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Bunker fightersThe Soviet military historians tried not to mention the existence of these divisions, the fighters of these divisions are not shown in the movies, and the accusers of the “worthless Stalin” keep silent about them.


Perhaps the fighters of these units were obliged to such ignorance that they did not fit into the popular image of the Soviet “soldier-liberator”? Indeed, in the view of the Soviet people, the Red Army soldiers of the Great Patriotic War are exhausted people in dirty overcoats, who are fleeing in an attack after tanks, or tired elderly men smoking on a parapet of a self-rolled trench. After all, it was precisely such shots that were mainly captured by military newsreels.

Probably, in front of people filming newsreels, the main task was to show the fighter of the workers 'and peasants' army, who had been torn off from the machine tool and the plow, and preferably nondescript. Like, what our soldier is - one and a half meters tall, and Hitler is winning! This image perfectly corresponded to the exhausted, muzzled victim of the Stalinist regime. At the end of the 1980-s, filmmakers and post-Soviet historians put a “victim of repression” on a cart, handed a “three-line” without cartridges, sending them towards the fascist armored horde - under the supervision of barrage detachments.

Of course, the reality was somewhat different from the captured newsreels. The Germans themselves entered the Soviet Union on 300's thousands of carts. The ratio in armament also differed from official Soviet data. In terms of the number of automata produced, fascist Europe was inferior to the USSR by 4 times, and by the number of self-loading rifles by 10 times.

Of course, recently the views on the Great Patriotic War have changed. The theme of the “senseless victims” was annoying to the society, and distant crews of armored trains, ninja scouts, frontier guards and other hyperbolized characters began to appear on the screens. As they say, from extreme to extreme. Although it should be noted that the real scouts and frontier guards (as well as marines and paratroopers) were indeed distinguished by excellent training and physical shape. In a country where sport was massively obligatory, “pitching” occurred more often than now.

And only one branch of service was never noticed by the writers eye, although it deserves the most attention. It was the assault engineering-sapper brigades of the Supreme Commander's reserve that were the most numerous and strong among the Soviet special forces during the Second World War.

Most of the warring parties during the war began to realize that the classic infantry is unable to perform many specific tasks. This was the impetus for the creation in Britain of commando battalions, in the United States - units of army rangers, in Germany a part of motorized infantry was reformed into “panzergrenadiers”. Starting its great offensive in 1943, the Red Army was faced with the problem of significant losses during operations to capture German fortifications, as well as in street battles.

The Germans were the great docks in terms of building fortifications. Long-term emplacements, often made of steel or concrete, covered each other, behind them were self-propelled guns or batteries of anti-tank guns. All approaches to the bunkers were entangled with barbed wire and thickly mined. In the cities, every manhole or basement turned into such firing points. Even the ruins turned into impregnable forts.

Of course, for the capture of such fortifications it was possible to use penalty boxes — it was pointless to lay thousands of soldiers and officers, bringing joy to future accusers of “Stalinism”. It was possible to rush to the embrasure - of course the act is heroic, but absolutely meaningless. In this regard, the Stake, which began to realize that it was time to stop fighting with the help of “cheers” and bayonet, and chose another way.

The very idea of ​​the ShISBr (assault engineering-sapper brigades) was taken from the Germans, or rather from the Kaiser army. In 1916, during the battle for Verdun, the German army used special sapper-assault groups that had special weapons (backpack flamethrowers and light machine guns) and special training courses. The Germans themselves, apparently counting on a "blitzkrieg," forgot about their experience, and then tramped under Sevastopol and in Stalingrad for a considerable time. But the Red Army took it into service.

The first 15 assault brigades began to form in the spring of 1943. The engineering and sapper units of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army served as the basis for them, since the new special forces required mainly technically competent specialists, since the range of tasks assigned to them was rather complex and wide.

A company of engineering intelligence first investigated enemy fortifications. The fighters determined the fire power and "architectural strength" of the fortifications. After that, a detailed plan was drawn up, indicating the location of the pillboxes and other firing points, what they are (concrete, earthen or others), what weapons are available. It also indicates the presence of cover, the location of obstacles and minefields. Using these data, developed a plan of assault.

After that, the assault battalions entered into battle (the brigade accounted for up to five). Fighters for Shisbr selected especially carefully. Sinkers, physically weak and soldiers older than 40 years could not get into the brigade.

The high requirements for the candidates were explained simply: the fighter-attack aircraft, bore the burden that was several times greater than the load of a simple infantryman. The standard set of the soldier included a steel bib, providing protection against small fragments, as well as pistol (automatic) bullets, and a bag in which there was a "set of a shooter". Pouches were used to carry increased grenade ammunition, as well as bottles with a “Molotov cocktail,” tossing into window openings or embrasures. From the end of 1943, assault engineering and sapper brigades began using backpack flame throwers.

In addition to traditional machine guns (PPS and PPSH), the soldiers of the assault units were armed with light machine guns and anti-tank guns. Anti-tank rifles were used as large-caliber rifles to suppress firing points.

To teach the personnel to run with this load on their shoulders and minimize its possible losses, the fighters were given tough training. Besides the fact that the ShISBr fighters ran on the obstacle course in full display, battle bullets were whistling over their heads. Thus, the soldiers were taught to "keep a low profile" even before the first battle and to consolidate this skill at the level of instinct. In addition, the personnel engaged in shooting training and demining and explosions. In addition, the training program included hand-to-hand combat, throwing axes, knives and sapper blades.

Training ShISBr were much harder than training the same scouts. After all, the scouts went on mission light, and the main thing for them was not to detect themselves. At the same time, the fighter-attack aircraft had no opportunity to hide in the bushes, and he did not have the opportunity to quietly "slip off". The main goal of ShISBr fighters was not drunk single "tongues", but the most powerful fortifications on the Eastern Front.

The battle began suddenly, quite often even without artillery preparation and, moreover, shouting “Hurray!”. Detachments of machine gunners and machine-gunners, whose main objective was to cut off German pillboxes from infantry support, quietly passed through previously prepared passages in minefields. Flamethrowers or explosives dealt with the enemy bunker itself.

The charge put into the vent hole made it possible to disable even the most powerful reinforcement. Where the lattice was blocking the way, they acted wittily and mercilessly: several canisters of kerosene were poured inside, and then a match was thrown.

