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Will the Kremlin have enough strength to withstand the reassignment of Serdyukov

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Will the Kremlin have enough strength to withstand the reassignment of Serdyukov

Serdyukov was appointed. The people expected Serdyukov to sit in the dock, and they would see him through the cage, and he sat on the bench of the top manager in the largest Russian corporation, which produces weapons.


Serdyukov, who defeated the military structures, as well as the Thieves' Nest in the Ministry of Defense, became a common noun for today's Russian society. Perhaps the evil that he caused to the state is no longer so great, but Serdyukov grew up to the notion of “Serdyukovschiny”, when the people, yearning for justice, were offended by the arbitrariness prevailing in our society, impunity of evil, total theft, monstrous, killing the country, corruption when society all this indignation hung on Serdyukov.

"Serdyukovschina" - a phenomenon much more terrible than Serdyukov. And therefore, by leaving this phenomenon not just alone, but by leaving this phenomenon at the core of today's state power, Putin puts this power and his own reputation at tremendous risk.

Perhaps today Serdyukov partly plays the same role that Rasputin once played, who was close to the royal family. Hate society to Rasputin transformed into a hatred of society to the king, the queen and the entire royal family. And the revolutionary explosion, as well as the monstrous massacre of the sovereign, was partly the result of this accumulated hatred for him. I think that the power, the Kremlin and Putin, having given Serdyukov a new appointment, seems to have an enormous margin of safety. It seems to the authorities that this reserve is inexhaustible, that this reserve does not melt away from such trifles as the reassignment of Serdyukov to new leading roles. Is it so? Will show the future. The future in which huge threats are concealed for Russia. And the rumble of these threats is heard already with the naked ear.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 22 November 2013 11: 29
    129
    The country's leadership did not listen to the signals coming from the people, from military commanders at various levels, from the faculty. There was a systematic destruction of what was created with such labor by the people, fathers and grandfathers. Scientific schools and collectives were destroyed, military facilities, buildings, entire territories were sold and all this was called reform, but in fact it was destruction and the damage from which simply cannot be a real assessment! Why, after this destruction, the new leadership of the Moscow Region begins to restore what could exist, but was destroyed. Money spent on destruction was huge, money to restore even more !!! So what's the point of this reform from Serdyukov and DAM! Answer you can’t hear from them !!! And it’s time to ask with prejudice !!!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 15: 52
      42
      Poor Serdyukov, he probably has come to his senses. Increasingly, I imagine Putin in the image of Themis, blindfolded and with weights. Whoever puts more on the scales is true.
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 22 November 2013 16: 08
        32
        He would give up the spirit, immediately many feel better. But the times are not the same ...
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik 22 November 2013 20: 22
          +5
          this is the only way out for everyone ....
        2. Tra-ta-ta
          Tra-ta-ta 22 November 2013 22: 15
          +2
          .. for this and threw under the "KamAZ-dangerous experiments".
        3. Genur
          Genur 22 November 2013 22: 52
          11
          Yes, they used to shoot in such a situation. Now they will find someone to ask - they have led, they say, to suicide.
      2. Makk
        Makk 23 November 2013 00: 43
        +8
        Poor Serdyukov, he probably has come to his senses.

        But Chubais now does not hiccup.
    2. pv1005
      pv1005 22 November 2013 16: 13
      10
      Sorry ERROR came out. And who is not mistaken? Further obscene .........................
    3. demel2
      demel2 22 November 2013 16: 40
      33
      But who will forgive them, will they be thieves like them? We should ask you and me, but we only knock on the clave.
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 22 November 2013 17: 22
        48
        A thief sits on a thief and drives a thief!
      2. pint45
        pint45 22 November 2013 17: 48
        24
        There are not enough real violent people here and there are no leaders; ONLY J-LIZES REMAINED or to those who give power to them for free. Where is our court? The fairest and no court.
        1. Brother77
          Brother77 22 November 2013 21: 44
          +1
          Krasava! Exactly!
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 23 November 2013 10: 53
          +1
          "Don't like my court? Go to my court!" (c) V.V. Putin
        3. Albert1988
          Albert1988 23 November 2013 21: 28
          +1
          Quote: pint45
          Where is our court? The fairest and no, and there is no court.

          In principle, it is possible to organize a court, but only if they begin to judge the Serdyuk seriously, then he can untie the tongue, and give compromising material to many important people, so they left him alone and put him on a soft spot, like in the case of Chubais ...
      3. Migari
        Migari 22 November 2013 20: 24
        29
        March 25, 2011In one Forest, where the trees have crowns of innumerable Branches, Not Don Wolf, not Bear, but Donkey was appointed Minister of Defense. ... Nobody thinks that Serdyukov, who was familiar to Putin from his work in St. Petersburg, accidentally was appointed by him to this position
        1. sinandju
          sinandju 22 November 2013 23: 47
          +7
          Putin Vedb knew that Serdyukov was already under investigation for the Three Whales. It seemed a little? Gave a state post. Again popl under suspicion. Again it seemed a little? Again he gave him a government post. Is Putin stupid?
          1. old man54
            old man54 23 November 2013 00: 47
            11
            Quote: sinandju
            Again it seemed a little? Again he gave him a government post. Is Putin stupid?

            no, Putin is just the same and he is throwing his accomplices in trouble laughing
            1. Alex 57
              Alex 57 23 November 2013 16: 02
              0
              All right, the raven will not peck out the crow's eye!
      4. vezunchik
        vezunchik 22 November 2013 20: 24
        +7
        So I’m talking about this - no one will give liberation, neither the king, nor God, nor a hero.
    4. Lesnik
      Lesnik 22 November 2013 16: 45
      36
      Quote: AVV
      !!! So what is the meaning of this reform from Serdyukov and DAM! The answer from them is not heard !!! And it’s time to ask with bias !!!

      YES "THERE IS SUCH A PROFESSION TO PLANGE MOTHERLAND"
      1. AVV
        AVV 22 November 2013 19: 18
        -13 qualifying.
        Steal, but answer if caught !!!
        1. sergaivenski
          sergaivenski 22 November 2013 21: 26
          20
          THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA are urged to LIVE according to the LAW, but the AUTHORITY itself demonstrates
          A blatant example of UNLAWFUL !!! THE PEOPLE OF RUSSIA simply spit in the SOUL !!!
      2. Genur
        Genur 22 November 2013 22: 55
        +4
        There was such a profession ...
      3. AVV
        AVV 23 November 2013 00: 39
        +4
        There is such a profession to defend the homeland !!! And for such a profession how to steal, Stalin put to the wall !!! In the best case, sent by stage, to work on the White Sea channel !!!
    5. Xroft
      Xroft 22 November 2013 16: 55
      12
      Perhaps today Serdyukov partly plays the same role that Rasputin, close to the royal family, played in his time.


      There is no need to compare with the past, but to watch what is happening. The people are now extremely amorphous and they will not go anywhere to overthrow something. The key role in politics is now played by the elites AND ONLY THEY, do not comfort the past with the illusion of the past when there were "popular revolutions" (as for how many people are also a question) this is not possible now (not with the typology that modern people of the "European" mindset possess).
      Therefore, look from this point of view at the situation with Serdyukov. This is a specific signal to "their" elites. Whatever you do, if you were faithful to your own, you will not be punished no matter what. We will cover you, etc. I think this motivates to stay on the side that allows it, and not to run to other barricades, defending other people's interests. This is justified within the framework of big politics.
      Yes, ordinary people are not pleased ... but do you see pickets in the streets? Crowds with transporters "Serdyukov to jail"? went out by themselves? That's right, no.
      They will try to play it out in public of course (Western partners are not asleep), but they will only strengthen the structure itself. And people will merge Vasilyev and everyone will be happy.
      The problem of combating systemic corruption is the fight against modern thinking. When generations of true "patriotic" officials grow up / educate (each patriotism will describe it in its own way), let's say, will be faithful to the system (investing money in one's own country is a key factor) then there will be no talk of corruption.
      You will be opposed if the Deputies for bribes begin to build hospitals? Schools? Stadiums? (All this brings money in fact) I think not. I see such a vector of development of our elites, in fact, recent events confirm this.
      Ps A whining in the style of all the power of the people / to build better and cheaper (well, at least they don’t ask for free) is pure fantasy and the dream of a simple layman.
      1. pint45
        pint45 22 November 2013 18: 05
        15
        The hedgehog is understandable that Serdyukov is simply the executor of the will of our rulers, who live closely in simple khrushchahs; give them the elite. They have fallen into power; why not steal. There is no god in their souls. IN THE WORLD they will be asked.
      2. vladstro
        vladstro 22 November 2013 18: 45
        11
        that I strongly doubt that all the deputies, instead of an extra mansion, will run to build kindergartens and schools, in fact the worst punishment for corruption is "punish harshly, up to dismissal" so I still think 91 or 93 years old, but suddenly execution is not far off, housing and communal services and with other increases.
        1. Xroft
          Xroft 23 November 2013 00: 54
          +1
          But who needs another mansion when you can cut grandmother officially from some kind of hospital? or from a football club? (Is this news true?) Any post is not eternal, everyone wants to LEGALIZE their bribes / money and other things. Who will touch the bribe taker who built the kindergarten? (Albeit paid). This is a contribution to their future.
          Look from their point of view, not from the point of view of ordinary people.
      3. for
        for 22 November 2013 19: 39
        -6
        Or maybe everything is much simpler?
        The Russian nation is simply tired of pulling the whole world - weak on its hump.
        And the Russian nation decided to simply "leave", leave this planet forever?
        1. Simon
          Simon 22 November 2013 22: 28
          10
          What are you talking about my friend! The Russians are not for that on planet Earth to leave somewhere, but in order to defend their country and stay on their land.
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 22 November 2013 22: 31
            +4
            Quote: Simon
            stay on your land.

