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Polish special forces thundered all over the world

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Polish special forces thundered all over the world



Polish special forces have always been distinguished by their harsh methods, which not only local mafiosi experienced, but also foreign criminals. Virtually no one has ever managed to get away from him.

These specific units in Poland exist relatively recently. In 70-80's, there were several special units designed either to solve purely military tasks (sabotage, disruption of communications, etc.), or to fight terrorism. However, after the embassy of the PPR in Bern was seized by Polish dissidents in 1982, General Edwin Rozlirski proposed the creation of a new secret military unit to combat the threat of terrorism and other non-traditional threats. But this proposal immediately rejected the army command. But the situation began to worsen. In particular, when mass emigration of Jews from the USSR to Israel began at the end of the 80s, fearing Islamic extremists opposing any increase in immigration to Israel, many Western European countries decided not to assist in the transfer of citizens there. Only Poland provided real assistance in organizing the operation, later called the “Operation Bridge”. This has literally caused a bloody reaction from Arab terrorists. Two Polish diplomats shot dead in Beirut. Lt. Col. Slawomir Petelitsky was immediately sent there to ensure the safety of the movement of the civilian population and the diplomatic mission of Poland. After his return to Poland, he presented a plan to create a special unit within the Ministry of Defense, which will protect Polish citizens in situations similar to the situation in Lebanon. His ideas were well received, and 8 July 1990, a new military unit number 2305, called GROM (Thunder). Petelitsky and became its first commander. It must be said that the decision to create the “Thunder” and similar subdivisions in law enforcement structures was also contributed by another misfortune. At the beginning of the 1980-ies in socialist Poland has developed a difficult socio-political situation. In a number of voivodships, mass protests of workers against the existing order began.

There are about 20 attempts to capture aircraft, of which 8 have proven successful. In those years, Poland ranked first in the world in the number of hijackings. The main reason for the seizures was the desire of many Poles to flee to the West and get political asylum there. Naturally, the state had to respond to this state of affairs. Petelitsky gathered around him a group of like-minded people and professional officers. Due to the high risks associated with the special service, it was decided that all candidates should be professional soldiers. All recruits from the first batch - and there were just over 400 people, came from various already existing special units. The selection was so tough that only a small group of 47 fighters managed to get training based on the experience of the British SAS special forces and psychological tests. Then began a nine-month special training. At the same time, the security of all flights of the national airline LOT was strengthened: each flight was accompanied by 2-3 armed commandos, whose task was precisely to prevent the hijacking of aircraft. This lasted until the 90-s, when the passport and visa regime significantly softened in Poland and the hijacking of aircraft virtually ceased.



One medal at all

In the first few years, “Thunder” was a completely secret unit and hidden from the public. For the first time, the press casually announced it in 1992. The fighters of the detachment began their activities with the detention of the largest criminal authorities in Poland. The criminal authority of Vaclav Vronsky and four of his armed guards was hit first by the GROM. The latter tried to put up armed resistance, and were destroyed. Then others suffered.

Later, the Thunder fighters ensured the safety of Pope John Paul II during his visit to Poland in 1995.

In 1994, one of the detachment's groups is sent to Haiti to help the Americans carry out a military operation. The 55 "thunders", together with the 3 fighters of the US special operations group, ensured the security of several top officials in Haiti, including UN Secretary General Batras Batras-Ghali and US Secretary of Defense William Perry. During one combat operation, they stormed the building, where the militants held the boy hostage. The child was released. There were no casualties among the special forces.

The level of professionalism of the Poles impressed the US colleagues so much that Washington decided to award their commander an army medal of honor. This was the first time in American storieswhen such a high award noted the foreign division.

Then there was the 50 fighter mission "Thunder" at the end of the 90-s in Bosnia. They were used to support the Polish battalion stationed there and were able to prevent unrest by local nationalists suspected of the 1998 war crimes of the year.

Their own forces in the territory of Slovenia carried out the arrest of the war criminal Dokmanovic, also known as the Vukovarsky butcher. During the arrest, his guards resisted, as a result several bodyguards were destroyed. In addition to this operation, there were several more that were carried out in the territory of the former Yugoslavia. In 2000, the fighters of the group conduct several operations in Kosovo. The most notable of them is the liquidation of five Albanian militants in a village in 15 minutes.

In the 2001 year, “mountain thugs” with mountain training were sent to Afghanistan, ostensibly to protect VIPs. In fact, they participated in large military operations, and in particular, in the storming of the powerful Taliban base Tora Bora. And at the beginning of 2002 of the year - in the operation "Anaconda", which was conducted by the Americans. Also, “Thunder” performed tasks in the interests of the Polish armed forces in Afghanistan.