In urban environments, ShISBr fighters differed in the ability to appear suddenly from the unexpected side of German soldiers. Everything was very simple: the assault engineering-sapper brigade literally passed through the walls, using TNT to lay a path. For example, the Germans turned the basement of the house into a bunker. Our fighters came in from the side or behind, blew up the basement wall (and in some cases the floor of the first floor) and then released several jets of flame throwers.

Not the last role in replenishing the arsenal of assault engineering and sapper brigades had the Germans themselves. From the summer of 1943, the “Panzerfaust” (faustpatrony) began to enter the arsenal of the Hitler army, which the retreating Germans left in large quantities. The ShISBra fighters immediately found use for them, because the fayuspatron could be used to penetrate not only armor, but also walls. Interestingly, the Soviet fighters invented a special portable rack that allowed salvo fire from 6 - 10 faustpatron simultaneously.

Also ingenious mobile frames were used to launch Soviet heavy 300 millimeter-missiles M-31. They were brought to the position, fit and produced direct fire. For example, during a battle at Lindenstrasse (Berlin), three such shells were fired at a fortified house. The smoking ruins remaining from the building buried everyone inside.

In support of the assault battalions in 1944, various floating conveyors and companies of flame-throwing tanks came. The efficiency and power of the ShIBBR, the number of which by then had increased 20, has increased dramatically.

However, the successes of the assault engineering sapper brigades shown at the very beginning caused the army command real dizziness. The leadership had the wrong opinion that the brigades could do anything and they were sent into battle on all sectors of the front, often without the support of other branches of the military. This was a fatal mistake.

If the German positions were covered with artillery fire, which was not previously suppressed, the assault engineering-sapper brigades were practically powerless. After all, no matter what training the fighters underwent, they were just as vulnerable for German shells as the recruits. The situation was even worse when the Germans fought off their positions with a tank counterattack — in this case the special forces suffered huge losses. Only in December, 1943. The Stavka established strict regulations for the use of assault brigades: now the ShISBr was necessarily supported by artillery, auxiliary infantry and tanks.

The vanguard of the assault engineering brigade was a company of mine clearance, including one company of mine detection dogs. They followed the ShISBr and cleared the main passes for the advancing army (the final clearance of the area lay on the shoulders of the rear engineer units). Minerals also often used steel bibs - we know, sappers sometimes make mistakes, and two-millimeter steel could protect them when small anti-personnel mines exploded. It was at least some kind of cover for the abdomen and chest.

Golden pages in stories Assault engineering and sapper brigades began fighting in Konigsberg and Berlin, as well as the seizure of the fortifications of the Kwantung Army. According to military analysts, without engineering assault special forces, these battles would be delayed, and the Red Army would lose much more fighters.

But, unfortunately, in 1946, the main part of the assault engineering-sapper brigades was demobilized, and then they were disbanded one by one. At first, this was promoted by the confidence of the military leadership that the Third World War would be won thanks to the lightning strike of the Soviet tank armies. And after the appearance of nuclear weapons in the General Staff of the USSR they began to believe that the enemy would be destroyed by an atomic bomb. Apparently, the old marshals did not think that if something survived during a nuclear cataclysm, it would be underground forts and bunkers. “Open” them could, perhaps, only assault engineering and sapper brigades.

The unique Soviet special purpose unit was simply forgotten - so that the next generations did not even know about its existence. So it was simply erased one of the most glorious and interesting pages of the Great Patriotic War.
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  1. Corsair
    Corsair 19 November 2013 08: 13
    46
    Shell Armor ...
    For the first time I read about this special forces in the magazine "Technology of Youth", there was also a short story in the program "Shock Force".
    It is unfortunate that so little has been said (and is spoken) about this page of the Second World War and Armed Forces ...
    And many thanks to VO, and "Military Archive" for the publication filling in the "blank spots" of the Second World War.
    1. Kars
      Kars 19 November 2013 11: 43
      33
      Red Army assault brigades in battle
      The armored infantry "of the Red Army," Soviet cuirassiers "- the majority of readers, even familiar with the history of the Great Patriotic War firsthand, these words will cause only bewilderment. So who are these soldiers in steel cuirasses?
      In the front ranks of the attackers, they suppressed enemy firing points and stormed the barricades on the streets of German cities, built bridges under fire and gnawed at enemy concrete. Their name is assault engineering and engineer brigades. Here is what Hero of the Soviet Union General Galitsky wrote about them, chief of the engineering forces of the 1st Ukrainian Front: “The personnel of the brigade are special sappers, attack aircraft with bulletproof vests, in steel helmets, all are armed with machine guns. They are intended for battle along with infantry and must participate in the breakthrough of defense: in the destruction of pillboxes, bunkers, machine-gun nests and enemy NP ... "
      Created at a crucial stage in the war, the Soviet "armored infantry" deservedly earned the title of Engineer Guard.
      The book of the military historian Nikolai Nikiforov for the first time details the contribution of the Red Army assault brigades to our common Victory.

      http://flibusta.net/b/171237
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 19 November 2013 14: 41
        +9
        Glory to the Soviet armored infantry! Once I heard that they were actively fighting with the Germans in Stalingrad. And really ... I don’t remember something in the Soviet films of a fighter with a flamethrower :(
        1. igordok
          igordok 19 November 2013 18: 22
          +5
          Quote: Walker1975
          I don’t remember something in the Soviet films of a fighter with a flamethrower :(

          Even in Soviet times, and even more so later, it was believed that a flamethrower is not a humane weapon and it is unacceptable to use it from a moral point of view. And in films they tried not to show it, if only with the Germans.
          Secondly, the flamethrower is difficult to use when shooting films. The flamethrower does not have "blank" charges, and it caused a headache for pyrotechnists.
        2. Jager
          Jager 20 November 2013 19: 51
          +3
          Unfortunately, there were no "shells" in Stalingrad yet. It was in the urban battles of Stalingrad that the idea of ​​assault brigades was born.
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 19 November 2013 17: 54
        +1
        The book is more about organization, misuse, and extremely few combat episodes. This article has more examples of the combat use of these brigades.
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 19 November 2013 18: 06
        +3
        Soviet military historians tried not to mention the existence of these units

