there. And Ukraine has machine tools, it works, ”the People's Deputy added.

    Correctly said, I, too, was disgusted to look at it!