Military Review

Theft as a fundamental principle

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The concept in itself is interesting - theft. The person committing the theft is simply called the BOP. And in itself this “title” is by no means an ornament. Is it only in the distorted understanding of the representatives of the world of crime, where this concept is elevated to the rank of valor and attribute of celestials.


But this is “simple” theft, not covered by abstruse and respectable terms. But there is another kind of theft - more greedy, omnivorous, shameless and insatiable. This is the theft of ideals, intellectual achievements, historical truth and moral foundations. And this theft - more sophisticated, cynical, anti-human, vile and, especially bitter, - especially dangerous.

This theft is accomplished not by penetrating a window of an apartment or by banal passers-by robbing (although those who practice this type of theft often neglect these methods), but by using controlled mass media, party and even state ideology.

This whole preamble to the fact that, looking through the materials on the Internet, I came across an article that the United States is ready to go to an armistice with Bashar Assad !!! Anyone more or less familiar with the root causes and the course of all this sad Syrian man's epic such news will cause some surprise. How?! The stronghold of democracy and humanity around the world is ready to go to the world with a "bloody Syrian dictator" ?! A state that loudly declared its desire to dislodge and destroy this very Assad? A country that promoted the aggression of anti-Syrian hysteria and put a lot of strength and capital into flooding Syria with religious fanatics, cannibals and just scumbags ?! It turns out that this can not be surprising if these assurances come from representatives of the country for which the distortion of truth and theft is the norm.

Confirmations? You are welcome!

All of humanity knows that in the middle of the last century, evil on the planet called the Second World War took place. And this evil was staged and festered in Germany by tireless efforts from overseas.

God was on the righteous side - on our side. And Russia, shoulder to shoulder with the fraternal republics of that time, overcame this evil and drove it into a deep hole from which this evil, however, did not cease to grin. In fact, the peoples of the USSR broke the back of this fiercest beast and saved the peoples of the world from this plague. It would seem that the gratitude of these peoples is quite an expected reaction. What happened at the beginning. And the “Norwegian brothers” put monuments to the liberators and inscribed them: “The people of Norway will not forget you,” and the Polish gentlemen thanked with tears in their eyes for saving Warsaw from complete destruction, and our friends from the worldwide coalition thanked the USSR for made a decisive contribution and so on. and so on. and so on.

And then came to Earth Peace, and yesterday's brothers by arms they tried to forget the feat of the one who broke and threw the Hitler colossus into a landfill, and at the same time set about their usual business. Tried to banal steal the pride of the winner, juggling, distorting and multiplying their successes.

Result: the Japanese, on whose heads nuclear hell was dropped, with “samurai” obedience tolerate foreign bases on their territory and demolish all the atrocities perpetrated by the United States fighters. Proud Scandinavians and Balts excel in each other about who will throw more shit to Russia by the side. The Poles, in their desire to show the whole world the crime of ALL intentions of Russia, are ready to have such a natural phenomenon as fog call the criminal action of the dictatorial Russian regime undertaken to destroy the Polish president.

And all this is supported by the “authoritative opinions” of experts and analysts of various kinds or simply “sources”.

Another example of global theft is to fasten the whole world to a piece of paper (the dollar), which today is not supported by anything other than the military power of the US Department of State, inflated in time by the cheeks. Wonderful scam turned out! To force the controlled countries to pray on a piece of paper, for which all imaginable and not imaginable REAL benefits have flowed into the issuing country! These benefits mean everything - both resources and brains.

But times are changing. Grind shtatovski establishment. With an increase in self-awareness of individual countries, there is a gradual abandonment of the dollar as the main reserve currency. The sources of good brains also become shallow. Whereas the root ones come up with good brains - without being introduced and lured from the outside? Everything is started up for consumption and satisfaction ...

Changing and methods of theft. They have already reached the point that they have thought of pretending to be almost Syrian friends (no, not the people! They call themselves those long ago, not forgetting these people to chop minced bastards with their hands) President Bashar al-Assad.

But in order not to look like frank primitives, they came up with a rationale: "... due to the fact that excessive concentration of religious radicals can later have serious consequences for European countries and in general, the US civilization can go to reconciliation with the government of Bashar al-Assad." Two points are very remarkable in this statement: the Assad government is already called the GOVERNMENT, not the “bloody regime”, and the word “can”, i.e. Will be forced to reveal their will, if they are asked to do so.

What is it? This is a trivial attempt to preserve the “face of the face” with the inevitable failure of all its efforts, and, what is most outrageous, to commit another theft — an attempt to steal the pride of the Syrian people and Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad for victory over a ruthless, unprincipled and many times stronger opponent.

That is the principle of theft at the state level, built into the foundation.

Sincerely - Esaul.
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  1. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 6 December 2013 07: 25
    -7
    America was stronger and more rational. Therefore, many fled under her wing.
    Americans furnished any help conditions, and ours helped just so that the USSR looked "kind". The result - during the terrible famine in the 40s, our only "French comrades" delivered several million tons. While in the Vologda region children were dying of hunger !!! I'm already silent about helping socialist countries !!! Did this help help? No. Have you started to love us more? No. Now about these terrible sacrifices of the Russian people, no one except us remembers.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 33
      +1
      Quote: Kibalchish
      America was stronger and more rational.

      Reasonable? In the coffin is such a mind.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 6 December 2013 07: 41
        +4
        Reasonable for YOURSELF !!! You should at least read the post before minus the Putinist.
        Reasonable, because it received specific benefits. Goals have been achieved.
        As a result, Western Europe completely fell under the protectorate of the United States, and our post-war participation in Japanese affairs virtually eliminated ourselves, settling down in South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 07: 49
          +4
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Reasonable for YOURSELF !!! You should at least read a post before minus, Putinist

          Yes, I read the whole thing, and now we are helping free of charge, but the USA is not. Outcome in the short term, the United States celebrates victory, and then their ambassadors put American flags in the ass. What is the success, bucks printing around the clock? Answer Obamist
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 6 December 2013 07: 57
            +7
            The flag in the ass was in one particular place, and the rest agree, they are well settled. And many of our fellow citizens, for some reason, are eager for the decaying capitalist world. I know several offices in the States and Europe that are COMPLETELY consisting of and founded by Russian programmers. Do you think they will answer the question "Do you want to return to Russia"?

            By the way, I'm not a fan, neither the States nor Obama. Although it was in the history of the States that he defended his thesis.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 08: 05
              +1
              Quote: Kibalchish
              and the rest agree, settled down pretty well

              Yeah, and who is where?
              Quote: Kibalchish
              . And for some reason our many fellow citizens are eager for the decaying capitalist world.

              Yes, a tablecloth on a long journey!
              Quote: Kibalchish
              s. Although it was in the history of the States that he defended his dissertation.

              Noticeably.
              1. Kibalchish
                Kibalchish 6 December 2013 08: 09
                +9
                That is, according to your logic, if I studied the States, then I must love them passionately? More than weird logic.

                As for those about whom you said Yes, a tablecloth on a long journey! I will quote Pascal Blaise.

                “Enough for the 300 to leave for the intellectuals, and France will turn into a country of idiots”

                Who settled down well and where? Britain, France, Germany, Japan, etc.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 08: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: Kibalchish
                  That is, according to your logic, if I studied the States, then I must love them passionately?

                  No, this is not my logic. I read many of your posts, hence the conclusions hi
                  Quote: Kibalchish
                  “Enough for the 300 to leave for the intellectuals, and France will turn into a country of idiots”

                  France has already turned into a country of idiots.
                  Quote: Kibalchish
                  Britain, France, Germany, Japan, etc.

                  Britain is the eternal ally of the United States, France is the eternal political prostitute, Germany - gold washed away by a hurricane laughing Japan pays for the presence of American soldiers wink
                  1. Kibalchish
                    Kibalchish 6 December 2013 08: 29
                    +6
                    France has already turned into a country of idiots.

                    For some reason, this country of idiots builds ships for us and transfers technologies that we don’t have.

                    No, this is not my logic. I read many of your posts, hence the conclusion

                    I haven’t written anywhere that I love America.

                    Britain is the eternal ally of the United States,

                    Nifiga is not eternal. Until the 30 of the XX century, the General Staffs of England and the United States had plans for war against each other.

                    , France eternal political prostitute

                    a political prostitute is the Baltic, for example.

                    Germany - gold washed away by a hurricane

                    Gold reserve seized (rumored to 2099 year)

                    Japan pays for the presence of American soldiers

                    Pays. But the number of bases there is decreasing every decade. In addition, the Americans began to hand over to the Japanese authorities their "naughty"
                    1. Andrey Yuryevich
                      Andrey Yuryevich 6 December 2013 08: 56
                      +4
                      for some reason this country of idiots builds ships for us and transfers technologies that we don’t have. lol it's just an idea of ​​a little bit of money to cut ...
                    2. aksakal
                      aksakal 6 December 2013 09: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Kibalchish
                      I haven’t written anywhere that I love America.

                      - I do not always agree with Romanov, but here he is simply RIGHT laughing You don’t need to write it directly, we already understood that you are an admirer of America. If you are trying to hold us for fools, then keep it right. And take a more comfortable position. Just change the flag. There is such a Beck, he posted everything "liberalism" under the Kazakh flag, now he posts the same thing under the American flag. And this is - honestly, I even began to respect him. Earn respect and you, please. Or then do not be offended, tk. I have posts in relation to those who pretend to be one thanks to the flag, in fact, being another, do not differ at all in any correctness, here and modders cannot be saved. laughing
                      Quote: Kibalchish
                      Until the 30s of the XNUMXth century, plans for war against each other existed at the General Staffs of England and the USA.

                      - until the owners of the Fed shop explained to the unreasonable where their enemy is actually laughing since then you don’t do anything stupid, you see, they clearly explained laughing To be able, however.
                      Quote: Kibalchish
                      political prostitute is the Baltic, for example

                      - yes they all ... laughing The difference is only in price, some are more expensive per hour, while neither oral nor anal. Others - for a symbolic price and all options laughing Is there a difference in essence?
                      Quote: Kibalchish
                      In addition, the Americans began to hand over to the Japanese authorities their "naughty"

                      - the brilliant and great victory of the Japanese will truly go down in history in golden letters. How will the undeniable fact of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the Soviet Union go down in the history of Japan (they say that Stalin himself was personally present in one of the Elka Seraya aircraft).
                  2. Valkyrie
                    Valkyrie 6 December 2013 09: 47
                    -1
                    Have you ever been to Europe or America? There, the standard of living is several orders of magnitude higher than ours. Our best specialists have long been there. And many live very well, I think, even most. Surely, even soaps are not allowed to come back. They tell us through the box that America is in the pope, and those who go there tell us that there is paradise on earth. I am more inclined to believe them. All this, of course, is a consequence of the predatory and thieves policy of the United States, the meanness and arrogant throwing of all who owe it. Thieves always live better than those who earn money by honest labor.
                    1. Valkyrie
                      Valkyrie 6 December 2013 09: 57
                      -1
                      Romanov, why are you minus me? What exactly is wrong with me here, can you argue? I think no. Just minus your harm. I’m not minus you when you say something with which I agree.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Valkyrie
                        Romanov, why are you minus me?

                        Listen to a lady or a man pretending to be a lady. First write nonsense, it’s good in the West. And in Russia everything is ruined, everything is bad, everyone is oppressed. Secondly, I have a few comments that you haven’t promoted yet without any arguments . So it's not worth lying. My cons fly to you along with my comments. hi
                      2. washi
                        washi 6 December 2013 12: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: Valkyrie
                        Romanov, why are you minus me? What exactly is wrong with me here, can you argue? I think no. Just minus your harm. I’m not minus you when you say something with which I agree.

                        I'm not Romanov
                        but for your one Scandinavian nickname
                        ready to endlessly endow you with minus
                        Where is Russia famous
                        where are our names?
                        Where is Lada, Lyubomila and Yarilka?
                      3. Tatanka Yotanka
                        Tatanka Yotanka 6 December 2013 14: 30
                        +9
                        Quote: Vasya
                        ready to endlessly endow you with minus

                        Oh what I see, Vasya, brother, poet
                        Sonnets under the Shakespeare-master fry
                        Alas, Vasily, not gifting, gifting
                        You for Russian, too, can vparit minus
                        hi drinks
                      4. washi
                        washi 7 December 2013 14: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        You for Russian, too, can vparit minus

                        Of course you can,
                        but there is accent, adverb and dialect
                        In Siberia they say, but in Vologda they say
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 09: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: Valkyrie
                  Thieves always live better than those who earn money by honest labor.

                  Those who earn honestly do not go to America.
                  Quote: Valkyrie
                  . I am more inclined to believe them.

                  so believe it! For who is blessed ........
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 10: 20
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Those who earn honestly do not go to America.

                    As in Japan (when were you last time?)
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Like in Japan (

                    In Japan, everything is expensive, except for electronics. It was not so long ago. With regards to simple relaxation, it is quite acceptable and not expensive to relax in Thailand or in China.
                  3. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 12: 18
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    In Japan, everything is expensive, except for electronics. It was not so long ago.
                    So you dishonestly earn laughing

                    With regards to a simple holiday, it is quite acceptable and not expensive to relax in Thailand or in China.
                    Again - what do you mean "inexpensive" and "acceptable"?
                    If the income on the nose is less than 25 ty, you definitely will not go anywhere, because you simply can’t save it (and with the 35th, it is also not a fact). And only 25% of the population has incomes over 23.
                  4. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 12: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    If the nose income is less than 25 ty, you definitely will not go anywhere

                    This is enough to relax, there are tours for seven days.
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    . And only 25% of the population has incomes over 23.

