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Ex-commando: Police do not want to be a switchman

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Is it possible to use force against the Maidan participants, is there a compromise possible and what do internal security officers feel today in an exclusive interview with the controversy, said the head of the “Legal Protection Association of Security Force Veterans”, former special forces officer Alexander Didukh.

- Alexander Leonidovich, what could be the scenario of the development of events and what could be the culmination of the Maidan? After all, it is no secret that today a campaign has unfolded, in fact, the persecution of the Interior Ministry employees, and first of all - the “Berkut”.

- We see three ways out of this situation. The first is when the Maidan exhausts, and the force will not have to be used, the second is when the real negotiations between the authorities and the opposition begin, the third when the force is used against the participants of peaceful actions by a harsh method. The Maidan is a “living organism”, and there are many honest and decent people, the majority of whom, because the people's anger is associated with total corruption in the country, including in law enforcement agencies and the judicial system. As for harassment, our organization of the legal protection of veterans of the security forces will protect victims from persecution. But the situation is too ambiguous. "Golden eagle" is confused, his command in Western Ukraine in general refuses to take part in the dispersal of peaceful Euromaidans. This is the most complicated legal deadlock. No one knows how to get out of this situation.

- We are so eager to the European Union. In your opinion, is such a rough seizure of the Bundestag possible in Germany, for example? Is it really impossible to force out the protesters by force from the captured buildings of the capital?


- In Germany история with a bulldozer, as we had on Bankova, would not have occurred to any law-abiding German. Our people have a completely different mentality. We do not like to obey the laws, and even the most beautiful of them are ignored, and this continues for the 23 of the year. We cannot use force without a court decision regarding the captured buildings. For the time being, a compromise decision has been taken that the security forces will act exclusively as peacekeepers.

- Excuse me, but how is this possible, when at the OSCE meeting Mykola Azarov sounded the figure that there are more than 2,5 thousands of militants in Kiev? Can they somehow be localized and neutralized in order to avoid casualties?

- You yourself are well aware that this depends on the competence of the SBU and the desire of the authorities to change the situation. Everything can be done, and there are forces for it, and there are means. However, in my opinion, we have a rather high probability of a “bloody scenario” followed by the collapse of Ukraine.

- During the time of Leonid Kuchma’s presidency, they coped with such “abnormal” situations.
- Yes, because the country was different! But the methods were the same. Remember when Tsushko ordered to storm the Prosecutor General's Office. Already later, during the "debriefing", a young lieutenant was appointed guilty. The prestige of the rank of officer was destroyed for more than one year, and this was done not without the intervention of the ruling elites.

- And what is the mood now in the police?

- Yes, the most different, but not very funny. The overwhelming number of employees do not want to be "switchmen", hostages of foreign political games. I believe that it would be fair on the part of the opposition to remove themselves deputy powers and stand on the Maidan with the people. But somehow it turns out to be interesting in our country: politicians “turn on” the crowd, and then run into a warm session hall and fail the resignation of the Cabinet of Ministers! Our people are not idiots! They understand that there is no leader in the country. As for our police, you are well aware that its employees practically do not control the huge city outside Maidan. Kievans save themselves as they can. Now there are many Afghan soldiers in the “body” of Maidan, as well as real combat officers who are outraged by the current government. At the same time, it’s scary to imagine a civil war in Ukraine.

- Alexander Leonidovich, and what should be the psychological preparation of the "berkutovtsa"? Can they lose their nerves in a difficult situation?

- Psychological training is an integral part of the training of any employee speznazovtsa. This includes the ability to keep order, rapid deployment, the ability to quickly identify and tear the instigator out of the crowd. Actually, this is the psychology of spetsznaztsa. Any professional should be able to divide the crowd into parts, isolate an aggressive core from it and block it. Often, the guys do not have time to think, and the main actions are, as they say, on the “machine gun”. All unrest is an explosive, rapid process, so you need to analyze the situation the day before. We worked out the technique in similar training activities, dressing in civilian form, provoking and vice versa. When I worked in the internal power structures, I remember very well how sharpening, smoke bombs, knives, and stones flew into us. This does not disappear from memory at all. But this is our profession, which we chose ourselves. At the same time, never "Berkut" did not work out the technique to beat the bedridden, women and children. According to the instructions, a “berkutovets” should put on handcuffs at the time of resistance to him, and if people do not offer resistance, then the force in general is not right. Why "Golden Eagle" exceeded authority on the night of Saturday and Sunday? It is difficult to answer this question, but if the provocative chain went ahead, the Berkutovists beat everyone. However, the investigation will deal with this. For example, in Israel, if a person is prone to displaying unmotivated aggression, he generally cannot serve in such units.

- The opposition has registered a bill on the elimination of special forces "Berkut" in Ukraine.

- Well, what can I say! Another spittle in our direction. In the hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs there are guys with burns of the eyes, fractures of the ribs, hands, legs, injuries of the kidneys, back. There is a guy with a split heel who can never walk. I do not know how to comment. In no other civilized country of the world is it possible that the special forces would “merge”. The injured in the hospital are dressed in tracksuits and in every way conceal that they are “Berkutovtsy” because they do not want unnecessary questions and attention to themselves. Many of them are planning to leave the service after discharge. Unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of police officers know only two articles from the legislation, 14 and 15: about the use of special equipment and the use of weapons. If you ask our rank-and-file militiaman what articles of the Constitution he knows, he will not name one, because he is uneducated and is not materially motivated. So far, the system works against those who must protect ordinary citizens, and therefore the people are on the Maidan, and not because they have nothing to do.
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  1. smel
    smel 14 December 2013 07: 44 New
    +8
    Respect is caused by people in the form who have fulfilled their duty. Until the end they have fulfilled. And having done something in half is regret. They, having done a little bit, themselves created a situation when they merge (the words of the author). But here politicians are shaky, irresponsible and having nothing in their soul - they can only cause a feeling of anger among the people. So - who chose. With that and forward to a brighter future
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 14 December 2013 07: 53 New
      +9
      The position and professionalism of the specialist is respected.
      Disrespect causes duplicity and lack of political will among the top leadership of Ukraine, venality and greed of the comprador oligarchy in Ukraine. It seems that at the top, the desire for personal enrichment and for preserving acquired by overwork is stronger than the desire to save Ukraine. Otherwise, they would not flirt and would not finance all kinds of marginals, such as the Galician and not only the national fascists, etc. And there would be no such problems.
      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 14 December 2013 14: 30 New
        +3
        The people of Ukraine need to separate one problem - the corruption power of President Yanukovych and another - which union they will join the Customs or the European Union, as they say, separate flies from cutlets, and not mix the two problems into one heap of a protesting maidan.
        Otherwise, you can destroy the state.
        Anyone who opposes the corruption power of Yanukovych needs to postpone his speech until the next election and concentrate his energy on Ukraine’s self-determination to one or another alliance.
        Thus, it will be possible to identify those who advocate for the European Union and take measures to them if they violate the laws of Ukraine.
        And so, in the mess that is happening on the Maidan, where the fighters against corruption and the representatives of the 5th column are mixed up, defending the interests of the European Union, you can lose the state of Ukraine and plunge society into a civil war.
        1. Stalinets
          Stalinets 14 December 2013 23: 03 New
          0
          The people did not confuse these problems. There is mass disinformation. They coped with the task. By the way, one rarely sees Maidan against a deal with the EU. But he is. Kagal of the EU and America fell upon Ukraine. What? Ukraine alone can not get out of this trap ....
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 08: 43 New
      11
      Quote: smel
      They, having done a little bit, themselves created a situation when they merge (the words of the author)

      They carried out the order that he received, he executed. Another question is that then those whom they defended from the crowd betrayed them. There is no person in power in Ukraine now who would not be afraid to take responsibility. As the west drove, so all in a crowd rushed to look for those responsible, but then a problem could arise. The junior officers, looking at how the authorities act, will not follow orders, and then a beautiful furry scribe will come to Yanukovych.
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 14 December 2013 10: 32 New
        +6
        - The opposition has registered a bill on the elimination of special forces "Berkut" in Ukraine.

        “Well, what can I tell you!” Another spit in our direction. In the hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs there are children with burns to the eyes, fractures of the ribs, arms, legs, injuries of the kidneys, back. There is a guy with a fragmented heel who can never walk again. I don’t know how to comment. In no civilized country in the world, it is impossible for the special forces to "merge"

        Rusich in Little Russia is the time to turn the tide. Further, this cannot continue. To the delight of the entire liberalistic geyrop, Russians should wet each other?
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 12: 14 New
          -6
          and nefig serve traitors!
      2. AVV
        AVV 14 December 2013 11: 19 New
        +9
        And not the first time to betray them, at first they betrayed the people who voted for power !!! And now they betrayed the Golden Eagle !!! Here is such a power, on an independent !!!
    3. A.YARY
      A.YARY 14 December 2013 10: 07 New
      +6
      The whole problem of special forces such as "Berkut" (which completely disavows their professionalism) is in the absence of a clear and unambiguous article of the law, allowing to act in the conditions that we have all seen like "on the battlefield"! Automatically! Trauma inflicted to the employee-term under the criminal article!But it is after!And in the process, all actions to repel the attack a priori recognized as legitimateand not by court but platoon decision!It’s a platoon and a bast!Not subject to trial!
      Would this provision be introduced, now all the "militants" would be sitting in the IVS with dented ribs, and not men with injuries and disability for life!
      But for this we need power, but there is none in Ukraine!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: A.YARY
        But for this, power is needed, but it is not in Ukraine!

        There is no power in Ukraine, but there is independence, this is where the paradox wassat
        1. Old_kapitan
          Old_kapitan 14 December 2013 15: 24 New
          +5
          There is no power in Ukraine, but there is independence, this is where the paradox
          Ukrainian opposition: Jew, boxer and anti-Semite - this is the paradox!
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 14 December 2013 10: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: A.YARY
        The whole problem of special forces such as "Berkut" (which completely disavows their professionalism) is in the absence of a clear and unambiguous article of the law, allowing them to act in conditions that we all saw as "on the battlefield"!

        The whole problem of the Berkut is in the "drain" by his own ministry, and not in the absence of an article. :The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine admitted violations during the dispersal of Euromaidan "According to preliminary findings, there is reason to assert that the officials of the Main Internal Affairs Directorate of Ukraine in Kiev, responsible for organizing the protection of public order during mass events, and individual police officers violated the current legislation Of Ukraine and a number of departmental regulations, "the press service of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs said.( Russian service "BBC") Andrey, hi !
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 14 December 2013 12: 32 New
          +2
          Elena, Victor hi good afternoon
          You have missed in my spitch that everything is read together.
          And by bringing "Berkut" or OMON to the street, the authorities will no longer be able to "drain" the men. Since further she fully recognizes all the actions performed there as Richelieu wrote
          "By my order and for the good of France!"
          Sirech-Ukraine laughing soldier
          Elena-
          Therefore, our fighters do not need to give a command to use it: everyone makes a decision individually in the event that his life and health are in danger. "


          The current should not be "analyzed" for his actions, since all his actions are correct a priori, read carefully!