        Having met references to them in other military memoirs, I was able to prove the reliability of the story while there was a book. They read it. Then no one believed.
        Flamethrowers are a completely different topic, also top secret!
    2. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 20 November 2013 00: 39
      +6
      the very first special forces for this purpose were formed in the Red Army in 1939. for the assault on the "Mannerheim Line" during the Finnish War. On their account not only ordinary bunkers, but also several "millionaires". An article with the memoirs of one of the members of these units in the "Soldier of Fortune" magazine. Unfortunately, I don't remember the number and year. They were armed and equipped with metallized suits for the passage of obstacles under electric current, Fedorov assault rifles, TNT bombs, grenades, and Nagant revolvers. Unfortunately, after the end of the Finnish War, the groups were disbanded as they consisted mainly of students of construction universities and young engineers who volunteered to fight and returned to work and study after the war!
  2. svskor80
    svskor80 19 November 2013 08: 41
    +9
    If I’m not mistaken, they began to form the first semblance of such units during the Battle of Stalingrad, evaluating their effectiveness in storming enemy points.
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 19 November 2013 10: 56
      +5
      By 30 on May 1943, the Supreme Command of the Supreme Command ordered the formation of the first assault engineer and combat brigades, which they created by reforming the engineer and engineer formations into assault. Thus, the 15 brigades were reorganized. The 1 I SISBR took its first battle in the area of ​​Spas-Demensk (Western Front) on 10 on August 1943 of the year.
      I found this on the Internet. Previously, "on paper" I read that they were first used in the Rzhev-Vyazemsk operation in 43, but I did not find confirmation on the Internet.
    2. LION
      LION 19 November 2013 11: 29
      27
      The creation of assault groups is prescribed by V.I. Chuikov. That's what he wrote about it himself.

      Assault Group Tactics

      Soldiers of the guard of senior lieutenant Dragan stormed the Stalingrad railway station, the nail plant, "Pavlov's House". Their actions teach: break into the house together - you and a grenade; both be lightly dressed - you are without a duffel bag, a grenade without a shirt; rush in like this: the grenade is in front, and you are behind it; go through the whole house again with a grenade - a grenade in front, and you follow.
      You can rely on this experience completely.
      The tactics of the assault group is based on the speed of action, the onslaught, the wide initiative and the audacity of each fighter. Flexibility in tactics is necessary for these groups because, bursting into a fortified building, falling into the labyrinth of rooms occupied by the enemy, they encounter a mass of surprises. Here the inexorable rule comes into force: keep up, turn around! At every step, the fighter is in danger. It doesn’t matter - to each corner of the room a grenade, and go! Machine queue for the remnants of the ceiling; few - a grenade, and again forward! Another room is a grenade! Turn - another grenade! Comb it automatically. And do not hesitate!
      Already inside the object itself, the enemy can launch a counterattack. Do not be afraid! You have already taken the initiative, it is in your hands. Act meaner with a grenade, automatic, knife and shovel. The fight inside the house is frantic. Therefore, always be prepared for the unexpected. Do not snooze!
      However, read it yourself.
      1. iConst
        iConst 19 November 2013 16: 52
        +1
        Quote: LION
        It doesn’t matter - to each corner of the room a grenade, and go! Machine queue for the remnants of the ceiling; few - a grenade, and again forward! Another room is a grenade! Turn - another grenade! Comb it automatically. And do not hesitate!

        Everything is chocolate, if ... there are plenty of pomegranates and a couple of squires in the wings.
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 20 November 2013 09: 09
          +3
          According to this principle, it’s like Amin’s palace was cleared. Then our doctor in the closet was accidentally killed sad .
    3. Gato
      Gato 19 November 2013 21: 27
      +5
      Quote: svskor80
      If I’m not mistaken, they began to form the first semblance of such units during the Battle of Stalingrad, evaluating their effectiveness in storming enemy points.

      Not certainly in that way. The tactics of assault groups began to be used (will you be surprised?) By the Germans during 1 MV. It was a kind of "asymmetric" response to the massive use of tanks as a way out of the positional deadlock.
      During the urban battles in Stalingrad, the Germans simply remembered the old tactics - they had enough commanders with experience in positional warfare of 1 MV (as far as I know, almost all of the senior officers).
      Armament: maximum grenades and explosives, fast-firing short-barrel and trench knives. I had somewhere a photo of that time, I will find it - I will post it.
      1. Kars
        Kars 19 November 2013 21: 43
        +6
        Quote: Gato
        During the city battles in Stalingrad, the Germans simply remembered the old tactics

        And why forget the assault on the Maginot line? After all, it was stormed, and not just bypassed.

        The assault on the pillboxes of the Stalin Line and the Kiev UR?
        1. Gato
          Gato 19 November 2013 22: 30
          +3
          Quote: Kars
          After all, she was stormed, and not only bypassed.

          They went around, but did not even storm.
          Most of the garrisons at the time of the capture of the Maginot line at the positions simply did not exist. The best proof of this is the almost complete preservation of the fortifications and infrastructure on this line.
          Unlike bunkers of the Kiev UR. Kars, did you see the pillboxes near Kiev? How thick and often are they located?
          1. Kars
            Kars 20 November 2013 14: 27
            +2
            Quote: Gato
            They went around, but did not even storm.

            Who said that?
            Quote: Gato
            The best proof of this is the almost complete preservation of the fortifications and infrastructure on this line.

            But that they should have been completely stormed? Each pillbox.
            Quote: Gato
            Unlike bunkers of the Kiev UR

            what unlike? there were both bunkers left immediately and those that defended for a long time.
          2. Kars
            Kars 20 November 2013 14: 28
            +4
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      2. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 24 November 2013 23: 01
        0
        Taschemta speak for the Soviet troops. It is believed that the likeness of assault brigades began to appear in Stalingrad from the USSR. Subsequently, it developed and improved. There appeared (or rather were recalled) body armor (or, if simple, a simple steel cuirass), the tactics of work were worked out (and this is not the last thing to be said in addition to supply). It was thanks to the assault brigades that appeared and gained combat experience in Stalingrad, the experience of urban battles, that the Soviet troops took any city in Europe, no matter how fortified it was with minimal destruction.
        The assault brigades from the Wehrmacht were in the early days of the war with which they passed the Molotov Lines and the Stalin Line, and in general they passed the Maginot Line as well (do not leave behind the enemy occupied zone in the rear?).
        The whole question is the ability to use their weapons. If a soldier has a rifle or machine gun, or a grenade, then the general has rifle divisions, assault brigades, tank battalions, etc. etc.
  3. Rinat 1
    Rinat 1 19 November 2013 08: 49
    14
    Great article. For the first time I learned about the existence of SHISBR by reading the history of the appearance of bulletproof vests, but their distinctive equipment in the form of steel bibs was simply indicated there. And in this article, the tactics of application and the history of the creation of this kind of troops are written. Thanks to the author for a good article.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 19 November 2013 21: 22
      +5
      The fact of the matter is that I knew about these assault brigades and cited them as an example to friends (who say they filled up the bodies with corpses). But I don’t remember how I learned.
  4. Stas57
    Stas57 19 November 2013 08: 53
    11
    very good analysis from Isaev
    The capture of the 236 mth Guards Rifle Regiment in the southwestern part of the main fortress “Citadel” of the Poznan fortress 18 — 23 on February 1945
    http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/0/archive/836/836828.htm
    Source: Fighting Rifle Regiment. Collection of military examples. M.: Military Publishing House, 1958, C.187-203.
    a photo
    http://dr-guillotin.livejournal.com/97319.html



