India dissatisfied with participation in the creation of the 5 generation fighter

India has expressed its dissatisfaction with the low level of its participation in the joint Russian-Indian program to create the X-NUMX FGFA generation fighter (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft).

Indian Defense Minister Akaparambil Anthony during his visit to Moscow said that India’s share in the design and production of the 5 fighter generation, which is currently at the prototype level, should be 50 percent. This was announced by the American weekly “Defense News” with reference to the statement of the Indian Ministry of Defense, which pays special attention to the development of this program, as well as to the Russian-Indian project to create a multi-purpose transport aircraft, considering them quite important.

Currently, India's share in the development of the 5th generation fighter is 15 percent. According to representatives of the Russian Foreign Ministry, this is due to the limited Indian capabilities in the development of the military aviation and the general level of development of the country's industry. It is assumed that as Indian capabilities grow, the country's share in the program for creating a new fighter will increase.

In 2007, Russia and India signed an agreement to jointly develop an 5 generation fighter that will be used in the air forces of both countries. In December, Rosoboronexport, Sukhoi, and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), an Indian aircraft manufacturing company, signed a preliminary contract worth $ 2010 million. It is expected that the total amount of the final agreement on the joint development of the aircraft will exceed 295 billion dollars. This transaction is not yet concluded.

According to the Russian side, the delay in signing the final contract will have a small effect on the pace of development of the program. Currently, 5 flying prototypes of a promising aviation front-line aviation complex (PAK FA), also known as an 5-generation fighter, have been created.

The Indian Ministry of Defense, by contrast, stated that the agreement would probably be signed after the change of leadership of the country as a result of elections to be held at the beginning of 2014. The new leadership of India was committed to all international obligations. At the same time, representatives of the military circles of this country noted, much will depend on the country's share in this project.

Currently, it is assumed that the Indian Air Force will order over 200 5-generation two-engine 50 fighters, based on the Sukhoi T-XNUMX (PAK FA) aircraft and which will meet the requirements of this country's air force.

The Indian Air Force official said that the prototype of the Russian 5 generation aircraft flew this year, but emphasized that India’s participation in the development of the project is minimal. The unobtrusive 5 generation fighter with 30 t mass will be a multi-purpose aircraft with advanced avionics, high-tech weapons and the most advanced electronics.

The commissioning of the final version of this aircraft was postponed from 2020 to at least 2022, according to representatives of the Indian Air Force. India hoped to get three versions of the aircraft in the 2014, 2017 and 2019, and the final version of the 5 generation fighter was supposed to go into service in 2020.

According to Indian analysts, India should not miss the opportunity to participate in high-tech projects like the one mentioned above.

Comments

[svp67]

India expressed its dissatisfaction with the low level of its participation in the joint Russian-Indian program to create a 5th generation fighter FGFA

The problem of course needs to be solved, but something obviously they are in a hurry. After all, it is clear that until there is a T50, and this project will not go anywhere ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Indian Defense Minister Akaparambil Anthony during his visit to Moscow said that India’s share in the development and production of the 5 generation fighter, which is currently at the prototype level, should be 50 percent.
And India has the technology, at least 5 percent, to create it?
Do not like it, to hell with the beach.

[viruskvartirus]

For that, they have money, and you must agree that it is equally important.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: viruskvartirus

For that, they have money, and you must agree that it is equally important.

And Russia has no money Although considering that you from Ukraine sincerely understand your koment

[dimjet]

No need for money. Many in the east of Ukraine are proud of achievements in Russia. Just cooperation speeds up the development process.

[Stiletto]

Quote: viruskvartirus

For that, they have money, and you must agree that it is equally important.

Yeah, is there money ?! BUT! That's it! India is unhappy that it gives little money to create the T-50. So this is just amazing! It is impossible, it is impossible to refuse the Indian comrades!

[Jurkovs]

We are not talking about money, but about the admission of Indian corporations to the development of the aircraft, which means access to documentation and the ability to steal technology before the order for aircraft is paid. All Indians want is for us to share information with them. But: in the morning money, in the evening chairs.

[Scoun]

Quote: Stiletto

It is impossible, it is impossible to refuse the Indian comrades!