            then on their Earth. and who does not agree, those somewhere on Sirius laughing
          2. sergaivenski
            sergaivenski 22 November 2013 23: 07
            +8
            Serdyukov again in a decent position; his counterpart Madame Vasiliev walks around
            distributes interviews to reporters, insolently laughs at the people of RUSSIA. This madam
            EVERYTHING does not matter !!! It has a colossal, very heavy-duty "roof" that makes
            literally EVERYTHING so that this corruption scandal is let loose on the brakes !!! What remains after everything that happens is to think to people of labor ??? Only the worst is about
            existing system of state power and management !!
        2. Tra-ta-ta
          Tra-ta-ta 22 November 2013 23: 48
          +5
          Petrovich! Drink VIAGRA and have a mistress! All Russians agree to leave, but only in battle! Me-56, but many good ladies! And for 3 days of competent preparation, I can go to the ship, to the tank, and even to the plane (without refueling)! And someone in vain believes that everyone doesn’t give a damn. And the guys have grown up with an old sourdough .. Let their knees be thinner, but today you don’t have to go to the bayonet ..
        3. AVV
          AVV 23 November 2013 00: 47
          +2
          In my opinion, have you missed more than one glass ??? If you began to have such thoughts ???
      4. SPACE
        SPACE 22 November 2013 20: 08
        0
        Quote: Xroft
        No need to compare with the past, but watch what happens ...

        The most reasonable and sober comment, + definitely! hi good
        Z.Y. The main problem is not corruption, but unprofessionalism, we will defeat stupidity, corruption itself will die out.
      5. vezunchik
        vezunchik 22 November 2013 20: 30
        10
        It is necessary to analyze the story! In 1915, no one thought that such a thing could happen as in 1917! But the same thing happened as now !!!
      6. ty60
        ty60 22 November 2013 23: 15
        +5
        What if the unbalanced Raskolnikov comes and splits Taburetkin with an ax to the waist?
        1. vlad.svargin
          vlad.svargin 23 November 2013 07: 46
          +2
          ty60 (2)
          What if the unbalanced Raskolnikov comes and splits Taburetkin with an ax to the waist?

          It’s only a pity that such a man will sit down, as the falsely accused Kvachkov sits behind Chubais.
      7. Hort
        Hort 26 November 2013 11: 21
        0
        minus for spelling. For they got it already (not only you, in general, the tendency of young people as a whole to write with elementary errors).
    6. APES
      APES 22 November 2013 16: 55
      10
      Quote: AVV
      it's time to ask with bias


      to call the names by whose will they acted and are acting
      1. sashka
        sashka 22 November 2013 18: 03
        +4
        Quote: APES
        to call the names by whose will they acted and are acting

        In Israel, there is such a place where their heads beat against the wall. All of Russia simply cannot theoretically do this ..
        1. for
          for 22 November 2013 20: 05
          +6
          We are not Israel.
          And bad business is not tricky.
          1. sashka
            sashka 27 November 2013 11: 50
            0
            Quote: Petrovich
            We are not Israel.
            And bad business is not tricky.

            Do you boast or regret?
            1. for
              for 27 November 2013 17: 40
              0
              I state a fact.
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    8. Rif
      Rif 22 November 2013 18: 15
      -17 qualifying.
      President of Russia V.V. Putin, in his annual Address to the Federal Assembly dated May 10, 2006, assessed the general condition of the Russian Army in the 90s, saying: “For an effective response to the terrorists (in 1999 in Dagestan), it was necessary to gather a group of at least 65 thousand people, and 55 of all Ground Forces in combat-ready units, and they are scattered throughout the country. The army is 1 million 400 thousand people, but there is no one to fight. ” In 2008, the punks were rolled out of completely democratic Georgia, with all the instructors from the USA, Israel, and even the impossibly independent Ukraine, they were rolled out in a week. Yes, I forgot, our people always win in spite of all sorts of Stalin, Putin, and even more so stool ministers. The army, of course, in spite of it, suddenly became combat-ready. All the traitor generals of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin era died of shame, or evaporated, and no one needed to bring them to an adequate state. Serdyukov alone is worthy of a reward, not sentencing without a trial, for this cesspool work. Judge by business, and not by the highs of the media-SMRADOV.
      1. falcon
        falcon 22 November 2013 18: 34
        24
        Quote: Rif
        Serdyukov alone is worthy of a reward, not sentencing without a trial, for this cesspool work. Judge by business, and not by the highs of the media-SMRADOV.

        Here Serdyukov and estimated his services as a "sewer" at about 16
        billion rubles. Other awards, apparently due to natural modesty,
        did not require. :))
        1. ty60
          ty60 22 November 2013 23: 21
          +1
          z I would have awarded him the most tomatoes ..
      2. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 22 November 2013 21: 06
        +8
        Quote: Rif
        All the traitor generals of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin era died of shame, or evaporated, and no one needed to bring them to an adequate state. Serdyukov alone is worthy of a reward, not sentencing without a trial, for this cesspool work. Judge by business, and not by the highs of the media-SMRADOV.

        There is some truth here, but Serdyukov is a thief !!!!!!!!
        And he undermined the country's defense capability! Putin does not give up?
        "Refusal of laws for a handful of close associates makes any government illegal in the eyes of those who will try to replace it. And in Russian conditions, where, in fact, fair elections are also illegal, as a result of an extremely difficult procedure, a regular change of government may not survive not only Putin's elite (God bless her), but also ... the country itself. "
        PS And it may come "man with a mustache" or "beard wedge"....
        1. kotvov
          kotvov 22 November 2013 21: 40
          +2
          have been waiting for a long time.
          1. Eugeniy_369
            Eugeniy_369 22 November 2013 21: 55
            +1
            Quote: kotvov
            have been waiting for a long time.

            Well, these are your dreams, I do not expect this. I prefer evolution rather than revolution ....
      3. yur
        yur 22 November 2013 21: 16
        +9
        Well, it was not Serdyukov who made the combat-ready army at all, but just those two Chechen wars. And more ... I can believe with all my foolishness that Serdyukov did not steal anything, well, not a single budget penny stuck to his handles (maybe he sold a lot of stools, well, he doesn't need more money!), BUT ... Who brought the team thieves and non-professionals in military affairs in the Ministry of Defense, who did not control (suppose) their activities, who significantly reduced the number of ensigns and enrollment in military schools, etc. etc.? What is not necessary to answer for this? What is professionalism? So why the hell ... this incompetent "manager" is being put back on a post in a government institution ?!
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 19
          -1
          But what if we fold ourselves and buy these Russian Technologies? When we have a controlling stake in our hands, we will decide who to put and who to eliminate
        2. gleb49
          gleb49 23 November 2013 08: 41
          +1
          For this he was removed. Judging by everything, it can only be over the road in the Astrakhan region. And God forbid, the case falls apart in court. Serdyukov, an intelligent swindler.
      4. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 22 November 2013 22: 44
        +2
        .. as we see: the more the suspects have a bright prospect, the more avalanche the army of those willing to "lick" grows .. Lawyers and PR nurses work well! There are enough grannies for everyone !!!
      5. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 23 November 2013 03: 05
        +6
        Quote: Rif
        Serdyukov alone is worthy of a reward, not sentencing without a trial, for this cesspool work. Judge by business, and not by the highs of the media-SMRADOV.