                    This statistics and statistics does not come from the fact that half receive the loot in envelopes-cash.
                  5. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 13: 17
                    +4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    This is enough to relax, there are tours for seven days.
                    Amounts for a week will be enough, but you will not collect it with such income.

                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    This statistics and statistics does not come from the fact that half receive the loot in envelopes-cash.
                    Alas, it comes: this is the statistics of per capita incomes, not salaries - it is not calculated by payroll.
                  6. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 13: 23
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Amounts for a week will be enough, but you will not collect it with such income.

                    Yarosvet, well, you already wipe your eyes and look out the window. Millions of cars go there, and millions of people go into them. Hundreds of thousands are found in cars, and 30 mowers are not on vacation, but I beg you. How many millions go on vacation every year or are they all thieves?
                  7. aksakal
                    aksakal 6 December 2013 13: 49
                    -3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yarosvet, well, you already wipe your eyes and look out the window. Millions of cars go there, and millions of people go into them. Hundreds of thousands are found in cars, and 30 mowers are not on vacation, but I beg you. How many millions go on vacation every year or are they all thieves?

                    - Sasha, do you have a lot of beads? A man lives in some other Russia, gives some terrible figures, he has hunger in Russia, you see laughing
                    I do not live in Russia, but when the Almighty is shown the forgotten Sagra, a bearish corner of Russia, I saw the houses of the "poor" Russians in this Sagra, compared them with dwellings in the favelas of Brazil, compared them with huts in the suburbs of China (I often go there), I learned from the context that these poor Sagrovites have guns, which is how they protected themselves from the raiders, and the weapons are not cheap, and I thought, are things so bad for the Russians? So I believe yarosvet - you, the Russians, have very few beads, and therefore do not throw them in vain laughing
                  8. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 13: 53
                    +2
                    Quote: aksakal
                    , he has hunger in Russia, see l

                    Yes, there is hunger, now I drink beer, and the fish is over crying
                    Quote: aksakal
                    So I believe Yarosvet - you have very few beads, and therefore do not mark them in vain

                    Beads eat, but I will leave it for Vasily-Valkyrie wassat
                3. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 6 December 2013 15: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  How many millions go on vacation every year or are they all thieves?
                  I don’t pretend to judge thieves or not (all the more so since the theft is legalized nowadays), but what I said above remains a fact (the only thing that Rosstat has corrected statistics now, and it had 25% income over 13 tyr at the beginning of the 31th year population).

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  look out the window. Millions of cars are going there, and millions of people are going into them. They find hundreds of thousands of cars, and 30 mowers aren’t on vacation, but I beg you
                4. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 16: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  on it, incomes over 25 tyr at the beginning of the 13th year had 31% of the population).

                  So why did you post a picture with millions of cars? If we have every fourth car, then count in each family a car. This is according to statistics. So people go on vacation and not a few hi
                5. aksakal
                  aksakal 6 December 2013 16: 28
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  So why did you post a picture with millions of cars? If we have every fourth car, then count in each family a car. This is according to statistics. So people go on vacation and

                  - Well, yes, Yarosvet would like that a person living on one honest salary would live better than a thief. How touch naive laughing laughing How long have I been a romantic laughing Now I understand - it’s easier for a thief to stupidly put him in jail, which is right, than trying to live on an honest salary is better than a thief who will steal as much as he needs, or even rob laughing Look at what conditions they are trying to draw Ukraine into the EU, it’s hard to call civilized conditions. Ukraine is drawn in under such enslaving conditions - you see, in Europe the level of motorization will increase from 600 (as I just looked) to 650 cars per 1000 people, Yarosvet will indicate this to us, but just forget to indicate that a pleasant option for geyroptsam in 50 cars has been achieved It was due to the capital deterioration in the lives of Ukrainians, who now live not brilliantly. laughing Is Yarosvet doing this from evil ?, but I am inclined to believe that, due to a certain limited mind, Yarosvet can’t grasp this mechanism in any way, everything pokes and pokes with a geyropoy, in reality it’s the last bead to him. Further - only slop! am
                6. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 6 December 2013 16: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  If we have every fourth car, then count in each family a car
                  Primitive.

                  Some have 2, or even 3, of which only 50% are relatively new. And taking a wheelbarrow on credit, an ordinary citizen is unlikely to go somewhere on vacation (it’s also worthwhile to neglect family car owners).

                  As a result, we still get that at a level that allows once a year to dangle in foreign countries is 25% of the population.
                7. aksakal
                  aksakal 6 December 2013 16: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Primitive.

                  - laughing in the 90s this wasn’t close either, salaries for half a year were paid there, only 10 years of stabilization, and Yarosvet already presents the bill at the level of robber countries laughing I ask below - when, how, and due to what will these countries repay their debt?
                8. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 6 December 2013 16: 49
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  and Yarosvet already bills at the level of the robber countries

                  Kindly tell me - who is robbing Brazil, who is Canada, who is Australia?
                9. aksakal
                  aksakal 6 December 2013 22: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Quote: aksakal
                  and Yarosvet already bills at the level of the robber countries

                  Kindly tell me - who is robbing Brazil, who is Canada, who is Australia?

                  - About Brazil, admire and read, http://politobzor.net/show-9184-polovina-naseleniya-brazilii-vstretit-novyy-god-
                  s-dolgami.html, maybe then it will come? Do you want this for the Russians? Also I found an example to follow in Russia
                10. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 6 December 2013 23: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal

                  For the "inattentive" I repeat: Whom rob Brazil, Canada and Australia?
                11. Normal
                  Normal 6 December 2013 23: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  For the "inattentive" I repeat: Who are being robbed by Brazil, Canada and Australia?

                  Of course, river ships. Like Stalin in his youth laughing
                12. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 7 December 2013 22: 41
                  +1
                  Vladimir, you are cruel to talkers laughing
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 16: 42
        +1
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Primitive.

        Your picture, your logic
        Quote: Yarosvet
        Someone has 2, or even 3,

        Here are some of them
        Quote: Yarosvet
        As a result, we still get that at a level that allows once a year to dangle in foreign countries is 25% of the population.

        Half of us go and without any problems
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 December 2013 16: 42
      +2
      Quote: aksakal
      - it is understandable, but in the 90s this minimum wage was even funnier
      We are not in the 90s.

      in terms of dynamics, to tell where it is going and after how many years, according to your minimum wage, will we catch up with your vaunted geyropets?
      I have no idea - until the age of 10, the minimum wage in the Russian Federation grew, after 10 it declined (just do not forget about the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which the authorities seem to have capitally put)

      Moscow was not built in a day.
      Nothing that such a level is not compatible even with purely biological survival?

      And you never answered how much you will live on the indicated amount.
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 6 December 2013 17: 26
      0
      Quote: Yarosvet
      We are not in the 90s

      - we have moved away from them for only ten years, do you understand Russian? Can you count? Do you see the dynamics? in those dashing years, Russia almost got into a debt-free IMF debt, Petrosyan joked "Damn Clinton, give me money!" and over the next 10 years they jumped into a surplus - name me at least one country that jumped out of the IMF trap. There is such a post-socialist Romania. She, in the person of Nicolae Ceausescu, experimented with the IMF, then returned them the loot in full, remind Ceausescu's future fate? If anything, Putin is alive and will live. And at the same time you want to overtake the robber countries in the same 10 years. Yes, you basically .... Here is a scene from RUDN (KVN), when Putin characterizes Nostradamus, so I characterize you 10 times, otherwise I'm tired of explaining.
      Quote: Yarosvet
      robs Brazil

      - Brazil has a higher standard of living than Russia laughing laughing laughing laughing Oh my stomach hurts laughing laughing Victim of Western Propaganda laughing laughing In favelas, half of Brazil lives to live there laughing laughing Everything is clear with you.
      Quote: Yarosvet
      And you didn’t answer how much you will live on the indicated amount

      I am not interested in the minimum wage, I live on other money. And much larger than even the minimum wage of the United States. I do not care about your minimum wage as an indicator of the economy, and your knowledge after Brazil and its standard of living, which are higher than the standard of living of Russia, are not interested laughing laughing
    4. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 December 2013 18: 05
      +2
      Quote: aksakal
      - we left them only a dozen years, do you understand the Russian language?
      Can you read? 133 TC, the 2nd and 7th Constitution of the Russian Federation open.

      And at the same time, you want to overtake the robber countries in the same 10 years
      Overtake? Nooo - I want the state to comply with its own laws.

      In favelas, half of Brazil lives to live there
      Wage in %% of GDP cf.

      I am not interested in the minimum wage, I live on other money
      That’s the whole point - you’re good, but don't give a shit about the rest laughing

      You and Romanov have 2 pairs of boots: one is portraying himself as a patriot of the Russian Federation, he is trying to seem very pious to the second, and the income of each is more than $ 2000.
      At the same time, both you and he think that with an official minimum for the able-bodied population of 7633 ty and a real minimum of 20 ty, a minimum wage of 5205 ty is normal.

      And the funniest thing is that when you position yourself as patriotic statesmen, and in some places even orthodox Christians, you and Romanov are actually extreme liberals like Nemtsov, since you and Romanov consider the norm "social Darwinism", which is one of constituent parts of neoliberalism.
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 18: 10
      0
      Quote: Yarosvet
      At the same time, both you and he think that with an official minimum for the able-bodied population of 7633 ty and a real minimum of 20 ty, a minimum wage of 5205 ty is normal.

      I don’t give a damn about the minimum wage, if people get the same 30 thousand, I saw the minimum wage in the coffin, because I see how people’s life is changing. Do you want to prove what? That people live shitty, but then what kind of X .. they run around the shops and now they are buying up before the new year, so that they don’t get there?
    6. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 December 2013 18: 16
      +3
      You take a walk near the rubbish bins at night - you will see people running around to the shops, collecting bottles and all kinds of junk from a good life.

      Sasha, your financial situation applies only to you - is it really difficult to understand? 30 ty is the MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY: you know no worse than me how the average turns out.
    7. atalef
      atalef 6 December 2013 18: 20
      +3
      Quote: Yarosvet
      You take a walk near the rubbish bins at night - you will see people running around to the shops, collecting bottles and all kinds of junk from a good life.

      Well, actually the poor and the homeless are everywhere and only their number in relation to the general population plays a role
    8. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 18: 27
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      and only their number in relation to the general population plays a role

      Hi Sanya! Scha will write that we have the majority laughing
    9. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 December 2013 18: 40
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      Well, actually the poor and the homeless are everywhere

      Not - the homeless people have disappeared somewhere (which is actually very strange), but in the garbage dumps these are the ones who hunt:
    10. atalef
      atalef 6 December 2013 18: 43
      +5
      Quote: Yarosvet
      Not - the homeless people have disappeared somewhere (which is actually very strange), but in the garbage dumps these are the ones who hunt:

      Yes you know. when he was 4 months ago in St. Petersburg, he also drew attention to this, and pensioners live, of course, just in the dark. All my friends help my parents. retire not live. And definitely not to live.
    11. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 December 2013 19: 58
      +2
      Quote: atalef
      And definitely not to live.

      So it is doubly disgusting that there are no objective reasons for this: it is quite realistic to pay twenty on average in the country - this poor thing would be poor enough for normal food, housing and communal services, economy, to buy clothes if necessary and go to the movies if necessary.
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 18: 26
    +1
    Quote: Yarosvet
    You walk near the garbage at night - at

    I do more fuck fool
    Quote: Yarosvet
    you’ll see people running around shopping, collecting bottles and all kinds of junk from a good life.

    And in the shops, there are probably crowds at laughing traveling from rich Europe
    Quote: Yarosvet
    30 ty is the MIDDLE OF THE COUNTRY: you know no worse than me how the average turns out.