Exactly! ))) financially bring their share to 50% and give them for "development" the color of the upholstery of the chair, font size and color of marking of parts, but with a mandatory requirement, as a result, for each item, put 20 options for consideration, otherwise they will start to insert the canary color and font 2-ku)))
ahhh and another rollback from them to get it)))

[Ivan.]

Quote: Stiletto

India is unhappy that it gives little money to create a T-50. So this is just amazing! It is impossible, it is impossible to refuse the Indian comrades!

It is really incomprehensible, the main difficulty in creating an airplane is not money at all, it is a matter of limited time, the absence of a leading position in some areas that can be filled in India, the absence of a sufficient number of specialists, etc. In general, I think the desired real (rather than financial) participation of India in the project is no more than 15%. If they give the remaining interest with money, then they will profit on them - why borrow if you have money, because you have to return it with interest.

[AVV]

And India does not want to take part in printing money, but in the development of the aircraft by 50% !!! Well, they would have set tasks for them in the development of any units, but for failure to complete the task on time a greater fine !!! They do not want to get a license for production of a finished copy, but they themselves want to participate in the design of the U-2, but their U-2 !!! And the flag is in their hands !!!

[avt]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And India has the technology, at least 5 percent, to create it?
Do not like it, to hell with the beach.

Yes, they suddenly forgot something, well, so we need to make their new chant learn - "Hari will crack."

Quote: viruskvartirus

They have money for that,

We’ll do an airplane, even if they’re buying, they can even collect from it, like MiGs.

[clidon]

From the beach clutching 10 billion dollars in a suitcase? We are throwing.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And India has the technology, at least 5 percent, to create it?

But India has the ancient technology of cuts and kickbacks, which they want to use on this order. Do not forget the old slogan - it is not victory that matters, but participation

[Skiff]

Well, yes, they have not been able to collect their tank and fighter for 20 years by the whole world, and here 50% , where do they come from, gentlemen the Indians are getting dark, they want to have a technological backlog for free, which we have been creating for decades. And not everything is decided by money.

[avt]

Quote: Skiff

Well, yes, they have not been able to collect their tank and fighter for 20 years by the whole world

So what ,

Quote: Skiff

and here 50% belay, where do they come from, gentlemen Hindus are dark,

And they keep the oral tradition of the secret technology of flying vimanavas. They want to share it, but the northern barbarians persist in their ignorance and stubbornly build the T-50

[maxvet]

Quote: avt

And they keep the oral tradition of the secret technology of flying vimanavas.

they need to send our specialist for vimans-Prokopenko, let each other's brain

[Atlas]

Prokopenko will be able to wash them in))))) He also can not undo it ..

[Nick]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And India has the technology, at least 5 percent, to create it?

In some respects, India is at a very high level. In avionics, for example ... Yes, I bought the technology from the French, but it produces it on my own.
By the way, on modern aircraft, avionics is up to 35% of the cost

[queen]

The fact that they want it is the success of the T-50. Hindus have become programmers, so it has something that we do not need to know)

[APES]

Quote: regin

then it has something we don’t need to know)

and to Hindus all the more

[clidon]

You might think that before the Indians were altruists.

[queen]

And I think that they liked the coloring of the fifth ... beautiful same)

[alexng]

Rumor has it that an air-to-air missile with a built-in radar with AFAR is already being tested for him, and this is no longer "khury-muhry".

[queen]

Quote: alexneg

Radar station with AFAR, and this is no longer "khury-muhry".

Guys, what he has should not be PR. We are not such a poor country. It would be better if there was a surprise for them in a collision, and let them break their heads.

[viruskvartirus]

AFAR of such dimensions? It is doubtful here AFAR on know-how aircraft, you can still believe that on long-range missiles for the C-400.

"In June 2005, the Moscow Research Institute" Agat "demonstrated a prototype of an active radar homing head, which claims to be the smallest in the world." http://www.siagat.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view = article & id = 81:
smiaugust05 & catid = 7: smi & Itemid = 21

[tilovaykrisa]

This refers to a rocket with a range of 400km? If so, then this is no longer Khuhra Muhra, but a tram pam pam directly.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: tilovaykrisa

This refers to a rocket with a range of 400km? If so, then this is no longer Khuhra Muhra, but a tram pam pam directly.