    couple of quotes
    In addition to the specified weapons, the personnel of the assault groups had:
    - each shooter and machine gunner has 2 — 4 hand anti-personnel and anti-tank grenades;
    - each sapper has 2 — 3 explosive charge weighing from 0,5 to 2 kg,
    - for each department of chemists — according to 12 — 15 of drafts M-1;
    - in each flamethrower calculation, one additional charge for each knapsack flamethrower and 1 — 2 incendiary bottles.
    In each assault detachment, in turn, three assault groups were formed, consisting of a rifle company, reinforced by 1 — 2 machine guns, departments of machine gunners, sappers and chemists. In addition, each assault group was assigned one self-propelled artillery unit or a flamethrower tank and 1 — 2 guns of the caliber 45 — 76 mm.
    In each assault group, 2 — 4 capture groups were created consisting of 8 — 10 shooters and machine gunners, 1 — 2 sappers, 1 — 2 chemists, and 1 — 2 flamethrowers with backpack flamethrowers.


    ***
    The flamethrowers that were part of the capture subgroups through the loopholes and other holes hit the enemy with fire and burned him out of the premises.
    Sappers, at the direction of the commanders of the assault subgroups, using small explosive charges weighing from 0,5 to 2 kg, blew up the walls and doors of the casemates. Arrows and submachine gunners burst into the breaks formed from the explosions inside rooms and basements, destroying the enemy’s manpower with grenades and machine-gun fire.
    The artillery, tanks, and self-propelled artillery units that were part of the assault troops supported the units with fire from the ramparts, since the bridge over the rampart was built only on the night of 20 on 21 on February. Fire control of tanks, self-propelled artillery mounts and artillery during the assault on the fortress was concentrated in the hands of the regiment commander. At his direction, fire was fired at the enemy’s embrasures in the fortress wall and fortifications in order to support the actions of assault troops.
  5. George
    George 19 November 2013 09: 12
    +4
    The first 15 assault brigades began to form in the spring of the 1943 of the year.

    I wonder why they did not create such units in Finnish during the storming of the Manerheim line, where there were also enough bunkers?
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 19 November 2013 14: 53
      +7
      I wonder why they did not create such units in Finnish during the storming of the Manerheim line, where there were also enough bunkers?

      who told you this, if the author of the article is not up to date, I will tell you-
      In preparation for the breakthrough of the main defensive line, regimental and division sappers were used in reconnaissance and to set up the passages in the anti-tank and anti-personnel barriers of the front line of defense to tilt the enemy. The device of passes in the grooves was carried out subversively. The approaches to the front edge were mined. Night reconnaissance of structures and barriers was conducted by sappers continuously. The assault teams, in the order of reconnaissance of the enemy’s structures, clarified the nature of the structures, and, if necessary, made explosions.

      A typical example of such actions is the undermining of pillboxes No. 44 and 45 and two timber-earth structures in the same resistance node.

      In the area of ​​the 355 and 331 rifle regiments of the 100 rifle division, a combat platoon of the 45 separate detachment battalion and a rifle platoon of the 90 rifle regiment were allocated for blocking pillbox No. 355. The blocking of the bunker was provided by the 4 company of the same regiment. By the end of February 1, the bunker was blocked by arrows and sappers, but due to large losses of sappers (there were 7 people left in the ranks), they could not be blown up. The remnants of the blocking group have moved to their original position.

      In 21. 00 1 February, the commander of the 90-th battalion was ordered to lead the group and destroy pillbox No. 45. On the night of 2 on 3 on February, a group consisting of the company of the 355 rifle regiment, two squads of sappers, two T-26 tanks blocked the pillbox No. 44. Enemy fire prevented the laying of charges against the walls of the bunker, and they were laid on its cover, while the total weight of the charges was 1200 kg. In 4. On February 20 3, pillbox No. 44 was destroyed by an explosion, and the company of the 355 rifle regiment occupied its remains. The explosion of DotA No. 44 made it possible to complete the operation for the final destruction of DotA No. 45 [25].

      Nevertheless, private attacks, as examples show, did not have a clear organization and led to large losses.


      ***
      The order demanded organized private attacks to storm and capture the bunkers. In essence, this order provided for the main provisions of the instructions for organizing and preparing assault squads. The expediency of this kind of instruction was due to the need to give new forms of offensive combat a logically complete look, that is, to ensure its ultimate goal.

      The work on the creation of the instruction and its subsequent implementation is figuratively shown in the book of the Hero of the Soviet Union, Colonel General A.F. Khrenov (at that time the chief of the engineering troops of the 7 Army)

      The sappers from 12 to 20 on February 1940, who were part of the assault groups, blew up 320 defenses, including 7 in the offensive zone of the 279 Army. But the main task was to storm and destroy the long-term structures that form the basis of the Finnish defense. Of the indicated number of destroyed structures, 90 are powerful reinforced concrete pillboxes, shelters and observation posts. Moreover, 70 long-term structures were destroyed in the offensive zone of the 7 Army
      read, very interesting
      http://www.xliby.ru/istorija/shturmovye_brigady_krasnoi_armii_v_boyu/p2.php#n_28

      Nikolai Ivanovich Nikoforov FROM ENGINEERING FOR STORM TO ASSESSING ENGINEERING-ENGINEERING brigades
      everything is arranged on the shelves, in contrast to the article above, where the author was more interested in propaganda, rather than a real story
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 20 November 2013 02: 35
        +2
        Stas, the creation of assault engineering and sapper groups to solve short-term tasks and the formation of units and formations on an ongoing basis, with their own staffing and training system are two different things. hi
        1. George
          George 20 November 2013 09: 57
          +1
          Quote: chehywed
          Stas, the creation of assault engineering and sapper groups to solve short-term tasks and the formation of units and formations on an ongoing basis, with their own staffing and training system are two different things. hi

