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America becomes a paper tiger

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America becomes a paper tiger

The year is not over yet, but the White House is fit to declare it a failure. Having received three holes from Snowden, Syria and Shatdaun, the flagship of the free world loses its financial buoyancy, stripping the bottom of the reputational reefs and dropping guns overboard. And from the sinking ship the allies had already fled.


In the context of the global crisis and the need to save on government spending, the Barack Obama administration is forced to moderate the appetites of the Pentagon. For the next ten years, the 650 billion-dollar defense spending is planned, of which 83 billion is due next year. If Congress voted in favor of such a decision in January, the size of the American army could be reduced from 570 thousand to 380 thousand people and the United States, according to Defense Minister Leon Panetta, will lose superpower status, becoming a “paper tiger” ".

Chief of Staff of the US Army, General Ray Odierno (Ray Odierno) believes that the armed forces of the country will not be able to successfully conduct combat operations outside the country. His concerns are fully shared by the authors of a report prepared by the well-known intelligence and analysis company Stratfor. They primarily pay attention to the weakening of the American military presence in such vital regions for the US as the Persian Gulf and Central Asia. In the future, the Navy, due to lack of funds, will be forced to “anchor” four of the nine existing carrier-based aircraft wings.

Analysts at Stratfor and Ray Odierno are equally alarmed by the negative impact of the sequestration of the military budget on the combat readiness of the army and fleet. So, in March of this year, because of the cost overruns for the operation in Afghanistan, the Pentagon was forced to shrink the training program for various combat units. “The number of fighters professionally trained for military operations has seriously fallen,” the general complains. “Now the army has two fully trained brigades. Just two!”

Perhaps the moans of Ray Odierno would have aroused more sympathy if it were not for the numerous loud financial scandals in which the defense department is involved with enviable regularity. The latter broke out in mid-October when it became clear that the Pentagon had overpaid more than $ 16,5 million of the Boeing aerospace corporation as part of a contract for the production of CH-47F Chinook helicopter transport helicopters with a total value of $ 4,4 billion. details, demanding to pay them as new. Just a week before, it became known that, with the 2007 of the year, the US Air Force spent more than $ 560 million on the purchase of a C-21J Spartans 27 aircraft, 16 of which immediately ended up on ... "aircraft cemetery" - Davis-Monten air base in the state of Arizona. The five remaining machines that are in the process of assembly are likely to face the same fate.

Now the Pentagon will probably have to count every cent. In order to save, the Ministry of Defense plans to even liquidate the Office of the General Assessment (Office of Net Assessment) and dismiss the legendary head of this division of 92-year-old Andrew Marshall (Andrew W. Marshall). Having received the nickname Yoda for his intelligence and outward resemblance to the character of "Star Wars", he rightfully earned the reputation of "master of forecast and analytics." Marshall predicted the fall of the Soviet Union and the rise of China, was the author of the concept of protracted nuclear war and the "military doctrine" of George W. Bush, brought up such American "hawks" as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. But neither former merit, nor high-ranking defenders, most likely, will not save the surviving 13 Defense Ministers Marshall and his administration. Price issue - saving 10 million dollars a year! Such a trifle for the Pentagon, but it best describes the degree of financial difficulties of the defense ministry.

The administration of Barack Obama and the Republican majority in Congress have different views on how and how much the Pentagon budget should be cut. And there is no doubt that hot battles will unfold on Capitol Hill on this issue, because the military and their contractors have a strong lobby in both houses of the US parliament. However, even now it is obvious that the internal problems of the United States have greatly shaken their positions on the world stage and adversely affected relations with the allies.

The first alarming signal for Washington was the refusal of 12 of NATO partners, including the loyal Britain, to participate in the operation against Syria. In a global crisis, war is too expensive, the Europeans justified. The theme of the lack of money was also a refrain sounded at the end of October at the summit of defense ministers of the North Atlantic Alliance held in Brussels. Over the past 13 years, European countries have reduced their defense spending by an average of 15 percent. A hole in the NATO budget was proposed to plug Washington. He, in turn, insists on joint participation in solving this problem. The controversy flared up and the Alliance General Secretary Anders Fogh Rasmussen had to intervene: "If current defense spending trends continue, it will limit the practical ability of European NATO countries to work together with their North American allies." During the debate, it turned out that, apart from financial issues, the allies on both sides of the Atlantic have diverging views on the European missile defense system, reforming the NATO structure and reducing the size of the command structure of the block.

Mercantile basis is becoming more and more obvious in relations between the United States and its main Asian ally, Pakistan. While Washington annually tossed Islamabad for $ 2 billion on a joint "fight against terrorism" and sold weapons at a decent discount, the latter was loyal and obedient. But it cost two years ago the United States to temporarily suspend financial cooperation, as Islamabad stopped passing cargo through its territory for the US Army and its allies in Afghanistan. The White House blamed Pakistan for supporting the Taliban and threatened retaliation. The head of the Pakistani Foreign Ministry Hina Rabbani Khar (Hina Rabbani Khar) quite firmly stated: "You can lose your ally. Do not make an outcast from Pakistan ... otherwise you will have to answer for your choice." The Foreign Minister was unanimously supported by the leaders of the country's security forces. The relations of the allies cooled so much that in October of this year, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was invited to Washington, to whom the Obama administration promised assistance in the amount of $ 1,16 billion. True, the allocation of these funds must be approved by Congress, and there the White House will have to negotiate with Republicans.

Still not having understood relations with one ally, the United States received a stab in the back from another. October 22 The head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, announced the possible withdrawal of cooperation with the United States. The main American partner in the Gulf zone was infuriated by Washington’s refusal from a military strike against Syria, which Riyadh considered a deal already resolved. No less negative emotions the Saudis experienced after learning of Barack Obama’s desire to start a dialogue with the new leadership of Iran - the irreconcilable enemy of Saudi Arabia in the region. Washington’s contacts with Tehran were strongly rejected by Israel’s main Middle Eastern ally. From the podium of the UN General Assembly, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said: "Israel will not allow Iran to get nuclear weapon. And if Israel is alone, then it will act alone. "

This is reminiscent of a riot on the ship when the authority of the captain falls below the waterline. And if the captain does not suppress him, then either he will fly overboard, or he will hang out on the plane. There is no third.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 7 November 2013 15: 27
    28
    Well, what did you want, if the states begin to lose their power, then even the Balts or Poles with Romanians will wipe their feet without speaking about others, remember the Soviet Union, everything repeats !!!
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 7 November 2013 20: 06
      31
      Quote: AVV
      even the Balts or Poles with Romanians will wipe about them


      The problem is not who will wipe his feet, but where Russia will be. We have more than enough "friends" around us, and the fall of the United States will simply put some China in the first place in our region. And the Saudis can annoy the Caucasus.
      Therefore, we do not need to count American "pluses", but our achievements in politics and economics. And with this it is not ice yet request . We will wait someday, with such a policy we ourselves will be in the role of a rug.
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 7 November 2013 20: 26
        +6
        I have a different idea - let the captain hang out with the team on a stick.
        the sight will please everyone.
        1. Versed
          Versed 8 November 2013 00: 23
          -45 qualifying.
          The scoop shamefully fell apart Now in Russia’s pauper they dream about the fall of the USA

          Russia will shamefully fall apart, and people will continue to dream of the fall of the United States

          laughing

          Centuries pass, and the Russian people are stepping on the same rake, nothing is changing - national fun)))
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 8 November 2013 00: 26
            11
            And what kind of people do you relate to?
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 8 November 2013 01: 28
              12
              Quote: Alex 241
              And what kind of people do you relate to?