    I’ll tell you this, I know how much people get here and traffic jams from cars in which people also drive. And I just barely took a ticket to Japan for a plane for a long time. It’s either not at all or the reservation. you think so. As for the homeless, it’s necessary to work, not to plump.
  3. atalef
    atalef 6 December 2013 18: 37
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Yarosvet
    You walk near the garbage at night - at
    I do more fuck

    After all, he sent for certain death. and ?
  4. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 18: 43
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I do more fuck

    So I already said this:
    are extreme liberals like Nemtsov, because you consider the norm "social Darwinism", which is one of the constituent parts of neoliberalism.
  5. Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 6 December 2013 21: 53
    +2
    There is such an anecdote:
    Ninka has a husband. Anka has a husband and lover. And on average, what turns out to be me .....?
  6. matross
    matross 6 December 2013 22: 09
    -1
    Anecdote credited. But judging by the fact that you are on the forum on Friday night - you are not e ... for sure wink
  7. Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 6 December 2013 22: 17
    +2
    This is all right. Thank. Well, so are you on Friday night on the site.
  8. matross
    matross 6 December 2013 22: 19
    0
    So I don’t introduce myself as a girl. And I do not tell provocative jokes smile
  9. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 23: 18
    +1
    Quote: Valkyrie
    And on average, what turns out to be me .....?
  10. aksakal
    aksakal 6 December 2013 18: 20
    +1
    Quote: Yarosvet
    both you and Romanov are in fact extreme liberals like Nemtsov, since both you and Romanov consider the norm "social Darwinism", which is one of the constituent parts of neoliberalism

    I do not think so. I just think that it is necessary to work well, then there will be no need to look back at the state and sweat at the sight of a low minimum wage. It’s a pity to pensioners and disabled people, but in comparison with the 90s they’re already better, and in terms of dynamics, it will be even better.
    Quote: Yarosvet
    Overtake? Nooo - I want the state to comply with its own laws

    - start with yourself, it will be possible to demand from others. Start not with admiration for Western countries, but with love for Russia, then it will work out.
    Yesterday I liked the director of one of the defense enterprises, an electronics engineer. Well done! Without any groveling before the West and its vaunted technologies, he told everything, in what Russia remains, in what it is not lagging behind, and even ahead (there was such a thing!) That he would have done to improve the situation and even criticized. I criticized - yes, it is inoffensive, it is felt - here is the PATRIOT! Go to yesterday's branch and learn how to criticize your homeland. And you criticize so that you simply have no other answer, besides "Go to your West and live there, be happy, let's go bye!" and does not come to mind, I do not want to.
  11. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 18: 53
    +3
    You can work well at a brick factory in Dagestan, but here's the problem - you won’t earn.
  12. atalef
    atalef 6 December 2013 19: 19
    0
    Quote: Yarosvet
    You can work well at a brick factory in Dagestan, but here's the problem - you won’t earn.

    Almost a resort like in Tukcia. All inclusive wassat
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  14. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 19: 54
    +2
    And at the end of the work is off ...
  15. Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 6 December 2013 10: 24
    -1
    Do you think that only those who are dishonest have left for America? Maybe they are not patriotic enough, since they left, but these are ordinary people, good specialists in their field. Bad specialists are not invited there. Therefore, partly America and Europe live better than us.
    And you, apparently, were not in America and did not know the people who are in America. Judge her on TV. In this case, "For blessed is he who ..." is about you.
  16. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 34
    +2
    Quote: Valkyrie
    Do you think that only those who are dishonest have left for America?

    Of those whom I personally know, the stealing director of the Supermarket. He rushed to the United States back in the 90s and still lives there not poorly, due to the ball stolen here.
    Quote: Valkyrie
    And you, apparently, were not in America and are not familiar with people who are in America

    I constantly meet Americans, sometimes even thump together. So they do not describe the USA so beautifully, unlike you. What are you still here, since there are such prospects?
  17. atalef
    atalef 6 December 2013 18: 20
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    I constantly meet Americans, even sometimes we have a drink together. So they do not describe the USA so beautifully, unlike you. what are you still here, since there are such prospects

    Hi Sash. Generally good there. where we are not. in any country there are enough stocks.
  18. atalef
    atalef 6 December 2013 18: 33
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Those who earn honestly do not go to America.

    Alexander, do not be so categorical. I have been to America more than once. Believe me, I'm not a thief.
  19. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 05: 43
    0
    Quote: atalef
    I have been to America more than once. Believe me, I'm not a thief.

    Shalom, but you are not a citizen of Russia wink
  20. atalef
    atalef 7 December 2013 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Shalom, but you are not a citizen of Russia

    At the brah (i.e. to you shalom)
    I, Alexander, am a citizen of Russia and have been on the consular account since 1993, regularly change my passports (every 5 years) by paying for this just a hell of a lot of dough
  • aksakal
    aksakal 6 December 2013 10: 44
    0
    One minus is mine.
    Quote: Valkyrie
    There the standard of living is several orders of magnitude higher than ours

    - is not it? You compare the salaries of the Moscow office plankton and the New York office plankton (the most massive working people) in dollars, and prove that there is a difference
    Quote: Valkyrie
    several orders of magnitude

    ... Let me explain - one order - it is necessary to add one zero in the multiplier digit, which indicates the difference. Cut off? It is more clear with an example. If Ivanov lives on several (let us concretize the word "several" - let it be five) orders of magnitude better than Petrov, this means that Ivanov lives a hundred thousand times (five zeros) better than Petrov. Now that I have explained to you the meaning of what you said, start proving your own statement. Prove that if the average monthly income of an average office worker in Moscow in US dollars is $ 5000, then the average monthly income of an average office worker in New York is $ 500. This is the difference in the standard of living by several orders of magnitude. wassat We are waiting, sir.
    Quote: Valkyrie
    Our best specialists have long been there. And many live very well, I think, even most

    - I doubt it. In Russia, I was a psychotherapist - I became a garbage man - very good (tell me - Kashpirovsky, have you heard?) laughing wassat
    Quote: Valkyrie
    Surely, even soaps are not allowed to come back
    - of course, I, too, many wise men quit a good job, sold many-room mansions in the center of Almaty, bought shacks in the bear corners of Russia, got a job anyway
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 6 December 2013 10: 45
      +1
      Quote: Valkyrie
      even soaps are not allowed to come back.
      laughing wassat Have you heard about the syndrome of "those who left for permanent residence"?

      Quote: Valkyrie
      I am more inclined to believe them

      - Romanov, bravo, I better not say laughing wassat
      Quote: Valkyrie
      those who travel there say that there is paradise on earth.

      - Gays told you this - they are very welcome there nonchecked. And in the absence of beautiful women for you there will also be a paradise on earth, so I willingly believe. From those who want to be with you there will be no end, break right there right now. Where is the Amer embassy, ​​tell me?
      Quote: Valkyrie
      In the box they tell us that America is in the pope,

      - especially posner zadolbali with his "one-story America", as about America, so only his documentary work and show, indeed, horror, in America such a priest, there is nowhere to go! This is why gays are happy too laughing
      Quote: Valkyrie
      All this, of course, is a consequence of the predatory and thieves policy of the United States, the meanness and arrogant throwing of all who owe it. Thieves always live better than those who earn money by honest labor.

      - become an accomplice of the USA. You and the USA are POWER !!!! Only you need to repaint, blondes are not relevant anymore.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 11: 15
      +1
      Quote: aksakal
      those who travel there say that there is paradise on earth.

      By the way, yes, when Obama held the last Mass, a message to Congress. He also said that America is the paradise embodied on earth. laughing
    3. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 6 December 2013 16: 15
      +1
      An interesting fact is that you listen to masses in principle, and Obama, in particular, speaks for itself.
      Then tell me why all of us, the so-called elite, have villas in Miami and fly there constantly to relax, and many just live there? Do you think they are all gay? Why are children going there to give birth, fools, or what? The fact that you are thumping with the Americans, I will never believe. Rather, this happens to the Russian homeless people. And in general, your arguments are not convincing in anything. And if you consider yourself competent and admirer of everything Slavic, then besides Wikipedia you should know from the book of S. Alekseev that Valkyrie has the same relation to Scandinavia as Rurik. But, in my opinion, with history, as many have noticed more than once, you have very serious problems. And with poetry, by the way, too.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 16: 22
      +1
      Quote: Valkyrie
      An interesting fact is that you listen to masses in principle, and Obama, in particular, speaks for itself.

      this suggests that I read an article on this site devoted to this mass and no more. So Vasily do not give out your desires.
      Quote: Valkyrie
      Then tell me why all of us, the so-called elite, have villas in Miami and fly there constantly to relax, and many just live there?

      I don’t have a villa in Miami, and your elite is not my authority.
      Quote: Valkyrie
      Do you think they are all gay?

      Not all, but half for sure.
      Quote: Valkyrie
      The fact that you are thumping with the Americans, I will never believe. Rather, it happens to Russian homeless people

      Vasily, you can enter skype, now here is just Apollon and Garin from our site, let's talk wink
  • atalef
    atalef 6 December 2013 18: 36
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    By the way, yes, when Obama held the last Mass, a message to Congress. He also said that America is the paradise embodied on earth.

    Well, actually for Obama - yes. His grandfather climbed palm trees and tore bananas.
  • washi
    washi 6 December 2013 12: 36
    +1
    Quote: Valkyrie
    Have you ever been to Europe or America? There, the standard of living is several orders of magnitude higher than ours. Our best specialists have long been there. And many live very well, I think, even most. Surely, even soaps are not allowed to come back. They tell us through the box that America is in the pope, and those who go there tell us that there is paradise on earth. I am more inclined to believe them. All this, of course, is a consequence of the predatory and thieves policy of the United States, the meanness and arrogant throwing of all who owe it. Thieves always live better than those who earn money by honest labor.

    Collect loans at the bank, do not think that you will have to give them back, and your standard of living will exceed Amer.
    Only for the money in the end will come ...
    Also with amers and europioids.
    You cannot live peacefully by robbery. It is not for nothing that all the "heroes" of the 90s prepared the playgrounds for themselves near the Britt.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 December 2013 13: 21
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      Collect loans at the bank, do not think that you will have to repay them, and your standard of living will exceed Amer’s

      Ah, ate fires - it turns out the whole thing in loans laughing

      The minimum wage of the Russian Federation and the United States as a percentage of GDP per capita compare.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 6 December 2013 14: 11
      +1
      Quote: Yarosvet
      The minimum wage of the Russian Federation and the United States as a percentage of GDP per capita compare.

      - And what you came up against this figure, let's bring to the studio, consider how and why they came together.
      Yes, by the way, what would you know - in the economy, dynamics as an indicator is more important than the indicator itself. The minimum wage itself will tell me a little, but the change in this minimum wage in time over a previous period will tell me much more. Prepare these numbers, too, on the carpet in the studio, you will defend yourself, if you call yourself a cargo
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 14: 35
      +2
      Quote: aksakal
      And what did you run into this figure

      And they look beautiful laughing
    4. matross
      matross 6 December 2013 15: 12
      +1
      Several heterosexual liberals are constantly pushing the forum on the topic: Russia, everything is bad, the West is an example to follow. Their fragile minds are even paused periodically. Maybe it's time to arrange cleaning? We miss Joseph Vissarionovich, but we cannot repress several obvious enemies of the people at home. Are you already infected? But these are only virtual repressions. Here, almost every third person writes everywhere - to shoot, he would kill, then yes ... Actually, a normal forum of like-minded people should be cleared of dubious accounts of ssyms.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 16: 16
    0
    Quote: aksakal
    in economics, dynamics as an indicator is more important than the indicator itself. The minimum wage itself will tell me a little, but the change in this minimum wage in time over a previous period will tell me much more.

    In the USA and Europe, the percentage of the minimum wage to PPP GDP per capita does not change.

    How long will you live on 21 tenge?
  • aksakal
    aksakal 6 December 2013 16: 35
    +2
    Quote: Yarosvet
    How long will you live on 21 tenge?

    - it is understandable, but in the 90s this minimum wage was even funnier. In the Republic of Kazakhstan, all GDP was 300 million tenge, now it’s trillion and trillion! According to the dynamics, tell me where it is going and after how many years, according to your minimum wage, will we catch up with your vaunted geyropets? Dynamics says more, more informative than the figure itself. Well, what is the figure of 21 thousand tenge? 150 bucks. So what? Moscow was not built in a day.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 6 December 2013 16: 37
    0
    And yet - such a high minimum wage in geyrop and the United States leads to high government spending. There is not enough money, the state begins to borrow. This is called a public debt. When, how and due to what and what resources are the States and Western countries going to give them? Recall. I remind you - US debt is 17 trillion dollars
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 16: 51
    0
    Quote: aksakal
    And yet - such a high minimum wage in geyrop and the United States leads to high government spending. There is not enough money, the state begins to borrow.

    Stop raving: this difference does not go to the state.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 6 December 2013 17: 45
    +2
    Quote: Yarosvet
    Stop raving: this difference does not go to the state

    - Are you aware that various kinds of payments from the state for the purpose of social support of the population and other things, more precisely, the size of payments, are made on the basis of some indicators? Well, there are indicators like the "minimum calculated indicator" (MCI) and the same minimum wage And the higher this minimum wage or MCI, it makes no difference, MCI is more often used to calculate the amount of administrative fines, but the minimum wage is just for social payments, and so , the higher this minimum wage, the higher these payments or obligations of the state. Let's say that the salaries of a strictly budgetary teacher should be no less than the minimum wage. If the minimum wage is large, then the state begins to spend more money on education than with a small minimum wage, got the point? And if something is missing, then the state begins to borrow and this situation is called a budget deficit. Got it?
    Here again came to the essence of our conversation. US debt - $ 17 trillion, already exceeds two times the entire annual US GDP. Mainly due to the costs of the US defense industry, but the share of your favorite minimum wage is also noticeable here. Now explain. How will the US repay this debt? Than? What time frame?
    Explain more - do we need it? Due to the high minimum wage, which is still a normal brow to the shit, to push their own state into such debts? After all, it is logical, if there is no such money, then live within our means, is it not so? There is not a lot of money in the budget - we reflect an adequate minimum wage and ... In short, then think for yourself! Oh, Yarosvet, you basically ...! (here is a sketch from a miniature of RUDN University, where Putin gives an assessment of the intellectual abilities of Nostradamus).
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 18: 06
    +1
    Quote: aksakal
    US debt - $ 17 trillion,

    It is only external, but there is also internal wink
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 18: 28
    0
    1 Who told you that the states will give something?