          I support Vladimir.
  6. KABAN009
    KABAN009 19 November 2013 09: 24
    +3
    article has already been
  7. Ols76
    Ols76 19 November 2013 09: 39
    +7
    Thanks to the author for a good article.
  8. SLAVA
    SLAVA 19 November 2013 09: 53
    +5
    Yes, it has been erased and forgotten in such a way that I have never even heard of anything like it. Great article!
  9. 505506
    505506 19 November 2013 09: 53
    +7
    Thanks to the author! And even if the article already existed, the data about it were "erased and forgotten" so reliably that it is worth recalling once again! It is not clear, however, who "erased and forgot" and why?
  10. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 19 November 2013 09: 56
    +6
    What we have - we do not store, having lost - weep.
    1. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. 19 November 2013 19: 13
      +1
      How wise the Russian people are, in their 24 years they have repeatedly been convinced that proverbs and sayings are written, if not with blood, then later, for sure!
  11. svp67
    svp67 19 November 2013 10: 27
    +2
    fighters of these units are not shown in the movies
    The only film where they were shown briefly is "White Tiger", and that of the modern ... But our "panzerniki" are "special people", truly "platinum fund". In general, we do not know VERY much about the history of our army and country in that war, and in others the same ...
  12. Chaplain
    Chaplain 19 November 2013 11: 10
    +3
    I am grateful for the article, but a lot of husk and little knowledge of the author about the post-war army structure, about the types and methods of training and mobilization in the units of the regular army, soldiers, officers for special units. It would not be superfluous to recall the use of military units during the fighting in the Caucasus 90s and Afghanistan in the 80s.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 21 November 2013 15: 05
      +1
      But, unfortunately, in 1946, the bulk of the assault engineering and combat engineer brigades was demobilized, and then they were disbanded one by one.
      Quote: ChapelN
      Thank you for the article, but a lot of husk and low awareness of the author about the post-war army
      I myself served in an assault engineer-sapper battalion, ZabVO 1982-84. But then they already told us - "Our battalion is one of the last".
  13. leon-iv
    leon-iv 19 November 2013 11: 18
    +5
    Good article.
    By the way, it shows well that the specialized parts are not a panacea, but a subtle mechanism that for good efficiency should be correctly applied.
    Apparently, it didn’t occur to the old marshals that if something survived during the nuclear cataclysm, it was underground forts and bunkers. Perhaps, only assault engineering and engineer brigades could “open” them.

    But this is nonsense. Just at that time, the fire weapons and the accuracy of the guidance changed. As well as the development of aviation weapons.
    1. Gato
      Gato 19 November 2013 23: 11
      0
      Quote: leon-iv
      But this is nonsense. Just at that time, the fire weapons and the accuracy of the guidance changed. As well as the development of aviation weapons

      Precisely said. Someone saw the results of the use of aviation special ammunition (not nuclear), and for example concrete-caliber bombs under 1.5t?
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 19 November 2013 12: 13
    +1
    The infantry reserve units of the reserve of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief were also equipped, the last argument in battles in the offensive or defense, when the victory scales froze in the middle, they overturned it in favor of the Soviet troops.
  15. ed65b
    ed65b 19 November 2013 12: 20
    +3
    The star recently showed a film about attack aircraft. A veteran told how they fought and took a fortress in Pest. They took it 4 times, they will take it, the Germans will knock it over to the infantry, they will storm again. He told me how a German shot him from a machine gun and I say I’m not dying, the cuirass is ringing already, bullets fly off, the German bulging his eyes cannot understand, well there it is with bulging eyes and lay down.
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 19 November 2013 12: 24
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      The star recently showed a film about attack aircraft.

      Hello. Do not tell me what the movie was called? Thanks in advance.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 19 November 2013 14: 29
      +9
      Dad said that there were assault companies, dressed in cuirasses and with machine guns. They were thrown for a breakthrough, 200-300 PPSh barrels - "The boys were making a rustle" - his words. soldier
    3. xan
      xan 19 November 2013 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      He told me how a German shot him from a machine gun and I say I’m not dying, the cuirass is ringing already, bullets fly off, the German bulging his eyes cannot understand, well there it is with bulging eyes and lay down.

      Somewhere already heard about it, but from the Germans. One captured German recalled his shock state when he could not kill a Russian.
    4. Gato
      Gato 19 November 2013 22: 59
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      the German shot him from a machine gun and I say I’m not dying, the cuirass is ringing already, the bullets fly off

      Did you ever get into (God forbid) sometime, well, suppose a 9 mm bullet from a PM, if you are in a bronzer, naturally? I assure you, the feeling is not weak. MP, as far as I know, also had a 9mm caliber and a larger initial speed. Therefore, I doubt that you can stand the line, and then also look at the expression on the eyes of the shooter. Well, bang it later.
      1. apostrophe
        apostrophe 20 November 2013 09: 33
        +5
        As I understand it, you got into you? Then think about how the energy of the bullet is distributed when it falls into the modern body armor (what exactly is it all about?) And the all-steel cuirass, the difference is obvious in my opinion.
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 20 November 2013 14: 55
        +1
        On those armor plates, the lower part could be lifted and mounted at some angle. As a result, part of the body was opened, but the rest covered was better protected due to the angle of inclination of the armor plate and could withstand an automatic bullet over 50 m. Yes, and the steel on the armor was not simple.
      3. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 24 November 2013 23: 09
        0
        You didn't take into account a small thing - adrenaline. And when it stands out so much that from the ears rushing, then there and "without legs" you will run. Plus the "People's Commissars". Of course there will be consequences (breakouts, bruises, cracks), but not fatal.
  16. Vadim2013
    Vadim2013 19 November 2013 12: 24
    +2
    Interesting article. I didn’t know about it before.
  17. Alekseev
    Alekseev 19 November 2013 12: 55
    +3
    Now they "put" on the experience of fathers and grandfathers.
    It is easy to imagine how less heavy the assault on a famous city would have been if the army had a couple of such manned units, and with heavy assault BMPs and self-propelled guns and modern reconnaissance and communications equipment.
    But so far there is silence in this matter. The MO leadership, as the classic wrote, "is silent, does not give an answer." request
  18. kush62
    kush62 19 November 2013 13: 00
    +1
    Yes, not all of us know about the battles in World War II. I have not even heard of such units. Thanks for the informative article.
  19. Poruchik 90
    Poruchik 90 19 November 2013 13: 01
    35
    My grandfather
    Senior sergeant Lukanin Nikolay Grigoryevich.
    The sergeant Lukanin, the commander of the 10th assault engineering and combat engineer brigade division of the RGC, died in battle on January 12, 1944 near the village of Zaronovo, Gorodovsky district, Vitebsk region.