They promise, but the promised 3 of the year is expected.
"The T-50 has a large internal weapons compartment. It can house up to eight R-77 air combat missiles or two huge guided bombs weighing 1500 kg."
The fighter is capable of carrying two ultra-long-range missiles developed by the Novator Bureau on external sling. With these T-50 missiles capable of destroying aircraft, such as AWACS, at a range of up to 400 km "... http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/T-50.html

[Nayhas]

Quote: alexneg

Rumor has it that an air-to-air missile with a built-in radar with AFAR is already being tested for him, and this is no longer "khury-muhry".

Think what you write. AFAR in an air-to-air rocket? In case of a miss, will the missile be returned to the carrier?

[iSpoiler]

Yeah, she’ll fly back, dock with the plane, refuel and fly to shoot down again ..))))
Do you even think Cho write .... !!!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: alexneg

Rumor has it that an air-to-air missile with a built-in radar with AFAR is already being tested for him, and this is no longer "khury-muhry".

Right! This is already something worthwhile, and very expensive, but they say it's worth it.
"K-77M air-to-air missile for the front-line fighter, the T-50 will receive an advanced targeting system. Homing missiles with an antenna based on a digital active phased array will guarantee to hit an airplane or missile from the first launch. The new radar will provide an instant response to a sudden maneuver of a missile target, and will also increase compatibility with digital systems of fifth-generation fighters.
The advanced missile homing system will be developed by the Detal design bureau of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation ...
The main advantage of the K-77M missile will be to keep the target and adjust to its maneuvers. Due to the large number of radiating elements of the lattice, the locator receives more accurate information about the position of the enemy, processing the signal from each cell.
This radar element is usually installed on aircraft, including the T-50, and air defense systems. Despite the development of technology and the constant decrease in production costs, phased arrays remain expensive locators, which casts doubt on the feasibility of their single use in missiles. Nevertheless, getting such a missile on an enemy aircraft will pay back many times both production and possible damage ...
According to the plans of UPKB Detal, the start of production will begin no earlier than February 2015 ".
http://izvestia.ru/news/561643#ixzz2mRaPhFrv

[Lyapis]

The coloring, of course, is valid, but the Indians will probably have this:

[queen]

Quote: regin

but the Indians will probably have this

you + ... in the parades is possible ... but as I wrote above ... they became pragmatists ...

[Igor39]

More flowers are hung even

[maxvet]

Quote: Lyapis

The coloring, of course, is valid, but the Indians will probably have this:

looking at the tank is scary to think what they will do with the plane

[Cherdak]

And on top they are even funnier

[Revolver]

Quote: Cherdak

And on top they are even funnier

And what's on top, does the vertical-draft fan follow the F-35 model in the STOVL variant?

[Fitter65]

No, it’s their national emblem, the color of the flag was timed to some anniversary. The usual ostentatious coloring.

[Cherdak]

50-5 arrived in Zhukovsky

[Fitter65]

And I was the first in the first flight over Komsomolsk (at the time of entering the Dzemgi airfield), then I also accidentally saw the third and fourth samples in the same place. An indescribable feeling, although the flight of any aircraft is a miracle.

[Russ69]

Quote: svp67

After all, it is clear that until there is a T50, and this project will not go anywhere ...

Hindus, they just want to squeeze out more technology ...

[Airman]

Quote: Russ69

Quote: svp67

After all, it is clear that until there is a T50, and this project will not go anywhere ...

Hindus, they just want to squeeze out more technology ...

For free. It is good that the Chinese were not invited to this project.

[chunga-changa]

Why for free? Half their money. They have a right.

[Airman]

Quote: chunga-changa

Why for free? Half their money. They have a right.

You cannot buy scientific potential with money, if they (the Indians) had it, they would have created it themselves, but "would" interfere.

[queen]

Quote: Povshnik

if he had them (Indians) was

When there will be 1 billion Slavs, then India will become a native

[chunga-changa]

Scientific potential remains potential without money. Like, oh, if we had the money, then we would, mind the "would" and here rules.