        It is necessary to say thank you to the command of the North Caucasus Military District, and not Serdyukov and Makarov, who on August 8, 2008, started the relocation of the Main Operations Directorate and the Main Organizational-Mobilization Directorate. The news that Georgia launched a military operation against South Ossetia, many officers learned only from the morning news. By this time, the alert system, which had been functioning uninterruptedly for more than forty years, was dismantled. There was simply no one on duty in departments and services, since there was nowhere to watch. The connection was cut down completely and the generals were completely cut off from the troops. As a result, at the most dramatic moment of the Tskhinvali drama, the General Staff of Russia lost control of the troops.
      6. sashka
        sashka 23 November 2013 06: 54
        0
        And you know or didn’t read about bullshit and mom didn’t tell
      7. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 23 November 2013 10: 00
        +1
        Not contrary, but thanks to Stalin.
    9. Col.
      Col. 22 November 2013 18: 24
      +7
      Quote: AVV
      The answer from them is not heard !!!


      And do not hear any answer. They have long spit on the people and their opinions. And the author was too shy to choose the title of the article: "Will the Kremlin have enough CONSCIENCE ..."
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 22 November 2013 23: 11
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Poor Serdyukov, he probably has come to his senses. Increasingly, I imagine Putin in the image of Themis, blindfolded and with weights. Whoever puts more on the scales is true.


        ..and where are our democrats from Bolotnaya ..? !!! they don't see or hear the story ...! For a long time on the square they should have splashed with saliva and clicked their teeth ..! But it's quiet in Moscow .. We did not pay for this action "because of". And it plays into our hands! We have already found a job and c-w TV spit into the souls of those who voted for Putin ...
      2. ty60
        ty60 22 November 2013 23: 24
        +1
        perfectly accurate definition
    10. vezunchik
      vezunchik 22 November 2013 20: 21
      +9
      The leadership of the country is well aware of his actions. But the raven will not peck out the crow's eye! it's time for everyone to understand it !! After all, the colonels were completely blamed for just talking, because such conversations threaten this government, and thieves are not afraid of them ...
    11. studentmati
      studentmati 22 November 2013 21: 23
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      Why, after this destruction, the new leadership of the Moscow Region begins to restore what could exist, but was destroyed. Huge money was spent on destruction,recovery money even more !!!So what is the meaning of this reform from Serdyukov and DAM! No answer is heard from them !!! But it’s time to ask with bias !!!


      Your question already contains the answer .... It is regrettable that this is taxpayer money .... yours and mine.
    12. Basarev
      Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 01
      0
      It’s good that at least Shoigu realized what damage the army suffered ... And not only the army. We only started to recover from the consequences of Gorbachev, Yeltsin and Serdyukov, but Serdyukov again burst into the process - this time in the person of the top manager of Russian Technologies ... I hope that Shoigu's undertakings will still overcome this collapse.
    13. kris
      kris 22 November 2013 22: 35
      +9
      Quote: AVV
      And it’s time to ask with prejudice !!!
    14. ty60
      ty60 22 November 2013 23: 05
      -1
      I need to ask a lady. His appointee. At the same time for a dry cut on the road. Stalin's apologist? Where then are the repressions for the enemies of the people from the Taburetkin clan?
      1. old man54
        old man54 23 November 2013 00: 52
        +5
        Quote: ty60
        LADY need to ask. His appointee

        you minus for not knowing the topic! Smerdyukov is the appointee of V.V. Putin. And you need to ask Vovka, and very hard!
    15. alone
      alone 22 November 2013 23: 06
      +3
      Quote: AVV
      The country's leadership did not listen to the signals coming from the people, from military commanders at various levels, from the faculty.


      Authorities (all without exception) never listen to the desire of their people and similar signals to them to one place.
    16. sinandju
      sinandju 22 November 2013 23: 44
      +3
      So what is the meaning of this reform from Serdyukov and DAM! No answer is heard from them !!! But it’s time to ask with bias !!!
      How subtly you separated Putin from all this. wink But it was he who appointed Serdyukov to these reforms, and not Medvedev. But Medvedev just continued the course. So do not separate one fly from another.
    17. sashka
      sashka 23 November 2013 06: 06
      +1
      go to the polls. What is not clear in the Russian letters? Better yet, knock your head against the wall ..
    18. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 23 November 2013 09: 55
      +1
      And who appointed Serdyuk as the minister? Having put him in, they acknowledge their miscalculations and crimes, the attitude towards Putin has changed dramatically, such gifts to correspondents and thieves cause outrage.
    19. taseka
      taseka 23 November 2013 09: 59
      +3
      And the article has already said this, petty! - "Perhaps the evil that he inflicted on the state is not so great"You are naughty, brother - his evil is great and tremendous !!!
    20. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 23 November 2013 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: AVV
      So what is the meaning of this reform from Serdyukov and DAM! No answer is heard from them !!! But it’s time to ask with bias !!!


      I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO ASK AND THE APPOINTOR! BUT HE WISHES TO KEEP THROUGH THE EXTINTER TO THE END OF YOUR DAYS, NOT TO GIVE IT DONE AT LIFE. AND IT WILL ALREADY BE EVEN FOR YOU ....

      Putin, apparently, has already forgiven Serdyukov, and at the same time his son-in-law Puzikov. The president spoke publicly twice about the fate of the ex-minister. In the first case, he said that "neither the investigation, nor the court personally make any claims to Serdyukov." In the second, he called on the military not to demonize the activities of the ex-defense minister. “There shouldn't be constant shy away, endless revisions of earlier decisions,” Putin emphasized, thus giving Serdyukov an indefinite indulgence. Putin, as you can see, has already forgiven Serdyukov, and at the same time his son-in-law Puzikov. The president spoke publicly twice about the fate of the ex-minister. In the first case, he said that "neither the investigation, nor the court personally make any claims to Serdyukov." In the second, he called on the military not to demonize the activities of the ex-defense minister. “There shouldn't be constant shy away, endless revisions of previously made decisions,” Putin emphasized, thus giving Serdyukov unlimited indulgence.
  2. Ihrek
    Ihrek 22 November 2013 15: 48
    41
    Shame on such a country's leadership, Stalin is necessary for their souls.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 15: 53
      25
      Quote: Jamal
      Stalin needs their soul.

      They have no souls, but enough for the body and grave digger.
    2. for
      for 22 November 2013 20: 08
      18
      Stalin do not drag.
      For twenty years he raised the country from scratch (I don’t want to discuss by what methods - judging by the current situation - there were no others ... and it cannot be in our case.)
      Today, having such a potential, and so ineptly about it .... t - this must be able to.
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 00: 18
        +5
        ..Yeltsinsky Mr. slightly came out .. The kingdom of heaven to him .. And he gave the land to China, and drank the Union, and dishonored Russia with his insanity, and the Slavs in Yugoslavia unforgivably betrayed and the uranium weaponous ocean pulled ... But! The last trough with uranium-235 came out of St. Petersburg the other day .. But what about BB .. ???
        1. rsnv
          rsnv 23 November 2013 00: 56
          +1
          Quote: Tra-ta-ta
          And what about BB .. ???