    2 Indicators are accepted and canceled - no problem.

    3 The difference does not go to the state, and social payments and financing are carried out precisely by her, that is, the existing scheme increases the burden on the budget, and the difference is redistributed in favor of large capital withdrawing money from the country (part of this money is then returned under the guise of foreign investment)

    4 Our debt is growing now, and this is with a decrease in the percentage of the minimum wage to GDP.

    What are you talking about? laughing
  • aksakal
    aksakal 6 December 2013 20: 20
    +1
    Quote: Yarosvet
    1 Who told you that the states will give something?
    - Well, it’s clear that they will not give. Does it delight you? Well, let’s wish the same for Russia, only one more world for this, where can you get it? laughing Idealist laughing

    Quote: Yarosvet
    the burden on the budget, and the difference is redistributed in favor of large capital withdrawing money from the country (part of this money is then returned under the guise of foreign investment)
    - I repeat once again - this minimum wage has a more regulatory function, but you ran into it as if that is how the state evaluates your work. Well, specifically, if your work I would not even have appreciated in the minimum wage, everything is too unprofessional and ambitious for you. Who told you that the minimum wage should be 20 thousand rubles - almost 700 bucks? Being a layman - I’m sure of this, because when you argue, you somehow grab everything at the top and push on populism, but there’s no professionalism — you somehow appreciated yourself. So I work alone - a small salary of slightly less than 2000, a wife and three sausages. In the supermarket, I collect all for a week in our minimum wage - 21 thousand tenge, or 150 green ones. This much, much is wasted. The uneaten bananas in the refrigerator turn black, the butter runs rancid, the cheese becomes moldy, the milk goes sour ... We should really take less. Come on, here in the food workshop - 600 - 650 green. Plus a minimum wage on a rent. Plus a couple of minimum wages on a horse. Plus a couple of minimum wages on the clothes - they grow quickly. If anything, I don’t suffer from garbage like Zara, Mango, or Versace in general. Well, 400 tanks for accumulation. The fact that his wife works for herself there - well, there she goes for a walk once a week or a bath in the bathhouse, and she needs cosmetics and fur coats. Now divide by each nose and get a real minimum wage of 350 green. It is clear that at the level of biological survival, the same is the minimum wage, and not the minimum (luxury). Where are your 20 thousand rubles? Drive the bullshit full.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 6 December 2013 20: 41
    0
    move on - why does the minimum wage have a regulatory function? Firstly. that there would be something to start with when determining the size of pensions, social benefits and other things, without reference to figures. Suppose a maternity allowance (maternity) in the amount of so many minimum wages. If there were no minimum wage, I would have to write a specific figure. But the figures are subject to inflation and others. Now you understand the social meaning of the minimum wage as an indicator, or how else to explain to you? Steamed, amateur.
    We go further - here you are writing - our state could easily put a minimum wage of 20 thousand rubles. The question is - why? Even illegal illegal Uzbeks are paid as much as the Uzbeks agree to work, and how much the employer does not mind, few people look at the minimum wage, ordinary people need it for a hundred years! And you ran into this figure as the main characteristic.
    And lastly, the minimum wage is in reserve. It is possible in the future to blow up the minimum wage by 20 thousand rubles, when it will be necessary to sharply increase labor productivity in Russia without regard to rising unemployment. The employer will be forced to pay at least 20 thousand, which means he will reduce staff, drive people out into the street, but at the same time he would have to increase production automation, force people to work more, change technology ... he would dodge. Don’t be afraid, Yarosvet, what you so dream of in the very near future. But this is not now, the time has not come yet.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 17: 20
    +2
    Quote: aksakal
    And yet - such a high minimum wage in geyrop and the United States leads to high government spending.

    Ohoho, aksakal, but the expenses of the population and all that and what we get wink Although here they measure the prosperity of life by the opportunity to go to Paris. I know people who can rush to Paris, but go to the lake or to taiga to relax request
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 6 December 2013 16: 50
    0
    Minimum wage in the Russian Federation:
    with 2009 - 4330 rubles;
    with 2011 - 4611 rubles;
    with 2013 - 5205 rubles;
    MOTHER IN THE USA 1030 Euro.
    “Commenting on the data of such a comparative analysis, the head of the department of wages and incomes of the population of the Research Institute of Russia, Sergei Gorbarets, recalls a terrible figure: it turns out that in 2000 the minimum wage in Russia was 107 rubles a month, so that in 10 years it has grown 40 times. Is it easier for Russians that their minimum wage is, nevertheless, 9 times lower than in the US?
    Experts from the Research Institute of Labor and Social Insurance under the Ministry of Health and Social Development admit that the minimum wage in Russia is even lower than in the poorest countries of the European Union. Here are the statistics. The minimum wage in Bulgaria is 123 euros, in Portugal - 470 euros, in Spain - 666 euros, in France - 1254 euros, in Ireland - 1403 euros, and in Luxembourg - 1570 euros. "
    From an article in the WG "The minimum wage in Russia still falls short of the level of the poorest EU countries." Published on August 18.08.2009, XNUMX.
    Since then, little has changed in the country. You can find information and fresher, but everything is clear.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 17: 18
    +2
    Quote: Valkyrie
    , in France - 1254 euros

    Bread is 6 euros, cigarettes are 5 euros, wine is at least 15 euros. Pay for phone, parking, TV. Utility room and you are almost rich wassat Past bang bang laughing
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 December 2013 17: 46
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Bread is 6 euros, cigarettes are 5 euros, wine is at least 15 euros. Pay for phone, parking, TV. Utility room and you are almost rich
  • matross
    matross 6 December 2013 19: 25
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    6 Euro bread, 5 Euro cigarettes, wine at least 15 Euro.

    Then you, Alexander, bent the fry! wink Everything is expensive, but not so much. And it depends on the country. In Greece, cheaper, in Sweden, more expensive, for example. But in general, in Russia, the level of consumption (if you do not take the large cities loaned by advertising) is much more balanced. Those. safer for the medium-term economy.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 05: 55
    0
    Quote: matRoss
    Then you, Alexander, bent the fry

    I called real prices so that hi
  • atalef
    atalef 7 December 2013 11: 45
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    6 Euro bread, 5 Euro cigarettes, wine at least 15 Euro.

    Sanya, where did you get these prices. I agree with cigarettes, but bread for 6 and wine for 15 euros?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2013 12: 19
    0
    Quote: atalef
    I agree with cigarettes, but bread for 6 and wine for 15 euros?

    about bread, instead of trio I pressed the six. And for the fault. you can take cheaper, but you won’t drink it wink
  • atalef
    atalef 7 December 2013 12: 41
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    about bread, instead of trio I pressed the six. And for the fault. you can take cheaper, but you won’t drink it

    In general, good is expensive like everywhere
  • matross
    matross 7 December 2013 13: 45
    0
    Quote: atalef
    I agree with cigarettes

    Yes, I give a tooth, in the summer in Europe, specifically in Malta, I bought LM in a machine according to the 2,5 of the Eureks!
  • Armata
    Armata 6 December 2013 09: 04
    12
    Quote: Kibalchish
    “Enough for the 300 to leave for the intellectuals, and France will turn into a country of idiots”
    It is true that more than 86 20 engineers, doctors, world-famous scientists have left Russia since 000. The Institute of Orthopedics and Trauma Surgery (near New York) is headed by Andrei Yanovich Falkovsky (Academician, Corresponding Member of the Uro RAS). Toyota European Design Bureau is headed by M. Mishnyakov (Many interesting buildings were built in Russia according to his projects. And there are a lot of such examples, but what about the bottom line? RAS is reduced to a minimum, GDP with ivy is moaning about a lack of brains in Russia, but nothing has been done.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 6 December 2013 09: 17
      +4
      Quote: Mechanic
      Quote: Kibalchish
      “Enough for the 300 to leave for the intellectuals, and France will turn into a country of idiots”
      It is true that more than 86 20 engineers, doctors, world-famous scientists have left Russia since 000. The Institute of Orthopedics and Trauma Surgery (near New York) is headed by Andrei Yanovich Falkovsky (Academician, Corresponding Member of the Uro RAS). Toyota European Design Bureau is headed by M. Mishnyakov (Many interesting buildings were built in Russia according to his projects. And there are a lot of such examples, but what about the bottom line? RAS is reduced to a minimum, GDP with ivy is moaning about a lack of brains in Russia, but nothing has been done.

      - Mlyn, Mechanic, why touch for the sick? There is a place to be. So "Armata" is slowing down, damn it, talented designers have left, there is only one mediocrity left, so "Armata" is not going laughing
      1. Armata
        Armata 6 December 2013 09: 57
        +6
        Quote: aksakal
        Mlyn, Mechanic, why touch for the sick? There is a place to be. So "Armata" is slowing down, damn it, talented designers have left, there is only one mediocrity left, so "Armata" is not going
        By the way, this is one of the reasons why the project is delayed. But the matter is not only in Armata. This is happening in all sectors not related to military technology.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 6 December 2013 10: 11
          -1
          Quote: Mechanic
          This is happening in all sectors not related to military technology.

          - Something tells me that such an uncle has been since the days of the USSR, if not related to the defense industry. Or did they take a loan of 6 lards from the Italians to the factory, so that the Italians could get it? But it seems to me that it was simply not enough for the civilian complex production of resources (human resources, of course) already. So what? Everything is being replenished; there would be a desire to make up.
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    3. alebor
      alebor 6 December 2013 10: 45
      +4
      Quote: Mechanic
      It is true that more than 86 20 engineers, doctors, world-famous scientists have left Russia since 000.


      But instead of each of our engineers who left, 100 "engineers" from the countries of Central Asia came to us. Profitable exchange 1: 100. bully
  • tnship2
    tnship2 6 December 2013 15: 00
    0
    In 1917-1920, a lot of intellectuals dashed off, left, sailed away. Someone who settled in Istanbul in Paris was a taxi driver. Many people settled in Germany. Well, they raised a country (USSR), the fruits of which are apparently being used by the second generation. Idiot discord as Forrest Gump said.
    1. alone
      alone 6 December 2013 23: 35
      0
      Quote: tnship2
      In 1917-1920, a lot of intellectuals dashed off, left, sailed away. Someone who settled in Istanbul in Paris was a taxi driver. Many people settled in Germany. Well, they raised a country (USSR), the fruits of which are apparently being used by the second generation. Idiot discord as Forrest Gump said.


      Well, you didn’t indicate how you lifted the country without intellectuals. You didn’t fight with literacy, everyone created the conditions for study. You went to an influx of universities, in the end no less talented people from the masses replaced the intellectuals who left.
      and now, too, the minds are leaving their countries. but there is no replacement, and it will not be soon. You just look at the level of education and understand how things are going there.
  • atalef
    atalef 6 December 2013 18: 30
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    “Enough for the 300 to leave for the intellectuals, and France will turn into a country of idiots”

    Very often those say it. who sees himself in these 300s laughing
    I remember in the early 2000s a story about some kind of advanced form of education in Russia. So these promoters are sitting at a banquet and one declares, like if a bomb falls here now. then there’s no one to teach in Russia. I still wondered if you were fucked up, you have to have such arrogance and arrogance
    Then it turned out that all their training was reduced to almost continuous sexual perversions.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 6 December 2013 09: 37
    +6
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    . What is the success, bucks print around the clock?

    The success, Sasha, lies in the fact that for almost 100 years they have been bred the whole world like suckers and all the people of the world have been praying for green papers and carefully collecting them, some on the accounts, some under the mattress, depending on the quantity. that of America as a state personally, because the state is just a screen. This success is on the account of certain individuals who created and successfully implemented the current vicious system of economic relations on a global scale, controlling it and naturally having dividends.
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 6 December 2013 09: 53
      0
      I agree, I support!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 00
        0
        Quote: Valkyrie
        I agree, I support!

        Go to America!
        1. Valkyrie
          Valkyrie 6 December 2013 10: 26
          +4
          Nothing smarter to say?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 6 December 2013 10: 54
            +1
            Quote: Valkyrie
            Nothing smarter to say?

            - Do you deserve it? It’s so foolish that it’s hard to say smarter than you laughing wassat
            Well, you explain - you are really so admired by rogues-swindlers? Even when your wallet is skillfully taken away - do you admire them? Like, "It's unpleasant, of course, it's a pity for the money, but how beautifully they did it, wow! This is what I want to marry - I’ll ride like cheese in butter".
            You know, I am not able to cheat and breed, unfortunately (to yours). But I have other skills and advantages - maybe they will be interested? lol repeat Absolutely safe for your wallet, well, which is fraught with the addition of posterity. How are you?
            1. Oskar
              Oskar 6 December 2013 19: 59
              -1
              Quote: aksakal
              You know, I am not able to cheat and breed, unfortunately (to yours).

              Why should she regret that you do not know how to cheat and breed? What does she care about you? Unclear...
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 6 December 2013 21: 34
                0
                Quote: Oskar
                Quote: aksakal
                You know, I am not able to cheat and breed, unfortunately (to yours).

                Why should she regret that you do not know how to cheat and breed? What does she care about you? Unclear...

                - and we will deal with her together without you, she can hold a candle in another place.
            2. Valkyrie
              Valkyrie 6 December 2013 21: 43
              0
              What makes you think that I am admired by rogue scammers? Where did you see it in my comments? I stated a well-known fact - the axiom that thieves and robbers (which are the United States) always live better. Do you think the oligarchs earned their money honestly? So is America. She is like our (and any) oligarchs. And for such a generous offer to add my offspring, of course, thanks, but I’d better wait for my children to add. I think a year or two, and I will be a grandmother. So, you do not suit me, apparently. Yes, and I to you. I’m not Alla Borisovna - to marry infants.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 6 December 2013 23: 03
                -1
                Quote: Valkyrie
                I think a year or two, and I will be a grandmother.