How the Poles "rumbled" in Iraq

In March, 2003, the author of these lines was sent to the Middle East to cover the military operation "Freedom to Iraq." All journalists - and there were only officially accredited under the command of US troops over 2 000 people, were based in Kuwait. And at the beginning of the war, we only knew that American and British units were involved in the fighting. There was also a Czech battalion of chemical and radiation intelligence. It was from his commander that I first heard that, together with the British, near Basra in southern Iraq, in the area of ​​the port of Umm Qasr, Polish special forces were operating. Warsaw in every way hid it. I managed, with the help of a familiar English officer, to get to the Iraqi port. There I was shown the camp of the Poles from the “Thunder” detachment. I already rubbed my hands - found a sensation. But I was ahead of colleagues from Reuters. While I was getting to Kuwait, they published photographs of Polish fighters in Umm Qasr in the local media. Polish Defense Minister Jerzy Shmaydzinsky was forced to declare 24 in March that the selective special forces group "Thunder" took part in military strikes against Umm Qasr in southern Iraq and in the Persian Gulf. However, he refused to give details about the specific role of the Polish special forces in the war against Iraq. It later became known that Poland sent 200 troops to the region. 56 special forces of this number helped to clear the port of Umm-Qasr and the surrounding oil terminals from mines. Their main operation is participation in the seizure and defense of the Mukaraut dam, the explosion of which by Iraqis could flood the whole of Baghdad.

There is also information that another group of Thunderbolts operated in the suburbs of Baghdad together with the American Delta and the British SAS, long before the arrival of the main forces. On account of "Thunder" and the operation to free the Polish engineers in Angola. Unfortunately, its details are unknown.



Selection and preparation course

Candidates for the detachment, as a rule, are selected from the 1 Special Regiment or from the unit of the Polish Naval Combat Swimmers - GSP. Less often from the airborne troops, or police special forces.

The requirements for candidates are quite high. For example, they must have a higher education and speak at least one foreign language. In the process of learning a fighter studies another. Candidates pass a series of rigorous psychological and physical screening tests before entering a squad. Those who have passed through - and no more than 15 percent of the total number of applicants during the testing, start training, which lasts almost three years and is one of the longest and most difficult among similar special units of the NATO member countries. The average fighter is over thirty years old. There are fighters and over forty. Not many special forces have such long-livers fighters. However, the special forces age does not affect the level of training and quality of combat and training tasks.

During the training, the fighters master mountain training and learn to descend underwater with breathing apparatus. The training program of the detachment includes a special airborne training, the study of mine-blasting. They are taught to conduct special reconnaissance and conduct raids on the fortified objects and headquarters of the enemy. They work out the task of freeing the hostages and learn to fight with partisans and insurgents.

In addition, they are taught to organize and ensure the protection and defense of particularly important strategic facilities. The training program includes tasks for the personal protection of high-ranking officials. All training is conducted under combat fire to develop psychological stability among the soldiers.

The total troop strength is approximately 250-300 people, including women. The detachment consists of four groups, each of which has its own clear specialization. For example, one of the groups is designed to combat terrorism. The other is trained to act in the mountains and inaccessible terrain. The third group - combat swimmers, and the fourth specializes in the landing, both from large and from supersmall heights.

Of particular note is a group of combat swimmers, which is called the Special Flotation Division. This is due to the fact that combat swimmers have always been in special forces in a special position, given their versatility. In the unit "Thunder" they perform special tasks:
- implementation of counter-terrorism operations, including hostage-free operations on various vessels, vessels and oil-producing platforms;
- protection of oil platforms from terrorist attacks;
- rendering assistance and support to other military and law enforcement units in conducting operations against the structures of organized crime in the Baltic;

- conducting emergency rescue operations at sea;
- coastal exploration using speedboats.

Combat swimmers are able to capture vessels, both using high-speed boats and diving equipment, as well as using parachutes and equipment to descend from the helicopter. All groups have combat experience. So, for example, specialists in parachute landing operated in Afghanistan and Iraq. In addition, according to information received from unofficial sources, they also trained the Kurds before the last invasion of the Americans and British into Iraq.

The same combat swimmers are in the Polish Navy. They operate in a unit called Formosa. The squad is highly classified. It is only known that he took part in operations in the Persian Gulf.

I must say that in the history of Polish special forces there are black pages. For example, as a result of bad and unprofessional training during the anti-terrorist operation 6 in March 2003, two special forces were killed and 17 were injured.