          The meaning of what I said is that the authorities, having brought the "Berkut" out into the street, do not have the ability to "cut the arrow" on them, they bear all responsibility!
          1. Egoza
            14 December 2013 12: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: A.YARY
            And by bringing "Berkut" or OMON to the street, the authorities will no longer be able to "drain" the men. Since further she fully recognizes all the actions thereof performed

            Sorry, but figurines! The cowardly authorities can do EVERYTHING! A message has already appeared from the Ministry of Internal Affairs' public relations center that "the materials are now being carefully studied, and yes. In some cases they had the right to apply ... but on the other hand, in some cases there was unjustified cruelty and excess of self-defense measures by the special forces!"
            Here they will be judged! Curtain!

            In the meantime ...
            The People’s Deputy of the Party of Regions Yelena Bondarenko believes that opposition representatives deliberately escalate passions to escalate tensions in the capital on the eve of the next “People’s Chamber”.
            So she commented on the statement of the deputy of the Fatherland faction, the ex-deputy head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Gennady I, that next weekend in Kiev are planned provocations of the FSB of Russia. According to me, unknown people are allegedly going to spray gas without color and odor over the Maidan, which causes a general malaise and inability to resist aggression. As a result, according to the deputy, power dispersal of the participants of the Maidan will be carried out.

            “The epaulettes of the police general should nevertheless impose a much greater responsibility on the person for his words,” says Elena Bondarenko. - Gennady worked in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, served as deputy minister. While at the round table of power and opposition, President Yanukovych guarantees the inviolability of the Maidan, the general as a magician pulls one false sensation from the sleeve after another. Here and Kiev, teeming with criminals in the form of "Golden Eagle", and FSB agents scurrying along the Maidan with spray cans. And all this nonsense is still framed in a statement to law enforcement agencies. One can understand the opposition: parliamentary immunity and general epaulettes allows him to launch exaggerated sensations. ”

            http://www.versii.com/news/293413/
          2. A.YARY
            A.YARY 14 December 2013 12: 47 New
            +2
            PySy
            Out "Berkut" yours on the street - EVERYTHING! Sha and basta! Hide and obey if there is no desire to rake, as this is a tool! And the instrument does not think but performs!
            In such a "cut", you understand, it will already be clear what and how. And to answer, not to answer-it will be the one who "pulled out" the instrument !!! am

            The gun is innocent, the one who pulled the trigger!
      3. Egoza
        14 December 2013 12: 04 New
        +5
        A. Yary The whole problem of special forces such as "Berkut" (which completely disavows their professionalism) is in the absence of a clear and unambiguous article of the law that allows us to act in conditions that we all saw as "on the battlefield"!

        There is such a law! Only the laws we DO NOT EXECUTE!
        "According to Articles 13-14 of the Law of Ukraine" On Police ", a police officer has the right to use special equipment for self-defense. And a rubber baton is a means of active defense. Therefore, our fighters do not need to give a command to use it: everyone makes a decision individually if his life and health are in danger. "
        XXXX
        “There were already police officers on the Maidan: with the help of loudspeakers, they addressed the protesters so that they would not interfere with the work on the installation of the Christmas tree. And some of the people left, going down to Khreshchatyk. About three hundred people remained on the They were mostly covered with masks or scarves. They began to show aggression. At the same time, initially we did not even try to push them back, we just waited. Then they began to rush to the Berkut. In the hands of the guys - sticks, metal rods, stones, chains. glass jars with canned beans, four explosives, flares flew aside. They used tear gas. They even had two fire hooks! At that time, other people around the stele also began to throw various objects in our direction ... The operation did not last long. more than 30 minutes. During the night, 13 employees of the Golden Eagle were injured.
        The commander of the "Berkut" spoke about the cleaning of the Maidan
        Source: http://polemika.com.ua/article-133406.html#title
        xxxxx
        And the RIGHT guys did it. The most active ones were detained! And now the oppa demands to release all the detainees, as "innocent peaceful ..." Ugh at them!
    4. Old_kapitan
      Old_kapitan 14 December 2013 15: 17 New
      +4
      So - who chose.
      Yesterday I read on the city website: "Chernihiv residents are on the Maidan not for the European Union, but against Yanukovych." Well, damn it guys, in 2004 we were already not for Yushchenko, but against Yanukovych. So what? For 5 years they did not even fly away in 1913. Few? Want even lower?
    5. Apostle
      Apostle 14 December 2013 16: 10 New
      -2
      7.12.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX was on the Maidan in Kiev. He allowed himself to come close to the bus with a crowded golden eagle. In a darkened window I saw the light from the telephone. This is what they wrote to me by pressing their phone to the window. Captured for memory ... ps Sadly ..
    6. Apostle
      Apostle 14 December 2013 16: 11 New
      -2
      And another one..
      1. Apostle
        Apostle 14 December 2013 16: 12 New
        +2
        And the last ... third.
  2. kaktus
    kaktus 14 December 2013 07: 52 New
    +9
    Yes, they are policemen, not policemen. Respect and respect! hi soldier
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 14 December 2013 08: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: kaktus
      Yes, they are policemen, not policemen. Respect and respect!


      Why is there still police in Ukraine, and in Russia, police ?! Who is more committed to old traditions ?!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 09: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Apollon
        Who is more committed to old traditions ?!

        Russia! .Apollon, you raised the question in such a way that you yourself probably didn’t understand what you wrote. If you want to say that the Ukrainian authorities are committed to the old traditions, then they all dream of the EU. What are the traditions in Ukraine where you saw them.
        Hi hi
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 14 December 2013 09: 14 New
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Apollo, you raised the question in such a way that you probably didn’t understand what you wrote.

          Greetings Alexander hi I woke up long ago laughing
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If you want to say that the Ukrainian authorities are committed to old traditions

          yes, we are committed, unlike liberal Dmitry Anatolyevich. By the way, Vladimir Vladimirovich could have voluntarily decided to cancel the previous decision. But he didn’t. Infa for reflection. D. Medvedev, when he was president, consulted with V. Putin. Why didn’t V. Putin jerked it off?! Then also Sasha ?!
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          then they all dream of the EU

          I'm not sure about everything. There are regions that are against.
          Yanukovych himself is to blame, his mediocre politics led his country to a political abyss.He would have managed the collective farm so he didn’t climb into the presidency.

          PSMy provider is overwhelmed, because of it I have the EU flag displayed. am
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 14 December 2013 09: 39 New
            +3
            Quote: Apollon
            .My provider is generally overgrown, because of it I have the EU flag displayed.

            Maybe the provider guessed right?
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 09: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Apollon
            yes committed

            In what? ass west lick or betray their own cops that protect them. Not in the name of the matter, but in people.
            Quote: Apollon
            yes committed, unlike the liberal Dmitry Anatolyevich. By the way, Vladimir Vladimirovich could, by a voluntary decision, cancel the previous decision

            Yeah, like Medvedev did not consult Putin, we have a tender!
            Quote: Apollon
            I'm not sure about everything. There are regions that are against.

            So far I have not seen politicians who advocated for the TS. There was one and that one was kicked out of PR and put in jail.
            Quote: Apollon
            PSMy provider is overwhelmed, because of it I have the EU flag displayed

            Your provider is an EU fan wassat
          3. Tersky
            Tersky 14 December 2013 09: 57 New
            +6
            Quote: Apollon
            PSMy provider is overwhelmed, because of it I have the EU flag displayed.

            Congratulations on "joining" the EU without Euromaidan, laughing ! Sasha, Apollo, hi ! And on the topic:“In connection with the repeated anonymous reports of the mining of sites with a massive presence of people and threats of explosions that took place in November and December of this year against the backdrop of a difficult situation in the central regions of the capital, the Anti-Terrorism Center under the Security Council of Ukraine in the manner determined by the legislation of Ukraine, was I’m forced to alert the subjects of the fight against terrorism on the territory of the Kiev region, ”the statement said. RIA News". An attempt by the SBU to identify itself as saying that we are not sitting, we are working. This is especially touching "was forced to alert the subjects of the fight against terrorism on territory of the Kiev region", in the wrong region the dog is buried, oh wrong ....
          4. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 14 December 2013 10: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: Apollon
            PSMy provider is overwhelmed, because of it I have the EU flag displayed.

            Hold on .. you are clearly forcibly attached ... bully
          5. Ptah
            Ptah 14 December 2013 10: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: Apollon
            My provider is generally overgrown, because of it I have the EU flag displayed.

            What does it have to do with Waw (i.e. Azerbaijan) provider. The thing is that positioning oneself as a militaryPATRIOTICALLYTh site topwar.ru, is hosted in Germany, in Frankfurt, on the server ns1.fornex.com. Fornex Hosting SL.
            I do not want to say that this is wrong, because nobody canceled the "German quality", but hence the "flag" of the EU.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 42 New
              +3
              Quote: Ptah
              but hence the EU "flag".

              And then what are we under the Russian flags?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 14 December 2013 10: 55 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And then what are we under the Russian flags?

                Alexander, for example, I often "materialize" in VO under the Ukrainian flag, and sometimes under the German and ... ugh, damn it, amersky.
              2. Ptah
                Ptah 14 December 2013 11: 00 New
                +4
                1. Our "flags" are not Russian, but Russian.
                2. The host server is the last to determine the Russian router.
                3. On the Internet, a direct line between cities does not always mean the highest speed and connection time.
                4. I can try to explain briefly but incomprehensibly; or in detail, but not very thin brochure sizes.
                Start off?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 11: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ptah
                  1. Our "flags" are not Russian, but Russian.

                  But you don’t know where, but I have a Russian tricolor !!!
                  Quote: Ptah
                  4. I can try to explain briefly but incomprehensibly; or in detail, but not very thin brochure sizes.
                  Start off?

                  I’m not interested, I’m even more accurate than you know how Sait works.
            2. alone
              alone 14 December 2013 11: 13 New
              +5
              Quote: Ptah
              And what does your (i.e. Azerbaijan) provider have to do with it. The thing is that positioning itself as a military-patriotic site topwar.ru, is hosted in Germany, in Frankfurt, on the server ns1.fornex.com. Fornex Hosting SL
              I do not want to say that this is wrong, because nobody canceled the "German quality", but hence the "flag" of the EU.


              It turns out we are all here already in the EU !! and even the Maidan was not required! wassat
          6. Corsair
            Corsair 14 December 2013 10: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Apollon
            yes committed

            If so, please, a joke in the subject:

            The "new Russian" decided to arrange a British-style lawn near the castle,
            but hell doesn’t really grow ...
            Then he turned to the old English lord for help:
            Like, what kind of crap is this, it does not grow and that's it!
            How do you Britons grow lawns?
            The lord answers:
            We prepare the soil, sow the seeds, water it, then mow it, water it again, and
            squint, again ...
            SO THREE HUNDRED YEARS CONTRACT !!!

            Traditions, my friend, TRADITIONS!
          7. morpex
            morpex 14 December 2013 13: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Apollon
            He would have managed the collective farm so he didn’t climb into the presidency.