                God grant. Fingers know how to hold, so that the damned do not jinx it?
                Quote: Valkyrie
                What makes you think that I am admired by rogue scammers? Where did you see it in my comments? I stated a well-known fact - the axiom that thieves and robbers (which are the United States) always live better
                - Yes, they did, Baltic-18 also stated. Only then did you develop this topic in:
                Quote: Valkyrie
                Have you ever been to Europe or America? There, the standard of living is several orders of magnitude higher than ours. Our best specialists have long been there. And many live very well, I think, even most. Surely, even soaps are not allowed to come back. They tell us through the box that America is in the pope, and those who go there tell us that there is paradise on earth. I am more inclined to believe them

                Now we will logically compile your own statements right on this thread: "The US steals and plunders the whole world, but they made heaven on earth for their citizens for the loot!"
                As a result, the picture is not very attractive, it does not paint a wise grandmother. Excuse me, but this is the picture. Will you bring up your grandchildren in this spirit? "Granddaughter, and you take a closer look at this. Yes, a thief, a robber and a murderer, but for you in a separate apartment he will make heaven on Earth." Wisely.
                Well, if we really understand the adult, then Baltic-18 is right here - there is no concept of a predatory state, more precisely, all states are a priori bandits. At this level, banditry is legal, and the whole fuss is that the United States would throw the Colt to the side and deal with Russia on knives. Equalize the chances, make the competition more fair, start with some equal start and let the strongest win. Now the position due to the dominance of the dollar and the related advantages of an all-planet emission center does not give Russia any chance, and this is unfair. All those advantages of the Americans that Yaroslav appeals to are due precisely to the advantages of the emission center. And with the help of the Fed - the Central Bank of the Central Banks - the Americans still have the opportunity to slow down the Russian real sector through the financial sector. I see the picture in this way, not a momentary photograph, which is now not in Russia's favor. And you and Yarosvet put in front of me this momentary photo and show me everything that I already see without you perfectly. Only for me are these obstacles to victory, problems that need to be solved. And for you, the tragedy is such that Russia is ready to bury for it. And this despite the fact that right now Russia is just raising the question of an honest fight - and then the question is who will win.
                Well, Valkyrie, you need to grow up not only physically, mentally and spiritually, you also need
              2. Valkyrie
                Valkyrie 9 December 2013 09: 05
                +1
                Quote: aksakal
                For me alone, these are obstacles to victory, problems that need to be solved. And for you, the tragedy is such that Russia is ready to bury for it. And this despite the fact that right now Russia is just raising the question of an honest fight - and then the question is who will win.

                For you? So you think that in our country you solve all the problems? Well, the flag in your hands! Let’s decide faster, I really want to see the agony of America during my lifetime.
                Russia can not yet raise the question of any fight with the United States, neither honest, nor any other. If the economic system in the country does not change, Russia will disappear as a state - whether we want it or not. Not I bury Russia, but those who rob it and humiliate the people living in it.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 00
    0
    Quote: baltika-18

    The success, Sasha, lies in the fact that for almost 100 years they have been breeding the whole world as suckers

    You know Kolya, but sooner or later it will end and what will happen with success then? Or rather, what is happening to him now?
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 6 December 2013 10: 32
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      You know Kolya, but sooner or later it will end and what will happen with success then?

      Of course, it will end. But on one condition. And the condition is we, Russia. If we manage to change our economic system, return the only true function of the exchange equivalent to money, creating a new cost-formation scheme and much more, then the collapse of America, England and those who behind them stands secured.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Or rather, what is happening to him now?

      So far, nothing special has been happening with them. The whole world lives according to their economic laws and rules, which are a subjective thing. They created them for themselves and for themselves. Only scrapping the models, then they are finished. I am not a prophet, and not clairvoyant, but it’s Russia will be the first country to break up the old obsolete economic system, leading civilization to a standstill. Not for nothing that we occupy 1/6 of the land with excellent material resources and excellent human potential?
      You think you have to wait a long time? No, everything will be decided in this decade. And then
      Quote: Wedmak
      America will weaken and its army will decline, the United States will simply be torn into rags.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 48
        0
        Quote: baltika-18

        Of course it will end. But on one condition. And the condition is we, Russia

        Not only Russia, the main US donor is China. Russia may be an alternative, yes.
        Quote: baltika-18
        I am not a prophet, nor a clairvoyant, but it will be Russia that will be the first country to scrappage the old obsolete economic system that leads civilization to a dead end.

        Those. it happens and you believe in it. Good.
        Quote: baltika-18
        You think you have to wait a long time? No, everything will be decided in this decade. And then

        I think so too, and despite all the efforts of the United States, oddly enough the truth wink
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 December 2013 11: 43
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Not only Russia, the main US donor is China. Russia may be an alternative, yes.

          The United States and China are interdependent to a very large extent. And this dependence was created purposefully so that China would not be able to get off the hook. Therefore, the only starting point of change, as always, will be Russia, there is no alternative. And China is tightly on the hook. This is a "colossus not even on clay feet, on sandy ones. "It can fall off very quickly, just like the" Asian tigers "of the 80s.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 14: 37
            0
            Quote: baltika-18
            And this dependence was created deliberately so that China could not get off the hook.

            until the yuan becomes convertible. Further conditions will be dictated by China.
      2. Lapotnik
        Lapotnik 6 December 2013 11: 15
        +2
        Maybe not the first. China is making very serious progress towards this, and their economy will be more profitable than ours. So Russia has a very dangerous "friend", so as not to overlook his successes, otherwise it is not even an hour they will stick a knife in the back. In the Far East, it is already plainly and it is not clear in which language there are more signs - in Chinese or in Russian. I think about raw materials better to remain silent.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 December 2013 11: 51
          +1
          Quote: Lapotnik
          So Russia has a very dangerous "friend"

          You are right, as soon as Russia begins to change its economic model, China will immediately cease to be a friend. It will have to choose, it will no longer be possible to sit out like a wise monkey.
          1. washi
            washi 6 December 2013 13: 13
            0
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: Lapotnik
            So Russia has a very dangerous "friend"

            You are right, as soon as Russia begins to change its economic model, China will immediately cease to be a friend. It will have to choose, it will no longer be possible to sit out like a wise monkey.

            Stop scaring China.
            We gave the Chinese to Manjuria.
            Everything north of the "wall of China" is dead land.
            They come to us either from hunger, or by order.
            For China, we are still Great White Brothers (though not all).
            We are brains for them. They understand our temporary difficulties.
            Our civilization is ancient Chinese.
            The history of the Chinese was written by the Jesuits (already proven).
            Our history was also copied by foreigners.
        2. washi
          washi 6 December 2013 13: 05
          +1
          Quote: Lapotnik
          Maybe not the first. China is making very serious progress towards this, and their economy will be more profitable than ours. So Russia has a very dangerous "friend", so as not to overlook his successes, otherwise it is not even an hour they will stick a knife in the back. In the Far East, it’s already plain and incomprehensible in whose language there are more signs — in Chinese or in Russian.

          Why do you think so?
          Yes, in the border cities of Russia and China, signs are in two languages. But the same two lingual signs everywhere at border points.
          There are few Chinese, they are controlled, and sometimes it’s difficult to name them Chinese (sometimes more Russian than individual representatives of the Slavs). Unfortunately, the Vietnamese disappeared (perhaps the Chinese survived). The Armenians are still at the catering. Tajiks in the back room. Uzbeks at a more intelligent job (even met an electrical engineer).
          Do not read alarmists. In the Far East almost things are good.
          If you also carry out customs clearance not in Moscow, but here. And local enterprises (factories) to revive ...
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      4. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 6 December 2013 22: 13
        0
        They spoke very well about the role and future of Russia. I want to believe and hope that it will be so. Everything should be decided in this decade unambiguously. Otherwise, the point of no return will be passed.
    2. AVV
      AVV 6 December 2013 12: 02
      +1
      America’s debt is already more than 17 trillion green wrappers, and the budget for 2014 has not been adopted, January will come and the clowning between the president and congress will happen again, they will still teach others and promote their values, but the values ​​with such a debt of the country and a penny broken they don’t give gold to the Germans until 2099, which means that they will never give it back !!! And when America falls apart, the debts themselves will automatically be reset to zero, so we need to withdraw our funds from America urgently and place it in another currency, like the Chinese, for example, in gold, so as not to burn out !!! So that the States are not the authority for us !!!
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 6 December 2013 09: 28
    +1
    You also seem to have powdered your brain. Conditions are already a business. America is not loved, America is afraid. But as soon as America weakens and its army falls into decay, the US will simply be torn to pieces. And with PLEASURE they will remember EVERYTHING "good" that this country did.
    And attempts to slander the USSR and Russia in general will not lead to anything. True, she will always find the way.
  • makarov
    makarov 6 December 2013 07: 53
    +1
    As there our grandfathers and great-grandfathers used to say: - Do not boast about walking on the army !!!
  • Normal
    Normal 6 December 2013 08: 37
    +3
    Wow !!!! fellow Esaul showed up! Well now have some fun! It will not be boring.
    And almost every second comment from the main admirer - Alexander Romanov. laughing
    I also can not resist and celebrate. I’ll read the article only.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 6 December 2013 09: 29
      +4
      Quote: Normal
      Esaul showed up! Well now have some fun!

      I love pearls, Glavkazak.
      Opinion: theft as a concept exists only in the relations of individuals. In relations at the state level, this is called politics. And in politics, the one who is stronger from the military and economic points of view. International norms and rules apply only to the weak, this is a parade picture of the world. .
      Quote: Kibalchish
      I am not a fan, neither the States nor Obama. Although it was in the history of the States that he defended his thesis.

      That's right, America is a dangerous adversary. To defeat it, you need to know it.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 04
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18

        That's right, America is a dangerous adversary. To defeat it, you need to know it.

        Yes, he defended his thesis, and was not going to win laughing
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 December 2013 10: 45
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, he defended his thesis, and was not going to win

          I don’t know about him. But they always study the enemy. And by the way, he has enough weaknesses. But the trick is that we can’t take advantage of these weaknesses, because we play by their rules. When we stop, we only stop then when we change the system of economic relations within the country, then we can replay them.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 6 December 2013 11: 44
            +1
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, he defended his thesis, and was not going to win

            I don’t know about him. But they always study the enemy. And by the way, he has enough weaknesses. But the trick is that we can’t take advantage of these weaknesses, because we play by their rules. When we stop, we only stop then when we change the system of economic relations within the country, then we can replay them.
            - Dear, "the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads!" I don’t remember where! Before changing the system of economic relations within even your own country, you must first change your excessively tolerant attitude towards the way of making money. By the way, the paradox is that it is your wonderful fan who refused me (or so it seems to me), right now, here, on this thread, she demonstrated an example of exactly what will interfere with Russia. So with distorted - "Well, the States are thieves! But their population lives super!". It's like saying: "Well, what if Petrov is a thief, a robber and a murderer! But there his zhinka rolls around like cheese in butter, every day he changes his fur coats!" The formula "no matter how you make money, the very fact that you have it is important!" and there is the main obstacle to Russia. Reeducate your female fans. You can be more tolerant of me. smile I will not mind.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 6 December 2013 12: 56
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              Before changing the system of economic relations within even your own country

              Do you think that is not necessary?
              Quote: aksakal
              you must first change your overly tolerant attitude towards the way you make money

              this is regulated by the criminal code.
              Quote: aksakal
              The paradox by the way is that it’s your beautiful admirer who refused me

              What are you talking about?
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 6 December 2013 13: 29
                0
                Quote: baltika-18
                Do you think that is not necessary?

                - it is necessary, but before that it is necessary to change the state of the general state of the minds of Russia. When the general state of minds in the USSR was such that we did build communism and, in general, the builder of communism was up to the task, then even in space we were the first! When the general state of minds is such that
                Quote: aksakal
                "it doesn't matter how you make money, it's just the fact that you have it!"

                it’s not like in outer space, economic relations within the country cannot be changed. Are you betting? Now they have developed in such an unsightly form precisely because of this system of views, thanks to this tolerance for the way of earning, and as long as such tolerance remains - such economic relations will prevail, in another way.
                Quote: baltika-18
                this is regulated by the criminal code.

                - how, let me ask. laughing If I guess, but I don’t know for sure, and I’m not sure for sure that my neighbor, working in the mayor’s office as a big clerk, does not live, but is chic, and I don’t knock on him, and even in my kitchen I admire, they say, " good fellow knows how to live! ", how will you pull me up and under what article to the Criminal Code?
                And yet - if such a general condition is that
                Quote: aksakal
                "no matter how you make money, the very fact that you have it is important!"

                then the neighbor will even be pleased to sit, because I will accompany him to prison with music, they say, "hold on, bro, well done, you count! The authorities forbid us to earn money and live as we need, but we cannot be broken! we are with you, for Don't worry about children, I'll take care of them! And we will show the authorities its place in the corner, near .... ". Death is red in the world. So with your Criminal Code you are unlikely to change anything with such a state of mind. Hope further!
                Quote: baltika-18
                What are you talking about?