[complete zero]

plus as it is right if yes, as it were, grandmother would be a grandfather

[Deniska]

Partly true. But it’s one thing when they allocate money for development in order to then buy the latest model of equipment, and another thing is to give a day and get the technology. !!!!! Think what’s best for us.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: chunga-changa

Why for free? Half their money. They have a right

Previously, there was information that Indians would finance the project and the avionics software. There wasn’t any other in the press. But then the Indians suddenly made friends with the Yankees against the PRC. Therefore, apparently, very secrets are needed ... Although they obviously do not have the capabilities to design the 4 + and 5 generation fighters, as there are no developments at the level of the Russian Federation (USA).

[Cherdak]

Quote: Povshnik

It is good that the Chinese were not invited to this project.

Then it would certainly be stuck on the excursion project, since the Indians are still casting out in mock-ups

[Migari]

That's for sure, you still need to take into account the ratio of contribution to the latest technology and development, and not everyone can share it.

[chunga-changa]

Joint development is not from a good life. If the state finances 100% of the development of the SU-50 then the Indians would not have to turn to. And so, you will begin to clamp down on the most important technologies, next time they will say - buoy you and not money, but the state will say, an invisible hand is around, spin yourself, there is no money. The result, all lollipops, and the money is floating to those who are trickier ..

[tilovaykrisa]

Have seen enough of how China is with us, and not only the technology has been pressed free then.

[typhoon7]

I agree. Avionics, engines, that's most likely what they are torn to.

[Cherdak]

Quote: Russ69

scared to think what they will do with the plane

Let Amers learn how to bring to absurdity

[ZU-23]

Indians don’t be upset, we will teach you. The main thing is to behave in a friendly manner and do not betray friends, it seems as long as you do it.

[alekseinew]

yes, of course, they are very heavily crouched on American weapons, and we have lost a lot in recent years, so what are they friends, partners with a stretch, I would say so

[Pesnyadv]

Quote: ZU-23

Indians don’t be upset, we will teach you. The main thing is to behave in a friendly manner and do not betray friends, it seems as long as you do it.

The desire of India is understandable and understandable.
It’s kind to look into their eyes and kindly ask how they imagine it 50 to 50?
How equal is the contribution of the parties to these developments?

[queen]

Quote: PesnyaDV

How equal is the contribution of the parties to these developments?

And how many states have invested in the Fu-35? They all say anyway ... but what's the point? Right ... who needs to be cut ... building a mediocre fighter is not difficult, but building it is better is difficult ... something like this Simonov said.

[avant-garde]

Quote: regin

And how many states have invested in the Fu-35?

oh by the way, and where are the hamsters who idolize this very FU-35, there are so many hawks, there’s already a phrase:
The commissioning of the final version of this aircraft was postponed from 2020 to at least 2022.

[series]

Quote: PesnyaDV

It’s kind to look into their eyes and kindly ask how they imagine it 50 to 50?
How equal is the contribution of the parties to these developments?

The way it is ! "fifty-fifty" ...
After all, most of the time the plane spends not in the air but on the ground!
We have designed "invisibility" for radars in the air, and the Indians must design camouflage mats to cover the plane on the ground "from the evil eye" ... This is their worthy contribution to military-technical cooperation!
PS "Om mane padme hum!"

[ZU-23]

Ha, I also can’t imagine, but they did BrahMos, maybe our engines and aerodynamics on their part.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

in India, by the way, its own Silicon Valley is not weak, so it’s possible to work with them in terms of elemental base.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

in India, by the way, its own Silicon Valley is not weak, so it’s possible to work with them in terms of elemental base.

Yes, most likely we have a calculation for this, since Indians annually sell software for 1 billion dollars.

[Cherdak]

Quote: PesnyaDV

How equal is the contribution of the parties to these developments?

Go to http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/military-aviation/8276-sukhoi-pak-fa-fgfa-fif
th-generation-fighter-aircraft-206.html - Indians there are not childishly chopped with the involvement of Russians and Ukrainians. Sincerely so. Information creeps across your screech

[Mirgip]

An interesting forum, Hindus have time to fight both the Chinese and the Americans - thanks for the reference, it’s extremely funny :)

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: PesnyaDV

how do they imagine it 50 to 50?

To be honest ?, then 50-50, when our brains and production base are ours, and the money for everything is everything, completely theirs, then we could talk about parity in the division of the final product and then, with reservations on the regime of secrecy and legal registration of risks and insurance on the leak of technological and other information through the fault of the partner. Any other proportions in the project should provide our side with priority conditions in sharing profits and disposing of a joint final product. From so I think.