          How's that BB? Russia saves, as his grandfather bequeathed to him in the now distant December 1999.
  3. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 22 November 2013 15: 50
    16
    Theater of the absurd, no words, only emotions.
    1. Brother77
      Brother77 22 November 2013 21: 50
      +3
      There is no limit to the perfection of lawlessness! -Narrow officer wisdom about the leaders of the senile.
  4. Oskar
    Oskar 22 November 2013 15: 52
    +7
    That which is not suppressed in the bud grows rapidly, for in neglect itself it finds the conditions for unhindered development.
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 22 November 2013 15: 52
    32
    The Kremlin absolutely spit on the opinion of the people, and not only in this matter. And stooltkin - well, he will create another "Department of Intimate Relations". It is difficult to wean a wolf from eating meat. Moreover, when he is fed, and not shot, as it should be.
    1. Sharp
      Sharp 22 November 2013 16: 41
      29
      Photos in the subject.
      1. Sharp
        Sharp 22 November 2013 17: 41
        14
        When it’s interesting, this fat hog will be taken to LESOPOLOSA.
      2. AVV
        AVV 22 November 2013 19: 40
        +3
        This is already at a new place of work !!! Serdyukov, as if he were telling everyone. Write, write, writers! And you won’t get to my little egg which is buried in the country at a depth of 3 meters !!! And with Vasilyeva dough until the end of life!
    2. ty60
      ty60 22 November 2013 23: 31
      0
      castrate, so as not to multiply!
      1. Asev
        Asev 23 November 2013 06: 13
        +1
        No, you have to hang by the eggs
    3. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 00: 29
      -1
      Down with impotent leaders from Russia!
      If the leader has a "stand", then he himself will figure it out!
      Impotent surrounds himself with icicles with an omnivorous appetite ...
  6. makarov
    makarov 22 November 2013 15: 57
    +2
    I'll change the question.
    Will the Kremlin have enough carvalol for all taxpayers (?), And cameras with "tails" for fakes ????
    1. demel2
      demel2 22 November 2013 16: 49
      13
      No, you’re wrong. They prepared cameras for us, as well as a bunch of punitive apparatus, but for themselves villas and loot over the hill.
      1. for
        for 22 November 2013 20: 11
        +1
        Uh no!
        You are not right...
        This is all the result of the monetarism mentality introduced in Russian society.
  7. IRBIS
    IRBIS 22 November 2013 15: 58
    33
    And the margin of safety was completely gone after the declared fight against corruption turned into a farce. Personally, it caused disappointment and complete misunderstanding for me. Most likely, I am not alone in this loss of trust and hope. That's it, banana to them ...
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 22 November 2013 16: 29
      30
      Quote: IRBIS
      declared fight against corruption turned into a farce
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 22 November 2013 16: 36
      21
      Not alone dear, I absolutely do not understand the actions of PUTIN in such matters.
      I would like to believe in a good and right king, alas, in life everything is different.
      1. APES
        APES 22 November 2013 17: 02
        12
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I do not understand the actions of Putin in such matters


        they don’t give up their ...

        if the master surrenders his vassal, other vassals will begin to think.

        I think all this is a story with a "stool" - a specific "order" against GDP,
        he gave an answer, and a worthy one - the arrest of the mayor of Makhachkala, a run over the "potash" business with the help of "Batka".

        In the face of a clan struggle - to understand who is fighting - it is enough to see who is standing - what forces are behind specific personalities.

        I am sure that we will soon continue ...

        It remains to decide: for whom to root or who to spit ....
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 22 November 2013 17: 23
          11
          Quote: APES
          It remains to decide: who to root for or who to spit on



          I will take the ballot home - X .... to them, and not my voice!
        2. Karabin
          Karabin 22 November 2013 22: 26
          +1
          Quote: APES
          It remains to decide: for whom to root or who to spit ....

          What is there to decide? All under the sun.
        3. ty60
          ty60 22 November 2013 23: 38
          0
          and a stool there, in the same canal with a common stream. It would be more effective
        4. sinandju
          sinandju 23 November 2013 14: 29
          +1
          APES
          I think all this is a story with a "stool" - a specific "order" against GDP,
          lol Write to such people in the eyes, in the eyes, they will still say - God's dew. . an order for the gdp ... and Putin was the last bad one if he decided to substitute himself again and gave him a new state post? Yes, all of them are oiled there with one oil .... Different sides of one sandwich.
      2. creak
        creak 22 November 2013 17: 08
        12
        Where there are no illusions, there is no disappointment. One should not take seriously what the Kremlin muezzins broadcast from the Ostankino minaret during the evening prayer (program) ... As long as we believe that the gentleman is here to come, the master will judge us, then everything will go as it is now. If there is a king, that is, serfs, and with serfs when someone was considered that earlier, what now ...
      3. Andrey57
        Andrey57 22 November 2013 17: 26
        17
        And what is there incomprehensible in the actions of the GDP? What did he start with, together with Sobchak? All with the same banal theft. So why then be surprised that a thief does not give up a thief in a thieves' state as "his own"? fellow
      4. SV
        SV 22 November 2013 18: 59
        +6
        The boar knows a lot, it's dangerous to plant ....
        1. yur
          yur 22 November 2013 21: 26
          +2
          So no one has yet canceled a heart attack.
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 22 November 2013 21: 46
            0
            and you are sure that compromising information is on non-electronic media, and suddenly they pop up. I’ll think about the answer in this.
        2. ty60
          ty60 22 November 2013 23: 40
          0
          need to kill
      5. atalef
        atalef 22 November 2013 20: 14
        +9
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        I would like to believe in a good and right king, alas, in life everything is different.

      6. for
        for 22 November 2013 20: 14
        +1
        Eh!
        If only there was a signal: - "Empire above all!"
        I would understand and support him, and so ............
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 22 November 2013 22: 28
          0
          Quote: Petrovich
          Eh!
          If

          Really?
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 23 November 2013 06: 18
            -1
            Quote: Karabin
            Quote: Petrovich
            Eh!
            If

            Really?

            It is, of course, if only like that, nothing else, so to speak, not so much as saying, but still ...
    3. Muadipus
      Muadipus 22 November 2013 17: 57
      13
      This profession used to be called Thief. Today - a successful business executive.

    4. for
      for 22 November 2013 20: 12
      0
      It ends with me too.
      And I always thought that this stock is endless.
    5. Basarev
      Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 24
      0
      It seems that a prophecy is beginning to come true: on this site many months ago it was said that to no avail - the business would fall apart, and Serdyukov and his henchmen would continue to live happily ever after
    6. sergaivenski
      sergaivenski 22 November 2013 23: 16
      0
      The fight against corruption, corroding the foundations of the state, has long been turned into FARS !!!
      1. sergaivenski
        sergaivenski 22 November 2013 23: 22
        +1
        ALL bred thieves of the OBORONSERVICE company need to be planted in the old decommissioned
        ship, using the icebreaker to bring the ship to the Arctic Ocean.
        ice will make the bot !!!
  8. smersh70
    smersh70 22 November 2013 16: 04
    10
    what margin of safety. Prokhanov fellow Serdyukov simply turned to his wife .. and all .... laughing look at the world .. with simple eyes .. and that forever loves Prokhanov to think big))))) by the way Serdyukov is just crazy ..... fell in love with a cow ... and his wife is just beautiful !!!!!!!! ! why did he go to Vasilyeva ... he had some money ..... not the gigolo ... winked
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 22 November 2013 16: 08
      +3
      Quote: IRBIS
      That's it, banana to them ...


      Exactly!
    2. Altona
      Altona 22 November 2013 18: 23
      15
      Zhenya is now smashed, she is quite fucking in old photographs ... She wrote poetry about Tolik, "about shaggy hands caressing the body" ... Tolik's hands were really very shaggy ... hi
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 19: 59
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      .. fell in love with a cow ... and his wife is just beautiful !!!!!!!!! why did he go to Vasilyeva.

      Sometimes you want a salty one. laughing
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 01: 05
        +1
        ..and smelly
    4. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 22 November 2013 20: 16
      +7
      Quote: smersh70
      why did he go to Vasilyeva ...