            Former zavgar. On the collective farm is impossible. Will ruin .. And the chairman of the collective farm and this is the little president. Example? Easy. Lukashenko ... hi
            1. 11111mail.ru
              11111mail.ru 14 December 2013 14: 04 New
              +3
              Lyaksandra Grygorevicha do not touch! Wash your hands!
              1. Egoza
                14 December 2013 15: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: 11111mail.ru
                Lyaksandra Grygorevicha do not touch! Wash your hands!

                That's for sure! It even respects opponents!
                The leader of the Okean Elzy group, Svyatoslav Vakarchuk, urged Ukrainian European integrators to follow the example of Belarus. “There are many things in Belarus that we need to learn,” he said on Gromadsky TV after returning from a tour of the neighboring state. - The biggest problem of Ukrainian officials is not that they are stubborn or authoritarian. The biggest problem is that they do not really consider it their task to ensure that the country is well. This distinguishes Ukrainian politicians from some politicians even from those countries in which we do not like the form of government. Ukrainian politicians often believe that their country is a platform for ensuring their own comfort. And they live in this paradigm - for this they go to the Verkhovna Rada or other bodies. "
                Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133586.html
  3. makarov
    makarov 14 December 2013 07: 53 New
    +6
    ".. Maidan is a" living organism ", and there are many honest and decent people, of whom the majority, because popular anger is associated with total corruption in the country, including in law enforcement agencies, the judicial system ..."

    SW komenty!
    Do I talk about this to you many times in my statements? To whom it is naturally beneficial to shit Ukrainians attributing them to "gayevropu", in reality, most people on the Maidan opposed the ruling Yanukovych GANG, since the top of the PR was and is an ordinary organized criminal group ...
    1. smel
      smel 14 December 2013 08: 00 New
      +9
      [in reality, most people on the Maidan opposed the ruling BAND of Yanukovych, since the top of the PR was and is an ordinary organized crime group ...! [/ quote]
      Dear Taldychuchy !!! If there are claims to the authorities, one must go to the elections, organize impeachment, early elections and other constitutional and legal methods. At the end of the term of office - to bring to justice the political and executive authorities. But there is no way to bring Bender’s herds of fuckers ... with chains and fittings, to smear the center of the capital and take out the anger in public in uniform (albeit police). Thus, this majority on the Maidan itself turns into a gang
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 14 December 2013 08: 33 New
        +2
        in continuation smel
        I’ll add on my own, you have such an interesting article under the number 69 in the Constitution:
        The expression of the will of the people through elections, referendum and other forms of direct democracy.

        through article 72:
        All-Ukrainian referendum appointed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine or the President of Ukraine in accordance with their powers established by this Constitution.

        All-Ukrainian referendum announced by popular initiative upon request at least three million Ukrainian citizens with the right to vote, provided that the signatures regarding the referendum are collected in at least two-thirds of the oblasts and at least one hundred thousand signatures in each oblast.


        Collect votes and demand a referendum on no confidence in the executive and legislative branches ...
        1. Stalinets
          Stalinets 14 December 2013 23: 07 New
          -1
          Have you tried it yourself? Easy tongue to blur. And what doors to knock on? EVERYTHING COMPLETED ...
      2. vladek64
        vladek64 14 December 2013 13: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: smel
        If there are claims to the authorities, you must go to the elections, organize impeachment, early elections and other constitutional and legal methods.


        Well, why such a naive thing: elections, impeachment ... Guess three times: who will win the game, in which one side plays by the rules, and the second without any rules? Do you really think that a simple Ukrainian can somehow prevent the election from being rigged?

        Quote: smel
        But there is no way to bring Bender’s herds of fuckers ... with chains and fittings, to smear the center of the capital and take out the anger in public in uniform (albeit police).

        Are you blaming Makarov for this?
        1. Egoza
          14 December 2013 15: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: vladek64
          Well, why such a naive: elections, impeachment ...

          Specifically your suggestions, pliz! Power option? Or how?
          From the force already "there are results"!
          "More than 400 people were injured during the riots in Ukraine, among them about 200 law enforcement officers, such data was provided by the Prosecutor General of Ukraine Viktor Pshonka at a meeting with delegation of the European Committee for the Prevention of Torture. According to him, during the riots that took place in the center of the capital, since November 24, 2013, more than 400 people have turned to the internal affairs bodies and were injured. "Of these - almost 200 law enforcement officers, students - 18", - said in a statement on the website of the Prosecutor General's Office of Ukraine.
          Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133618.html
          XXXX
          Honestly, I would like to see 18 victims of explosives, and the rest of 400 maydanut!
      3. morpex
        morpex 14 December 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        Quote: smel
        Dear Taldychuchy !!! If there are claims to power, you have to go to the polls,

        One more talking man tells you that there will no longer be any elections in Ukraine with this cancer ... The massacre will be even worse than now ... Now these are the flowers of that. what will happen to the elections. Look at the rehearsal. Now there are re-elections in disputed districts. Commissions on 95% of representatives of the authorities, opposition candidates are removed through pocket courts, etc. So forget about such an instrument as elections. Is there another, really good advice?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 08: 46 New
      +7
      Quote: makarov
      Someone naturally benefits from shitty Ukrainians attributing them to "gayevropu", in reality, the majority of people on the Maidan opposed the ruling gang of Yanukovych

      Then what prevents such Ukrainians from throwing Tyagnibok and Yatsenyuk off the stage? What prevents to pile up Bandera? Vrungel answered me - the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but sorry, but where will friendship with the Nazis lead the country ???
      1. makarov
        makarov 14 December 2013 13: 35 New
        +2
        SW Alexander!
        You remember the expression: "And Shepilov, who came to them," .., and so add the names of the persons involved
      2. morpex
        morpex 14 December 2013 14: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , and where will friendship with the fascists lead the country ???

        Alexander! I hasten to say right away that I am opposed to Tyagnybok's ideas. And in no way do I whiten it and do not justify it. I am a fierce opponent of the heroization of the OUN-UPA. But! You are a thinking person. Answer me without sarcasm and irony.
        Nazism is a worldview that puts at the forefront a certain group of people and advocates repressive measures in relation to the rest of humanity.
        Well, and what side is Tyagnybok here? Does he somehow distinguish Ukrainians? No, he just doesn’t like mos ... th (notice not Russians) and Jews (and who loves them?). Note that he has nothing against other Slavic nations, against Asians, Muslims, etc. If Tyagnybok is a Nazi, then your Zhirik is Hitler in general. Nevertheless, you respect Zhirik.

        And now let's make a portrait of a typical Russian topvarovets:
        Caucasus, Asia - h..ki, sheep .. you need to water you
        Ukrainians-h..ly, oranzhoidy, Svidomity, UKR, maidanutye, etc.
        Poles - Poles, Psheks,
        Swedes - received a little near Poltava,
        Europeans are gay people
        americans - p .. dos,
        Muslims - mu..im
        etc.

        Gentlemen, so who is the Nazi? You fall under this term much more precisely than Tyagnybok. Or do you have your own definition of the word Nazi, such as someone who does not like Russians?

        You can minus. Cons seem to confirm double standards on your part. Like if you do not like someone, then this is normal, they deserve it. And if you do not like-so the Nazis and fascists.
        1. Egoza
          14 December 2013 15: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          Well, and what side is Tyagnybok here? Does he somehow distinguish Ukrainians? No, he just doesn't like mos ...

          Excuse me, but "" who do you think this is?
          And do not be cunning!
          "The fact of the revival of fascism in Ukraine no longer requires any evidence, if only because the people's deputy Pan Mikhalchishin loudly shouted at the celebration of the UPA day in Lviv:" Death to the anti-fascists. "These cries were recorded and published by all the media covering this Sabbath." Http: / /www.vremia.ua/rubrics/problemy/5000.php
          XXXX
          Fascists rush to power! AND THIS IS A FACT!
          1. morpex
            morpex 14 December 2013 15: 21 New
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            And do not be cunning!

            Elena. I’m not cunning! I’m talking about the fact that you don’t need to hang tags on others but first look at yourself. There has recently been an unhealthy trend on the site because if your point of view does not coincide with the majority, you’re a Bandera and a Nazi. They scam all together. I can hate this bunch of Tyagnybokov’s more than you. But you don’t need to enlist all of Western Ukraine here. It’s not like that. You don’t have to write here that the whole east and south are on the side of Hama This is also not so. Yes, and in general I believe that dividing Ukraine into two parts that is, water to the mill of enemies. This is the support of fascism.
            1. Egoza
              14 December 2013 15: 52 New
              0
              Quote: morpex
              there is no need to enlist all of western Ukraine in their ranks.
              I agree that our people live different.
              Here is an interesting poll!
              What do they think about Maidan in the extreme points of the country
              Residents of the southernmost point of the country, the Crimean village of Foros, condemn the violence against protesters in the center of Kiev, but also against the stones in the direction of "Golden Eagle". “We work, we have no time to go on strike,” Konstantin Volkov, an employee of the village council, said “Today”. - We are the southern region, and we have our own visions of the situation. Most people think that everything can be solved peacefully: without throwing stones at Berkut’s fighters and without violence against people. ”According to him, in the village now everyone is mostly busy preparing for the holidays. “In the central square, we will have a prefabricated frame tree made of living branches.”
              West: Sitting at home
              In the most extreme western village, Solomonovo, opinions differed. Some support the Maidan, others want stability, but few want to go to the capital. “We look at what is happening and understand, but no one seems to have gone to Kiev from our village,” a local resident Olga Leshko told us. There are those who in this western village believe that the Maidan is not a method and the country needs order. “I am for that we have strong power and order, and the Maidan only divides our people,” says another resident Maria Alexandrovna, “Today”.
              East: Hesitating
              In the easternmost village of Ukraine - Krasny Luch of the Luhansk region - we were told that so far they are determined with a vector. “Understanding political life is not so simple, everything is very ambiguous. I hope that for the sake of people, both sides will find a common language. Russia or Europe, of course, is important, but first of all, Ukraine should be, ”said local resident Alexander Prishchepa. True, other residents of the village are more categorical. “My opinion is that this is just a herd that seeks to join the EU, not understanding what will happen to Ukraine. Therefore, they’re doing the right thing: they need to be dispersed, ”says Rostislav Ivanov.
              North: On your way
              In the north of Ukraine, in the village of Gremyach, Chernihiv region, the events on the Maidan are cool, but they are not in a hurry either. “To be honest, I don’t see anything good in Russia: yes, we understand each other, but there is the same mess as ours, therefore, in my opinion, we need to move in some other direction,” tells us a resident of the northernmost village of Svetlana. “Whatever happens on the Maidan, anyway, we will go to Russia, this is my desire. Maidan does not represent all of Ukraine, ”a local resident Dmitry Podorozhny told us.
              http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/chto-dumayut-o-maydane-v-kraynih-tochkah-strany-4
              82708.html
            2. Sandov
              Sandov 15 December 2013 15: 19 New
              0
              Quote: morpex
              to divide Ukraine into two parts is water for the mill of enemies. This is the support of fascism.