              To the fabulous: the troll .... For trolls live in their fairy world.
            2. dmitrich
              dmitrich 8 November 2013 03: 31
              +6
              most likely to corrupt.
          2. dark_65
            dark_65 8 November 2013 05: 31
            +5
            rare tolerast (synonym for another word)
          3. DimychDV
            DimychDV 8 November 2013 10: 22
            +3
            However, over the course of these centuries, brother, more than once Russia fell apart and suffered temporary workers ... And then she got up, gave the teeth to the graves and again cast into the empire. Somehow, probably, this form is more familiar to successful Russian politicians. I’m not talking about the people - no one has ever asked him. However, people defeated the Troubles 400 years ago. And again he set kings on himself.
          4. maxvik
            maxvik 8 November 2013 11: 20
            +2
            That's it - centuries, even a millennium! Not many can hold on for so long.
            1. Versed
              Versed 9 November 2013 05: 42
              -4
              What to hold on to whom? what other millennia? you have porridge in your head laughing

              The Russian Empire collapsed in 1917, the Scoop shamefully fell apart in 1991 - these states are no more

              Russia (new), as a state, only 22 years old laughing Soon it will fall apart.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 9 November 2013 06: 55
                +1
                Quote: Versed
                Russia (new), as a state, all 22 of the year Soon it will fall apart.

                Well, damn it, Losers! It was necessary to study better at school so as not to confuse the concepts of "country", "state" and "form of government."
                RUSSIA (Russia) has existed for centuries, and will remain idle for centuries. A form of state. board ... will be in accordance with the choice of the people of our country.
                "Every nation has the government it deserves" (from a letter from the envoy of the Sardinian kingdom at the Russian court, Count Joseph de Maistre, 27.08.1811). True, they say today: "Every nation has the government that HAS IT."
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 7 November 2013 21: 30
        +5
        Quote: Botanologist
        We have more than enough "friends" around us, and the fall of the United States will simply put some China in the first place in our region. And the Saudis can annoy the Caucasus.

        Who will push China, what is the fall of the USA? At the moment, this is still the first economy in the world and the Americans are not going to give up. They are more likely to drown the whole world in blood but will not give up their position.
        1. Danilka
          Danilka 7 November 2013 21: 45
          +2
          I think, in case of serious problems, they will throw their friends like them and shut themselves in themselves, they will be boiled in their own juice.
          1. DimychDV
            DimychDV 8 November 2013 10: 25
            0
            Depends on the layout of their internal lobby. Isolationism in America was in fashion in the 30s, but later this path was not chosen by them. Robbing the whole world is much easier. The army even more allows.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 8 November 2013 17: 46
              +1
              That is the question - does the army "allow" or not? They did not win their wars, but bought them, allies too. And now the purchase is showing at half past five, and typing is getting dumber, that look, the greens will completely dry out. What is the "world's first economy"? Is it with the holdings of financial speculators? Then yes, the first one. There are a lot of zeros in the computer, yeah ...
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 7 November 2013 21: 51
          +6
          Quote: APASUS
          At the moment, this is still the first economy in the world and the Americans are not going to give up.


          belay Something about the first economy of the world was infa in the fall, which, as it were ... is not quite the first ... especially in the field of production, not banking services. China is not sleeping request

          Quote: APASUS
          Who will push China, what is the fall of the USA?


          China itself is moving forward - Mama Do not Cry. Japan was calmly squeezed with the disputed islands, and no one had time to utter a word. So do not relax, you can bite your nose.
          1. cryloff.il
            cryloff.il 8 November 2013 15: 01
            0
            About China, if you really do not know anything, then do not write. And yet, to whom and when did China dictate any rules? In industry, they are certainly well done, but in which? And the last time when China last fought successfully?
        3. Vladimir-35136
          Vladimir-35136 8 November 2013 07: 33
          0
          The USA owes a lot and a lot, but as long as they have their own vigorous club, no one will shake off their debts. Therefore, in the future, only a gradual redistribution of spheres of influence is possible ... it is quite obvious that such a redistribution is already in full swing, but there will not be any "dancing on the bones", rather they will forgive these debts, knock them off for the possibility of carrying out any political reforms, transformations in the world.
        4. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 8 November 2013 12: 23
          -1
          Quote: APASUS
          and the Americans are not going to give up



          Did they tell you this? Or did you decide for them?
      3. APES
        APES 7 November 2013 23: 26
        +4
        Quote: Botanologist
        Therefore, we do not need to count American "plumes"


        A wounded beast sees nothing but its pain and it is very dangerous

        Quote: Botanologist
        but in where will Russia be


        I hope in place, but seriously, in terms of the economy, Russia has a reserve - import substitution by a domestic producer, but this requires unpopular measures.
        1. zao74
          zao74 8 November 2013 15: 26
          +1
          Let me ask you what "unpopular measures"? Throw out the liberals from the government, introduce the death penalty and tighten the legislation, update (completely) the judicial system, nationalize all large enterprises and nah..r throw out the oligarchs? I think the people will take these measures.
      4. timer
        timer 7 November 2013 23: 40
        +3
        Of course, it would be foolish and ineffective to look at all this discord from Russia’s side. It is necessary, on the one hand, to drive the wedge between the US allies even deeper, and on the other hand, to restore order in all spheres of life in your own country. the holy place will not be empty. Someone will try to take it. I really want Russia to take it in the future.
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 8 November 2013 04: 47
        +1
        Quote: Botanologist
        и

        Quote: Botanologist
        Quote: AVV
        even the Balts or Poles with Romanians will wipe about them


        The problem is not who will wipe his feet, but where Russia will be.