[Wiruz]

But how many India wants? At first, she refused to participate in the development of the PAK FA, then she wanted to buy the Raptors from the USA, then, sent by the Americans to hell, she again expressed interest in the PAK FA. Now here comes the saying that they do everything without us but for our money.

[queen]

Quote: Wiruz

But how many India wants?

with a real threat, it will be zero

[clidon]

India did not abandon the development of the PAK FA, and it did not deal with the Raptors. Delhi offered to join the F-35 program, which the Indians refused.

[Wiruz]

Well, two options - either you are mistaken, or Wikipedia

[clidon]

You read how it is written on Wikipedia. If my memory doesn’t betray me at all, there is something like this presentation style:
Poghosyan, picking with a fork, at dinner at the embassy offers the Hindus a PAK FA (we have a good plane here), to which they say, "We don't have too many engines." From which Poghosyan draws the conclusions "They obviously want to buy the Raptor (this despite the fact that they do not sell it to anyone at all) or the F-2 (which, by the way, was actually offered to the Indians, but did not agree on the volume of transferred technologies)!"
And then the Indians broke off and ran to us. ) If you had exactly this information from Wikipedia, then yes, there is nonsense written there.

[slovak007]

Pure water industrial espionage. The same as the Chinese spent from -95 to 2005. At our university, they scanned all the diplomas, manuals, dissertations, books, patents, xeril, bought ...

[Algor73]

What does industrial espionage have to do with it? India pays money, 50%, and is fully entitled to 50% of the development. But this is theoretical. It's just that India was crushed by the "toad", it does not want to sponsor the development of a foreign country's industry. Sooner or later, but India will follow the Chinese version of development, it will stop simply buying equipment, it will buy it with the possibility of production in the future.

[Pimply]

Quote: Algor73

Sooner or later, but India will follow the Chinese version of development, it will stop just buying equipment, it will buy it with the possibility of production in the future at home.

She goes

[Deniska]

Nooo ... She is entitled to a 50% return on future contracts, And this is in the best case !!!! And TECHNOLOGIES is a national secret !!!

[Ihrek]

At the expense of 50%, they certainly went too far. And the question is why they remembered it now. The answer is obvious - because the project can be said to have taken place, the success of which exceeded all expectations. I believe the share of participation should remain at the level previously agreed upon.

[fisherman]

it remains only to bring this to their attention, but so that they are not very offended :)

[Wiruz]

Do not go too far, exactly 50%. But only in the export model PAK FA - FGFA, and those T-50s that are already flying and those that are still flying are purely a Russian development.

[Pimply]

Quote: Jamal

At the expense of 50%, they certainly went too far. And the question is why they remembered it now. The answer is obvious - because the project can be said to have taken place, the success of which exceeded all expectations. I believe the share of participation should remain at the level previously agreed upon.

Previously agreed and was - 50.

[complete zero]

I don’t know much (but it’s still interesting to learn from people who know aviation)
as for ICE, airframe, aerodynamics, hydraulic systems - Russia is an advanced power
Well, what about avionics? -As far as I know, "here we are not ice"? - and apparently cooperation with India, which is progressing in electronics, is this a real possibility of creating (LA) the fifth generation? -Well, not with Israel or the States to create it) )), so are the Indians wrong with their claims, especially since he also finances this project?

[Bober]

I agree. But cooperation in aviation is a serious level and we must immediately understand on the shore. If we invest so together, it should only be between us and no one else. And this is for a long time. This is a good counterweight against the Chinese, and indeed against the rest. Copying is a dead end. There is no way for the Chinese to make a revolution. With the Indians it is necessary to continue. They are not geopolitical opponents, we can be friends and we are interested in strong India.

[complete zero]

I don’t understand just one thing, why not cooperate with the Chinese (and only with them) but cooperate with the Indians? PS-Indians are also selling something to someone like the Chinese with the Malaysians and so on ... THE WORLD has long been integrated here in this and everyone is stealing from each other

[rugor]

But ho ho, not ho ho?

[Alex 241]

Brothers and on our street a dump truck with gingerbread rolls over, the news just told: Serdyukov went for interrogation as a suspect.