              Not we share Little Russia, but the fascist offspring from Lviv.
        2. Mhpv
          Mhpv 14 December 2013 15: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          Well, and what side is Tyagnybok here? Does he somehow distinguish Ukrainians? No, he just doesn’t like mos ... th (notice not Russians) and Jews (and who loves them?). Notice, he has nothing against other Slavic nations,

          Something is not visible in his ideological principles of his attitude towards Moscow ... m, all his demands on Russia and, accordingly, on the people of Russia.
          To ban communist ideology as hateful, which caused irreparable harm to the Ukrainian people. [11]
          Adopt a new law on citizenship, according to which citizenship will be granted only to those who were born in Ukraine or are ethnic Ukrainians, as well as those who have lived in Ukraine for more than 10 years, speak the Ukrainian language and know the history of Ukraine. Deprive naturalized foreigners of Ukrainian citizenship for criminal offenses. [12]
          Return to the passport the column “nationality” and birth certificate and legislatively legalize the relations of the “titular” nation and “national minorities” in Ukraine. [11]
          Introduce an examination on knowledge of the history of Ukraine to obtain citizenship.
          To establish the proportional principle of participation of Ukrainians and representatives of national minorities in all spheres of state and economic activity (government, business, education, etc.) [12]
          Strict anti-immigration laws. [11]
          Adopt the law “On the Protection of the Ukrainian Language.” [11]
          A compulsory exam in the Ukrainian language for all public servants and candidates for any elected posts. [11]
          Return of all ethnic Ukrainians to Ukraine. [11]
          Protection of the national information space of Ukraine (by controlling the media, television, radio, Internet). [11]
          Recognition of the fact of the occupation of Ukraine by Bolshevik Russia in 1918 — 1991. [11]
          Public Trial of Communism. [11]
          The elimination of all imperial-Bolshevik symbols. [11]
          Official recognition, apology and compensation [from Russia] for the genocide of the Ukrainian nation. [11]
          Compensation [from Russia] to the heirs of repressed Ukrainians. [11]
          Status of deportees (from Russia and Poland) to Ukrainians of the Kuban, Kholmshchyna. [11]
          The creation of the Baltic-Black Sea geopolitical arc (between Europe and Russia). [11]
          Visa Regime with Russia. [11]
          Bilateral agreements with the United States and Britain on their military assistance in the event of armed aggression against Ukraine. [11]
          The nuclear status of Ukraine. [11]
          Changing the status of Crimea from autonomous to regional and canceling the special status of the city of Sevastopol (at the same time, Sevastopol becomes a "free port"). [11]
          State program for the integration of Crimea into Ukrainian society. [11]
          1. morpex
            morpex 14 December 2013 15: 31 New
            +3
            Quote: mhpv
            Something is not visible in his ideological principles of his attitude towards Moscow ... m, all his demands on Russia and, accordingly, on the people of Russia.

            I Tyagnybok cited as an example the statement that I read here, but not for that. to whiten him in his politics. I, like any sane person, consider him a great evil for Ukraine, which works more to divide my country than to unite it.
            1. Mhpv
              Mhpv 14 December 2013 15: 52 New
              +2
              The Marine has long been clear to everyone that the power of Yanukovych, the Ukrainians, has gotten you, but it all started with European integration, and now, on the Maidan, different groups are trying to solve their problems and there is no unity, and even more so, this is not a civilized approach.
              I would like to remind you that the events just before the New Year in Russia, 1999, especially about the transfer of power, maybe it’s time for Yanukovych and the people on the Maidan to remind how this is done in a more civilized manner, and people are calm, and the capital is clean, whole and smart for the New Year hi
              1. morpex
                morpex 14 December 2013 16: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: mhpv
                I would like to remind you that the events just before the New Year in Russia, 1999, especially about the transfer of power, maybe it’s time for Yanukovych and the people on the Maidan to remind how this is done in a more civilized manner, and people are calm, and the capital is clean, whole and smart for the New Year

                It would be the best option of all. And at least sucked on Azirov. That is because 66 is the other day. With retirement honors ... And the sheep are safe and the wolves are full ...
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 15 December 2013 15: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: morpex
          Ukrainians-h..ly, oranzhoidy, Svidomity, UKR, maidanutye, etc.

          There are Russ in Little Russia. The rest is nonsense.
    3. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 14 December 2013 09: 20 New
      -2
      Paul! I hope that it will come to Romanov, for the sake of which the people came to the Maidan. And who is on the Maidan. It is not Bandera and nationalists who are guarding the peaceful protest against the mafiosi in power, but Afghan soldiers, officers and security forces in reserve. An honest and decent people driven to despair. Showed at night a bus with Zaporozhye and Mariupol police officers. The guys on cell phones filled SMSs and put them in the windows of the bus. "We are with the people of Ukraine". "We want to go home. Families are worried, We are being set up."
      Yesterday I got a lot of pleasure, watching how fleeing, through the back door, "Yanukovych, with his guards, was fleeing from journalists after a round table. This is the president. Demonstrating not only cowardice, but also stupidity. How girls journalists mocked him," Viktor Fedorovich! Stop! do not be afraid! We will not beat you. Answer the questions. "Escaped. And this is for the authority of Ukraine? The Maidan keeps the dignity and respect of the whole world for Ukraine.
      Pavel! Our opponents will not understand. This material is somewhat stupid to them in the place from the name of which Yanukovych faints. I put you a plus sign. A minus flew to you right there. Good luck The organized crime group from collapse will collapse. They will bite each other.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 09: 51 New
        +7
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        ! I hope that it will reach Romanov, for the sake of which the people went on the Maidan.

        It has come a long time, it does not reach you.
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        And who is on the Maidan. Not Bandera and nationalists guard a peaceful protest against mafia authorities, but Afghan warriors

        How old is the youngest Vfganese now, are these scumbags too young?
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Independence Square holds the dignity and respect of the whole world for Ukraine.

        Than, well-worn porches and garbage. What respect, to whom? If the EU commissioners are pushing for international law, they are pushing people to fight and support it. In a country that is respected, this is not permissible.
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        The organized crime group from collapse will collapse. They will bite each other.

        It will collapse and another clan will replace this clan, the question is, what will change? Or maybe those who are standing on the maidan stage cannot sleep while looking at how shitty people are.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 14 December 2013 10: 15 New
          -2
          Good morning (or evening), Alexander Romanov. With relief from you. hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 23 New
            +6
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Good morning (or evening), Alexander Romanov. Relieved you

            Ah hi! Minus bet-aaaa in a trance wassat Are there not your Afghans in the photo for an hour?
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 14 December 2013 11: 14 New
          +1
          These are your heroes. The fruit of the party of regions in order to split Ukraine. But jumped out of control.
          These are my friends. Some of them are on the Maidan. They are strong not stupidly inflated muscles. They are strong in spirit, faith, truth. These are people with a clear conscience, which is completely absent from your heroes.
          Only the moral can put them on the side of the nationalists. Yes, what to explain to you. They fought. You served. Someone considered ammo, someone compotes. Someone measured their fiery path of service in kilometers, someone herring. As they say, to each his own. But do not judge, and you will not be judged. hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 11: 26 New
            +5
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            These are your heroes. The fruit of the party of regions in order to split Ukraine. But jumped out of control.

            You still say that Tyagnibok is the fruit of a party of regions, and it’s better to immediately fool I put a fresh photo for you from Maidan, but you don’t know where the summer came from, how weakly can you post your Afghans from Maidan, since there are most of them?
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Only the moral can put them on the side of the nationalists.

            Yes, where are they, show me, at least put a small photo, and I’ll post a dozen photos to you with Natsik.
            1. Captain Vrungel
              Captain Vrungel 14 December 2013 12: 48 New
              -6
              Firstly, You Su kaa (Japanese surprise) do not poke. Maybe you are Benya from Egersheld. Then simple. Benya lived on Egersheld. Benya loved his mother, So Benny has a mother. So there is where to send. You are said in Russian. Fuck off. It’s not interesting with you. It’s not enough that a copy of Kolesnichenko-regional, still not smart .. What would you do without quotes Kiselev? And close your black mouth to those who passed Afghanistan. They have not yet reported to the feces. You can apply the last method of scoundrels. Delete text. We also have bandits acting with dissidents. hi
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 13: 04 New
                0
                Quote: Captain Vrungel
                Delete text

                Tex will remain, and you will fly away in the ban.
                1. uhjpysq1
                  uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 13: 15 New
                  +1
                  Alexander Romanov .very please do not ban Captain Vrungel. Pity the poor maydaun.
          2. morpex
            morpex 14 December 2013 14: 39 New
            0
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            They fought. You served. Someone considered ammo, someone compotes.

            Captain! I’m taking off my hat in front of you and these guys. Don’t pay attention to the shelupon that minuses you. Even if I were your ideological opponent, I would respect you for your point of view anyway. And my hand would never click on the minus looking at this photo of real men.
            1. uhjpysq1
              uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 15: 07 New
              +4
              ) was in the 1st Chechen case, 2 fellow soldiers met, hugged, remembered about the joint service. We’ve split up and let’s make fun of each other again.) so that past merits are not considered. Or are you for Russia or against.
    4. morpex
      morpex 14 December 2013 14: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      Isn't that what I’ve been talking about to you many times in my statements.

      I also try to prove it. But in response, a wall of misunderstanding at best. In the worst, Bandera and Svidomo are called
  4. uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 08: 12 New
    +3
    "Isn't this what I talk about to you many times in my statements. Who would naturally benefit from shitting Ukrainians attributing to them" gayevrope ", in reality the majority of people on the Maidan opposed the ruling Gang of Yanukovych, since the top of the PR was and is an ordinary organized criminal group ... ! "
    )) only the leaders of the Maidan-banderlog, fagot, rabbit.)
    1. Rusich51
      Rusich51 14 December 2013 12: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: uhjpysq1
      "Isn't this what I talk about to you many times in my statements. Who would naturally benefit from shitting Ukrainians attributing to them" gayevrope ", in reality the majority of people on the Maidan opposed the ruling Gang of Yanukovych, since the top of the PR was and is an ordinary organized criminal group ... ! "
      )) only the leaders of the Maidan-banderlog, fagot, rabbit.)

      And who exactly is who? laughing
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        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 14 December 2013 13: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: uhjpysq1
          ) a normal man will not do photosets for fagots.