        It's not a problem. Russia will be where it was - the central part of the Eurasian continent. I advise you to look at the map more often and watch less news.
      6. DimychDV
        DimychDV 8 November 2013 10: 19
        0
        M-dyaa ... Pragmatism - pragmatism. But one should not forget friendship either. Because with brothers - Slavs the principle "money - forward" is, of course, fair - but it infuriates them to the extreme. It is necessary to somehow remind the brothers-Slavs without evil grimaces that some people agreed on this back in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. And you need to either the Belovezhskaya treaties - fftopka, and give birth to the Union Treaty; or observe all those that are written after them. And not in parts.
      7. Patton5
        Patton5 8 November 2013 10: 55
        0
        Saudis without the support of the United States, they will fill up the blown-up, otherwise it’s possible to dig out in full, oil will not help!
      8. 31231
        31231 8 November 2013 17: 46
        0
        It seems to me that we do not need the first place in the world. Let others puff and strain, we must live our own calm path. And they let them break into "kings of the hill".
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 9 November 2013 07: 20
          +2
          Quote: 31231
          Let others puff and tear, we must live in a calm path.

          Well, firstly, you can go "Paths", and "Live", it seems to me, you need "according to your mind and conscience", that is, "in fairness." For "God is not in power, but in righteousness - our deed is just, holy!", I didn’t say, - Alexander Nevsky.
          And, secondly, there is such a concept as "Slavic (Russian) civilization", the stronghold of which we are historically. So, we have the historical (civilizational, messianic) responsibility for its preservation. And for this you need to be strong, wise, fair. What I sincerely wish everyone.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 7 November 2013 20: 34
      +4
      Quote: AVV
      Well, what did you want, if the states begin to lose their power, then even the Balts or Poles with Romanians will wipe their feet without speaking about others, remember the Soviet Union, everything repeats !!!


      And to wipe and stomp the skin of the former lion will be especially zealous for those who previously vowed the most and most zealously licked the causal place ... laughing
      1. a52333
        a52333 7 November 2013 20: 53
        +4
        So have already begun. Saudi and Pakistan. What pleases (in this situation) in the Arab and Eastern countries in general is one permanent property - THEIR INCONVENIENCE., of course, rare: while you feed them - friends, and vice versa.
        1. olegkrava
          olegkrava 7 November 2013 21: 29
          11
          While you beat the Arab in the face you buy, but if you stretch your face for a kiss you will get a blow below the waist. This is not a rule, it is an axiom.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 7 November 2013 21: 48
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        And to wipe and stomp the skin of the former lion will be especially zealous for those who previously vowed the most and most diligently licked the causal place ..

        - are you really about the Israelis? laughing For some reason I believe, I believe. At the very peak of the US power, they quietly spoiled them, remember the attacked and nearly drowned American destroyer, and the Americans themselves hushed up the scandal. And this is at the peak of American power! And what will happen when American weakness becomes very obvious? Below, the guys will discuss Sauds and packs, well, these are short-sighted guys, and the Israelis are smarter, because in America this can be a temporary weakness, they can also get out. Therefore, they will wait for the Israelis until the moment when the States are definitely not selected - and then Israel will not have equal to wiping their feet on the United States, the Saudis and packs will nervously smoke aside. Or do I not know the Israelis?
        1. their
          their 7 November 2013 22: 20
          +1
          If the United States does not finish off Syria, Iran - then Israel will arrange for them a living hell IMHO. Dollar hyperinflation and civil war at least.
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 8 November 2013 00: 41
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          Or do I not know the Israelis?

          Well, not only do you not know the Israelis, you do not know a lot. As for the "fall of the United States", "the hopes of young men are nourished ...". wink
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 November 2013 07: 45
            +2
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            As for the "fall of the United States", "the hopes of young men are nourished ...".

            We will be honest, first of all, to ourselves: the USA is objectively the most powerful state, the first economy in the world with the most powerful armed forces.
            Yes, the country and society are sick: the decay of moral foundations, hyper public debt, and so on. But the ideology of Pan-Americanism is so strong, the puppeteers are so clearly brainwashing their people and "friends" that even homeless people love this country. Therefore, one cannot count on a quick "collapse" of the United States. The main thing is that the puppeteers do not bang the lid and try again to get out of the ass through a military adventure. This is definitely not necessary. But the matter is apparently moving towards this. And they will "undermine" their VS. I mean the Russian Federation and the PRC. IMHO.
    3. Danilka
      Danilka 7 November 2013 21: 43
      +3
      And they have a toughie to protect and rimbaud to attack lol wassat
    4. vlad0
      vlad0 7 November 2013 22: 49
      +2
      Do not have illusions. Funding for missile defense in geyrop, as well as special operations forces is carried out on an increasing and in the right volumes. They are unlikely to need to transfer divisions to Africa or Asia. Aggression will be carried out according to the Libyan and Syrian scenarios.
    5. I am
      I am 7 November 2013 23: 15
      +7
      underestimating the adversary is the most serious mistake. Even if the United States is full of losers, anyway, we should take them seriously, otherwise the situation with 1941 will repeat itself, but I really don't want to
    6. timer
      timer 7 November 2013 23: 34
      +4
      How pleased I am with such news about the state of affairs of our enemy No. 1. I wish with all my heart that the Democrats would fight with the Republicans when discussing the sequestration of the Pentagon. So that they will get worse! Amen.
    7. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 8 November 2013 05: 52
      +1
      I remember about five years ago the states called our army "paper tiger"! what happens? who calls names, is that called? wassat
    8. discard
      discard 8 November 2013 09: 18
      -1
      And what kind of tiger does Russia become?
      Have you ever thought?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 November 2013 09: 26
        0
        Energetic. And what?
    9. DimychDV
      DimychDV 8 November 2013 10: 11
      0
      I would like to live up to that. Imagine that the Polish prime minister will publicly declare that the Russians would have won without landing in Normandy, and would not go there on May 8 ... And the Romanians will offer to revive the Warsaw Pact ... And the Balts will put their SS men on trial ...
      ... Where is my lip-sealing machine?
    10. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 8 November 2013 14: 38
      0
      hi For the struggle for the cause of Zionism and the Dimacracy of Chabad Lubavitch, they are always ready ......)))))
    11. Hippopotamus
      Hippopotamus 8 November 2013 18: 15
      0
      ... even the Balts or Poles with Romanians will wipe their feet about them ...


      Balts will definitely not be, because they will not remain on the map.
  2. AVV
    AVV 7 November 2013 15: 27
    +2
    Well, what did you want, if the states begin to lose their power, then even the Balts or Poles with Romanians will wipe their feet without speaking about others, remember the Soviet Union, everything repeats !!!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 7 November 2013 19: 10
      +5
      Quote: ...
      the flagship of the free world loses financial buoyancy, stripping the bottom of its reputation reefs and dropping guns overboard.


      Well bent. What are we then calculating in bucks?