      Folk wisdom: "Don't drink water from your face. If only it sucks well"
      (I’m sorry, but you won’t erase words from the song)
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 01: 07
        +1
        I issue a diploma for a sexologist!
    5. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 00: 59
      +1
      ..it happens - the wife dies with the wife, and lives with the widow ...
      .. the lovers' photos are completely not erotic: a fat figure .., lack of pubis (sipovka) .. Conclusion: rich experience @ male weakness ...
  9. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 November 2013 16: 06
    23
    Quote: "Serdyukovschina" is a much more terrible phenomenon than Serdyukov. "
    "Serdyukovshchina is a concentrated expression of misunderstanding of the authorities and the people. You can talk about the presumption of innocence indefinitely, but if the country's leadership puts forward potential high-ranking offendermeans investigation and future court bwill be blown away under the moral pressure of this leadership decision. Knowing our judicial system, we can a priori conclude that Serdyukov will "get off" with another promotion. The power is losing its supporters
    1. demel2
      demel2 22 November 2013 16: 57
      +9
      For the authorities, supporters of Serdyukov Chubais and others like them, and you and I are just an electorate well or, otherwise, how to explain their actions.
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 01: 13
        -1
        .. everything has already been painted on You Tube! Just type in the search site: Rockefellers and Rothschilds. And then you get to Starikov @ Company ... It will be sad at first, but you will feel a surge of energy and brains!
    2. Normal
      Normal 22 November 2013 17: 43
      15
      Ivanovich47

      Power loses its supporters


      Do not flatter yourself, it does not hurt that she needs you. What can you do? Do not come to the polls? There is someone for you to push a bunch of ballots into the ballot box.
      Vote against? In power there is a wizard Churov.
      As long as you sit at home and do not go out to protest, you do not exist for the authorities. Shut up? So everything suits you. Are you outraged on the Internet? Go on, this is very good. The main thing is not to go outside - there is a terrible "swamp"
      1. optimist
        optimist 22 November 2013 23: 12
        +1
        Quote: Normal
        Are you outraged on the Internet? Go on, this is very good. The main thing is not to go outside - there is a terrible "swamp"

        Most likely it will reach the street very soon. Apparently, exactly after the "limpiyada". While the mob is chewing on the budget "gingerbread", the Kremlin can sleep relatively well. But everything that is happening stubbornly suggests that the "ataman" is running out of gold reserves. And those who didn’t know him yesterday in which half .. oops to kiss, tomorrow will lay around ... uami in full. The battleship Potemkin was already in our history, and on January 9th, and October 17th ... Of course, I really don't want blood, but there is probably no other way out of this situation, alas ... The worst thing if external aggression from the south or east is superimposed on internal unrest, Russia may not survive this ...
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 22 November 2013 23: 50
          0
          Quote: optimist
          While the mob is chewing on budget "gingerbread"

          And the mob, in your understanding who?
          1. optimist
            optimist 23 November 2013 00: 42
            +1
            Quote: Russ69
            And the mob, in your understanding who?

            Not in ours, but in theirs. That is, Putin-Serdyukovsky. That is, we are with you ... And the situation with tolina proves this once again.
      2. ty60
        ty60 22 November 2013 23: 53
        +1
        Baenka, we’re being driven out into the streets! The question arises, for what? So that time to crush is still in force?
      3. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 01: 16
        0
        ..and in the "web" we are already at gunpoint ...
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  11. bevatec
    bevatec 22 November 2013 16: 08
    20
    But don’t you (and Us) think that Putin has long and deeply fooled the opinion of the electorate? They’ve chosen (morons) -beat for many more years. -beat patience!
    1. virm
      virm 22 November 2013 16: 26
      22
      The fact that Putin inadequately perceives reality became clear after he divorced his wife. What for? At 60 then? Looks like he thinks he caught God by the beard. He thinks that everything is allowed to him. 14 years in power! And she is going to sit in the Kremlin for at least 11 years. You can’t be at the top of power for so long. Moreover, pursuing such an ambiguous domestic policy. He would have left now, and look, he would remain alive. Well, they drag him through the courts and showdowns, like Pinochet or Berlusconi. But, if he continues to cling to power, then the end will be much worse. Like Ceausescu or Gadaffi.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 29
        +1
        One gets the feeling that Saltykov-Shchedrin wrote books of predictions
        1. alexey garbuz
          alexey garbuz 22 November 2013 23: 08
          +1
          Just now, those in power take over all the traits and habits of the gentlemen of the early 20th century. They rush, s.uki, consider that they are the arbiters of human destinies. Blue, damn it, blood.
      2. ty60
        ty60 23 November 2013 00: 00
        +1
        There are much more real examples, but I agree. Plus you
      3. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 01: 23
        0
        .. everything has already been painted on You Tube! Just type in the search site: Rockefellers and Rothschilds. And then you get to Starikov @ Company ... It will be sad at first, but you will feel a surge of energy and brains!
        If the media do not lie about a divorce, then this is not a man ..! Throwing the Mother of her children is not an act of a strong man. A strong man has everyone, but his wife is always in the 1 place. Moreover, my countrywoman ...
        Weak idol ...
      4. Asev
        Asev 23 November 2013 06: 18
        +1
        Impeach GDP, and Shoigu as president!
    2. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 01: 16
      -1
      .. everything has already been painted on You Tube! Just type in the search site: Rockefellers and Rothschilds. And then you get to Starikov @ Company ... It will be sad at first, but you will feel a surge of energy and brains!
  12. waisson
    waisson 22 November 2013 16: 12
    10
    shame and laughter how much you can scoff at people the sentence is one THIEF SHOULD BE SITTING IN PRISON AND NOT CONCEPTUALLY AND POP
    RAVDI, you can create a realeti show of Serdyuk and Vasilisa in prison, I would watch with pleasure
    1. tverskoi77
      tverskoi77 22 November 2013 16: 52
      11
      how much can you mock people
      presumably until 2017))))) and then who didn’t hide ...
      1. horoh
        horoh 22 November 2013 17: 47
        +5
        With such a "political" life, something will happen before 2017 !!!!
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 22 November 2013 21: 54
          +1
          Quote: horoh
          With such a "political" life, something will happen before 2017 !!!!

          I think a little earlier ...
  13. andrei332809
    andrei332809 22 November 2013 16: 16
    +3
    yes, the Kremlin’s people have really crushed themselves with this stool. and so it wasn’t so hot inside the country, but now ... probably the president’s only option was (to return the initial confidence of the people) - to drive wholesale bears, furniture, and deputies with senators. and plant, plant and plant. and do not talk about independent courts No.
    1. avt
      avt 22 November 2013 16: 59
      18
      Quote: andrei332809
      yes, kremlyovtsi themselves were strongly crippled by this stool. and so it was not so hot in the country, but now ...

      This is yes! Not a single "swamp" or any State Department official could have come up with anything better to discredit the authorities than the epic of "house arrest" of Vasilyeva and the "employment" of Serdyukov against the background of the mass media scandal in the Moscow Region. "Relationships don't need any enemies.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 22 November 2013 17: 06
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Not a single "swamp" or any State Department official could have come up with anything better to discredit the authorities

        at exactly good
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 22 November 2013 21: 52
      0
      but it’s better to shoot yourself if he’s an officer, although I have doubts, doubts, doubts.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 32
        +1
        Serdyukov is no officer. The most ordinary civilian. How was he allowed to enter the Ministry of Defense?
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 31
      +2
      Now you realize that Stalin was a golden man
    4. ty60
      ty60 23 November 2013 00: 04
      0
      let's introduce triples again
  14. Apollo
    Apollo 22 November 2013 16: 26
    +9
    quote-Power it seems that this stock is inexhaustible, that this stock is not melting away from such trifles as reassigning Serdyukov to new leading roles.

    Play with the feelings of people (people) and never brought anyone to good.
    1. Tra-ta-ta
      Tra-ta-ta 23 November 2013 01: 33
      0
      .. they play not with chuvtvami, but also with lives .. Why are our boys accumulating for the slaughter with a ridiculous balance of power ..? Each "shoulder strap" said that they would kill even if "there is a fair wind" ... They decided to promote Our Universal Soldier in Hollywood style ...
  15. typhoon7
    typhoon7 22 November 2013 16: 32
    +4
    Quote: IRBIS
    And the margin of safety was completely gone after the declared fight against corruption turned into a farce. Personally, it caused disappointment and complete misunderstanding for me. Most likely, I am not alone in this loss of trust and hope. That's it, banana to them ...

    YES, you are far from alone. The frustration is colossal.
  16. Pioneer007
    Pioneer007 22 November 2013 16: 35
    17
    someday this picture will come true.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 22 November 2013 16: 38
      +2
      Quote: Pioneer007
      someday this picture will come true.

      hope dies last?
    2. demel2
      demel2 22 November 2013 17: 08
      +1
      In parallel reality only.
    3. tor11121
      tor11121 22 November 2013 18: 29
      +3
      Kremlin lads with a godfather. and live by their own ideas.
    4. alone
      alone 22 November 2013 23: 09
      +1
      dreams, dreams !!)) Dreaming is certainly not harmful!
  17. zennon
    zennon 22 November 2013 16: 37
    +6
    Play with the feelings of people (people) and never brought anyone to good.