    In 1943 he was awarded the Order of the Red Star.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 19 November 2013 13: 16
      13
      Poruchik 90 "My grandfather
      Senior Sergeant Lukanin Nikolai Grigorievich. "
      Heroic grandfather !!! Eternal memory to him!
    2. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. 19 November 2013 19: 15
      +3
      Thanks to your grandfather!
  20. SIT
    SIT 19 November 2013 13: 28
    11
    Of course now it’s no wonder to get confused, because special forces whom only do not call names. In particular, commandos mentioned by the author are sabotage reconnaissance units that have nothing to do with assault groups. Another statement by the author that it is certainly easier for scouts to take a drunken tongue than for stormtroopers during an assault. The author of the Great Patriotic War for 7 languages ​​taken gave the Hero of the Union. So not many who succeeded. For the first time, the assault groups were actually used by the Germans in World War I, but they didn’t appear in the USSR at all in 1. Here is a photo of the fire support unit of the engineer-assault assault group in the Finnish war.
    On the tactics of the assault units. This is not just a throw ahead of brave trained fighters in cuirasses. This is a well-coordinated work of all the components of this unit, which included not only sappers. In the Soviet Army, 2 types of assault units were used: a battalion assault detachment and a company assault group. Here is an excerpt from

    For administrative use


    MEMORIES
    TO THE COMMANDER OF THE STORM ASSEMBLY AND THE ASSEMBLY GROUP
    ON DRIVING OFFENSIVE BATTLE IN A LARGE CITY

    The composition of the assault group depends on the nature of the object attacked by it, the degree of its strengthening and the strength of the defenders. Approximately the assault group includes, from a platoon to an infantry company, 1-2 squadrons of sappers, 3-5 knapsack flamethrowers, 2-3 chemists with smoke and ignition tools, an anti-tank rifle compartment, 3-4 guns (caliber 45, 76, 122 mm and in some cases 152 mm) and 2-3 tanks or self-propelled guns.
    By the nature of the tasks performed and the interaction within the group, the composition of the assault group is divided into:
    a) a subgroup of attack, which includes submachine gunners, knapsack flamethrowers, sappers, bombers, chemists with smoke, as well as tanks or self-propelled guns;
    b) a fire subgroup, which includes easel machine gunners, anti-tank rifles, snipers, mortars and gunners;
    c) the control unit, which includes the signalmen (with the means of communication - telephone, walkie-talkie), signal men-missiles, messengers and 2-3 machine gunners to guard the observation post of the commander of the assault group.


    As can be seen from the composition of the assault unit, there are not only fighters in cuirasses, but a number of different units, and of course the success of such a unit primarily depends on combat coordination and clear interaction. This has little to do with Rambams and supermen. The fact that all this was forgotten is also incorrect. The tactics of the assault group in urban development are in our instructions and in the Field Manuals of our sworn friends sad
  21. vagabo
    vagabo 19 November 2013 14: 27
    +4
    Thank you for the article! I knew about the existence of Panzernik units before, but this is the first time I've come across such detailed information. Impressed by the scale - 20 brigades!
    A little clarification about the enemy. The Germans did not forget about their invention from the time of WW1. In World War II, they had storm pioneers with about the same range of tasks.
    1. mamba
      mamba 19 November 2013 19: 07
      +6
      Quote: vagabo
      In World War II, they had storm pioneers with about the same range of tasks.

      My uncle Lvov Vasily Andreevich ordinary reconnaissance 508th p. 174th s.d. 62nd s.k. The 22nd Army participated in battles to defend the Polotsk fortified area. It was July 1941. His regiment heroically fought in the southwestern and southern directions of the defense of Polotsk. In total, against the six divisions of the 22nd Army defending in a 280-km-long zone, the Nazis concentrated 16 divisions. On July 15, assault groups of the 2nd b.p. Germans. Unexpectedly for the attackers, one of the first-line pillboxes opened machine-gun fire. He was supported by bunkers of the second line and regimental artillery of the 508th sp. The fight dragged on. Only after destroying part of the fighters of the 508th SP, and forcing the other part to retreat and having suffered losses, did the German assault groups begin the siege of the pillboxes. Using flamethrowers and subversive charges, the 18th p.p. Germans by 13.00 destroyed 5 bunkers and broke through the defense of Soviet troops. On July 16, the Germans captured Nevel, completing the encirclement of units of the 174th SD and 62nd S.K. Until July 21, the 174th Socialist-Revolutionary, 62nd Social-Democratic and other units departing from the Polotsk direction were surrounded in the Novokholmsk area. 174th s.d. and the units attached to it succeeded not only in maintaining personnel and combat readiness, but also in removing heavy weapons, equipment and materiel from the environment. That's just my uncle went missing in the region of Polotsk-Velikie Luki, and most likely died there.
  22. Stas57
    Stas57 19 November 2013 14: 28
    +3
    The Soviet military historians tried not to mention the existence of these divisions, the fighters of these divisions are not shown in the movies, and the accusers of the “worthless Stalin” keep silent about them.

    offhand -Soviet military historians tried not to mention, the soldiers of these units are not shown in the movies many films or books are devoted actually to sappers? those who, under bombs and shells, built belt crossings in ice water? many books or films devoted to the hardest work of technicians in the tbr and so on? aircraft technicians? those who in the cold and in the rain sorted out engines, evacuated on themselves parts of the equipment from the neutral and so on? The troops are waiting, those that restored the path under shelling and bombing ...
    and the list can be continued for a long time.