      Quote: ...
      if Israel is alone, it will act alone. "


      Iran also says something strange. It looks like a skirmish before a fight, who will crush whom with "intellect"

      The Iranian army can "single-handedly" destroy Israel, army commander General Ataollah Salehi said Thursday, in response to Beni Gantz's statement that the IDF has the ability to attack Iranian nuclear facilities without the help of other countries.
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 7 November 2013 20: 18
        +9
        The main problem of the United States and of any other state is not financial buoyancy, but industrial. While the United States had first-class industry, money was allocated for any projects, but production was moved to Asia, now finances will flow there. The Rothschilds, for example, have their own headquarters an apartment from London was sent to Hong Kong. So in the West there will soon be full Donbas, or in their full Detroit.
      2. Danilka
        Danilka 7 November 2013 21: 49
        +3
        Iran alone? Israel has so many Arab "friends" gathered around it since the late 40s, Mama Don't Cry
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 7 November 2013 22: 17
          +5
          Quote: Danilka
          Israel has so many Arab "friends" gathered around

          NEWSru.co.il poll on the topic "Israel, its friends and enemies".
          Countries - enemies of Israel (TOP-10): 1) Iran (80%), 2) Syria (67%), 3) Egypt (57,4%), 4) Iraq (55,6%), 5) Lebanon ( 55,6%), 6) Turkey (54%), 7) Saudi Arabia (49,4%), 8) Pakistan (45,9%), 9) Venezuela (45,7%), 10) Yemen (45,7 , XNUMX%).
          Countries - friends of Israel (TOP-10): 1) Canada (59,3%), 2) USA (54,8%), 3) Australia (42,3%), 4) Germany (41,2%), 5) Czech Republic (35,8%), 6) Italy (29%), 7) Ukraine (22,8%), 8) Georgia (22,7%), 9) Bulgaria (21,7%), 10) Poland (15,7%).
      3. alexng
        alexng 7 November 2013 22: 26
        +1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Benjamin Netanyahu said: "Israel will not allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons. And if Israel is alone, it will act alone."


        If the Americans die, then the Israeli inflatable elephant, too, will not last long. There will be no one to fart for this elephant for no reason (USkalas are on their last breath, they are about to let out a bzdyk, and Europe, by the way, I don’t want to, has enough), therefore this Euro-elephant is blown away.
  3. alone
    alone 7 November 2013 19: 14
    17
    It’s too early to write them off. Oh, how early. I don’t think that mattresses will just give up their positions. To finish them completely and irrevocably you need to work hard and work, raise the economy, strengthen and renew the army, systematically reduce dependence on the dollar, prove to the world community that the second force is fairer than the United States, etc., etc. think all this is so easy?

    http://www.kp.ru/daily/25919.5/2872152/?cp=0

    where do you think you got so much money?
    1. vadson
      vadson 7 November 2013 19: 29
      10
      Today, on the telly from Putin, I heard some words, I almost crashed from the sofa from the emerging hope. he talked about our constitution, that it should be higher than international laws. He cited England as an example that they did not accept international laws that were disadvantageous to them.
      maybe I decided it’s time to put things in order at home? and? not? untie the central bank from the buck, the constitution must be changed, but he has a resource in the Duma. grandmas like decided from abroad to invest in infrastructure projects.
      can began to probe the soil? eh, comrades?
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 7 November 2013 20: 16
        +4
        Quote: vadson
        can began to probe the soil? eh, comrades?

        Everything will have its time, everything will be, but not all at once, the sweetest thing will be before the election.
    2. studentmati
      studentmati 7 November 2013 19: 53
      +4
      Quote: lonely
      to finally and irrevocably finish them you need to work hard and work


      As bequeathed to Vladimir Ilyich!
  4. ele1285
    ele1285 7 November 2013 19: 15
    +3
    The USA will not save the puck, and will not become their Minister of Defense.
  5. major071
    major071 7 November 2013 19: 16
    13
    In the wake of the general euphoria over the collapse of the United States, one should not forget that the "wounded beast" is doubly dangerous. I would not be surprised if these "supermen", feeling their imminent end, do not want to "loudly slam the door" goodbye, unleashing the third world war. They believe that only they are right, the rest of the second-class countries. The main thing is, when they start drowning, to help them with this. soldier
    1. Danilka
      Danilka 7 November 2013 21: 52
      +2
      they have a debt over there! but a war, and preferably a larger one, will write off the old one and can be lent as in 2 peace wars
      1. Kolyanych
        Kolyanych 8 November 2013 10: 12
        0
        Unleashing a large-scale war is the usual way for the United States to overcome the economic crisis. This method was resorted to twice in the 20th century: both the First and Second World Wars were unleashed precisely with the aim of amending their unshiny affairs in the economy. And it was war and military orders as a locomotive that pulled the American economy out of the abyss. The United States wants to do the same trick now. Otherwise, a furry northern animal will really come to them.
    2. zao74
      zao74 8 November 2013 15: 37
      +1
      They will start it, but not on their continent and not with their own hands. And they will write off their debts on the sale of weapons to all the warring parties ... As has already happened before.
  6. sined0707
    sined0707 7 November 2013 19: 25
    +7
    "remember the Soviet Union, everything repeats itself !!"
    But they will have everything much worse, but they could have spoiled everyone whom they could.
    1. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 7 November 2013 19: 43
      +6
      From their point of view, they did not crap and defended their own interests. They are superhuman, they are supposed to have their interests on the whole ball named Earth. Rather, she would become a fluff for them. Because they will not peacefully agree to a multipolar world.
      1. Danilka
        Danilka 7 November 2013 21: 53
        +2
        Aloysych nervously smokes laughing
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 7 November 2013 22: 19
          +2
          Quote: Danilka
          Aloysych nervously smokes


          Yeah seizing a smoke fat pork
  7. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 7 November 2013 19: 31
    +3
    "The chief of staff of the US Army, General Ray Odierno, believes that the country's military will not be able to successfully fight outside the home country."
    My mother, how will they live next?!?! laughing
    The process has started. It is clear that the US military power will not be zeroed out overnight. But the consequences will be in the foreseeable future. Everything will start with the escape of "rats from a sinking ship". Many of America's current allies will begin to rethink their foreign policy. The world will never become bipolar, but we can come to multipolarity.
    1. major071
      major071 7 November 2013 19: 38
      +9
      And when exactly did the US ground forces conduct successful military operations outside their country? If only in the proportion of 30: 1, and not everything is so rosy there.
      1. Danilka
        Danilka 7 November 2013 21: 54
        +2
        Well, for some reason, in Somalia, as many as 20 people lost, this was a defeat!
    2. Danilka
      Danilka 7 November 2013 21: 57
      +3
      in theory the British are the first to blame, there are no friends, there are interests
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 7 November 2013 22: 22
        +2
        Quote: Danilka
        in theory the British are the first to blame, there are no friends, there are interests