    And what threatens him? Well, tweet on your forums - D.E.R.L.M.O.K.R.A.T.I.YA! And HE WILL DO WITH THE COUNTRY WHAT YOU WANT. Millions of Asians will be dragged, Vasilyeva head of administration will do it. I was surprised by the recall of the "Master Bank" - because there is his cousin on the board of directors. Well, that will decide. And the people?
    1. corn
      corn 22 November 2013 19: 22
      +1
      I will try to show the option already ready for "Master Bank"
      Depositors rush for part of the money under the law on deposits, part of the money is paid at the expense of the obligation of banks to insure deposits. These differences have long been in the right pocket.
  18. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 22 November 2013 16: 37
    +5
    Guys, remember the folk wisdom: FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD !!!

    This explains a lot in our interesting state.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 22 November 2013 16: 50
      +3
      Quote: kim.230752
      : THE FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD!!!

      just brush it off the tail. a few more offers of the teddy bear, and that’s it, paragraph ... you need to start saving money so that there is enough for two cubic meters of land
    2. Muadipus
      Muadipus 22 November 2013 17: 29
      +1
      the saying is true, but in our case, it seems to me that the head is not alone.
    3. Nikolay D.
      Nikolay D. 22 November 2013 21: 20
      0
      Quote: kim.230752
      Guys, remember the folk wisdom: FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD !!!


      Dead fish rots from the head, it turns out according to your "folk wisdom" we are all products of decay of decaying flesh. But any sane person will say that cadaveric poison is power, and we, they say, are a healthy organism. But then a healthy organism turns out to have a rotting head. Do you think this is possible? These are the metamorphoses.

      In this situation, Russia is sick, but it can still be cured. If the head is dead, then the body is dead. So is the head dead?
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  20. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 November 2013 16: 37
    +3
    But the election is far away. Will we really forget and forgive Putin the Serdyukovism?
    1. Imperial
      Imperial 22 November 2013 17: 03
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      But the election is far away. Will we really forget and forgive Putin the Serdyukovism?
      And how do you like? They will clear the clearing and bring out two candidates, Putin and Lech Oval., and what, eh, who? vote do not vote, anyway ...
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 22 November 2013 18: 46
        0
        So this is the whole point of democracy in the American way, but at least their Congress is "kicking" ... request
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 22 November 2013 23: 11
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      Will we really forget and forgive Putin the Serdyukovism

      And Serdyukovschina and Lebanon, and the WTO and Gaster. All forgive. What you can’t do for a good person, all the more so, as you know, you can’t find a replacement for him from 140 million. Again, is there really nothing to forgive the guarantor for? So Peskov said that the guarantor did not employ a stool. To help Peskov, forum believers quote the Gospel of Fedorov and Starikov. So, that for the next election, everything will be all right, and those who doubt the GDP-savior, by themselves, the State Department trolls, hamsters, grant-eaters and liberalists.
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  21. Stinger
    Stinger 22 November 2013 16: 37
    +2
    Will the Kremlin survive? Not so important. He will survive everything. But will the army survive and help its resuscitation?
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  23. von_Richten
    von_Richten 22 November 2013 16: 42
    +1
    The Kremlin had the strength to put him (the tax officer) on the main post in the Moscow Region, so saying that the authorities blundered does not make sense, because the authorities did not blundered, but did everything according to plan.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 22 November 2013 17: 03
      +5
      He was no taxman. During his leadership, the tax service turned from a really controlling body into a crowd of clerks engaged in endless rewriting of departmental reports (mostly fake - I know that for sure and am responsible for my words)!
  24. bomg.77
    bomg.77 22 November 2013 16: 49
    13
    Poems in the theme

    With Serdyukov obviously crap,
    Gentlemen are good!
    Clearly, like God's day,
    What is supposed to sit!

    So he sat down, but not there -
    In mechanical engineering!
    Not e..t you gentlemen
    Self-preservation ?!
    Are you waiting for riot al chavo?
    Like, no one is rocking?
    Serdyukovskoe
    Will pour out sweet cream?

    So tad Vasilyev
    Put it next to Tol,
    So that closer, therefore,
    Grandfather walker and grandmother ...

    Oh, sorry, gentlemen,
    Better off Medinsky!
    And - there Vasilyev,
    Like Princess Orda!

    Do things together
    After all, there is experience
    Nothing outrage
    Dare or dare.
    http://k-markarian.livejournal.com/144374.html
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 22 November 2013 17: 51
      +7
      Quote: bomg.77
      Self-preservation ?!

      I will not believe how much
      about self-preservation
      it happens after all
      with whose blessing?

      Don't stagger their boat
      Like fools naive
      After all, they told us already
      “They are EFFECTIVE”
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 22 November 2013 19: 33
        +1
        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
        “They are EFFECTIVE”
        Is this your addition or continuation of the verse?
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 22 November 2013 20: 31
          +4
          suddenly visited me
          these inspirations
          as you wish, will be-
          continued
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 23 November 2013 00: 16
            0
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            suddenly visited me
            these inspirations
            as you wish, will be-
            continued

            Always envied people who can write poetry hi+
  25. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 22 November 2013 16: 57
    21
    Will the Kremlin have enough strength to withstand the reassignment of Serdyukov


    WILL NOT BE ENOUGH.

    The authority of power is already lower than the plinth because of the stools.
  26. AK-47
    AK-47 22 November 2013 16: 57
    +6
    Serdyukov - the genius of crime - successfully stole under the law.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 22 November 2013 18: 49
      +3
      It's time to put a new meaning into the phrase "thief in law" bully
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 22 November 2013 20: 45
        0
        Quote: Patton5
        It's time to put a new meaning into the phrase "thief in law"

        this is scary!
  27. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 22 November 2013 16: 58
    +2
    Quote: andrei332809
    it is necessary to start saving money so that it is enough for two cubic meters of land


    Well you give! After all, the dead are still not lying around in the streets. Although it’s shitty, but they dig in a zadarmak. Although you know what tomorrow will be ...
  28. awg75
    awg75 22 November 2013 16: 59
    +2
    I am ashamed of this situation .... you understand that it is not the one who is right, but who has more rights ....
  29. svoi
    svoi 22 November 2013 17: 01
    0
    The MO reform was needed, too expensive, in all respects, a bunch of senility veterans cost almost a spike with stripes on their pants, the assets were, really, not relevant. And the fact that the proceeds from their sale did not go to the general, in the sense not to the budget, is such a national tradition, rooted in pre-Christ times. The BIG mistake of the authorities is that Serdyukov had to be exchanged, they would have arranged a sentence for him in sanatorium conditions, after a couple of years he would have reclined, would have been udo. and everything would be quiet and tidy. And so the power loses legitimacy, we ... al - take it away. If you look at the situation with humor, his face! Svetlakov in the image of the deputy pronina is resting.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 22 November 2013 19: 01
      +1
      I agree that the Serdyuk story is the loudest corruption scandal in the modern history of Russia. It is like a concentration of all the hopes of citizens for justice, like a litmus test that will show who is made of what. Many more "blind" will see clearly ..... "Perestroika" will be remembered, for it the Chernobyl accident became a "litmus test"
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  30. kafa
    kafa 22 November 2013 17: 04
    +5
    officers fired a bullet for stealing the regimental treasury - and this one just negative
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    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 22 November 2013 17: 35
      0
      Quote: kafa
      officers fired a bullet for stealing the regimental treasury