Equipment and armament

In recent years, the equipment program of the main anti-terrorism unit of Poland has received significant financial support. Today they are the most advanced models of special equipment and weapons, which are in no way inferior to the best foreign special forces.

Standard short barrels weapons in the group are the Glock 9 17 pistols and Walther P-99. There are other types of pistols and revolvers.

For operations that are conducted in small groups or units at a short distance, in fact, on the verge of hand-to-hand combat, often in confined spaces, fighters use German Heckler & Koch MP-5 submachine guns or their analogue of Turkish production MKEK. Also, special forces often use modified versions of the Heckler & Koch MP-5 A3 and A5, with a folding stock, as well as the MP-5 SD6 with an integrated silencer. In addition, the unit is armed with an automatic weapon of domestic production Glauberyt PM-84 P / 98.

Speaking of more powerful weapons, we should mention the G-36 assault rifle, as well as its shortened version - the G-36 KA1 carbine with a telescopic sight and 100 caliber cartridges for 5,56.

Much attention in the unit is given to equipping the sniper team. Noteworthy are the Finnish sniper rifles Sako TRG-21 and TRG-22 7.62 x51 mm NATO (.308 Winchester) and TRG-42 (338 Lapua Magnum). At the same time, the real veteran - 7, 62-mm SVD is still of Soviet production, remains in the group’s arsenal.

The Polish special forces are armed with a powerful and repeatedly proven in practice 7,62-mm Kalashnikov PKM machine gun, as well as a German-made HK40 A69 1-mm hand-held grenade launcher with a telescopic retractable butt.

For operational transfer of combat groups over long distances or for penetration into the building from the air, Mi-8, Pzl Kania and Pzl W-3 Sokol helicopters arrive at the disposal of the special forces from a police air squadron.

Upon receiving an alarm, the entire team should be ready for action in one hour. The duty unit is obliged to leave the base, which is located in the suburb of Warsaw Šchesliwice, during 10-15 minutes after the alarm, regardless of whether it is day or night.



International team

Without a doubt, “Thunder” in its short history has made tremendous progress and has become on a par with its comrades from different countries of the world. One of the former commanders of the detachment, Marian Savinsky, once said: "My guys showed their best in difficult conditions. I am proud of them for the right. For more than a decade of existence, the Thunder has become a formidable force that any opponent will have to reckon with ".

It is not surprising that in January 2009, the leaders of Poland, France and Germany decided to create in four years a total special forces of up to two thousand fighters called Weimar-EU. The leading role will be given to Poland. Germany and France will only support Eurospetsnaz.

In addition, Poland is already participating in another operational unit, which includes Latvia, Lithuania, Germany and Slovakia.
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  1. builder
    builder 16 December 2013 08: 46
    14
    Nice article "plus"
    1. Vittt
      Vittt 16 December 2013 17: 47
      18
      Quote: It is not surprising that in January 2009 the leaders of Poland, France and Germany decided to create in four years a general special forces in the amount of up to two thousand fighters called "Weimar-EU".
      Probably confused - "Weimar-SS".
      And as for "Thunder" - this is the special forces of third countries - no special successes, no special defeats, such as Norway, Germany, Canada. They look cool, and the run up to the ruble is a leap of a penny.
      1. olegkrava
        olegkrava 13 March 2017 17: 37
        +2
        Removed from the language, so we can already rename the Weimar into the Wehrmacht.
        1. olegkrava
          olegkrava 13 March 2017 17: 38
          0
          Yes, Weimar was already, but flattened at the beginning of that century.
    2. Gamdlislyam
      Gamdlislyam 16 December 2013 20: 28
      +6
      Quote: stroitel
      Nice article "plus"