    Indeed, in the view of the Soviet people, the Red Army soldiers of the Great Patriotic War are exhausted people in dirty overcoats, who rush in attack after tanks, or tired elderly men who smoke on the parapet of a cigarette trench. After all, precisely such shots were mainly captured by military newsreels

    You will be surprised, but the stormtroopers presented above are not Ramba in numbers, but all the same tired men, in burnt sennels, smoking cigarettes, often just recently waving an ax, or removing mines from the neutral

    Most of the belligerents during the war began to realize that the classical infantry was simply incapable of performing many specific tasks. Most of the belligerents began to realize that the classical infantry was simply incapable of performing many specific tasks. This was the impetus for the creation of commando battalions in Britain, in the United States - army ranger units, in Germany part of the motorized infantry was reformed into "panzergrenadiers". Starting its great offensive in the 1943 year, the Red Army was faced with the problem of significant losses during operations to capture the German fortifications, as well as in street battles.

    that it’s just some kind of mess.
    and more ...
    The very idea of ​​SISBR (assault engineering and combat engineer brigades) was taken from the Germans, or rather, from the Kaiser army.

    were we stupid and didn’t guess from 16 to 43? or were the goals and objectives different, and after a turning point in the war, did the need for assault units appear?

    The Germans themselves, apparently counting on a “blitzkrieg”, had forgotten about their experience - and then they stomped for a considerable time near Sevastopol and in Stalingrad.

    epic ...
    On the fourth day of the fighting in Brest, in three infantry regiments of the 45th Wehrmacht Infantry Division, assault groups of sappers and infantrymen were formed to capture the strongholds that remained until now in the hands of Red Army fighters.
    they were used in August and September, but the fact that in Stalingrad--
    time
    http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/s211.eky5cfropzk88gk4ow4wcwoww.
    ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg
    dvas
    http://newzz.in.ua/uploads/posts/2011-03/1301343271_24s.jpg
    tris
    http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/a_10756_1.84rfw0qq11wc4kcogww04
    408s.ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg
    I didn’t read further, already this was enough for me to understand the level of material
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 19 November 2013 14: 32
      +4
      The Germans themselves, apparently counting on a “blitzkrieg”, had forgotten about their experience - and then they stomped for a considerable time near Sevastopol and in Stalingrad.


      photo from stalingrad

      German assault group in Stalingrad





      German assault group on the outskirts of Stalingrad.

      but ours


      Soviet assault group in Stalingrad, 1942, ed. Zelma. WITH
    2. Stas57
      Stas57 19 November 2013 14: 55
      +1
      But Sevostopol
  23. Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 19 November 2013 14: 44
    +4
    Something similar has already happened, but anyway +, repetition of mother teaching lol
    Also, ingenious portable frames were used to launch the Soviet M-300 heavy 31-mm missiles.
    The missile is not quite rightly called MB36 or M-30.
    He was nicknamed "Ivan Dolbai" or "Luka Mu..shchev" but the surname was rarely used, mainly in his own way "Luka" bully
    I think from the photo it’s understandable why they called it so.
  24. Ulan
    Ulan 19 November 2013 14: 59
    +1
    If there really is nothing about these fighters in films and on TV, this does not mean at all that those who are seriously interested in the stories of World War II did not know anything about this and no materials were published.
  25. iSpoiler
    iSpoiler 19 November 2013 15: 41
    +3
    That damn cho for ... minus slammed such an article .. ??
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 19 November 2013 15: 58
      +5
      I set for general wretchedness and phrases like
      The main goal of the ShISBr fighters was not drunken single “languages”, but powerful fortifications on the Eastern Front.

      "drunk tongues" especially delivered and showed the level of the anonymous author who piled a wretched article
      you compare this nonsense with exactly the same a year ago, only in that non-anonymous one, everything is much better said, there plus is deserved
      http://topwar.ru/2249-shturmovye-brigady.html
    2. Eugeniy_369
      Eugeniy_369 19 November 2013 16: 18
      0
      Quote: iSpoiler
      That damn Cho for a nerd minus slammed such an article .. ??

      Yes, not a current article .... but he helped bully , due to future merits drinks
  26. Lexsir
    Lexsir 19 November 2013 15: 47
    +1
    Svanidze is indignant, only the detachments had bibs! Interestingly written.
  27. ISO
    ISO 19 November 2013 16: 06
    +2
    Something since 1943 is somehow a bit late, but who then picked up the Mannerheim line in a Finnish company? Similar methods were used; in an article about a Finnish company on this site about similar units, copper suits were also mentioned for overcoming the barb under voltage
  28. mithridate
    mithridate 19 November 2013 16: 59
    0
    more articles on such little-disclosed topics
  29. igordok
    igordok 19 November 2013 17: 03
    +2
    Who cares;
    The actions of tanks as part of the assault group in the attack bunker and bunker.pdf
    http://yadi.sk/d/kyP2XR4l6hr4O
  30. Kolovrat77
    Kolovrat77 19 November 2013 17: 30
    +2
    Yes, the article is, of course, good, but it may be the opinion of some too susceptible audience that scouts are parasites and loafers, and tomorrow, the same Mrs. Latynina, will complain that the intelligence (not even knowing which one) was eating its bread in vain and because of this .... and this is hard work.

    Well, hand-to-hand combat is understandable (the fighter forms its offensive impulse, etc., etc.), and why throw axes? Of course it’s cool to show off, but it’s better to take an extra grenade into battle.