      Amendment: the quartermasters could, and the combat officer at the checkout of the regiment had contact only when receiving a salary.
      1. ty60
        ty60 23 November 2013 00: 22
        0
        Well, put cancer, not for nothing!
  32. Navy7981
    Navy7981 22 November 2013 17: 04
    +5
    I don’t understand what! They say! As if Serdyukov did not know anything, did not know and did not assume that such disgraces were happening under his nose, but even if we assume that he was (is) a complete nerd and this is really so, then who the hell needs such a manager?
    Negative selection is the trouble. We do not need the smart, we need the faithful! And then from such faithful ones - an apoplexy hit with a snuffbox! Nonsense! Incompetence, greed, meanness, cynicism in the worst understanding, irresponsibility - these are the characteristics for most officials at any level. Normal Thank God there is otherwise the country would have already been torn to pieces.
  33. Garrin
    Garrin 22 November 2013 17: 13
    28
    Why is everyone so obstinate about Serdyukov? Serdyukov, for me personally, just became a household name, a kind of symbol. Why did everyone forget about the "gambling prosecutors", and Skrylnik with Agroleasing, and the Bilalovs and Dvorkovich couple with them, and the preparations for the APEC summit and the Olympics in Sochi, and Skolokovo, and the red-haired Nanotoly with friend Gozman, and Russian Railways ... only on a vskidku and that which is no longer possible to hide.
    The authorities have long discredited themselves, if not by inaction, then by theft or by his "protection". So, Tolik Taburetkin is only the visible part of the iceberg.
    1. sub307
      sub307 22 November 2013 17: 34
      +7
      That's it. Serdyukov seems to have been specially identified "for an indicative light flogging", well, since he "sewed up" with his women. They threw the "bone" to the media and all other "Internet communities", they say, gnaw until you get bored. The rest of the "worthy" effective managers, meanwhile, "in the shade of the palm trees" are being delayed.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 49
        0
        But in Stalin's time they didn’t stand on ceremony with such people - an ice pick on the head, and the whole conversation
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 23 November 2013 10: 20
          0
          Trotsky the ice ax waited a very long time, in this case there is no time
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 23 November 2013 17: 47
            0
            Cowardly quiet in Mexico, he did not wait
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  34. AK-47
    AK-47 22 November 2013 17: 18
    +2
    Well, what can I add.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 22 November 2013 17: 39
      +8
      Quote: AK-47
      Well, what can I add.

      Genius ... Among fertilizers ...
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 23 November 2013 10: 21
        0
        Fertilizer, however, does not sink, it is not sinking
  35. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 22 November 2013 17: 37
    +2
    The law is that drawbar: where it turned, it turned out there!
  36. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 November 2013 17: 38
    0
    Serdyukov is a "boy" for whipping .. In the near future, I think there will be major revelations and arrests (of which we can not even guess ..) There is such a concept of preparing public opinion .. So even if judging by the forum in VO, the people of Russia are almost ready ! Criminal cases are ready (with all the real evidence ..) Remember Amirov, the mayor of Makhachkala, it was a training session .. And Bystrykin recently hinted at some kind of "joy" in the anti-corruption struggle .. Serdyuk is a pawn! Here you can already dig with an excavator, you will not be mistaken .. We will wait. bully The people require bread and circuses ..! Yes, it’s easy .. (I’m a little bit maliciously just don’t like it when they start playing with public opinion ..) First they will start the problems and then the cleanings will start right and left .. That's the thing!
    1. rsnv
      rsnv 22 November 2013 18: 36
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      In the near future, I think there will be major revelations and arrests (of which we can not even guess ..)


      A very "original" assumption. Will they expose themselves and imprison themselves?
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 22 November 2013 18: 52
        +1
        Well, almost ... Otherwise, they will be cleaned as in the 17th. You don’t need to jerk. I just wrote my opinion and that’s it! (I put a minus to you)))
        1. rsnv
          rsnv 22 November 2013 19: 01
          +2
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Otherwise, they will be cleaned as in the 17th

          Quite controversial, but essentially a good assumption.
          Quote: MIKHAN
          You do not need to jerk.

          I do not jerk, not that subject (everything is very sad).
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 22 November 2013 19: 20
            -6
            Alas for me .. but what to do .. It’s hard now for everyone (especially those who support Russia) Something needs to be changed (we’ll hardly stay in the trenches ..) I’m not a fan of personalities .. but Putin like Ukraine defended all the same .. (plus him another) Now the main foreign policy is tough to show everyone that we Russia as we were and remain a Great Power! (but let’s figure it out inside ..))
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 55
              0
              Do not drift. You can not worry about the country’s defense after appointing Shoigu. Only financial and domestic nuances are worried ...
            2. ty60
              ty60 23 November 2013 00: 31
              0
              Yes nah.ena us Transcarpathian Gaster at construction sitesNorth flow? Miller does not have enough cabbage-need to cut the salary of the Russians?
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 22 November 2013 19: 44
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Serdyukov is a whipping boy ..

      The sacrificial ram, which was specially raised !?
      Quote: MIKHAN
      The people demand bread and circuses ..!

      If the people asks him it must be given, otherwise he will take it !?
      Here before the elections for the people and they will slaughter these sheep !? laughing
      How can people buy for cheap ...!? laughing
      Quote: MIKHAN
      That's it!
    3. Genur
      Genur 22 November 2013 23: 17
      0
      Then we will exclaim: "There is a God in the world!"
      Although he never believed in him.
  37. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 22 November 2013 17: 41
    0
    In vain Putin is so, very vain ... no matter what happens.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 22 November 2013 19: 58
      -2
      Yes, he’s doing everything right .. (now he is constantly provoked by inadequate actions of utterance and then the howl and squeals will start for the whole world ..) What I like about him is that he knows how to pause .. (to the last) And then a point blow and painful! .. If it scratches the tongue briefly with sarcasm and in the subject .. Even Bzezhinsky (terry Russophobe) has quieted down .. He just does what most in Russia want .. (not bad yet) It works quietly .. the results are obvious (external politics) .. And then we'll see ..
      1. rsnv
        rsnv 22 November 2013 20: 25
        -1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        He just does what most in Russia want .. (not bad yet)

        Dear Putinophile, whom do you mean by the majority in Russia - embezzlers, corrupt officials, bureaucrats and similar parasites, for whose uncontrolled enrichment everything is being done and "so far not bad", and the corresponding "results are obvious."
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 22 November 2013 22: 56
          +2
          At least Putin did not allow to bomb Syria and defended Ukraine
        2. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 22 November 2013 23: 38
          0
          Quote: rsnv
          Dear Putinophile, whom do you mean by the majority in Russia

          Dear Liberal, Novodvorf Navalny Fil .. Russia is not yet Moscow and St. Petersburg .. read the story .. Russia!
          1. rsnv
            rsnv 22 November 2013 23: 53
            +1
            Quote: MIKHAN
            liberalfil, novodvorfil bulkfill ..

            And can you think of something more original, an expert on Russian history? In fact, in addition to voicing your fantasies, there is nothing to say, since real life in the Russian Federation is very far from what the Edrosov agitprop draws, whose mercenary or disinterested mouthpiece you are.
            1. sinandju
              sinandju 23 November 2013 14: 40
              +2
              rsnv
              do not pay attention to this mihan. Such people as he promoted at one time the cult of personality of Stalin, and perishing in the years 36-37 in executions, they died with his name on his lips. Fans ... what do you get from them ... crying wink
      2. ty60
        ty60 23 November 2013 00: 34
        +2
        And internal? You do not live in Turkey?
  38. Ragoz
    Ragoz 22 November 2013 17: 42
    +2
    One BUBBLE, another BOTTLE HOLE - that’s what a democratic republic is! (V.V. Mayakovsky)
    1. Sour
      Sour 22 November 2013 17: 45
      -5
      Quote: Ragoz
      that's what a democratic republic is!

      The socialist republic was the same.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 22 November 2013 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: Ragoz
      , to another HOLE from a donut - that’s what a democratic republic is! (V.V. Mayakovsky)

      Sorry, but V.V. Mayakovsky has "this is the BOURGEOIS republic!"
  39. Muadipus
    Muadipus 22 November 2013 17: 45
    0

    For a week now doubts have been tearing me apart. On the one hand, I want to believe in Putin. On the other hand, how can one believe in him if in his environment such people characters like Serdyukov?

    IMHO the only way and not otherwise
    1. Sour
      Sour 22 November 2013 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: Muadipus
      On the one hand, I want to believe in Putin. On the other hand, how can one believe in him if in his environment such characters as Serdyukov?

      Putin threw a bone to the people in the form of the "Serdyukov case", and now this bone is being taken away ... ay-ay-ay, how bad of him.
      If not Putin, then Serdyukov would still hold the post of minister, and no one would know anything. Because no investigator will dig under the minister without the president’s command.
      But now everyone is convinced that it was he who exposed the villain Serdyukov, and Putin excuses him. And it’s not funny to people.
      1. falcon
        falcon 22 November 2013 18: 44
        +5
        Quote: Sour
        Quote: Muadipus
        On the one hand, I want to believe in Putin. On the other hand, how can one believe in him if in his environment such characters as Serdyukov?