      Dear colleague Alexei, something reminds me of this. You look at the date when the Russian newspaper published this opus. This is January 2012. On the Russian throne was a citizen D. Medvedev, who clung to the Poles. So the article is clearly custom-made, and today it looks like an advertisement.
      This unit is not a formidable force (well, it is possible only for Poles and their Baltic friends). But the Poles were forced to withdraw this unit from Iraq precisely because of the scandal associated with ill-treatment of the local population.
      The article put a bold minus.
      1. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 16 March 2017 14: 46
        +6
        But the “Psheks” throughout their history didn’t differ when they were humane to the weak. Their slogan "in the seven we are not afraid." They hear trumpet about Katyn at all angles, and the fact that 20 thousand Russian Red Army men were killed in the camps on the 20th year of the XNUMXth century is a taboo about it.
    3. user
      user 16 December 2013 20: 28
      +3
      Another advertising article "Our women are the coolest". It is even interesting why only higher education and not a candidate or doctor of sciences.
    4. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 16 December 2013 21: 36
      +1
      Polish special forces have always been distinguished by tough methods, which were experienced not only by local mafiosi, but also ................ But the situation began to worsen. In particular, when the mass emigration of Jews from the USSR to Israel began in the late 80s, frightened by Islamic extremists who opposed any increase in immigration to Israel, many Western European countries decided not to help in the transfer of citizens there. Only Poland exerted real power in organizing the operation, which later became known as Operation Most. IN HOW THEY HELPED THE JEWS, THE GOOD MEN, AND WHERE ARE THE SAME MEASURES? ................... In the early 1980s, a difficult socio-political situation developed in socialist Poland. In a number of provinces, mass protest actions of workers against the existing order began. -WHO AND YOUR PEOPLE GUNNED FROM THE OVERALL POWER GNOBE, SUCH GOOD SPECIAL FORCES - CORRECT-EUROPEAN-TOLERANT. In 1994, one of the detachment's groups is sent to Haiti to help the Americans in ... - to the coolest American specialists, they called even cooler specialists from Poland - miracles, and where did they call them, but to the sovereign state of Haiti. Read more ........... Then there was a business trip of 50 soldiers of "Thunder" in the late 90s to Bosnia ... ... They also arrested the war criminal Dokmanovic in Slovenia for a year. .... In 2000, the group's fighters are conducting several operations in Kosovo. ...... In 2001, "Gromovites" with mountain training were sent to Afghanistan, ostensibly to guard VIPs. In fact, they took part in large military operations - AWESOME BATTLE ROUTE, BREAKING A PREDATORY ORAM, OJUST CARRY THE WORLD AND DEMOCRATIC FREEDOMS TO OTHER COUNTRIES WELL A LITTLE CRUEL MEANS - HOW DOES YOU NEED TO CONCLUDE IT.
  2. pawel1961
    pawel1961 16 December 2013 08: 58
    +3
    looks like the formation of a certain order. I think you can guess.
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 16 December 2013 08: 58
    46
    "Polish special forces have always been distinguished by tough methods"

    And what, there is special forces, which are distinguished by "soft"? Hit the enemy with a chamomile on the lips? I don’t know, I don’t know ... Unless, in the Netherlands wassat
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 16 December 2013 09: 14
      +6
      Beats the enemy with a chamomile on the lips? I don’t know, I don’t know ... Unless, in the Netherlands
      Aha laughing and distributes condoms wassat
      1. Denis
        Denis 16 December 2013 14: 07
        +1
        Quote: Horst78
        gives condoms

        Not only cigarettes and syringes
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 16 December 2013 09: 53
      12
      As my military instructor said at school - Your opponent is an enemy. And the enemy needs to be destroyed by any method, and not to breed waltzes.
  4. makarov
    makarov 16 December 2013 09: 32
    +3
    Good educational material. I would like to know about the salaries of specialists, their pensions, and social programs ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 16 December 2013 19: 11
      +4
      What do you want to join? Flag in hand ... fellow
  5. pensioner
    pensioner 16 December 2013 09: 57
    20
    Surely, probably no country has already remained in the world, whose special forces would not claim to be the coolest ... Penguins except that they are silent, do not PR ...
    1. Sashkessss
      Sashkessss 16 December 2013 20: 36
      +1
      "You cannot praise yourself - no one will." The penguins are silent, they have nothing to prove
      1. family tree
        family tree 16 December 2013 21: 05
        13
        And yet, the coolest Romanian special forces wassat
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 16 December 2013 21: 30
          +1
          Quote: perepilka
          And yet, the coolest Romanian special forces

          laughing good hi
        2. sounddoc
          sounddoc 16 December 2013 23: 32
          +2
          Something recalled a joke: At the inauguration of the President of Romania, according to the Constitution, the old president bites the new.
          Video - undoubtedly +++
          lol fool laughing
          1. family tree
            family tree 16 December 2013 23: 54
            +1
            There is still laughing
            utube.ru/video/79e7fe6aec039c7bcdd0f96eda0fbe75/
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        4. standby
          standby 17 December 2013 01: 33
          +1
          You cannot spend on drink experience! And yet they are still hammering quietly so encouraging each other: "Come on chavela! WE ARE PROFESSIONALS!" good
        5. standby
          standby 18 December 2013 01: 59
          +4
          I watched the original video, the shooting lasted 13.04 (!), In the end the same result as in the beginning! laughing yes laughing

          Imagination drew on what happens outside the door and then happened, I suggest options:
          1. The criminals are deaf, oh. Eaten and overtaken by the rage of the specialists, their will to resist is completely suppressed, they are ready to give up, but they are afraid to open the door. They sit and think of jumping out of the window or waiting another 2-3 hours.
          Option 2: Criminals died of asphyxiation caused by laughter.
          Option 3: About 2 hours later a deaf Romanian old woman opens the door and asks in a motherly way: "What happened?"