        Well, no, they are true friends, they won Germany together
        1. Danilka
          Danilka 7 November 2013 22: 46
          +1
          they won, they won. From the 44th, like a vulture, a vulture over the body of an antelope (Germany) killed by a tiger (USSR). Everything was easier there. And in our time, in my opinion, everything will be much more harsh. The Angles will find a moment of crisis to wash their hands, and the United States will for her a lightning rod of troubles. Although this is my IMHO hi
  8. andrei332809
    andrei332809 7 November 2013 19: 35
    +3
    the country's armed forces will not be able to successfully conduct hostilities outside the home country.

    the quintessence of the american dream. and now they don’t want to give money for her (dreams) realization. they will remove the little black either physically or impeachment.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 8 November 2013 06: 22
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      clean black
      Yes, as I would like, but alas, I’ll have to endure it until January 2017.
      Quote: andrei332809
      either physically or impeachment.
      That's just not physically please. Dermocrats then make him an icon of a martyr for liberal ideals, such as Kennedy and ML King. Well, nah.
      And in the sense of impeachment - well, there are no such violations of the law that would be pulled for impeachment. Yes, and those that are supposedly listed, albeit trifles, still need to be proved, so that legally the mosquito will not undermine the nose. And I would like to look at impeachment, oh, I would like to. So, if anyone has reliable info about Obama’s violation of American laws, do not be shy, spread it out, I’m not too lazy to pass it on to. Although, I dare to assure you, Biden will not be the best president of the United States, including for Russia.
  9. Arkan
    Arkan 7 November 2013 19: 42
    +2
    The Americans are weakened. but not so much that they could be discounted. The Saudis began to show their temper early, the Americans know how to create conflicts, and in their country you can find many disaffected. The Israelis will find it difficult to resist the "friendly" embrace of their neighbors alone. In a dark corner, without gleaming, dangles, catching the wind, "Union Jack".
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  11. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 7 November 2013 19: 44
    +3
    I would not be in a hurry to gloat.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 7 November 2013 19: 58
      10
      Quote: Peaceful military
      I would not be in a hurry to gloat.


      The processes of changing the balance of power in the world are going too fast; they are not in favor of the West. Therefore, opposition will increase. The more problems they have, the less sane and adequate they become. There are no reasons for gloating, rather reasonable fears.
      Quote: Vadivak
      if Israel is alone, it will act alone. "

      it doesn’t work out while the Eretz Yisrael project has stumbled on Syria, so Russia needs to be destabilized and scared, and then continue to format the Arabs and disarm Iran
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 7 November 2013 20: 36
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        The more problems they have, the less sane and adequate they become.

        Time trouble.

        Quote: Ascetic
        it doesn’t work out while the Eretz Yisrael project has stumbled on Syria, so Russia needs to be destabilized and scared, and then continue to format the Arabs and disarm Iran

        Zugzwang.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 9 November 2013 08: 15
          +3
          Quote: SPACE
          Time trouble.

          Quote: SPACE
          Zugzwang.

          Demyan! Well you, damn it, GR O Z M A Y S T E R however.
      2. their
        their 7 November 2013 23: 33
        0
        In Syria, they will not calm down; they will drag the Americans into Syria one way or another. Another 9/11 to help them or USS Liberty part two
  12. slovak007
    slovak007 7 November 2013 19: 52
    +2
    the pictures are cool :)
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  13. ammunition
    ammunition 7 November 2013 19: 53
    +2
    It seems to me that the "masters" of this world (and the USA) did not put the Negro in vain.
    Of course, the "owners" of the radishes, but they take everything into account.
    And such a thing as a sense of blood .. (genetic memory), must be taken into account. This is a terrible thing. In the sense that a Negro genetically cannot wish America good. In America, only 40 years ago segregation ceased .. and the Ku Klux Klan went underground.
    So .. it looks like .. Barack was appointed liquidation manager.
    ---------
    PS In Latin America, this is easier. There was no segregation at all, despite slavery.
    1. their
      their 7 November 2013 23: 30
      +2
      Obama is Gorbachev ... will bring down America, notice the obvious similarity - 10 years of the war in Afghanistan, 50 million people are sitting on food coupons, Obama’s mistakes in foreign and domestic politics.
  14. Defender
    Defender 7 November 2013 20: 10
    +4
    [quote = ammunition] It seems to me that the "masters" of this world (and the United States) did not put a Negro in vain.
    They set his black ass smile
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 7 November 2013 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: Defender
      They set his black ass


      So we'll see ... Barack can dodge .. or get adventures on her.
      Logically .. wait a while. A couple of years.
  15. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 7 November 2013 21: 47
    +2
    I think that the United States will soon go into isolation. Tipo, do what you want, we don’t care request
  16. major071
    major071 7 November 2013 22: 12
    +6
    I’ll go to Lula, I hope nothing bad will happen in the world before morning, and the United States will come to its end one more day. To everyone hi until morning news! Keep your tail with a gun! soldier
  17. SV
    SV 7 November 2013 22: 17
    +2
    Enough of gloating and throwing bonnets into the air, look at the story how the USA always solved its problems ... It was bad if not for all, then for many peoples, and they always turned the situation so that they had deep appreciation from the saved (for example, most Japanese people think that We bombed Hiroshima). It is unlikely that they will act differently, most likely they are just preparing some new scenario of global meanness in the name of saving Great America. Not for nothing V.P. not so long ago at a meeting with the defense industry he so emotionally said that we had NO time and demanded real results ...
  18. Kubanets
    Kubanets 7 November 2013 22: 22
    +4
    True The only chance the United States will return to the Monroe Doctrine (to go into isolation) But having tasted absolute infallibility is hardly satisfied with this modest role. Either a civil war (for which Obama is preparing) or territorial disintegration. The danger is what will it result in?
    1. Danilka
      Danilka 7 November 2013 22: 48
      0
      Greetings, Countryman! hi
  19. Stinger
    Stinger 7 November 2013 22: 51
    0
    There are signs. But shouting "Akela missed" is too early. But regarding us - just right.
  20. Backfire
    Backfire 7 November 2013 22: 54
    -7
    I don’t understand one thing. Even if everything happens approximately as you see it.
    That you will be worse for the Russians!

    Following the destruction of the consumer society, of which the United States remains the locomotive, the world economy is sharply slowing down, and the demand for oil and gas drops automatically.

    The Russian Federation - the Resource Federation, no longer produces a bunch of things necessary not only for comfort, for basic life.

    America will stand, do not worry. Yes, the standard of living will fall, but there will be no disaster. And then what will you have at least understand?
    1. Mercenary
      Mercenary 7 November 2013 23: 12
      +2
      the squad will not notice the loss to replace the gluttony of the United States will come other hungry China, etc.
    2. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 7 November 2013 23: 24
      +5
      Quote: Backfire
      America will stand, do not worry. Yes, the standard of living will fall, but there will be no disaster. And then what will you have at least understand?