          I understood everything, sadly. It seemed like a strong man.
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  5. Hleb
    Hleb 14 December 2013 08: 19 New
    +2
    laid out, no?
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 14 December 2013 09: 00 New
    +4
    In no civilized country in the world can such a thing be possible for special forces to "merge"

    In Russia, Serdyukov was merged by Berdsky Special Forces - as I see the same bastard .. and there are in UKRAINE (I do not envy the special forces
    constantly between the rock and the hard place)
  7. Egoza
    14 December 2013 09: 09 New
    +4
    "The first president of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, at a round table between the authorities and the opposition in the Shuster live studio, called for support of the proposal of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych to introduce a moratorium on any forceful actions.
    “You can make a decision for law enforcement agencies, but the president cannot give directives to ordinary people. I think that if you turn to people, they will say that they want peace, so the president’s proposal is very significant, ”Kravchuk said.
    The opposition believes that such a moratorium is a strange decision, since Euromaidan is a peaceful rally.
    “I don’t remember that during the 20 days of the Maidan the opposition showed aggression or intolerance. The moratorium is a strange decision, ”said People’s Deputy from VO" Freedom "Alexei Kaida.
    “All the police in Ukraine are currently in Kiev. What is a moratorium? Give half of the police back, why should the entire Berkut be in Kiev? For 20 days nothing got on the Maidan, the high organization of the population. There are no legal grounds for what is happening in Kiev, there is no state of emergency in Kiev, "says Viktor Chumak, a deputy from the UDAR party."
    http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/oppoziciya-ne-vidit-neobhodimosti-v-prinya
    tii-moratoriya-na-lyubye-silovye-deystviya-482692.html
    xxxxx
    Well, so peaceful! so peaceful! And chains, and cobblestones, and fires - all tools of labor production! am
  8. Egoza
    14 December 2013 09: 15 New
    +5
    And at the same time -
    "Kolesnichenko noted that today around Sevastopol there are several bases, "where national-fascist thugs spend the night and prepare to blockade units of the Black Sea Fleet, to create provocations and to cause destabilization in our city"... “I must say that in Kiev today we see an obvious attempt at a coup d'état, which is openly financed from abroad. Millions of dollars are brought in by diplomatic mail, which are being rushed today to the so-called heating up of this Maidan. so that the streets of cities work in the interests of the city, in the interests of the townspeople, and not turn into gadyushniks, not turn into barricades, not turn into a disgrace for the whole world, "the people's deputy noted. “Particularly shameful are the attempts of these so-called European integrators to show their snouts. This is the demolition of a monument to Lenin. This is a monument painted with Bandera, fascist symbols, a monument to the victims of 1918, when, as I recall, Kiev workers were shot. And I must say that the country is firmly and unequivocally opposed to this ... Already today, in the coming days, thousands of Sevastopol residents are leaving for Kiev. Similar trains, bus columns go from all sides to the territory of Kiev in order for us to show presumptuous scoundrels who are hiding under the guise of diplomatic passports, mandates of MEPs, representatives of other countries who are trying to provoke a real conflict and warm their sleek hands on this conflict.I think that we will still defend our Constitution, we will defend our sovereign right to determine ourselves the future of our own state, "said regi onal. "
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133603.html
    Once again I take off my hat to the Crimean correspondent! MILITARY CORRESPONDENT! What does a person who has been to "hot spots" mean - immediately felt that something was being prepared in Crimea. I just hope that the Russian fleet is not so easy to take! Once again, the fascists will be reminded, if something happens, that Sevastopol is a city of Russian sailors!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 14 December 2013 10: 26 New
      +5
      Quote: Egoza
      And at the same time - "Kolesnichenko noted that today there are several bases around Sevastopol," where national-fascist youths spend the night and prepare to block the units of the Black Sea Fleet, to create provocations and to cause destabilization in our city. "

      Kolesnichenko is right. Here is the news about the next "infusion" of the State Department of kerosene: WASHINGTON, 14 DECEMBER. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Dmitry Zlodorev. In the 2013 year, the US administration allocated 100 million dollars to provide economic assistance to Ukraine. This was announced on December 13 by the US State Department, responding to a request from journalists to comment on how Washington is contributing to the integration of Kiev and the European Union.
      The US Foreign Ministry said in a statement that "in fiscal 2013, the United States allocated $ 100 million to help modernize the Ukrainian economy, democratization and other reforms". As emphasized in the State Department, this was done in order to" help Ukraine to integrate with the European Union. "
      . Completely here Helen, hi !
  9. Egoza
    14 December 2013 09: 26 New
    +1
    And one more "pearl"
    “One of the opposition leaders, Vitali Klitschko, emotionally and expressively addressed the participants of the Euromaidan. The leader of the UDAR during his speech would frequent and cut off his phrases.
    It seemed to some listeners that the politician was weaving his tongue, and laughter started in the press center: “Did he drink it?” Although the matter could not be in alcohol, but in a surging adrenaline following the results of communication at the Round Table, a correspondent of Today.ua reports.
    Anyway, At the end of his speech, Klitschko “blew up” the public, saying that any aggressor on the Maidan would deal personally with him.
    “But in no case do not succumb to provocations. We have a peaceful demonstration. And tomorrow no aggression. Whoever shows aggression will deal personally with me, ” - warned the politician and recalled the basic requirements of Euromaidan.
    “We clearly expressed our position that in no case should we use force against demonstrators. Each of Ukrainians has the right to go out to demand living in a better European country. They released several people and opened 30 criminal cases. Does this mean a democratic direction? ”- Klitschko was indignant.
    http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/klichko-evromaydanu-kto-proyavit-agressiyu
    -budet-imet-delo-lichno-so-mnoy-482695.html
    xxxxx
    And what did you think, Grispedin Klitschko !? (grispedin = fucking gentleman (auth. Dravin) Do not crush the police with a bulldozer, dump monuments, beat people up, and do not open criminal cases? Go to Germany for a consultation, ask how the police are doing there! under house arrest, on bail ... If they run away, will you catch it yourself?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 14 December 2013 10: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      . Whoever displays aggression will deal personally with me, ”the politician warned and reminded of the basic requirements of Euromaidan.

      And if Che, then I'll call my brother wassat
      Does this warning refer to "mitinguvalnikov" or power?

      The only pity is that the bogai did not "fall under the distribution" during the first dispersal of the Maidan ...
      Maybe at least the special forces would have knocked out the teutonic arrogance from it?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: Corsair
        Maybe at least the special forces would have knocked out the teutonic arrogance from it?

        Yes, there’s nothing special in the head and there’s nothing to knock out, he was beaten on the head so often that there was only a bone laughing
      2. Ptah
        Ptah 14 December 2013 10: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Corsair
        Teutonic arrogance?

        Rather, the eternal noble-Jewish thirst to be excited by the revolution and a feeling of latent resentment against "mos.kaley".
        And the motto of the Teutonic Order: "Helfen - Wehren - Heilen" ("Helping - Protecting - Healing"). Is there anything related to Klitschk?
        For Germany, he is an empty-headed landsknecht, who ate fly agarics and received befehl "Vorwärts". According to our "fas ......"
  10. akreworpa
    akreworpa 14 December 2013 09: 39 New
    +7
    Independence Square holds the dignity and respect of the whole world for Ukraine.

    Excellent dignity and respect. Zaa the central part of the city, the inhabitants of Kiev can not work and live normally, a miracle.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: akreworpa

      Excellent dignity and respect. Zaa the central part of the city, the inhabitants of Kiev can not work and live normally, a miracle.

      So the minus came, you see from the one who is directly involved in this laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 19 New
        +1
        Judging by the minus set to me, I hit the mark laughing Probably he personally made a significant contribution to the "beautification" of the entrances lol
  11. akreworpa
    akreworpa 14 December 2013 09: 43 New
    +6
    Power, of course, to put it simply, no power. Opposition leaders must be arrested under all laws. And I would be interested to see how "Berkut" breaks off the horns of the German Klitschko.
    1. Rusich51
      Rusich51 14 December 2013 12: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: akreworpa
      Power, of course, to put it simply, no power. Opposition leaders must be arrested under all laws. And I would be interested to see how "Berkut" breaks off the horns of the German Klitschko.

      Yes, the picture is worth a pen. wassat
  12. standby
    standby 14 December 2013 09: 49 New
    +5
    ".. Maidan is a" living organism ", and there are many honest and decent people, of whom the majority, because popular anger is associated with total corruption in the country, including in law enforcement agencies, the judicial system ..."


    And these honest and decent people want to help the Nazis in the country to restore order? Or ruin a country?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 01 New
      +4
      Quote: Standby

      And these honest and decent people want to help the Nazis in the country to restore order? Or ruin a country?

      They want to throw Yanukovych and rule themselves, only they will eventually rule them laughing
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 December 2013 10: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They want to throw Yanukovych and rule themselves, only they will eventually rule them

        It is clear that in the elections of the 15th year Yanukovych is no longer a "tenant", but the bezpredelschikov need power already today, instantly.

        Otherwise, God forbid, Yulka will be released, and she will crush and crush the whole "alignment" of the "trinity" ...
        Nevertheless, she has her own interest, in which the Yatsenyuk, nicknames and dragsters do not fit in any way.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 11: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          It is clear that in the 15th elections Yanukovych is no longer a "tenant"

          And will it reach at least 31 December 2013 year?
          Quote: Corsair

          Otherwise, God forbid, Yulka will be released, and she will crush and crush the whole "alignment" of the "trinity" ...

          But the trinity in FIG did not fall, for each of them she is a threat on their way to the throne, especially for Klitschko.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 14 December 2013 11: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And will it reach at least 31 December 2013 year?

            But THIS, Alexander is the worst thing that can happen.
            Given the fragmentation of Ukrainian society, it is scary to assumeWHAT will begin...
            1. Egoza
              14 December 2013 12: 29 New
              +6
              Quote: Corsair
              Given the fragmentation of Ukrainian society, it is scary to assume WHAT will begin ..

              Kiev - Euromaidan participants beat Russian-speaking Kievans
              The only thing that Sergei Rulev, correspondent of "Slavyanskie Vesti", phoned me. In the transition from the station "Maidan Nezalezhnosti" to Khreshchatyk, he witnessed how at 13:10 a fight broke out: 5-6 young people from the "Euromaidan" attacked a Kiev resident - a reserve commander named Andrey (after the fight, Rulev went to him) -46 years old. They attacked a Kievite for the fact that he expressed dissatisfaction with the people in Russian ... 5-6 people attacked, some of them were wearing masks. Several more people joined them and shouted "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to heroes!" they began to beat him. The man was able to fight off only thanks to his high growth and good physical parameters. We survived ... Isn't it time to start uniting now before the invasion of locusts that occupied our hometown? ", - writes IA REX expert Miroslava Berdnik in his blog.
              Lev Vershinin, political scientist and historian, candidate of historical sciences:
              All the data of Andrey Ts-ka, an indigenous Kiev resident, respected Sergey Rulev was recorded. There are also documented 11 cases of beatings for the Russian language or an attempt to persuade the unsolicited guests of the capital. And that's just what they wrote to me in the morning. And that just started. In general, dear Kievans, this is no longer your tooth. Knit a thread. Or...
              http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/222653-kiev-uchastniki-evromaydana-izbivayu
              t-russkoyazychnyh-kievlyan.html
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 14 December 2013 13: 26 New
                +2
                Quote: Egoza
                And that just started. In general, dear Kievans, this is no longer your tooth. Knit a thread. Or...