                - I’m just giving you an example - it was Valkyrie who very loudly supported you when you once said that “the United States is robbing, but the population of the United States lives normally!”. Moreover, I perfectly caught your main idea, you do not admire the States, you simply state the actual state of affairs and even ponder how to defeat these States. But Valkyrie caught only what she wanted (or only what she was able to?) And loudly supported your phrases outside of your own context. Do you understand?
                It’s just that I’m letting the Valkyrie know why she is talking about politics with boring men ?, because this is not a female matter, let's better sublime let's talk, it's over there, and she ignores me request
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 6 December 2013 14: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: aksakal
                  When the general state of minds in the USSR was such that we did build communism and, in general, the builder of communism was up to the task, then even in space we were the first!

                  A person is so constructed that the general mood of minds depends on who leads them to a specific goal, depends on those people, on their lifestyle and the conformity of their lifestyle to the goals that they formulate. This is a system. If words are at odds with affairs of the leading human community, we get "devastation in the minds" of most of this community.
                  The "overly tolerant attitude towards making money" in the human community can change only in the case of a personal example of the management part, as well as responsibility and accountability of the management part. And by and large, a change in the economic model will automatically change this very attitude. So I think everything is primary. just this.
                  Quote: aksakal
                  Moreover, I perfectly understood your main idea, you do not admire the States, you simply state the actual state of affairs and even think how to defeat these States. But the Valkyrie caught only what she wanted

                  Well, you got it right. And what others caught ... To each his own.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 6 December 2013 14: 33
                    -1
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    The "overly tolerant attitude towards making money" in the human community can change only in the case of a personal example of the management part, as well as responsibility and accountability of the management part. And by and large, a change in the economic model will automatically change this very attitude. So I think everything is primary. just this.

                    - somehow sounds strange ... I have already read somewhere ... I remember! "The uncivilization of the human community can change only in the case of the personal example of the Gods, as well as the personal responsibility of every God before the Supreme God! "If you do not agree with my definition, or rather equating
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    leading part

                    to the deities, then answer the question - where does this very governing part come from, which thinks differently and is already considering changing the rules of the economic game? Otkel is this governing part taken, if not from the people themselves? And if people think so, then why should the leadership part that has left this people think differently or suddenly start thinking differently? Or should the leadership part, thinking differently, be sent to us from across the ocean? So over the ocean do not mind, just agree! laughing I am sure that changes begin among the people, only the people themselves can overcome the devastation in their heads, and their best sons start this business, excuse the pathos, and the leading part will change only later, will not go anywhere! And if he doesn’t want to change, it means that the leading part will be different, there is no need to prove it. Nope, the idea is primary, and the economy is secondary. "In the beginning there was a word!" The idea - in the scientific sense - is information. First we model, then we create. Models are sometimes wrong, because not all factors are taken into account (the so-called "curse of dimension", when with the development of events it is necessary to take into account more and more factors (the dimension of the system increases), but nevertheless, it is this information (idea, word) that is primary.
                    1. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 6 December 2013 16: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: aksakal
                      (idea, word) is primary.

                      Do we have an idea?
                      And in addition, an idea does not arise from nothing, it is formed as a result of a person’s mental activity, that is, it can be attached to a specific individual and voiced by him, that is, we rest again in the role of the individual, and not the abstract of the whole people.
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Otkel is this governing part taken, if not from the people themselves?

                      Are you sure that it is the best? After all, the current lack of ideology and religious shyness, economic absurdity, is precisely the merit of the current leading and directing.
                      Quote: aksakal
                      , only the people themselves can overcome the devastation in their heads, and the best sons begin this business

                      It is precisely the best that begin, and if their ideas are supported by the people, then the people overcome the devastation. Again we come to the role of the individual in history.
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 6 December 2013 18: 08
                        0
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Do we have an idea?

                        yes no her! So I’m not talking about whether it is, this idea, whether it is amiss or not! I answered your:
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        And by and large, a change in the economic model will automatically change this very attitude. So it seems to me primarily all the same.
                        . Well, if this is primary, then why do you need an idea? And in general, really, I’m grabbing a minus from you, damn myself, since you’re right, do what you’re singing, make your change of economic model without any idea (which is so secondary that it doesn’t even deserve a dispute), that’s stupid poke method. I think the Russian people somehow got tired of the experiments and are unlikely to agree to the experiments on your part.
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        Are you sure that it is the best? After all, the current lack of ideology and religious shyness, economic absurdity, is precisely the merit of the current leading and directing

                        - Are you authorized to give an assessment, is this the best part or not the best? Does the halo above your head glow a lot? Every nation deserves the power it has... If your fans in all seriousness argue that "I know Petrov, a thief and a murderer, but his wife is rolling around like cheese in butter! I want it the same way! I want to marry someone like Petrov!", Valkyrie, in support of you, voiced this in excuse The United States, like, yes, the United States is bombing, but their population lives well, why not bomb it, in this way, and the Yarosvet still proves it, go upstairs, and if the majority of the population in Russia thinks so, then Putin even too good, UNWARDED GOOD FOR YOU, THIS IS MY DEEP BELIEF. In this case, even Pol Pot will be unfairly good for you. Do you get the idea?
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        It is precisely the best that begin, and if their ideas are supported by the people, then the people overcome the devastation. Again we come to the role of the individual in history.

                        I didn't seem to argue about personality in history. But just then I told you about this - first the idea, this is what you called that "idea, receiving support from the people." Oh no no no! Not good. Name it differently and give me right there and then in the dispute what I argued. And "ideas that are supported by the people" are generally called in physics "fluctuations that grow in the body of an evolving object to macroscopic sizes"! laughing
                2. Valkyrie
                  Valkyrie 9 December 2013 10: 58
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  it was Valkyrie who very loudly supported you when you once said that "the USA is robbing, but the population of the USA lives normally!" And I perfectly grasped your main idea, you do not admire the States, you simply state the actual state of affairs and even ponder how to defeat these States. But the Valkyrie caught only what she wanted (or only what she was able to?) And loudly supported your phrases outside your own context. Do you understand?
                  It’s just that I’m letting the Valkyrie understand why she has politics with boring men ?, because this is not a woman’s business, let's talk about the sublime, it’s there, above, but she ignores me

                  Aksakal! You cannot even catch it, but literally perceive what is written in Russian. No one said: America is robbing but its population lives well. It is you yourself who are so distorting what has been said. They tell you, including the author of the article, that he lives well, because he is robbing. And I never said that I admire the states, I said that a thief and a scammer always live better than someone who makes money honestly. You have a perverted imagination. And then, I did not say that I am not young. Perhaps only in comparison with you, middle-aged, since you have not yet decided with whom to make children. And again: the fact that you are a boring man I have long understood. But I didn’t get into your conversation. I commented on the article as I thought. At the expense of America: I know what I'm talking about. My former classmate has been living in America for many years (somewhere from the end of the 90's). We talked with him for a couple of years in social networks, however, the last year we no longer communicate, we quarreled. According to him, a huge part of Americans lives on unemployment benefits simply because they are too lazy to work, they have enough of this money to feed their family, but a lot is not needed. Who wants to earn a lot, you can get loans, promote a business, and then do not give loans. No one will come to you and describe your property. They will simply say that we won’t give you more. The judicial system works there, unlike ours, so there is order. People are afraid of punishment. You can buy a good car very inexpensively, gasoline is cheap. The global crisis did not affect them in any way, only gasoline became even cheaper. This is the opinion of a simple person who is nothing special. Farther. My boss constantly communicates on Skype with his good friend, who also has been living in America for a long time. He has a rather solid business there - his own hotels on the coast of Miami. He is not gay, he has a young wife (much younger than him), a normal full-fledged family. He does not rush there, like our businessmen with medium business, punching every case with the help of bribes to snickering officials. He just does nothing, everything is arranged for him, the manager is engaged in all the affairs. Taxes are small compared to ours. He does not think about returning to Russia. Constantly calls his friend (my boss) to him, persuades him to come too. The boss went there on vacation, arriving in shock, as he had been in another dimension. (She also dreams of going there, but for some reason does not go. Perhaps she wants to save more money. I don’t know, in general, why, maybe there are other reasons.) And many others who are in America say the same thing. I am not writing all this because, as you say, I love America. If she loved, nothing would hold me here. I love my motherland. But the fact that life in America today is significant, yes, namely, several orders of magnitude higher, is a fact. Do you love America or hate it, the fact will still remain a fact. Perhaps soon this will come to an end. I also want to hope so. But for now, even though I am blonde, America is no worse off. Even in the presence of a huge external debt, for which she simply sneezes.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 6 December 2013 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      And almost every second comment from the main admirer - Alexander Romanov.

      Three hours later, Apollo will pull himself up. He remembered in Esaul today in Skype, so, ahead of the show wink
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 6 December 2013 11: 57
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Normal
        And almost every second comment from the main admirer - Alexander Romanov.

        Three hours later, Apollo will pull himself up. He remembered in Esaul today in Skype, so, ahead of the show wink

        Strange, while eating horse meat kazy today, I also thought: "Whose horse were you? What esaul threw you? Oppa! And where, by the way, Esaul? Where did you disappear?" That's really "remember - it will appear!"
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 6 December 2013 21: 47
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Three hours later, Apollo will pull up

        Not in three hours, but much later.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .He remembered today in Esaul in skype, so, ahead of the show

        Well, I missed you, but whether Esaul would be glad to meet with me .... hardly. I still remember his dictum that as soon as I mention his nickname, I get heartburn. Thank God I don’t complain about my stomach laughing Ugh so as not to jinx it.
        PS
        Once again, Comrade Esaul’s favorite technique, I understand that he prepared the article, deprived himself of free time, but there is no time to oppose as always. winkedFor this reason I will refrain from commenting on this thread.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 6 December 2013 08: 43
    +1
    Dear Kibalchish, agree that it is much easier to "throw" a partner than to help him in difficult times. The market ideology is based on the principle "Bolivar will not stand two"; shoot, so as not to suffer - this is humanism !? In addition, in their actions, market people rely on not the best (to put it mildly) part of the population of the host country, because the adherents of the market follow the same principle and use the same means.

    So, to call it, the prosperity of some at the expense of others, democracy or civilization - at least ... hi
  • saag
    saag 6 December 2013 08: 51
    +1
    "The person who commits the theft is simply called a thief"
    Well now it’s called - an effective manager, quite modern
  • Normal
    Normal 6 December 2013 09: 04
    0
    I read ... Well ... a normal article. True, I found something to cling to laughing
    All of humanity knows that in the middle of the last century, evil on the planet called the Second World War took place. And this evil was staged and festered in Germany by tireless efforts from overseas.

    Of course, there were some businessmen from across the ocean, but, as it seems to me, we also made some efforts. Both systems strove for war, and both systems hoped to defeat it. Both systems used their opponents and the created situation to their advantage. And to blame all the reasons for 2 MVs only overseas means to simplify the situation and engage in self-deception.

    Russia, shoulder to shoulder with then fraternal republics, this evil defeated

    What kind of Russia? Then there was the USSR! And it turns out that the United States and Great Britain (participants in the anti-Hitler kaolitsiya, as you know) were "then fraternal republics" lol It is necessary to treat the text more carefully, more carefully. laughing
    the peoples of the USSR broke the ridge of this fierce beast and saved the peoples of the world from this plague

    Again, the silence of the role of the Russian people, who suffered the main losses in the war (I consider the Belarusian and Okrainny peoples to be Russians) and an attempt to hide it behind the "peoples of the USSR"
    Well, that’s probably all. I agree with the rest.
    Yes ... Romanov disappointed. Instead of discussing the article and "compliments" the author grappled with Kibalchish. If such "devoted fans" have begun to ignore, then it's time, Esaul, to return to the site, otherwise they will completely forget. hi
    1. dmb
      dmb 6 December 2013 09: 24
      +2
      If not for your comment, dear opponent, I would never interfere. for the article, as usual for this author, is in the style of "late Prokhanov". Only howls about "sacredness" are lacking. But your conclusion about the desire of the USSR for war, it would be necessary to substantiate at least something. I suppose, due to your Nick and the content of the previous comments, you will not operate with Svanidze's arguments.
      1. Normal
        Normal 6 December 2013 22: 17
        +1
        Quote: dmb
        If not for your comment, dear opponent, I wouldn’t interfere for anything

        As I understand it, do you express your opinion about Yesaul’s article with which you have long-standing hostile personal relationships through a post to my comment?
        Quote: dmb
        I believe, due to your Nick and the content of the previous comments,

        I believe that you need to decide; according to your opinion, I still have my nickname or not. Depending on your definition, I will make a decision; chat with you or not
    2. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 6 December 2013 10: 16
      +2
      Vladimir! With the main thing that you said, I agree. But:
      "Of course, there were businessmen from across the ocean, but it seems to me that we made some efforts. Both systems were striving for war and both systems hoped to win it." - With these absolutely not. The USSR did not strive for war in any way. The country's leadership understood that war was inevitable and was preparing for it in all conceivable and inconceivable ways, at the cost of the people's tremendous self-sacrifice. Nobody wanted war in the USSR! Due to this war, the United States overcame its crisis, took the leading position in the world, while suffering miserable losses! And who in the USSR benefited from the war? Who exactly are you now blaming for striving for war in the USSR?
      And one more thing: you are citing a phrase from an article: "Russia, shoulder to shoulder with the then fraternal republics, overcame this evil." What's wrong here? Russia then existed in the form of the RSFSR. This is what we are talking about. Naturally, about the leading role of the Russian people in this war. I also do not separate the Belarusians and Ukrainians, they at all times (before ours) were a part of us.
      1. Normal
        Normal 6 December 2013 22: 51
        +1
        Quote: Valkyrie
        You are citing a phrase from an article: "Russia, shoulder to shoulder with the then fraternal republics, overcame this evil." What's wrong here?