          I offer specialists of the same state!



          For 50 meters of running on a flat surface and for 17 seconds, one fall and one loss of weapons. But what if they were abandoned for 5 km along a rough road ?! laughing There will be a drama!
        6. Regis
          Regis 18 December 2013 12: 46
          +1
          Battle woodpeckers)
        7. Gronsky
          Gronsky 31 December 2013 00: 20
          0
          Quote: perepilka
          And yet, the coolest Romanian special forces


          No, well, you can’t look like that at night. I'm going to drink valerian.
          The descendants of Dracula simply tore, there the neighbors had already woken up to a roar, but they still didn’t. Romanian general to NATO Secretary General, and we will have one less problem.
  6. Black
    Black 16 December 2013 10: 28
    +2
    Psheks have a character, do not take away ... the rest is special forces ... the enemy fight.
  7. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 December 2013 10: 32
    +8
    The wording is incomprehensible: the best in the world. Americans bawl that their seals are the best, here the Poles say that they are the very best. And who compared the level of combat training of the leading special forces and the quantity and quality of operations performed by them? There was a special forces competition in the United States. Participated including Russian and American special forces. As a result of these competitions, an article by the Russian specialist "American" was published. It shows how the Americans appropriated the victory that the Russians had lost. Shame on you!
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 17 December 2013 00: 01
      +3
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      There was a special forces competition in the United States. Participated including Russian and American special forces. Following the results of these competitions, an article by the Russian specialist "American" was published

      Super SWAT International Round-Up 2011. And what general was there to go to such competitions in which participated:
      - US
      - Russia
      - Hungary
      - Jamaica
      - Aruba
      - Bosnia
      - Sweden
      Moreover, this is a real competition of Florida police teams, in which everyone else was condemned. The meaning of the Russian "alpha" was to compete with the teams of some towns of 40 thousand people?
  8. balamut_x
    balamut_x 16 December 2013 10: 40
    10
    this is what the paid article on improving the Polish image, if so then rather clumsy)
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 16 December 2013 10: 49
    +4
    I really didn’t think what I would say, but the Poles will remain the last adequate Europeans in the history of the Gayropeysky Union, Great Britain, France, Italy, Spain
    I and Germany are already in the hands of proto-a-active sugary boys, the Poles, although Russophobes still look like people, maybe someday Poland will become the "ruler of Europe"? Poles, than these pra-a-tive hordes of Chaos from Geyropa. And I don't understand why the article should be minus, it seems to be neutral cognitive.
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  11. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 16 December 2013 11: 34
    18
    Lies, Polish Grom - the legacy of the gentry gentry regime and the Polish Winged Hussars.