                What else could Ukraine slide into, where is the limit of decline and degradation?
                If the authorities do not take up their minds, then the people will take up the "business." CIVIL WAR with all the consequences ...
                1. Egoza
                  14 December 2013 14: 48 New
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  then the people will take up the "case"

                  Today in Kiev will be held a peaceful protest of Kiev residents who are unhappy with the "disorder and chaos in the center of the capital"... The action, according to the organizers, will take place on a voluntary basis - “no one will pay, all the residents of Kiev, who are fed up with it all, are organizing themselves.” It is forbidden for the participants of the event to cover their faces in order to avoid provocations. All events will be filmed on mobile phones and other recording devices. Television will be filming. The safety of the event will be guaranteed by law enforcement officers. The purpose of the event: to remove all barricades and borders from law enforcement agencies from the streets of the city and to start up transport, "the organizers of the event said.
                  Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133634.html
                  The Anti-Terrorism Center alerted the actors in the fight against terrorism in the Kiev region in connection with the events around Euromaidan in Kiev. This was reported by the press center of the Security Service of Ukraine. "In connection with the repeated anonymous reports of the mining of objects with mass presence of people and threats to commit explosions that took place in November and December this year against the background of a difficult situation in the central districts of the capital, the Anti-Terrorist Center under the Security Council of Ukraine, in the manner prescribed by the legislation of Ukraine, was forced to to alert the subjects of the fight against terrorism on the territory of the Kiev region, "the message says. The department reported that the corresponding decision was made in accordance with the Law of Ukraine "On Combating Terrorism" and other normative legal acts regulating the functioning of the national system of combating terrorism
                  Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-133625.html
  13. NKVD
    NKVD 14 December 2013 09: 55 New
    +6
    The Riga scenario. When Gorbachev betrayed the riot police
  14. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 10: 15 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    They want to throw Yanukovych and rule themselves, only they will eventually rule them

    The US ambassador fed the cookies .. (time to work out ..) laughing Mackeyney across the ocean is already waving a whip "Get Ukraine .."))) Yanuca will be thrown off by the President (with his American wife) ... Sound familiar?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 10: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Is that familiar?

      So I don’t need to say, identity to Vrungel, otherwise he already forgot about Yushchenko and the promised paradise lol
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 14 December 2013 12: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        So I don’t need to say, identity to Vrungel, otherwise he already forgot about Yushchenko and the promised paradise

        So the flag was changed, it was:
        became:
        , hence the memory lapses. laughing ! Here are just a change of position ....
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        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 14 December 2013 13: 27 New
          +1
          Here is my flag. Was, is and will be.
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 14 December 2013 14: 05 New
            +2
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Here is my flag. Was, is and will be.

            Oh, someone I immediately remembered Stanislavsky ..
          2. major071
            major071 14 December 2013 14: 19 New
            +9
            In order for a good opinion to be formed about a person, a lot of effort must be made, and for a negative one phrase is enough. But the flag does not mean anything. soldier
          3. Egoza
            14 December 2013 14: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Here is my flag. Was, is and will be.

            It is wonderful! please answer one question! DO YOU PERSONALLY FOR AN ASSOCIATION WITH THE EU OR FOR JOINING THE CU? Maybe you said, but somehow during the polemic I missed this moment!
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 10: 26 New
    +5
    I remembered the song (may the WWII veterans forgive me for the association):
    "Little blue handkerchief ..." more "Scribbling a bulletiner for a blue handkerchief .." and most importantly "Kiev was bombed .. we were announced that the WAR began .." God forbid!
  16. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 10: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    So I don’t need to say, identity to Vrungel, otherwise he already forgot about Yushchenko and the promised paradise

    I know .. but he reads you so ..))) Maybe it will come ...? fat from bombers (NATO) is unlikely to be dropped. fool
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 December 2013 11: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Maybe it will ...?

      No, he won’t, there is power in truth, but the truth is only with him laughing
  17. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 14 December 2013 10: 58 New
    +3
    By "punishing" the special forces, the authorities want to appease the opposition. But the opposite will turn out. The complexity of the situation is compounded by the fact that among the protesters there are provocateurs and normal, ordinary people. Exposing special forces against them, the authorities must understand the entire measure of responsibility to both people and special forces.
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 14 December 2013 11: 03 New
    +2
    Generally disgrace. Instead of holding the crowd under their arms, carefully guiding them without a crush into the city hall, the administration of the government and the president, they began to dissolve their hands! What is it with such brawlers and to Europe? The hypocritical anger of cowardly politicians is always expressed in the appointment of those responsible for their mediocre activities. Love arises only when they themselves are taken for gills. And here. The government is not to hell (they cannot really write lame paper), the Golden Eagle is to hell (he is always fighting), the parliament, and to hell (he didn’t let Yulka go). Yes, even get it. Well, how to work here!
  19. major071
    major071 14 December 2013 11: 12 New
    +6
    In Germany, the story of the bulldozer, as we had on Bankovaya, would not have occurred to any law-abiding German.

    They will look at law-abiding burghers at maydowns and say: yes, in FIGs, we need these wild EUs, we have enough of our own. laughing
    1. Egoza
      14 December 2013 13: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: major071
      They will look at law-abiding burghers at maydowns and say: yes, in figs we need these wild EUs,

      Your words - yes to Europeans in the ears! I think that Yanukovych, having calculated everything, and finally, drawing attention to the economic and political component, slowed down the signing, and note that he was going to do this somewhere in February-March. And at this time, just re-elections to the European Parliament! And it is not a fact that the "new" would also strongly support our opposition and, in general, the signing of an association with Ukraine. There are already voices against it! They themselves would have given up on us, but then, Yanukovych could have shrugged off his hands and said: "They themselves have given up on us. We have no choice! We are going to the TS." Oppa also considered this option, and therefore brought the "European integrators" to the Maidan! (Remember! The Maidan began when it became known that the signing was postponed! They did not even refuse, but postponed!) They tried to seize power while there are sufficient forces in the EU, which would like to put a "pocket president" at the head of Ukraine! IMHO
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 14 December 2013 14: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: major071
      They will look at law-abiding burghers at maydowns and say: yes, in FIGs, we need these wild EUs, we have enough of our own.

      People in the EU are needed as BUYERS, territory as a FOUNDATION. Therefore, WHAT would not be, for such purposes will come down ...
  20. cooper
    cooper 14 December 2013 11: 19 New
    -6
    it’s also interesting to see
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 14 December 2013 12: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: Cooper
      it’s also interesting to see

      Here you are a real maydanoy provocateur. I saw an interview with these guys. They said that during the stampede they were inside the riot police cordon, then they were just released. So, aunt.
  21. alone
    alone 14 December 2013 11: 22 New
    +1
    No matter how much they say, the fact remains. There will not be a violent solution to the problem. We will wait for the denouement. I hope there is a way out (I am sure of this). I spent almost a year in Kiev and I know the people of Ukraine a bit. Good luck to you Ukrainians !! hi

    P.S. Oh, I don’t have enough dumplings with cherries now! I would eat 30-40 with pleasure)) laughing
    with a gorilka "Getman"
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 14 December 2013 15: 25 New
      0
      Quote: lonely
      Oh, I don’t have enough dumplings with cherries now! I would love to eat 30-40 pieces))
      with a gorilka "Getman"

      and I am fat .. and fat again ....)) local fat was staggered) well, Muslims cannot make fat wassat every time I buy a new one .. and it's not that ..)) ka who, in 2005, is familiar with a Ukrainian brought a kilogram of fat .. so in the mountains .. they all left 25 skewers of lul and pounced on lard))))))) well, and vodka by itself, only Ukrainian .. Nemiroff .. it has become better .. unlike the Russian ... Ossetians are not asleep))))))))))
    2. Egoza
      14 December 2013 15: 31 New
      0
      Quote: lonely
      Oh, I don’t have enough dumplings with cherries now! I would love to eat 30-40 pieces))

      And what do you have in your stores no frozen cherries? Among the frozen sets of fruits and vegetables, look! And as you will find ... forward! Blind as much as you want! True, you will need to be careful - bones! And you will be happy! hi
      1. alone
        alone 14 December 2013 23: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        And what do you have in your stores no frozen cherries?


        we don’t use frozen cherries. why do we need frozen, fresh in bulk)) well, and in winter only in the form of jam and compotes))
  22. IGS
    IGS 14 December 2013 11: 52 New
    +3
    I don’t want to touch the topic of what is happening in Ukraine, I’m tired of it already. But the special forces will be disbanded in any scenario of the future of Ukraine. It's a pity for the guys, but this is also their "merit" and their immediate commanders. Refusing to go out? Dismissal report and do not go out and have your opinion. I think that most of those who did not come out didn’t submit a report, and remained with the loan and the salary.
  23. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 12: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: major071
    In Germany, the story of the bulldozer, as we had on Bankovaya, would not have occurred to any law-abiding German.

    They will look at law-abiding burghers at maydowns and say: yes, in FIGs, we need these wild EUs, we have enough of our own. laughing

    They just need such people on the Russian border .. Alas, this is a fact ..! They will feed a little bit .. to be meaner ..! Maydaunas in one word. (I'm not talking about everyone of course ..) But the flags of the NATO countries and the US ambassador in the center Kiev ..this says a lot ..! A powerful blow to the Slavic civilization ... This is not the Caucasus and not Yugoslavia .. They beat the very heart ..... and! It hurts men to look at all this bedlam ... Gays take revenge on us .. they are getting ready for the Sochi Olympics!
  24. Yeraz
    Yeraz 14 December 2013 12: 57 New
    -8
    Well done Ukrainians. Berkut from the Western part was especially pleased, refusing to beat his people.
    And the most interesting thing is if the Russian population is against, then where are the Maidan in Donetsk and other cities of the eastern part ??? Why do Ukrainians have the courage to go out and demand, and the eastern part doesn’t. Or we can go out only to migrant pogroms ???
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 14 December 2013 13: 10 New
      +3
      Quote: Yeraz
      Why do Ukrainians have the courage to go out and demand, but the eastern part doesn’t. Or can we go out only to migrant pogroms ???

      Because the eastern part also works. handles these gay loafers.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 December 2013 13: 41 New
        +3
        Quote: Garrin
        Because the eastern part also works. handles these gay loafers.

        Along the way in between between work, having time to say "NO" to the Maidan ...
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 December 2013 13: 50 New
        -4
        Quote: Garrin
        Quote: Yeraz
        Why do Ukrainians have the courage to go out and demand, but the eastern part doesn’t. Or can we go out only to migrant pogroms ???

        Because the eastern part also works. handles these gay loafers.

        Che begin, I love the topic of Russian work, and all the other loafers. And that they live from the Western part, because Ukraine is a poor country)))
        Sometimes it’s just amazing how stupid or naive or troll-lovers are. The western part is all laborers abroad with nothing at the offices, and then it’s hard to call them loafers, well, it’s not very beautiful.
        1. Egoza
          14 December 2013 14: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          The western part is all farm laborers abroad with nothing to do with offices, and then with labor, and calling them loafers is not very nice.