      Do not worry, in the worst case it will be the same as now. It is you who are used to living comfortably in a consumer society and have never sniffed the extreme of life, unlike us. Consumerism and we measure. What makes you think that we will be worse? Do not hide in the delusions that we are somehow dependent on your well-being. fool All you need to do is throw away your dead candy wrappers with the faces of your presidents - the founding fathers and switch to your currency. laughing And in a clean field without a warm toilet, we can’t get used to it ... You have already forgotten how so long ago, so you have to get into your pants ...
    3. sawmill
      sawmill 7 November 2013 23: 27
      +3
      Unfortunately you are right, but there may be pluses in the fall in oil demand and raw material income. This was very noticeable in 1998. After a sharp devaluation of the ruble from 6 to 15 rubles per dollar and amid extremely low oil prices, industrial exports from Russia increased sharply, and at the same time, a serious upsurge in domestic industry began. Personally, I thought and believe now that high oil and gas revenues are destructive for Russia, especially against the background of the inept use of such revenues.
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      2. zao74
        zao74 8 November 2013 16: 00
        0
        Not use, but theft, through fraud with the budget!
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 9 November 2013 09: 24
        +2
        Quote: sawmill
        Personally, I thought and believe now that high oil and gas revenues are destructive for Russia, especially against the background of the inept use of such revenues.

        This, of course, is your opinion, to which you have the full right to participate in our forum. BUT!!!
        Answer me, the syroma and the wretched:
        - where to get (urgently! maybe redivision of the world is coming) funds for the rearmament of the Army?
        - Where can I get funds for the purchase of new equipment for the revival of the domestic industry that you care so much about?
        - due to what to contain culture, science, education, social programs, so as not to bring things to October 17 year?
        You can still ask many questions to "amateurs" for the people's good. But the reality is that 1/3 of the country's budget is formed by oil revenues. And you propose to give them up cleanly? Well, if so, then you are truly the statesman of the idyllic spill from the planet Dream.
        I can agree with you on one thing: it’s better to spend the people's penny, to turn the head of corruption and embezzlement away. Then the effect will be higher from petrodollars, the results are more noticeable. And the oil industry, for their work, thank you very much, and not blame the high oil prices. IMHO.
        1. sawmill
          sawmill 4 December 2013 21: 29
          0
          Thank you for the opportunity to develop the topic, which I argued certainly is not certain,
          But ... And your opinion seems to me to be a look at the top of the problem and not at its foundation, I propose to get to the base together and through the exchange of opinions and not reproaches of idealism, etc.
          Let’s evaluate if possible what we have is not taken.
          Over the past 20 years, state expenditures have grown significantly, money was incalculable and it is a fact. The result of such costs
          Rearmament of the army? New breakthrough models of technology? We see attempts to move in this direction, isolated samples, the modernization of one of two aircraft is already an event of all-Russian scale. Massive theft of the military budget at all levels from the minister to the primary.
          Education - degradation of the system + theft. Culture- turn on the TV, see what? Domestic cinema? theatrical life? Volochkova + acid rain.

          Social - with a huge increase in expenses and salaries of the aunts themselves from social security at all levels, it's just a black hole.
          And the saddest thing is the catastrophic decline in producers of something against the background of an increase in the number of state employees and their income.
          On police day, half of the village during the parade sits in the house of culture, prof. The holiday, and there is also a tax, paradise department of the FSB, drug control, regpalata, SES, veterinary supervision, state. technical supervision, guin, treasurer, DISTRICT ... And the number of individual entrepreneurs with 256 was reduced to 23 only over the past year.
          LLC and ZAO are dying dozens, state-owned enterprises have died out for a long time and I do not consider them. The main product of the business forest area (you know Siberia) is the harvesting volume of 1991, 8 million cubic meters, 2000, 2.3 million cubic meters, 2012, 0.5 million cubic meters. The number of people engaged in logging 2000, 25 thousand people, now 1700 people.

          Tell me why pour water into the sieve, why throw petrodollars into all those good goals that you are talking about (do you really think that I am against rearmament, culture, education) if half are stolen right away and tightly with ends and without marks and the rest will be squandered without thinking forgetting to increase his salary.
          Oil dollars are the thing by which inefficient management buys time to continue inefficient management.
          This is an analgesic for gangrene, this is the next dose for an addict - will relieve withdrawal and all ...

          Here is the dear Boa, my questions to you

          PS The picture is certainly bleak, but we have the time and opportunity to embark on a way out of this situation. There are exit recipes. At least I think so.
          What do you think?
    4. Russ69
      Russ69 8 November 2013 01: 37
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      America will stand, do not worry. Yes, the standard of living will fall, but there will be no disaster. And then what will you have at least understand?
      When a normal standard of living falls below the plinth, the consequences of the ccdct are much worse. Do not forget: the higher you climb, the more painful it is to fall. We, more accustomed to all kinds of cataclysms ...
    5. dmitrich
      dmitrich 9 November 2013 04: 41
      0
      in the history of Russia there were many such dreamers, she grind all.
    6. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 9 November 2013 08: 44
      +2
      Quote: Backfire
      The Russian Federation - the Resource Federation, no longer produces a bunch of things necessary not only for comfort, for basic life.

      So we’ll deal with import substitution. And this is also the locomotive (not consumption, fat Yankees!) Of industrial growth that our industry and people are waiting for, enterprises that are hungry for normal orders.
      Quote: Backfire
      living standards will fall, but there will be no disaster. And then what will you have at least understand?

      It may not work out. But our oil and gas flow is already diversifying: China, the second economy in the world, buys them in a flood because knows: shipping is vulnerable, and preparing for a meeting with the Yankees, you need to have your own gas station, to which their sweaty little hands will not reach. This is xnumx's;
      And in 2's, the wedge light in the States did not converge. There are also Europe, Japan and China. So we will live, and the demand for oil and gas will only grow. At least until they find a replacement as energy carriers. But it is also the most valuable chemical raw material, the demand for which will be steadily growing. So, sir, your shot is past.
  21. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 7 November 2013 22: 56
    +1
    Tiger, speak? Paper? Very similar ... lol
  22. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 7 November 2013 22: 56
    -1
    Tiger, speak? Paper? Very similar ... lol
  23. Postman
    Postman 7 November 2013 23: 02
    +1
    The growth of the US economy in the III quarter of 2013 accelerated to 2,8% in terms of annual rates from 2,5% in April - June, according to preliminary data from the country's Department of Commerce. The increase was highest from July - September 2012. Analysts surveyed by Bloomberg predicted an increase in US GDP of only 2%.