    But seriously, the article is the most common one, not telling anything new about specialists whose level of training and responsibility is on the verge of understanding an ordinary civilian. To compare, as I noticed in the comments, specialists from different countries are stupid, since the training systems there are in the spirit of "faster, higher, stronger." The role is played by nuances about which they will not tell us anything, and ordinary people do not need to know this.
  12. Kazakh
    Kazakh 16 December 2013 11: 41
    +9
    I put a minus for a too defiant title that does not correspond to the content.
  13. dok69
    dok69 16 December 2013 11: 51
    +5
    Poland - "the ruler of Europe"? Good joke ... However, the Poles have always been famous for their ambition.
    Note that the article mentions exclusively joint operations with the Americans as the most valiant episodes of "military glory".
    And what was your own? Or - "it was so cool, so cool that you still can't talk about it, so as not to scare humanity"? :)
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 16 December 2013 12: 40
      +3
      Well, yes, they have had a Nazi base in their swamp for 70 years, they must have gathered to storm ... then maybe they will go to the Ukrainians - there’s another one. Cool special forces overtake the shock wave - in all the movies like that.
  14. Semenov
    Semenov 16 December 2013 12: 38
    +3
    In and among the Poles, special forces showed up, and here the USSR helped. In general, the more special forces in the troops, the more the political leadership trusts the military.
    1. makarov
      makarov 16 December 2013 18: 35
      +1
      if you reason like that, and take it for truth, then the most numerous special forces in North Korea, there are more divisions, and serve an urgent 7-10 years. Only people live shitty and in desperate need
      1. DimychDV
        DimychDV 16 December 2013 19: 41
        0
        Once in a bus in Nakhodka, one North Korean guest worker boasted to me - he showed on his mobile phone a recording of a feature film with the wonders of fighting taekwondo. And he showed himself - this, they say, I was filming here, I was the champion of the unit (or almost the entire army). And he looked at least 50 years old, and he’s a sprout of such a typically Korean, small ...
    2. DimychDV
      DimychDV 16 December 2013 19: 36
      +3
      In the USSR after the war, it was rather the opposite. "What kind of special forces? To breed murderers?!? Do you want to send them to the party and Soviet workers ???" - And Zhukov crushed his projects, but the army objectively needed units to suppress the use of missile and nuclear weapons in the tactical link.
  15. mountain
    mountain 16 December 2013 13: 54
    +5
    Zhvanetsky or Raikin had a yumarin: who is cooler than Uzh or Tsapel. I don’t have anything against the article itself, how the excursion will go.
  16. Llirik
    Llirik 16 December 2013 14: 18
    +2
    Interesting and informative. So now we at least know how the Polish elite squad is called. God willing, this knowledge is not useful to us.
    Although, if you discard all the pathos, there will be only a lot of work, hard, everyday, with periodic combat episodes ... And they are injected in the special forces in all countries the same way.
  17. Metal
    Metal 16 December 2013 14: 28
    +2
    Interestingly, is there any of the special forces here? The opinion of a professional would be interesting =)
    1. operator35
      operator35 17 December 2013 04: 20
      +3
      very good unit))) honestly ...
      those who tear the throats that everyone knows, all the suckers, don’t listen ...
      GROM is really a very strong and professional unit, the commanders are wise, they let them engage in combat training, knock out money for equipment and equipment and are constantly looking for an opportunity to test the guys in "combat" ones ...
      in my opinion more good specialist and not wish))))
  18. amigo1969
    amigo1969 16 December 2013 15: 18
    +5
    The article is clearly ordered. Yes, their level of training is up to the mark. But it is not worth talking about them as "super soldiers". I ran into their representatives at negotiations (when I served) .. typical snobby "psheki". Objectively, one can only judge the special forces of the "belligerent" countries (USA, Russia, France ....). And everyone has beautiful pictures of specialists diving out of the water, jumping with a parachute ... etc. IMHO.
    1. sub307
      sub307 16 December 2013 15: 39
      +2
      Well, firstly not at all. And then, in order to compare someone with someone, you need to at least select the criteria for comparison. The most objective criteria, in this case, may be: the total number of operations (stocks) performed and the degree of their success. But it is unlikely that anyone will provide such information in full, being in their right mind. Pictures naturally remain pictures, no more.
      1. amigo1969
        amigo1969 16 December 2013 16: 09
        +5
        I do not argue. just, as far as I know, GROM is "sharpened" for the fight against organized crime and smuggling. in the 90s they successfully caught smugglers of cigarettes, alcohol, fuel from Belarus and the Russian Federation. They also caught illegal migrants and their Polish accomplices who had infiltrated the Belarusian-Polish border. They also actively worked against robbers on the highways who "bombed" the car dealers in the CIS. But still, these are actually the functions of the SOBR and OMON. We are not promoting here, for example, the Nizhny Tagil or Kranodar SOBR, although the guys will give a head start to the Poles calmly.
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  19. Fox
    Fox 16 December 2013 16: 05
    +6
    bully the author with his name clearly offended the "coolest special forces" -the Baltic (in Lithuania - patrons, in Latvia ruzho, in Estonia bowlers ....) will come and figure it out!
  20. mark7
    mark7 16 December 2013 17: 35
    +4
    Quote: Chen
    Pshek have a character, do not take away