          And to work for their country, they are not! But pensions, subsidies and other help from the east of Ukraine - so they are! And it’s not true that the East does not rally! Got it already!
          At the Arsenalnaya metro station in the center of Kiev, several thousand supporters of the Party of Regions from the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine gathered, the most massive of the actions organized so far in support of the course of President Viktor Yanukovych is expected.
          “We came here to support the president,” said one of the protesters. “Ukraine needs calm and a working economy,” another protester added. “We want to be heard.”
          In the hands of those gathered Ukrainian flags and posters with the inscriptions "Donbass", "Odessa", "Sevastopol", "Kherson", ITAR-TASS reports.
          As expected, this will be the most massive of the actions organized so far in support of the course of President Viktor Yanukovych and the actions of the government. It will last two days, and then become, according to the organizers, indefinite.
          Only from the Donetsk region, as reported in the regional branch of the Party of Regions, about 20 thousand people went to the capital - metallurgists, miners, representatives of local authorities.
          http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/222689-v-centre-kieva-sobralos-neskolko-tys
          yach-storonnikov-partii-regionov.html
          Two trains with students arrived in Kiev from Odessa.
          So, the first squad went to 18.38. More than 500 students and accompanying teachers left there. At the same time, the second train departed about 23.00. The source found it difficult to name the number of students in the second train, TSN reports.
          most of the students study at the National University "Odessa Law Academy" and the International Humanitarian University. According to the head of the student council Valeria Prushchak, the student council decided to go to Kiev for the weekend to express their political convictions. http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/v-kiev-privezli-dva-poezda-odesskih-studen
          tov-482762.html
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 14 December 2013 20: 03 New
            0
            Lena, thanks! Ahead of the answer. I have nothing to add.
      3. GastaClaus69
        GastaClaus69 14 December 2013 14: 31 New
        -2
        Quote: Garrin
        Because the eastern part is working

        Ukraine is pulled north, center and south! In the east, a grizzly would have been without coal, and in the west, dying of hunger, they were proud of their traditions.
    2. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 14 December 2013 13: 34 New
      +1
      Yeraz) you are clearly hosted in Russia.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 December 2013 13: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: uhjpysq1
        Yeraz) you are clearly hosted in Russia.

        And don’t tell)) I’m waiting for Novruz Bayram when they will go to their new neighbors with treats to treat them with sweets, will they understand me correctly))) Just in another place where I lived from childhood and everyone was native Petersburgers it was normal, like Kurban Bayram, and here some kind of muddy only 3 neighbors greet and communicate ..
        1. IGS
          IGS 14 December 2013 15: 16 New
          +2
          Yes, what are you sorbets, halva and baklava. You gruff cookies with a pen, yes kielbasa on holidays from a bowl laughing
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 14 December 2013 13: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Yeraz
      And the most interesting thing is if the Russian population is against, then where are the Maidan in Donetsk and other cities of the eastern part ???

      Do you have bad internet, or just a limited worldview?
      It'll be enough?
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 14 December 2013 13: 43 New
        -1
        Quote: Corsair
        Quote: Yeraz
        And the most interesting thing is if the Russian population is against, then where are the Maidan in Donetsk and other cities of the eastern part ???

        Do you have bad internet, or just a limited worldview?
        It'll be enough?

        It is not even close to the Maidan.
        It is possible specifics, when and where and how many people and what they demanded. The photo is not very clear) more precisely, it’s clear that there are thousands of forces here 5))
        1. IGS
          IGS 14 December 2013 14: 51 New
          +4
          Want specifics ... Well, I have them. Where does the slogan "Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the hero!" do you know? And its continuation? "... Glory to the nation, death to enemies!" , there is one more: "One race, one nation, one Ukraine!" ... This all has already happened. You do not want to create your own country, no, you are looking for someone to sell it to.
          As for the Maidan, here is the link http://vk.com/club51936140, look useful to you or your friends.
          How did you get it, it was all already, do not calm down, did you feel a sense of inferiority? A complex of children's grievances 70 years ago?
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 15 December 2013 15: 34 New
            0
            Firmly in the head of the Natsik fascism settled. I wish the Russians in Little Russia to specifically squeeze these traitors.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 14 December 2013 16: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: Yeraz
          It is possible specifics, when and where and how many people and what they demanded

          This is a rally in Donetsk, in terms of the number of REMAINING people present it may not reach the Kiev banderach (where lumpen was taken from all over Uraina), but representatives of the labor collectives of Donbass, periodically replacing each other, will not yield in stubbornness in the struggle for at least flimsy but stability.
          The requirements are simple: NO drawing Ukraine into the bondage of European integration,NO the fall in living standards as a result of this,YES establishing constitutional order.
          It's all in FIRST LINE, then reforms in the country, raising the economy and welfare of the people.
          But this later, and now people demand the establishment of elementary order in the country in general and in the capital in particular ...
    4. smersh70
      smersh70 14 December 2013 15: 05 New
      -2
      Quote: Yeraz
      Berkut from the Western part was especially pleased, refusing to beat his people.

      because they love their country .... they have brains in their head .... look what appeals were .. all .. Golden eagle of all .. filled up. Glory to Golden Eagle .. that wets everyone and everything ... but no. ..... they know that besides the order there is also a heart ........ they also want Schengen ....)))))) to live in a democratic country ... they think about the future of their children. .
      even a son and not understanding it. language .. I look eagerly watching a telly about Ukraine .. and knows everything that happens there .... I asked him .. who do you support .. he said one word-MAIDAN !!! smile ......
      1. IGS
        IGS 14 December 2013 20: 19 New
        +1
        And for some reason, probably, because of dementia, I thought that I did not need to sell a lot of brains. Although ... their indignation resembles the indignation of a market trader who was prevented from selling a bag of potatoes profitably ... the only problem is that this is their Homeland ... although, I’m quite honest, I can sell my wife and mother for Schengen. This is Schengen !!! True, no one gives Schengen, but I want to sell ... Maidan, however ..
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 15 December 2013 15: 36 New
        0
        Quote: smersh70
        live in a democratic country ... think about the future of their children ..
        even a son and not understanding it. language .. I look eagerly watching a telly about Ukraine .. and knows everything that happens there .... I asked him .. who do you support .. he said one word-MAIDAN !!!

        Don’t tell a laugh. You drive.
  25. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 13: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Berkut from the Western part was especially pleased, refusing to beat his people.

    Well, it means that soon the special forces from the EU will hobble you .. (rubber water cannons and not only bullets .... tear gas ..) immediately run up to the McDonald's to eat burgers and drink Coca-Cola ... (do not forget to cross the road when stopping red) ..) otherwise you’ll get a head over with a baton .. European integration however ...! bully
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 December 2013 13: 46 New
      -2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Quote: Yeraz
      Berkut from the Western part was especially pleased, refusing to beat his people.

      Well, it means that soon the special forces from the EU will hobble you .. (rubber water cannons and not only bullets .... tear gas ..) immediately run up to the McDonald's to eat burgers and drink Coca-Cola ... (do not forget to cross the road when stopping red) ..) otherwise you’ll get a head over with a baton .. European integration however ...! bully

      Why you ??? I'm not from there)))
      But how will the EU special forces beat them ??? They’re all gay there))) I will ask for the maximum beautifully and will search brand-name perfumes in them and throw clothes from Armani Gucci))) There are no men left)))
      1. alone
        alone 14 December 2013 15: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        But how will the EU special forces beat them ??? They’re all gay there))) I will ask for the maximum beautifully and will search brand-name perfumes in them and throw clothes from Armani Gucci))) There are no men left)))


        laughing laughing anyone who is against the EU argues that Europeans are all homosexuals, and those who join the EU will immediately become homosexuals)))

        Listening to Kiselyov and all others, I have such a feeling that VVP, DAM, Lavrov and everyone else just do that they do not sleep for days and think how to make Ukraine Happy. It would be better if these people would make their people and state happy. crooks have nowhere to go. and any traitors weigh orders !! am
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 14 December 2013 16: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          Quote: Yeraz
          But how will the EU special forces beat them ??? They’re all gay there))) I will ask for the maximum beautifully and will search brand-name perfumes in them and throw clothes from Armani Gucci))) There are no men left)))


          laughing laughing anyone who is against the EU argues that Europeans are all homosexuals, and those who join the EU will immediately become homosexuals)))

          Listening to Kiselyov and all others, I have such a feeling that VVP, DAM, Lavrov and everyone else just do that they do not sleep for days and think how to make Ukraine Happy. It would be better if these people would make their people and state happy. crooks have nowhere to go. and any traitors weigh orders !! am

          Quote: lonely
          Quote: Yeraz
          But how will the EU special forces beat them ??? They’re all gay there))) I will ask for the maximum beautifully and will search brand-name perfumes in them and throw clothes from Armani Gucci))) There are no men left)))


          laughing laughing anyone who is against the EU argues that Europeans are all homosexuals, and those who join the EU will immediately become homosexuals)))

          Listening to Kiselyov and all others, I have such a feeling that VVP, DAM, Lavrov and everyone else just do that they do not sleep for days and think how to make Ukraine Happy. It would be better if these people would make their people and state happy. crooks have nowhere to go. and any traitors weigh orders !! am

          so this is the problem, there are a lot of problems in Russia, but more about topics of the Independence Square. Es EU. It’s not the EU people want justice, the rule of law.
          Serdyukov’s case is just a mockery of citizens, it’s a direct spit in the face, all sorts of projects where the money goes although it’s much cheaper. So there’s no need to bhzdet and go only to the migrant pogroms. why the thief walked away. The Ukrainians do it, so no, they’re wrong, let them be patience, as in Russia they blame everything on Chubais and YES, in the case of Ukraine it’s not Yanukovych, but Azarov and others around))) just not the king) )))
          1. IGS
            IGS 15 December 2013 16: 24 New
            0
            Those. because of Serdyukov, you suggest that you arrange a maidan (forgive the swamp) and that the Americans come from the handle to feed the cookies. Bravo!!!! A new pretext for the orange, but .... not a ride. It was already in the 90s, how did Yeltsin fight privileges then?
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 14 December 2013 21: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Why you ??? I'm not from there)))

        That's just the point, and I come from "from there", and until recently I was a citizen of "Square." Therefore, I do not care what will happen to my, albeit small, but homeland ...
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 14 December 2013 15: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well, it means that soon special forces from the EU will hobble you

      Mikhan .. lately I’m just reading your comments high good laughing you weren’t like that before .. but now you’re just super ... with humor .. with a joke you can bring your thoughts ...! RESPECT hi
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (the main thing is not to forget when crossing the road to stop red ..)

      but this definitely needs to be taught to our drivers and pedestrians) Europe cries for them))))) a recently familiar Belarus came .. he stood on foot in red light ... after 2 days he got tired and he crossed the street everywhere, like local ones) really liked) said, which is very convenient .. saves time laughing
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 14 December 2013 17: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        Mikhan .. lately I’ve just been reading your comments good laughing before. You weren’t like that .. and now you are just super ... with humor .. with a joke you can bring your thoughts ...! RESPEC

        Thank you of course ... Only this is called "Laughter Through Tears ..) It is sad and insulting to watch all this read and see .. crying These are the things in the tank troops .. And yet I hope "She will come a star of captivating happiness .. the shackles will collapse and then ...) Oh, Mother Russia pi .. pi .. pi .. drinks
  26. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 December 2013 14: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: Yeraz
    Berkut from the Western part was especially pleased, refusing to beat his people.