    Read on: http://www.vedomosti.ru/finance/news/18473031/tempy-rosta-vvp-ssha-neozhidanno-u
    skorilis-do-28-v-iii # ixzz2k2CPmH4e


    MOSCOW, October 16. The growth rate of Russia's GDP in the III quarter of 2013 was almost zero. This was announced today by the deputy head of the Ministry of Economic Development (MED) Andrei Klepach at a meeting of the State Duma Budget and Tax Committee.
    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/business/2013/10/16/1188494.html
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 8 November 2013 01: 45
      +1
      Quote: Postman
      US economic growth accelerated to 2013% in Q2,8 XNUMX

      I can’t remember ... But for the sake of economic indicators, the United States removed some kind of indicator from analytics a couple of years ago (I’m sorry I can’t remember). And then the growth of the economy grew over the month, almost a percent.
      And secondly, you’re going to give back the debt ... It’s not even 17 trillion, but taking into account the internal debt, many times more.
  24. Migari
    Migari 7 November 2013 23: 06
    +2
    Quote: Botanologist
    Quote: AVV
    even the Balts or Poles with Romanians will wipe about them


    The problem is not who will wipe his feet, but where Russia will be. We have more than enough "friends" around us, and the fall of the United States will simply put some China in the first place in our region. And the Saudis can annoy the Caucasus.
    Therefore, we do not need to count American "pluses", but our achievements in politics and economics. And with this it is not ice yet request . We will wait someday, with such a policy we ourselves will be in the role of a rug.

    The news is certainly good, and favorable for us, I agree that China will soon be a problem, about the "friends" around, these are trifles, like annoying flies. Our main opponents are the United States and our economy with corruption, but Russia's foreign policy is now on the rise.
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  26. Mercenary
    Mercenary 7 November 2013 23: 09
    +3
    history repeats in a spiral. remember the USSR when the Warsaw Treaty fed, all were friends, how the Union Allies felt sick did not hesitate to spit on all the good. now inveterate geyropisty.
  27. Backfire
    Backfire 7 November 2013 23: 16
    -11 qualifying.
    Already wrote, I will write more.
    Nothing has changed on the forever one-sixth of the land over the past half century: as soon as they begin to tell you that - in America it is bad and soon it will become worse and it will live for a maximum of several months. Know that YOU have big problems and your leaders understand that they will soon be visible to all residents of the USSR (past) / Russia (present) / NCA - North Central Asia (the near future) and therefore these tales tell you to prevent you from seeing what is happening you under the nose in your house:
  28. sawmill
    sawmill 7 November 2013 23: 18
    0
    Any even the most severe crisis in the United States led to a new round of growth in their power. And the weight of the world as a result of their crisis suffered no less losses but did not acquire any advantages. We, as a raw materials appendage with a more and more degenerate economy and rapidly degrading indigenous people, will certainly not get any advantages from their crisis.
  29. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 7 November 2013 23: 36
    +3
    Quote: Backfire
    therefore, these tales tell you to prevent you from seeing what is happening under your nose in your house:

    It would be better to look behind their house, and not to dismiss someone else's hail. The "first" country in the world ... tongue
    1. Backfire
      Backfire 7 November 2013 23: 56
      -4
      Here the pictures are iconic, but these are pictures from the life of the USSR.
      What does the current Resource Federation have to do with the USSR?

      The USSR was a country built entirely on other moral principles, with a completely different financial system, a system of education, health protection, and brought up in its citizens the moral principles directly opposite to the current Russian Federation.

      This is all in the past, and here is your present:
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 8 November 2013 01: 48
        +2
        Quote: Backfire
        This is all in the past, and here is your present:

        And where were, now your astronauts, without "Roskosmos".
        Would you answer...? smile
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    2. dmitrich
      dmitrich 8 November 2013 03: 39
      +2
      they have neither a house nor a flag, they are migrants.
  30. Fobos-grunt
    Fobos-grunt 7 November 2013 23: 41
    +1
    Obama chose the philosophy of Spartacus from the film "Needle" Spartak said that if a person has a lot of debts, then he is very rich. The ceiling of the national debt can be increased indefinitely as long as our hero has a strong brigade, oh sorry ... I wanted to say - the army!
  31. Backfire
    Backfire 8 November 2013 00: 05
    -1
    Quote: sawmill
    Unfortunately you are right, but there may be pluses in the fall in oil demand and raw material income. This was very noticeable in 1998. After a sharp devaluation of the ruble from 6 to 15 rubles per dollar and amid extremely low oil prices, industrial exports from Russia increased sharply, and at the same time, a serious upsurge in domestic industry began. Personally, I thought and believe now that high oil and gas revenues are destructive for Russia, especially against the background of the inept use of such revenues.


    You are right about 1998. But you do not consider something. Then, all production facilities remaining from the USSR were not yet destroyed. And there were still shots.

    Now this is already nothing - neither the means of production, nor the capacities, nor the people, nor even those who could teach new ones and nowhere else - almost all vocational schools and technical schools are redeveloped into legal-financial-administrative-PiaR_m
    Money blah blah institutions.

    But thanks for the comment. I think your train of thought is correct, it’s nice that at least someone on this site is adequate, clear in thought and able to see several moves ahead. Good luck to you.
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 8 November 2013 09: 19
      +2
      Quote: Backfire
      Then, all production facilities remaining from the USSR were not yet destroyed. And there were still shots.

      We had it, we are ahead, but all this is waiting for you - all the stars and stripes in different directions. Decide which staff will be responsible for the debts ........
  32. rpek32
    rpek32 8 November 2013 00: 17
    0
    Quote: Backfire
    Already wrote, I will write more


    do not confuse foreign and domestic policy. these are 2 big differences. the conversation is now about foreign policy. Amid obvious US failures, Russia rises. Conversation is underway.
    Threat. before we fall apart like the USSR, the United States would die out faster thanks to local businessmen:
  33. Backfire
    Backfire 8 November 2013 01: 03
    -2
    Quote: rpek32
    do not confuse foreign and domestic policy. these are 2 big differences. the conversation is now about foreign policy. Amid obvious US failures, Russia rises. There is a conversation for this. before we fall apart like the USSR, the United States would die out faster thanks to local businessmen:


    These are stories about the side effects of shale gas production. Environmental pollution is very bad, but it is a global process. But if you have not forgotten, we are discussing a completely different topic here - economic and social problems.

    Well, now they are chasing everyone for oil and gas - from Arabs to Pelicans:
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 8 November 2013 01: 50
      +2
      Quote: Backfire
      These are stories about the side effects of shale gas production. Environmental pollution is very bad, but it is a global process.

      But what, the USA does not sign the UN declaration on greenhouse gas emissions?
  34. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 8 November 2013 02: 44
    0
    The external enemies of Russia (do not think that there is only one enemy) have long realized the futility of external aggression.
    And the methods of warfare have changed. And My Homeland remains the same loose monarchy, in which not
    only social strata but also races and small nations and adherents of different religions are in confrontation
    to society. And this weakness is used by all and sundry and especially enemies (do not think that the enemy is one)
  35. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 8 November 2013 02: 44
    0
    The question is primitively simple.
    Sasha without the USSR is not capable of progressive development, - without an external threat, thoughts have simplified to the plinth horizon of the manager - bucks. bucks, bucks ...