[tomas.09]

According to the article on negligence? Horror !!!!

[atalef]

Quote: Alex 241

Brothers and on our street a dump truck with gingerbread rolls over, the news just told: Serdyukov went for interrogation as a suspect.

Sasha hello !!!
Serdyukov will be imprisoned. you have no doubt since Putin understands that the tension among the people is such that if you do not give them a goat (or rather, judging by the size of the hippo) scapegoats, the situation will get out of control. Yes, there is still Ukraine, and even if God forbid we fly at the Olympics --- no one knows what will end. You look at the comments in Wo, how they have changed in relation to GDP over 2 years, and this is a site where, on GDP, well, just prayed and pray. Do you think the relevant services do not calculate the mood in society? Therefore, Serdyukov will sit down, according to an easy article. not for long, will be quickly amnestied due to health-threatening weight loss --- sometimes the king needs to throw a crowd of bones --- to calm down
So it will be Serdyukov’s bones.

[Alex 241]

Hi Sasha, refused to testify, does not plead guilty. They said in the UK that they will be charged in the near future.

[atalef]

Quote: Alex 241

Hi Sasha, refused to testify, does not plead guilty. They said in the UK that they will be charged in the near future.

Who doubted, the process (by the way) you will see - it won’t be long, I would put it in some degree dependent on success at the Olympics (an independent court will certainly take into account the mood in society, and the GDP will always say that the court and only the court determine the measure of guilt) so that there is some conflict of interest (in my opinion 0 Successful performance is a shorter time. Therefore, now you will hardly find bigger fans than Serdyukov and Vasiliev
Therefore, what to do? To root for the Olympics is to shorten Serdyukov’s term.
Here, without a bubble, you can’t get it right.

[Botanologist]

Quote: atalef

Here, without a bubble, you can’t get it right.

I want to become a bubble.
In addition, with urine.

[vadson]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Alex 241

Hi Sasha, refused to testify, does not plead guilty. They said in the UK that they will be charged in the near future.

Who doubted, the process (by the way) you will see - it won’t be long, I would put it in some degree dependent on success at the Olympics (an independent court will certainly take into account the mood in society, and the GDP will always say that the court and only the court determine the measure of guilt) so that there is some conflict of interest (in my opinion 0 Successful performance is a shorter time. Therefore, now you will hardly find bigger fans than Serdyukov and Vasiliev
Therefore, what to do? To root for the Olympics is to shorten Serdyukov’s term.
Here, without a bubble, you can’t get it right.

that is, if the Russians at the Olympics in hockey, etc. .. ec heh ... then they will put Sardyukov? I have a friend, a hockey player, he knows Datsyuk, we can ask through him that our team doesn’t go out on the ice at all and for a stool against the background of popular unrest, they will return the death penalty

[queen]

Quote: atalef

sometimes the king needs to throw bones to the crowd --- to calm down

not now ... or people b.

[avant-garde]

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree according to which the anti-corruption department is being created in the Kremlin administration, it was headed by Oleg Bad - smiled pinned or something GDP

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/society/20131203/981504899.html#ixzz2mOuFItv1
I know that this topic is an addition to the post about perdyukov

[atalef]

Quote: avant-garde

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree according to which the Kremlin’s anti-corruption department is being created in the Kremlin’s administration, it was headed by Oleg Plohoy - the GDP is making fun of it

And if it works badly, they’ll fire with words
Come From Here - Bad You

[pensioner]

Quote: Alex 241

Brothers and on our street a dump truck with gingerbread rolls over, the news just told: Serdyukov went for interrogation as a suspect.

It’s already with beer ... At least ...

[Fin]

Indian Defense Minister Akaparambil Anthony during his visit to Moscow said that India’s share in the development and production of the 5 generation fighter, which is currently at the prototype level, should be 50 percent.

Friendship is friendship, but technology is ours. Sorry. Can be allowed to make tires for wheels, paint and hang "Brahmos".

[tomas.09]

What are you talking about, the Indians are not able to exploit equipment, store ammunition, and all the same, give us the 5th generation of aircraft. Everything will rot in their warehouses, airfields, if they have not broken it before during training flights !!!