    With the development of individual automatic small arms under an intermediate cartridge, solid metal bibs lost their relevance, so to speak, and motorized rifle (airborne) units, after the Second World War, were obliged to study the tactics of the assault groups (those who immediately started to cry, but they were disbanded and we all). Correct in error if something is wrong.
    1. Evgenij.
      Evgenij. 19 November 2013 19: 42
      +3
      and the motorized rifle (airborne) units, after the Second World War, were obliged to study the tactics of the assault groups (those who immediately began to cry, but they were disbanded and their coffins - and we all)
      I agree, modern special forces use those developments.
      and why throw axes?
      I think in order to inspire the soldier to believe in themselves, they teach melee assault
      1. Kolovrat77
        Kolovrat77 20 November 2013 10: 44
        +1
        There are RB with weapons, there are without weapons, the rest is optional. And first of all, the commander-faithful friend and comrade of the fighter inspires confidence in himself and his weapon in the fighter, in the second tough sparring with comrades to the bloody yushka, and in the third good news from home. And the axes, Eugene throwing in the circus and even the Indians, remember James Fenimore Cooper --- Lesha bent down, and in zh.ope Indian Egor aptly sweeps. Something like this Correct me in my errors.
    2. your1970
      your1970 26 January 2016 10: 20
      0
      Engineering-sapper - the probability of an ax at hand is 100% difference from infantry, the means at hand should be cut, it is necessary - swords ....
  31. igordok
    igordok 19 November 2013 17: 44
    +5
    It seems to me that in 1845, the basics of the assault groups were already determined.
    Manual for the occupation, defense and attack of forests, villages, ravines and other local objects ..pdf
    http://yadi.sk/d/VcdIH_pNCx2pj
    1. penguin
      penguin 21 November 2013 21: 05
      0
      Do you only have a scan (photo) of the title or is there an entire edition? It would be interesting to read.
  32. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 19 November 2013 19: 01
    +1
    the full combat load reached 80 kg, and it was also necessary to fight in hand-to-hand combat, jump over the ruins, did the word "shibzik" come from them?
  33. Victor Alekseev
    Victor Alekseev 19 November 2013 19: 46
    +4
    grandfather’s brother fought in ShSIB, died in the spring of 1943
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  35. waisson
    waisson 19 November 2013 20: 09
    0
    this practice went further served in an enterent platoon but behind a cardon
  36. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 19 November 2013 22: 26
    +1
    Thanks for the good article! I remember in "Technology of Youth", in 1973 there was an article about sappers in armor. I couldn’t believe it, but no, there were, after all!
  37. rodevaan
    rodevaan 20 November 2013 02: 25
    +1
    Great stuff! Plus article!
    It’s high time to debunk all sorts of Russophobic and anti-Russian myths invented in the West for watering by Mr. Great Army and our great soldiers!
  38. Horst78
    Horst78 20 November 2013 08: 56
    0
    sapper blades
    As far as I know, this is a small infantry shovel (MPL-50). http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%85%D
    0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0
    PS I did not serve in the army if I corrected the mistake.
    1. Vidok
      Vidok 20 November 2013 12: 14
      0
      That's right. Well, not BSL-110 (Bolshaya Sapernaya Shovel 110cm.) But throw ... Although, the ballistics is probably somewhat different, and so ..
  39. ivankovski
    ivankovski 20 November 2013 11: 27
    +1
    About such fighters from V.S. Vysotsky has a song "Black jackets" called
  40. ivankovski
    ivankovski 20 November 2013 11: 32
    +6
    Here is the text, a good song, but you don’t immediately understand the meaning ...

    Behind us were falls, sunsets,
    Well, at least an insignificant, well, at least an invisible take-off!
    I want to believe that our black jackets are black
    They will give us the opportunity today to see the sunrise.

    Today in public they said: Die heroically!
    Let's try - okay! We will see what a turn.
    I just thought strangers smoking cigarettes:
    Then who knows how, it’s important for me to see the sunrise.

    A special company is a special honor for a sapper.
    Do not jump with a fin on my back from the branches,
    Trying in vain - I'm with a throat cut
    Today I will see the sunrise to my denouement.

    We walked to the rear, holding on, so as not to cut them sleepy,
    And suddenly I noticed when they bit through the passage, -
    Still thoughtless, green, but sensitive sunflower
    Already turned the top of his sunrise.

    Behind our back at six thirty - I know -
    Not only falls, sunsets, but rise and rise.
    Two wires bare, grinding my teeth, grinding, -
    I did not see the sunrise, but I realized: just about - and it would rise.

    ... A thinned company is leaving back to us.
    What was - is not important, but only the exploded fort is important.
    I want to believe that our rough work
    You are given the opportunity to see duty-free sunrise.
    1. alex86
      alex86 21 November 2013 21: 33
      +1
      But it really, really suits, always appreciated the song for the mention of sappers, but in the context of the article everything is seen much wider ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 26 January 2016 10: 23
      0
      The sappers of black pea jackets did not wear, here it is rather about the Marine Corps.
  41. Platov
    Platov 20 November 2013 13: 34
    +2
    War is hard work for everyone from the cook to the general and from the nurse to the marshal. My father told me how he saved himself from starvation by accidentally tucking a glass of soy. And when the troops came from the western front after the victory, "we looked like ragamuffins against their background. And our advanced technology is antediluvian against their background."
  42. umeletz
    umeletz 20 November 2013 13: 41
    +1
    The article is excellent. I want to tell everyone who is trying, has tried and will try to somehow spit in our past with you. Guys and girls, try to take the same bunker without saving, endless ammunition and self-healing health. Who can, or has already done so, my bow to you. And a special bow to the earth to all those who 70 years ago did not consider this a feat.
  43. Shot
    Shot 20 November 2013 20: 45
    0
    Great article. Here is a movie about them to make.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 22 November 2013 13: 25
      +2
      Great article. Here is a movie about them to make.

      the article is wretched, illiterate and abusive for very many, for scouts (drunk tongues of which they are just standing), for Soviet soldiers rushing into embrasures, for our officers and generals, who, judging by the stats, are only in the middle. the war remembered the stewards, and before that they stupidly drove people to slaughter.
      Where is the finnish experience? where is the explanation of 41go? etc
      ---
      and a movie is possible, but it’s better not to, anyway a poppycock will come out, or 3D for youngsters, or a squadron pushing in the back automatically ...

      read better here http://topwar.ru/2249-shturmovye-brigady.html and not this anonymous crafts.
  44. Snoop
    Snoop 21 November 2013 06: 06
    +1
    This topic is not fully disclosed. In Soviet times, this was not secret, but it was not trumpeted in all directions. In our unprofitable anti-Stalinists. This is my first encounter with SHISBR in works about the war of Soviet writers. At Baklanov's time, there attack aircraft were called armored infantry, they said steel helmets, steel plates.
  45. Dikremnij
    Dikremnij 21 November 2013 17: 30
    +1
    SHISBr is the direct heir to the assault platoons of the infantry and grenadier regiments of the RIA, who are interested, read the article:
    http://www.rusantikvar.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=175
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 22 November 2013 00: 14
      +1
      - But their opponents;
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 22 November 2013 00: 15
        -1
        - And their weapons ...
        1. Stas57
          Stas57 22 November 2013 13: 16
          0
          with what interruption did the 16 year Austrians become opponents of our 44go assault troops?
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 22 November 2013 18: 59
            0
            See Dikremnij comment! smile "RIA infantry and grenadier regiments ..."
            1. Stas57
              Stas57 22 November 2013 19: 19
              0
              sorry, to blame)))
  46. penguin
    penguin 21 November 2013 21: 12
    0
    everything new is well forgotten old. still in the subject who does not remember the past that has no future. it comes to mind after reading.
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  50. annakarbest
    annakarbest 23 November 2013 15: 52
    0
    Hi All, I need new friends! I am glad to see you!