    pshek always always show off, and at all times, the article overestimates them too
  21. Orang
    Orang 16 December 2013 18: 45
    +4
    The USSR itself fought, allies in the ATS were taken only to Czechoslovakia, and Uncle Sam regularly takes a blood tribute from the new NATO members. And in Afghanistan, and in Iraq and the Balkans. Even Bulgarians and Georgians.
  22. lukke
    lukke 16 December 2013 19: 05
    +6
    In principle, the whole article blows with a breath that Thunder is in the wings of Amers. Pshekas from their pants are ready to jump out just to prove to the owner that they are suitable for something. I remember an article about Cuban special forces - it is of interest because own training and tactics. And these first, like the Americans, took the SAS experience and manuals, and now they are trying to go beyond the lessons. There is certainly nothing wrong with this, but a slave with such an application is unlikely to have something original of his own. Comparing Thunder with something is difficult, but since the author mentioned Thunder’s participation in the storming of Thor-Bohr, our guys did the same thing much faster and didn’t even use the US maid anti-bunker anti-bunker bombs.
  23. kotvov
    kotvov 16 December 2013 19: 34
    0
    so what’s the matter, evacuate the Americans from Afghanistan, and send thunder, they’re cooler than the coils. Article minus.
  24. typhoon7
    typhoon7 16 December 2013 19: 44
    0
    Thundered? Something I did not hear. Turkish ,, special forces special forces, the same PR, entered Syria, there they put almost the entire group, entered them the second time and put them down for the second time. Our special forces have a lot of operations to this day, and many operations are unique. this is a real special forces and does not need PR. Syrian special forces, more than a dozen people at night in a helicopter to the center of Guta, put all the bearded top and all the guards and also quickly returned without loss.
  25. Spnsr
    Spnsr 16 December 2013 19: 50
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    and that he thundered yes? And where? something was inaudible! maybe it wasn't thunder at all?
  26. sgv
    sgv 16 December 2013 20: 00
    +5
    In 1982 -1984 he served in the government communications troops. After training in Voronezh, he was sent to serve in the Northern Group of Forces, that is, in Poland. He served in Warsaw, our unit p / p 01141 was the only part of the Soviet troops in the capital of Poland. From time to time we were organized friendly meetings with the soldiers of the Polish People's Army. Like all normal conscripts, we all prepared for demobilization and tried to collect a complete "iconostasis" of badges, both Soviet and Polish, at one such meeting, a Pole officer gave me a badge of an eagle falling in a dive with a laurel wreath in its paws, though he said that it was a distinctive sign paratroopers of the Polish army, but where the landing is there, there are special forces. A month ago I was in Warsaw, almost thirty years after demobilization. Especially I found time to look at my ex V \ Ch. When I went to the territory of the unit, I immediately noticed that the perimeter security measures were seriously strengthened, the height of the fence was 5 meters, lighting, cameras at all corners and in all possible directions. To see what is behind the fence is simply not where and is not possible. Then from the Poles from the territory adjacent to the now military facility of the Polish Army, I learned that a subdivision for combating terrorism "GROM" was stationed there. The admission to the territory of the vehicle facility is carried out by electronic reading of the code on the vehicle pass, the gates are double and in general everything is very serious. On the territory there is a passenger plane, it stands at the very end of the technical park, there were our hardware and antenna machines. For my husband, this territory is tightly adjacent to another object of the army infrastructure, but what was there behind the two barbed wire fences and the control trail strip between them, we did not know even when we seemed to be friends with the Poles. You can view this object by entering the address Warszawa ul. Marsa. The satellite image shows both the barracks and the stadium with a physical town and the very plane on which the GROM is apparently practicing the skills of taking civil aircraft by storm in case of capture. Here's a story! Hello everyone who served in the SGV!
  27. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 16 December 2013 20: 42
    +6
    In vain the article was criticized! More such articles, and more!
    Poland is now in the category of probable adversary. And you need more information about him to know how to fight, if that ...
    In the event of NATO aggression against Russia and Ukraine, the Atlantists will most likely throw the Poles and Czechs into the heat. They don’t feel sorry for them ...
  28. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 16 December 2013 22: 22
    +1
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    The wording is incomprehensible: the best in the world. Americans bawl that their seals are the best, here the Poles say that they are the very best. And who compared the level of combat training of the leading special forces and the quantity and quality of operations performed by them? There was a special forces competition in the United States. Participated including Russian and American special forces. As a result of these competitions, an article by the Russian specialist "American" was published. It shows how the Americans appropriated the victory that the Russians had lost. Shame on you!

    it seems the main prize was a glock, ours were taken, but according to the law it is impossible to take out of the states
  29. speron
    speron 16 December 2013 22: 34
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    It is clear that while there are no interests abroad, Thunder worked at home, one of the operations of the late 90s - Thunder was going to storm several bandiuk and while they were accumulating in front of the building they threw a couple of grenades on top of them, but that’s old
  30. sergey1972
    sergey1972 16 December 2013 23: 14
    0
    the article amused, but put a minus, since the content is far from informative, and it does not correspond to the actual state of affairs of this "special forces." Ask me, what did I decide? treated civilians. well, very cool spetsnaz. in general, the article does not stand up to criticism.
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    2. Yazov
      Yazov 17 December 2013 22: 32
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      The most notable of these is the elimination of five Albanian militants in one of the villages within 15 minutes.