    Well, it means that soon the special forces from the EU will hobble you .. (rubber water cannons and not only bullets .... tear gas ..) immediately run up to the McDonald's to eat burgers and drink Coca-Cola ... (do not forget to cross the road when stopping red) ..) otherwise you’ll get a head over with a baton .. European integration however ...! bully

    Why you ??? I'm not from there)))
    And how will the EU special forces beat them ??? They’re all gay there))) I’ll beautifully ask for and will scour brand-name perfumes in them and throw clothes from Armani Gucci))) There are no men left)))

    laughing laughing laughing Well, like that in the long run ... heh heh (Leave from May yes yes on .. opposite ..))) laughing
  27. Egoza
    14 December 2013 15: 10 New
    +3
    But "real men" have thought of what!

    Maidan participants form columns and picket the Ministry of Defense, as well as the State Emergency Service, reports on his page on Facebook, the press secretary of VO "Freedom" Alexander Aronets. His message confirms former defense minister Anatoly Gritsenko.
    Gritsenko considers it important that women join the convoy. According to the politician, the presence in the convoy of women will show the security forces from the Ministry of Defense that the mother is against the use of soldiers and the force scenario of the development of the Euromaidan.
    Recall, according to the Ministry of Defense, the military does not participate in the Maidan events. To protect the rule of law, the police, the Internal Troops and the special forces "Golden Eagle" of the Ministry of Internal Affairs are involved.
    http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-ukraine/241248
    xxxxx
    I’ll add on my own - the ex-defense minister is ready to hide behind women's skirts !!! And God forbid, former subordinates will send to ... to ... Ukraine! So let the little girls cover the picket just in case! am
  28. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 14 December 2013 15: 56 New
    +1
    In 2002, a friend (he has a law degree, an athlete) went for an interview in police personnel. The police, and then and now there was a wild shortage of personnel. So the first question in the frames was whether a friend served in the army. He did not serve, he had a deferment during his studies. So, the police did not care about education, but most importantly, military service. So, my acquaintance naturally didn’t go to the police as an investigator, but he successfully got into the prosecutor’s office, where for some reason military service is not needed.
    And now, for some reason, the police are bitterly crying that the police have become a haven for masons and take everyone indiscriminately.
  29. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 14 December 2013 16: 06 New
    +2
    Here is another example about the internal situation in the police.
    Last year, I personally participated in such a situation: a drunk citizen fired a pneumatic pistol at a local police officer when executed and in uniform. He pierced his tunic with a ball and injured his finger. A PPS outfit arrived (it’s good that even more-less-strong guys, and not jerks) twisted a drunk, he had a fight with them, tore off a button and hit the ppsman in the face. It would seem an article on the face. But there it was, the citizen was not even taken to the regional department. PPSnik told me that I didn’t need any sort of showdown and did not write a report about what had happened, and the district commander ordered me not to write any complaints, because no one needed a showdown. Then this local policeman personally asked me not to write anything either, because the prosecutor’s office will check and he’s not willing to go to court and draw up any documents.
    So the citizen was absolutely nothing.
    And how can you be afraid or respect such "law enforcement officers"?
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 14 December 2013 16: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Drosselmeyer
      Here is another example about the internal situation in the police.
      Last year, I personally participated in such a situation: a drunk citizen fired a pneumatic pistol at a local police officer when executed and in uniform. He pierced his tunic with a ball and injured his finger. A PPS outfit arrived (it’s good that even more-less-strong guys, and not jerks) twisted a drunk, he had a fight with them, tore off a button and hit the ppsman in the face. It would seem an article on the face. But there it was, the citizen was not even taken to the regional department. PPSnik told me that I didn’t need any sort of showdown and did not write a report about what had happened, and the district commander ordered me not to write any complaints, because no one needed a showdown. Then this local policeman personally asked me not to write anything either, because the prosecutor’s office will check and he’s not willing to go to court and draw up any documents.
      So the citizen was absolutely nothing.
      And how can you be afraid or respect such "law enforcement officers"?

      In Russia, you think better. A friend told me about 15 people in front of the police department and the funniest part of the department was the help of an inquiry officer (Azerbaijan’s fighting men) and another opera also an athlete.
      Nini is a citizen. And then the prosecutor’s office will arrange such things with you.
      But in Baku, on the contrary, God forbid, you touch the policeman in a dark room and no procure will help you.
      Everyone will be visited by amnesia abruptly, the cameras will be accidentally erased, and the battered person will then say that everything seemed to him and, in general, the police are wonderful guys))))
      1. alone
        alone 14 December 2013 16: 33 New
        +3
        Well, here you are, Ali is right. Try to touch the policeman with our finger. Then you will have to treat this pale for a year)) laughing

        in our country, the police simply know only one truth. Anyone who hits a policeman and does not receive punishment for this will be the same with another policeman tomorrow.

        P.S. having money you can certainly pay off the police. but there are three articles when nothing helps you.
        1) Rape - rarely any of the police will help you with this article.
        2) karokooborot- none of the police will help you. Absolutely no one. Especially if you are a huckster
        3) resistance to the authorities during execution is generally a black matter. Not only will your neck be turned up, they will also be sent to the zone. Well, there you will go to kings, of course. But this is a completely different story!
  30. VADEL
    VADEL 14 December 2013 17: 05 New
    +2
    The minister’s order explains why the choice fell on this particular day:
    On October 3, 1988, by order No. 0206 of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, a special police detachment was first created. Riot police was created in four republics that were part of the USSR, namely in the KSSR, BSSR and Ukrainian SSR, the RSFSR in 14 regions (including the Internal Affairs Directorate of the Krasnodar, Moscow Oblast Executive Committee, Lenoblgorispolkov, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, the Main Directorate of Internal Affairs of the Moscow City Executive Committee, the Krasnoyarsk Region , Irkutsk, Kuibyshev, Novosibirsk, Perm, Rostov, Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk regional executive committees) [2].
    The same order describes the special role of riot police in maintaining law and order in Russia:
    A special police detachment is needed to combat crime on a large scale, where other bodies of the Ministry of Internal Affairs alone are unable to cope. Riot police support such bodies by covering them in battle and stop armed criminals by force, for example, assaulting buildings seized by terrorists, freeing hostages, etc ... ... In a professional sense, riot police units are the most mobile, and prepared for emergency situations, and are used in the most dangerous types of crimes, group hooligan manifestations and riots. In addition, special police units work in natural disaster areas, implementing public safety and law enforcement there, covering groups of criminal police and other police forces to detain armed criminals in combat, riot police are also used to suppress terrorist crimes, free hostages, etc. . d.

    Brothers. Congratulations on your 25th squad formation. We wish you patience, health, a peaceful sky above your head. drinks
  31. VadimSt
    VadimSt 14 December 2013 19: 53 New
    0
    I would be extremely surprised if someone from the highest state officials of Ukraine would take the liberty to declare that it was he who gave the order to disperse the Maidan. The order was undoubtedly! At the same time, there is always an oral supplement, or instruction, which contains the essence of the event. And it is these instructions that are never advertised. It has always been like this! The current government always knows what it wants, how it wants and whom to make a scapegoat in case of resonance or failure!
  32. Garrin
    Garrin 14 December 2013 20: 07 New
    +1
    And here is an example of utter moronity and limitless betrayal.
    14.12.2013 16:32

    GPU initiates the introduction of identification marks on the form of employees of special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs

    The General Prosecutor's Office of Ukraine will initiate the development and implementation of identification marks on the uniforms of employees of the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to quickly establish their identities. This was stated by Prosecutor General Viktor Pshonka, reports Radio Liberty.

    Pshonka thinks it is wrong that the fighters who participate in special operations cannot be identified: "This is wrong, in our opinion. Therefore, we will draw conclusions and demand that the number plan correspond to the names of the fighters who are involved in the special operation."

    The Prosecutor General emphasized that it is very difficult to establish which of the Berkut fighters took part in the dispersal of Euromaidan, since they were all with their faces hidden and wearing masks, and they did not have any marks on their clothes or other identification.

    "You can ask a question: will the ordinary soldiers of the Berkut answer specifically or not? This is a very difficult question - they were with invisible faces, in masks, etc. We have studied the instructions and regulations of the Berkut's activities. Unfortunately, there is no mention of specific marks for each fighter of the "Berkut" or on his clothes, or on his helmet, which would correspond to the real name .... We will raise the issue of this in a legal manner, "- said Pshonka.

    http://www.rbc.ua/rus/news/politics/...14122013163200
  33. Mhpv
    Mhpv 14 December 2013 21: 24 New
    +1
    I don’t know for all truth what they are now showing in the news from Ukraine, but they have just shown the hero Azarov with a speech against what the European integrators want.
    In general, he is the same zae..l pizdo .... lto so and so. I also don’t understand one bandyuk, but from Donbass, another prime minister) was born in Russia, but it seems to have got into a "trouble", but the truth is now reading Karamzin, and straight to the bull's eye.
    Gentlemen, Ukrainians, Happy New Year to you. I have been celebrating the New Year for 18 years, but I don’t want 23 anymore. Rodina did everything for me to go to the homeland of my ancestors and yet I can’t separate Ukraine and Russia and they raised children the same way they don’t understand why their grandparents, although Russians by nationality, live in Ukraine.
  34. Stalinets
    Stalinets 14 December 2013 23: 13 New
    +2
    In fairness, I note that in the photo, they are not golden eagles. These are simple conscripts to the Internal Troops. And this they took upon themselves the entire blow of the militants. Not a golden eagle. The golden eagle was behind them. So, the simple guys did not flinch. And up to this point, they saved Ukraine. Slavs, however.
    1. Lesnik
      Lesnik 14 December 2013 23: 20 New
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      Your true boys used as a human shield negative
    2. phantom359
      phantom359 15 December 2013 00: 57 New
      +1
      It is, of course, good that it was saved, but it was necessary to save it in a different way - to disperse so that it would never occur to anyone to wave ped chains.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 15 December 2013 01: 02 New
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      Quote: Stalinist
      In fairness, I note that in the photo, they are not golden eagles. These are simple conscripts to the Internal Troops.

      If you are about the photo in the article, then WHERE did you see the "conscripts" with OFFICER RUNNING ???
  35. Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 December 2013 01: 43 New
    0
    The events in Ukraine remind me personally of a holiday of disobedience. The Nazis are making a breakthrough of power for weaknesses. And the authorities do not have the ability and desire to answer them properly. There are also overseas "friends" incite, luring with a mirror and beads. In fact, it was necessary to crush this trash even when the monument to Bandera was erected. Now the case has run so far that either live with this cancerous tumor to the death of the entire country, or remove it with blood.
  36. Arkan
    Arkan 15 December 2013 14: 09 New
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    "Policemen don't want to be scapegoats"

    Winners are not judged.