[Wiruz]

And in general, on the creation of a fifth-generation fighter, it was necessary to cooperate only with those who are looking at the United States and NATO from the bottom - Syria, Venezuela, Belarus for example. Of course, their financial capabilities will be more modest, but they have more confidence. India is still a political mess - it has repeatedly wanted to arm itself with all the best from Russia and the United States. Who knows where tomorrow India will lead. (My humble opinion)

[complete zero]

But what can the Countries listed by you give to create such a machine?

[Saburo]

Syria, Venezuela, Belarus? Or maybe North Korea and some sort of Angola? I remember somewhere else I heard that they were offering in all seriousness to participate in Brazil, but it still went nowhere. It is necessary to cooperate with those who will be good.

[clidon]

Brazilians were offered both the purchase of the Su-35 and participation in the FGFA program. But they have not yet become interested.

[Atlas]

Is there no sense in Belarus?

[queen]

Quote: chunga-changa

with money, we would then, mind you "would" and here rules

there are also effective managers)))) you don’t have to mind the gas and oil much ... so Putin h ,, my great

[user1212]

You do not quite understand correctly. PAK FA is a purely Russian project and nobody will let India into it. But on the basis of this aircraft, a fighter for the Indian Air Force will be developed. But India wants to participate in its development and produce some parts at home.
Quote from Wikipedia:
For export deliveries on the basis of PAK FA, together with India, an export modification of the aircraft is created, which has received the designation FGFA (English) Russian. (Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft - fifth generation fighter).

[Metlik]

There will probably be an assembly of PAK FA under license in India.

[user1212]

This is of little interest to them. They want to produce parts of the aircraft themselves in order to develop their industry and develop production technologies.

[alone]

they need the whole development cycle. and dissatisfaction.

[1c-inform-city]

It’s a little incomprehensible, they want 50% of the technology now or pay 50% and then get the technology .295 lyam is not nearly 50% of the development amount, and even 10 billion probably will not reach 50%.

[Shadowcat]

I'm afraid if India will participate on such conditions, then we will see the T-50 in the series when the 6-8th generation will fly in the sky.

[Sovman]

The problem is that this is not just an airplane, but a complex — the airplane itself, special engines, special avionics, weapons, interaction tactics — it’s called the Frontline Aviation Complex. And you won’t glue it from dollars, though without money you won’t work either. To create such a class of equipment, it is necessary to develop new technologies, but simply sharing technologies is not interesting, exchanging - yes, but on mutually beneficial conditions.

[Sovman]

The problem is that this is not just an airplane, but a complex — the airplane itself, special engines, special avionics, weapons, interaction tactics — it’s called the Frontline Aviation Complex. And you won’t glue it from dollars, though without money you won’t work either. To create such a class of equipment, it is necessary to develop new technologies, but simply sharing technologies is not interesting, exchanging - yes, but on mutually beneficial conditions.

[iConst]

Hindus have long been blackmailed by the fact that they buy only the equipment in the production of which they themselves participate. So it was with the Su-30MKI. The trick is that they get a significant part of the technical documentation.

In fact, the practice is bad, it’s not for nothing that the saying goes: what is known to two is known to a pig ...

[Cherdak]

I offer them 50% to use for advertising purposes. They draw and sing well, and Bollywood is idle for nothing

[Nayhas]

Well, finally, we are working with India on the FGFA aircraft, not the PAK-FA. And if the Indians, paying for 50% of the development, want similar participation, then this is quite legitimate, although here you need to know the terms of the contract. India has repeatedly raised concerns about the work on this project, the price is growing, the terms are postponed, FGFA becomes "Vikramaditsya-2".

[evil hamster]

Well, actually, what can India offer?
- advances in aerodynamics - no
- advances in engine manufacturing - not seen
- maybe there is at least one serial radar of the modern level - is missing
- peaks of materials science have been reached - I have not heard
- Is there a rich aircraft building school and comprehensive experience in the design and large-scale production of aircraft of any complexity - shield?
- Indian coders are senseless and merciless - oh, I'm still natural !!!