      Very, very serious, and most importantly, lightning-fast operation! Draw conclusions! And everybody be afraid ....
  31. official
    official 17 December 2013 00: 36
    +4
    In December 2007, I was at an international seminar in Warsaw. We were received by employees of the Central Investigation Bureau (an analogue of the Ukrainian UBOZ or the Russian RUBOP). Normal men, also an opera, to drink, to joke, it is understandable in general (although there were some very unpleasant moments ...). So somehow we got into a conversation about the use of special forces units in operations and the Poles told about the incident on March 6, 2003. He was still fresh in their memory then. They worked for the "Russian mafia" (as they said, and I am passing it on). A group left to detain 2 citizens of the former Union, somewhere in the suburbs of Warsaw, who were reasonably suspected of crimes. But, since there were only two of them, the special forces went without snipers, only attack aircraft. And one of the villains turned out to be a former GRU special forces soldier, allegedly even an "Afghan". In general, he mined an urn at the entrance to the cottage where he lived with his partner. It was with this mine that our bandits of Polish specialists banged them. We were also shown pictures: the wall of the house is all chipped from fragments and on it is a clear silhouette of a man in a kneestand. Some fighter took over the full power of the detonation. So then this couple fought back for several hours, they had several barrels, the Poles did not take them alive. Talking about this, the Poles in all seriousness said that they were really afraid of the Russian mafia. And after the 90s and 00s, they instructed a car with two or more men to check everything. We were also stopped by Polish traffic cops, when the five of us in a taxi were driving around Warsaw at night ... But that's not the point. I just didn't know that Thunder was working then, because the Central Security Service has its own special forces - KAT (the team is anti-terrorist). Now I understand.
  32. standby
    standby 17 December 2013 01: 41
    0
    Taking into account that this article could be, as already mentioned, a PR move, I propose to take into account: The Poles have always been good warriors, quite cruel reckless as well! I would like to believe that the Psheks will not be sent to Ukraine to Bandera as fraternal help!
  33. Afluk
    Afluk 11 January 2014 22: 49
    +1
    Quote: Standby
    Taking into account that this article could be, as already mentioned, a PR move, I propose to take into account: The Poles have always been good warriors, quite cruel reckless as well! I would like to believe that the Psheks will not be sent to Ukraine to Bandera as fraternal help!

    But what then did Poland with its good wars divide the victors several times into parts? :)
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager 7 March 2017 15: 19
      0
      Here on the VO there were several articles how the Polish gentry fought for power alone, and those who wished to use it, divided the country.
    2. 0896679581
      0896679581 11 March 2017 18: 50
      0
      Not bad, the yard is not the yard, street to street, well, district to district !?
  34. 0896679581
    0896679581 11 March 2017 18: 43
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    Each country has its own special forces, in Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Mongolia. There is no doubt that the best of the best serve there.
  35. vik7193
    vik7193 12 March 2017 16: 51
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    A good advertisement for a detachment of security guards, bodyguards and part-time acting as a former riot police. They especially admired their participation in the "storm" of the underground caves of Bora Bora! Or maybe they were guarding the American army in Kabul? Beauties, another cyborg.
  36. yehat
    yehat 13 March 2017 17: 10
    0
    the division is serious, but using mp-5 is somehow confusing
    many years have passed since the creation of this weapon, have the Poles really picked up nothing better?
    there are questions about other samples. in my opinion, their equipment is not above average.
  37. kopar
    kopar 22 March 2017 07: 37
    0
    According to the memoirs of an American sniper, the Thunder squad was in Iraq and proved himself very worthy. And since this sniper is from SEAL, it means that the guys there are literate ....
  38. Pupil 375
    Pupil 375 22 October 2017 21: 05
    0
    This article is a set of quotes. There is nothing cognitive, not even the location is correct. An empty set of words minus minus.
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  40. enmesher
    enmesher 13 November 2017 23: 19
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    8/20 aircraft capture?
    This is a shame even for engineering troops with shovels !!!
  41. Terenin
    Terenin 22 December 2017 16: 50
    +4
    Polish special forces thundered all over the worldjudging by the photograph, he probably stumbled on swimming flippers ...
  42. intuzazist
    intuzazist 18 February 2018 18: 17
    0
    Something I didn’t understand why it was so that the psheks thundered ...........................