        These are my "nagging" about the work of Esaul. He will understand. wink
        Quote: Valkyrie
        With these categorically no. The USSR did not seek war in any way. The country's leadership understood that war was inevitable and was preparing for it in every conceivable and inconceivable way, at the cost of tremendous self-sacrifice of the people. Nobody wanted war in the USSR! Due to this war, the United States overcame its crisis, took the world’s leading position, and suffered miserable losses! And to whom was war beneficial in the USSR? Who exactly do you blame for striving for war in the USSR?

        You see the Valkyrie ... My understanding of history, the causes of war, the incentive motives of heads of state and generally the processes occurring in the world very often and in many ways do not coincide with official or generally accepted versions and explanations. I try, to the best of my knowledge and ability to think big, without denying either good or bad. Moreover, my opinion rarely coincides with propaganda, because what we are constantly told is just what hides the truth.
        My conviction that the USSR was striving for war is determined by the postulate that a world revolution can only be reached as a result of a world war.
        Of course, now they will tell me that this is Trotskyism, and Stalinism did not strive for a world revolution.
        In my opinion, the differences in the question of the world revolution between Trotsky and Stalin consist only in the terms, the necessary material resources and tactics. Trotsky wanted everything at once and now, Stalin understood that he needed the material, technical, industrial and scientific base. We need a certain political situation in Europe. And Stalin worked on this without sparing neither strength, nor means, nor people. Stalin was a man of IDEA and this idea could not be building only socialism in just a single country.
        It is clear to me as a day, and I do not give it ratings.
        It's not my mind to assess the scale of the accomplishments of such personalities. But to determine for myself what was and how, or what and why is now I have every right. I do not impose my opinion, but I also do not endure when they impose on me something I disagree with or what I consider to be false.
        I think that in our views on today's day in Russia we agree on something.
        Sincerely ... hi
        1. Valkyrie
          Valkyrie 9 December 2013 09: 45
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          Quote: Normal
          In my opinion, the differences in the question of the world revolution between Trotsky and Stalin consist only in the terms, the necessary material resources and tactics. Trotsky wanted everything at once and now, Stalin understood that he needed the material, technical, industrial and scientific base. We need a certain political situation in Europe.

          I do not want to impose my opinion on you, but still, I think that it’s not worth practically equalizing Trotsky and Stalin. If we abandon the so-called propaganda (although everyone, probably, has the right to consider any point of view different from his own) and look at the situation in our country as a whole since the Bolsheviks came to power, then it is impossible not to agree that Trotsky’s activity was aimed at the destruction of: undermining the economy, military power and integrity of the country. And Stalin’s activity was aimed at building up: the economy, military power, territorial integrity (almost within the same borders after the 2 World War II) were restored, the international authority of the USSR soared to the highest positions. This is their main difference. Don't you think so? wink
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 6 December 2013 13: 01
      0
      Quote: Normal
      Both systems strove for war, and both systems hoped to defeat it.

      Quote: Normal
      Both systems used their opponents and the created situation in their own interests. And to blame all the causes of 2 MVs only overseas means to simplify the situation and engage in self-deception.

      - Rezun’s business lives and wins wassat There is even Valkyrie, a lover of the United States, who disagrees with you. "Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are!" Rezun is crazy.
      Quote: Normal
      Again, the silence of the role of the Russian people, who suffered the main losses in the war

      - Where is the silence? Everyone already knows that the largest people among the peoples of the USSR was precisely the Russian people, so this is already in the phrase
      Quote: Normal
      peoples of the USSR

      default! How do you want? To lengthen the phrase, each time adding "the peoples of the USSR, among which the role of the Russian people should be emphasized ... and further in the text!" Or in general, everywhere in these cases, just write "Russian people"? In the latter case, A. Moldagulova, M. Mametova were just hanging out there glamorously next to the front, was it fashionable then? But the Americans you love believe that the Russian people are not among the winners, well, he played a little some kind of rl, grammets, it's hard to deny, but in general he basically died an innocent victim - that's what the Americans think. Now what? where to look for the truth? Is your version the truest? Believe me, just show the halo above your head.
      1. Normal
        Normal 6 December 2013 23: 20
        +1
        Quote: aksakal
        - Rezun's case lives on and wins Here even Valkyrie, a lover of the United States, who disagrees with you. "Tell me who your friend is and I will tell you who you are!" Rezun is crazy.

        I understand that the youngest is at school and you are "carried away" without supervision
        Quote: aksakal
        - Where is the silence?

        Yes, here it is !:
        Quote: aksakal
        default!

        It is by the "default" of the Russians and the constant, to the place and not to the place of repeated mention, protrusion of non-Russians and the role of the Russian people in the history of the USSR and Russia is hushed up.
        Quote: aksakal
        How do you want? To lengthen the phrase, each time adding "the peoples of the USSR, among which the role of the Russian people must be emphasized ... and further in the text!" Or in general, everywhere in these cases, simply write "Russian people"?

        Demagogy of pure water. You were not too lazy to mention the Moldagulovs and Mametovs, did not hesitate to lengthen the phrase?
        No one is surprised that next to the phrase "Soviet people" there are always "fraternal republics" somewhere nearby, Georgians with the Victory Banner, Kazakh armor-piercers, Nanai hunter-snipers, and almost never Tatar scouts and never Russian infantry (well, perhaps what a joker Terkin) Well, of course; they are the "default"
        Quote: aksakal
        But the Americans you love believe that the Russian people are not in the winners there, well, a little some kind of rl played, a grammar, it’s hard to deny, but in general, he died an innocent victim - this is what the Americans think.

        No, old demagogue, Americans are loved by you, not me. It is you who agree with them in assessing the role of Russians in the war. Do you mention Americans more often than Russians?
        trying to pull them by the ears to anyone who does not praise the All-Great without alternative.

        Quote: aksakal
        And now what?


        Now I stop communicating with you until your youngest returns. She will see the mind for something more will be yours. Yes, and to be rude to a woman (it's not about me, of course), she will not either. hi
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 6 December 2013 23: 53
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          Quote: Normal
          Yes, and to be rude to a woman (it's not about me, of course), she will not

          I’m sweet to her - why do you need politics? So she - the USA is a paradise on Earth, the USA is a paradise on Earth! Sorry, I got into a man’s conversation, insisted - we talked to her like a man, and explained popularly that there is no paradise on earth, especially in the USA.
          Quote: Normal

          It is by the "default" of the Russians and the constant, to the place and not to the place of repeated mention, protrusion of non-Russians and the role of the Russian people in the history of the USSR and Russia is hushed up.
          - give the facts of the constant protrusion of non-Russians? I don’t remember that. But about the fact that there was no feat of 28 Panfilov guardsmen, "Like, Thus, the materials of the investigation established that the feat of 28 Panfilov guardsmen, covered in the press, is a fiction of the correspondent of Koroteev, the editor of Krasnaya Zvezda Ortenberg, and in particular the literary Secretary of the newspaper Krivitsky "and I regularly read this nonsense in your media. Is this the suppression of the role of the Russian people? Nu-nu, looks more like your complexes of a Russian offended by the defeat in the Cold War. The only thing that remains is to throw mud at the personally elected President and bully Esaulov just because he did not continue his proposal with the phrase:
          Quote: Normal
          The peoples of the Soviet Socialist Republic, among which it is especially necessary to emphasize the role of the Russian people
          .
          And this is not demagogy, it is smaller and more modest. This is just what I think of you.
          Quote: Normal
          No, old demagogue, Americans are loved by you, not me. It is you who agree with them in assessing the role of Russians in the war. Do you mention Americans more often than Russians?
          - Americans are so beloved by me that the Valkyries inherited from me for their paradise on earth. I would know that she was middle-aged, would be more polite. And judged by the text - a blonde blonde got into the conversation and proves something for the Americans. Well, I love Americans.
          Putin, no one to me. And the president is so-so, not Stalin. Well, the Americans do not like it to trembling teeth! And only for this I am for Putin! And with you for this topic I will express more than once, and I will light up! Well, I love Americans! And what he did there for you or didn’t - yes, I don’t give a damn. They should do it themselves, who will do it for you? Good tsar father? Who told you that Putin is such? He raised his ass and did what to expect when Putin will do? No, it’s easier to scold all non-Russians for being non-Russians.
    4. washi
      washi 6 December 2013 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      Of course, there were some businessmen from across the ocean, but, as it seems to me, we also made some efforts. Both systems strove for war, and both systems hoped to defeat it. Both systems used their opponents and the created situation to their advantage. And to blame all the reasons for 2 MVs only overseas means to simplify the situation and engage in self-deception.

      Sorry, but what did the USSR do to start 2 MB?
      Offered help to Czechoslovakia?
      Did Spain help against MILITARY DICTATURE?
      At the PEACE TALKS with FINLAND, they proposed to the 3rd large territory?
      Not allowed to occupy the MPR?
      Do not confuse Trotskyism and Stalinism.
  • Lelek
    Lelek 6 December 2013 09: 24
    +3
    Once a famous person said about America: "The one who stole a bun is put in prison, and the one who stole the railroad is sent to the Senate." And why are we worse? bully
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 6 December 2013 10: 16
      +3
      Quote: Lelek
      And what are we worse? bully

      The fact that we already have buns and railways already stolen. And the result, compared with America, is zero, if not negative.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 6 December 2013 10: 01
    0
    Simply - . Tired of screams Hold the thief.
  • alebor
    alebor 6 December 2013 10: 59
    +2
    Isn't the current "softening" US policy towards Syria a clever tactical move? Now the United States has ensured that Assad surrenders all his chemical weapons and, thus, Syria will be deprived of the opportunity to strike a "retaliation" against the American brothers in Israel in the event of a US attack on Syria. And then what will prevent America from attacking Syria? And there is always a reason for a military operation, if desired. They will show on all Western TV channels "crying Syrian children", this will be followed by condemnation of the "world community", and then, as they say, a matter of technology ...
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 6 December 2013 11: 07
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    <<< The United States can agree to reconciliation with the government of Bashar al-Assad. >>>
    The US authority in the world is inexorably falling, their omnipotence is coming to an end, and they seem to have realized that the attempt to overthrow Bashar al-Assad and put a loyal puppet in his place has finally failed: the process got out of control and forces might come to power - the allies of al-Qaeda , in comparison with which Bashar al-Assad will be a real liberal and democrat! They realized that they DO NOT HAVE leverage over the parties to the Syrian conflict and that the Syrian problem can be resolved without them! In order not to be completely overboard in this process, the United States went for a conciliatory curtsey towards the "bloody regime" of Assad! The United States has always had to do with principles if they interfere with their globalist policy!
  • washi
    washi 6 December 2013 13: 49
    +2
    Russia has always been tolerant. What is in the relationship of faith, what is in relation to nationality.
    This is an identical entity in the WORLD, which did not enslave, but interacted with ALL who joined the RUSSIAN world. The interaction was mutual. This can be determined by language. The Russians absorbed nations similar in outlook (unlike the Europeans and Asians, who subjugated everyone to themselves)
    Russians are a public and fair people (regardless of nationality in modern interpretation)
    Russian is a state of mind.
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    2. postman
      postman 7 December 2013 02: 39
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      Quote: Vasya
      Russia has always been tolerant. What is in the relationship of faith, what is in relation to nationality.

      not!!
      1. The relation to foreigners
      2.Residence of Settlement
      3. Seryoga Trufanov (Trufanov Sergey Mikhailovich) -Iliodor: "Union of the Russian people", "Pochaevsky Leaf", "Veche" and so on
      “Ooh, intellectual, your face is a Jew! ... on the cover of which a painting quack is depicted, and with this quack they smear the face of a fool with glasses."... Put some kvachem, Iliodorushko
      4. How is it? bearable?

      Quote: Vasya
      interacted with ALL who have joined the RUSSIAN world. The interaction was mutual. This can be determined by language. The Russians absorbed nations similar in outlook (unlike the Europeans and Asians, who subjugated everyone to themselves)

      Well yes...
      CAN you give an example of VOLUNTARY (!) Accession to the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Warsaw Treaty, CMEA?
      Without the "carrot and stick"? by the inspiration of the soul and the behest of the heart?
      17,18,19 republic of the USSR?
      Huh?

      fall of the Berlin Wall? GDR and Germany * \?
      Quote: Vasya
      . This can be determined by language.

      Yes you?
      You will be surprised .. PROVEN SCIENTIFIC: English and US languages ​​have one root, one origin, and THEY SHARED 6000-6500 years ago (or Before NE forgotten)
      Quote: Vasya
      Russians are a public and fair people (

      tell it in the Caucasus, they remember General Ermolov
      Quote: Vasya
      Russian is a state of mind.