The second aspect that we actually need from the FGFA program is that we need to sell these lovely and in every sense wonderful people - the export version of PAK-FA. But they are very ancient and very Aryan people, for this reason theirs is more proudly flies over Everest, and they do not want to buy, but want to develop themselves, as they say, any whim for your money. But there are a couple of points: FGFA - should be unified to the maximum with PAK-FA (in those components that do not harm the defense capability of the Russian Federation), which will give us an actual increase in the seriality of PAK FA, which in turn will positively affect the cost of the latter, which can increase the number of these in the ranks of the Russian Air Force - for which, in fact, all throwing.
Based on the foregoing, it is best for us that the FGFA develops successfully and quickly, knowing the love of our partners for thoughtful and unhurried design, such as with the Arjun tank, whose goal is the process itself and not the result in an hour, let's hope that our side will have enough experience, patience and wisdom, so that, on paper, the participation of the Indian side would be maximum, but in fact minimal.

[Cherdak]

Quote: regin

And I think that they liked the coloring of the fifth ... beautiful same)

No, they have not appreciated this yet - they have paid for their designer.

[Altona]

I generally thought that Indians would only be responsible for programming, control algorithms, well, and so on, they have strong programmers ... In principle, they could give them a glider, you can copy it in any way, as the Chinese are doing now ... If there is no fundamental science in the country, then the country will not move far ... China has grown industrially, but science is probably not all right if they are involved in copying, cloning, compilation ... On the other hand, a modern fighter it’s just the warhead of the strike complex, it needs the appropriate infrastructure and personnel ...

[Volozhanin]

About 3 years ago I read the statement of one of our engineers, where he compared Hindus and Chinese. Literally I don’t remember, but the meaning is: "Show the Chinese a third of the block, he will think of the rest, but show the Indian a whole block, he will never do the same."

[Saburo]

In general, you need to be careful. India pursues a multi-vector policy, there is no particular relation to us there. So at any time, Indians can abandon FGFA in favor of Lightning. The contract has not been signed, everything can be.

[Andrey Ulyanovsky]

Singing and dancing Zoikas can be the contribution of the Indians: "The ultimate overload!" and dance to the monitor!

[Andrey Ulyanovsky]

Singing and dancing Zoikas can be the contribution of the Indians: "The ultimate overload!" and dance to the monitor!

[evil hamster]

then it’s not Zoyka but Ritka

[Cherdak]

Here it is, the real contribution of the Indians

[avg]

Not where the Indians will not get away from us. They understand that they were very lucky with this project, that mattresses are not even allowed on the F-22s. And nowhere else to take, the T-50 is not a spider on the market. The guys just want to take us weak, just like the Chinese with engines. But, times have changed.

[Alex Nick]

Indian comrades want half. And why would it suddenly? Money is money. And thought is another matter. The car is completely ours, and it is possible only to speed things up. My opinion.

[mmmakm]

I don’t know what contracts Russia signed there, but it seems that the Russians did such a miracle that they themselves did not expect. And you must arm yourself first of all with this candy.

[mmmakm]

I don’t know what contracts Russia signed there, but it seems that the Russians did such a miracle that they themselves did not expect. And you must arm yourself first of all with this candy.

[westland]

Let the 5th generation bananas themselves develop horseradish for them, not technology

[Evgeniy667b]

Hindus want to eat fish and sit somewhere. They didn’t reach the hi-tech sector, the beggars are unhappy !!!

[Evgeniy667b]

Hindus want to eat fish and sit somewhere. They didn’t reach the hi-tech sector, the beggars are unhappy !!!

[queen]

Quote: chunga-changa

SU-50

Like a balm ... thanks.

[Sochi]

Interestingly, when they turn their faces from our contracts - is it so normal? They threw us on heavy helicopters ... And then they were right offended that such a candy swims past them ... NOT, in my opinion, working with a partner is possible only when he is honest, and if he begins to cast a shadow over the wattle fence ... nafig, nafig .

[Ross]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Indian Defense Minister Akaparambil Anthony during his visit to Moscow said that India’s share in the development and production of the 5 generation fighter, which is currently at the prototype level, should be 50 percent.
And India has the technology, at least 5 percent, to create it?
Do not like it, to hell with the beach.

The Americans have already proposed with them to develop the 5 generation. Let it be better with us.

[VADEL]

Quote: mmmakm

I don’t know what contracts Russia signed there, but it seems that the Russians did such a miracle that they themselves did not expect. And you must arm yourself first of all with this candy.

Yes, you can see a delicious cake if they even complain that the American got a small piece.