        If Putin is not, then Serdyukov would still hold the post of Minister

        I would like to recall that it was V.V. Putin in 2007. appointed Mr. Serdyukov to
        post of Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation. Probably made out in unremarkable
        official remarkable leadership or administrative talents!
      2. ty60
        ty60 23 November 2013 00: 40
        0
        What about Nurgaliev?
  40. sawmill
    sawmill 22 November 2013 17: 49
    17
    What a surprise? who would have thought? What's happening? Where does the president look? Maybe they didn’t report to him? Maybe he was deceived? Is he busy and there is simply no time?
    I see only one that we have:
    Is the business elite Putin’s partners in judo, his one-year-olds, drinking companions, janitors in his Leningrad house?
    The country's top leadership is the same people + I also forgot the managers of the gardening partnership near St. Petersburg where Putin had six lawful hundredths.
    Here are all these, their children, husbands of daughters, matchmakers, uncles and aunts, double father-in-law of the president’s favorite dogs, lovers of personal photographers, gardeners, fighting friends, as well as (of course not in the first roles) licked favorites (such as bikers, locksmiths from ralands) etc.), here they all together FORM the POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC SYSTEM of our country, headed by the president.
    And it doesn’t matter how much Serdyukov stole, he is the husband (albeit not very faithful) of the daughter of the chairman of that garden partnership, he is a faithful slave, a talented slime. With him, everything will always be fine as long as he is faithful, obedient, affectionate, and ready to do anything to serve his master.
    1. Sour
      Sour 22 November 2013 17: 58
      +5
      Quote: sawmill
      And it doesn’t matter how much Serdyukov stole, he is the husband (albeit not very faithful) of the daughter of the chairman of that garden partnership, he is a faithful slave, a talented slime. With him, everything will always be fine as long as he is faithful, obedient, affectionate, and ready to do anything to serve his master.

      So all our bosses are like that, every one of them. I have not met anyone else. Anyone pulls a train of "their people". This applies to the director of a small company, the mayor, the governor, and the president. For some reason, there is no other way for us.
      Under Yeltsin, everything was exactly the same. And under the USSR too.
      And appoint you (or choose), it will be the same. Just don’t say that you are not like that. We don’t have such ones.
      And the principle "not to surrender our own" is a national one, not a purely Putin one. Will you report your friend or brother if you find out that he is a thief? You won't get it, one hundred percent. And everyone else will not report.
      1. sawmill
        sawmill 22 November 2013 18: 44
        +4
        Yes, why did you decide that I would argue?
        In my memory, the time from Brezhnev to Putin and each ruler dragged his train. But the scale? The head of the furniture store section is the Minister of Defense. The chairman of the dacha cooperative is deputy before the government of the country. Transneft is in the hands of a sparing judo partner. Continue ?
        Does such a model of the country's political and economic structure have a future?
        How to rise an entrepreneur without doom in power structures?
        How to make a career politics without clan support?

        And after all, this is not the problem of Putin and his big clan, it is a matter of the country's survival.

        I have a question for the officers:
        How could one endure such a spit in the face of Serdyukov Minister of Defense.?
        Question to myself:
        Why and why do I tolerate such deputies, prime ministers, presidents, governors and heads of districts and settlements?

        Probably because any changes only worsen the situation.

        And what do you suggest?
        1. for
          for 22 November 2013 20: 33
          +6
          Do you think so. that there should have been an officer who was supposed to shoot Serdyukov and shoot himself?
          There are already none, washed .....
          1. KERGUDU BIMBAR
            KERGUDU BIMBAR 22 November 2013 20: 59
            -4
            YES OK, YOU!
            THOUGHT FOOTBALL STORED, SOLD ...

            BUT NOT THE MOTHERLAND SAME AT THE END OF THE END. laughing
        2. Basarev
          Basarev 22 November 2013 23: 01
          +1
          Comrade, you disturb me. Your words are like a call to a military dictatorship.
      2. for
        for 22 November 2013 20: 31
        +1
        There is only one option:
        - choose the dictator for the next term and give him unlimited powers.
        Just do not make a mistake in the candidate.
        1. Genur
          Genur 22 November 2013 23: 25
          +1
          ... from zabavok ...
  41. 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 22 November 2013 17: 50
    +1
    The law is that drawbar: where it turned, it turned out there!
  42. Ragoz
    Ragoz 22 November 2013 18: 02
    +1
    To one BUBLIC, another to a HOLE from a donut - that’s what a democratic republic is. V.V. Mayakovsky.
  43. Ragoz
    Ragoz 22 November 2013 18: 05
    +1
    One BUBLIC, the other a HOLE from a bagel - that’s what a democratic republic is. V.V. Mayakovsky.
  44. Sharp
    Sharp 22 November 2013 18: 11
    15
    Victory will be ours!
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 22 November 2013 22: 14
      +7
      you would have swan removed.
    2. vardex
      vardex 23 November 2013 00: 09
      +3
      SWAN SWEEP DO NOT BE AFRAID, ,,,,,
  45. Grif
    Grif 22 November 2013 18: 14
    -6
    Serdyukov, of course, is a son of a bitch, and in prison he has the right place. But suddenly I thought: if Putin were a populist cheap thing, he would certainly have planted him to please the venerable public. How it all really is, we will never know, but one thing is clear - Putin is not a populist and thank him for that. And conclusions will be made and measures will be taken, do not hesitate.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 22 November 2013 18: 39
      +7
      This is not populism, but boundless cynicism. What's even worse.
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    3. KERGUDU BIMBAR
      KERGUDU BIMBAR 22 November 2013 20: 37
      +1
      BUT IF IT, SERDYUKOV RIPPED FOR JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS WHICH TO Pull. LET OUR MOST HUMANITARY COURT
      DECIDE. "EXECUTE CANNOT BE FORGIVED" THE LAW ABOVE ALL.
      And then, it turns out someone a piece of fat from the balcony of the first, right away
      COURT, TRUTH AND THREE YEARS. HERE THE WHOLE VENTORG ...
      SORRY EMOTIONS FILL. WOULD LIKE TO.

      TIME WILL PLACE EVERYTHING IN ITS PLACE. WAIT FOR A LONG TIME!
    4. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 22 November 2013 20: 46
      +3
      Quote: Grif
      Putin would be a populist cheap thing, he would certainly put him in favor of the venerable public

      it’s strange, however, to put a thief on a bunk is populism, the respectable public is not for him, but to whom he goes for the sake of giving work, and don’t need to say that he doesn’t need it here, no state corporation would have flinched without considering possible reactions from above
    5. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 22 November 2013 23: 11
      0
      Well, yes, the "conclusions" have been made ... have come to the "conclusion" - it's time to change the CHAIR ...
  46. dropout
    dropout 22 November 2013 18: 23
    +4
    Only a truly cultured person will be able to describe the current political situation in the country without a single mat
  47. SEM
    SEM 22 November 2013 18: 26
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Serdyukov is a "boy" for whipping .. In the near future, I think there will be major revelations and arrests (of which we can not even guess ..) There is such a concept of preparing public opinion .. So even if judging by the forum in VO, the people of Russia are almost ready ! Criminal cases are ready (with all the real evidence ..) Remember Amirov, the mayor of Makhachkala, it was a training session .. And Bystrykin recently hinted at some kind of "joy" in the anti-corruption struggle .. Serdyuk is a pawn! Here you can already dig with an excavator, you will not be mistaken .. We will wait. bully The people require bread and circuses ..! Yes, it’s easy .. (I’m a little bit maliciously just don’t like it when they start playing with public opinion ..) First they will start the problems and then the cleanings will start right and left .. That's the thing!

    Each business has its own time ...
  48. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 22 November 2013 18: 29
    +4
    Quote: A. Prokhanov
    "Serdyukovschina" - a phenomenon much more terrible than Serdyukov. And therefore, by leaving this phenomenon not just alone, but by leaving this phenomenon at the core of today's state power, Putin puts this power and his own reputation at tremendous risk.

    The most accurate words in this situation.
    Morality - do not rely on loyal lackeys, be able to work with obstinate talents - this is the key to successful development!
  49. saz69rus
    saz69rus 22 November 2013 18: 39
    +8
    Previously, kings to reassure people to tear apart the kings, and these even the mind is not enough for these.
    1. Orik
      Orik 22 November 2013 18: 53
      0
      Previously, the people themselves took ...
  50. mivmim
    mivmim 22 November 2013 18: 46
    -9
    As you got already with Serdyukov. And who re-posted a prostitute Prokhanov here?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 22 November 2013 22: 16
      0
      Well, they love the money, even at least a scumbag.