      I am Russian, but I don’t know in what generation, what kind of state of mind .... I don’t know
      Let's just "God's chosen people" we are .. And all the rest are not spiritual, mercantile, spiteful, stupid, and so on.
      Why be shy, a bit left: racial attributes have a decisive influence on abilities, intelligence, morality, behavioral characteristics and character traits of an individual human being, and not of a society or social group
  • kind
    kind 6 December 2013 16: 40
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    It turns out that there can be nothing surprising in this if the assurances come from representatives of a country for which distortion of the truth and theft is the norm.

    I agree with Esaul. Wherever the Americans come to "restore order", there remains devastation, human grief and uncertainty. Sher Khan (USA) has no friends, and jackals (Israel, Qatar, Saudis) will soon betray him.
    Gradually, the world will come to understand that Russia is not an enemy to anyone, unlike the colonial manners of the Anglo-Saxons. After all, all world instability is generated by them.
    The US road to hell is paved with "good" intentions.
  • postman
    postman 6 December 2013 21: 41
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    Quote: Esaul
    That is the principle of theft at the state level, built into the foundation.

    Yesaul, and here it is:

    In local news, the USA is gaining momentum another scandal. US authorities accuse 49 Russian diplomats and their families of fraud with health insurance. Almost all cases were related to childbirth.
    According to the FBI, which is conducting an investigation, the amount of damage is 1,5 million US dollars.

    The circuit has been operating since 2004. Of the 63 births of families of Russian diplomats, 58 were paid for by local Medicaid insurance, toIt is designed for the poor and, in principle, has nothing to do with Russian diplomats who are here in special status. But Americans do not check the status of parents because any child born in the United States automatically receives American citizenship and accordingly has the right to insurance. Anyone except the children of diplomats. The second parameter is income. If it is above a certain amount, then Medicaid will not be able to get.

    According to the FBI, some when filling out questionnaires pretended to be single mothers and indicated that the husband was not really a husband, but a brother. Others indicated lower amounts of income than it actually was, providing documents for confirmation signed by the officials of the diplomatic mission for confirmation. At the same time, Americans tracked transactions on their credit cards issued by American banks. When applying for a card, diplomats indicated a completely different income. Luxury items were bought on cards, limos and helicopter rides were rented. The FBI press release with specific examples and amounts can be found here.
    http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2013/manhattan-u.s.-attorney-and-fbi-a
    ssistant-director-in-charge-announce-health-care-fraud-charges-against-current-a
    nd-former-russian-diplomats-and-their-spouses

    You can get up to 10 years in prison for such fraud in the USA.but diplomats have immunity and the maximum that awaits them is expulsion from the country. In addition, most are no longer working in the United States. Of the persons involved in the case, only 11 people are currently in the territory.

    Many of the Russian diplomats, by the way, have very non-salary salaries, even by local standards. They do not pay taxes. Plus government housing, transportation, etc. Knowing the Russian realities, I can assume that there are explanations for everything, including spending on helicopters and expensive jewelry. I don’t understand one thing. They are all under surveillance. You can’t get so stupid. It is after this that they are recruited by foreign intelligence. And where are the employees of the Russian special services who must ensure that this does not happen? Some level of the factory, where the head of the department certifies the subordinate income certificate for an American visa. Write Stotysh Petrovich. The Americans, anyway, will not check.

    By the way, the residents of Brighton are most famous for health insurance fraud in New York. They are constantly caught and planted here, but this is ineradicable. For some of them, it is considered the norm to live in your own house, drive an S-class Mercedes and sit on Medicaid like the poor. There are special people who draw up all the necessary paperwork for money. It turns out that the diplomats did not go far from them. All this is sad.

    ===================================
    Is it: theft? if so what?
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 6 December 2013 23: 29
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      Quote: Postman
      Is it: theft? if so what?
      - mentality! There is nothing you can do. Merce and your own home - these are things for positioning yourself, your loved ones, very simple - show off, you need to spend money on them, this is a must. Medicaid - it’s hard to spend crazy loot on what has always been FREE! Do you know that in the USSR it was FREE? I would not be surprised if, despite the fact that a Brighton resident drives a Merce and lives with his house, he also gives his children to some school for poor citizens. Guess why? This is from the Soviet times - the Polish wall, clothing Czech body shirt + adidas sneakers, Finnish faience, but at the same time absolutely free and good self-service + good FREE education system + good low-cost vacation packages around the union. The shines will rush to this, and they beat him for it! They beat ruthlessly, trying to make him some smelly Anglo-Saxon! am am Return to the Russian person HIS HOMELAND - and these crimes will not be!
      Yesterday, on one of the branches, even liberoids from the HSE admitted that a return to a planned economy would be an effective step in the current economic situation in Russia. Only immediately they made a reservation - "but this is impossible!" Why is it impossible? They didn't explain. Because the Russians are not going to return their homeland! And they are bad at living in a foreign world with other people's morals. One thing remains - to recognize them as it is, well, in short, to extermination. And my conscience is clear - we honestly tried, and they all the time strive to get medical insurance and teach children for free. Into their furnace. Buchenwald did not finish his job at the time.
      Damn, INSERT YOUR MARKET ECONOMY WITH YOUR INSURANCE AND PAYMENT EDUCATION THERE, WHERE THE DOCTOR EVEN RECTAL CANDLES DO NOT DECIDE TO POP !!!! am am am FUCK CIVILIZERS !!!!
      Postman, this is not for you. But you read and understood. Stop being ashamed of yours. Why, with what fright should we live by their laws? I agree, on Brighton Beach - yes! But in their own land, they need their own laws. And for this we need a homeland that was stolen.
      1. postman
        postman 7 December 2013 01: 24
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        Quote: aksakal
        I would not be surprised if, despite the fact that a Brighton resident drives a Merce and lives with his house, he also gives his children to some school for poor citizens.

        I don't give a damn about ASUELANTEN from Brighton !! SPEECH ON RUSSIAN DIPLOMATS
        COMPARE: Rezanov Nikolay Petrovich, Griboedov Alexander Sergeevich, Gorchakov Alexander Mikhailovich, Gromyko Andrey Andreevich and Romanov Sergey Mikhailovich and etc. etc.?
        And these feces from the Russian Foreign Ministry?
        Plya, even the screensaver urohodes could not come up with their own, licked:


        Find 3 and differences?

        BUT! But the money they commune, without a CONSIDERATION OF CONSCIENCE
        Quote: aksakal
        Guess why?

        Do not write nonsense:
        - the case of the director of the Eliseevsky grocery store
        - Underground millionaires: the whole truth about private business in the USSR
        - THEFT OF GOLD in the USSR (Report of the Main Directorate of BHSS)
        - The fur mafia of the USSR (Dunaev, Zhaton, Snobkov, Epelheim and about 500 people involved in the fur mafia) DO I NEED TO CONTINUE?
        Quote: aksakal
        The shines will rush to this, and they beat him for it!

        Can he (Russian) strive for sausage? What happened to the USSR?
        I DISAPPOINT:
        GOST 23670-79 Cooked sausages, sausages and sausages, meat breads.
        Specifications (as Amended by N 1-6)

        1 = As part of sausages according to GOST, we see such wonderful things as frozen buffalo, yak meat (up to 100% replacement is acceptable !!), processed by-products (beef and pork tongues and brains); food plasma (serum) of blood, protein stabilizer (up to 5%), bone digestion, potato starch and wheat flour.

        Protein stabilizer, for reference, is made from pork skin or veins and tendons obtained by boning and trimming beef and pork, as well as beef lips. That is, roughly speaking, these are ground boiled skins and tendons.

        2. = with regard to chemicals (all kinds of preservatives, emulsifiers, etc.) - in GOST everything with this is also absolutely normal: sodium tripolyphosphate, sodium phosphate monosubstituted 2-water, sodium pyrophosphate trisubstituted. As well as ascorbic acid, sodium nitrite, sorbitol and xylitol.

        Quote: aksakal
        Stop being ashamed of your

        YES?
        For example, I am ashamed of it:
        Speech by Patriarch Kirill in the main building of Moscow State University on the Sparrow Hills on the day His Holiness is awarded the title of Honorary Doctor of Moscow State University. In his speech, His Holiness reminded the students and teachers of Moscow State University of the words of the Apostle Paul: “Opposing authority opposes God's institution” and urged not to forget, carried away by the sciences, to pray "for all the rulers, in order to lead us a quiet and peaceful life in all piety and purity."

        =
        Pah
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 7 December 2013 02: 03
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          Quote: Postman
          1 = As part of sausages according to GOST, we see such wonderful things as frozen buffalo, yak meat (up to 100% replacement is acceptable !!), processed by-products (beef and pork tongues and brains); food plasma (serum) of blood, protein stabilizer (up to 5%), bone digestion, potato starch and wheat flour.

          - I agree, it’s better now. GMOs with E456 stabilizers are much better and more useful. But I somehow prefer Soviet sausage, can I?
          Quote: Postman
          the case of the director of the Eliseevsky grocery store
          - Underground millionaires: the whole truth about private business in the USSR
          - THEFT OF GOLD in the USSR (Report of the Main Directorate of BHSS)
          - The fur mafia of the USSR (Dunaev, Zhaton, Snobkov, Epelheim and about 500 people involved in the fur mafia) DO I NEED TO CONTINUE?
          - something a postman, rather small compared to the same Chubais and Co. Continue, you can even tighten up the doctors' case, but you won't even surpass Berezovsky alone in total, for a bet? And this is without taking into account the "Mokrushnichestvo", which was still behind Berezovsky, but behind the "mechanics" - but they were shaking only from their business with furs, which was already drawn through the OBKHSS, they lacked "killer" specialists. I’m not idealizing, I’ll even give you a hint - why didn’t you improve the cotton business with Gdlyan and Ivanov? Here, at least the amount somehow still pulls on "to compete with Berezovsky, but the rest is not impressive, not impressive. Neither the scale, nor the ingenuity of the schemes. I wonder if I posted the Promised Land to the Russians? No, I kind of posted" return the USSR " Homeland. The USSR with all its shortcomings and sores, but with all its pluses. You can not return there if you don’t like, what is the problem? You can drive a dead Uzbek car and buy the most expensive insurance. It also has its own logic. this means health is more expensive, and a car is just iron. ”I didn’t admire the fact that a Soviet person liked to ponte a new wall or a Czech chandelier, but at the same time free medicine was a matter of course for him. You may not like it, your right. This can be called “Sovkom.” There is no need to re-educate it, return the USSR to him, and that's the end of it.
          Well, if the Apostle Paul said this, you’ll erase the words from the song laughing Your saints themselves have elevated saints for these words, who is to blame for you?
          And if it’s absolutely wise to approach, then any power is better than even the best anarchy. We have been convinced of this right more than once in these three years on this site. Recall Amanita?
          Quote: Postman
          “Opposing authority opposes God's institution”

          - Well, the children of power opposed in the person of Amanita, well, frolic, well, they put a knife in his ass a little and then put it on public display in the refrigerator. I think everything is fine in Libya? Maybe then advise the Russians to follow the Libyan example? And what? But not ashamed. In a successful scenario, you can drink champagne, because whoever does not risk, he does not drink champagne. True, more often the wise drink vodka on the graves of those who wanted to drink champagne. drinks There vodka, not champagne, I hope, agree?
          1. postman
            postman 7 December 2013 02: 26
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            Quote: aksakal
            I agree, it’s better now. GMO with stabilizers E456 n

            A deep admirer of S. Tarmashev ..... but about GMOs, I don’t really share it.
            BUT!
            where is it now? NOW, IT'S REALITY, there is an opportunity to feed .. How much is there? 8 individuals, boiled sausage-forward
            GOST and sausage, cited as a refutation of the "sweet" and righteous life in the USSR

            Quote: aksakal
            something postman, small compared to the same Chubaisim and Co.

            STOP!!! For me, Chubais-P *** P (oh appolon again banned belay ), PotaninH and ProkhorovH, as businessmen and economists = 0 !!! (I put X, otherwise I will attract)
            I’m talking about this: you talked about what the Russian was striving for (he had everything in the USSR for free) ... I REFUTED, THEN and then. Moreover, the director of the bargaining and hard worker is the same.
            read Leonid Brezhnev, his thought is short: " And what to do? and I stole, and they steal ... we have such a man, a new essence of his mother is Homo soveticus "

            Quote: aksakal
            , give him back the USSR, and it’s the end.

            Well, to me personally, to rotate the children of my USSR (as it was), I don’t need to FIG, although I AM DISSATISFIED WITH THE TODAY'S SITUATION.
            I don’t know about you, but I 1966, remember, love, grieve, but not naaaado

            Quote: aksakal
            than even the best anarchy

            1.Read Prince Kropotkin ... entertainingly
            2. What about this? (This is not me, I’m saying a stupid deer, I’m writing, this is a man of RESPECT writing / speaking)

            Quote: aksakal
            I think everything is fine in Libya?

            No, and I don't believe in fairy tales about how it was "KHARASHO".
            HERE grandfather Lyonin is right:
            "The upper classes don't want, the lower classes can't"

            Quote: aksakal
            Maybe then you advise the Russians to follow the Libyan example?

            WHAT FOR? I always recommend children to "live with their own head"
            Why do we need a monkey "White House", "President", "Speaker", etc.
            Yes, even in my city almamater: "Governor of St. Petersburg" - what nonsense
            (the highest government official in the province .... and KhGubernia then Khde ?, and Moscow then the mayor in front of him Hto-bshzidik?)