    Historically, inevitably, Sasha will end, and in the most offensive verbal expression.
  36. Known who
    Known who 8 November 2013 03: 14
    +2
    Not all of our army suffer, even the worst friend will receive his portion.
    It is necessary to be more afraid of the east, where the main power, both production and financial, is now concentrated. And against 10 million armies of the northern provinces of China, we have only 2 tank brigades, and even that is one cropped.
  37. Bigriver
    Bigriver 8 November 2013 06: 17
    0
    How dramatically everything is changing.
    Turkey, also changed its course by 180 degrees and began to build relations with Tehran.
    It seems that in relation to Assad, the position radically unfolded.
    http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20131107/214559808.html
    What interests me most is the question: what will the Saudis and Qatar do in this new reality? Full of money and resources, but in the political sense, they become loners.
  38. kmike
    kmike 8 November 2013 10: 02
    +1
    Superpower overstrained.
  39. CHAAmvd
    CHAAmvd 8 November 2013 10: 25
    0
    This is the development of society. Empires that existed for about a thousand years have disappeared. The USA will disappear.
  40. Che burashka
    Che burashka 8 November 2013 10: 27
    +2
    Quote: Backfire
    These are stories about the side effects of shale gas production. Environmental pollution is very bad, but it is a global process. But if you have not forgotten, we are discussing a completely different topic here - economic and social problems.
    Well, now they are chasing everyone for oil and gas - from Arabs to Pelicans:

    Dear Backfire, I’ll probably get minuses, but in many ways I agree with you. I do not like the United States, especially in the light of their foreign policy of interference everywhere at all over the last 20-30 years, but I don’t like a lot of things in Russia too. It is not sad to admit it, but in the event of the collapse of the United States (military / political / economic), everyone will get it. And Russia as well. So I would not be in a hurry to gloat.
    Firstly, the United States will not voluntarily leave the post of world leader, which means that it will finally arrange a world "bad boom". As you know, "War will write off everything", the principle of all times and peoples. Given the number of weapons of mass destruction in the United States, this would result in tens (if not hundreds) of millions of lives across the planet. Against this background, the prospects for the fall of the United States no longer look so joyful and cheerful. Are any of those who are happily waiting for the fall of the United States, are willing to pay with their lives and the lives of their loved ones for this prospect? Personally, I don't. It's good to watch the war on TV and groan pitifully, but when it personally comes to your home .... I strongly hope that I'm wrong, but history teaches otherwise. How quickly we forgot the "funny 90s", when criminals ruled, and the country almost collapsed and literally five minutes remained before the civil war. I do not want to go back there, and in the event of global chaos, after the fall of the United States, all this can return on a much larger scale.
    Secondly, in order to calmly and joyfully observe this process from the outside (for example, from Russia), you must have at least three conditions:
    1. The national currency is completely independent of other currencies.
    2. A powerful national economy + industry + agriculture, minimally dependent on world markets. Ideally, they are not dependent at all.
    3. A powerful, combat-ready and modern army, ready at any time to strike at any point on the planet using any type of weapon, including nuclear weapons.
    Unfortunately, all three points at the moment in Russia are not fulfilled and will not be fulfilled in the next five years at least.
    So I propose to slightly reduce the degree of joy on this occasion and look at the situation from a more realistic angle. The US has already predicted the fall many times, but so far it is standing still (unfortunately). Let's see what will happen next.
  41. lex fim
    lex fim 8 November 2013 10: 34
    0
    hi Everything never goes smoothly. And there will be no one to compete with the "peacekeepers" for a long time.
  42. negeroi
    negeroi 8 November 2013 11: 41
    0
    Shaw, the grave diggers gathered, the corpse sets the next record in the hundred-meter race, and the grave diggers decided to tell about what kind of a jogger this record runner is, and how quickly and good to bury him? No?
  43. Sigismund
    Sigismund 8 November 2013 12: 14
    +1
    It's not that simple. The United States and the "comrades" behind them can be compared to a cancerous tumor, in the body of the world economy and not only. The body will sooner die. In the form of treatment, they use intensive therapy, war. In two cases, the world wars "rolled". to set fire to everything and everyone. The only thing, "a bucket of cold water" on their heads, the level of weapons in the world. They will no longer sit out overseas. But the "guys" are masters, the world community can expect from these "entertainers" of Trouble. There is only one consolation. alive, will be pulled out of their bunkers, not only performers, but also customers. And then they will cut out the last generation. If this happens, no one can stop the remnants of humanity in a fair square.
  44. I think so
    I think so 8 November 2013 16: 21
    +1
    Unfortunately, the bravura of the article was not supported by serious realities ... Well, what is it that somehow Ppakistan has closed the transit of goods or the Pentagon will cut the budget by a dozen or another billions or some sort of Snudin will blur something out ... These are such trifles, but the point is what the United States now (at this very current moment) are
    1. The most armed country.
    2. The most powerful economy in the world.
    3. They own the most advanced technology in all areas.
    4. They are the owners of the global reserve currency.
    5. All economically large states are tied to their market.
    And this has not gone away, and will not go away ... which means the article’s bravura is only for the fun of the mentally distant public ... and no more ...
  45. akm8226
    akm8226 8 November 2013 16: 57
    +2
    God save Putin!
  46. homosum20
    homosum20 8 November 2013 17: 24
    +1
    The arrogance of this gopota, such as Pakistan, Israel and the like, is surprising. They are so accustomed to jackal under the protection of amers that they have already begun to threaten the owners. They are so forgotten that there is not even an understanding that they themselves are worthless. And they reminded the Uses that jackals are not allies. They can only eat the remains of the prey of the real predator, which were and are the United States.
    What we must not forget. Underestimating the enemy can cost a lot.
  47. vuvarovskiy
    vuvarovskiy 8 November 2013 18: 39
    0
    Time will tell how, where and where someone will be on the sidelines of History! But underestimating the enemy can really cost a lot and therefore gunpowder must be kept dry !!!
  48. Boris63
    Boris63 8 November 2013 19: 05
    0
    There is a beginning - there will be an end. The Yankees, lately have thought too much of themselves and have forgotten that money must be printed wisely. And they began to "fuck" their production back in the 70s, replacing jobs in the service sector. So they will serve everyone with such a "maker".
  49. Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 8 November 2013 23: 14
    +2
    Quote: Backfire
    Here the pictures are iconic, but these are pictures from the life of the USSR.
    What does the current Resource Federation have to do with the USSR?
    This is all in the past, and here is your present:

    Yeah, fantasize ... The most direct relationship. This is our present. good And yours, by the way, too. laughing